Episode 12: Bob Dylan, JFK, and the Poignancy of "Murder Most Foul"

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  • Опубліковано 26 бер 2020
  • Bob Dylan just dropped his first new song in eight years. It's about the assassination of President Kennedy. Good fodder for a historian. Even better fodder for a podcast.

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  • @adrianlee3497
    @adrianlee3497 4 роки тому +35

    It's somber, pensive, reflective and it's a masterpiece and it's no coincidence that Bob's dropped this song at this point in time. Just saying.

    • @worksupermodel
      @worksupermodel Рік тому +1

      He dropped it the day after the lockdown, like a message.

  • @dianetyler5343
    @dianetyler5343 4 роки тому +12

    I've listened to it a dozen times. It's BEAUTIFUL I think it's his best. Class all the way. His voice even sounds good.. the music arrangement is perfect. I love it

    • @Espina907
      @Espina907 3 роки тому

      😭

    • @mikedag1176
      @mikedag1176 2 роки тому +1

      Yes,his voice is crisp, vibrant, in tune,.Bob is a blessing.

  • @47RozUFO
    @47RozUFO 4 роки тому +11

    Elizabeth McAfee Pat and I just spent over 17 minutes listening to "Murder Most Foul"--this astounding song will immediately jump up near the top of Dylan's best and most evocative work. We then commented that it will bring out the explicators in droves. We listened to one commentary from a man outdoors in Eastern Europe and then clicked onto this one. From the minute this man started talking, something made me reach for my copy of The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe. The book was open in my lap when the generational diagram from this very book appeared in this video. COLD CHILLS! Yes indeed, Something is Happening Here! Reminds me of the lyric from "Ballad of a Thin Man:
    "You try so hard but you don't understand
    Just what you will say when you get home
    Because something is happening here but you don't know what it is
    Do you, Mr. Jones?"

    • @generationreport
      @generationreport  4 роки тому +1

      That's one of my favorites. He and his band really knocked it out of the park the first time I saw him live. More power chords than the album.

    • @adrianlee3497
      @adrianlee3497 4 роки тому +2

      And it just became his first no.1 hit song. He definitely dropped this for a reason.

    • @generationreport
      @generationreport  4 роки тому

      Wow

  • @artsanchez9122
    @artsanchez9122 4 роки тому +3

    Good to hear and consider...love the 'cut' and the sentiments expressed. Bob be amazing...

  • @bunkyzirkus
    @bunkyzirkus 4 роки тому +8

    After viewing this thoughtful “review”, I checked out your webpage. Generalizations about generations generate chuckles among geriatrics, like myself. By some twist of fate, I got to be there, right up front, when young Bob and Joan sang to us at the March on Washington, as pictured in your brilliant video. Murder Most Foul takes me on a melancholy stroll down memory lane, but more like a haunting life review than a walk in the park. Sadly hardened at 73, I am not easily moved, but this song reminds me of my own mortality in a bittersweet way. I will definitely explore your work, further. Well done!

    • @generationreport
      @generationreport  4 роки тому +5

      Well thank you. I had an uncle who recently passed away who was at Woodstock as a teenager. At 18, 19, 20, my friends and I all wished we had been there too, even if it went unexpressed. Problem is, we're Millennials. Coming of age in 2008 was a world apart from coming of age with Woodstock, just as coming of age with Woodstock was a world apart from coming of age with the New Deal.
      More to the point, being a teenager in 2000 was a world apart from being a teenager in 1963, just as being a teenager in 1963 was a world apart from being a teenager in 1933. That's how generations work. People born at different times in history are, fundamentally, different...and they shape history differently as a result.

    • @robertobrian1993
      @robertobrian1993 4 роки тому +1

      @@generationreport , very thoughtful post.

    • @admiralbillom7559
      @admiralbillom7559 4 роки тому +1

      same here man, same age too!

  • @danielsemmens6640
    @danielsemmens6640 4 роки тому +9

    Actually JFK was speaking like Dylan slightly out of the box

  • @tarivardamir
    @tarivardamir 3 роки тому

    Thanks very much for your channel.

    • @generationreport
      @generationreport  3 роки тому

      My pleasure. Subscribe...there's plenty more to come!

  • @loveforceinternationalpubl8147
    @loveforceinternationalpubl8147 4 роки тому +2

    This is a very good and interesting analysis.

    • @mikedag1176
      @mikedag1176 2 роки тому

      Very insightful especially JFK's undelivered speech!!!

  • @randal_gibbons
    @randal_gibbons 4 роки тому +3

    I love the comment Dylan posted when he uploaded this song. Part of it read, "I think you'll find it interesting".
    The song has undoubtedly has meaning to him, yet he wants each of us to derive what it means to us as individuals.

    • @mikedag1176
      @mikedag1176 2 роки тому

      To me, this song reminds me of CATASTROPHIC LOSS... Tragedy compounded... Incalculable as to what was STOLEN FROM AMERICA BY EVIL MEN.

  • @admiralbillom7559
    @admiralbillom7559 4 роки тому +1

    interesting presentation - thanks. in one of his versions of dignity, dylan refers to the "soul of a nation being under the knife, death is standing in the doorway of life" karuna!

  • @hazelhouse1
    @hazelhouse1 4 роки тому +5

    "Darkness and death will come when it comes" God help us.

  • @bethsimmonds6320
    @bethsimmonds6320 4 роки тому +3

    Come on people, it’s just a song. A very brilliant and damned good tune. Thought provoking to say the least.

    • @tool_fighter
      @tool_fighter 4 роки тому +2

      And the Beatles wrote "just" songs. But they changed the world.

  • @WEBALON12
    @WEBALON12 3 роки тому +9

    I am sorry but when you say that this song is about the “assassination” of JFK, that word “assassination” brings up imagery of a lone gunman, Oswald, shooting JFK. To the contrary Dylan does not use the word “assassination”. Rather, he uses the term murder, and refers several times to the murderers as THEY (not him), and that THEY shot the President down “like a dog in broad daylight.” That is murder Most Foul, not assassination.

  • @dcrelief
    @dcrelief 2 місяці тому

    Exceptional song for expedient thoughts and deeds.

  • @blackcrow7049
    @blackcrow7049 4 роки тому +2

    A real Dylan fan has any interest about JFK's murder . The only thing that have interest for a Dylan fan is the same Dylan . Murder Most Foul is , as Dylan says , A GIFT to all his fans . Nothing more and nothing less . JFK's murder is the paper which Dylan wraps this gift , full of references , quotes , places , names , films and songs ... some of them are clearly described , but most of them are hidden with doublé meanings and metaphors . Dylan DON'T TRY resolving who or why JFK was murdered , he only is a storyteller but with his point of view as always did . All the lyrics are subordinated to give all the fans those references that Dylan enjoyed thuru the years since his very first recording , even before . Dylan himself writes that you must take a pencil to write under the words to try not to forget all about . But Dylan geniality goes on because , as JFK's unsolved murder , Dylan's influences remains unsolved even if you find everyone in this song . A genius like Dylan have a lot of influences thru the years . You cannot say '' Yes , now I've discovered all the secrets about Dylan and his songs '' . Sure you can't . Nobody can't do it .

  • @SuperMikelondon
    @SuperMikelondon 5 місяців тому

    Wonderful.

  • @guitarplayerdonald7546
    @guitarplayerdonald7546 4 роки тому

    JOAN BAEZ also helped encourage Bob Dylan to write and sing those songs of the 1960's. 🎼🎵🎶

    • @mikedag1176
      @mikedag1176 2 роки тому

      I love Jones voice, spirit.

  • @gavinreid2741
    @gavinreid2741 2 роки тому +1

    In an award acceptance speech in December 1963 Dylan said he sympathised with Lee Harvey Oswald.

  • @marytorres4843
    @marytorres4843 3 роки тому +2

    Mr.dylan like no other!! A genius!!

  • @vincentbrannelly8786
    @vincentbrannelly8786 3 роки тому +1

    When did murder most foul drop ?

    • @generationreport
      @generationreport  3 роки тому

      It dropped overnight less than 24 hours before I recorded this.

  • @nwofoe2866
    @nwofoe2866 4 роки тому +4

    I'll tell you why he released it - President Trump used the 56th anniversary of President Kennedy's assassination - last November 22nd - to award intelligence community actor Jon Voight for his film roles, including his role as a treasonous NSA official who was born on September 11th, in the 1998 "Enemy Of The State" (following the award, Voight danced a jig in front of the White House audience). The 911 scene is to be found in the original uncut version at 1:54:29. Some of you may find the following link from a discussion forum particularly interesting and relevant, if you have the time - www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4137935/pg1 You are going to have to get your heads around the fact that major media figures are co-opted into the intelligence community's operations. A former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency was about to make this known - and did make some preliminary public statement - when he was found floating in the Potomac River. There are some highly relevant additional facts to be presented here, for the patient and the dedicated.

    • @thedudeabides3930
      @thedudeabides3930 4 роки тому +1

      What evidence is there that William Colby was "about to make known [the fact that major media figures are co-opted into the intelligence community's operations]?"

    • @nwofoe2866
      @nwofoe2866 4 роки тому +2

      @@thedudeabides3930 all I'll say is that the evidence doesn't yet include my dead body. I was asked 45 years ago to work for the Agency.. What I CAN tell you from open-sources is that Senator Dianne Feinstein disclosed this fully on the floor of the U.S. Senate at the end of August 2016. She called for an investigation but was quickly sidelined when it was discovered that her limo driver was a Chinese spy, and I saw the pic of her surrounded by a group of very tall men in a Senate antechamber at the time. I think Colby's indication of making the Mockingbird program public is better known as having contributed to his premature death.

    • @thedudeabides3930
      @thedudeabides3930 4 роки тому

      @@nwofoe2866 Okay, will check into it.

    • @nwofoe2866
      @nwofoe2866 4 роки тому +1

      @@thedudeabides3930 I can say that Senator Feinstein wasn't about to dismantle the program, but that the scope of her interest was that the collusive Government-entertainment industry program had become too transparent. But even that was stepping on toes that didn't want to be stepped upon. If there's something to be done, they take care of it themselves, you might say, and as "Enemy Of The State" producer Tony Scott found. A long way from the U.K. he was, on the Vincent Thomas bridge near one of the actual sites from which some of that film's themes were drawn.

  • @oojudg3oo
    @oojudg3oo 10 місяців тому

    That massive Q intelligence drop was about in it's 2nd year of amost daily posts on the anonymous Chan sites then. There is a JFK theme within the posts that had/has me believing that this Dylan track is related by subject and timing. And the length of the record. 17=Q The track is more precisely 16:59. Which i suspect that was deliberate, and that being 'cut short' by one second. Just as the Q Plan has many references to getting the world back on track, and 'Making America Great Again'. Ive notived the Q/JFK theme indicates that it is going to finish what JFK pursued. It was Peace. But he was 'cut short' as the track length is cut short by one second.
    But there is so much more.
    Interesting.

  • @williamcarr7347
    @williamcarr7347 Рік тому

    It sounds like this talks about everything else but the amazing lyrics, and their meaning in Dylan's song.

  • @chancethadood
    @chancethadood 4 роки тому

    how’d you avoid mentioning trump? this appears to me to be his most outright political song in a good 50 years

  • @mikemestas9835
    @mikemestas9835 Рік тому

    america is like TheChalkboardJungle and the artist is the teacher that puts herself/himself in harms way,,internal/external

  • @martincaspersen2727
    @martincaspersen2727 2 роки тому

    for en loke

  • @atwaterpub
    @atwaterpub 4 роки тому

    Why does the USA presently have more coronavirus cases than any other country on earth? Why is the mortality rate in the USA higher than average? (mortality rate= deaths/resolved cases)

    • @greypossum1
      @greypossum1 4 роки тому +3

      Because your president did practically nothing about it for two months while going on T.V stating it was a hoax and that it would just disappear. That's why you have more cases now than Spain, Italy and France combined.

    • @atwaterpub
      @atwaterpub 4 роки тому

      @@greypossum1 Thanks. I thought so... Too bad.

    • @gavinreid2741
      @gavinreid2741 2 роки тому

      Anti Vaccine Anti maskers

  • @hookywookywithmalarkyman704
    @hookywookywithmalarkyman704 2 роки тому

    There's Dylan & the late Leonard cohen ... how strange that both are jewish , i mean that in my most respectful tone.

    • @gavinreid2741
      @gavinreid2741 2 роки тому +1

      Dylan converted to Christianity and released several evangelical albums.

  • @BobMori
    @BobMori 4 роки тому

    Music Video - Murder Most Foul - ua-cam.com/video/lBFeocjkRIk/v-deo.html

  • @highlyedited4010
    @highlyedited4010 3 роки тому +2

    17 years no releases, 17 minutes long, 17th letter of the alphabet Q There are no coincident. QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

    • @JD43232
      @JD43232 3 роки тому

      I know!!!!

    • @gavinreid2741
      @gavinreid2741 2 роки тому

      It's is not 17 minutes long. Dylans previous album was Triplicate , 2017.

  • @davidpaul5338
    @davidpaul5338 3 роки тому

    Fraud Most Foul

  • @jaddison1112
    @jaddison1112 4 роки тому

    I had just turned 13 just ten days before JFK was murdered. It my the beginning as a teenager, and the end of my innocent life as well. I have never been the same since. ... Paul Zimmy, I'm a historian too, this interpretation statement is wrong !

  • @jennifermyers66
    @jennifermyers66 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you cord Meyer for killing jfk

    • @davidpallin772
      @davidpallin772 Рік тому

      And 2years later you are still an asshole.

  • @dbmorton1114
    @dbmorton1114 4 роки тому +5

    Bob Dylan must be bemused by all the kooky interpretations of Murder Most Foul. It contains no secret messages or codes. He is not now, nor has he ever been, a prophet.

    • @robertobrian1993
      @robertobrian1993 4 роки тому

      Actually, he is. A prophet. That's obvious.

    • @dbmorton1114
      @dbmorton1114 4 роки тому +3

      @@robertobrian1993 Isn't a prophet supposed to project foward into the future? Seems to me with Murder Most Foul, Dylan is trying to fathom the present by looking at the past. Besides, he scoffs at such notions that he is a prophet, soothsayer, etc. in his own diaries. He calls himself an artist. We should take him at his word.

    • @j.k.asbill6131
      @j.k.asbill6131 4 роки тому +5

      @@dbmorton1114 in case you haven't figured out, the past and present are intriquitely connected. If you can't see that, you are oblivious to what this song is saying..and oblivious, in general, to how the world works. You are right that Dylan is no prophet..he doesn't need to be to know these things. Many of us who research already know the things Dylan is speaking of in the song.. if youv'e been living in a glass bubble, you won't get it at all. I am reminded of the quote "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" Dylan is telling us the same cabal that took out JFK is still alive and well, and are behind the current events. Get it? Don't need to be a phrophet..just awake and aware.

    • @dbmorton1114
      @dbmorton1114 4 роки тому

      @@j.k.asbill6131 Really? Robert O'Brian (above) says Dylan is a prophet. I don't agree and neither does Bob Dylan. Hence my reply. So yes some people do mistakenly believe and say that Dylan is a prophet.
      Glad you like the song. I do too. It's a good one, not one of Dylan's best, imo, but having lived through those times I find it very moving. But it's not a secret message for those 'in the know' or Q anon quacks or whatever. It's just a song.

    • @dbmorton1114
      @dbmorton1114 4 роки тому

      @@j.k.asbill6131 Nice post-editing job, Jill. Still a few typos though. You know spellcheckers are pretty user friendly these days. Give it another go.

  • @pmcclaren1
    @pmcclaren1 3 роки тому +1

    'age of the antichrist has just begun'---now in 2021 the devil's biggest weapon has been the increasing Biblical illeteracy. Recall in 1962 prayer was outlawed in public schools. We are in full judgment as the LORD gives over anyone to the wickedness they so choose.
    The LORD IS at the door. Make sure you 'know' without doubt you are going to heaven when you leave this earth (John 3.3, 33-34). Your place in eternity is the only thing that matters.

  • @bobl5335
    @bobl5335 3 роки тому

    GOD BLESS GEORGE FLOYD . . .

  • @JD43232
    @JD43232 3 роки тому +1

    Qanon!!!!!!

  • @surfwriter8461
    @surfwriter8461 11 місяців тому

    I disagree. "Murder Most Foul" is one of Dylan's most embarrassing compositions and a sign of his muse being out of the building. It's excessively long, leaden, undistinguished, lyrically lame, melodically void, and pretentious. The historical events are potent on their own, but he turns them into a cliche.

  • @robbhahn8897
    @robbhahn8897 2 роки тому

    More Dylan gibberish