THE ANGRY MOUNTAIN (Fires of Pompeii ft. PodtorWhoCast)
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2023
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This episode is so good. Any tennant episode that points out how morally compromised and dodgy he is despite the veneer of dashing hero is so good. Thats his duality. the way smiths is old man in body of a child
RTD indulges his purple prose prophecy kink once more
The escape scene from the mountain is still one of the funniest solutions to an episode in all of doctor who, big ball go woooo
I actually have a special place for this episode because this was the one that cemented me as a fan of the show. I had seen funnily enough the previous Donna episodes so that worked out for me, but this one was what really had me hooked. Putting the Doctor right back into a Time War style situation, too. Also weird seeing the familiar faces on rewatches, especially with moments like Caecilius revering the TARDIS lol
Can I just say that the official statement that John Frobisher is a descendant of Caecilias and his murder-suicide of his family was the timeline setting itself right is the most Captain No-Fun thing in the world?
Like my guy Peter Capaldi got cast in multiple roles because he's one of England's best actors AND A Doctor Who fan and you'd be dumb not to work with that resource, it's not that complicated.
But no relation to a shapeshifter.
also bearing in mind that if both of Caecilias's children has children he probably has thousands of descendants by now.
England's best actors. Hmmmmmm
Going straight from the antics of Partners in Crime to this is maybe one of the best decisions in the revival.
Like yeah, we've established that Ten and Donna have fun chemistry, but then they immediately establish that Catherine Tate isn't just a schtick deliverer, no she's got the full chops and can bring her all into the hard aspects of being a companion. And on top of that we also establish that her not being in love with the Doctor isn't just getting away from the tired romance trope, the Doctor finally has someone who will meaningfully challenge him in situations like this. Donna became one of the all time greats in just two episodes, all while setting up Ten to truly be a Doctor like no other.
Fires of Pompeii is a special story for me. Season 4 was the 1st season I was old enough to remember properly on broadcast, and particularly this story was an EXPERIENCE for little me. I remember this as one of the first times a piece of fiction moved me in a way I hadn't been before, and for that it has to be one of my personal highlights of 10's run.
why did like 20 creators i enjoy the content of choose to upload today lol.
I tend to see 10's desire to follow the rules of the Time Lords as him trying to preserve their legacy. I doubt that he truly believes in their rules. Instead, his guilt over his own acts in the time war drive him to preserve the ideas of the Time Lords as that is all he believes is left of them.
This is a really good point because 10 falls back on a lot of opinions/ makes a lot of choices that his previous regenerations took the Time Lords to task for. He's desperate to preserve their legacy even if it means failing to examine his culture's many many faults.
Ok, i can say i also skipped waters of mars but it was on accident because i fell asleep with netflix, and i loved it when i did watch it
I'm always happy to see more of these videos
My favourite episode of the David Tennant era
They should go to Disneyland because 7 was PROMISED IT AND NEVER GOT THERE
Well, Mel IS back now...
Broke cannon: Lobus Caecilius is a distant ancestor of John Frobisher
Caecillius est in horto
I know he's in a house. I can see that.
The problem is that they got *so* stuck on the Time War and it'd effect on him to the point where he actually makes less and less progress dealing with it as time goes on. And while you could make a great argument for PTSD (Buddha knows he's got enough of it) Davies isn't a good enough writer to address that the way it needs to be addressed to do it justice. Instead they use Angry PTSD Doctor to swerve around things that would actually progress his character. I'm fine with the Doctor as a character yo-yo-ing between this weird god-like 'I'm the only 'good person' in my own race whose capable of making The Big Decisions' and being so...tired that he can't bring himself to. Even the "just save *someone" can't always ring right to him because when the Doctor is like this, his response is to try to save everyone or no one. He might solve whatever mystery was at the core of the episode but he has to emotionally shut down over how many people die in the process. Because we've seen that yo-yo-ing in classic Dr. Who, before the Time War was a hideous brain-worm wriggling out of the proverbial Idea Tar Pit. That was one of the most fascinating things about the early series and seeing the character evolve and what he thought about his previous incarnation-- the times Pertwee or Barker's Doctor refers to Troughton as being passive when he should have been active, and how that was the one thing they regretted about that incarnation-- so The Doctor has always struggled with that Time Lord propaganda and I think you're absolutely right to point out that 10 is still repeating things he was taught as a child, because it's not just propaganda it'd his baseline for making these impossible decisions. And the proper character decision would be for him to move on from that, but Davies just can't. He likes Angry PTSD Doctor because he gets to yell and remind everyone that he's right about everything.
Fantastic comment, do you have any examples of his successors calling Troughton passive? They're escaping me atm.
@@SamyulDavis Honestly, I'm only just falling back into my Dr. Who fandom hole, so I'll have to get back to you on that as well, but I'm pretty sure Baker's Doctor makes at least some comment to that effect. Baker is the one I'm most familiar with since I grew up with him. But yeah, the modern stable of show runners can't not fall back on the Time War to excuse not progressing The Doctor's character as a whole and it's maddening, especially once they introduce the idea that Gallifrey is still out there and that he didn't commit wholesale genocide. Thanks for the excuse to re-watch Pertwee and Baker!
How tf can someone have a podcast about Doctor Who without having even watched all the modern episodes?
Because people generally have other things to do than watch Dr. Who. Like work and maintain relationships.
@@MoonLitChild “work” and “maintaining relationships” apparently isn’t getting in the way of producing hours worth of podcast content. I don’t expect every Doctor Who fan to binge the whole classic era, books, comics and audio dramas but if you go through the effort of creating an entire podcast dedicated to talking about a show, the LEAST they could do is watch that show to completion.