As soon as I herd the Dude talk trash about Pac I was like he’s from NY then I saw his NY hat,it makes sense now.I herd the Quad Studio Stories so much times and different versions of it but Doctors Pac basically showed where he got Shot 5 Times and he was pissed off that rumors was he only got Shot Once,he said if thats true explain these other holes in Men then and even said what was the Doctors talking about if it isn’t true basically the Doctor confirmed he got shot 5 times
Facts thats why Pac was frustrated and he was definitely pissed off about the Rumor that he didn’t get shot 5 times,he said if thats the case explain these other holes in me then,NY was spreading a lot of lies about 2Pac and this Guy is clearly one of those Dudes
Unbelievable how much of a hater this guy is. The level of artistry that Tupac was on can’t be comprehended by some. Most rappers are nowhere near the songwriter and music creator that he was.
Not only that, to say Pop Smoke's album was better than Nipseys Hussle's victory lap is insane. That album was getting its due while he was still alive and was nominated for a grammy while he was alive, then after that he dropped a banger with Racks in the Middle. I don't believe this dude is in music...
Pac literally touched so many people throughout the world. You have many commercially successful artists but he was just something else, he was a poet. If he wasn't skillful and masterful in rap or hip hop, in lyrics, then I don't even like rap, hip hop. He was too deep, intelligent, too everything, so much more than just a rapper but it doesn't mean that he wasn't greatest at his lyrics, his flow, energy. His spirit was so powerful that world had to feel it and he was a courageous young man with big heart and truly sensitive soul but he had all the traits of a warrior and when I listen to nobody's talking about this greatness, I feel bad inside. I was never moved by someone famous like with him and what he has to say and I am definitely not easily star struck. I don't know how many times he was really shot and who did it but it is simply irrelevant comparing to the actual greatness he achieved. Nothing would be ever able to diminish it. People are just trying to get some publicity by talking about him, especially controversial things. Now people in 50's are criticizing life of a young man, who did more in few years tham most of them for life and most of them sound ignorant now. Just imagine level on which they were in their early twenties. I was really introduced to his music with Makaveli album, I heard few tracks before that but Makaveli was so dark and deep and it left a lifetime impression on me. I don't like to listen his track often, for me it's not just music, it's my early life. I never found it in other rapper no matter their skills so it's truly sad to see black man trying to diminish his greatness because Pac deserved more than that.
Joe is a master at double talk. This is the same shit we roast people for in the hip-hop community but Pac gets a pass. People lost their lives over the sensationalization of a straight up bold face lie. If you was in the streets at the time then you know it's been no secret in NYC who robbed Pac. Dude was from BK but he had absolutely nothing to do with Big and Pac knew that because he knew who robbed him personally but there was money & power in the lie so he took it an ran with it. Why you think Pac looked so miserable in the interviews towards the end? He was trapped by his own lies. Joe would have you believe we're supposed to salute this behavior because Pac's infamy rose or because he made a bag off the lie. People like Joe love to come across like they have integrity but then they say shit like this 🤡
You can tell the idiot in the back who agreed with him thinks Eminem is the best rapper even though all of his albums after the first 2 are trash and 99% of Eminem fans don’t actually like any other rap, hip hop.
Pac was more poetic than any other rapper I know. His choice of words were more unique and really painted a picture, that plus his delivery and raw honest introspective lyrics makes him unmatched imo. Any other genre of music would be celebrating this even more, but in hip hop a lot of people seem to have these extremely narrow, almost autistic approach to what a lyrical rapper is, either you are a)lyrical, or b) gangster and you better stick to the unoriginal mold for either
Writting song as GOING BACK TO CALI was pure irony from biggie and telling People that Tupac dogg pound snoop was filming a vidéo in brooklyn mocking New York and then the dogg pound van was shot yes biggie wasnt no saint
I'll take a soldier on my side any day over a gangsta. A soldier is way more highly trained than a gangsta and soldiers have loyalty. Gangstas always turn on each other or hate on the next one. This industry has alot of gangstas and it's the perfect example of that
@@TONYshoutout250biggie fan right there 😂 even new generations love and appreciate Tupac death. He’s not a gangster he’s an artist. An artist who has had a lot of struggles. You don’t have to be a gangster to be a rapper. He wrote poetry and music for those in the struggle.
@@TONYshoutout250 Tupac was raised a black panther and always had that mentality from way before he got famous. He was and always was defending his people, his race and the panther cause. He got shot for defending his homie, this had nothing to do with gangs and it was not the first time he fought gang members in the west. He didn't give a f about who he fought, he always fought back whether it be against the government, labels, gangsters or cops.
@philparadise3702 and that was his downfall LOL thanks for highlighting how he had all this knowledge & still fell victim of something he WAS NOT ! GOODJOB 💀💀💀💀
Pac overrated???? Most people can’t even reach their goals while they’re alive this man reached a goal after death of being exactly what he became post death. His life was a marketing tool organically and put out a type of energy that has people still talking about him and intrigued nearly 30 years after his demise. He hasn’t said or done anything for 27 years and is still being talked about in most interviews and he’s overrated?? Sounds like a grudge to me.
Major props to Joe for defending Pac's honor and legacy against this dude talking shit. I can tell that dude is basically some biased Biggie fan who already chose a side.
Why he has to be biased? He’s obviously telling his side you guys got to get out of your feelings. These people knew these guys better than what we know or think we know of the artist.
Blue been in the music industry for 4 decades. Was the President of Violator management. You can best believe he knows the ins and outs and what was going on.
*Playing a character, yet he shot 2 police officers, got shot 5 times and was shot dead in the second shooting, what character? He is the biggest gangster in rap ever*
Exactly. This man shot two WHITE GUYS for another black man. But they trying to portray this man like he a fraud. These dudes wouldn't bust a grape for none of us, but they want to play judge and jury over Pac. You can't make this sh*t up. SMH
I agree with budden. I dont know why people still stuck up on this, who cares, if pac wanted to be a gansgter then it is what it is. Who cares if he did not come from the life, he did a lot of G shit. He lived the way he wanted and did what he wanted and died like a gangster. Who are we to judge. It was his life.
He shot two white guys who did NOT identify themselves as off-duty cops who were harassing a black guy. One of the idiots had nerve enough to be carrying a gun “stolen” from an evidence room. Even still, kudos to him for coming to the brother’s defense and drawing down on those two punks when they drew down on him.
He had technical skills but didn't tend to use them too much as time went on. He was more concerned with the message itself than the form of the message. He was a great lyricist, however.
@@rockwild737he did use them as time went on u jus gotta pay attention to how he change his style to put it down from 2pacalypse now to eyes on me but i do understand why u said what u said listen to military minds, enemies love they kidz, where ever u are(ft big daddy Kane), keep goin, fright night, etc and rlly pay attention to how he defeat his opponents in those songs
I'm from Bklyn. I could care less about Tupac dissing Biggie or cats from NY he dissed. Simply because he didn't get signed on this coast. Cats didn't respond to him because Pac was no form of threat to them. Pac was trying to find his way. Beef was his hook and selling point. No different than 50 using it as his hook to get rich or die trying. And beef became PAC's downfall. The greatest tragedy of PAC and BIG is they were the second coming of Malcolm X and Dr. King because they had so much power to amass armies of individuals across the world to ride for them. Both were about to level up and take the game to another level. King and X were about to join forces and the powers that be smoked both of them. PAC was making moves to bring rappers from various coasts together to do some amazing things. They smoked him and Big. To put fear in the hearts of the ppl so they never attempted to put into play the mission of either of them. And we're still talking about who's the best and who's gangster. Real Gangsters take control and ownership of our artistry, putting out all the types of Hip Hop forms we love, protecting, building and rebuilding our families, communities, and keeping them safe and well protected
Bs , there's a clip on UA-cam pac at a concert telling thousands " that fat fuck shot me 5 times" yall on some next shit , pac was outta line , but pac stans won't admit that
💯 Like for real, he could've died by the shooting at Quad, but people (mostly NY) tend to down play that part. If I was Pac, I would've been very paranoid after that, and would've suspected that everyone there knew something about that situation whether they were directly involved in it, or not.
This man is so disrespectful it’s wild. To call Pac a “persona” when this man was in and out of jail for ACTUALLY putting in work and ACTUALLY being born of the black panthers is crazy.
He must be one of them peoples who said he was acting after taking 5 bullets... I am more annoyed and pissed at what he said because this shit he saying is exactly what drove 2pac to the edge?.. who gets shot 5 times and acts? who gets falsely accused of rape, gets sent to jail and acts?.. these NY cats smh
@@Bongz90 Bruh he just was a victim of crime. How is that putting in work ? Yes part of his life experience, getting shot is a regular thing and yes I was shot 2 different times.
Tupac may have changed over time but to chalk the changes up to just acting is really an ignorant and lazy take because it doesn't take into account the circumstances of his actual life that caused him to change. Tupac got beat by the police and hospitalized over a jaywalking ticket; that changes people. He was falsely accused and sentenced to prison for a crime he claimed he didn't commit; that changes people. He was set up, robbed, and shot by people he was supposed to be cool with; that changes people. Then he had all kinds of rappers, even those he was supposed to be cool with dropping subliminal disses towards him, or trying to capitalize off of his situation after he got locked up, which would make anyone furious. Tupac became exactly who the circumstances of his life determined he would be and he died the way the statistics predicted he would die if he didn't slow down. That's not an act, that's just life doing what life does.
Pac was trying to be in those streets and that wasn't no set up. That was real dangerous cats sending him a message. Those weren't his peeps. He was warned about being around certain individuals but Pac was his own man and did what he wanted and paid with his life.
@@dwillwilliams1240 both things are true…Pac was already a wild brother BUT the things he went through didn’t help him since the day he got beat up by the cops, then shot and betrayed by his fiends and other black males , being accused and getting sent to prison …that’s a lot for any kid below the age of 25
2pac did WAY more gangster stuff than any rapper who else shot cop and beat it. He was down for whoever we rode with. The ppl talking down on 2pac never had a victory lap like Nip or 2pac. Old dude is a hater who’s due for a nap 😴
I can't STAND these old haters trying to disparage Pac as a man like us humans aren't capable of having different personalities and emotions depending on the moment in time. This old man along with Michael J White sit on here and call a deceased 25 yr old legend a "fake gangsta" like ya some OLD haters WTF compelled them to get on camera and call him feminine and fake.
It mostly the old head new yorkers creating this myth that pac was "acting". It hurts them so much that someone from new york was repping the west and not only that, he became the biggest legend in hip hop. It hurts them, Notice it's mostly new yorkers that keep saying that BS like MJW, who is also from new york. They need to get over it already.
@@illmatic9096 Maybe if Pac said things about your family that wasn't true, it would "hurt" you as well. You never considered that, but stans are not known for logic. Anyway, LA killed Pac.
They’re cornballs. It gotta hurt the weak and jealous minds. When they can’t outdo what a 25yr old did, even in they 50s. How many artist is talked about much like Pac 27yrs later? Bet you can’t name 15. RIP Makaveli the Don 🙏🏾🕊
"I ain't a killer but don't push me" That line speaks for itself. The notion that someone isn't a gangster because of how they may have been brought up, or how they live leaves no room for change or circumstance. I'm not in the streets, but if it's you or me I'm making it home. Circumstances both change and show you what people are capable of and how complex humans can be. Just because one side of Pac or anyone exits doesn't mean there isn't room the existence of antithesis.
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 it's not tough talk at all. I'm telling you exactly what I'm prepared to do in a life threatening situation. Do you have anymore useless comments, or was that all?
I love how Biggie and Puff are never held accountable in this situation. New Yorkers are so salty about Pac their go to is to say he played a character and wasn't real. They were all fans when he was alive kicking it in NY. None of them talked like this when he was around. There are stories all over about Pac being exactly who he portrayed he ways. When you're an actor and an artist you are trained to be in touch with every aspect of yourself. Unlike when you're just a rapper talking street shit. Biggie and Puff were sus through that whole situation. They knew exactly what they were doing when they dropped "Who Shot Ya". MARKETING. Pac never said they did it, but they knew who did it. How the 'King of New York" don't know what's happening in HIS city. Even Pac was involved with the Code of Thug Life peace treaty that brought a truce between the Bloods and Crips in 92 out in Cali. These guys were NOT the same. Plus Pac called everyone out on Against All Odds who were involved with Quad. Also the hospital released all the info about where Pac was shot. Only thing is Pac may have shot himself first trying to pull his gun. Who the hell is holding a gun near their dick with no safety on? Lol you get robbed and tell me how you react? Because a lot of people would've just laid down and gave it up. As if that's supposed to excuse the fact that they still let off on him? Why did Big never go see him at the hospital? Why did he never pick up the phone and call him? Why did he never visit in prison? Why didn't he help with bail? Big and Puff were arrogant and stupid for being out in LA 6 months after Pac died. That's like a victory lap. How can you respect Big when he waited for dude to die to still only drop subliminals on Life After Death. I guess it's easier to blame Pac though for their choices. BTW We never hear stories about Big living the life he rapped about. To keep it 💯 Big is really only brought up when talking about Pac and Juicy. And Im from the East Coast, right across the Hudson.
I'm from NY and you're not wrong. NY is more biased towards NY rappers/artists. The crazy thing is Pac is always mentioned as not being a gangster/thug, but neither was BIG. BIG wasn't heavy into selling drugs or was heavy in the streets like that. His own momma even said that he wasn't raised broke or without money as the music would have you believe. His whole Frank White persona is a lie, but it's never mentioned in the same light as PAC, however if you think about it PAC did more "gangsta" shit. Shooting cops, going to jail/prison, having fights with gang members, always staying with a gun, etc... the irony is that he's criticized for those things and it's what led to his demise but BIG along with other rappers did the exact same thing and they aren't held to the same.
@@mackcity74gdn89 Pac was screaming THUG life before he even got with Suge. And T.H.U.G Life is acronym (The Hate U Give Little Infants F* Everybody). You don’t even understand the true meaning behind it and what it was aiming to accomplish. Tupac literally got together with rival gang members and tried to create a set of codes between them that would leave kids alone (no selling to kids, no selling at schools, etc…) Also, the bloods were there because Suge was a blood gang member (hence Death Row was a blood label). Also, Puffy and Big associated with the Crips. Also, BIG took on the persona of a drug lord. Again y’all are never objective or real about both sides. Im guessing your too young or weren’t around in the 90s
Once you see that it's an NY nicca, expect nothing but animosity. They can't see past NY. Tupac is the most important artist to ever touch a microphone. And I'm telling you this from Africa. Y'all can keep spewing all the hatred you want to spew, but over here we know who the realest is. RIP Makaveli 🎉 PS: What was big's first move after PAC got shot and locked up? He released "who shot ya". Did he ever go see PAC in jail? For someone who put you on for 2 years. Without Pac's influence in big's career, he probably would have had a very slow start.
@@chocolatekisses849 Pac was in fact a NY nicca and @mavericklens3462 hightailing that doesn't discredit that. NY knew Pac more than LA and Pac did somethings that he shouldn't have done and if NY is the one who holds him accountable while others got caught up in the media, well so be it. A dummy from Africa should not be speaking on things he don't know about. When Pac got killed, people in NY though knowing it was a possibility still mourn his death, when Biggie got killed, LA celebrated and Biggie never did anything to LA while Pac said things he should've never said about NY. Pac own father said Biggie visited him in the hospital so @mavericklens3462 STFU
Saying Tupac got Biggie killed as a adult is ridiculous😂 Biggie could barely walk after his accident and followed up Diddy to go on enemy territory right after Pac was killed by the people who provided protection for Bad Boy which a lot of people in California already knew. Biggie got himself killed. Can’t really blame Diddy for lining him up
People will always hate pac no matter what and it's ok but ask yourself a man that has died over 27yrs and till this day still relevant in conversations....even lyrical B.I.G is not discussed this much and the answer is simply because while one is rapping about money,parties and flashy things about life the other was rapping about life realities, things that people go through daily. Hate it or love it no rapper dead or alive can be greater than 2pac shakur period 💯
It’s ok to have an opinion it’s not about hate it’s how someone perceived the story and relates the information to the brain … there’s so many facts and lies that are told and we will never know we’ll only have an opinion
It kills me how people try and portray a person life from the outside looking in. We all have stages, of life from being good and bad. Pac, was human that had many contradictions that we all have in this thing called life. Pac was a young wild young man that made many mistakes, good and bad. Pac never blamed biggie for him getting shot. He wanted the truth from someone that he called a friend.
People can be analyzed and an assessment formed based on behavioral patterns. That's how profilers help tracc serial killers. So yea u can learn someone from the outside lookin in
No one was talking like this to pac face, not becasue they were afraid of pac, becasue pac rolled with some dangerous niggas that had his back, Since pac dead all these niggas talking crap.
Why not? Pac wasnt a gangster and he couldnt fight..if he was such a gangster why jimmy henchman didnt get touched or Haitian jack?Suge had the muscle and that's it.
@@Rizzantor30000couldn’t fight?? Dude was whoopin all sorts of ass up and down canal street from dudes ripping his cassette tapes 😂 Wtf you talkin bout? Also, when he was shot, 12 other ppl were shot in LA over this. That’s some mob/made-man shit.
The real probem a lot of eastcoast artist have is that TUPAC the person and his music and message is still present and more relavant than Biggie. Jay z NAS and everyone else his songs have real SUBSTANCE not basic materializm and drug dealing😮
He can feel how he feels but to say PAC was overrated is hating. He’s overrated because of how you feel about him not about his talent and what he accomplished.
You gotta understand this dude is obviously from NY, and we know peoples from NY have a certain type of bias towards Pac and what he said about them in the past.
Tupac was every bit of what he talked about. I do not understand why these people are coming back almost 30 year late talking about he wasn’t there and he wasn’t that. 2Pac had nothing to do with biggie’s death. biggie had no business going out to LA. Knowing the static that he was facing, how is that on 2Pac?
Tupac music change music as a whole not just hip hop his substance in his music and lyrics made him the superstar he was not the media marketing it just added to his bad boy rapper image but his music is what people loved him for not what happen outside of music
Blue Williams is a clown. He talks about Pac changing...he was only like 21-25 years old. He act like we all don't grow and evolve, especially in your early 20s. He just mad because Biggie died as a result of all that BS and it shows by Blue hating on Tupac, Nipsey, etc. Him calling Pac a "persona" is also wild. Pac, with his last dying breath, told a police officer "fuck you" instead of snitchin. He shot two police who were beating up a black man, did time at Rikers, stomped out a known crip gang member in a hotel lobby, he was a son of a black panther, etc. etc. He lived exactly what he rapped about. A lot of other rappers rap about that life but do the opposite in real life. I say all this as a Biggie fan too.
This is becoming the biggest lie in hip hop....for anyone younger who may get confused, i was too young when pac was alive to know what was happening in real time but after he died and i was old enough to understand music and characters in hip hop I studied pac extensively from his whole body of work to the actual things he would say in interviews and what people who knew him said about him....and with all that i would say that most of us as pac fans ACTUALLY love his MUSIC above the persona and the real person he was aside from the "gangster" or "thug" image is what we really relate more to....so these people out here tryna diminish his name and work sound so silly because we never loved him for the stuff that these people are trying to use to downplay why we hold him high...this stuff this man is saying is irrelevant we love pac regardless of the character bullshit always being said and he was an amazing rapper technically wtf do yall be saying lol
It mostly the old head new yorkers creating this myth that pac was "acting". It hurts them so much that someone from new york was repping the west and not only that, he became the biggest legend in hip hop. It hurts them, Notice it's mostly new yorkers that keep saying that BS like MJW, who is also from new york. They need to get over it already.
Your generation will surely die out if u keep thinking that an older person benefits financially from telling u what we learned. We had to learn for ourselves and we speak because we have mouths. It wasn't just Pac...Big had a loving mother who cared for him and so he never had to sell a crack, but he did. Pac, never sold a crack or a bag of weed...nigga joined a gang at age 24/25 and died that year, on the night that he stomped out a Crip in Vegas. That sick follower of a man who stomped out Orlando, and tried to embarrass Big and break up his family must not live...he must stay buried because he wasn't real. Am I clear? Please, if you can find just one person who says stop listening to Pac because he was fake, I'll cash app you and apologize...but it's your same Generations that do that. Not one person over 35 is saying "fuck Pac". Not 1½ or ½ even. Go look. You just take it personal because it hurts to be fooled. If you are angry everything someone older then you pops up to say that Pac was a layered man and that the fake layers were his last promoted image, then the world has no reason to continue. Who made money or even found Clout from telling the world that he wasn't what he said he was? We want the revolutionary Tupac Amaru Shakur to be eternal... we want Mtulu Shakur to live forever as well. Stop hating on someone or saying it's hate just because you loved the idea of a man, that many are telling you the idea of him being a gangster is false. I pray that despite my own sins of the past, that when I die, people would step up to say that I'm not some fucking killer, drug dealer, mafioso gangster motherfcker. You think anyone out there who says "well, it's not what u think" just hates Pac so much that we just have to stop you from loving him...FUCK NO... we are simply trying to separate the man from the persona (because it was false) and from the music. Since some were around, It was their duty to show us that Pac wasn't all "thuglife". He died, because he was making dumb decisions as many wise men have. Nothing to do with "music fans". Correcting this shit is some street shit. Nothing to do with you, respectfully so u don't always have to be offended. Give me one person with grays who has said anything about Pac being a bad person and to not like his music. Instead, you'll find that EVERYONE who has something to say is saying it (for free) because its the right thing to do.
This guy is a hater simply. I can understand because he’s a NY guy. He’s mad because he blames 2Pac’s for Biggie’s death. This is exactly why New York has lost there position in the hip hop game. Yes they started hip hop but it went away from them because of their hate for 2Pac, because 2Pac to the rest of the world is Hip Hop itself. The rest of the world put 2Pac and hip hop together as one. To the rest of the world pac is the greatest dead or alive.
He told everybody why he was mad at Biggie and he had legit reasons to be upset... Y'all should be upset with Big actually being a studio gangster and not being about that life he represented
Just cause you around someone dont mean you know them at all . Pac had range he wasnt any one thing . Pac was very brilliant and moved on many different levels
It gives him an idea on what the person was like and he actually was there in some events during Tupacs life. You're just a fan who didn't know Tupac. Stop crying
The inference here is that Pac KNEW it wasn't folks down with BadBoy who shot and robbed him. Just because Pac in his understandable paranoia either thought it was them or at least thought they knew who it was and allowed it to happen doesn't mean he was "LYING" and puttin on a front. To say that is crazy
A prophet has no honor where he’s from Let’s put it simple: PAC is the greatest rapper America produced and that’s the WORLD fact You guys don’t just know how great the man was just cos his accent is similar to y’all
Man come on all Pac was holding Big and Puff accountable for not telling him what happened!!! They would expect the same if it happened to Big in LA and PAC was there!!
Pac wasn't a gangster but he was definitely street, hood and a thug. How can you call someone OVERRATED when HE set the bar? He paved the way for artists like Kendrick, and J Cole.
Joe could have dropped the mic after he said yall don't want to see Pac in a Versuz. I love debating idiots that critique Pac's skill level and technique. He had more important ish to say than trying to sound clever or have the best style, even though he showed he could do that (Same Song, Mind Made Up, If I Die 2nite) name a hip hop song better than Dear Mama. Name one better than Keep Ya Head Up. That's what I thought. And I can keep going.
I hear ppl talk about PAC not being this or that BUT his résumé says that he was more gangsta and REALER than a lot of the ppl who were bred from it! Haters gon Hate and shooters gon shoot! LLP!
This the same Tupac that shot two off duty cops Bcus they were assaulting a young black man. Name another rapper you think would do that, And there is nothing more gangsta than standing up for your people.
If you really a MAN in the streets then you know it's different kinds of street duded. It's the killer's, drug dealers. gamblers etc . Now i personally know killers that got shot and changed their life meaning it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. When Pac got shot it was either sink or swim and he came back ready for revenge. But people who ain't really in the streets can't tell you that so the people who try to discredit Pac most likely wasn't half the man he was.
Right after Tupac died, some cast mates from Gridlock including Thandie Newton said he was running from gangster life. He wanted to change the narrative.
These niggas are talking like this now but when pac was alive niggas was quiet, trust me i was there lol. Not because pac was the toughest guy ever, but because he had enough clout to get them touched, pac rolled with some serious people like e money bags in new york , also hung around crips like big syke, rated r etc. He rolled with some serious cats that had his back. When pac was locked up the black panthers were watching his his back. There are even stories of pac sending the outlawz to check niggaz. Pac even got wu tangs chain back after it was snacthed which leads me to believe pac had deep street connections to pull taht off even tho he was not a gangmember. Pac could get you hurt, it's easy to talk now because pac gone but back then the guy had gangbangers on his pay role, that is why niggaz wasn't really saying much when he was around. Once he died niggaz is talking crazy.
This is so true, there are so many stories of pac getting people to do grimey stuff for him. He had money and clout to get people to do things for him. A boss doesnt have to do everything lol
2 things hes obviously eastcoast bias by even saying pac aint that great even admitted it 7:51 and then said pop smoke album which was good was better than victory lap..
Best line “ say what y’all want I bet ain’t none of y’all tryna see him in no versus “. 💯
“Niggas gone hate you for whatever you do”
- PAC
Discredit campagne
As soon as I herd the Dude talk trash about Pac I was like he’s from NY then I saw his NY hat,it makes sense now.I herd the Quad Studio Stories so much times and different versions of it but Doctors Pac basically showed where he got Shot 5 Times and he was pissed off that rumors was he only got Shot Once,he said if thats true explain these other holes in Men then and even said what was the Doctors talking about if it isn’t true basically the Doctor confirmed he got shot 5 times
Facts 🔥🔥🔥
@@alysasmith7398 🦾🦾
right mfs hate on PAC so much@@redscorpion9325
If this is the energy they have for PAC after he died!! PAC felt this shit while he was alive.
Facts thats why Pac was frustrated and he was definitely pissed off about the Rumor that he didn’t get shot 5 times,he said if thats the case explain these other holes in me then,NY was spreading a lot of lies about 2Pac and this Guy is clearly one of those Dudes
And all these people talked shit after he's gone, never whispered the shit they talk today.
Barz
Pac overrated?? Dude sound nuts. Like Joe said, "none of y'all, (dead or alive) want to see Pac in a Versus"...
Unbelievable how much of a hater this guy is. The level of artistry that Tupac was on can’t be comprehended by some. Most rappers are nowhere near the songwriter and music creator that he was.
They just mad he destroyed biggie
Not only that, to say Pop Smoke's album was better than Nipseys Hussle's victory lap is insane. That album was getting its due while he was still alive and was nominated for a grammy while he was alive, then after that he dropped a banger with Racks in the Middle. I don't believe this dude is in music...
Pac literally touched so many people throughout the world. You have many commercially successful artists but he was just something else, he was a poet. If he wasn't skillful and masterful in rap or hip hop, in lyrics, then I don't even like rap, hip hop. He was too deep, intelligent, too everything, so much more than just a rapper but it doesn't mean that he wasn't greatest at his lyrics, his flow, energy. His spirit was so powerful that world had to feel it and he was a courageous young man with big heart and truly sensitive soul but he had all the traits of a warrior and when I listen to nobody's talking about this greatness, I feel bad inside.
I was never moved by someone famous like with him and what he has to say and I am definitely not easily star struck.
I don't know how many times he was really shot and who did it but it is simply irrelevant comparing to the actual greatness he achieved.
Nothing would be ever able to diminish it. People are just trying to get some publicity by talking about him, especially controversial things. Now people in 50's are criticizing life of a young man, who did more in few years tham most of them for life and most of them sound ignorant now. Just imagine level on which they were in their early twenties.
I was really introduced to his music with Makaveli album, I heard few tracks before that but Makaveli was so dark and deep and it left a lifetime impression on me. I don't like to listen his track often, for me it's not just music, it's my early life. I never found it in other rapper no matter their skills so it's truly sad to see black man trying to diminish his greatness because Pac deserved more than that.
Whenever u get through with it 2Pac is still the Greatest dead or alive Long live
2Pac Da Don
Joe is a master at double talk. This is the same shit we roast people for in the hip-hop community but Pac gets a pass. People lost their lives over the sensationalization of a straight up bold face lie. If you was in the streets at the time then you know it's been no secret in NYC who robbed Pac. Dude was from BK but he had absolutely nothing to do with Big and Pac knew that because he knew who robbed him personally but there was money & power in the lie so he took it an ran with it. Why you think Pac looked so miserable in the interviews towards the end? He was trapped by his own lies. Joe would have you believe we're supposed to salute this behavior because Pac's infamy rose or because he made a bag off the lie. People like Joe love to come across like they have integrity but then they say shit like this 🤡
Puffy Love should never ever have had Big there in the first place Long live Biggie Da East Coast Don
@@munny_1206 mental gymnastics just preventing people from accepting the truth but everything you said is facts
@@munny_1206 Tupac never said biggie set him up. Do your research.
@@tonyh8965 you sound crazy right now
PAC has grown men crying
😂😂😂😂😂
Like who?
Acting like 6'5" can't catch a fair fade 😂
Dude really said 'it's ok I'm 6'5' lmao. Just when you thought he couldn't project his insecurities anymore lol.
Sayin suck ish when addressing a real mf just pulls his card more
Right😂
Embarrassing
6.5 of nothing but blubber
The guys the literal definition of a piece of waste. Look at him and who’s defending Pac and sometimes that’s all there is to it.
I hate when ppl say pac wasnt lyrical
You can tell the idiot in the back who agreed with him thinks Eminem is the best rapper even though all of his albums after the first 2 are trash and 99% of Eminem fans don’t actually like any other rap, hip hop.
That shit is pure hate
Drives me nuts lmao
Pac was more poetic than any other rapper I know. His choice of words were more unique and really painted a picture, that plus his delivery and raw honest introspective lyrics makes him unmatched imo.
Any other genre of music would be celebrating this even more, but in hip hop a lot of people seem to have these extremely narrow, almost autistic approach to what a lyrical rapper is, either you are a)lyrical, or b) gangster and you better stick to the unoriginal mold for either
He wasn't. 😂
He was fire tho
He shouldn't have come to Cali and diss Pac on the radio.That's why he's dead.
facts ! But these meat riders try to make him out to be innocent 😂 real ninjas know the deal
Writting song as GOING BACK TO CALI was pure irony from biggie and telling People that Tupac dogg pound snoop was filming a vidéo in brooklyn mocking New York and then the dogg pound van was shot yes biggie wasnt no saint
Thank you
Tupac was a soldier not a gangster, but a true soldier!
I'll take a soldier on my side any day over a gangsta. A soldier is way more highly trained than a gangsta and soldiers have loyalty. Gangstas always turn on each other or hate on the next one. This industry has alot of gangstas and it's the perfect example of that
@@TONYshoutout250biggie fan right there 😂 even new generations love and appreciate Tupac death. He’s not a gangster he’s an artist. An artist who has had a lot of struggles. You don’t have to be a gangster to be a rapper. He wrote poetry and music for those in the struggle.
@anabessie you just repeated what I said lol the ngah was an Artist who got lost in the Art 😅😅😅😅 u ain't saying anything dif you dweeb💀💀💀💀
@@TONYshoutout250 Tupac was raised a black panther and always had that mentality from way before he got famous. He was and always was defending his people, his race and the panther cause. He got shot for defending his homie, this had nothing to do with gangs and it was not the first time he fought gang members in the west. He didn't give a f about who he fought, he always fought back whether it be against the government, labels, gangsters or cops.
@philparadise3702 and that was his downfall LOL thanks for highlighting how he had all this knowledge & still fell victim of something he WAS NOT ! GOODJOB 💀💀💀💀
"You can't name 10 better catalogues than f#"&@n Pac" thanks Joe
Pac overrated???? Most people can’t even reach their goals while they’re alive this man reached a goal after death of being exactly what he became post death. His life was a marketing tool organically and put out a type of energy that has people still talking about him and intrigued nearly 30 years after his demise. He hasn’t said or done anything for 27 years and is still being talked about in most interviews and he’s overrated?? Sounds like a grudge to me.
Absolutely
Major props to Joe for defending Pac's honor and legacy against this dude talking shit. I can tell that dude is basically some biased Biggie fan who already chose a side.
Nigga you hate facts
Why he has to be biased? He’s obviously telling his side you guys got to get out of your feelings. These people knew these guys better than what we know or think we know of the artist.
Blue been in the music industry for 4 decades. Was the President of Violator management. You can best believe he knows the ins and outs and what was going on.
.....SOMEWHAT. He MANAGED OUTKAST FOR YEARS. BUT YES HE IS BIAS
Not about pac he dont
Pac said it best they will talk Sh$# when I'm gone because they fear me in the physical form
Troublesome 96!
Preach my boa
Indeed
He is no GOD or IMMORTAL.
@@soleilantillean30 nobody even said that so shut up
no rapper dead or alive has done that much as pac did at age 25
Blue sounds like a fool they still hating on you Pac.
hatin on who??? Me?? Blues Clues ain't shit.
*Playing a character, yet he shot 2 police officers, got shot 5 times and was shot dead in the second shooting, what character? He is the biggest gangster in rap ever*
Exactly. This man shot two WHITE GUYS for another black man. But they trying to portray this man like he a fraud. These dudes wouldn't bust a grape for none of us, but they want to play judge and jury over Pac. You can't make this sh*t up. SMH
I agree with budden. I dont know why people still stuck up on this, who cares, if pac wanted to be a gansgter then it is what it is. Who cares if he did not come from the life, he did a lot of G shit. He lived the way he wanted and did what he wanted and died like a gangster. Who are we to judge. It was his life.
He shot two white guys who did NOT identify themselves as off-duty cops who were harassing a black guy. One of the idiots had nerve enough to be carrying a gun “stolen” from an evidence room. Even still, kudos to him for coming to the brother’s defense and drawing down on those two punks when they drew down on him.
@@Bugger22Man kick rocks he took on guns that were not his and went to jail for them
He played bishop and they both died and he didn't know those 2 were cops
Technical skills ???? Pac definitely had technical skills. He’s the total package the flow, lyrics, the tone, the voice, the stories . Stop it
Tell em
He had technical skills but didn't tend to use them too much as time went on. He was more concerned with the message itself than the form of the message. He was a great lyricist, however.
@@rockwild737he did use them as time went on u jus gotta pay attention to how he change his style to put it down from 2pacalypse now to eyes on me but i do understand why u said what u said listen to military minds, enemies love they kidz, where ever u are(ft big daddy Kane), keep goin, fright night, etc and rlly pay attention to how he defeat his opponents in those songs
Word bro he’s around the world 🌎 no rapper is like him to 2pac is the god the king 🤴🏽 he’s the best it’s simple
Only reason why East Coast don't give Pac his flowers because he dissed Biggie.
That PART! Not only did Pac dissed Biggie, but Pac dissed the whole East Coast and nobody said nothing!
New York still bitter about this, they need to let it go already
Why did he dis him
PAC dissed all their favourite rappers
I'm from Bklyn. I could care less about Tupac dissing Biggie or cats from NY he dissed. Simply because he didn't get signed on this coast. Cats didn't respond to him because Pac was no form of threat to them. Pac was trying to find his way. Beef was his hook and selling point. No different than 50 using it as his hook to get rich or die trying. And beef became PAC's downfall. The greatest tragedy of PAC and BIG is they were the second coming of Malcolm X and Dr. King because they had so much power to amass armies of individuals across the world to ride for them. Both were about to level up and take the game to another level. King and X were about to join forces and the powers that be smoked both of them. PAC was making moves to bring rappers from various coasts together to do some amazing things. They smoked him and Big. To put fear in the hearts of the ppl so they never attempted to put into play the mission of either of them. And we're still talking about who's the best and who's gangster. Real Gangsters take control and ownership of our artistry, putting out all the types of Hip Hop forms we love, protecting, building and rebuilding our families, communities, and keeping them safe and well protected
People act like someone can't snap after being shot
Good point
PAC be having grown men in their feelings all these years later lol RIP MAKAVELLI
True but it's not funny
New York n!gg@s
He has an opinion just like you.. Sorry your God wasn't petfect.
Facts💯
Grown woman as well 😂😂😂 sickening
Nobody flowed like 2pac period
Pac did not say they did it. He said they knew and did not inform him
Exactly and I ain’t gone stand for these cowards !!
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Bs , there's a clip on UA-cam pac at a concert telling thousands " that fat fuck shot me 5 times" yall on some next shit , pac was outta line , but pac stans won't admit that
Big told him to watch out for them dudes you hanging with and he didn't listen wtf more was he suppose to do
@@Mr_Stag Tell him who shot him period well I mean set him up !! But, Big was scared himself of those dudes. That is Jack and Jimmy!
New York will stay hating on Pac
Which is sad. These old 🥷🏽 can't let things die
💯 Like for real, he could've died by the shooting at Quad, but people (mostly NY) tend to down play that part. If I was Pac, I would've been very paranoid after that, and would've suspected that everyone there knew something about that situation whether they were directly involved in it, or not.
Facts💯
I bet blue didn’t open his mouth back then. The “character” PAC “played” would have got him touched up 😂
The truest comments have no likes
Believe that 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 u aint never lie
Nigga please stop acting like that nigga was someone in the streets he was a rapper who got robbed and shot by real killers
Facts
Biggie was a rapper but pac was a whole movement outside of ny no one thinks of biggie
Facts
Factz
Facto
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🎯😂🙌🏿
This man is so disrespectful it’s wild. To call Pac a “persona” when this man was in and out of jail for ACTUALLY putting in work and ACTUALLY being born of the black panthers is crazy.
What work he put in? Don’t bring up that self defense bs
@@CesareNeroWhat work have you put in?🤡
He must be one of them peoples who said he was acting after taking 5 bullets... I am more annoyed and pissed at what he said because this shit he saying is exactly what drove 2pac to the edge?.. who gets shot 5 times and acts? who gets falsely accused of rape, gets sent to jail and acts?.. these NY cats smh
@@wmmercenary2810 oh your feelings hurt 😞 🤓
@@Bongz90 Bruh he just was a victim of crime. How is that putting in work ? Yes part of his life experience, getting shot is a regular thing and yes I was shot 2 different times.
30 years later they still hating you pac may god bless you’re soul bro
Envy is they all got left
“ Jealousy Is A Disease With No Known Cure “………..
Tupac may have changed over time but to chalk the changes up to just acting is really an ignorant and lazy take because it doesn't take into account the circumstances of his actual life that caused him to change. Tupac got beat by the police and hospitalized over a jaywalking ticket; that changes people. He was falsely accused and sentenced to prison for a crime he claimed he didn't commit; that changes people. He was set up, robbed, and shot by people he was supposed to be cool with; that changes people. Then he had all kinds of rappers, even those he was supposed to be cool with dropping subliminal disses towards him, or trying to capitalize off of his situation after he got locked up, which would make anyone furious. Tupac became exactly who the circumstances of his life determined he would be and he died the way the statistics predicted he would die if he didn't slow down. That's not an act, that's just life doing what life does.
Exactly right !
💯 Thank you
Ppl that knew pac before the fame said he was already wild and reckless, Money B, Spice 1, his brother Mopreme, all said pac was already like this
Pac was trying to be in those streets and that wasn't no set up. That was real dangerous cats sending him a message. Those weren't his peeps. He was warned about being around certain individuals but Pac was his own man and did what he wanted and paid with his life.
@@dwillwilliams1240 both things are true…Pac was already a wild brother BUT the things he went through didn’t help him since the day he got beat up by the cops, then shot and betrayed by his fiends and other black males , being accused and getting sent to prison …that’s a lot for any kid below the age of 25
“Niggas fear me in the physical form” - 2pac
Exactly, that dude would NEVER say that while 2pac was alive.
2pac did WAY more gangster stuff than any rapper who else shot cop and beat it. He was down for whoever we rode with. The ppl talking down on 2pac never had a victory lap like Nip or 2pac. Old dude is a hater who’s due for a nap 😴
Actions speak for thenselves
He shot people who himself didn't know was a cop stop lying to yourself
Beanie Siegel shot a cop an beat it
2pac was a turf hopper stop it pac yell out my sets then Sesame Street
Chief keef..
Pac died for being a good friend end of story. His friend was jumped by Orlando and his crew. And he did what any loyal friend would do.
So why biggie die
@@toryronbrown9908because Puffy wanted to keep making money off of Biggie.
@@TheKFLadyEagles not true at all
Nah Orlando allegedly snatched the chain because Puffy allegedly had a bounty out on DR chains so he attacked a person that was riding with Puffy
@@toryronbrown9908Because Bad Boy subliminally was taking credit for what happened. Put a target on their backs.
I can't STAND these old haters trying to disparage Pac as a man like us humans aren't capable of having different personalities and emotions depending on the moment in time. This old man along with Michael J White sit on here and call a deceased 25 yr old legend a "fake gangsta" like ya some OLD haters WTF compelled them to get on camera and call him feminine and fake.
It mostly the old head new yorkers creating this myth that pac was "acting". It hurts them so much that someone from new york was repping the west and not only that, he became the biggest legend in hip hop. It hurts them, Notice it's mostly new yorkers that keep saying that BS like MJW, who is also from new york. They need to get over it already.
I concur
@@illmatic9096 Maybe if Pac said things about your family that wasn't true, it would "hurt" you as well. You never considered that, but stans are not known for logic.
Anyway, LA killed Pac.
They’re cornballs. It gotta hurt the weak and jealous minds. When they can’t outdo what a 25yr old did, even in they 50s. How many artist is talked about much like Pac 27yrs later? Bet you can’t name 15. RIP Makaveli the Don 🙏🏾🕊
Facts!!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
"I ain't a killer but don't push me"
That line speaks for itself. The notion that someone isn't a gangster because of how they may have been brought up, or how they live leaves no room for change or circumstance. I'm not in the streets, but if it's you or me I'm making it home. Circumstances both change and show you what people are capable of and how complex humans can be. Just because one side of Pac or anyone exits doesn't mean there isn't room the existence of antithesis.
You mean you’ll try. Who says you’re gonna win? 😂tough talk online.
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 it's not tough talk at all. I'm telling you exactly what I'm prepared to do in a life threatening situation. Do you have anymore useless comments, or was that all?
The disrespect for a young gifted black man who lifted black consciousness to heights not seen since the passing of Malcom X is unreal.
Exactly why they hating
Lmao Tupac did not lift black consciousness to it's height at all, stop with the revisionist history 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
its funny how a people met Pac once or twice and think they really knew him...
I love how Biggie and Puff are never held accountable in this situation. New Yorkers are so salty about Pac their go to is to say he played a character and wasn't real. They were all fans when he was alive kicking it in NY. None of them talked like this when he was around.
There are stories all over about Pac being exactly who he portrayed he ways. When you're an actor and an artist you are trained to be in touch with every aspect of yourself. Unlike when you're just a rapper talking street shit.
Biggie and Puff were sus through that whole situation. They knew exactly what they were doing when they dropped "Who Shot Ya". MARKETING. Pac never said they did it, but they knew who did it. How the 'King of New York" don't know what's happening in HIS city. Even Pac was involved with the Code of Thug Life peace treaty that brought a truce between the Bloods and Crips in 92 out in Cali. These guys were NOT the same. Plus Pac called everyone out on Against All Odds who were involved with Quad.
Also the hospital released all the info about where Pac was shot. Only thing is Pac may have shot himself first trying to pull his gun. Who the hell is holding a gun near their dick with no safety on? Lol you get robbed and tell me how you react? Because a lot of people would've just laid down and gave it up. As if that's supposed to excuse the fact that they still let off on him?
Why did Big never go see him at the hospital? Why did he never pick up the phone and call him? Why did he never visit in prison? Why didn't he help with bail? Big and Puff were arrogant and stupid for being out in LA 6 months after Pac died. That's like a victory lap. How can you respect Big when he waited for dude to die to still only drop subliminals on Life After Death. I guess it's easier to blame Pac though for their choices.
BTW We never hear stories about Big living the life he rapped about. To keep it 💯 Big is really only brought up when talking about Pac and Juicy. And Im from the East Coast, right across the Hudson.
I'm from NY and you're not wrong. NY is more biased towards NY rappers/artists. The crazy thing is Pac is always mentioned as not being a gangster/thug, but neither was BIG. BIG wasn't heavy into selling drugs or was heavy in the streets like that. His own momma even said that he wasn't raised broke or without money as the music would have you believe. His whole Frank White persona is a lie, but it's never mentioned in the same light as PAC, however if you think about it PAC did more "gangsta" shit. Shooting cops, going to jail/prison, having fights with gang members, always staying with a gun, etc... the irony is that he's criticized for those things and it's what led to his demise but BIG along with other rappers did the exact same thing and they aren't held to the same.
@@BlackMarq20big wasn’t out here screaming thug life and rolling wit a million bloods
@@mackcity74gdn89That was suge knights folks all them bloods and thug life was a movement not a gang !!
@@mackcity74gdn89 Pac was screaming THUG life before he even got with Suge. And T.H.U.G Life is acronym (The Hate U Give Little Infants F* Everybody). You don’t even understand the true meaning behind it and what it was aiming to accomplish. Tupac literally got together with rival gang members and tried to create a set of codes between them that would leave kids alone (no selling to kids, no selling at schools, etc…)
Also, the bloods were there because Suge was a blood gang member (hence Death Row was a blood label). Also, Puffy and Big associated with the Crips. Also, BIG took on the persona of a drug lord.
Again y’all are never objective or real about both sides. Im guessing your too young or weren’t around in the 90s
you know what thug life stood for right?@@mackcity74gdn89
Once you see that it's an NY nicca, expect nothing but animosity. They can't see past NY. Tupac is the most important artist to ever touch a microphone. And I'm telling you this from Africa. Y'all can keep spewing all the hatred you want to spew, but over here we know who the realest is. RIP Makaveli 🎉
PS: What was big's first move after PAC got shot and locked up? He released "who shot ya". Did he ever go see PAC in jail? For someone who put you on for 2 years. Without Pac's influence in big's career, he probably would have had a very slow start.
Wasn't Pac born in NYC ??
Where was pac born, where did his grandmother move his mother & her sister pac is from NYC & NYC...He only had beef with a few from NYC
@@chocolatekisses849 Pac was in fact a NY nicca and @mavericklens3462 hightailing that doesn't discredit that. NY knew Pac more than LA and Pac did somethings that he shouldn't have done and if NY is the one who holds him accountable while others got caught up in the media, well so be it.
A dummy from Africa should not be speaking on things he don't know about. When Pac got killed, people in NY though knowing it was a possibility still mourn his death, when Biggie got killed, LA celebrated and Biggie never did anything to LA while Pac said things he should've never said about NY. Pac own father said Biggie visited him in the hospital so @mavericklens3462 STFU
@@chocolatekisses849 Pac threw up the W. And that has been a problem to them.
@@mavericklens3462no we didn't give a fuck what he threw up he lied about almost everything
Im from NJ, these NY dudes are dillusuonal. That whole thing was not ONE sided. Plus, dude was ALWAYS wild.
PAC loved NJ
@jays5137 Bro, he more NJ than NY. He was always around in the early mid 90s.
Anyone who followed pac knew he was wilder on 2pacalypse now than ever. He been that person
RIP to my GOAT 🐐 Pac
Saying Tupac got Biggie killed as a adult is ridiculous😂 Biggie could barely walk after his accident and followed up Diddy to go on enemy territory right after Pac was killed by the people who provided protection for Bad Boy which a lot of people in California already knew. Biggie got himself killed. Can’t really blame Diddy for lining him up
People will always hate pac no matter what and it's ok but ask yourself a man that has died over 27yrs and till this day still relevant in conversations....even lyrical B.I.G is not discussed this much and the answer is simply because while one is rapping about money,parties and flashy things about life the other was rapping about life realities, things that people go through daily. Hate it or love it no rapper dead or alive can be greater than 2pac shakur period 💯
👀👀 Amen.🙏🙏♥️♥️
It be those New York guys hating on everybody
Correct yourself. New York niggas will always hate on 2pac
@@jsanders9975 ok😂😂😂
It’s ok to have an opinion it’s not about hate it’s how someone perceived the story and relates the information to the brain … there’s so many facts and lies that are told and we will never know we’ll only have an opinion
It kills me how people try and portray a person life from the outside looking in. We all have stages, of life from being good and bad. Pac, was human that had many contradictions that we all have in this thing called life. Pac was a young wild young man that made many mistakes, good and bad. Pac never blamed biggie for him getting shot. He wanted the truth from someone that he called a friend.
He knew the truth, they told him at the hospital
exactly!
People can be analyzed and an assessment formed based on behavioral patterns. That's how profilers help tracc serial killers. So yea u can learn someone from the outside lookin in
@@GDSprodify no they didn't he found out about in jail and biggie knew about the shooting.
Right. I grew up with dudes that were good dudes and turned out to be straight killers.
Talking bout some playing a character 😂😂😂 would’ve never said this to this man face
No one was talking like this to pac face, not becasue they were afraid of pac, becasue pac rolled with some dangerous niggas that had his back, Since pac dead all these niggas talking crap.
Why not? Pac wasnt a gangster and he couldnt fight..if he was such a gangster why jimmy henchman didnt get touched or Haitian jack?Suge had the muscle and that's it.
@@Rizzantor30000couldn’t fight?? Dude was whoopin all sorts of ass up and down canal street from dudes ripping his cassette tapes 😂
Wtf you talkin bout? Also, when he was shot, 12 other ppl were shot in LA over this. That’s some mob/made-man shit.
@@Ticklethapicklealilyou definitely have to be white. Ok bro believe what you want. Made man 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dude mentioned his height like that means something. If we aren't playing basketball or changing light bulbs i don't get it. Lol
"WHO GETS SHOT 5 TIMES AND ACTS?!" 2pac
The real probem a lot of eastcoast artist have is that TUPAC the person and his music and message is still present and more relavant than Biggie. Jay z NAS and everyone else his songs have real SUBSTANCE not basic materializm and drug dealing😮
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We can give 2 shytes about Pac . Matter a fact we never mention him in conversation.
100%...they mad Pac the GOAT and the south took the whole rap game from them. 😂😂😂
Some of these guys still hurt by hit ‘‘em up. Bottom line if PAC was still alive ya would be voting Pac for president. Cmon.
He can feel how he feels but to say PAC was overrated is hating. He’s overrated because of how you feel about him not about his talent and what he accomplished.
You gotta understand this dude is obviously from NY, and we know peoples from NY have a certain type of bias towards Pac and what he said about them in the past.
PAC was from the Bx. He lied and said biggie set him up when the people who he was with set him up. King tut. Do your research
Joe making sense is refreshing.
You don't shoot at 2 off duty cops in say you playing a role😮
Don’t nobody want to see tupac in a verse real shit 😂that’s how you In that
Tupac was every bit of what he talked about. I do not understand why these people are coming back almost 30 year late talking about he wasn’t there and he wasn’t that. 2Pac had nothing to do with biggie’s death. biggie had no business going out to LA. Knowing the static that he was facing, how is that on 2Pac?
I think pacs over confidence got him killed
Tupac music change music as a whole not just hip hop his substance in his music and lyrics made him the superstar he was not the media marketing it just added to his bad boy rapper image but his music is what people loved him for not what happen outside of music
I’ve peeped it , folks who talk shit about Pac either don’t know him OR they fear(ed) him.
He saw him and made an assessment
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Stop hatin on Pac big guy
Big Old Guy
Only these NY cats be in their feelings and it’s the same as how the South got the hip hop crown and won’t give it back..
Blue Williams is a clown. He talks about Pac changing...he was only like 21-25 years old. He act like we all don't grow and evolve, especially in your early 20s. He just mad because Biggie died as a result of all that BS and it shows by Blue hating on Tupac, Nipsey, etc. Him calling Pac a "persona" is also wild. Pac, with his last dying breath, told a police officer "fuck you" instead of snitchin. He shot two police who were beating up a black man, did time at Rikers, stomped out a known crip gang member in a hotel lobby, he was a son of a black panther, etc. etc. He lived exactly what he rapped about. A lot of other rappers rap about that life but do the opposite in real life. I say all this as a Biggie fan too.
He should be upset at puff daddy for setting up biggie
Thank you Joe for standing up for 2Pac
This is becoming the biggest lie in hip hop....for anyone younger who may get confused, i was too young when pac was alive to know what was happening in real time but after he died and i was old enough to understand music and characters in hip hop I studied pac extensively from his whole body of work to the actual things he would say in interviews and what people who knew him said about him....and with all that i would say that most of us as pac fans ACTUALLY love his MUSIC above the persona and the real person he was aside from the "gangster" or "thug" image is what we really relate more to....so these people out here tryna diminish his name and work sound so silly because we never loved him for the stuff that these people are trying to use to downplay why we hold him high...this stuff this man is saying is irrelevant we love pac regardless of the character bullshit always being said and he was an amazing rapper technically wtf do yall be saying lol
Exactly
It mostly the old head new yorkers creating this myth that pac was "acting". It hurts them so much that someone from new york was repping the west and not only that, he became the biggest legend in hip hop. It hurts them, Notice it's mostly new yorkers that keep saying that BS like MJW, who is also from new york. They need to get over it already.
Yes! He is a jealous hater
Exactly Me against the world is my favorite 2Pac album and to me that was Pac.
Your generation will surely die out if u keep thinking that an older person benefits financially from telling u what we learned. We had to learn for ourselves and we speak because we have mouths.
It wasn't just Pac...Big had a loving mother who cared for him and so he never had to sell a crack, but he did.
Pac, never sold a crack or a bag of weed...nigga joined a gang at age 24/25 and died that year, on the night that he stomped out a Crip in Vegas. That sick follower of a man who stomped out Orlando, and tried to embarrass Big and break up his family must not live...he must stay buried because he wasn't real. Am I clear? Please, if you can find just one person who says stop listening to Pac because he was fake, I'll cash app you and apologize...but it's your same Generations that do that. Not one person over 35 is saying "fuck Pac". Not 1½ or ½ even. Go look. You just take it personal because it hurts to be fooled. If you are angry everything someone older then you pops up to say that Pac was a layered man and that the fake layers were his last promoted image, then the world has no reason to continue. Who made money or even found Clout from telling the world that he wasn't what he said he was?
We want the revolutionary Tupac Amaru Shakur to be eternal... we want Mtulu Shakur to live forever as well. Stop hating on someone or saying it's hate just because you loved the idea of a man, that many are telling you the idea of him being a gangster is false. I pray that despite my own sins of the past, that when I die, people would step up to say that I'm not some fucking killer, drug dealer, mafioso gangster motherfcker.
You think anyone out there who says "well, it's not what u think" just hates Pac so much that we just have to stop you from loving him...FUCK NO... we are simply trying to separate the man from the persona (because it was false) and from the music. Since some were around, It was their duty to show us that Pac wasn't all "thuglife". He died, because he was making dumb decisions as many wise men have.
Nothing to do with "music fans". Correcting this shit is some street shit. Nothing to do with you, respectfully so u don't always have to be offended.
Give me one person with grays who has said anything about Pac being a bad person and to not like his music. Instead, you'll find that EVERYONE who has something to say is saying it (for free) because its the right thing to do.
I love Joe Budden for this
Dude in the NY hat in his feelings about 2pac...what's new
Its always the rappers that achieved nothing in their careers, that have opinions about others
These old dudes be hating.
Jersey and pac go together like Makavel and DeathRow 😂😂😂😂
It’s always the east coast people trying to downplay his successes 😂 2pac is still so relevant today ❤ RIP 2pac
Thanks Joe for being the only real person in that interview
This guy is a hater simply. I can understand because he’s a NY guy. He’s mad because he blames 2Pac’s for Biggie’s death. This is exactly why New York has lost there position in the hip hop game. Yes they started hip hop but it went away from them because of their hate for 2Pac, because 2Pac to the rest of the world is Hip Hop itself.
The rest of the world put 2Pac and hip hop together as one. To the rest of the world pac is the greatest dead or alive.
He told everybody why he was mad at Biggie and he had legit reasons to be upset... Y'all should be upset with Big actually being a studio gangster and not being about that life he represented
Just cause you around someone dont mean you know them at all . Pac had range he wasnt any one thing . Pac was very brilliant and moved on many different levels
It gives him an idea on what the person was like and he actually was there in some events during Tupacs life.
You're just a fan who didn't know Tupac. Stop crying
@@Jcrash71you don’t know him either so stfu clown
No I think what happened was he was angry from getting shot a quad studios,going to prison,and numerous other things.
Once I saw the NY hat I already knew what time it was 😂🤦🏾♂️
Man why is this dude being interviewed
The inference here is that Pac KNEW it wasn't folks down with BadBoy who shot and robbed him. Just because Pac in his understandable paranoia either thought it was them or at least thought they knew who it was and allowed it to happen doesn't mean he was "LYING" and puttin on a front. To say that is crazy
He crazy as a mf
A prophet has no honor where he’s from
Let’s put it simple: PAC is the greatest rapper America produced and that’s the WORLD fact
You guys don’t just know how great the man was just cos his accent is similar to y’all
Man come on all Pac was holding Big and Puff accountable for not telling him what happened!!! They would expect the same if it happened to Big in LA and PAC was there!!
They were his close friends at the time. They most likely knew about the set up but chose not to warn Pac. Thats what he was mad at them for.
Pac wasn't a gangster but he was definitely street, hood and a thug. How can you call someone OVERRATED when HE set the bar? He paved the way for artists like Kendrick, and J Cole.
Joe could have dropped the mic after he said yall don't want to see Pac in a Versuz. I love debating idiots that critique Pac's skill level and technique. He had more important ish to say than trying to sound clever or have the best style, even though he showed he could do that (Same Song, Mind Made Up, If I Die 2nite) name a hip hop song better than Dear Mama. Name one better than Keep Ya Head Up. That's what I thought. And I can keep going.
New York hates Pac 30 years later. Get over it and accept and embrace the goat.
I hear ppl talk about PAC not being this or that BUT his résumé says that he was more gangsta and REALER than a lot of the ppl who were bred from it! Haters gon Hate and shooters gon shoot! LLP!
This the same Tupac that shot two off duty cops Bcus they were assaulting a young black man. Name another rapper you think would do that, And there is nothing more gangsta than standing up for your people.
RIP Pac 🕊️🙏🏿🌹
Pac was true to himself n to what ever he was doing, I respect n luv him 4 that R.i.p to pac❤
If you really a MAN in the streets then you know it's different kinds of street duded. It's the killer's, drug dealers. gamblers etc . Now i personally know killers that got shot and changed their life meaning it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. When Pac got shot it was either sink or swim and he came back ready for revenge. But people who ain't really in the streets can't tell you that so the people who try to discredit Pac most likely wasn't half the man he was.
I wish they’d stop talkin to New York people about pac
This explains why no one should listen to any New Yorkers perspective about ANYTHING unrelated to New York
Right after Tupac died, some cast mates from Gridlock including Thandie Newton said he was running from gangster life. He wanted to change the narrative.
Thanks Joe for checking this hater he got to be from new York
Pac from New York lol
@@bdukes8075 thats why he said fuck NY. Cause of these snake dudes and he saw early on NY suckers are jealous, envious and snakes
@@bdukes8075if you cant comprehend, you slow. Im pretty sure that was known already.
These niggas are talking like this now but when pac was alive niggas was quiet, trust me i was there lol. Not because pac was the toughest guy ever, but because he had enough clout to get them touched, pac rolled with some serious people like e money bags in new york , also hung around crips like big syke, rated r etc. He rolled with some serious cats that had his back. When pac was locked up the black panthers were watching his his back. There are even stories of pac sending the outlawz to check niggaz. Pac even got wu tangs chain back after it was snacthed which leads me to believe pac had deep street connections to pull taht off even tho he was not a gangmember. Pac could get you hurt, it's easy to talk now because pac gone but back then the guy had gangbangers on his pay role, that is why niggaz wasn't really saying much when he was around. Once he died niggaz is talking crazy.
This is so true, there are so many stories of pac getting people to do grimey stuff for him. He had money and clout to get people to do things for him. A boss doesnt have to do everything lol
Only gangbanger artist to shoot a 🐷. Man Mfing erbodi else a character. Tf wrong wit these cats. S/o Joe
New york old heads will forever hate 2Pac
2 things hes obviously eastcoast bias by even saying pac aint that great even admitted it 7:51 and then said pop smoke album which was good was better than victory lap..
Right sound dumb asf
Nah he died cuz he was loyal asf to people he loved. When he found out about the chain he said fuck that
Props to Joe not falling for that 🤡 take