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With David Tennant having taken his final journey as nation's favourite Time Lord, here are some more classic regeneration clips from the Doctor's previous incarnations. Patrick Troughton's time as the Second Doctor was brought to an end when the Doctor was sentenced to exile on Earth and told to take on a new appearance by the Time Lords. Watch more high quality videos on the new BBC Worldwide UA-cam channel here: / bbcworldwide
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I always felt sorry for the second doctor. He's the only one to have his regeneration forced, rather than dying. It's very depressing hearing him yell no over again at the end.
Which is why I hate The Time Lords.
I Agree
lex videos Eight died with the spaceship crash. He was briefly revived by the Sisters of Karn to artificially modify his regeneration into the War Doctor. Nothing forced there
Nedyah74 "Forced" is a very kind word here... its really the Doctor's second life being executed.
And people say 10th's is the saddest. Lol.
Imagine if the show was cancelled after this episode. I think this would be one the most depressing endings to a show ever.
Imagine the Cry of Fans if the Main Character Survived or Not.
Conrado Javier He survived.. Didn’t u listened? He was sent into exile with a new face lmao OFC he survived
@@GLBizzie I meant had it been Cancelled.
If Dr Who had been cancelled after this episode we would have lost every subsequent Dr starting with Jon Pertwee ETC I was born in 1969 2 months before this episode was broadcast and I would never have seen Dr Who I grew up with Tom Baker as Dr Who and when Dr Who was cancelled in 1989 the year I turned 20 I was well and truly hacked off and IMO Dr Who has not really returned even since 2005 with Chris Eccleston and every actor since to me Dr Who is sadly dead and gone
EloimFizzy - you should check out the ending of Sapphire And Steel - it's actually been compared to how the ending of The War Games pt10 would have seemed had that been the last ever episode.
This is unintentionally very dark if you think about it. The actors and production team could only really work with the knowledge they had, the rules and nature of regeneration had yet to be worked out, so at the time it was really was just a 'change in appearence'. Now we know so much more about it, that the Doctor's punishment was basically execution and the forced ending of one his lives. The only way therefore to interpret the Doctor's reaction, indignation, is that he's temporarily gone into denial at the extremes to which his people have gone to punish him. Basically, 'we're killing you in two minutes then dumping you on a back water where you'll never bother us again unless we need you'.
That's why it's well into the 4th Doctor's run, before it seemed like he'd actually moved past his anger at the timelords.
That’s true because as every Doctor dies, his personality dies too and is replaced by another so yeah the Second Doctor was given a death sentence.
Going off of more recent episodes, death on Gallifrey is treated more as a case of "man flu". And while the Doctor's obviously not going to see it that way, he's never exactly meshed well with Gallifreyan society. Hell, even his first and most Time Lord-y incarnation saw fit to hijack a TARDIS and bail.
Gavin Lafferty pfft, “Exile”
Kaagh178 so, originally its change in appearance, not having a part of a time lord die?
The saddest and most haunting regeneration.
jack reynolds because it was forced. the second didn't die, was somewhat "killed" by his own kind.
"I don't want to go"
It's mostly sad how comical he's being, trying to shrug it off as if it was a stupid joke; then he swirls into the distance crying 'NO NO No no... no...' as if he'd finally realised what's going on.
You say that and could be right yet others, perhaps much younger would say “Logopolis”, the final story to feature Troughton’s later successor Tom Baker
caused by execution
Patrick tried to inject a little levity into it, but the scene is just so dark. What an unmerited end to a version of the Doctor that was so kind and had done so much good. He was portrayed not as a stodgy fatherly figure but rather as everyone's goofy uncle with a heart of gold. It was a grave injustice and the Timelord CIA Agents come off as infuriating, self righteous jerks--which means the actors playing them did a good job!! I firmly believe that if the Troughton years were more complete and shown on tv more, his Doctor would be loved by many more people.
The only thing more sadder than this scene was the decision to wiped/burn most of his episodes.
They weren't disposed of they were stolen from the archives
@@MichaelM28 yeah they were wiped or destroyed. Any news yet I'm in finding any other episodes? Haven't really heard anything since 2013
*just under half of his episodes. It's sad enough that so many of his episodes no longer exist, so there's no need for hyperbole.
@@Mrazmatmahmood People didn’t see the value of archiving them. Lots of old TV series or serials are gone.
I honestly don't blame that. We were in the early years of media back then but a lot of media was disposed of because it was much more difficult/expensive to maintain and store them, at least what I've been told (well how it was explained when I looked it up). I've also been told the BBC at least kept all the audio recordings from every Doctor Who episode which is something. It is a pity how difficult it is to just have ALL of Doctor Who in one place especially when you're me and have just recently (well, 2 - 4 years ago) gotten really into and are trying to find everything to consume.
I love how he's so angry until he learns that he can choose what he'll look like
He probably thought that if he agreed to it that they might take him somewhere where he could "choose" play it out for time and either talk his way out of it or escape.
I’ve never seen such an incredible bunch!
I love this regeneration sequence. It's so deliciously schizophrenic in that it's kind of dark and tragic, but also played for laughs at the same time. Kind of sums up a lot of Troughton's tenure, really!
"Since you refuse to make the decision the decision will be made for you"
"Nonono I never said that!"
xD
TheStrikeofGod “I have the right to make decision of what I look like! It could be important to the earth-*Muffling* “
“Ughh! What’s happening?”
*Hicup sound*
“What’s ha-What’s happened?”
Timelord leader:
“The time has come for you to change your appearance Doctor and begin your exile!”
The Doctor:
“Is this some sort of joke?”
The Doctor:
“I refuse to be treated in-what are u doing?”
“UuuUUGghh, stop! Your making me Dizzy!”
“No-you can’t do this to me-I No! No!”
“NO-No Noo noO Noo, Noo No No-No... Noo!”
*Fades into the darkness*
To be (a little bit) fair to the Time Lords, he was rather indecisive.
@@DoctorWhoKage I would be too if I were in his shoes lmao
RIP, Bernard Horsfall. What a brilliant character actor. He's in four classics of Doctor Who's history, and he's one of the best things about all of them.
Mind Robber, War Games, Deadly Assassin and…
@@aggie603 Planet of the Daleks.
Bernard has on my accounts played Goth both in 'The War Games' and 'The Deadly Assassin'. Sadly for Bernard, his son Christian predeceased him.
I think he'd have been a great Master.
It is me or are the timelords atually creepy in this scene. They have almsot a godlike appearance in this scene
Yeah, the Timelords were at their best here. Unfortunately the more they appeared the more incompetent they became
Charles Osei neverland is the closest to this doctor who got to creepy timelords after this
They always keep their power and they always stay cruel. The only two characteristics they were given in this scene haven't changed a bit.
Developing characters out of them will always make some of the mystery fall away.
Well, after The War Games they certainly lost their touch, as the Doctor was the one who saved them ultimately and the universe from Omega's will and intent of destroying everything in it. (This occurs in The Three Doctors story) Sure, they might have retained a bit of their cruelty and power since, but that is not what made them so intimidating or 'creepy' as Ron puts it, in the War Games. It's the fact that they feel very calm and merely use their intelligence and inherited powers to submit someone to their will or else they will die. Keep note of how they killed the War Lord and the few of the guards under his command. They literally wiped them from existence with virtually very little effort on their part and were very formal and efficient in doing so. The problem with the Time lords since this time is that they come across as either arrogant or just plainly not as superior as they once appeared to be. Even with all their fancy clothing these days. The Timelord's here dressed plainly to emphasise that they did not need to outwardly dress themselves up to make themselves feel more powerful as they were not remotely insecure about their status as powerful beings.
Hell Bent was the worst for them. What was good about them in the Classic Series was even though they did come under threat a few times they never considered the Doctor a threat. In Hell Bent everyone is acting like the Doctor can take them all on.
The Doctor is probably the time lord equivalent of James Bond. He's more capable than most time lords and can definitely cause some chaos but he shouldn't stand a chance against all of Galifrey.
"Oh he's to old" - John Hurt
"Well he's to fat isn't he" - Colin Baker
"Noo he's to thin" - David Tennant
"That one's too young" - Matt Smith
"Ohh that wouldn't do at all" - Christopher Eccleston
whiteandnerdy63 It can't be because the War Doctor was young when The Eight Doctor just regenerated. Too old certainly is Capaldi.
See the episode ! ;D
He was illegaly traveling in space and time.
Lol Peter Capaldi should replace Christopher Eccleston in that statement. It would relate to Deep Breath.
+Docteur Capaldi is 56..
Patrick Troughton looked like he could be in the Beatles.
Beatles stole the look from him. lol
@@tonywhite9873 And Patrick Troughton stolen this haircut from Moe Howard.
@@malisafosteroffical It's really base on the Beatles, they were big then.
@@malisafosteroffical lol
Yes
Patrick Troughton - what a fantastic era of Dr Who
Unlike the embarrassing mess of 2019? 👎
Too bad many of his episodes are gone.
Don't underestimate the power of the original.
Hartnell was the most alien of the Doctors(because it was before his obsession with Earth). He was never explicitly on anyone's side(at least in the earlier serials) and all the companions could do was hope that his hidden agenda would match with theirs in a time of crisis.
After he mellowed, he became a wonderful grandpa.
My favorite ❤
I love that in the comics during this scene we was extracted by the Galifrey Secret Service and put on assignment, during which he would sneak off and travel again. Even going so far to find Jamie again and travel with him., until he grew old and as he was regenerating was placed by the secret service back into his own timeline. It is during this period of secret service that the events of the Three doctors, the Five Doctors and the Two Doctors takes place. God I love this show.
I always found it rather dark that the Second Doctor is essentially being executed and it's being played for LAUGHS.
I don‘t think it was played for laughs.. It was his nature and i bet he was just trying to calm his nerves.. I mean He looks kinda frightened when he realises what‘s happening to him
it's actually quite terrifying to see the Time Lords treat death so lightly, as just a change in appearance, when the Tenth Doctor later reveals that it does feel like a death. Immortality trivializes death...the Second Doctor is no more.
No he's over there wearing capes and driving cars but he's there don't listen to the words of the vein idiot who just a week ago was attempting to become a god of time
Second Doctor really had the worst fate, imo.
Yeah, he was essentially executed.
A forced Regeneration/execution, losing his Companions (who won‘t remember everything besides their first encounter and adventure together), and getting sent to Earth in exile! 😭😭
between him and the 5th
"You'll have a change to choose your appearance"
"Oh..... well, that's not so bad..... BUT I WARN YOU, I'M VERY PARTICULAR!" lol
Ironic thing is, if they hadn't executed him back here, they wouldn't have been forced to give him a whole new regeneration cycle so he can get them out of their pocket universe a whole lot later. Bottom line is, they'll have to deal with him for a loooot longer.
...and no, I don't think much of the higher ups will be grateful. (He DID very nearly blow them up along with the Daleks) Some, obviously.
Rodan, Andred, Romana, Flavia, if any of them are still alive...
"No he's too thin" they got David Tennant on point 👌🏻
Tudor Pepi doesn't matter if you have a TARDIS
Tudor Pepi doesn't matter if you have a TARDIS
@Tudor Pepi Perhaps this episode was a prophecy, one that states that David Tennant was meant to play the Doctor.
@@dillonwright13 and the "that's ones too young" means matt smith is meant to be the doctor
When the Timelords were actually menacing.
For some reason this regeneration haunts me
Just me that thinks this is the eeriest regeneration to date?
+Ann-Marie Mallinson I think that.
It's really depressing too. How he's saying "No, no! You can't do this to me! No! No, no, no..." It's so depressing to me.
The timewar hadn't happened yet, though the act he did do, set in motion the events leading up to the timewar, aka. committing Grand Theft TARDIS, and interfering with other peoples. Which unintentionally brought the Daleks out of their city, setting up all confrontations and the Timelords eventual decision to send the doctor back to prevent their creation.
SueDonym
Which he didn't do.
Alpha121198 Yep... Thus escalating the issue.
If the events of Genesis of the daleks didn't happen we wouldn't have the time war, in an in-universe standpoint
@@TheProfessor230 And if the events of The Daleks didn't happen The Daleks would have remained ignorant of the outer universe and thus the impetus for the Doctor being sent to their creation in Genesis never would have happened. So the Doctor's interferance is very much a part of what led to the timewar.
@@parrot998 True
“Besides, I’m known on the Earth! It might be very awkward for me!”
“That’s not a problem” *eradicates BBC archives*
They should have made the last option Jon Pertwee, to make it look like they gave him the face he really didn't want.
Then again I don't think he had been cast yet
I would have been appropriate, actually; later multi-doctor episodes had a theme of them hating each other. 'Two' met 'Thee' during 'The Three Doctors'; they had to be persuaded by the original to do anything at all. 'Two' generally doubted the competence of 'Three', and would butt in on conversations to make sure that anything being said was correct.
Jon Pertwee hadn't been cast when the episode was first broadcast . It wasn't even sure if the show at the time was to return. In a way season 7 saved the show from being axed.
MrG season 7 is the single most important in the show’s history imo
Rhyan Bennett Even though i liked The Tardis Crew from Season 6 better with 2nd Doc with Jamie and Zoe
no, Jon had not been cast at that point hence why they did the regeneration that way with the 2nd doctor, it was only after they cast Jon as the third doctor that they decided to reveal him after the regeneration and the start of his exile.
"You can't just change what I look like without consulting me!" Man, even the time lords themselves can be so intimidating, in this story: The War Games, at least.
"No, he's too thin!" (Looks a bit like 10th)
"That one's too young!" (As if describing 11th)
Coincidence? Yep, I think so. Still, I think it's amusing. :D
I thought the one where he said "Noo he's too thin" looked more like Peter Davison
So we can expect Karl Marx and Peter Griffin to play the doctor at some point
The thin looks more like 12.
@@dapenguin4637 Ugh no this show is too good for peter Griffin let him stay on his own trashy show.
"YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE WHAT I LOOK LIKE WITHOUT CONSULTING ME!!"
"You will have an opportunity to choose your appearance."
"OH....well, that's not so bad.."
He did say he was particular
It’s still pretty terrible in retrospect. We really didn’t know what regeneration was (neither did the writers) at this time. With the current knowledge the Timelords basically killed the second Doctor (because its still death for the most part) and wasted one of his 12 regenerations prematurely (pushing him closer to an earlier final death) as punishment. That’s just harsh. Not to mention it’s been described to be very painful during the process (I imagine ever cell changing in an instant would). This is just dark.
@@vullord666 Oh yeah, I would not be happy about the situation at all. Very little consolation in choosing the face of the person that replaces you when you cease to exist.
At times Classic Doctor Who (more like the black & white season) was inspired by horror and this regeneration is one of those times. It's scary to think that the 2nd Doctor was forced to regenerate and when I was young this regeneration scared me like nothing else.
John Hurt: "OH, WELL, HE'S TOO OLD!"
Colin Baker: "WELL, HE'S TOO FAT, ISN'T HE?"
David Tennant: "NO, HE'S TOO THIN!"
Matt Smith: "YES, THAT ONE'S TOO YOUNG!"
Christopher Eccleston: "OH, WELL, THAT WON'T DO AT ALL!! THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!"
(Just so you know, I'm a huge fan of all of those Doctors; I just figured it would be funny to share how the Second Doctor would react to seeing them...)
Jodie could also replace Eccleston there.
I think it would be funny if the last was Tom Baker.
If I remember correctly, his companions at the time had their memories erased before being sent home. I don't think the Doctor even got to say goodbye.
This is my favorite regeneration
Nathan Phan That is fucked up, being forced to regenerate, GULAG FOR YOU
Me too, because it is so painful for me to watch. The pain of poor two basically being executed... Is that a bad reason to like it?
when it comes to the selection of regenerations, I could imagine this being re-released with today's special effects,
1:06 "I'm known on the Earth" - interesting nod to the fourth wall there - the character of the Doctor alluding to the popularity of the Doctor Who TV series.
Sort of. In the show itself, he was known in the 20th century as well - primarily by UNIT.
@@TsoLan1 I don't think a small number of soldiers from one story could be enough "known on the Earth" to make it "very awkward for [him]" No - when the Doctor talked of being "known on the Earth" he clearly meant being known by the "All Of You At Home" whom he addressed in the Feast of Steven.
If the series had ended with The War Games pt10, there would have been the implication that someone somewhere on present day Earth was secretly The Doctor, having undergone a repeat of the mysterious process that transformed him from The Old Doctor to The New Doctor. It could be Harold Wilson, it could be President Nixon, it could be your teacher, it could even be your milkman. Someone out there was really the Doctor - but who? -"Who is Doctor Who?"
@@kurtvanderbogarde8402 Oh well. I've never heard that interpretation before, but I suppose you could be right.
I think he was refering to all the people he met on his travels during this time. While yes, there is UNIT but he did meet many people when he traveled to the 20th century. He started to make his presence known.
According to "TARDIS data core wiki" this was not his regeneration. Apparently the CIA interrupted his regeneration, and brought Doctor 2 back to life. He was free to roam the galaxy, as long as he was working for them. The only televised adventure Doctor 2 had while working for the CIA was in "The Two Doctors" but he had many more, which can be read in comic books and novels. The Timelords eventually captured the second doctor, erased his memory of working for the CIA, dragged him into his old TARDIS, and forced him to regenerate. The next place The TARDIS landed was of course, at UNIT headquarters
Neat.
Moffat said we wanted to have every missing regeneration on screen. What's missing is that one. It would be interesting to see how he could pull that off.
The CIA Kanye West'ed the Time Lords in the middle of their punishment of the Doctor so that they could make the Doctor work for them?
Damn, Whoverse CIA is badass.
Sanguiluna CIA were timelords who were basically operating extra legally from the Council of Gallifrey.
actually using logic you could argue The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors could take place during his CIA work. (In Five Doctors he remembers Jamie getting his mind wiped which happened in this story)
I liked when the Time Lords looked like this better.
"Does that mean you're going to let me go free?" Me: "I wish, Patrick" *pats*
I cried.. Even How brave Jamie and Zoe were and tried to get the Doctor to flee with Them and get out of there as always.. The entire Episode is just intriguing and exciting and well made! It‘s definitley in my Top 10 .. Maybe even Top 5
“YOU CAN’T JUST CHANGE WHAT I LOOK LIKE WITHOUT CONSULTING ME!!!”
“You will have an opportunity to choose your appearance .”
“Oh... well that’s not so bad?”
But I'm very particular!
I have always loved this scene as well as the entire "War Games" story.
im not a doctor who fan but i like how hes always sarcastic or has a punch line or a witty comeback to everything, even the things people wouldnt normally be taking as a joke. such as the whole changing what he looks like and being told he will have a choice: "oh thats not so bad, but im picky!". like seriously? good laughs
Wow. They legit killed 2. Time Lords really were wildin back then
1:15
"You can't just kill me without consulting me!"
That basically sums it up.
"Too old" - Capaldi
"Too thin" - Tennant
"Too young" - Smith
"This won't do at all" - Whittaker
(I wish Jodie Whittaker the best with the role, though.)
Exactly what I was thinking (Though I think whittaker will be perfect) except "too old" will be Hurt (Capaldi is not really that old).
The War Doctor was young when Eight first regenerated into him. In his reflection, they use an image of young John Hurt. War Doctor fought the Last Time War for a VERY long time, hence his old appearance in Day of the Doctor.
Xylarxcode there’s also the fact that I think they said the War Doctor was actually holding off his regeneration for some time, hence why he aged so much.
I know I feel sorry for him in this scene, but Doctor #2 did seem kinda like a spoiled brat to begin with. (Though who am I to judge? I've hardly ever seen any episodes from Season 6, anyways.)
1:33 Is it me, or does that body look like the older 8th Doctor from The Night Of The Doctor?
The War Doctor It looks more like David Tennant. Here, same sideburns, same expression, same hair style, and lastly, in day of the doctor, Matt Smith himself said that David Tennant was skinny, just like what the second doctor said, "Noo, he's to thin!" Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Patrick Troughton reigns for 3 years. (1966-1969).
Didn't want to be typecast as the Doctor.
Damn those timelords! Forcing The Doctor to regenerate!😱
Yes
The thing about this that gets me the most is that the Doctor already knows he’s dead and has to immediately accept it.
I was half expecting Troughton to start singing bohemian rhapsody at 2:25
I'm glad I've seen this regeneration scene prior to see the episode "Power of the Doctor". When the Master mentioned that the Doctor already got forced to regenerate in the past, I got the reference. :)
a sad ending to a great doctor
He's too old - Peter Capaldi
He's too fat - Colin Baker
He's too thin - David Tennant
He's too young - Matt Smith
He won't do at all - John Hurt
I like your thinking aha :)
Someone needs to make a video where their images are overlayed... that would be amazing :P
Ben Porter oh wow i certainly agree haha
Ben Porter Someone did back when David Tennant was the doctor, but I think it's been taken down :'(
It certainly proves that David Tennant was meant to play the Doctor, especially since they unknowingly used his likeness before he was even born.
This is arguably the show's most trippy regeneration.
Back when this episode was broadcast, regeneration was only supposed to be a change of appearance. However, ever since the 3rd doctor, regeneration has been the body being renewed due to a cause of death. So, by that logic, that means the time lords executed the 2nd Doctor.
Wow. The Timelords can be real jerks, can't they? I mean, that's a bit much of a punishment. Geese.
+Timothy Ingram ....geese?
geese would be far worse, they're so mean XD lol
I read that in Norm MacDonald's voice.
Well, the high council at least are notoriously the absolute worst.
If Doctor Who had been cancelled after this episode as was a possibility, I guess the show's "ending" that they were trying to go for is that the Doctor could be living among us as a dull, normal human (hence why we don't see what he ends up looking like in this ep.)
Laurie Jones either that or "We haven't signed up Worzel Gummidge yet, so we can't show him changing"
DevilboyScooby They hadn't made the decision as to whether they would continue the show when this was filmed, as I recall.
Laurie Jones exactly.
If this was the case then this would've been by far one of the most morbid endings to a TV Show I'd ever seen.
imagine of that happened, almost every Doctor Who fan would have never even heard of Doctor Who.
The only regneration sequence in which the Doctor appears to be about to sneeze.
I actually think it would be kind of interesting for the Elventh Doctor to go the same way the First one did. Living a very long time in that body until age just catches up and he goes off peacefully after one last, big adventure to let the Twelfth have his shot. It just seems like it would be a nice change after the Tenth Doctor's regeneration was built up so much during his last few episodes.
This comment age as well if you know how 11 went out…
Ironically, the one he dismisses as "too thin" kind of resembles Peter Davison.
Shadoestar He also looks like David Tennant
I think this is probably the best end to any who story and one of the best end to any story.
After nine episodes of watching the odds get more and more out of hand the timelords make the villain look pathetic and basically they determined the fate of everyone involved, then we see our hero defeated.
This is genuinely a super scary scene, with the time lords being so condescending and emotionless, and the doctor panicking so much, as well as the super creepy music, it’s a perfect Super creepy scene.
Not to mention them having whatever technology/power to instantly induce some kind of mindfuck experience that leads to death. Haunting stuff.
1:27 me when I am trying to make my character in elder scrolls games
I always felt sorry for the 2nd doctor because he was forced to regenerate
Classic Who did the regenerations far better than the revived series. There was never any big drama or indulgences, just a lingering atmosphere in their final stories that they wouldn’t make it out and they just happened. Far better and more impactful.
Eh? baker's and Davidson's regeneration had big drama in theme and you good say a little indulgence with them showing the whole past companions talking to the doctors and their villains but I agree not on the level of the new series. Biggest problem I have with the new series is they do the same thing for regeneration and the original series did something different every time.
0:19 Those Zips looked very Earth like on those robes :(
2:38
I love that he sort of sounds like Jon Pertwee here.
Anyone else prefer these Time Lord outfits compared to the silly ones they introduced in the 4th Doctor's run?
I actually believe that here is where the ‘Ruth’ doctor from the new series fits in.
Reasons: she has an old TARDIS, there technically isn’t a visual regeneration he just goes giddy and falls out of the TARDIS, Ruth is on the run.
Or these were part of the division or actually timeless children too.....
Love how they look at eachother like "Is this dude serious?
This is my favorite scene from The War Games
Awh, but he was the best :(
agreed
The Doctor should‘ve been glad that Jamie & Zoey were returned to their own times on Earth a moment before they went away with him because they would‘ve been shocked to see him being forced to enter his 2nd regeneration as he was on his way to be exiled on 20th-Century Earth by the Time Lords.
"I've never seen such an incredible bunch!"
2:51, that just looks like his body gets deleted/lost or thrown away in his new body.
What if Patrick troughton stayed on as the doctor until 1970 71
If only... I suppose we can dream.
Originally the exile wasn't planned to have a regeneration as well, but pat opted to leave after season 6
Is it me or does "too fat" look like Governor Chris Christie?
I wish we got the "Season 6B" where the Doctor had a interim incarnation between 2 and 3 working for the Time Lords
I like how 2 to 3 was used as the moment to switch to colour :)
If they squash the Ruth Doctor between the second and third I'm going to be so mad
Theory:
The Doctor is regenerated into Jo Martin and exiled to earth. The Time Lords decide she could also be useful working for them, so they recruit her and send her on top secret missions and stuff. At some point the Doctor escapes, flees back to earth and hides with the Chamelion Arch. After they find her they bring her back to Gallifrey, declare her unfit to continue working for them, wipe her memories and all evidence of this incarnation, regenerate her into Jon Pertwee and send her back to exile on Earth.
This would explain the time period the Time Lady is from and the classic design of the Tardis.
@@cleotheya4694 Hmm🤔💭
this is the saddest one of them of the doctor was in essence Executed
Imagine being a kid at this time and seeing the finale for the first time. The anticipation of waiting for another episode just to see how the Doctor return to Earth.
This story was one of my favourites, in later stories, it's hinted at that he didn't actually regenerate.
Out of all the regenerations this felt almost like a back at you moment for the 2nd doctor. (Kinda reminds me of 7s death though that was more unfortunate circumstances that were FAR beyond his control with getting shot and having one of his hearts punctured)
He was very good at manipulating people and come out on top, and to see him ultimately fail at convincing the time lords and them taking one of his lives away is sad.
If you read one of the comics too he didn't die at first, they apparently BURNED HIM TO DEATH than put him back on the Tardis.
burned him to death?!!?!??!? where did you read that?!
@@RyomenAyeni225 one of the old comics
@@TheRealClaylex that’s crazy imma stay away from that one I thought the cannon version was the night walkers comic
I like it when their regenerations reflect their personality. Two went out defiantly, Five died from chivalry, Ten sobbed hysterically (okay, that one wasn't very dignified, but he really did cry a lot during his tenure).
ten didnt sob "hysterically" he cried a bit because he had so many regrets
@@RyomenAyeni225some people really think men crying is some sort of admittance of weakness or lack of wits lol
@@brandotenda exactly like the 10th was literally about to die I don’t blame him for crying
old: william hartnell,jon pertwee,john hurt,peter capaldi
fat:colin baker,sylevster mccoy
thin:tom baker,peter davison,paul mcgann & David Tennant
young:matt smith & paul mcgann chris ecceston
ridiculous:jodie whittaker
chris is thin. He said he was suffering from anorexia during series 1. Also BBC wanted him to stay thin. Also in episode Dalek you can see Chris shirtless and wow his so thin without the jacket (jacket makes him look jacked).
smth really interesting here is that it sets the precedent that leads to Peter Capaldi’s tenure as the Doctor. The Doctor has the opportunity to CHOOSE a face, it isn’t simply a random assignment as it seems. when 11 regenerated into 12, the implication was that he chose that face so as to always remember that he should save SOMEONE; as Donna Noble had pushed him to save Caecilius in Pompeii. that precedent is set through the Time Lords allowing the 2nd to choose a face, before they assign one for him. its a curious thing in the lore, since we also have Time Lords referencing the change in appearance as though their age, gender and appearance are entirely random. it implies that Time Lords can have control over such things, but very rarely do they, which carries some interesting complexities about what regeneration is in itself - esp since the writers have no rules to make a clear idea of what it is.
So the Time Lords basically "killed" a regeneration of the Doctor?
Yes, because the Time Lord council had the ability to add extra regenerations onto the 12 that Time Lords have but this was murder because it did take away 1 of his regenerations.
Alan Parker Sorry, but you're wrong. The council didn't have the right to add extra regenerations back then. Giving extra regenerations was unheard of to any TimeLord whether they could do it or not, and back then they certainly could not. In the Deadly Assassin (4th Doctor story) the TimeLords said time and again that "Once past the 13 regeneration there is no plan to postpone death" since in that story the Master had ran out.
Things may have changed due to the Time War but during this episode and a good deal of time beyond it they didn't know how or if it was even biologically possibile or safe to go beyond 13. Rassilon during the war probably gave them the secret to additional lives since he was the one who created the genetic augmentation to allow TimeLords to regenerate in the first place.
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Actually, the council being able to, through technological intervention, bestow new ones was mentioned back in "The Five Doctors" - they offered the master (then on his last one and running around in a hijacked body) a new cycle as a reward for working together with them. Didn't sound like it was something they did often, but obviously all rules would've gone out of the window during the war....
In any case, this just seems to be something they do as a punishment, maybe a step down from a proper execution.
Kendrix Havlik What has a later story got to do with the War Games?
There is actually some contesting thoughts about that bit in the Five Doctors. Since the Master wasn't in a TimeLord body at the time (He had taken over a Traken Body) that had not regenerated before it could be that the TimeLords could grant an 'Un-regenerated' body a cycle of regenerations. But it wouldn't be the Master in his original form regenerating, nor the Masters body itself, so it would techically be the stolen body of Tremas that regenerated.
River Song proved that the regenerating power of the TimeLords is something that any species could posses, the Gallifreyans just chose to keep the power to themselves.
Similar thing to bringing back the Master from the dead, a new body means new regenerations. Prior to the Sound of Drums, the Master was totally destroyed mind and body and never returned until somehow the TimeLords ressurected him from the Time Vortex during the Time War.
Some even say that the 12 regeneration rule was imposed because the 13th regeneration was supposed to be fatal (it was possible but it would kill the one regenerating) or that it involved risks because regenerating a body more than 12 times could cause serious problems that made it more kinder to die rather than carry on.
TimeLord society is still shrouded in mystery, we can speculate all we want about why there was a 12 regeneration rule but the fact is we know very little about it. Even though there are books and audios that delve into the TimeLord history a little they are not technically cannon to the TV series and are therefore useless, and with Rassilon (The one who created the ability to regenerate) coming into the Time War who knew what went on.
According to a book called the World Game, the ending of the War Games is faked. The Second Doctor was actually sentanced to exicution (Real death), but was saved by the Gallifreyan CIA (Celestian Invervention Agency) who wanted an agent to do their dirty work. They then faked the end of the Doctors trial and that is what we saw on TV. This lead into the fan speculated series 6B (Caused by cannon mistakes in 6th Doctor story, The Two Doctors) where the second Doctor and Jamie continue their travels for a great many more years until for some mysterious reason the CIA handed the Doctor back to the TimeLords with a reduced sentance of regeneration and exile.
However, how cannon the books are is open to speculation.
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The "too thin" one looks kinda lime david tennant
I think he looks more like the older 8th Doctor from Night Of The Doctor, but meh. :3
tonstad39 I thought he looked like Peter Davison
tonstad39 I posted above to show why he looks like david tennant.
How is this scene so appealing to me? I've watched this at least five times today.
Bernard Horsfall (the speaking Time Lord) also plays Chancellor Goth in the Deadly Assassin in Tom Baker's era.
They’re actually one and the same
The third choice looks like christopher eccleston 1:35
1:29 Kevin James?
It will forever be my head Canon that the one that he considered to be too young was just straight up Jodie Whitaker. It can't be disproven!
"I've never seen such an incredible bunch!"
Gotta love him haha.
The saddest regeneration in my opinion as it was done by force and not naturally. And to think about it number 2 was mocking future incarnations of himself when his fellow time lords were giving him choices.
Literally every f****** regeneration is done by force what do you think they chose to die even the 8th Doctor Who had a choice in what he regenerated into did it by force because the alternative was being dead permanently
The Doctor typically hates future incarnations. Two especially hated Three. Didn’t like Six either.
Uma das melhores regenerações , uma pena que esse doctor é o mais esquecido e boa parte dos seus arcos foram perdidos
This is one of my favorite scenes in Doctor Who EVER
The end of my favorite doctor