Not quite. The rebellion had been crushed at this point, and what remained was identifying and capturing the rebels. Very few were caught after the final battle, with the vast majority going underground into the community. Those that were identified ended up being transported to America, which was probably a better outcome than staying in Scotland.
In a 10th Doctor Titan comic, The Doctor states at one point that Jamie was his best friend. Just shows how much of a connection the two had with one another.
That was the way with the original series. Things moved on - kind of like life, actually. Now every time a companion leaves the emotion gets larded on with a trowel the size of a wheelbarrow.
This is the single most heart-wrenching scene in Doctor Who (for me at least), bar none. Seeing my favorite TARDIS crew ever, who have always been so happy together, and then having everything ripped away from them in a second. I hate that it happened, but I applaud Dicks and Hulke for having the guts to go through with it. With that said, I do consider the comics and Big Finish where Colin Baker reunites with Jamie and Zoe and finds that they remember him 100% canon, which softens the blow a little bit, but still... However, I think a simpler (and slightly happier) solution would have been if Jamie and Zoe were returned to their own times but were allowed to keep their memories of travelling with the Doctor, but not of any anachronistic knowledge they might have gained.
Yeah, if they could block out the Doctor's Knowledge of Time Travel, then this could have been easily done. I do think the way they did it made it more of a punishment for the Doctor, which is what they were trying to accomplish in the first place.
That's fair, but I've always thought that the Time Lords returned Jamie and Zoe home because they weren't in their own times, and they considered it their jobs to make things "right" with time.
In the five doctors, the erased memories became part of the plot as the Phantoms remembered the doctors. Essentially, Third Doctor was a break with the series prior formats, exile on earth. An individual from the past and from the future as companions in exile would have been anachronism, and as ian graham pointed out, the loss of his companions and their memories were a punishment, plus also demonstrated the power of the Time Lords.
Those surviving soldiers who were kidnapped from different wars in Earth's history must've had their memories erased from their being kidnapped by the War Chief & the War Lord after the Time Lords sent them home.
And from a different country!!! The Doc seems to always pick up modern companions from England only 😂 it would be nice to have him pick up like a native tribe leader from Papua new guinea in the 50s or something.
Absolutely! Even though most of my favourite companions just so happened to be modern day people (Liz Shaw, Sarah Jane, Ace, Martha, Donna) It is such a great part of the show for the Doctor to find different sorts of people throughout All of Time and Space Jack and Nardole have been the only exceptions in modern who. Ruby could certainly be a good companion, but i hope someone else comes along too to join her later on. It's also nice when the Doctor has 2 companions along for the ride too.
Feels sad, not just because this was goodbye to Zoe, Jamie and then the 2nd Doctor, but was also goodbye to the 60s black & white Doctor Who years. While it was great the show started recording in colour from 3rd Doctor onwards, there's something about the black & white episodes that has a sort of charm that isn't quite the same in colour episodes from the 70s and 80s.
Im on my first watch of Classic who and I’m on season 9 The Mutants. Even though the 60‘s looked a bit cheaper it still had its Charme. The 70‘s special effects look like I’m on a acid trip from time to time 😂
It’s my first watch of Classic Who and I managed to work myself through the first doctor completely and the 2nd. (Watched it with available episodes, animated ones and reconstructions) and im now on The Mutants from Season 9 of the 3rd Doctor. Even though I like the 3rd Doctor and Jo Grant and I’m still hung up on the 2nd Doctor, Jamie and Zoe… Something broke inside of me during War Games that keeps me from moving forward. Such powerful serial and ending of the 2nd Doctor
1:10 How "The Highlanders" was originally gonna end with Jamie saying goodbye to the Doctor, Ben and Polly as he wasn't intended to join the TARDIS crew at first. Wasn't til producer Innes Lloyd approached Frazer Hines about staying on as a regular cast member.
JAIME ZOE! COME BACK!!! Don't leave... please... *Sobs uncontrollably* Oh man this was heartbreaking. This is probably my favourite companion departure behind Tegan's if only for the cruel tragedy that Jaime and Zoe won't remember any of their adventures with The Doctor save for their first Adventure.
Well, if you count Big Finish they both eventually regain their memories towards the end of their lives. I know I count it; this whole scene breaks me into so many pieces.
Maybe because that the Doctor defended himself at his trial so well that the Time Lords decided to let him see Jamie & Zoe return to Earth & their own times to show that they‘ll be alright,though they‘ll only remember their 1st adventure with the Doctor.
If anything, I find that a punishment. Seeing two people you care about develop and grow through many, many adventures, and then being forced to see them put back at square 1...
I hate the way the Time Lords erased Jamie and Zoe's memories of their time with the Dr that was cruel but the Time Lords felt it necessary if that could be done in real life sending people back in time and stopping them making mistakes they regret and or doing things they wish they had done would not be bad
They want to create equilibrium in the universe. Altering peoples memories to make them choose the right decision would mean interfering in time, which is why they punish the Doctor It's also the Doctors argument that they have great power but refuse to use it for good
the 6th Doctor goes on an adventure with Jamie who's now an old man, they go to a planet and face the Cybermen and Jamie dies, saying. "I'll not let you down Doctor, I never have!"
Everybody's first Doctor and Companions are their favorite. Most Americans my age liked Tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladen because they were the first Doctor and Companion they saw on Public Television.
When i saw this for the first time it was really lovely to see that the characters litterally went full circle, but it was not nice to watch, especially "i thought i forgotten something important but its nothing".
“They leave because they should or because they find someone els. And some of them, some of them forget me. I suppose in the end, they break my heart.”
Evidently you would have to be spectacularly unlucky to be hit by even the most carefully-aimed smoothbore musket at anything over about 80 yards. Their main effectiveness was in volley fire rather than sharp shooting.
Wasn't there a 'non-canon' reference somewhere in which the Doctor implied that he'd given Jamie and Zoe some sort of 'counter-brainwashing' so that the Time Lords would think their memories had been erasd, when they actually remembered everything?
Sort of, there's an audio called 'Second Chances' featuring Zoe sort of regaining her memory... hope that helps! tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Chances_(audio_story)
Even if the Doctor, Jamie & Zoe tried to get away in the TARDIS again while the Time Lords were deciding what the Doctor's punishment will be for interfering in the Universe's affairs, they wouldn't get away anyway because the Time Lords can control a TARDIS from afar, which is what they did to bring the Doctor back home after they answered his call for help to return soldiers from Earth's different wars back to their own times.
Oliver Linklater I don't see it as worthless; it makes it more tragic. It's one thing to die, but another entirely to lose all of that aforementioned character development. It's like saying a character that died was wasted character development.
Good that when Jamie returned to 18th Century Earth in Scotland, his homeland, that no-one had seen him exiting the SIDRAT that he and Zoe were sent into by the Time Lords before the Doctor was told what his fate will be for stealing and TARDIS and interfering in the affairs of the Universe. It must've been sad for Jamie to see Zoe exit first after she got sent back to her own time just before she left with the Doctor & Jamie and then it was Jamie's turn to return home just before he went away with the Doctor.
Good thing that Jamie didn‘t strike back against the Time Lords as he,Zoe and the Doctor tried to get away before the Doctor was going to be told his punishment for interfering in the Universe‘s affairs after stealing a TARDIS. Jamie would‘ve gotten severly punished for that. Good thing he and Zoe weren‘t punished for the Doctor fighting evil everywhere he went while he was uncaught.
The way the Doctor stares after the Time Lord after he just casually says “you’ve basically been erased from your friends’ lives lol”. Just resigned disgust.
Jamie & Zoe were lucky that the Time Lords decided not to have them severely punished for helping the Doctor interfere in the affairs of other planets,though they were fighting against evil and injustice. Good that they returned to their own times safe and sound without any trouble,except for their memories of the adventures with the Doctor erased but their 1st meeting with him.
Have we just now witnessed a split in the timeline allready and so early in the doctors story? I mean obviously Zoe remembers Jamie and the doctor where togheter when they came to her but than there we see Jamie back in his time and if we assume what they sayed was right he has been transported bsck to the time after his first adventure with the doctor but didn't go with him than....alldough it is only the tempering of someones mind and memories...so in that case evrything still happened the way it was but only they can't remember it and are now living theyr normal lifes from that point onward.....but doas this mean they have essentially cut short the time they lived beeing as the adventures even dough happened in diffrend timeperiods the residents of the tardis are not imune to aging are they not and since there where so many adventure they had shurely the must have traveled toghter (speaking of the time in theyr lifespann since obviously jumping from time to time means that theoretically speaking they have spend over a decade traveling so the flow of time can not be acounted as such therefore we are speaking here of time in cases of lifespanns) at least a year now haven't they?
Good thing that the Time Lords didn't bother to look for the other companions the Doctor had traveling with him in the TARDIS he stole and erase their memories of their adventures with him after what happened to Jamie & Zoe when they were returned to their own times on Earth a moment before they left with the Doctor and erased their memories except for their 1st adventure with him.
Exactly. Ben and Polly were fine where they were when they left the Doctor's side because it was the exact same point in time when they first left so in a way no harm there. And if they did the process to Victoria, oh man, that would just be cruel. In the cases of Jamie, Zoe, Ben, and Polly they still had links to their respective time zones with all their friend's comrades and even enemies. Victoria meanwhile, all her links are gone and only sleep in her mind and besides the main reason she came aboard the TARDIS was because the events of the evil of the Daleks had left her with no family to return to and her father asked the Doctor to take care of her. Eventually, she found peace after spending a difficult but brilliant life with the Doctor and Jamie and settled with the Harris' beginning the next chapter of her life. Taking her out of her new time and sending her back to victorian times would just not be right at all because it would mean that all the difficult times she went through were all for nothing.
Jamie was wise not to punch those Time Lords who prosecuted the Doctor for interfering in the Universe's affairs when he and Zoe had been sent home to Earth and their own times a moment before they left. They were too powerful for him to defeat after seeing them dispose of the War Lord after he got found guilty of taking soldiers from Earth's different wars to use to conquer the galaxy and got executed with those guards who came to the Doctor's home planet in a SIDRAT to save the War Lord, which was in vain.
Even if Zoe did cry in front of the Time Lords begging them to let the Doctor go free,they wouldn‘t grant her request and she and Jamie would still be sent back to Earth and their own times anyway.
Good thing the Time Lords allowed the Doctor to see that Jamie & Zoe were returned to their own times a moment before they went away with him. It's odd that they were back in the same clothes they wore when they went away with the Doctor.
And now we see, if Donna is haaving feeling something is missing, Zoe can definitely logic her way out of a memory block. I'm just throwing out ideas for the Season 6 blue ray trailler.
1:37 I think they should changed that bit Too has the doctor gone Because if jimmy has supposed to have also lost his Memory of the doctor then you know
As much as I liked "The War Games," this scene is why I am content to have watched it once and never again. This was absolutely wrenching. OTOH, I have watched the "Tales of the TARDIS" with Jamie and Zoe so many times I've lost count.
Im working my way through Dr Who from the start on iplayer, and im now up to John Pertwee but it just doesnt feel the same in colour. Black and white made Dr Who a lot creepier in my opinion. Sad ending this but glad they both lived for us to only wonder how their lives may have turned out.
This episode would scar so many Whovians of that era - that they'd write novels and comics for *decades* about how Jamie and the Doctor somehow kept working together before the Second Doctor finally regenerated Just so Jamie wouldn't have to forget the Doctor
The three High Council timelords send Jamie and Zoe back to their own time zones before dealing with the Second Doctor. The High Council timelords (one of them Goth played by Bernard Horsfall) had the Supreme War Lord (played by Philip Madoc) executed for his actions although he had the War Chief (played by Edward Brayshaw) executed for his unacceptable behaviour.
The saddest part of the War Games storyline is the Doctor , Jamie and Zoe all left , you can see the saddest in their eyes, I wonder if they should have kept both Jamie and Zoe with the 3rd Doctor so to keep something from the past , because all you see is the 3rd Doctor stumbling out the Tardis and falling to the ground and he’s on his own. By keeping Zoe and Jamie on I think would have been a better choice for a season and then the new companions would have come into future storylines down the line . But thats how it was done but it could have been extremely interesting……
Even if The Doctor,Jamie & Zoe did get into the TARDIS to try to get away from the Time Lords before the prosecution council decided on the Doctor‘s punishment for interfering in the affairs of the Universe,would they really get far away from them?
After Jamie and Zoe were returned to their own times,they were back wearing the same clothes they were wearing when they started traveling with the Doctor,even though they''ll only remember no more than their 1st adventure with him.
I’m just gonna say it, there has never been another male companion as good as Jamie after this episode. Most of the other female companions were all great, but when it came to the men, Ian and Jamie were the only good ones. Edit: and Steven, he was good too
I thought Steven was a good successor to Ian in that regard. I also really liked Jack (and Rory to a lesser extent) from New Who, but he didn't have nearly as much time as a companion as the rest. You're right that none of them hold a candle to Jamie, though.
The Time Lords erased your memories of the time you spent with me so how do you know who we are?. Well actually they remember thier first adventure together so even by remembering the doctor there is no way Jamie and Zoe would recognise the Brigadier in the Five Doctors...
If Zoe cried in front of the 3 Time Lords who prosecuted the Doctor and pleaded with them to let him go and let him continue to take her and Jamie to travel the Universe as long as they want,the prosecution council would respond no whether their response would be politely or not.
'I thought I'd forgotten something important but it's nothing' that is such a heartbreaking line
“Some of them forget about me… I suppose in the end… they break my heart….”
I feel the new series needs to do something with Zoe/Jamie to rectify this sad ending whilst the actors are still alive.
@@minicle426 Rectify? It's perfect drama!!
@@minicle426 good news.
@@minicle426 They came back for a "Tales of the Tardis" special
It's especially sad when you realise Jamie's been sent back into a war on the losing side.
Not quite. The rebellion had been crushed at this point, and what remained was identifying and capturing the rebels. Very few were caught after the final battle, with the vast majority going underground into the community. Those that were identified ended up being transported to America, which was probably a better outcome than staying in Scotland.
In a 10th Doctor Titan comic, The Doctor states at one point that Jamie was his best friend. Just shows how much of a connection the two had with one another.
Which one was that ? Comic not the audiobook.
@@MustafaTurgutDenizer weeping angels of mons was the comic
A bit late but the 10th uses Jamie’s full name in werewolf episode
_”Our lives are different to anybody else's. That's the exciting thing! There's nobody in the universe can do what we're doing."_
i like how the doctor laughs at the fact that jamie is about kill somebody
That a funny story for jamie
Good ol' Jamie!
he probably won't. He will get that "funny" feeling as if it's wrong to do so. But he wouldn't know why
"I won't forget you"
"They'll forget me won't they?"
nothing overblown with a big send off. just a very bitter-sweet "goodbye jamie.... goodbye" i love it
That was the way with the original series. Things moved on - kind of like life, actually.
Now every time a companion leaves the emotion gets larded on with a trowel the size of a wheelbarrow.
Zoe would remember Jamie, but Jamie wouldn't remember Zoe. :'(
But Jamie did remember Ben Jackson & Polly even after he returned home.
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Or Victoria, who Jamie had a love interest in. He would also forget his entire time with the doctor, pretty much the entire life of the second doctor
@@Matt-uv9lr not entirely as they have sayed they still retain the memorys of having met the seccond doctor and theyr first adventure with him
Jamie will atleast Remember Ben and Polly. Sadly he will forget about Victoria who he fancied and Zoe
Jamie left the show, and there was never another companion quite like him ever again
Rory?
Captain Jack Harkness?
K-9?
@@WindyREDPanda All those companions were definitely good (except K9), but none of them had the chemistry the 2nd doctor had with Jamie
@@powersonic0123 why not k9?
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The WindyREDPanda Rory compared to Jamie is a joke!
Watching that redcoat momentarily attempt to reload than immediately turn to running in fear is probably the greatest thing I've ever seen
What gets me is the little break in Frazier's voice on "I won't forget you."
And there goes the best tardis team
It's sad how you can see, even though the Doctor laughs at Jamie, he's pained when he is brought back to reality.
This is the single most heart-wrenching scene in Doctor Who (for me at least), bar none. Seeing my favorite TARDIS crew ever, who have always been so happy together, and then having everything ripped away from them in a second. I hate that it happened, but I applaud Dicks and Hulke for having the guts to go through with it.
With that said, I do consider the comics and Big Finish where Colin Baker reunites with Jamie and Zoe and finds that they remember him 100% canon, which softens the blow a little bit, but still...
However, I think a simpler (and slightly happier) solution would have been if Jamie and Zoe were returned to their own times but were allowed to keep their memories of travelling with the Doctor, but not of any anachronistic knowledge they might have gained.
Yeah, if they could block out the Doctor's Knowledge of Time Travel, then this could have been easily done. I do think the way they did it made it more of a punishment for the Doctor, which is what they were trying to accomplish in the first place.
That's fair, but I've always thought that the Time Lords returned Jamie and Zoe home because they weren't in their own times, and they considered it their jobs to make things "right" with time.
In the five doctors, the erased memories became part of the plot as the Phantoms remembered the doctors. Essentially, Third Doctor was a break with the series prior formats, exile on earth. An individual from the past and from the future as companions in exile would have been anachronism, and as ian graham pointed out, the loss of his companions and their memories were a punishment, plus also demonstrated the power of the Time Lords.
I wish the TV series would properly address this. They've brought back past companions in the revival, why not these two?
Those surviving soldiers who were kidnapped from different wars in Earth's history must've had their memories erased from their being kidnapped by the War Chief & the War Lord after the Time Lords sent them home.
Who says that the old series had no emotion! This is still touching even after watching it many times.
Even the first doctor had emotional scenes like when Ian and Barbara left or when he had to say goodbye to Susan.. or his regeneration
People who were raised on RTD's sappy in your face soap operas and Murray Gold's loud intrusive music? :P
@@GLBizzieOr The ending of the massacre where he's thinking about going back home because all of his friends have left him
@@minicle426You mean their actual direct Is emotional story telling
From what i've seen it's all kind Of the same when it comes to the emotions
@@minicle426 I can understand having criticisms with the new series, but Murray Gold's music is lovely, especially in Heaven Sent
"She'll be alright, won't she?' 😭😭
Really wish we had more companions from different era in time. Virtually all the companion in modern day Dr Who are modern people.
I've been saying exactly this as well. I actually hope Ruby Sunday is from the late ‘70s or ‘80s.
An alien conpanion would make a refreshing change
And from a different country!!! The Doc seems to always pick up modern companions from England only 😂 it would be nice to have him pick up like a native tribe leader from Papua new guinea in the 50s or something.
Absolutely! Even though most of my favourite companions just so happened to be modern day people (Liz Shaw, Sarah Jane, Ace, Martha, Donna)
It is such a great part of the show for the Doctor to find different sorts of people throughout All of Time and Space
Jack and Nardole have been the only exceptions in modern who.
Ruby could certainly be a good companion, but i hope someone else comes along too to join her later on.
It's also nice when the Doctor has 2 companions along for the ride too.
It's because the modern showrunners are terrified of not having a "relatable" companion. Hence we get current day earth girl every single time.
Feels sad, not just because this was goodbye to Zoe, Jamie and then the 2nd Doctor, but was also goodbye to the 60s black & white Doctor Who years. While it was great the show started recording in colour from 3rd Doctor onwards, there's something about the black & white episodes that has a sort of charm that isn't quite the same in colour episodes from the 70s and 80s.
Im on my first watch of Classic who and I’m on season 9 The Mutants. Even though the 60‘s looked a bit cheaper it still had its Charme. The 70‘s special effects look like I’m on a acid trip from time to time 😂
they had just gotten the chance to broadcast in color, surely they had to make the most of it 😅
This makes season 6 so much harder to watch knowing it is all erased at the end
Actually s6 has the 2nd least episode missing with 7 episodes
The the most least is s2 with 2 missing episodes and the 3rd least is s1 with 9 episodes
@@GlennSkywalker2305 I'm on about their memories being erased.
@@GhostLightPhilosophy LOL come to think of it, I guess the BBC erasing so much of Jamie's adventures gives us a taste of his ultimate fate.
It’s my first watch of Classic Who and I managed to work myself through the first doctor completely and the 2nd. (Watched it with available episodes, animated ones and reconstructions) and im now on The Mutants from Season 9 of the 3rd Doctor. Even though I like the 3rd Doctor and Jo Grant and I’m still hung up on the 2nd Doctor, Jamie and Zoe… Something broke inside of me during War Games that keeps me from moving forward. Such powerful serial and ending of the 2nd Doctor
1:10 How "The Highlanders" was originally gonna end with Jamie saying goodbye to the Doctor, Ben and Polly as he wasn't intended to join the TARDIS crew at first. Wasn't til producer Innes Lloyd approached Frazer Hines about staying on as a regular cast member.
JAIME ZOE! COME BACK!!!
Don't leave... please... *Sobs uncontrollably*
Oh man this was heartbreaking. This is probably my favourite companion departure behind Tegan's if only for the cruel tragedy that Jaime and Zoe won't remember any of their adventures with The Doctor save for their first Adventure.
Well, if you count Big Finish they both eventually regain their memories towards the end of their lives. I know I count it; this whole scene breaks me into so many pieces.
R.I.P. Trevor Martin (1930 - 5 October 2017).
At least it was decent of the Time Lords to let the Doctor see Jamie & Zoe return to their own times a moment before they went away with him.
I was honestly surprised they did that. I cannot recall the Time Lords in the classic series to be a patient bunch.
Maybe because that the Doctor defended himself at his trial so well that the Time Lords decided to let him see Jamie & Zoe return to Earth & their own times to show that they‘ll be alright,though they‘ll only remember their 1st adventure with the Doctor.
If anything, I find that a punishment. Seeing two people you care about develop and grow through many, many adventures, and then being forced to see them put back at square 1...
I hate the way the Time Lords erased Jamie and Zoe's memories of their time with the Dr that was cruel but the Time Lords felt it necessary if that could be done in real life sending people back in time and stopping them making mistakes they regret and or doing things they wish they had done would not be bad
They want to create equilibrium in the universe. Altering peoples memories to make them choose the right decision would mean interfering in time, which is why they punish the Doctor
It's also the Doctors argument that they have great power but refuse to use it for good
This was heartbreaking. My favorite Doctor and my favorite companions.
If I was in that situation, I would hug the doctor for a full hour!
R.I.P. Derrick Sherwin (16 April 1932 - 17 October 2018) (Producer).
Didn't know Derrick Sherwin died. That's sad R.I.P. Mr. Sherwin.
Not tears. Definitely not crying over the loss of my favourite TARDIS team. Not crying at all.
Best Tardis Team ever!!!!!! These 3 together still my favorite. Even with 45 years after them. Still the best Tardis team!
the 6th Doctor goes on an adventure with Jamie who's now an old man, they go to a planet and face the Cybermen and Jamie dies, saying.
"I'll not let you down Doctor, I never have!"
Everybody's first Doctor and Companions are their favorite. Most Americans my age liked Tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladen because they were the first Doctor and Companion they saw on Public Television.
When i saw this for the first time it was really lovely to see that the characters litterally went full circle, but it was not nice to watch, especially "i thought i forgotten something important but its nothing".
“They leave because they should or because they find someone els. And some of them, some of them forget me. I suppose in the end, they break my heart.”
😢
Imagine if the Red Coat actually shot Jamie there...
To be honest I thought Jamie was going to get shot by that British soldier
That would have been quite the ending to this story.
Me too.. Thank God it didn‘t Ended like this
Evidently you would have to be spectacularly unlucky to be hit by even the most carefully-aimed smoothbore musket at anything over about 80 yards. Their main effectiveness was in volley fire rather than sharp shooting.
While I think that failed
I love how the soldier is forced to abandon his reload and flee
I was 6 years old watching this at the time, very sad it did feel in my child mind that Dr Who was over.
Wasn't there a 'non-canon' reference somewhere in which the Doctor implied that he'd given Jamie and Zoe some sort of 'counter-brainwashing' so that the Time Lords would think their memories had been erasd, when they actually remembered everything?
I don't know, but I desperately hope that's true.
Sort of, there's an audio called 'Second Chances' featuring Zoe sort of regaining her memory... hope that helps!
tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Chances_(audio_story)
Who’s here because of the “tales of the tardis” spin-off announcement?
They remember!
Kind of unsettling that the unnamed Magistrate Time Lord here may be the same one that we know as Chancellor Goth in the Deadly Assassin (same actor).
Even if the Doctor, Jamie & Zoe tried to get away in the TARDIS again while the Time Lords were deciding what the Doctor's punishment will be for interfering in the Universe's affairs, they wouldn't get away anyway because the Time Lords can control a TARDIS from afar, which is what they did to bring the Doctor back home after they answered his call for help to return soldiers from Earth's different wars back to their own times.
The fact they can force the tardis or fuck up a tardis so easily is just as horrifing
I've met Wendy Padbury. She was lovely. I hate how all the character development over 3 seasons was totally worthless
Oliver Linklater I don't see it as worthless; it makes it more tragic. It's one thing to die, but another entirely to lose all of that aforementioned character development. It's like saying a character that died was wasted character development.
+Greppellio agreed
Man, this is still sad, I really loved this trio.
Still breaks my heart watching this scene. Even now I can't watch it without wanting to cry.
Good that when Jamie returned to 18th Century Earth in Scotland, his homeland, that no-one had seen him exiting the SIDRAT that he and Zoe were sent into by the Time Lords before the Doctor was told what his fate will be for stealing and TARDIS and interfering in the affairs of the Universe. It must've been sad for Jamie to see Zoe exit first after she got sent back to her own time just before she left with the Doctor & Jamie and then it was Jamie's turn to return home just before he went away with the Doctor.
I love Jamie why did he have to go :’(
Can you upload the clips from the Five Doctors where Second meets with Jamie and Zoe (both transmitted and SE)?
Since the Time Lords wiped out the memories, I guess Jamie will never remember not just Zoe but also Ben, Polly and Victoria. Which is a sad moment
Good thing that Jamie didn‘t strike back against the Time Lords as he,Zoe and the Doctor tried to get away before the Doctor was going to be told his punishment for interfering in the Universe‘s affairs after stealing a TARDIS. Jamie would‘ve gotten severly punished for that. Good thing he and Zoe weren‘t punished for the Doctor fighting evil everywhere he went while he was uncaught.
And people say Rose has the saddest ending.
I'm not one of those people. Rose got it better than most other companions, especially with her Tennant clone...
Not everything in the bloated, plastic, necrophilliac NuWho is “the greatest” just because it’s loud with lots of CGI and overblown dramatics.
The way the Doctor stares after the Time Lord after he just casually says “you’ve basically been erased from your friends’ lives lol”. Just resigned disgust.
They both would latter return in the audio drama’s where their memories eventually return.
The second doctor is cool but this is a sad scene for me :(
Jamie & Zoe were lucky that the Time Lords decided not to have them severely punished for helping the Doctor interfere in the affairs of other planets,though they were fighting against evil and injustice. Good that they returned to their own times safe and sound without any trouble,except for their memories of the adventures with the Doctor erased but their 1st meeting with him.
They got off better than Peri...
I don't know about Zoe, but honestly you can't really call returning to 18th century a happy ending in any way, you really can't
Have we just now witnessed a split in the timeline allready and so early in the doctors story? I mean obviously Zoe remembers Jamie and the doctor where togheter when they came to her but than there we see Jamie back in his time and if we assume what they sayed was right he has been transported bsck to the time after his first adventure with the doctor but didn't go with him than....alldough it is only the tempering of someones mind and memories...so in that case evrything still happened the way it was but only they can't remember it and are now living theyr normal lifes from that point onward.....but doas this mean they have essentially cut short the time they lived beeing as the adventures even dough happened in diffrend timeperiods the residents of the tardis are not imune to aging are they not and since there where so many adventure they had shurely the must have traveled toghter (speaking of the time in theyr lifespann since obviously jumping from time to time means that theoretically speaking they have spend over a decade traveling so the flow of time can not be acounted as such therefore we are speaking here of time in cases of lifespanns) at least a year now haven't they?
Good thing that the Time Lords didn't bother to look for the other companions the Doctor had traveling with him in the TARDIS he stole and erase their memories of their adventures with him after what happened to Jamie & Zoe when they were returned to their own times on Earth a moment before they left with the Doctor and erased their memories except for their 1st adventure with him.
Exactly.
Ben and Polly were fine where they were when they left the Doctor's side because it was the exact same point in time when they first left so in a way no harm there.
And if they did the process to Victoria, oh man, that would just be cruel. In the cases of Jamie, Zoe, Ben, and Polly they still had links to their respective time zones with all their friend's comrades and even enemies. Victoria meanwhile, all her links are gone and only sleep in her mind and besides the main reason she came aboard the TARDIS was because the events of the evil of the Daleks had left her with no family to return to and her father asked the Doctor to take care of her. Eventually, she found peace after spending a difficult but brilliant life with the Doctor and Jamie and settled with the Harris' beginning the next chapter of her life. Taking her out of her new time and sending her back to victorian times would just not be right at all because it would mean that all the difficult times she went through were all for nothing.
Jamie was wise not to punch those Time Lords who prosecuted the Doctor for interfering in the Universe's affairs when he and Zoe had been sent home to Earth and their own times a moment before they left. They were too powerful for him to defeat after seeing them dispose of the War Lord after he got found guilty of taking soldiers from Earth's different wars to use to conquer the galaxy and got executed with those guards who came to the Doctor's home planet in a SIDRAT to save the War Lord, which was in vain.
That shit hurted.
Jamie is kind of very funny
Anyone else here coz of Outlander?
Even if Zoe did cry in front of the Time Lords begging them to let the Doctor go free,they wouldn‘t grant her request and she and Jamie would still be sent back to Earth and their own times anyway.
Good that the Time Lords didn't use force on Jamie & Zoe to get into a SIDRAT to return them to their own times on Earth.
Que guay..Es el origen de todo
Good thing the Time Lords allowed the Doctor to see that Jamie & Zoe were returned to their own times a moment before they went away with him. It's odd that they were back in the same clothes they wore when they went away with the Doctor.
Well it would make no sense if they didn't
They remember their First adventure with him when he met both separately.. But they don‘t remember ever leaving with him in the Tardis
Their need to be more companions from the past. Just far back enough to have their minds blown by Pizza .
And now we see, if Donna is haaving feeling something is missing, Zoe can definitely logic her way out of a memory block. I'm just throwing out ideas for the Season 6 blue ray trailler.
These Time Lords the Doctors own people he's facing aren't to be trusted!
The Serial Saw Departure Of Second Doctor Jamie & Zoe
Imagine if Jamie got shot
1:37 I think they should changed that bit Too has the doctor gone Because if jimmy has supposed to have also lost his Memory of the doctor then you know
It's Jamie not jimmy
I know autocorrect
Even if Zoe had cried in front of the Time Lords and asked them to let the Doctor go, they wouldn't grant her request.
As much as I liked "The War Games," this scene is why I am content to have watched it once and never again. This was absolutely wrenching. OTOH, I have watched the "Tales of the TARDIS" with Jamie and Zoe so many times I've lost count.
Im working my way through Dr Who from the start on iplayer, and im now up to John Pertwee but it just doesnt feel the same in colour. Black and white made Dr Who a lot creepier in my opinion. Sad ending this but glad they both lived for us to only wonder how their lives may have turned out.
This episode would scar so many Whovians of that era - that they'd write novels and comics for *decades* about how Jamie and the Doctor somehow kept working together before the Second Doctor finally regenerated
Just so Jamie wouldn't have to forget the Doctor
The three High Council timelords send Jamie and Zoe back to their own time zones before dealing with the Second Doctor. The High Council timelords (one of them Goth played by Bernard Horsfall) had the Supreme War Lord (played by Philip Madoc) executed for his actions although he had the War Chief (played by Edward Brayshaw) executed for his unacceptable behaviour.
So the Meddling Monk the Master as well any others Kanpo ?
This is so sad
The saddest part of the War Games storyline is the Doctor , Jamie and Zoe all left , you can see the saddest in their eyes, I wonder if they should have kept both Jamie and Zoe with the 3rd Doctor so to keep something from the past , because all you see is the 3rd Doctor stumbling out the Tardis and falling to the ground and he’s on his own.
By keeping Zoe and Jamie on I think would have been a better choice for a season and then the new companions would have come into future storylines down the line .
But thats how it was done but it could have been extremely interesting……
So sad
Even if The Doctor,Jamie & Zoe did get into the TARDIS to try to get away from the Time Lords before the prosecution council decided on the Doctor‘s punishment for interfering in the affairs of the Universe,would they really get far away from them?
0:49 Wait question... was that the original type 40 design or is that another thing?
S.I.D.R.A.T, Tardis spelt backwards, limited to options of time travel and destination smaller on the inside
@@michaelmartin1644 oh thanks
After Jamie and Zoe were returned to their own times,they were back wearing the same clothes they were wearing when they started traveling with the Doctor,even though they''ll only remember no more than their 1st adventure with him.
Zoey was so cute. Victoria too (not here).
Zoe In facts meat the doctor again in big finish and Jamie meat the sixth doctor
I’m just gonna say it, there has never been another male companion as good as Jamie after this episode. Most of the other female companions were all great, but when it came to the men, Ian and Jamie were the only good ones.
Edit: and Steven, he was good too
I thought Steven was a good successor to Ian in that regard. I also really liked Jack (and Rory to a lesser extent) from New Who, but he didn't have nearly as much time as a companion as the rest. You're right that none of them hold a candle to Jamie, though.
The Time Lords erased your memories of the time you spent with me so how do you know who we are?. Well actually they remember thier first adventure together so even by remembering the doctor there is no way Jamie and Zoe would recognise the Brigadier in the Five Doctors...
The doctor will still sometimes use the name James or Jamie Mcrimmon when he finds himself in Scotland
If Zoe cried in front of the 3 Time Lords who prosecuted the Doctor and pleaded with them to let him go and let him continue to take her and Jamie to travel the Universe as long as they want,the prosecution council would respond no whether their response would be politely or not.