Mistakes when choosing first table tennis rackets

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  • @idrivearttabletennis
    @idrivearttabletennis 3 роки тому +45

    After playing a few years I decided I wanted very light blade. Got one - have never been able to control it. I now stick with medium weight and thick rubber. Your tips were great. Hope many listen and learn.

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  3 роки тому +4

      Thanks for sharing

    • @saqlainansari9081
      @saqlainansari9081 16 днів тому

      @@idrivearttabletennis I m a beginner. Should I buy gki offensive xx or stag international? Please do tell . Gki is almost 200 gms and stag is 180gms .. please tell which one should I buy

    • @idrivearttabletennis
      @idrivearttabletennis 16 днів тому

      @@saqlainansari9081 you probably need to ask @pingsunday . I don't know the blades you mentioned. Years ago I bought a Hunter Flame blade which is very light - I felt I had less control and also less power. These days I use an all-wood Stiga Clipper blade with thick aggressive rubber on both sides (usually something like Andro Nuzn or Andro Rasanter). But as for the two blades you are considering do ask Ping Sunday - they know a LOT more than me.

  • @washnery
    @washnery 3 роки тому +113

    I made two mistakes in the beginning. First, I bought a factory racket, a Butterfly Addoy 2000, which I later found out was for leisure only. Then, I built an extremely fast racket, copied Hugo Calderano's Cournilleau setup. These mistakes hindered my learning. However, today, I assemble my rackets myself and know that I am closer to the ideal setup.

    • @ryzenjmeg
      @ryzenjmeg 2 роки тому +5

      how should one start? what to buy? By the way, I am a beginner who really wants to learn and improve in the game. TIA

    • @iskandartaib
      @iskandartaib Рік тому +3

      Blade: Sanwei M8. Rubber: Two sheets of - take your pick of $5-10 Chinese rubber.

    • @washnery
      @washnery Рік тому

      @@iskandartaib rubber Yinhe Mars II in both sides.

    • @iskandartaib
      @iskandartaib Рік тому

      @@washnery Should work. So should 729, or Yinhe 9000, or Reactor Corbor, or Kokutaku 868.

    • @kenhuang3820
      @kenhuang3820 11 місяців тому

      I haven't purchased it yet for beginners for my equipment what are you thought of these setup I'm considering?
      Butterfly SK7 classic racquet the rubber front Butterfly Tenergy 05 2.1mm and the back BUTTERFLY Tenergy 64 it comes with free glue / assemble service and I added side tape RB protector 12mm
      Let me know if this combination is okay if not what else do you suggest? Appreciated your help 😊

  • @frenchtt4761
    @frenchtt4761 3 роки тому +10

    Personnaly, I play with all+ wood blade and chinese rubber on both sides (young shine) with a little seamoon boost ;)

    • @sidsi4190
      @sidsi4190 10 днів тому

      a little WHAT boost??

  • @yugahardiyansah7492
    @yugahardiyansah7492 3 роки тому +28

    I think the best equipment for beginner is the slowest setup. That is necessary to learn stroke mechanism first

    • @toobalkain
      @toobalkain 3 роки тому +1

      @Jong Ray Holk it does sound reasonable but is Mistake #2 according to this video, he shows Tenergy 05 as a good rubber for beginner.

    • @toobalkain
      @toobalkain 3 роки тому +2

      @@irtiza4262 isn't it that the tire is only 20% and paddle 80%? I do kinda agree from personal experience, though, I started playing with Petr Korbel and Tenergy05 when I might have benefitted from a slower rubber.

    • @shadowamazon
      @shadowamazon 3 роки тому +5

      Can you explain to me like i am 5 years old, exactly what i need to buy to put together the slowest setup?

    • @yugahardiyansah7492
      @yugahardiyansah7492 3 роки тому +2

      @@shadowamazon where are you from? If you are new to table tenis, consider not to buy premade racquete... Set your equipment individually,, for example: Blade yinhe N10S , rubber yinhe mercury or yinhe earth 2

    • @shadowamazon
      @shadowamazon 3 роки тому

      @@yugahardiyansah7492 Thank you for the reply. I've been playing table tennis for leisure since teenager(it's been a while). Never paid much attention to my equipment, been using hand-me-downs from friends and family. Only noticed recently that my racket isn't even flat, it's warpped. Although i've been playing for many years, I've never received any formal training, so I thought I should start with equipment for beginner. Oh and I use penhold. Ok to spend a little more money for something that I can grow into. Any recommendation? Thank you!

  • @jackhsieh3955
    @jackhsieh3955 3 роки тому +4

    Is stiga intensity nct a good blade to start with ? I am not saying am pro yet but not literally beginner
    And am penholder who learning Chinese technique

  • @marcosmusixpcmusicam
    @marcosmusixpcmusicam 3 роки тому +9

    I am a trainer at my club, and I follow your advices: all my players has all+ wood with hard chinese rubbers in FH and softer rubbers on BH, they are improving faster than players from another clubs! for instance:
    Neottec Magic Control (+2 pf4-50)
    Neottec Gamma All+ (+2 pf4-50)
    DHS Wind Series W3010 / pf4 + pf4-50
    Donic Appelgren Exclusive Allround, / pf4-50
    Yasaka Sweden Extra , hurricane 3 mid hard + PF4-50
    Yasaka Sweden Extra handle type CONC (FL) + H3 neo mid-hard + h3 neo soft
    Yasaka Sweden Extra (usd 32), h8 mid-hard/h8soft,
    Yinhe N10s / DHS h3 Neo / Mars
    Stiga Allround Classic Carbon (FL)+ DHS H8 Soft red + DHS H8 Mid-Hard
    Stiga Allround Evolution (h8 mid hard/h8 soft), USD 105

    • @ignacio3714
      @ignacio3714 2 роки тому +1

      why softer rubbers on backhand? dont you need something hard in the back to be able to compensate the weakness?

    • @iqbalfadillah90
      @iqbalfadillah90 4 місяці тому

      is any of these combinations good for any beginner? or should I match it with my playing behaviour?

    • @myself6745
      @myself6745 Місяць тому

      ​@@ignacio3714 I think softer rubber to engage the sponge
      It's true that harder rubber helps you get the power

  • @RajivChopra
    @RajivChopra Рік тому +4

    Superb video. This is so clear

  • @areksoboniak2774
    @areksoboniak2774 Рік тому +1

    Great video, thanks for posting it.

  • @Holamirae
    @Holamirae 3 роки тому +7

    Hi coach, you said "Don't choose under 40 degree hardness for forehand and under 35 for backhand" is that for Chinese degree or ESN? I don't understand the difference between Chinese and ESN scale.

  • @SirYanakT
    @SirYanakT 2 роки тому +4

    General Question.. But first, I want to mention that you do a great job of explaining things in a way that any casual player should have no problem understanding the almost all concepts that you break down.. You also do so in a way that you don't have to over-state the redundant fundamentals of game improvement like a lot of similar Content Creators do..
    ..I feel that I've practiced Proper Practice and I also feel very fortunate how quickly I improved so much.. I've tried out some of "the best" rubbers and my everyday Racket is probably ready for the Rubbers to be replaced again.. For the most part, I am fairly confident that about any equipment within the realm of my playstyle, will not be too much to take on.. To this point, for some reason, I haven't had any interest in moving on from the Spin Mystic by CounterStrike as part of my Build that I know & trust.. My brother runs the Dignics 09C/05 Combo that everyone seems to swear by, so we have "better" options here.. Could you generalize the difficulties I may encounter if I stick with a Spin Mystic on 1 side, or give your overall Take on comparable/related predicaments? For what it's worth, I'm a player who hasn't ruled out playing competitively; but it wouldn't be anytime soon if I decided to.. So, I'm mainly looking for fundamental Pros/Cons to continuing with this Rubber through higher levels of improvement. My Apologies for trying to ask a general question & sticking you with a such a long read. Lol. Thanks!

  • @kardmajster4578
    @kardmajster4578 11 днів тому

    Are there really no good quality factory rackets for beginners and do you have to buy rubber and wood separately?

  • @o0dontknow0o
    @o0dontknow0o Рік тому +1

    What do yall think about the GEWO CS Energy Carbon PRO?

  • @genzejay
    @genzejay Рік тому

    is it better for begginer using a boer? or I just made a mistake? because there's no ittf in the rubber.

  • @Txkken
    @Txkken 4 місяці тому

    Hi, I’m a pretty average player, I’ve been using my friends rackets and want to get one for myself how do I know what wood and rubber to get to suit my play style ? Or am I over thinking it ?

  • @Holamirae
    @Holamirae 3 роки тому +5

    I bought a friendship 7 stars racket and play with it about 2 years and I improved well, my racket is 195g and my rubbers are very tacky even after 2 years and I can spin the ball so easily, first when I was learning fh topspin my coach didn't teach me right and I had difficulty with it for several months, now with your videos I learned it so good. Thanks. But my only problem with that is when I close my angle to do the topspin, the ball is spinny but slow, is that means I must do the weight transfer better?

  • @breathtimebreath4934
    @breathtimebreath4934 2 роки тому

    Thank you 🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @yannistath
    @yannistath 10 місяців тому

    what blade and rubber you would guys suggest for a flexible blade and hard rubber (sold in amazon if possible)?

  •  12 днів тому

    One thing I'd personally recommend is to not go for 5 star immediately even if you feel like you have good experience before going into training or competing.

  • @galaxismtg7722
    @galaxismtg7722 3 роки тому +1

    Danke!
    Du bist eine Erleuchtung in der TT - Welt!🙏💡
    Meinst du die Europäische, Chinesische oder die Japanische härte?
    Mach bitte ein Video: Wer ist pingsunday?
    Bay👋

  • @buttxrontoast-7100
    @buttxrontoast-7100 3 роки тому +2

    And i found out that Wang Has co-founded a company named Loki, i tried the Loxi RXTon rubber and it was tacky, hard, and springy. Just what Coach wants.

  • @p504504
    @p504504 3 роки тому

    Thanks Coach EmreThich

  • @radosawkapuscinski2808
    @radosawkapuscinski2808 Рік тому

    Is it worth it to buy this setup: Yinhe Y-4, fh: Mercury II, bh: Friendship 729 Focus III Snipe? I'm leisure player, and I play only outside on concrete table.

  • @callmeandoru2627
    @callmeandoru2627 2 роки тому +5

    I think the best way to choose a racket is to just ask your coach

  • @julesgojancacho1767
    @julesgojancacho1767 3 роки тому +1

    Another things and advices learned thanks Coach🙂

  • @Max-ln2jb
    @Max-ln2jb 3 роки тому +2

    Hey PingSunday! I’m playing right now the Viscaria with Butterlfy dignics 05 on my forehand, I really want to try out the Dhs hurricane national blue sponge but i don’t know which hardness , what do u think about it ? And do u think it’s a Good idea to change it to a hurriance ? What’s ur option let me know! :)

  • @stefanhansen5882
    @stefanhansen5882 7 місяців тому

    5:18 How is that possible? Is that mostly thanks to the bat or mostly about technique?

    • @gnomewastaken6533
      @gnomewastaken6533 7 днів тому

      a bit of both you can try that yourself. Hitting the ball on a nice racket like that generates so much spin side spin that when it hits the racket it has strength to "defy gravity". It is a combination of great rubber and great technique as well

  • @MrFraiche
    @MrFraiche 2 роки тому

    5:23 Good touch drill 👌

  • @andreika6681
    @andreika6681 7 місяців тому

    sooo many exceptions to these rules (cuz there are so many possible styles ppl will end up). totally disgree with "more than 80gr blades", beginner is supposed to be coached, movement will be corrected. lighter blade is also less fatigue = less tendonitis. there are fine cheap balsa blades for beginers (esp girls), banco magic light, banco hinoki (hidden cheap gem!), gewo 575, cornillau aero line (esp all+/off-), joola eagle medium, tibhar samsonov premium contact (great for

  • @emilsShorts
    @emilsShorts 3 роки тому +1

    Is stiga infinity vps v + DNA M on both sides good

  • @antonpalichev8354
    @antonpalichev8354 9 місяців тому

    I play with TSP Reflex 50 Award Off and two rubbers Xiom Vega X, 2.2 mm. Do you think it's ok? I feel the rocket ok at all.

  • @lapte2019
    @lapte2019 2 роки тому

    Hello, please tell me which racket is better for this rubbers,on forehand hurricane 3 and backhand tenergy 05. Timo Boll Alc or Viscaria ?

  • @StarxDo
    @StarxDo 2 роки тому

    I made one mistake when buying my first racket. I bought a pre made one which had barley any sponge and due to the blade being reallly fast, I couldnt handle it.

  • @wongndokoh
    @wongndokoh 3 роки тому +1

    My dream blade viscaria👍

    • @gab5012
      @gab5012 3 роки тому

      The blade of literally every person around me has it's almost annoying, glad I got a similar but different ALC blade just for that XD

    • @buttxrontoast-7100
      @buttxrontoast-7100 3 роки тому

      Xiom Ice Cream Blade since it has both ALC and ZLC

    • @beafstew12345
      @beafstew12345 3 роки тому

      i recently switched from dhs h-lg that i've been using since 2013 with donic s1 turbo fh, tynergy 05 bh to viscaria with h3 provincial blue fh, dignic 05 bh. huge difference in consistency. it doesn't matter where on the face you hit from. it will be the same throughout. a lot slower then the previous setup but better for my play style of attack loop.

  • @bmsdotnet5083
    @bmsdotnet5083 3 роки тому

    Thanks sharing

  • @muratlutfi
    @muratlutfi Рік тому

    Hello, I will not be able to participate in the competitions, I have an intermediate level, I defense, I am 50 years old and I would like to have a special raccets Woods efsane story that I will use for many years, please suggest me.

  • @geegee9765
    @geegee9765 Рік тому

    Hi is the brand HUIESON bad? They have 5-6 star rackets for very cheap :D

  • @pragatikakoty1530
    @pragatikakoty1530 3 роки тому +1

    I use viscaria with mxp on both sides

    • @blueheart9873
      @blueheart9873 3 роки тому

      Nice. I don't like MX-P because of the spring sponge so I have DHS Neo 3 rubbers instead

    • @soniczgaming6556
      @soniczgaming6556 3 роки тому +1

      I have DHS hurricane 3 neo and yasaka rakza

    • @varuosalien8523
      @varuosalien8523 2 роки тому

      I have timo boll ALC with Rozena and hurricane 3 NEO

  • @dexter10official15
    @dexter10official15 3 місяці тому

    Hello is this okay that my racket is 3-5mm??? 😢😢😢

  • @HurizGloriani
    @HurizGloriani 3 місяці тому

    Is boer brand racket good? Please answer

  • @marlondasco7118
    @marlondasco7118 Рік тому

    Is Loki 7 Star a good racket?

  • @pogchamp7059
    @pogchamp7059 2 роки тому

    I got the RDJ s3
    Butterfly is this good

  • @taliwalling4465
    @taliwalling4465 Рік тому +1

    90g is heavy?

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  Рік тому +1

      for only the blade

    • @taliwalling4465
      @taliwalling4465 Рік тому +1

      @@pingsunday what is the ideal weight for the whole racket?

    • @cgonzalezcon
      @cgonzalezcon Рік тому +1

      @@taliwalling4465 I'd say around 195-200 grams. The heavier the more power you can impart, however, more physical training and effort is needed

  • @apellonziaddy9622
    @apellonziaddy9622 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks Coach for these amazing advice. I just need a little clarification. Isn't a beginner supposed to play softer rubbers for better feeling?

  • @darrinkulyk9560
    @darrinkulyk9560 2 роки тому +1

    In 1500 Hrs. I Went Through 7 Blades Finally Set On The Darker Speed90 it's 174 grs With AK47 Red Its AMAZING 😎 FH Is Over 100Kmh 😎

  • @umaramin9905
    @umaramin9905 3 роки тому

    What's backsong ??

  • @marcop174
    @marcop174 3 роки тому

    Thank you for your good advises!!! What do you think is the best racket for young kids? I usually ask our kids in club to choose thinner and shorter handle because of their smaller hands.

  • @john.s1962
    @john.s1962 3 роки тому +2

    Just get what your coach advises you to get, a 40 degrees rubber requires strength and tecnique, which a new player doesn't have. Hard rubbers and heavy racket also means higher possibility for injuries because of the higher weight. Generaly a thin (1,8mm) soft-medium sponge (30-35 degrees) is advised because of the good feeling and controll that it provides. A good combo is stiga allround classic or offensive classic with butterfly sriver fx (for blockers and defenders), or something like yasaka mkV or dawei 2008 xp (with medium japanese sponge). These provide exelent control, feeling and touch. Note that the sriver fx is really soft. Later you may change to long or short pips, but most just go to something like butterfly rozena or donic bluefire and the butterfly korbel or stiga infinity blade. In the future you may like hard rubbers, but they are not begginers, as for long pips I recomend TSP Curl P1-r and for short TSP spectol blue or the original.

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  3 роки тому +4

      Exactly. Ask the advice of your coach is a must. Thank you very much.

    • @john.s1962
      @john.s1962 3 роки тому +1

      @@pingsunday yeah, I played for a while with hurricane 3 neo, but these kind of rubbers aren't sold here, so I had to find alternatives. That's the bad thing about Chinese rubbers, but I love them. I just switched from my viscaria to the clipper wood and kept tenergy 05 on forehand and donic bluestorm z3 in backhand. Do you have any recommendations for hard, tacky rubbers? Tenergy is too fast. I've heard Yinhe-Galaxy is pretty good, and many in Russia use yinhe equipment. Should I try yinhe?

    • @dickn.ormous1064
      @dickn.ormous1064 3 роки тому +1

      Werner Schlager said you should never train with thin rubbers cause you will pick up bad habits like opening the blade face too much.Traditional Swedish 5 ply blades like Stiga/Donic/Yasaka are just fine for developing technique,no need for using junk rubbers.

    • @john.s1962
      @john.s1962 3 роки тому

      @@dickn.ormous1064 defenders and blockers need thin rubbers, and newbies also need thin rubbers to get a better feeling on the ball. The first year or so beginners don't use almost any spin anyways, and a thicker rubber will be more difficult for them due to responsiveness. And I can think of many more things of why thick rubbers and beginners are trouble. Like half developed strokes due to rubbers being fast, ties directly to thick sponge.

  • @paul87173
    @paul87173 2 роки тому

    I'm veteran player and would like to own a world class pre made tt racket butterfly. I can afford and willing to pay. Plse help where and how to get.

    • @NotoriousKhamid
      @NotoriousKhamid 8 місяців тому

      Get a timo boll ALC blade with 05fx rubbers

  • @XYoukaiX
    @XYoukaiX 2 роки тому +1

    omg what ? Hard Rubber for kids ?
    I learned that for beginners soft rubbers are much easyer to use and I am pretty sure that this is true so why would you give beginners a Hard rubber ? thats crazy especially for the first racket, maybe when they have the basics done you could change to something harder to have them get used to it for the future but as a beginner ?
    Most shops also say that the Harder rubbers are only for professional palyers and some players like Boll also said that some of those super hard ones are to hard to use for him if they aren't well tuned to become less hard.

    • @andreika6681
      @andreika6681 7 місяців тому

      nothing is THAT certain in combining blades/rubbers till you finally glue it and try it, all/all+ blade can shadow A LOT speed effect of 48+ rubbers

  • @Golden-Boy-
    @Golden-Boy- 2 роки тому +1

    fore me many misstake. the 1 thet have ben playing long time recomanded to me and got me a blade carbon blade super fast and heavy 0 controll and feeling, i did not know much at that time, playd long time with it, later fond out its no good fore me and was recomanded anoder fast blade, and to anoder fast blade and then i tryd defence blade but playing with so fast blade fore so long made it very hard was so slow, becurs i playd with fast blade all the time, in the end i looked fore a blade my self and finaly ended up with joo saehyuk blade that fits me Perfect ly, defenc blade with good attack power and i love the slim stright handel fits perfect in my hand easy to roll with too :)

  • @dangerdan338
    @dangerdan338 3 роки тому

    What if my paddle is 266g

    • @andreika6681
      @andreika6681 7 місяців тому

      it's just ok if you pull 120kg with one hand in gym :-)

  • @z0uLess
    @z0uLess 2 роки тому +6

    all the youtube channels say different things. sigh

  • @Tom-kt8lu
    @Tom-kt8lu Рік тому

    I just want a racket I can’t break on the edge of the table.

  • @andyzhou1668
    @andyzhou1668 3 роки тому +1

    my dad told me if ur a beginner just get those $10 paddles. It's about ur skill not equipment when ur a beginner.

    • @jackal8633
      @jackal8633 2 роки тому +7

      Ur dad have another reason.. he didnt want to spend his money too much without knowing ur passion in table tennis. How if he bought u a $200 paddle and u only play for 1 week and after that u not play anymore.

  • @KrishnaSridharan
    @KrishnaSridharan 3 роки тому

    Hi coach,
    Is harimoto alc blade good for learning loops?. What is ur personal contact number?

  • @cj3054
    @cj3054 6 місяців тому

    Hold wrong

  • @cj3054
    @cj3054 6 місяців тому

    So bad