I Tried DPS VIRTUOSO in Guild Wars 2 - Thoughts
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Love me some cVirt! Nice overview.
Pro tip for anyone learning the rotation: a very important aspect is Not Delaying Your Weapon Swaps and Phantasms. The multi-hit attack that the phantasms perform stacks a bleed for every hit, making them the largest source of your damage by far.
To get specific: when you swap to focus, you want to hit 5 > signet > 5 then weapon swap again as soon as it's up. On sword, you want to hit 5 immediately after swapping to sword, wait until 5 is off cooldown and hit it again, then immediately swap back to focus. Minimizing the time between weapon swaps, while using both phantasms twice per swap, is the key to getting the most DPS possible out of the build.
You get into the groove pretty easily:
focus 5 > signet > focus 5 > [filler] > weapon swap
sword 5 > [filler] > sword 5 > weapon swap
and repeat.
Happy dagger-ing!
Another small but fairly important tip: keep an eye out on the Deadly Blades buff when practicing. It lasts 5s, so you want to cast one of your Bladesongs every 5s to keep it up 100% of the time.
There's points of the rotation where your main 3 dps Bladesongs (F2, F1, F5) are on CD and so is your Signet of Illusions. When this happens, it's important to use your F3 or F4 (granted you will not need either of these for a specific mechanic soon) to keep up Deadly Blades. Just making sure that you're not sitting on 5 stacks of blades for too long.
Missing a couple of seconds of the 5% dmg/condi buff might not be the end of the world, but it definitely helps push your dps higher. Virtuoso is a fairly simple spec, with a lot of small ways to maximize your damage
That's pretty much how Laranity's video starts off.
What's also important is to know when bosses move or become invulnerable as you don't want to waste your skills.
Also which skills can be chained and which interrupt stuff.
And if you can help it, you want to keep the buff from the F-skills up.
It's fine to delay focus phantasm if signet is still on cooldown. It's useful to use that time for blade consuming skills that are available, as long you can still use phantasm before signet is ready again.
@@Ferret5317 Another thing worth considering on some bosses is that focus 5 destroys projectiles.
I hate you Mathias.
You're mostly right, but just one small correction. Your signet resets the cd of focus 5 entirely no matter what. So, while the signet is on cd, you can delay the first cast of focus 5 as much as you want.
Also, specifically if you're chasing big number on the golem, there are some places where you should delay certain skills (the opener for example delays 2 and 3 a few times to cast bladesongs and recharge them faster) but that's getting into hyper minmaxing territory.
You can tell how old the recording is because he was able to actually use Bladesong Distortion.
for real :D
Theoretically we should again tomorrow. We'll see. But to be honest I didn't miss it too much (in raids).
Aye, was in queue for editing for a couple weeks
havent played virt in a while is it require a target now?
@@CowcaineHA distort does not require a target
muk, virtuoso came out 2 years ago with end of dragons.
this is flavour of the 2 last years, not flavour of the month
Once ANet makes something flavour it sometimes stays flavour for ages (remember the rule of Firebrand?) or get's nerfed instantly (can't give a quick example off my head).
@@kaltaron1284 i can... ele... the moment they ele got used in the MAT it got nerfed 5 patches in a row with dragons tooth damage being nerfed 3 separate times one after another because you can't have a skill be doing 8k crits you see...
@@HKRazieL Thanks. Why am I not surprised that Ele gets mentioned first.
@@HKRazieL LOL I know, terrible. They gonna make you have to work harder for your damage, then have that damage still be less than everyone elses lol.
Its worth pointing out that cVirt uses a very specific combination of food and Relic to maximize its DPS. CVirt uses krait runes for bleeding obviously, but with the gear listed on most website you only reach 57% crit chance and 85% Bleeding duration. Because of this cVirt needs to use Bowl of Poultry and Leek Soup (i think thats the right name) for food and Relic of Aristocracy. The Soup gives +100 Precision and +70 condition damage, bringing you above the 60% threshold, and relic of Aristocracy increases your condition duration every time you inflict vulnerability, which Virt does on all its blade attacks. At 5 stacks it brings you up to near 100% Bleeding duration.
These are important parts of cVirt's gear and are worth mentioning.
The poultry and leek soup gear combo is actually a little bit outdated, cele food currently offers the best dps output.
And as an extra benefit on top you can now just use some birthday cakes for very minimal dps loss (compared to the ascended version) and you dont have to invest in 12*precision infusions since the build uses only condi dmge infusions.
That works, but just fyi there's a newer build now that uses slightly different gear to utilize celestial food (+45 to all attributes), which also comes with the benefit of being able to use Peppercorn-Crusted Spherified Oyster Soup for 10% damage reduction.
I hope that one day traits will be rearranged such that the phantasm fury trait doesn't compete with the pistol bleeding trait, such that players could take both and pistol would replace sword offhand for one weapon set, since pistol is thematically more appropriate as a ranged and a condition weapon as opposed to the sword that is used in literally every power Mesmer build ever made.
That will be good but another issue is the cooldown for the pistol because it's like 20s and 25. It could replace focus but not sword because of the ferocity that comes with the sword (tiny power increase but it does increase dmg)
@@littleedeath6759 20 cd pistols vs 15 CD sword but traited pistol recharges 25% per interrupt 3s icd on defiant foes so with pistol skill 5 and daze shatter would work to be the same but slightly harder rotation. Didn't consider the ferocity trait for sword though, so yeah focus is more likely to be replaced.
In Guild Wars 1 there was an infamous PvP Mesmer/Elementalist build dubbed, "Machine Gun Mesmer" which would cast "Stone Daggers" a move that throw 2 projectiles every 1 second that would do damage and bleeding.
With the Mesmer you could half the cast time and with zero recharge time so you could literally machine down enemies in PVP with constant pressure that would never need cool down.
I've been waiting for GW2 to give Mesmer a feeling like that again and I feel like this build finally accomplishes that.
I fucking remember this shit. So fucking annoying.
Couple extra notes:
Even though Cvirt is a condi build, roughly ~35% of your dps output still comes frome strike dmge, on top of that all condi dps output has a relatively short duration. It results in Cvirt having some of the best rampup time of all condi builds.
Signet of illusions can be replaced for rain of swords for comparable dps, especially when dps uptime is abit lower. Its an excellent starter pick for people that want to play Cvirt.
The dps increase from signet of illusion and thousand cuts is quite low which makes them an ideal flex slot.
Virt gets a standard 3% heal from bleeding output resulting in a steady 600-900 hps.
Signet of midnight offers a break stun effect which can be a very useful extra utility as a last resort option.
~80% of the dps is Pierce dmge (last 20% is aoe dps) which puts the Cvirt at a unique advantage for some fights. Rifle pmech would probably be 2nd in terms of Pierce dps, but doesnt come even close to cvirts dps Pierce dps output
It's really accessible, you can start playing it mash-buttons style for an easy 20K ~ 25K dps and then improve over time.
In the end what makes virtuoso so strong is its insane cleave and the ability to upkeep dps even when moving around. This is why its so important for Febe CM. If the fight does not require that, a lot of other specs outshine virtuoso. Condi harbinger or willbender for example are a better condiDps choice on most normal encounters.
I honestly dont think a nerf to condiVirtuoso is needed. The biggest issue most people have with it is how easy it is to do ok (33-35k) dps. What a lot of people disregard is how hard it is to get actually high dps with it (39-40k golem) and how much that actually matters for real endgame content.
@@luca7675 As someone who mains the spec and gets pretty close to the bench, it definitely needs a nerf. Imo, the nerf should be to the sustain and defensiveness of it, not the damage. As you said, it's a lot harder than most people would think to get that final 5-10% of the bench, it just has a high floor. But for a full dps, it's got really high defensive benefits for 0 tradeoff.
@@kessy628 THIS! Exactly my thoughts. I would remove it's ability to heal. In my opinion it should be ranged glass canon, that specializes in doing damage, but doesn't have much utility. Mesmer as a class has ton of utilities, but if you want utility for cVirt, you must sacrifice dps, which is how it should be. Just change the self-heal trait and cVirt is really where it should be.
I still play power virt, and I do really good with it. can pull around 36k on the golem, but 25-30k in most of the actual content (fractals, strikes and raids). I am quite hyped for the upcoming buff, i just hope it doesn't get broken. I made my own adjustments to the old build, and I am quite glad I don't play just a copy/pasted build from a website.
@@gerilac86 I remember when Jagged Mind was added in EoD compared to the elite spec beta, the healing on it was a surprise. It's nice, but at that time you also didn't have distort and requiem had a channel before it blocked.
At this point, I would either get rid of the healing on jagged mind or reduce the distort time (either 0.75s -> 0.5s or increased cd), but I think the former is the much better move as the latter would affect pvirt (which is already squishier due to taking mental focus over jagged mind).
Also will say, excited as well to see where pvirt ends up after the buffs tomorrow - lots of cool stuff coming in that regard :D
@@gerilac86 then it will be unplayable in Open World.
He was at 1200 range... so I started blastin'!!!
muk thanks for featuring this spec bc it brings up a good discussion around the current pve meta. Whether it needs to be nerfed or other dps classes buffed, a large amount of instanced content disproportionately favors cvirt. I hope anet finds a way to balance either the content or the specs so that other builds can shine at the intermediary to expert levels of play, bc variety of skill expression is my favorite part of gw2
Hey Muk, do you mind making a video with your thoughts on the current state of sPVP?
I heard some of your live comments (with I very much agree on) on how PVP is not very fun right now for various reasons.
Greetings from Brazil.
Your shatter 4, the one that gives you evade for almost five seconds? It lets you swandive straight into the danger-puddle one of your blind teammates went down in and get them back up. Bonus points if you use this to revive your healer, because that means you probably just singlehandedly prevented a wipe. Just, uh, know which danger puddles do damage and which straight up kill you if you so much as touch them.
Another hot tip is that the signet that recharges your shatters is not all that necessary - take a utility instead! Projectile reflect, boon strip, condi cleanse, group stability or just straight up blink can be a lot more valuable in some fights than just another 5k DPS. Blink is especially great for learning a new boss, you get a license to fuck up slightly, to be traded for more DPS once you get gud.
I started Virtuoso early into SotO and loved it. My only gripe is the pink pips hud element needs to be moved somewhere else so I don’t spend my fight looking at my spell bar instead of the actual fight
That Gilgamesh thumbnail though 🔥
I mean timing was perfect cuz i bought EOD yesterday and as a mesmer main the swap between Mirage to was jarring of how easy it was to pick up so yeah. Its pretty great.
Honestly Mesmer in general has a lot of that bottom-left-minigame action when learning a build. It's kind of unavoidable.
F5= Bladeturn Requiem is your second strongest skill after F2...pretty important :D combined with distortion you can basically camp inside hitbox. Example: 98cm frac :D Do condi holo next please :) would like your opinion on it ;)
Just started learning it again yesterday after having one since start of SotO and got to about ~27k after trying the rota a few times and generally i agree with what you said the only thing i kinda disagree with is the flavor of the month since if we're being honest it still does pretty much the same damage since like start of SotO even the build is pretty similar the weapons are the same only switch afaik was from Viper to Sinister stats which both manage 30k+ dps.
But while going slightly off topic i had a discussion with a guildmate about how much Dps is really needed to not worry in almost any content we came to an understanding of 20k dps is what you should do simply because pretty much every dps no matter a/q or pure dps can deal that without to much issues tho im curious about how other people see it, if you Raid in a group is 20k enough for you to take them or should everyone strive for closer to 30k which would in turn significantly lower the amount of people since at least from my experience the majority of players are closer to ~20-25k even at a Golem type boss, and in the same question how much Dps really would be enough to clear every boss before enrage.
one of the things i love about cVirt, is it is incredible cheap to get starter gear that is strike/raid ready. So if i have an alt mesmer or a friend starting the game, you can get full rampager's exotic (Norgu's), the weapons (Moonshank, X7-10 Alpha, and Twin Talons), the agony + earth sigils, and exotic trinkets all for less than ~15g. The 6 Krait runes are a bit over 20g (the most expensive part). The back piece is (as always) weird and you might end up with like a lunar new year's one until you can get better.
This is even cheaper than a standard power build (scholar's runes + force & impact sigils) which is usually considered quite cheap.
Compare that to getting full viper + trapper runes + torment/bursting/malice sigils for most condi builds and you are passing 100g like it was nothing.
I made a cVert with no trinkets/rings ect just do complete some stuff towards a collection.. And compared to playing any style of an elementalist.. This build is super chill and good, even when you're not wearing half of the gear.
I played a version of this using Chaos instead of Dueling trait line. Almost the same damage and is even easier to play, no Signet of Midnight resetting
If you have played Virt long enough and have built a certain degree of muscle memory on it, the specialization is actually very fun to play. You will find that the skills flow in a very fluid manner with pleasing outcomes.
would be very nice for anet to allow us to customize the UI like we could in the OG guild wars. Especially for classes like mesmer/ revenant/ thief even..
If i could place the clone pips near the center of my screen next to my character and make them a little bigger maybe, it would be a lot easier to play these classes while being able to focus on the content
It's not crazy.
It's just awesome dps spec 😊
Does anyone know a good way to change the f1 to f10 skills to some way that is easier to use them. I use num pad above the letter keys to do skill 1 thro 10 so it’s too hard to use the f1 skills/tool belt so I’ll just use my mouse to click on them. But in something like wvw I need a easier button combo to access those f1 keys. I thought about ordering a small num pad on Amazon or a f1 to f10 num pad and putting in to the side of keyboard. Anyone that has tips to use the f1 skills plz lmk
Relic of zakiros would probably make this much more durable since we have 100% crit
Not really. Zakiros only applies to power damage, and 75% of your damage is condi. You already have much better damage>healing conversion from jagged mind, and you'd be losing some of that by dropping a condi damage relic.
don't forget about Jagged Edge, the 3% healing from condition damage is very good at making this even tankier than other specs
i love getting some healing based on damage on my characters and this is one i really like because it's included by default on meta builds
the first time im getting into condi virt
i just melted my gold down the drain, because i bought it off trading post and assume that condi = viper
im malding for hours losing like 50-60 golds that i farmed
good times
The rotation is actually super easy. One of the more intuitive rotations I’ve ever seen from a somewhat high APM build. I do also enjoy that it uses focus so I can group up trash when needed
remember you also convert 3% of outgoing condi dps into healing for yourself at the same time (so lets say 30k dps = 900 HP / s
the 30k damage isn't just bleeding
@@pedrovitor120 the bench is over 40k, most of which is bleeding folowed by confusion . like 80-90% of that is condi dmg
One thing that wasn't mentioned here is how punishing accidental weapon swaps are on this build. Swapping before using Sword 5 a second time guts your focus damage and you're stuck for a full swap cd without a damage buff and an extra phantasm. It's not difficult to keep in mind, but I personally will forget to wait that extra second before swapping to focus and I watch the dps meters shift around almost instantly. Still an easy, high damage build.
Nice reference muk
Was a Mesmer main for many a year, cVirt is peak mesmer DPS wise. Easiest DPS build I have ever played, PvP and PvE, PvE is already a cakewalk across the board, this is one of those builds that will trivialize a ton of content for you with little input or work. If you want to crank the DEEPS on Mesmer, Play cVirt. You'll have it down in a few days, tops. I promise. It's so easy. It was a ton of fun to play for a bit too until I got bored of it. I am no longer a Mesmer main, cVirt just kinda 'finished' mesmer for me haha.
Watch them nerf Engineers and Elementalists because of this video 😂
They're nerfing Holos next patch and then to compensate they're buffing the Grenade Kit, which is ubiquitous across all engi DPS builds because it's massively more powerful than other options, all while claming this is, "to bring them more in line with each other". You'd get better balance out of suggestions on a dart board :\
@@CuriousMoth Even after the nerf, power holo is still going to be better than power weaver and catalyst in every single way. I love weaver but power right now is really rough... Condi on the other hand is one of the best builds right now.
@@rektek2493 At this point elementalist is just waiting for spear, hopefully it won't be hard to play.
@@Mister5597 It's a catalyst-only weapon. Weaver won't really get to use it since the dual skills won't proc superior elements. Same with tempest since power tempest is a bit of a meme. That really annoys me, I love weaver but cata is just hell to play in actual non-golem fights.
@@CuriousMoth True true, im thankful with the Nade kit buff because finally QDPS Scrappers will finally have decent DPS
But dang they said they are buffing the under used engineer kits, but they end up buffing the one that is used the most lmfao
RIP Bomb kit, Gadget skills and Gadgeteer trait line
Just goes to show how some things work for some people and not for others - I find the Virtuoso to be lacklustre damage and incredibly fragile. I stick huge stacks of condi on mobs and they just shrug it off and then slap me in the face and down I go. It's supposed to heal on bleeds but it just doesn't and I really should have a look at her again and see if I can't fix either the build or figure out what I am not doing :chuckles:
Do Soulbeast sword/axe with no weapon swap. You can match this dps with much easier rotation, only mele though.
virt OP in fractals? are you high?
With all sinister gear i only manage to get to 57% of crit chance... what am i missing?
You need to supplement some Rampager pieces as they have Precision as a main stat. Even the meta builds use a mix of Sinister and Rampager.
@@SheenaMalfoy i did... and just realise i have a grieving ring.... that should do it.....
Rampagers
Condi builds always disappoint me, because they usually focus on single Conditions, so rather than being 'real' Condition builds, they're more like, 'It's a bleed build', or 'It's a torment build'.
It should be mentioned that swapping out utilities and the elite is a very minor dps loss. Tbh moa should be default on elite in endgame instanced content, since you need cc all the time.
You have enough CC in most instanced content without needing to take moa, just with F3 and sword/focus 4. The only place I ever default into taking moa on this build is sunqua CM for the sorrows.
@@kessy628 Enough if everyone would use the same amount, but that's often not the case. Usually you have to compensate for others. Unless you've never failed a cc check outside sunqua before lol
Oh 100% lol. If you need to compensate for others moa is def a good thing to take (I've also had scenarios where I swap illusions for mantra of distraction or sword of decimation). I'm personally just a fan of not doing that until I know I need it vs having more than needed as default.
0:30 That was foul 💀
Mukluk has to try both Li Power Mechanist and Li Condi Mechanist 🤣 I can't accept any less. Here are the builds:
Full Berserker, Sword/Pistol and Throw mines with all signets. You spam 234590 and set F1F2F3 to auto-cast. (9th skill is Throw Mines)
Full Vipers, Pistol/Pistol and Flamethrower turret with all signets. You spam 23490 and set F1F2F3 to auto-cast. (9th skill is Superconducting Signet)
Extra info:
Both builds are braindead simple without Kits.
I usually end up in top 3 DPS with both builds unless people actually know their classes which is rare in PUGs.
Condi Mech can swap Flamethrower turret for Bomb Kit with rotation Pistol 2 Bomb Kit 23 👍 easy way to learn Kits.
You could easily run 8 Mechanists runnign Li builds with Power and Condi variants and your overall dps would be better than 10kp PUG.
Alac Mech works best with Quickness build that proviced Aegis and Stability.
You doing condi mech
İ love this "i tried" series ❤
the accessibility option of dps builds
That thumbnail tho.. Gilgamesh love haha
the grass is always greener on the other side ^^
More like the flavour of the year.
The only thing to remember is to use your shatter skills when you have all five pips. Other than that,it is very stupidly easy to do. Though not as stupid easy as the old Power Mech was back in the day. Wish we could have that again.
I developed carpal tunnel syndrome from just listening to your keyboard taps while demonstrating this build. You should add a keylogger and register how many times you're smacking keys to take out the bot. Heck, might even save your hands in the long run to be aware of it on the stuff you play.
if you think this one will give you carpel tunnel try weaver
@@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929 oooh no! I'm not get anywhere near that.
i had to laugh so hard when you said f5 was a low prio skill. it's literally your second best skill in the entire kit after f2 xD
maybe more hints:
- virtuoso stocks blades by applying bleeding which you do by doing crits aka many hits. so your elite is only good damage, because it stocks a lot of blades. in other words: never use that when you have full blades, but right after a bladesong
- always start on sword, press 5 and immediately swap weapons. you waste a lot of time by just having more weapon skills available. that's the same thing on a lot of classes, but especially on cvirt even the sc guide says that the opener is just meant to put all your skills on cd as fast as possible.
- your signet of illusions is your lowest prio utility which you swap out first. in fact, pressing that button is almost negligible dps increase and even then, only if you know when to use it. for a normal player, you should never ever use that skill and instead use rain of swords, which is an instant cast aoe that just does damage
I had a guy doing 10k dps in raids on a cvirt lol...raid leader then told him to do boon chrono instead lmao
I see Gilgamesh, I approve
Compare it to condi mech. Basically same thing... Until they introduce spear, everyone will be forced to use spear, and it's no longer ranged...
Except the max range is 900, pistols barely cleave, half of the damage is melee, there is no 3% dmg to hp conversion and CC is nowhere near as good.
On the bright side, full signet condi mech with auto cast on F skills is REALLY easy to play, and at least the mech punch stuff when you are downed.
@@Mister5597 Mechanist has something better than dmg to HP conversion: passive healing that you don't have to ramp up, and which continues ticking even when the boss is immune or you have to switch targets. And in addition to the passive healing from the signet (which is buffed and continues ticking even if you use the signet because of J-Drive) you can take Big Boomer to get some more healing for a single button press, and I tested, it results in the same damage as Shrapnel. It's actually easier to stay alive on power mech with J-Drive+Big Boomer than on virtuoso when I'm doing Q2 pylons (condi mech would be the same in terms of survival, it just lacks the 2nd teleport/leap from the rifle, so only power mech can be used for the actual pylon mechanic).
For cleave you are running grenade or bomb kit which work very well for that.
900 range is true, but the only skill that requires you to get closer is pistol 4. If you run grenade kit, all your skills except for that one are 900 range. And virtuoso also has 1 skill that requires melee range.
For CC you can recall and then summon mech for 232, another 232 from F3 and you get slow, cripple, immobilize and chilled. It's not great, but virtuoso isn't great in terms of CC either, unless he gives up dps for moa, but that's a game that both can play, because if we start giving up dps, mech can also bring battering ram (2x232), thumper turret (232) or supply crate (200).
So yeah, with the standard builds (i.e. without doing adjustments for utilities for specific fights), condi mech and virtuoso are almost the same in terms of playstyle. Mech is just a bit lower in benchmark numbers, and 900 range instead of 1200.
P.S. Putting mech skills on auto-cast is a dps loss and you lose control over when you use some of your CC, so I wouldn't recommend doing that.
I think you should also mention how virtuosso is one of few self sustaining builds. Virtuosoo gets 3% life steal with Jagged Mind trait. It might not sound too powerful at first but it can be used for stuff like pylons on w7 which not many classes can do. Paired with Distortion you are unkillable machine.
Almost all of them can, you just need to sacc dps sometimes more sometimes less
If you're rating Reaper as easier to learn while reaching higher DPS in a fraction of the time on Virt, I probably don't know what "easier to learn" means - plus it's only the Golem difficulty. This gets even way better in comparison in real fights where being full range all time is just a big advantage. This class is too easy for what it does and should be nerfed IMO.
i hope they nerf the dagger: if you want to have 1200 range you should have to make trade offs
@@bosqueperennewell... The trade off is no cc at all, no defenses and a very squishy class.
Reaper is easier because there is a set rotation thats very simple to understand and learn. Its also extremely tanky and enables you to ignore most non one shot mechanics. Virtuoso on the other hand does not have a set rotation and requires you to make up your own rotation based on what abilities are up. Its also very easy on virtuoso to hit decent dps but if you actually want to go higher it gets very very hard very fast.
Reaper has a second health bar...?
@boutch1993 no defenses, except 5 seconds of invulnerability when being fully ranged and piercing isnt enough to dodge mechanics.
I only came here because of the Gilgamesh Thumbnail. That is all.
1200 range and it PIERCES
This is one of the few specs I can't outdps on Weaver on most fights, IF the Virtuoso knows what he's doing. Bear in mind the Virtuoso is incredibly low intensity while the Weaver is playing Flight of the Bumblebee.
Virtuoso is not low intensity, but it`s rotation is not that punishing if you mess things up.
@@procerator For me it is.
@@Jmvars your subjective feeling does not represent objective reality.
@@procerator no but that's what I was talking about all this time.
london spec
Hot take(maybe?): Do not nerf, bring a few other builds up to this level of fluidity, flexibility, and fun! It only tops DPS in real fights because it's great at maintaining pressure. This has been my TED talk 🎉
They haven't touched this build since release, it has been "they are going to nerf it next patch for sure" for the past 2 years.
Virtuoso getting more buffs is truly mind boggling
Feels a little broken but you get similar DPS on a build that gives quickness/alac?
But nah, I agree, it's my current main build currently as a pretty new player and it feels nice for most content.
You could easily get to 40k plus if you are getting better at it😊
Support DPS are lower than that. Even the absolute best are, what, 30k top ?
people were stacking it in CMs because it was literally broken and you could have 100% Distortion uptime.....which is why Anet has disabled distortion entirely for now.....Its still good, but there is a reason Cm progression died the day that bug was blocked.
what? no. people used it in cms because mesmer has a high amount of utility it can bring to the table, and also the ability to do its damage from 1200 range, while moving which is something not many classes are able to do... The bug was discovered recently and it was disabled nearly immediately. The cm progression has slowed because of the new expansion being a far more interesting topic than progression on an extremely difficult and low reward cm. get your facts straight, yikes.
Why is no one talking about the horrible item builds the class needs? It's the only class I've ever needed to use gear optimizer with. Almost none of its items is cross-compatible with other classes. You ALWAYS need to build a cvirt from scratch; there's no reusing old equipment. Having it be a mixture of prefixes is not fun at all. I used gear optimizer (really struggling with, mind you) to turn all my armor into rampagers and something like that. Oh, and you need to use weird food as well. Such a joke of a build path on this class!
It's one of the rare condi builds that still heavily relies on critical chance (to maximize the bleed trait) so mixed gears are sadly needed.
There's also Condi Willbender, who also needs to rely on crit, but not to this extent.
I feel that other classes should do more but not at the cost of Virtuoso (ie: nerf). It's ranged but ranged doesn't work in this game (you need the buffs) so the only use would be for when the boss teleports... which is not that incredible because it's still a condi build, so it's really fine that it can continue to apply the debuffs. This should be baseline in this game. If condi and ranged, it's fine. Also, the gear is not that easy to obtain, Muk has legendary gear all over, but it's not the reality for everyone. And when you get that gear, you can't share with any other class because it's very Virtuoso exclusive. Also, it's light armor, which has less defense than other classes. I think there are enough cons there to make it live longer. Also, buff other classes... it's time.
Literally just auto attack is 33k, how do u get 35k?
FOTM? more like FOTY.
LMAO
The most fair nerf that can be done to virt is adding range drop off. The further away you are the less damage you do. Simple, reasonable, and makes sense. You want 40K dps be in melee range you want 20k Dps stay out at 1200 units or something like that.
I enjoy your videos man but I always cringe when popular streamers advocate for nerfs. This is a pretty accessible build that has put instance combat into a lot of gamer's range. The damage, as you said, isn't free, there is constant button pressing and as others have pointed out, the rotation isn't complex but it isn't forgiving. The damage is not breaking anything so maybe before we start pushing to take something away that makes people happy we could consider elevating other builds to be more like this and make more people happy. Sure, balance competitive modes but for PvE I hope we can remember we're on the same team.
"Almost nothing requiring you to be within melee range." Except the party healer who only wants the group millimeters apart at most. Step away from the boss's teeth for a second and prepare for rage spam in chat.
This is the problem with this game ... that Damn Rotation .... It's not fun! Just record it on a macro key and let the game play itself in auto-mode.
There is absolutely no enjoyment in braindead repeating the same keys combination over and over and over.
Instead of making classes more situational where u know the right key when needed .... so you have to constantly adapt, you just have to perform the same "song" over and over again.
BORING TEDIOUS AND A GAME KILLER.
NCSOFT you killed this great game with all that Korean MMO BS you have pushed in.
Lineage 2 died for the same reasons !!
P.S. I tried to play this BS build, yes it performs ... but really i had to record the rotation not to develop carpal tunnel in 10 mins.
Then i reverted back to the mirage .
This looks mind numbingly boring visually and mechanically; why does anyone like this?