Flats for life. After growing up skateboarding and surfing, I can't comprehend wanting to attach your feet like that. I actually also felt that the SPDs and Eggbeaters I've tried felt LESS secure than 5.10s and flats, because of the float in the cleats.
Flats. Even on my road bike! I was clipped in for 15+ years the whole time I rode in Jersey. Then due to my bitchin about sore feet and knees, Jeff Drobits wore me down and converted me to flats about 7 years ago. I will probably never go back to riding clipped in due to that foot and knee pain that happen during longer rides. With flats my feet never hurt (but me shins sometimes bleed) and I am only a little slower on climbs while on flats (and we regularly do 3000-4000 foot climbs out here). I tried riding clipped in for a while on my road bike but the foot pain came back after a few hours so I put flats on that too.
I'm sure clipless are much more efficient, however, I use flats. I can't wrap my head around binding myself to the bike. What if I have to hit the eject button? lol I know they are well built and they will release, but what if they don't'? I'm already a walking scar, I don't want to add yet another surgery to my list. I've been tempted to try them though.
Dude, that was a great video! I'm 43, just started riding full sus bike 2 years ago, and after about 20 years of riding clipless, I'm trying out flats. It's proving to be really difficult to get rid of old habits - lifting my foot up all the time. Thanks for the video, lots of good tips in there.
I think the biggest tip people miss is to get real pedals and shoes. Its amazing the difference that makes over tennis shoes and cheap pedals that come with bikes.
Great tips. I'll try them out. I agree about the control with clips. The thing I DO NOT like about them is that crashes are typically much more severe. With flats you simply take your feet off the pedal and use them to avoid falling over if you lose your balance.
Thanks for the great video and tips. I switched to flats this year after many years clipped and I feel much more relaxed riding technical terrain, I don't miss the clips one bit, ok on long climbs. Great riding by you I must add. Take care
New subscriber, love the videos! We are the same height, it's cool to see a big guy with your skills. I've been riding Shimano XT for some long, I decided to try some Oozy Trial Spanks flat pedals, mainly to improve bike skills (manuals, jumps ect). Your advise on flat pedal foot placement really helped me out a lot. I was riding on the ball of my foot and kept having to readjust my foot placement. Moving my foot forward really gave me more confidence on the flats. Thanks and look forward to more of your informative videos
I offer my 100% subjective analysis: Lenosky is in the 1% of mountain bikers who can clean stuff like this on flats. Then, I dunno, maybe 5-7% can possibly clean that kinda stuff riding clipless. The other 95% (I am in this group), wouldn't be able to do it either way no matter what pedals they have!
Some really good tips irrespective of the pedal discussion. Btw I rented the 2017 trance recently and loved the ride. The bike felt so good. Not sure why.
I am in the same situation. I have been using Step in ski bindings for 47 years and riding clipped in since Shimano introduced it’s first clipless pedal. I started road riding with old fashioned toe clips and straps. Used a road shoe with a cleat that had a notch that fit into the back of the pedal. You had a strap that locked you in so you could pull up. Twisting out of a SPD Shimano with a multi release SH56 M cleat is so easy. I ride Mt. Bike XC and trails with clipless pedals about 100 days a season. There is no right or wrong it is what works for you. Yes I have fallen while clipped in but I have cleaned technical sections clipped in because it gives me more momentum when I pull up on every stroke. I have a pair of nice flats (10 pins on each side) that I use to practice track stands and other fall over moves. Tried them for trail rides but didn’t have the same confidence . It all in the feel of being connected to the bike.
The SH56 is fun, but it doesn't give me total confidence that I won't pop out accidentally-- which happened twice while riding yesterday. Prefer my old toe clips/straps :)
Dallas Texas, Northshore trail(Lake Grapevine) is my main ride. Nothing compared to the video, but we have our techy stuff as well. Just started this channel, first video will be up this weekend with my many fails on said Nemesis-tech. Thanks for posting such useful info, really helping me overcome some obstacles.
Fantastic and entertaining video. Couple of questions: what is the brand of trip tracker on your handlebars, and what is the length of your dropper post, 125 or 150? Keep up the good work.
Great insights on so many aspects, Jeff! I've been quite interested in practicing the Punch, but I'm scared of bashing my chainring into the obstacle. Do you have any suggestions on what kind/size of obstacle I should try to learn this on? Thank you for sharing.
+1 for bash guard...but if you have an old 3x9 bike you could use the largest/outer most chain ring as a bash guard, that's what I do since I never use it anyway lol. I guess a good tip would be to learn how to 'scoop' your rear wheel up higher, and start by trying to get over a normal road curb without hitting your rear wheel.
Thank you for the helpful suggestions, Don Christie and Dukdude. Considering the feedback, I can see that my post wasn't understood regarding what I really wanted. I'm more interested on the question regarding the obstacle and not so much on the statement regarding the chainring. I'd imagine that using a rock with a not so rough transition from vertical to horizontal would help, and a bench would be a greater risk both for the chainring and less surface to bail to if it goes wrong. Have a great day!
If you want a square edge practice on something wood, that way you won't smash your chainring. Size won't really matter, if you do it on a log, usually the larger the better since it will be larger than your wheelbase and you'll be less likely to hit your chainring too.
Jeff, how tight do you make your pedals when running SPD's? I want to be able to cross up on jumps and pushing out on the pedals makes me come out, trying to find the balance point of firm clip but still able to get out if needed.
My riding partner's coach told her to lift the back end of the bike with her clipped pedals when going over obstacles. This just seems so wrong but - is this OK and what most clipped riders do?
I just tried to change to flat pedals after clips for 27 years and so far, im not having any luck with them. My feet keep bouncing off the pedals in chunky terrain, and the need to pull up on pedals while climbing technical terrain is too much. How do you handle that?
That's a really long time to develop habits. My suggestion is riding them at a pump track first or easier rides once a week to ease into it. I had a good friend who kept trying to jump in feet first and ride all the usual terrain and kept getting frustrated. This year she rode the pump track a lot, then some trails, then harder trails and now she's killing it!
Thanks for the tips, i wanted to know if you can do a tutorial for rear wheel hop with a mountain bike, i can barely go to the position and do one hop and that's it :/
Well that was a timely video Jeff! Thanks. I just got a new bike, ironically a giant trance, and was wondering what pedal direction go in. I’ve ridden both clipless and flats and am leaning towards flats again! Just curious as to what flat pedals you use?
I have no psychological need to make things sketchier by having my feet attached to pedals. You could clip your hands in as well if you want that "extra committed" feeling.
Chip Mcdonald that's riding "death grip" finders off the brakes. It makes things way sketchier even if it's something you normally do without brakes. Anyway what I was saying is it makes something I would do more mentally challenging but it's not for everyone. Thanks for checking out the video!
I called that trail Tiger's Blood one time and got yelled at and told it is called Tiger Blood, no "s". Anyway, this video is timely because I'm switching from clipless to flats.
[TN] Strikeman I'm pretty tall so it doesn't effect me as much but I think shorter people might have a tough time. It also depends on if it's over or onto something. Over you won't have as much clearance between how high you get your butt and the obstacle but onto you could probably manage the same heights.
Cool Im 6 1" with 32" inseam. Been riding 26" for ages and the trail bike I have now (medium meridia 120) is just too short and find that on the faster trails it's so sketchy. Going to get a yt jeffsy L frame should be a much better bike for me.
Question, if you're hitting an intense, gnarly, bumpy technical climb on flats, is there anything I can do to stop my feet being bumped off the pedals? Excellent video! Would love more how-tos.
Jonathan Biddle best thing is to use the tips I talked about. Foot placement, standing or floating over the seat and on the way up toes down scooping back!
I Jeff whats your feeling on 29ers I am still on a 26 but looking to move up. I am leaning towards a 27.5, Bronson or Remedy. The 29 just looks like a lot of bike to me, I am 5.8 165 Thanks
Hey Scott, I REALLY like 27.5 on technical terrain but I'm also pretty tall so 29ers are still super manueverable for me. The newer bikes are pretty nimble so I think you'd be happy with either choice. The two things that make me lean towards a 27.5 for you are the fact that you're coming off 26 and you aren't super tall. The 27.5 might feel more comfortable for you from the get go. Obviously I'm biased but I LOVE my Giant Trance, you should at least take one for a ride before you buy.
Jeff Lenosky Thanks Jeff for getting back to me so quickly, I will take your advice and give the Trance a ride, there is a dealer near me. The only reason I was think of the SC or Trek is becuase a friend mine owns a shop and that is what they sell. I know you have heard this before but I cant understand high you dont have a couple hundred subscribers, it just wrong, I will pass the word. Again thanks Jeff
Scott Gibson thank you so much. I still get messages everyday from people saying they just found me. I've been riding 20+ years. I need people like you to spread the word. I really appreciate it!
Jeff Lenosky Have you ever road with Seth, he has a huge channel, one vidoe with Seth and you would gain subs overnight. I have seen videos of him any many other UA-camrs, such as Nate Hills, Phil, Alex and Brian. Take care and wishing you the best you are one hell of rider and your vidoes are first rate.
Unless you are as good as him you can be clipped in and do hard technical trails. If you are not, flats are safer and in my opinion they can safe you when you fall. There or pros and cons to both. I just prefer flats.
Mark Stewart I should know the answer to which model they are but these were non-branded Proto types. They displayed them at interbike though, so they are available to the public now and I love them. I never ever wore lace up all mountain shoes and now I wear them for all of my rides.
Got one like that near us (Harold Parker State forest) and wow is it nice to hit something more flowy after a few sessions in tech hell. Feel like a total hero!
www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/trails/harold.pdf Good start is the lot on Jenkins Rd. From the looks of your video you're good to head up past the gate on the paved road and look for the right that feeds into Yellow Diamond Trail and pick your way around Salem Pond area. Got some tech fear walking done in upper right Bay circuit Trail area during NEMBA Wicked Ride Sunday but not familiar enough with that zone. Stearns Pond area, lower side of Field Pond, and campground way beneath your ability. (Sigh, wish I could join you)
So you do this hard stuff clipped just because you're Jeff Lenosky and you can. Would advise someone to try and learn bunny hops and endos clipped in first, logic being the epic face plants will build character :)
Went from clips to flats....back to clips..haha now back on flats. Maybe I'll go back one day. Flats definitely help with confidence but climbing is way easier and less wearing on the body with clipless pedals
Quick poll..... Which style pedal do you use?
Flats for life. After growing up skateboarding and surfing, I can't comprehend wanting to attach your feet like that. I actually also felt that the SPDs and Eggbeaters I've tried felt LESS secure than 5.10s and flats, because of the float in the cleats.
Flats. Even on my road bike! I was clipped in for 15+ years the whole time I rode in Jersey. Then due to my bitchin about sore feet and knees, Jeff Drobits wore me down and converted me to flats about 7 years ago. I will probably never go back to riding clipped in due to that foot and knee pain that happen during longer rides. With flats my feet never hurt (but me shins sometimes bleed) and I am only a little slower on climbs while on flats (and we regularly do 3000-4000 foot climbs out here). I tried riding clipped in for a while on my road bike but the foot pain came back after a few hours so I put flats on that too.
I'm sure clipless are much more efficient, however, I use flats. I can't wrap my head around binding myself to the bike. What if I have to hit the eject button? lol I know they are well built and they will release, but what if they don't'? I'm already a walking scar, I don't want to add yet another surgery to my list. I've been tempted to try them though.
Jeff Lenosky .......flats
Switched to flats a few years ago, crashing sucks as you get older and ride harder.
Getting into a harder gear so that your shoes dig deeper into flats for better grip -- new to me, great tip. Thx Jeff.
Dude, that was a great video!
I'm 43, just started riding full sus bike 2 years ago, and after about 20 years of riding clipless, I'm trying out flats.
It's proving to be really difficult to get rid of old habits - lifting my foot up all the time.
Thanks for the video, lots of good tips in there.
Great video. My only critique is try turning down the music a little bit lower while your talking. it was hard to hear some of the narration.
I'm always going back to your videos for things I may have missed.
Awesome info Jeff! Tiger's Blood looks friggin' diabolical!
BKXC thanks Brian! That's only 2 miles from my house!
So you're gonna switch to flats now? ;)
I think the biggest tip people miss is to get real pedals and shoes. Its amazing the difference that makes over tennis shoes and cheap pedals that come with bikes.
But after putting up for the flats and 5-10 flat shoes, no $$$ left to try clipless. Oh well, having too much fun anyways.
Comparing what you do on flats vs. clipped in was very helpful
Armen Tekerian thanks. Glad it was useful. Share it!
Great tips. I'll try them out. I agree about the control with clips. The thing I DO NOT like about them is that crashes are typically much more severe. With flats you simply take your feet off the pedal and use them to avoid falling over if you lose your balance.
Flats for life!!! Great tips Jeff. So far you are batting 1000%! Keep up the good work.
Lionel C thanks Lionel!
Thanks for the great video and tips. I switched to flats this year after many years clipped and I feel much more relaxed riding technical terrain, I don't miss the clips one bit, ok on long climbs. Great riding by you I must add. Take care
Scott Gibson thanks Scott!
Great vid! Stoked I came across your channel! Keep ‘em coming!
You keep that trials riding up, Dave, and you'll be running your own version of the Trail Boss video series soon! :-)
Haha thanks man!
Thank Jeff for the informative and useful tips. Eager to implement them on my next trial tmrw.
New subscriber, love the videos! We are the same height, it's cool to see a big guy with your skills. I've been riding Shimano XT for some long, I decided to try some Oozy Trial Spanks flat pedals, mainly to improve bike skills (manuals, jumps ect). Your advise on flat pedal foot placement really helped me out a lot. I was riding on the ball of my foot and kept having to readjust my foot placement. Moving my foot forward really gave me more confidence on the flats. Thanks and look forward to more of your informative videos
Matthew Hall thanks Matt. Glad to have you and psyched you like the videos!
Your skills are impressive, dude!
Great video! Was fun to hear your perspective. I haven’t been on flats in over 10 years. I’ve been toying with buying a set to test on my channel.
B1KER thanks man!
Thanks for the pointers. Ride on!
I offer my 100% subjective analysis: Lenosky is in the 1% of mountain bikers who can clean stuff like this on flats. Then, I dunno, maybe 5-7% can possibly clean that kinda stuff riding clipless. The other 95% (I am in this group), wouldn't be able to do it either way no matter what pedals they have!
Awesome stuff Bro. I do the same trail bike clips, Hardtail, DJ and BMX flats!! Live-Life-Loud!!
Some really good tips irrespective of the pedal discussion. Btw I rented the 2017 trance recently and loved the ride. The bike felt so good. Not sure why.
Bennies Platform Pedals with power grip straps, awesome best of both worlds, have been riding these for over 15 years...
Excellent video. Which shoes are you using and which pedals? Thank you.
As a Skier and occasional ‘roady’ I like to ride clipless - just feel so much more connected with my bike ...literally.
VoyT same. I can ride
Either but totally prefer clipless
I am in the same situation. I have been using Step in ski bindings for 47 years and riding clipped in since Shimano introduced it’s first clipless pedal. I started road riding with old fashioned toe clips and straps. Used a road shoe with a cleat that had a notch that fit into the back of the pedal. You had a strap that locked you in so you could pull up. Twisting out of a SPD Shimano with a multi release SH56 M cleat is so easy. I ride Mt. Bike XC and trails with clipless pedals about 100 days a season. There is no right or wrong it is what works for you. Yes I have fallen while clipped in but I have cleaned technical sections clipped in because it gives me more momentum when I pull up on every stroke. I have a pair of nice flats (10 pins on each side) that I use to practice track stands and other fall over moves. Tried them for trail rides but didn’t have the same confidence . It all in the feel of being connected to the bike.
The SH56 is fun, but it doesn't give me total confidence that I won't pop out accidentally-- which happened twice while riding yesterday. Prefer my old toe clips/straps :)
Great info! Deff gonna try these tips tomorrow on some nemesis-tech trail sections.
Sketch Kid where do you live? Nemesis tech. I've got lots of that! So frustrating it's fun!
Dallas Texas, Northshore trail(Lake Grapevine) is my main ride. Nothing compared to the video, but we have our techy stuff as well. Just started this channel, first video will be up this weekend with my many fails on said Nemesis-tech. Thanks for posting such useful info, really helping me overcome some obstacles.
Great tips Sick riding
Fantastic and entertaining video. Couple of questions: what is the brand of trip tracker on your handlebars, and what is the length of your dropper post, 125 or 150? Keep up the good work.
Great trail...Mahlon is such a fun park
Some nice backyard trail!!
Great insights on so many aspects, Jeff! I've been quite interested in practicing the Punch, but I'm scared of bashing my chainring into the obstacle. Do you have any suggestions on what kind/size of obstacle I should try to learn this on?
Thank you for sharing.
Buy a bash guard
+1 for bash guard...but if you have an old 3x9 bike you could use the largest/outer most chain ring as a bash guard, that's what I do since I never use it anyway lol. I guess a good tip would be to learn how to 'scoop' your rear wheel up higher, and start by trying to get over a normal road curb without hitting your rear wheel.
Thank you for the helpful suggestions, Don Christie and Dukdude.
Considering the feedback, I can see that my post wasn't understood regarding what I really wanted. I'm more interested on the question regarding the obstacle and not so much on the statement regarding the chainring. I'd imagine that using a rock with a not so rough transition from vertical to horizontal would help, and a bench would be a greater risk both for the chainring and less surface to bail to if it goes wrong.
Have a great day!
If you want a square edge practice on something wood, that way you won't smash your chainring. Size won't really matter, if you do it on a log, usually the larger the better since it will be larger than your wheelbase and you'll be less likely to hit your chainring too.
great channel keep up the good work
Jeff, how tight do you make your pedals when running SPD's? I want to be able to cross up on jumps and pushing out on the pedals makes me come out, trying to find the balance point of firm clip but still able to get out if needed.
Clipless XT all day 🤘
My riding partner's coach told her to lift the back end of the bike with her clipped pedals when going over obstacles. This just seems so wrong but - is this OK and what most clipped riders do?
I have yet to try clips. Maybe one day, but for now flats are working out okay for me!
I just tried to change to flat pedals after clips for 27 years and so far, im not having any luck with them. My feet keep bouncing off the pedals in chunky terrain, and the need to pull up on pedals while climbing technical terrain is too much. How do you handle that?
That's a really long time to develop habits. My suggestion is riding them at a pump track first or easier rides once a week to ease into it. I had a good friend who kept trying to jump in feet first and ride all the usual terrain and kept getting frustrated. This year she rode the pump track a lot, then some trails, then harder trails and now she's killing it!
Check out her UA-cam channel. Laura Slavin
How important are mountain bike shoes vs just tennis shoes? thanks!
Thanks for the tips, i wanted to know if you can do a tutorial for rear wheel hop with a mountain bike, i can barely go to the position and do one hop and that's it :/
Go Flats!
Flats! Always! Preferably pink ones! :-P
Well that was a timely video Jeff! Thanks. I just got a new bike, ironically a giant trance, and was wondering what pedal direction go in. I’ve ridden both clipless and flats and am leaning towards flats again! Just curious as to what flat pedals you use?
Andrew Barbour I was using Shimano Saint pedals
Jeff Lenosky can’t go wrong with saints. Thanks Jeff!
Are you sure there is a trail there? lol I always use clipped in... but its personal preference
I have no psychological need to make things sketchier by having my feet attached to pedals. You could clip your hands in as well if you want that "extra committed" feeling.
Chip Mcdonald that's riding "death grip" finders off the brakes. It makes things way sketchier even if it's something you normally do without brakes. Anyway what I was saying is it makes something I would do more mentally challenging but it's not for everyone. Thanks for checking out the video!
Haha! Good comment about the hands
I called that trail Tiger's Blood one time and got yelled at and told it is called Tiger Blood, no "s". Anyway, this video is timely because I'm switching from clipless to flats.
Nice! Do you think that you can bunny hop the same height with 29" wheels as 27.5" ?? Thanks
[TN] Strikeman I'm pretty tall so it doesn't effect me as much but I think shorter people might have a tough time. It also depends on if it's over or onto something. Over you won't have as much clearance between how high you get your butt and the obstacle but onto you could probably manage the same heights.
Cool Im 6 1" with 32" inseam. Been riding 26" for ages and the trail bike I have now (medium meridia 120) is just too short and find that on the faster trails it's so sketchy. Going to get a yt jeffsy L frame should be a much better bike for me.
Thanks!
Thank you!!
Question, if you're hitting an intense, gnarly, bumpy technical climb on flats, is there anything I can do to stop my feet being bumped off the pedals? Excellent video! Would love more how-tos.
Jonathan Biddle best thing is to use the tips I talked about. Foot placement, standing or floating over the seat and on the way up toes down scooping back!
A summer of bloody shins from pedal chops does wonders for lessons learned.
My specific issue is losing my footing riiiight at the top of the pedal stroke. I'll keep practicing!
Jonathan Biddle that's a finesse thing. Just keep practicing. You'll get it!!
I Jeff whats your feeling on 29ers I am still on a 26 but looking to move up. I am leaning towards a 27.5, Bronson or Remedy. The 29 just looks like a lot of bike to me, I am 5.8 165 Thanks
Hey Scott, I REALLY like 27.5 on technical terrain but I'm also pretty tall so 29ers are still super manueverable for me. The newer bikes are pretty nimble so I think you'd be happy with either choice. The two things that make me lean towards a 27.5 for you are the fact that you're coming off 26 and you aren't super tall. The 27.5 might feel more comfortable for you from the get go. Obviously I'm biased but I LOVE my Giant Trance, you should at least take one for a ride before you buy.
Jeff Lenosky Thanks Jeff for getting back to me so quickly, I will take your advice and give the Trance a ride, there is a dealer near me. The only reason I was think of the SC or Trek is becuase a friend mine owns a shop and that is what they sell. I know you have heard this before but I cant understand high you dont have a couple hundred subscribers, it just wrong, I will pass the word. Again thanks Jeff
Scott Gibson thank you so much. I still get messages everyday from people saying they just found me. I've been riding 20+ years. I need people like you to spread the word. I really appreciate it!
Jeff Lenosky I will and have been spreading the word, take care
Jeff Lenosky Have you ever road with Seth, he has a huge channel, one vidoe with Seth and you would gain subs overnight. I have seen videos of him any many other UA-camrs, such as Nate Hills, Phil, Alex and Brian. Take care and wishing you the best you are one hell of rider and your vidoes are first rate.
Jeff that music is very distracting.
how did he learn all these skills
Unless you are as good as him you can be clipped in and do hard technical trails. If you are not, flats are safer and in my opinion they can safe you when you fall. There or pros and cons to both. I just prefer flats.
Are you still here in the Northeast?
Great video Jeff, are those the new Shimano GR7 shoes your using if so how do you like-em?
Mark Stewart I should know the answer to which model they are but these were non-branded Proto types. They displayed them at interbike though, so they are available to the public now and I love them. I never ever wore lace up all mountain shoes and now I wear them for all of my rides.
Nice 👍
That Trail is Tek!
Tek as Hek
Got one like that near us (Harold Parker State forest) and wow is it nice to hit something more flowy after a few sessions in tech hell. Feel like a total hero!
John, I was gonna hit Harold Parker this week. Any recommendations?
www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/trails/harold.pdf Good start is the lot on Jenkins Rd. From the looks of your video you're good to head up past the gate on the paved road and look for the right that feeds into Yellow Diamond Trail and pick your way around Salem Pond area. Got some tech fear walking done in upper right Bay circuit Trail area during NEMBA Wicked Ride Sunday but not familiar enough with that zone. Stearns Pond area, lower side of Field Pond, and campground way beneath your ability. (Sigh, wish I could join you)
Can't believe I missed riding with you in HP. I live a mile away, decided to go to Disney for the weekend. What did you think of HP?
👍
Scotty mack took me here and I ended up walking half cause I'm a city kid lol
If you aren't walking, there's no room for improvement. No shame! Do it again soon and eventually you'll be walking a lot less.
I just switched to flats today after riding clips since 2005 and im scared.
Both
What helmet are you wearing?
Cameron it's a Fly Freestone.
So you do this hard stuff clipped just because you're Jeff Lenosky and you can. Would advise someone to try and learn bunny hops and endos clipped in first, logic being the epic face plants will build character :)
Yea, no music would be better.
Went from clips to flats....back to clips..haha now back on flats. Maybe I'll go back one day. Flats definitely help with confidence but climbing is way easier and less wearing on the body with clipless pedals
I like u shorts & jersery..
Unless you're Jeff Lenosky !!!! I'm not interested in your pedals comparison 😀
Such a punchy video 👍
Mitch Warren HTUK thanks!!!
2:27 is just ridiculous. Unreal.
15 minutes to do TB damn im at least double that lol
im andrew from Robert down
Jennifer Jeska hey Andrew. Thanks for cheering so loud today!
I never did see a "trail".
David Riley that's a Trail!
When I get better at clearing rocks it will look like a trail to me too.
Loose the music.It's a distraction. You only need your voice and the natural surroundings.
Arthur Davis I know :-( I can't take it down at this point tho
Hi
First
Aidan Chromick yesssss!! Nice job!
Hi