That would have been interesting. I love these two characters! I felt like they were very much there for Rory in a way that could have been explored more. Also, I read a theory that the "HAVE WE MET YET?" is a running inside joke Finn is establishing like negging or a test to see how well she takes his sense of humour.
Collin and Finn know their lives are planned out. Finn is rich and depressed. That’s why he takes such big risks. Collin takes digs at Marty because he jealous. He feels Marty is too beneath him so instead of jealously. We see Collin the jerk. Louise and Madeline were girls breed for men like those guys. Louise would date Fin. Her sex appeal will keep him present enough. While allowing him to still live in his fantasy of being indestructible. Madeline would be with Collin. She wouldn’t be offend by his rude behavior like she doesn’t notice Paris. He will have plenty of money for her to spend. Perfect match
Yass! I have been saying that forever 😂 both Louise and Madeline would be great with Finn and Colin because they are the male equivalent of them or because they fit one another in those ways. Perfectly said 👍🏻
I'm good friends with Alan Loayza the actor who plays Colin & honestly he is so beyond underfated as an actor and is a FANTASTIC human irl. He deserves so much success and a much bigger platform. I'm SO happy more people are acknowledging just how talented and generous of a performer he is!
I love this comment so much. Alan Loayza did a fantastic job in that role. I think he played the dry humor really well. I'm also really happy that we got to see his dramatic side when his character had to put on a performance in the Yale classroom. To me, it was clear that he has a huge range as an actor, even though we don't get to see all of it in his role as Colin.
I think Colin's noticing of Rory's emotions/ or silence, to me speaks also to hyper vigilance. Understanding the change in tone in the words not spoken is also indicative that maybe he had to do that at home all the time too. And perhaps that quick jump to cruelty that we see with Marty is something thats a learned behavior too? Or if it's just Marty maybe something about him reminds him of someone he also dislike...like a parent?
Love this comment! That is such an interesting observation! I could see that, and it would make sense within my head canon. It would make sense that Colin is quick to pick up on the fact that Rory and Logan are fighting because he has been exposed to relationship fights growing up and so he is astutely aware of them and notices them quickly.
i always thought finn liked Rory hence him pretending he didnt notice her.. but he stepped off since she was his Friends girl but Finn and Rory had a special bond out of all Logans friends.
😄That just feels like the most logical conclusion. Here is this beautiful woman from the Netherlands, who allegedly doesn't speak English, who is desperately clinging to Colin, a guy who we see often strike out with women. It makes me want to build a backstory for her.
I wholeheartedly agree, as someone who married into a Dutch family, English is taught as a subject in school and no Dutch person I’ve met can’t speak English. She’s totally trolling.
Thank you! Finn was really fun, I wasn't going to make a video on them but I kept getting distracted by Finn when I was trying to do a video on another topic. I have so many unfinished projects because of this problem, I keep finding characters along the way.
I think Colin’s direct disrespect and blatantly unkindness to Marty has nothing to do with any bad blood, but more so he does this because he is incredibly insecure among his group of friends. All of them have wealth & love to party. Logan is incredibly charming & Finn is charismatic, if push came to shove the others could survive on other characteristics but Colin doesn’t bring anything new so he wants to pretend he belongs by being the “fun” prank guy. Marty is an easy target to bully based on classism .
“I’m not saying that Colin is a baby monkey” LMAO. another banger video, I love that exploring of the pairings between them and Madeline and Louise. they would all be hilarious in a scene together
Collin may also be like Sirius Black from HP; Sirius also had a HORRIBLE home life (for entirely different reasons, grated), but Sirius also came from a pretty wealthy family, BUT liked to spend more time @ school & with his BF, James, @ his house, over the summers than with his own family. It's actually VERY sad . . . Also Harry Potter (although I admit Harry's situation is another case entirely, too), as well . . . 🤔
But why couldn’t Colin and Finn be together? They read as 2 people in denial of their own sexuality. This was a show where clearly coded gay characters couldn’t be called gay until the reboot that we do not talk of. They try so hard with the ladies, because they are ether gay or bi and haven’t faced it, or inlove with each other regardless. I’m all for men being more gentle with each other with out it meaning ‘gay’.. but look at every single scene - they are touching, both choosing connection with the other. It’s more intimate. I read it as gay-bi in denial coded from the first watch through as a teen myself when it first aired.
And they seemed completely comfortable with the idea of pretending to be a gay couple who adopts Logan in order to get family access at the hospital, even if it was a joke. Plus they also added in a line that said they knew about the plight of gay couples when it comes to adopting children. Idk, but I def think that they seem to be the type of friends to have a marriage pact where by a specific age if they are not married, they'd be absolutely fine being with each other.
As a Dutch person, trust me, most (if not all) people speak some sort of English. Elderly are a bit less experienced with it but even most of them can get their point across in English. Especially younger people here speak good English and we even are the best speaking European English country!
Ty for highlighting that the Dutch girl not speaking English is weird. English has been a mandatory subject at middle and high school for over 25 years, probably much longer. With our big port en international relations, it really is a requirement.
I've been waiting for someone from the Netherlands to add their take on this! Thank you! I was so confused by that scene. It almost feels like they purposefully picked the country that is the most fluent to make the situation more absurd. This is why I started to think that the girl was trolling.
@@PensiveWhiskers ah ty for your reply. I'm not sure if she was trolling but I have always felt weird with that scene and ignored that they said she is from the Netherlands. Ty for making those videos about gilmore girls. I loved the show when growing up and as an adult... till the point of the new short series.. that broke the magic the old series had.
I personally always thought Finn had alcohol problems. I genuinely think he forgot meeting Rory every time because he'd had *that* much alcohol and blacking out/severe memory issues is a key indicator of being an alcoholic. Plus, almost every time he met Rory before that point he was holding a drink or drunk.
I would have enjoyed LOVED to see Logan, Colin and Finn spinoff or special and show them in their younger years before Yale. Maybe their boarding school days
Your points are interesting and good. I just cannot help but dislike these two though honestly. Other than at times being a good friend to Logan and Rory, I don’t think they have many redeeming qualities. My impression is that they are just elitist and mean as well as immature. However, you have good perspective and I like your videos because you actually dig into the side characters and make them make sense.
That's completely fair! I understand why people don't like these two. I thought they were fun to watch on screen, but I respect the fact that fans of the show are bothered by their behavior because the criticisms are valid.
@@PensiveWhiskers yes I appreciate your points too though! They were very well thought out and are also valid and makes me see them in a different way.
Option 1: Animals are not like us. They are not as intelligent, or capable of feelings. Therefore, you can' t find out about human behaviour, by abusing them. Option 2: Animals are not like us. They are not as intelligent, or capable of feelings. Therefore, it is OK, to abuse them. You can't have both. - But to many people, are trying to justify their behaviour, with option 3: Animals are like us. Therfore, it' s OK and even necessarry, to abuse them, in order to find out about human behaviour, but it' s not abuse, because they are not like us.
These were truly terrible experiments. Harlow's experiments with the monkeys were heavily criticized for being unnecessarily cruel and not meeting guidelines. I don't believe they would be allowed today (yet somehow, we still allow animal testing). I think the experiments that were conducted during this time were awful. This includes experiments on humans like what Milgram and Zimbardo did (although Harlow's experiments upset me more).
I think that would be my order too. Madeline and Louise, then Colin and Finn. Although I also really like Miss Patty and Babette. I think they are tied for second for me, primarily because Miss Patty and Babette also operate well as solo characters and they are not always a duo.
As a grown up boarding school kid and I can tell you that I didn’t miss my family. I did however miss my nanny. I think my toddler mind confused her as “parent”. So I can understand Colin in his youth even though I’m a woman
Have you seen The Life and Death Brigade video? I wanted to squeeze in Robert in my video on Colin and Finn but I didn't want to make it too long. The Life and Death Brigade video came out of my desire to talk about Robert. I took a bunch of notes on him and so I wanted to discuss him. Not that you have to watch the other video, he's just in one section.
So i just watched this entire video and I'm still not 100% sure i could tell you which one is Colin and which one is Finn. Definitely throughout the show i didn't have this problem with any other characters but for some reason i kinda just view them as a single entity instead of their own characters and i feel like they look similar enough that my brain can't handle actually telling them apart. It's fascinating learning from you how distinct their characters actually are and how carefully they are written to each have their own personalities. It's like somehow i missed it all, all along. I really hated them so much or something. I think recreational binge drinking culture bothers me but the show as a whole has a lot of it so I don't think that's really it. I know i really didn't like Rory/ Logan right when they were introduced and was rooting for her and Marty. I was so frustrated with how Marty was being treated and it was just hard for me to get over it. So idk. I think they were mildly amusing at times but mostly i just. I think they were the part of the show i always paid the least attention to for whatever reason. I really appreciate you pointing out so many things in this essay i never would've realized on my own. This is really giving me food for thought.
I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. I've never been to the Netherlands but from what I know, English proficiency is really high in that country.
@@PensiveWhiskers Yep.. not from there, but I visited recently, and one of our tour guides told us that everyone (every Dutch person) speaks English because nobody else speaks Dutch.
These guys were so obnoxious. Watching the college years really was painful. They should have ended season 3 on Rory's first day of college and started season 4 on her last day of college or graduation from college. So there would have been a 4 year time jump. But in hindsight, i think they could have done some really interesting things with the narrative. Wouldn't have had to be all linear. There would be so many questions that the audience wanted answers to.
I don't know why but I feel like Finn could be Pan and Colin Bi or Gay. They seem super close, nothing wrong with that but if you add that and their moods it could explain some things. Especially in the early 2000s and with snobbish families, they would have to hide it and maybe even hate themselves for it.
Whatever software is being using to generate from text the narrator's voice is pretty good but not good enough that I can't tell that's what's going on.
Are the subtitles not good enough to convert the speech to text? I have been relying on UA-cam's automatic subtitles for the videos but I will work on generating my own subtitles so that it translates the narration directly. Thank you for the feedback!
OMG, I think I just realized that what this comment might be referring to is the idea that the video uses an AI voice. So that's embarrassingly my actual voice. I just don't do a great job of narrating.
Colin and Finn are the male equivalent of Madeline and Louise. I wish the four characters had met in the show...
Oh my God, that would have been amazing!
It would have been amazingggg or let us down the way “Year In The Life Of” did for most
That would have been interesting. I love these two characters! I felt like they were very much there for Rory in a way that could have been explored more.
Also, I read a theory that the "HAVE WE MET YET?" is a running inside joke Finn is establishing like negging or a test to see how well she takes his sense of humour.
I love the idea of putting Colin and Madelyn together and Finn and Louise together.
would love an Expansion of that idea
I always thought of Finn as a rock star without a band. I also kind of think ASP has a bit of a crush on him.
asp??
I think Laura is referring to the showrunner, Amy Sherman-Palladino.
Don't we all? He's gorgeous
Collin and Finn know their lives are planned out. Finn is rich and depressed. That’s why he takes such big risks. Collin takes digs at Marty because he jealous. He feels Marty is too beneath him so instead of jealously. We see Collin the jerk. Louise and Madeline were girls breed for men like those guys. Louise would date Fin. Her sex appeal will keep him present enough. While allowing him to still live in his fantasy of being indestructible. Madeline would be with Collin. She wouldn’t be offend by his rude behavior like she doesn’t notice Paris. He will have plenty of money for her to spend. Perfect match
Yass! I have been saying that forever 😂 both Louise and Madeline would be great with Finn and Colin because they are the male equivalent of them or because they fit one another in those ways. Perfectly said 👍🏻
I'm good friends with Alan Loayza the actor who plays Colin & honestly he is so beyond underfated as an actor and is a FANTASTIC human irl. He deserves so much success and a much bigger platform. I'm SO happy more people are acknowledging just how talented and generous of a performer he is!
I love this comment so much. Alan Loayza did a fantastic job in that role. I think he played the dry humor really well. I'm also really happy that we got to see his dramatic side when his character had to put on a performance in the Yale classroom. To me, it was clear that he has a huge range as an actor, even though we don't get to see all of it in his role as Colin.
I think Colin's noticing of Rory's emotions/ or silence, to me speaks also to hyper vigilance. Understanding the change in tone in the words not spoken is also indicative that maybe he had to do that at home all the time too. And perhaps that quick jump to cruelty that we see with Marty is something thats a learned behavior too? Or if it's just Marty maybe something about him reminds him of someone he also dislike...like a parent?
Love this comment! That is such an interesting observation! I could see that, and it would make sense within my head canon. It would make sense that Colin is quick to pick up on the fact that Rory and Logan are fighting because he has been exposed to relationship fights growing up and so he is astutely aware of them and notices them quickly.
i always thought finn liked Rory hence him pretending he didnt notice her.. but he stepped off since she was his Friends girl but Finn and Rory had a special bond out of all Logans friends.
ok the trolling dutch girl theory really made me laugh
😄That just feels like the most logical conclusion. Here is this beautiful woman from the Netherlands, who allegedly doesn't speak English, who is desperately clinging to Colin, a guy who we see often strike out with women. It makes me want to build a backstory for her.
I wholeheartedly agree, as someone who married into a Dutch family, English is taught as a subject in school and no Dutch person I’ve met can’t speak English. She’s totally trolling.
I love these deep dives that you do. I always felt Finn was hilarious.
Thank you! Finn was really fun, I wasn't going to make a video on them but I kept getting distracted by Finn when I was trying to do a video on another topic. I have so many unfinished projects because of this problem, I keep finding characters along the way.
I think Colin’s direct disrespect and blatantly unkindness to Marty has nothing to do with any bad blood, but more so he does this because he is incredibly insecure among his group of friends. All of them have wealth & love to party. Logan is incredibly charming & Finn is charismatic, if push came to shove the others could survive on other characteristics but Colin doesn’t bring anything new so he wants to pretend he belongs by being the “fun” prank guy. Marty is an easy target to bully based on classism .
“I’m not saying that Colin is a baby monkey” LMAO. another banger video, I love that exploring of the pairings between them and Madeline and Louise. they would all be hilarious in a scene together
Collin may also be like Sirius Black from HP; Sirius also had a HORRIBLE home life (for entirely different reasons, grated), but Sirius also came from a pretty wealthy family, BUT liked to spend more time @ school & with his BF, James, @ his house, over the summers than with his own family. It's actually VERY sad . . . Also Harry Potter (although I admit Harry's situation is another case entirely, too), as well . . . 🤔
I’m not a huge fan of the later season of Gilmore Girls, but after watching this video I feel way more attached to Collin and Fin.
I think Finn is just forgetful because he’s always drunk or possibly on recreational drugs.
I think that’s the most likely answer for his demeanor.
Yeah he just seemed to be constantly drunk and/high lol. But I loved his character despite that 😊
Same, he was just so much fun to watch, I would have liked to have him as a friend in college, I would just not let him plan anything.
I too would love to see Finn reenact The Passion of the Christ
I love Finn. He is my favourite of the two
Ok, didn't expect the behavioural psychology lesson 😂 but thanks though! Great video!
Lol, I know it kind of came out of nowhere, I couldn't figure out a different way to express my thoughts on that point. 😆
But why couldn’t Colin and Finn be together? They read as 2 people in denial of their own sexuality. This was a show where clearly coded gay characters couldn’t be called gay until the reboot that we do not talk of. They try so hard with the ladies, because they are ether gay or bi and haven’t faced it, or inlove with each other regardless. I’m all for men being more gentle with each other with out it meaning ‘gay’.. but look at every single scene - they are touching, both choosing connection with the other. It’s more intimate. I read it as gay-bi in denial coded from the first watch through as a teen myself when it first aired.
They never had actual gay characters though. Boys like Colin and Finn are homophobic too
And they seemed completely comfortable with the idea of pretending to be a gay couple who adopts Logan in order to get family access at the hospital, even if it was a joke. Plus they also added in a line that said they knew about the plight of gay couples when it comes to adopting children. Idk, but I def think that they seem to be the type of friends to have a marriage pact where by a specific age if they are not married, they'd be absolutely fine being with each other.
I loved how you described them both. It fits in my head so well. Well done. I subbed you I love this.
As a Dutch person, trust me, most (if not all) people speak some sort of English. Elderly are a bit less experienced with it but even most of them can get their point across in English. Especially younger people here speak good English and we even are the best speaking European English country!
As an Australian the sun is terrible at 4pm in Australia so I can agree with Finn.
Hahahaha, I never considered that. It makes me view Finn in a different way.
I head canon the girl was trolling Colin in the same way Sven was trolling Cordelia Chase.
Ty for highlighting that the Dutch girl not speaking English is weird. English has been a mandatory subject at middle and high school for over 25 years, probably much longer.
With our big port en international relations, it really is a requirement.
I've been waiting for someone from the Netherlands to add their take on this! Thank you! I was so confused by that scene. It almost feels like they purposefully picked the country that is the most fluent to make the situation more absurd. This is why I started to think that the girl was trolling.
@@PensiveWhiskers ah ty for your reply. I'm not sure if she was trolling but I have always felt weird with that scene and ignored that they said she is from the Netherlands.
Ty for making those videos about gilmore girls. I loved the show when growing up and as an adult... till the point of the new short series.. that broke the magic the old series had.
Colin and Finn remind me of an old vaudeville duo
They are indeed.
I personally always thought Finn had alcohol problems. I genuinely think he forgot meeting Rory every time because he'd had *that* much alcohol and blacking out/severe memory issues is a key indicator of being an alcoholic. Plus, almost every time he met Rory before that point he was holding a drink or drunk.
I would have enjoyed LOVED to see Logan, Colin and Finn spinoff or special and show them in their younger years before Yale. Maybe their boarding school days
you have just turned two obsolete side characters into characters with amazing character development for me
I’m glad I was able to add some depth! That’s what I really enjoy doing with small characters. 🙂
Has anyone considered that Colin might just have autism? With the very clear lack of parental attention growing up it could easily have been missed.
Your points are interesting and good. I just cannot help but dislike these two though honestly. Other than at times being a good friend to Logan and Rory, I don’t think they have many redeeming qualities. My impression is that they are just elitist and mean as well as immature. However, you have good perspective and I like your videos because you actually dig into the side characters and make them make sense.
That's completely fair! I understand why people don't like these two. I thought they were fun to watch on screen, but I respect the fact that fans of the show are bothered by their behavior because the criticisms are valid.
@@PensiveWhiskers yes I appreciate your points too though! They were very well thought out and are also valid and makes me see them in a different way.
Option 1: Animals are not like us. They are not as intelligent, or capable of feelings. Therefore, you can' t find out about human behaviour, by abusing them.
Option 2: Animals are not like us. They are not as intelligent, or capable of feelings. Therefore, it is OK, to abuse them.
You can't have both. - But to many people, are trying to justify their behaviour, with
option 3: Animals are like us. Therfore, it' s OK and even necessarry, to abuse them, in order to find out about human behaviour, but it' s not abuse, because they are not like us.
These were truly terrible experiments. Harlow's experiments with the monkeys were heavily criticized for being unnecessarily cruel and not meeting guidelines. I don't believe they would be allowed today (yet somehow, we still allow animal testing). I think the experiments that were conducted during this time were awful. This includes experiments on humans like what Milgram and Zimbardo did (although Harlow's experiments upset me more).
i love colin and finn so much theyre def my second fav duo because nothing beats madeline and louise
I think that would be my order too. Madeline and Louise, then Colin and Finn. Although I also really like Miss Patty and Babette. I think they are tied for second for me, primarily because Miss Patty and Babette also operate well as solo characters and they are not always a duo.
I would pay to see a Madeline and Finn spinoff
As a grown up boarding school kid and I can tell you that I didn’t miss my family. I did however miss my nanny. I think my toddler mind confused her as “parent”. So I can understand Colin in his youth even though I’m a woman
Commenting before watching,
ROBERT never got a chance. Better than Colin and Fin combined.
Have you seen The Life and Death Brigade video? I wanted to squeeze in Robert in my video on Colin and Finn but I didn't want to make it too long. The Life and Death Brigade video came out of my desire to talk about Robert. I took a bunch of notes on him and so I wanted to discuss him. Not that you have to watch the other video, he's just in one section.
@@PensiveWhiskers I'll definitely watch it. My favorite Robert line is:
"I'll never be able to refold these."
So i just watched this entire video and I'm still not 100% sure i could tell you which one is Colin and which one is Finn. Definitely throughout the show i didn't have this problem with any other characters but for some reason i kinda just view them as a single entity instead of their own characters and i feel like they look similar enough that my brain can't handle actually telling them apart. It's fascinating learning from you how distinct their characters actually are and how carefully they are written to each have their own personalities. It's like somehow i missed it all, all along. I really hated them so much or something. I think recreational binge drinking culture bothers me but the show as a whole has a lot of it so I don't think that's really it. I know i really didn't like Rory/ Logan right when they were introduced and was rooting for her and Marty. I was so frustrated with how Marty was being treated and it was just hard for me to get over it. So idk. I think they were mildly amusing at times but mostly i just. I think they were the part of the show i always paid the least attention to for whatever reason. I really appreciate you pointing out so many things in this essay i never would've realized on my own. This is really giving me food for thought.
Again a really good one, thank you :)
They also move Rory in with Logan, or at least logan says hes going to send thwm over when paris kicks her out
I live in the Netherlands and pretty much every single person here is fluent in English😂 (Maybe apart from people over the age of 65).
I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. I've never been to the Netherlands but from what I know, English proficiency is really high in that country.
@@PensiveWhiskers Yep.. not from there, but I visited recently, and one of our tour guides told us that everyone (every Dutch person) speaks English because nobody else speaks Dutch.
This was wonderful
Thank you! I'm really happy you liked it :)
I actually liked Marty... he was the complete package
Once i saw a documentary about jfk and his friends of harvard and i thougt in logan colin and finn
9:25 the legally blonde reference 😭💗
Hahaha, yes, I should have thrown in a clip of Elle Woods into that scene. 😆
Really loved this video !!
That was next level 😅
These guys were so obnoxious. Watching the college years really was painful. They should have ended season 3 on Rory's first day of college and started season 4 on her last day of college or graduation from college. So there would have been a 4 year time jump. But in hindsight, i think they could have done some really interesting things with the narrative. Wouldn't have had to be all linear. There would be so many questions that the audience wanted answers to.
I loved that one tree hill just skipped the college years, best decision ever 😊
@@MsPandachenyep that was a smart choice
I don't know why but I feel like Finn could be Pan and Colin Bi or Gay. They seem super close, nothing wrong with that but if you add that and their moods it could explain some things. Especially in the early 2000s and with snobbish families, they would have to hide it and maybe even hate themselves for it.
Who are they?
I like to think that Colin had a crush on Marty but Marty turned him down and now hes butthurt about it
Whatever software is being using to generate from text the narrator's voice is pretty good but not good enough that I can't tell that's what's going on.
Are the subtitles not good enough to convert the speech to text? I have been relying on UA-cam's automatic subtitles for the videos but I will work on generating my own subtitles so that it translates the narration directly. Thank you for the feedback!
My head canon is that Finn and Colin are in love and a couple by the year in a life series
OMG, I think I just realized that what this comment might be referring to is the idea that the video uses an AI voice. So that's embarrassingly my actual voice. I just don't do a great job of narrating.
You are missing the obvious option. Today, Colin and Fynn would be a couple. And a highly functional and loving one at that.
Oh come on, not every close male relationship needs to be thought of as gay
Colin and Finn are so annoying, I never enjoyed them.
I've watched all of your gilmore girls videos now, I would love to see more!