Please insulting someone’s parenting is completely different and people with common sense knows that hell maybe a hit dog will holla but she said a racist slur this is so simple !!
Oh it was racist. There is no doubt about it. Yes, people she can love her kids to death and STILL be racist. However, this is a TV show. This is Hollywood. The only colour they are about is GREEN. I mean is it a fundamentally racist construct built to privilege white over black? Yes, Like every institution in America it's built on a bigoted foundation. However, don't make the mistake of thinking that a network, that producers, that creators of show [YES] even black ones give two shits about taking a moral stance. They only care what will get them more viewers, keep the ones they have and please their advertizers. Mona Scott is not an activist, she's not a politician or a legislator. She's one of the most powerful producers of black content in America. They dont' care what Erica says or does. They don't care about projecting a more positive role model to the black community and the world. if they did, they wouldn't encourage, support and subsidize low rent, ratchet behaviour and make it seem super palatable and like it's the norm for every black household when it in fact is not. Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying I don't enjoy my own share of trashy reality TV or what have you. Who doesn't? We all deserve no brainer night with some "Too Hot to Handle" or what not. The problem is...despite there being a fair amount of high quality black content out there to choose from in 2023 ....THE most popular content is STILL LHATL or whatever is cookin up on Zeus with Chrisean n Blueface. At the end of the day... it doesn't serve anyone to look to the networks or the people on their payroll to be some kind of moral arbitrator. Anything they do is token at best and always self -serving and has verrrrry little to do with doing the right thing. The hypocrisy is at an all time high, so that's why I don't care if they fire Erica, renew her contract or give he a raise. It literally makes no difference because I have never in my life looked to ANY artist/creator/network...and I mean ANY...to provide society with a moral or legal compass. I consume art or entertainment if you will for a myriad of reasons and I am objective about who produces it. I have no fanatical or heartfelt attachment to any artist no matter what they have created. Because at the end of the day...they are just...PEOPLE...who actually [on the whole] are farrr more flawed then anyone can imagine. And cancel is the biggest fallacy of them all. Oh the public outcry around say R. Kelly or Bill Cosby was heard around the globe, yet John Lennon used to beat the shit outta Yoko Ono and that's a FACT...and Bing Crosby used to BEAT the crap outta his kids and that's a FACT, too ..i'm surprised they weren't paralysed....and I can walk into any mall come Christmas time and hear "White Christmas" and "Happy Xmas/War is Over" blaring in every store. Aerosmith's Steven Tyler literally got a mother to sign over guardianship of her minor so she can come on tour with them as one of their groupies and his lover. So miss me with the BS, please...because I was just on Spotify and all these deviants are still making money and so are the platforms that support them. Why? Because at the end of the day it's a BUSINESS and in that world cash is KING and money talks and bs walks.
Erica was so quick to use racial slur that goes to show you how triggered she was that safari was better to a black woman than her because in her head she thinks she is better than a black woman.
Her breakup with Safaree just exposed how she really feels about people of color. She has children that are mixed so that racial slur is the last thing I would think to come out her mouth.
Joe Budden was a bit dismissive of the views of his co-hosts. Why didn't he just have the show by himself if he lacks the maturity to respect the views of others? Kmt. He keeps shutting down what the gentleman in the white shirt is saying.
@@treyjackson6917 ikr, thank you! It would also mean Joe would have to exam the fact that it probably wasn’t no love involved at the beginning of that relationship. People hustle all kinds of ways….and he got hustled. Cyn expressed her feelings with the black men prefer them over black women comment…..Erica calling people monkeys. Both of them used that thought process for quick come ups. Joe would have to deal with the fact maybe he’s not the bomb diggy but a baggy bag. Erica’s screaming hysterical breakdown about child support wasn’t that complex….nor, her reaction to Spice getting to close to the real agenda. Erica really and I mean really wanted Spice to shut up, in their minds everyone is dumb.
@@treyjackson6917 Facts especially in NY & NJ, they like to act like everything is all good between blacks and latinos and its cap. If they cant keep it real may as well move on to the next topic.
speaking facts on 21st cent segragation. Re Erica n her JA kids. i can't count how many times I've explained to someone that dating someone of a diff race or ethnicity doesn't mean you bypass existing feelings of prejudice. Giving birth doesn't mean a Mom isn't racist. It sounds awful n should be improbable...n yet it's not. These women exist. They can have African kids, Guyanese kids, African American kids n still be at their core a bigot.
But when Dominican or Puerto Rican women say they're not black the culture says they are but now she's not black when she says some shit like this. #JustSayin
you gotta remember, when you leave the united states the idea of race isn't jammed down your throat. It's not in your face. The latino/latina community knows they got black history in them unless they are purely european and native (which can happen). Throughtout the west indies and south america we identify with our culture and nationality. We're not like AA where they identify by their skin color
@@matthew66789 So you are saying y'all treat the Afro-Latinos with the same respect as the white Latinos and there is no such thing as colorism in Latino community? It's only in the Black American culture where skin color matters? Interesting...
UNLESS YOU MOTHERLAND BLACK....Nobody will understand the HURT and PAIN that this caused Millions of people that have been fans of this show. This will not be the first Nor the last.
No one really gave light to when ol buddy said light skinned is the right skin on love and hip hop New York. It was given some attention but not enough!!
Both ladies were very vulgar and hateful in their response to each other. Spice said several things which were out of place. Erica's comment was mean and appeared to be racist. It is a matter for you if you decide to spend your mental energy on shows that depict hateful comments. How is that uplifting you? Respect yourself.
Erica has said worse; I don't think it was that serious its was a in the heat of the moment fight. when Evelyn said it on basketball wives she didn't get fired. At the end of the day they was looking for away to get rid of her and they found it. I just hope she was smart with her money and she leave safaree clout chasing butt where he at.
This girl is involved in black culture, ain’t no way she didn’t know what she said was wrong. See a black person do the same thing to a Hispanic and you won’t see any capes.
We only humans and it's only after the fact we sit and realise u sorry for what u said. These shows I think females should stop looking for fame and money bec it only ends in broken friendships and broken families
The question is who own the corporations? Not anyone black so if we will let things slide once that are derogatory or racist then these corporations will keep doing it. Because us as black people are driven by money. These corporations live off of our culture and have been. I'm not surprised by anything that is shown anymore.
It's about NON black people calling BLACK people RACIAL SLURS! Yandy is BLACK, erica is NOT. How are u not getting that tink tink? It's a RACIAL slur against BLACK PEOPLE so I repeat ERICA IS NOT BLACK.
My a*s is black and I don't think Erica was calling Spies monkey for any racist reasons. Spies hit low and Erica hit lower. The question is, would they have fired Erica if she was black? Cause we've seen and heard worse on that show
The real question is, if Erica was white would her calling Spice a monkey be okay? All I’m saying is we as a community gotta keep the same energy across the board. Erica and many others been a problem as well as been overly disrespectful towards the “black woman”.
It’s always the ignorant ones in the culture who downplay dog fights/animal abuse 🤦🏿♂️ just because you’re black and from the hood doesn’t mean all black people agree with illegal bs they do 💯
The problem is people think black means the hood 😂 as a adult I’m not fighting no dogs but growing up it was the norm for sure. My dad and all the dudes with money in the hood had dogs and fought them. And I had white friends in the hood.
To have been a fan of lhhatl and Ny since the beginning ERICA story line has always been NOTHING she never had a real story she was Hoe wingin it all over ny acting crazy I as fan never cared for her scenes then when she moved to atl just tryna fuc on anybody to get a scene I knew them n there I was waiting for her to gtf She never brought her son on the show everybody had they family on the show she only brought her son out when she thought bowwow was gonna marry her so I’m glad she gone what did have to talk about?
Stop the check. Let be a said about religion they fire you on the spot. We have to stop inviting people into our culture to give reason to use racism.. Bravo should be held accountable for this as well... plus this is not the first time racism has been said on Bravo...
Typical lame cousin Tommy calling to make sure massa feelings ain’t hurt. He’s crazy asf because he didn’t call Spice to see how she was doing, but he called the abusive one.
In regards to Ceasar...you cant fet fired from.what u own.. Black Ink Crew trademark is owned by VIACOM. The amount you make or the fact that you are the face of a show or product does not negate ownership. As for Erica...many Spanish people are racist, and colorism is a huge issue within their own ethnicity. Why are we surprised...asian and hispanic women are notorious for dating black men and having black kids, while discriminating on black women. Conformism.
Cardi B slap that Dark skinned girl from another country no one seems to dicuss or talk about that on the reunion Cardi B had no business slappping anyone and she disrespected the girl and sit on her boyfriend lap at the time that shit is tacky as hell. CARDI B better be lucky the dark skin girl from LONDON what goes around comes around Cardi B will get hers when youre at the top you'll have one hell of Fall.
She didn’t slap the girl for being darker than her. She slapped the girl because the girl was posting all kinds of mess about her on social. This is not the same situation.
@@normette Cardi B had no business slappping anyone and she disrespected the girl and sit on her boyfriend lap at the time that shit is tacky as hell. CARDI B better be lucky the dark skin girl from LONDON what goes around comes around Cardi B will get hers when youre at the top you'll have one hell of Fall.
@@normette We do not know what happened first we know she slapped the shit out of that girl that was dark skinned. Yes it was a years ago but you messing the point the point is Cardi B aint no different from Ericka Mena Offset goimg be a dried up when Cardi B done with him I can BS from a mile away and everyone has they day. D
@@Pickaplan I’m not reading all that, but we do know what happened first, you weirdo, because it took place throughout the season of the show! Her sitting on dude’s lap happened at the reunion, after she had beat the girl up for talking shit months before.
Not making excuses for anyone , however is anyone having that same energy when Spice fat Shamed Tokyo on the same show.. She literally body shamed Tokyo and nothing was done to Spice. Spice is the first to call other women all kinds of Bitches and conduct herself in a violent manner on that show in every show. Now when it comes to a mother with a special needs child or any children for that manner, when you talk about a child its going to go down all the way down .. So Spice needs to stop poking the bear and then hiding her hands and then claiming to be a victim @Moodmuzik I truly do not believe that Erica Mena meant it as a racial slur being of her decent and raising children that are of Jamaican decent
Body shaming is really bad and hurtful but can't compare to racism and colorism. All women on L&HH call each other the B word and are violent. Spice never talked ABOUT Erica kid. What did she say disrespectful or offensive about the kid? She speaked about Erica as a mother. Erica know exactly what using monkey means, she's not unaware at all, Erica has a history of using racial slurs. For years. Its her character at this point.
@@beverlyxana8990You can't pick and choose what folks can and can't say on a show like this. They insult and fight each other all the time so now y'all want to be insulted?
Nope has nothing to do with Erica calling someone a monkey nope can’t compare the 2. Then she wished she had died she should’ve been fired for that period. Calling someone a monkey and wishing they had died y’all crazy she needed to be fired. 🤷🏽♀️
This would be true if Erica did not have a history of using racial slurs. She also said it to Jhonnie Blaze, and some Club promoters, and God alone knows to who else. She being doing it for years. Its her character. She did offend a whole race, not only Spice. That's why the situation blew up and turned into a big topic of discussion. Are you serious?. Nobody cares if she's mixed of not. Its wrong. If she can call Spice a slur, what stopping her from calling other people who of the same group as Spice a slur too? Huh, use your heads for a change.
Interracial biracial children and marriages have been ongoing for centuries it hasn't changed racist mindset. I hear more comments now in 2023 then ever in life
It’s not ok no matter what color or raise you are to disrespect someone period .. even if your the same raise .. if your going to sit there and expect respect or get mad at others for calling you names you have to stand by what your battling .. it’s not right period no excuses over these excuses
@@edwardwheeler197 because I think it’s whack for a grown man to be wearing open toe sandals or flip flops unless he’s at the beach. I don’t even f*ck with crocs lol. That’s just my opinion.
Spice needs to go too.... .she's doing more than name calling, but everyone on the show gives her a pass n kissing her ass because she went to death road. Naaaa, she needs to go too. Fighting karlie n telling them to take cameea off her cursing all the time is enough Spice need to goooo.
FACTS she make me not wanna watch the show because she tryna get everyone on her side but she act like she so secure with how she looks then wanna cry. all them did kiss her ass and I can't stand it
Her children will one day see this. And she will have a problem trying to fix this with her children. They might not mess with her like her oldest child behind this.
If there’s one thing I’m sure off is that once you talk about my kids/parenting skills.It’s all over…..Amma take you to the pits.These ladies were both wrong and deserve equal punishment or both just left alone
Periodt….how the hell you get away with talking about someones child. She was dead ass wrong and she acted a damn fool. And thats where that “monkey” statement came from her actions.
We know that talking about someones child does not equate a racist reply however its too close to the heart to not expect an explosive answer .i really dont think Ericas answer was racially motivated ,it would then mean shes procreating with a race she feels superior to .I think this was a good gateway for further conversation on how we treat and speak to each other and others as a people .We attack other races like its an entittlement .Talking to my husband behind my back and my son who you know is off limits so much that hes not on the show with me is enough to trigger most people ,more so a hot mouth like Erica .I think a warning with suspension should be done before termination .
I agree with you but this is not her first time calling dark skinned women monkey's. Had it been the first time I'd totally agree that it was just saying anything. She has a history of 2 other situations using that slur. My issue is more with Mona Scott. You aired it baby!!
Right it became a norm for her , obivilous to the fact that it was racist and no one pulled her aside and educated her on it .According to behaviorist ,the ABC of behavior change is based on the antecedent and the consequence .Now its picked up on tv and against a black woman who have the support of her fans its sanctioned .Its like we giving her 3 strikes and out ,when she was not previously warned or convicted .I am not focusing on Mona cause she benefited from it .Erica have alot of grounds to seek legislative support .I think thats why she staying very quiet .For one ,she was obviously not in the best mental state when she entered that conversation with Spice 2 Spice did provoke her ,we know what is offensive to us as a people but we also have to respect what might be offensive in other cultures .She just had two babies in a short time there could be underlying factors to consider ,eg post partum ,depression ,PTSD etc .She did her job as instructed ,the producers and the management team bought it to our television and did not at the time take any action ,there s so much moving parts to consider here .
Erica knows its a racist and offensive thing to say, she's a grown woman, who's been in the culture for a long time to be oblivious. Nobody should have to pull her aside and educate her on anything. She knows what shes saying and what she's doing. Its who she is.
It was definitely racially motivated. That's why she did it. Can y'all stop making excuses for Erica. She's not innocent. And she's not the victim. What is wrong with y'all.
I never liked Mena nor do I like that other brawd over on basketball wives f both of them… most of these girls will f a black man and even have biracial half black kids but really hate and want to be black woman…Period. Also…can someone please explain how are women everywhere and every day talking about “Deadbeat” fathers…which by the way is talking about a man’s parenting but as soon as you call a women a dead beat mother…it’s talking about their kids? The lady basically said on national tv that she chose Safari over her own son…like wtf…
In arguing there are no rules and if two different races are arguing and they aren’t black we would expect them to go low and say hurtful things . Why are we saying what can’t be said to a black person . Are we the only race , when arguing with another race can say I can call ypu every name in the book but you can’t use these two?
I believe the situation between Erica and Spice should be address I know people who are light skinned and color struck of black skin and it was time she be delt with Erica didn't come up with that statement through Spice she is the one who used Safari to stay on the snow and not once talked about her first born but then having a fit about Safari fathering skills
Joe said its 12 states he feel comfortable going too Which stated are those Joe because I bet its not Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, Missouri, Alabama, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Kansas, Chicago, arre they any of those states Joe if so let's talk about it
I’m black an black women been calling one another out for years this ant any thing new we put one an other down let’s start there an start over please this is kidding talk let’s talk about church ⛪️ an how Jesus die for us let’s start there OK 👍🏾
I understand the racial intent but so is the word nigga and a lot of minorities use it. Do she probably classify her self as being superior/prettier/better than black women of course she does and again so do a lot of other races. It's something black women has dealt with for ages and it's not going to go no where because Erica is off Love and Hip Hop. Spice just happen to be the RIGHT black women to say it to because her platform stands firmly with black women. So she went that extra mile but with all that said you don't speak on nobodies kids and parenting skills as Spice did without expecting to be disrespected.
I’m always confused when people start talking about interracial dating when the topic is about a racial slur and colorism. Also as if there aren’t biracials in Gen Z all over tik tok speaking about how they experience racism in their families. This scene gives out of touch.
they were definitely testing the waters!!! and didn't fire her after watching editing and airing it, until AFTER the backlash, which is crazy, and yes corporations can also make these terrible mistakes and simply apologize and people continue to spend their money there.
7:35... please know as long as they not dark skinned black ...they can find a way to love they mixed family member...it's easy to not see them as "black black". Do not be fooled, the hate for the Dark Skinned African and African descended person is in the DNA. The more we blend away and water down/lighten the the mix- the easier for THEM to forget the history/memory of their ancestors acts, lessen the obligation and sting. They will love only "theirs" and still hate the childs Black Mother. It's ok to be enticed and even plant the seed- history showing us about that already. History also shows us how they felt about the mixed ones...sold along with the rest. 👀 What other trick are you not seeing? They need us to believe they over the African. Then we hush up. Do the Jews let you forget? Why should the African American?
@malikawilson7071 I disagree.. spice did something wrong.. and when you come at somebody crazy.. you don't get to pick and choose what they say back to you..
@@angelaburgess9105so calling someone a monkey, making monkey noises isnt wrong on a platform with nothing but black people. Girl bye! She has built her platform by being around black people. Let her try to glow up in her own community then. Bye racist bitter angry bully Erica! Her and Joseline the same big bullies. ✌🏾
This is the most brain cells killing conversation that was meaningless. Never did they address actual issues of racism colonialism or anything real. Just a bunch of lip service 🤷🏾♀️
They both were wrong.!!! You cant attack someone and tell them how to respond. Erica was hurt because her parenting was menrioned, so she responded back with hurtful comments. I cant really believe that Erica is really racist.!!! It seems like she mostly dates black men, and her kids are half black. She was just returning the pain she received.!!!!
Her parenting got attacked, so its alright for her to use racial slurs? Huh? Where is even the correlation? You're literally justifying Erica's actions. How can't you really believe? Why its so difficult for you to accept? Because she has mixed kids and dates Bm??? That doesn't mean at thing. Calling Spice a monkey was uncalled for. An appropriate way for her to "return the pain" would have been to bring back up something about Spice as a parent or even Spice kids, but no Erica decided to make thing racial...and you still find it hard to believe. Y'all slow.
@beverlyxana8990 God said no sin is greater than the other.!!!! With that being said, both were equally wrong. The whole show should be canceled. There is nothing empowering about it.
God created us all as a equal... God don't see color he look at our hearts. We all sin and God hates sin but he forgives us because he know we can change. Erica have came along way from LHHNY. She came n that room tryna love on spice. spice already had her mind made up to believe safaree. Wen u married what u witness or wateva she tell safaree should've stayed n confidence. and now that he told erica business to spice she used erica parenting as a weapon. I understand erica because everyone always tryna use that to hurt her and at the end of the day if her son don't like her or not she love her child regardless. I'm a black 30yr old woman and I don't feel any way about what she said because ppl compare ppl to animals every day and say they smell like certain animals. Erica always stood wit the black community u can see it all over tv. stop the cap and save the talks and comments for a real racist. and safaree should feel ashamed because he like a female being messy between 2 women. my thing is how can u hurt a woman that u was married to wit 2 children that ain't even 6 yet. where is the compassion for her. ugh this world so contradictory. they pick and choose wat they wanna consider racism. I pray God help Erica find some peace because she still have to raise 2 beautiful black children. even if she wasn't a good mother to her oldest. she was young and we all make mistakes as parents. God gave her another chance at mother hood and I think she doing a amazing job. she can't move backwards but she can continue to grow as she move forward.
Whew..thank goodness yall dont hear me when a person bring up my CHILD OR PARENTING..for the ones acting slow...lets see how u take someone saying that about u..lol and the show didnt care abiut it being racist when it was taped..GTFOH they putting on a show for yall and yall fell for it..they used firing erica to save face..the show was taped MONTHS before airing and they still aired it...NEXT CASE
3:20-3:50 He fuk that doggie up. "It wasn't until he started beating that dog up" 🤦🏾♀️ "They put another video out with him, and the dog" 😳 Pause Joe u are a mess, and I'm trying not to laugh.
The handle joe if that name is applied as they saying , why can I call you on application, am totally not for name calling out of what we talking or arguing about I find it cheap and petty, Erica will be back , she built shows, she's chartered peace and blessings, and yesss panel bless
What she said to spice is how Erica really feels about black people plain and simple
Exactly cuz most of them Dominican n other Latin always say they're not black
This lady was married & had black kids. I think Erica lashed out of hurt & angry
And she has blk kids ….. and a lot her people don’t want to know about her
@@CatrinaRollins-kj8tb that don’t mean nothing. they love having our babies but hate us
PERIOD
Please insulting someone’s parenting is completely different and people with common sense knows that hell maybe a hit dog will holla but she said a racist slur this is so simple !!
I say nigga almost every day I have female friends call each other bitch but yet monkey is way more offensive
Oh it was racist. There is no doubt about it. Yes, people she can love her kids to death and STILL be racist. However, this is a TV show. This is Hollywood. The only colour they are about is GREEN. I mean is it a fundamentally racist construct built to privilege white over black? Yes, Like every institution in America it's built on a bigoted foundation. However, don't make the mistake of thinking that a network, that producers, that creators of show [YES] even black ones give two shits about taking a moral stance. They only care what will get them more viewers, keep the ones they have and please their advertizers. Mona Scott is not an activist, she's not a politician or a legislator. She's one of the most powerful producers of black content in America. They dont' care what Erica says or does. They don't care about projecting a more positive role model to the black community and the world. if they did, they wouldn't encourage, support and subsidize low rent, ratchet behaviour and make it seem super palatable and like it's the norm for every black household when it in fact is not. Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying I don't enjoy my own share of trashy reality TV or what have you. Who doesn't? We all deserve no brainer night with some "Too Hot to Handle" or what not. The problem is...despite there being a fair amount of high quality black content out there to choose from in 2023 ....THE most popular content is STILL LHATL or whatever is cookin up on Zeus with Chrisean n Blueface. At the end of the day... it doesn't serve anyone to look to the networks or the people on their payroll to be some kind of moral arbitrator. Anything they do is token at best and always self -serving and has verrrrry little to do with doing the right thing. The hypocrisy is at an all time high, so that's why I don't care if they fire Erica, renew her contract or give he a raise. It literally makes no difference because I have never in my life looked to ANY artist/creator/network...and I mean ANY...to provide society with a moral or legal compass. I consume art or entertainment if you will for a myriad of reasons and I am objective about who produces it. I have no fanatical or heartfelt attachment to any artist no matter what they have created. Because at the end of the day...they are just...PEOPLE...who actually [on the whole] are farrr more flawed then anyone can imagine. And cancel is the biggest fallacy of them all. Oh the public outcry around say R. Kelly or Bill Cosby was heard around the globe, yet John Lennon used to beat the shit outta Yoko Ono and that's a FACT...and Bing Crosby used to BEAT the crap outta his kids and that's a FACT, too ..i'm surprised they weren't paralysed....and I can walk into any mall come Christmas time and hear "White Christmas" and "Happy Xmas/War is Over" blaring in every store. Aerosmith's Steven Tyler literally got a mother to sign over guardianship of her minor so she can come on tour with them as one of their groupies and his lover. So miss me with the BS, please...because I was just on Spotify and all these deviants are still making money and so are the platforms that support them. Why? Because at the end of the day it's a BUSINESS and in that world cash is KING and money talks and bs walks.
That part
Erica was so quick to use racial slur that goes to show you how triggered she was that safari was better to a black woman than her because in her head she thinks she is better than a black woman.
Exactly she could’ve said anything else .
Her breakup with Safaree just exposed how she really feels about people of color. She has children that are mixed so that racial slur is the last thing I would think to come out her mouth.
I feel like Mina Scott should stop waiting until people get outraged to decide to fire them. You should’ve fired her before it aired.
THAT PART
Ikr
But viewers needed to know why she will be no longer on the show
Joe Budden was a bit dismissive of the views of his co-hosts. Why didn't he just have the show by himself if he lacks the maturity to respect the views of others? Kmt. He keeps shutting down what the gentleman in the white shirt is saying.
They tapped dance around the issue, Joe’s relationship with Cyn Santana who was Erica’s homey lover friend has them talking in circles. Got it.
they literally discussed it, you just wanted to bring up gossip 🤣🤣🤣
@@hegeliandianetik2009 ummmmmm ok. Maybe I need to watch the whole episode, but naw, I wasn’t gossiping, that was MY POV.
They didn't discuss racism coming from Latina's because it would hit close to home, your absolutely right !
@@treyjackson6917 ikr, thank you! It would also mean Joe would have to exam the fact that it probably wasn’t no love involved at the beginning of that relationship. People hustle all kinds of ways….and he got hustled. Cyn expressed her feelings with the black men prefer them over black women comment…..Erica calling people monkeys. Both of them used that thought process for quick come ups. Joe would have to deal with the fact maybe he’s not the bomb diggy but a baggy bag. Erica’s screaming hysterical breakdown about child support wasn’t that complex….nor, her reaction to Spice getting to close to the real agenda. Erica really and I mean really wanted Spice to shut up, in their minds everyone is dumb.
@@treyjackson6917 Facts especially in NY & NJ, they like to act like everything is all good between blacks and latinos and its cap. If they cant keep it real may as well move on to the next topic.
You still have to pick & choose your battles no matter what especially if you have too much to loose
*lose
This conversation is so uncomfortable, they can't even express their opinions for real. All walking on eggshells
the comment I was waiting for to like
I JUST CANT STOP WATCHING THE GREEN FLIP FLOPS! Damn 😂
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speaking facts on 21st cent segragation. Re Erica n her JA kids. i can't count how many times I've explained to someone that dating someone of a diff race or ethnicity doesn't mean you bypass existing feelings of prejudice. Giving birth doesn't mean a Mom isn't racist. It sounds awful n should be improbable...n yet it's not. These women exist. They can have African kids, Guyanese kids, African American kids n still be at their core a bigot.
100 This right here.. All it means is they fucked or find that 1 person attractive. kids are just the byproduct. They can still be a racist mofo.
Exactly you get no pass at all.
It’s sad
EXACTLY and Erica and Evelyn lozada proved it.
Her kids are not Jamaican. The man she procreated with is also not Jamaican.
All of love and hip hop needs to be fired. None of that shit is good in any way shape or form.
Let's not watch anymore
But when Dominican or Puerto Rican women say they're not black the culture says they are but now she's not black when she says some shit like this. #JustSayin
EXACTLY 💯
you gotta remember, when you leave the united states the idea of race isn't jammed down your throat. It's not in your face. The latino/latina community knows they got black history in them unless they are purely european and native (which can happen). Throughtout the west indies and south america we identify with our culture and nationality. We're not like AA where they identify by their skin color
we're only black when it's convenient for them and same when we're not
Not anymore, if you’re not with us you’re against us.
@@matthew66789 So you are saying y'all treat the Afro-Latinos with the same respect as the white Latinos and there is no such thing as colorism in Latino community? It's only in the Black American culture where skin color matters? Interesting...
UNLESS YOU MOTHERLAND BLACK....Nobody will understand the HURT and PAIN that this caused Millions of people that have been fans of this show. This will not be the first Nor the last.
No one really gave light to when ol buddy said light skinned is the right skin on love and hip hop New York. It was given some attention but not enough!!
Both ladies were very vulgar and hateful in their response to each other. Spice said several things which were out of place. Erica's comment was mean and appeared to be racist. It is a matter for you if you decide to spend your mental energy on shows that depict hateful comments. How is that uplifting you? Respect yourself.
Appeared to be racist 🙄🙄🤫
Thank you the only person in the comments with common freaking sense and common knowledge,,,geesh...❤❤👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💯💯💯💯💯💯
Appread to be racist? She is a racist point blank!
You should have more thumbs up for this statement.
Erica has said worse; I don't think it was that serious its was a in the heat of the moment fight. when Evelyn said it on basketball wives she didn't get fired. At the end of the day they was looking for away to get rid of her and they found it. I just hope she was smart with her money and she leave safaree clout chasing butt where he at.
FACTS
Factssssss 💯💯
She should have talked about Spice Parenting. Period
This girl is involved in black culture, ain’t no way she didn’t know what she said was wrong. See a black person do the same thing to a Hispanic and you won’t see any capes.
She should of never said those words anyways. Even if production “set her up”
We only humans and it's only after the fact we sit and realise u sorry for what u said. These shows I think females should stop looking for fame and money bec it only ends in broken friendships and broken families
Joe with the thong sandals is wild 😂
Lime green
Chancletas 🩴lmao smh .
Thong flippies 🤣🤣💀💀
Yea Cam and Mase need to call this guy out lol
You niggas with bad feet would never understand
The question is who own the corporations? Not anyone black so if we will let things slide once that are derogatory or racist then these corporations will keep doing it. Because us as black people are driven by money. These corporations live off of our culture and have been. I'm not surprised by anything that is shown anymore.
Calling someone a giraffe or fat is offensive but not illegal like what Erica did. It could amount to a hate crime
Not a hate crime lol , it’s called fighting words .
@@CesareNero combine with flipping the table on her is assault defamation and could amount to a hate crime
@@andreawhilby2642no it can’t stop reaching and yes YOuR REaCHINg
@CesareNero racism is illegal at least in the uk it is and can be considered a hate crime
@@ruthfrank8106 a hate crime is illegal but you can’t stop someone from being racist, sad but true
I was watching an old clip, and Yandy called Erica a monkey when she was arguing with Olivia. Why didn't she get fired
Stop deflecting and hold Erica accountable for her behavior. Erica literally has a history of using slurs.
Also the other cust members, they also need to be fired
Erica was not supposed to be on the show she was too emotional and other cust members took advantage on her
It's about NON black people calling BLACK people RACIAL SLURS! Yandy is BLACK, erica is NOT. How are u not getting that tink tink?
It's a RACIAL slur against BLACK PEOPLE so I repeat ERICA IS NOT BLACK.
@@ebonyeverything2751So it's ok for them to call Erica a taco and enchilada?
My a*s is black and I don't think Erica was calling Spies monkey for any racist reasons. Spies hit low and Erica hit lower. The question is, would they have fired Erica if she was black? Cause we've seen and heard worse on that show
The real question is, if Erica was white would her calling Spice a monkey be okay? All I’m saying is we as a community gotta keep the same energy across the board. Erica and many others been a problem as well as been overly disrespectful towards the “black woman”.
It's the sandals for me👀😂
It’s always the ignorant ones in the culture who downplay dog fights/animal abuse 🤦🏿♂️ just because you’re black and from the hood doesn’t mean all black people agree with illegal bs they do 💯
The problem is people think black means the hood 😂 as a adult I’m not fighting no dogs but growing up it was the norm for sure. My dad and all the dudes with money in the hood had dogs and fought them. And I had white friends in the hood.
What? Are you really bringing up some sh** about some damn animals stop hanging with white people
To have been a fan of lhhatl and Ny since the beginning ERICA story line has always been NOTHING she never had a real story she was Hoe wingin it all over ny acting crazy I as fan never cared for her scenes then when she moved to atl just tryna fuc on anybody to get a scene I knew them n there I was waiting for her to gtf She never brought her son on the show everybody had they family on the show she only brought her son out when she thought bowwow was gonna marry her so I’m glad she gone what did have to talk about?
Stop the check. Let be a said about religion they fire you on the spot. We have to stop inviting people into our culture to give reason to use racism.. Bravo should be held accountable for this as well... plus this is not the first time racism has been said on Bravo...
Typical lame cousin Tommy calling to make sure massa feelings ain’t hurt. He’s crazy asf because he didn’t call Spice to see how she was doing, but he called the abusive one.
Erica gives them ratings they love her behavior because like I said she gives them ratings give it time she will come back
In regards to Ceasar...you cant fet fired from.what u own..
Black Ink Crew trademark is owned by VIACOM.
The amount you make or the fact that you are the face of a show or product does not negate ownership.
As for Erica...many Spanish people are racist, and colorism is a huge issue within their own ethnicity.
Why are we surprised...asian and hispanic women are notorious for dating black men and having black kids, while discriminating on black women.
Conformism.
And it also was a set up..but they knew she was racist BEFORE this scene..which is why they set it up for her to respond the way she did.
Cardi B slap that Dark skinned girl from another country no one seems to dicuss or talk about that on the reunion
Cardi B had no business slappping anyone and she disrespected the girl and sit on her boyfriend lap at the time that shit is tacky as hell. CARDI B better be lucky the dark skin girl from LONDON what goes around comes around Cardi B will get hers when youre at the top you'll have one hell of Fall.
She didn’t slap the girl for being darker than her. She slapped the girl because the girl was posting all kinds of mess about her on social. This is not the same situation.
@@normette Cardi B had no business slappping anyone and she disrespected the girl and sit on her boyfriend lap at the time that shit is tacky as hell. CARDI B better be lucky the dark skin girl from LONDON what goes around comes around Cardi B will get hers when youre at the top you'll have one hell of Fall.
@@Pickaplan the girl disrespected her first, so you get what you get, plus that was like 8 years ago.
@@normette We do not know what happened first we know she slapped the shit out of that girl that was dark skinned.
Yes it was a years ago but you messing the point the point is Cardi B aint no different from Ericka Mena
Offset goimg be a dried up when Cardi B done with him
I can BS from a mile away and everyone has they day. D
@@Pickaplan I’m not reading all that, but we do know what happened first, you weirdo, because it took place throughout the season of the show! Her sitting on dude’s lap happened at the reunion, after she had beat the girl up for talking shit months before.
Why he wearing those lime green slippers tho 😂
Not making excuses for anyone , however is anyone having that same energy when Spice fat Shamed Tokyo on the same show.. She literally body shamed Tokyo and nothing was done to Spice.
Spice is the first to call other women all kinds of Bitches and conduct herself in a violent manner on that show in every show. Now when it comes to a mother with a special needs child or any children for that manner, when you talk about a child its going to go down all the way down .. So Spice needs to stop poking the bear and then hiding her hands and then claiming to be a victim @Moodmuzik I truly do not believe that Erica Mena meant it as a racial slur being of her decent and raising children that are of Jamaican decent
Body shaming is really bad and hurtful but can't compare to racism and colorism. All women on L&HH call each other the B word and are violent. Spice never talked ABOUT Erica kid. What did she say disrespectful or offensive about the kid? She speaked about Erica as a mother. Erica know exactly what using monkey means, she's not unaware at all, Erica has a history of using racial slurs. For years. Its her character at this point.
AGREED
The fact that u guys think fat shaming is in anyway equivalent to RACISM is concerning smh. Grow the F up smh.
@@beverlyxana8990You can't pick and choose what folks can and can't say on a show like this. They insult and fight each other all the time so now y'all want to be insulted?
Nope has nothing to do with Erica calling someone a monkey nope can’t compare the 2. Then she wished she had died she should’ve been fired for that period. Calling someone a monkey and wishing they had died y’all crazy she needed to be fired. 🤷🏽♀️
👏👏truth.. She said this to Spice not the entire race. But since she is mixed it's an issue.
Right
This would be true if Erica did not have a history of using racial slurs. She also said it to Jhonnie Blaze, and some Club promoters, and God alone knows to who else. She being doing it for years. Its her character. She did offend a whole race, not only Spice. That's why the situation blew up and turned into a big topic of discussion. Are you serious?. Nobody cares if she's mixed of not. Its wrong. If she can call Spice a slur, what stopping her from calling other people who of the same group as Spice a slur too? Huh, use your heads for a change.
Bullshit she did not offend me at all...@@TiaMLE-jc5zk
Exactly! They try to talk on behalf of all black people and that is very irritating.
Racial Slurs Are Racial Slurs ...... So Don't Matter The Ethnicities. Plus Money Matter .
Interracial biracial children and marriages have been ongoing for centuries it hasn't changed racist mindset. I hear more comments now in 2023 then ever in life
It’s not ok no matter what color or raise you are to disrespect someone period .. even if your the same raise .. if your going to sit there and expect respect or get mad at others for calling you names you have to stand by what your battling .. it’s not right period no excuses over these excuses
These people are talking in circles!! What she said was dead wrong!
This dude Joe is wild AF for having his toes out like that. Lol
Why??? Do you know any other culture other then African American?????
@@edwardwheeler197 because I think it’s whack for a grown man to be wearing open toe sandals or flip flops unless he’s at the beach. I don’t even f*ck with crocs lol. That’s just my opinion.
@@TheMickMitusyou're what we call immature, stunted, ignorant, toxic and focused on the wrong things all at the same time smh
It’s the Lime Green thong flip flops for me. 🤨🤨
@@milekes 🤣🤣☠️☠️
Spice needs to go too.... .she's doing more than name calling, but everyone on the show gives her a pass n kissing her ass because she went to death road. Naaaa, she needs to go too. Fighting karlie n telling them to take cameea off her cursing all the time is enough Spice need to goooo.
FACTS she make me not wanna watch the show because she tryna get everyone on her side but she act like she so secure with how she looks then wanna cry. all them did kiss her ass and I can't stand it
Her children will one day see this. And she will have a problem trying to fix this with her children. They might not mess with her like her oldest child behind this.
True words joe budden....
Nah the thong flip flops lowkey pissing me off Joe wtf lol
So that's what this Envy and Tyrese shenanigans is about going back to Love and hip hop...We been Hoodwinked
I can really see Ice getting replaced.
Joe put some damn shoes on bruh like damn.. 😂 you know niggas get money when the toes out 🤦🏾♂️
If there’s one thing I’m sure off is that once you talk about my kids/parenting skills.It’s all over…..Amma take you to the pits.These ladies were both wrong and deserve equal punishment or both just left alone
Yeeeessss infinity until then one-sided AF , blessings to all
Periodt….how the hell you get away with talking about someones child. She was dead ass wrong and she acted a damn fool. And thats where that “monkey” statement came from her actions.
No the shade room posted it and it got over 50k comments that what made Vh1 drop her. Advertiser didn’t have time to care
We know that talking about someones child does not equate a racist reply however its too close to the heart to not expect an explosive answer .i really dont think Ericas answer was racially motivated ,it would then mean shes procreating with a race she feels superior to .I think this was a good gateway for further conversation on how we treat and speak to each other and others as a people .We attack other races like its an entittlement .Talking to my husband behind my back and my son who you know is off limits so much that hes not on the show with me is enough to trigger most people ,more so a hot mouth like Erica .I think a warning with suspension should be done before termination .
I agree with you but this is not her first time calling dark skinned women monkey's. Had it been the first time I'd totally agree that it was just saying anything. She has a history of 2 other situations using that slur. My issue is more with Mona Scott. You aired it baby!!
Right it became a norm for her , obivilous to the fact that it was racist and no one pulled her aside and educated her on it .According to behaviorist ,the ABC of behavior change is based on the antecedent and the consequence .Now its picked up on tv and against a black woman who have the support of her fans its sanctioned .Its like we giving her 3 strikes and out ,when she was not previously warned or convicted .I am not focusing on Mona cause she benefited from it .Erica have alot of grounds to seek legislative support .I think thats why she staying very quiet .For one ,she was obviously not in the best mental state when she entered that conversation with Spice 2 Spice did provoke her ,we know what is offensive to us as a people but we also have to respect what might be offensive in other cultures .She just had two babies in a short time there could be underlying factors to consider ,eg post partum ,depression ,PTSD etc .She did her job as instructed ,the producers and the management team bought it to our television and did not at the time take any action ,there s so much moving parts to consider here .
Erica knows its a racist and offensive thing to say, she's a grown woman, who's been in the culture for a long time to be oblivious. Nobody should have to pull her aside and educate her on anything. She knows what shes saying and what she's doing. Its who she is.
It was definitely racially motivated. That's why she did it. Can y'all stop making excuses for Erica. She's not innocent. And she's not the victim. What is wrong with y'all.
Agree
H&M is a European brand..'Cheeky Monkey' is a term of endearment for children in the UK. Children of all ethnicities..
I never liked Mena nor do I like that other brawd over on basketball wives f both of them… most of these girls will f a black man and even have biracial half black kids but really hate and want to be black woman…Period. Also…can someone please explain how are women everywhere and every day talking about “Deadbeat” fathers…which by the way is talking about a man’s parenting but as soon as you call a women a dead beat mother…it’s talking about their kids? The lady basically said on national tv that she chose Safari over her own son…like wtf…
Who taped a murder and kept it?
The news media. George Floyd... and others. They stay getting away with snuff films for yall viewing pleasure.
Live P.D.
@@philly215ty thank you!
I think it was love and hip hop Houston that was cancelled before it made it on air
In arguing there are no rules and if two different races are arguing and they aren’t black we would expect them to go low and say hurtful things . Why are we saying what can’t be said to a black person . Are we the only race , when arguing with another race can say I can call ypu every name in the book but you can’t use these two?
Erica mena never been the house name on Love and Hip hop she always been a plus ➕ one.
Violence , hate and total disrespect is okkkkkk
they both were wrong spice was very rude at the beginning of the discussion then she insulted her being a mother and erica went to hell with her mouth
If Erica were white would it be okay?
I believe the situation between Erica and Spice should be address I know people who are light skinned and color struck of black skin and it was time she be delt with Erica didn't come up with that statement through Spice she is the one who used Safari to stay on the snow and not once talked about her first born but then having a fit about Safari fathering skills
This is so true what Joe said. Mona cares about money and ratings.
She got fired from LHHATL but that doesnt mean she wont be on a different cast.
Ok y'all what about the time Stevie J call Joseline Hernandez and I quote "Slut Monkey". Nobody talked about that...
Segregation is real especially in the city I grew up in Chicago.
Joe said its 12 states he feel comfortable going too Which stated are those Joe because I bet its not Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, Missouri, Alabama, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Kansas, Chicago, arre they any of those states Joe if so let's talk about it
I’m black an black women been calling one another out for years this ant any thing new we put one an other down let’s start there an start over please this is kidding talk let’s talk about church ⛪️ an how Jesus die for us let’s start there OK 👍🏾
I dont watch this podcast. May i ask. Is this how their conversations usually 'flows'?
I'm wondering the same thing. This showed up in my recommended. They all pretending to not understand racism. It's weird
He said you can't call the Jamaican girl a monkey when your kids are half Jamaican....😏
I understand the racial intent but so is the word nigga and a lot of minorities use it. Do she probably classify her self as being superior/prettier/better than black women of course she does and again so do a lot of other races. It's something black women has dealt with for ages and it's not going to go no where because Erica is off Love and Hip Hop. Spice just happen to be the RIGHT black women to say it to because her platform stands firmly with black women. So she went that extra mile but with all that said you don't speak on nobodies kids and parenting skills as Spice did without expecting to be disrespected.
I’m always confused when people start talking about interracial dating when the topic is about a racial slur and colorism. Also as if there aren’t biracials in Gen Z all over tik tok speaking about how they experience racism in their families. This scene gives out of touch.
Is Melissa okay or does she just go against the grain for pod sake?!?🥴
I wonder the same thing
said the same thing
I think they tell her to do so
I think she really be lost
nah i think people have a hard time accepting she has an opinion...And when she´s wrong she gets attacked when others simply get clowned
Sooo it's OK to call each other witches, fight and violence is not condemned....really
Which episode is this on Joe Budden podcast
Spice should be fire for calling the bam a Is giraffe
Ms Jo, Bambi, Mama Dee, Scrappy is the star of the show ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Bambi is no star a horse for sure she is a groupie who was in the hot tub and Scrappy happened to be the simp to wife her
Glad she gone tired of looking at her frfr now she around here looking like Nene smh
they were definitely testing the waters!!! and didn't fire her after watching editing and airing it, until AFTER the backlash, which is crazy, and yes corporations can also make these terrible mistakes and simply apologize and people continue to spend their money there.
Speak on it..That is exactly what I said.
They only use what she said to fire her ! I heard worse on that show
They say rhe N word on the show as well, so now we pick and choose on what's offensive or not. Cancel the whole show.
7:35... please know as long as they not dark skinned black ...they can find a way to love they mixed family member...it's easy to not see them as "black black". Do not be fooled, the hate for the Dark Skinned African and African descended person is in the DNA. The more we blend away and water down/lighten the the mix- the easier for THEM to forget the history/memory of their ancestors acts, lessen the obligation and sting. They will love only "theirs" and still hate the childs Black Mother. It's ok to be enticed and even plant the seed- history showing us about that already. History also shows us how they felt about the mixed ones...sold along with the rest. 👀 What other trick are you not seeing? They need us to believe they over the African. Then we hush up. Do the Jews let you forget? Why should the African American?
Erica didn't do anything wrong... Spice caused that on herself...I'm completely done with love and hip hop atl..they all are hypocrites on that show..
AGREED
It’s a RACIAL SLUR so yes she did something wrong. And she’s being held accountable
@malikawilson7071 I disagree.. spice did something wrong.. and when you come at somebody crazy.. you don't get to pick and choose what they say back to you..
@@angelaburgess9105so calling someone a monkey, making monkey noises isnt wrong on a platform with nothing but black people. Girl bye! She has built her platform by being around black people. Let her try to glow up in her own community then. Bye racist bitter angry bully Erica! Her and Joseline the same big bullies. ✌🏾
Joe never liked Erica to begin with so he's gonna switch lanes for sure.
This is the most brain cells killing conversation that was meaningless. Never did they address actual issues of racism colonialism or anything real. Just a bunch of lip service 🤷🏾♀️
They both were wrong.!!! You cant attack someone and tell them how to respond. Erica was hurt because her parenting was menrioned, so she responded back with hurtful comments. I cant really believe that Erica is really racist.!!! It seems like she mostly dates black men, and her kids are half black. She was just returning the pain she received.!!!!
Right she has black kids
Her parenting got attacked, so its alright for her to use racial slurs? Huh? Where is even the correlation? You're literally justifying Erica's actions. How can't you really believe? Why its so difficult for you to accept? Because she has mixed kids and dates Bm???
That doesn't mean at thing. Calling Spice a monkey was uncalled for. An appropriate way for her to "return the pain" would have been to bring back up something about Spice as a parent or even Spice kids, but no Erica decided to make thing racial...and you still find it hard to believe. Y'all slow.
@beverlyxana8990 God said no sin is greater than the other.!!!! With that being said, both were equally wrong. The whole show should be canceled. There is nothing empowering about it.
I AGREE WIT THE LAST COMMENT
God created us all as a equal... God don't see color he look at our hearts. We all sin and God hates sin but he forgives us because he know we can change. Erica have came along way from LHHNY. She came n that room tryna love on spice. spice already had her mind made up to believe safaree. Wen u married what u witness or wateva she tell safaree should've stayed n confidence. and now that he told erica business to spice she used erica parenting as a weapon. I understand erica because everyone always tryna use that to hurt her and at the end of the day if her son don't like her or not she love her child regardless. I'm a black 30yr old woman and I don't feel any way about what she said because ppl compare ppl to animals every day and say they smell like certain animals. Erica always stood wit the black community u can see it all over tv. stop the cap and save the talks and comments for a real racist. and safaree should feel ashamed because he like a female being messy between 2 women. my thing is how can u hurt a woman that u was married to wit 2 children that ain't even 6 yet. where is the compassion for her. ugh this world so contradictory. they pick and choose wat they wanna consider racism. I pray God help Erica find some peace because she still have to raise 2 beautiful black children. even if she wasn't a good mother to her oldest. she was young and we all make mistakes as parents. God gave her another chance at mother hood and I think she doing a amazing job. she can't move backwards but she can continue to grow as she move forward.
Here we have a room full of light skin people speak on behalf of dark skin ….the jokes right themselves
I will never support nor condone racism I just want peace with this world 💖🙏💖
Joe. You know darn well they will be bringing erica back eventually
Whew..thank goodness yall dont hear me when a person bring up my CHILD OR PARENTING..for the ones acting slow...lets see how u take someone saying that about u..lol and the show didnt care abiut it being racist when it was taped..GTFOH they putting on a show for yall and yall fell for it..they used firing erica to save face..the show was taped MONTHS before airing and they still aired it...NEXT CASE
I will always say that word once u cross the line
Joe said that💯
Big up spice!!! 💙💙💙
Safaree is American. He is of Jamaican decent.
Is Melissa really that slow
Mona made that call not the corporations. She doesn’t want that type of BS associated with her show.
Too late.. Mona, let it happen too many times
Man who taped a mfckn murder?
Erica has not been the biggest star on Love & HipHop ATL... Maybe up north, but not down south baby!☝🏾💯
Where is juju and amara wen u need them🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
3:20-3:50
He fuk that doggie up.
"It wasn't until he started beating that dog up" 🤦🏾♀️ "They put another video out with him, and the dog" 😳 Pause
Joe u are a mess, and I'm trying not to laugh.
Mofo’s is still wearing Gucci tho,. 😂😂😂
The handle joe if that name is applied as they saying , why can I call you on application, am totally not for name calling out of what we talking or arguing about I find it cheap and petty, Erica will be back , she built shows, she's chartered peace and blessings, and yesss panel bless
They protecting there brand
Always about the money
What is fortlee? Who's the predominant people?