If you guys find any inaccuracies with this video, please drop a comment and let me know so I can attach them to this comment! - The Greater Will was not an outer god. Apparently he's in his OWN TIER, so we've got like... four layers of god tiers going on here. - Messmer was actually OLDER than Radahn, so he was born before him. Who is the dad? Nobody knows. - Caelid only seemed to get the scarlet rot outbreak AFTER Melania's fight with Radahn!
About Messmer's parentage, I'd say that Radagon is his father because Radagon's leitmotif can be found in Messmer's ost but without the melody that symbolizes the Elden Ring since Messmer is spurned from grace. But he definitely is older than Radahn so this makes the timeline a little fuzzy.
@@chrisdepountis3430 Probably a bastard child, born to Marika and Radagon before she married Godfrey. Another possibility is that Messmer is Godfrey's son, but the only connection I can make between the 2 of them is the fact that Messmer's soldiers have a stomp attack that's reminiscent of Godfrey's.
messmer is almost certainly the son of radagon (red hair, fire, name), and older brother of melina, both having one closed eye and a kindling inside them.
@@humbleservant7797 I thought the red hair made it too obvious. Plus I'd say it's a reasonable point since the same goes for most characters' themes in the Dlc. They share leitmotifs with other characters they're connected to (Rellana with Rennala, Midra with the nomadic merchant theme, Bayle with Placidusax's 2nd phase, Romina with Malenia). I guess the other two characteristics that hint at Messmer's father being Radagon would be the red hair, as you mentioned, and the fact that he too suffers from an ailment like Miquella and Malenia.
@@Bori.1776 i agree. It'd seem Mesmer and Melina were the first childs of Marika, potentialy even before or right after her ascencion as a God at the gates of divinity
What item describes that? If it is Gaius's remembrance, it says that both him and Messmer were as elder brothers to the lion. As elder brothers, not literally elder brothers to him
Sadly it is a pretty terrible summary with cause and effect switched around like crazy, wild speculations partly presented as fact and the timeline of certain events just completly out of whack. Its a nice write up but not much more.
Mohg shared his omen blood with miquella, in an attempt to grow him into his own consort for his dynasty. This "accursed blood" was what was needed for miquella to enter the land of shadow, which is why it is also the access point for us to transport there as well. So Mohg wasnt an arbitrary pick "hoping for someone to come along and kill him", miquella could access the realm of shadow by charming mohg to kidnap and share his blood with him
So is omen blood and hornsent blood the same thing? Or are they separate things tied together by the crucible? What does this mean for Dungeater's ending? Does Gold Mask know his dlc lore particularly when it comes to Metyr when mending the golden order?
@@gublaman Omens are just Hornsent that are mysteriously born within the Grace of Marika (Base game). They are called Omens because they are a reminder of what happened in the past and what the future could be.
That is true but I still find it odd that Miquella was essentially waiting for someone to kill Mohg after he entered the land of Shadow, as he needed the body as a vessel for his consort... If no one came along and killed Mohg, Miquella's plan was screwed... And it's even more amusing that Mohg is in what seems to be the most out of the way, obscure to reach place in the entire lands between
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@@rawgamesnippets9412 he sent Malenia after Radahn (because maybe Radahn was not cooperative, and that is why Malenia marched through Godrick), he didn't expect her to fail. My guess the plan was to use Malenia to kill Radahn and then Mohg as well, but Radahn was stronger than expected and Malenia nuked herself out of the equation. So it was not up to a random nobody to kill both, but his most trusted ally who actually happens to be the best fighter in the lands between. This makes sense for me, the plan just went sideways.
One thing i can say, I think Mogh and Morgot were banished cause the Omen are more than likely related to Hornsent, which are the people who cut up Marikas people in her village and put them into jars
Yeah I think so too! I interpreted it as her growing up with the horns being seen as a blessing from the crucible. So naturally Marika would see it as a curse, and her getting children with the characteristics of the crucible might be a sign of its' influence seeping through her new order, which would probably scare and repulse her, so they were sealed away.
I'm no expert but pretty sure there's lore about the previous rot vessel that was sealed in the Lake of Rot by the blue dancer. Also pretty sure Rellana LEFT her moon when she joined Messmer, and was later found by none other than Ranni.
Fun fact: if you go by the lore of tower of suppression that is present right between the Lands Between and if you place the shadow realm map according to the description on the cloud in centre of the lands between, you will see the gap filled almost perfectly and the Shaman village is right beneath the Royal Capital Leyndal. All the divine towers in the Lands between also seems to encircle the tower of supression according to the map.
The Goldmask ending isn’t just restoring what came before. Corwhyn constantly claims that Goldmask must have gone mad with blasphemous thoughts after he discovers the truth of Radagons identity. When you read his mending rune it says something along the lines of an order without the fickle will of any gods. Goldmask is removing the greater will (and probably other gods) and their influence from the world, allowing you to become an Elden lord that isn’t a puppet of some god. Though it isn’t the flashiest, it’s probably the ending that Ansbach would have wanted when he says “do it for us”. Probably my favorite or second favorite behind Ranni’s
The greater will isn't a outer god and is never described as one. Also the greater will is not part of the golden order. The golden order follows the principles of the greater will but it doesn't have direct connection to the greater will. The greater will is basically the will of the universe. The golden order is connected to the elden beast which is a outer god. So what gold mask does is removes the influence that the outer gods had over the world. Gold mask finds out that the golden order isn't really following the greater will like they claim to be. The dlc expands on this idea with metyr who mentioned that she hasn't been in contact with the greater will since the elden beast landed. Aka he makes the world follow the will of the universe and follow the laws of nature compared to the agenda of a outer god.
I always wondered why varre was the first npc you meet when you start the game but now it makes so much sense. Miquellas plan relies on you killing Mohg, and by placing varre where all tarnished end up in the lands between he leads you in the direction of mohgwyn palace. If every tarnished starts out at the first step one of them will eventually follow varre to Mohg and kill him
That would make sense if you weren't told to not use the relic until called upon. You weren't supposed to meet mohg until his dynasty was complete and varre just resented the golden order and turned on their own people in spite. Varre specifically states to not use it until called upon
I've watched many, many videos to claim to explain the lore to this game. Some 2 hours long, some 4 hours long. They all confused me even more that i already was. This video is the first one that gives me some actual understanding of what this game is actually about!! So thank you. From a non gamer that just likes stories ❤
What made me happy with the dlc is that it made Marika much more of an interesting character. In the base game she was too vague. Also Messmer, his bossfight, his knights, his legacy dungeon, his lore. All of them are s tier in my mind
I'm all for leaving some things unanswered and vague, but with this game, I'm honestly convinced, that even Miyazaki himself doesn't have most of the answers we're looking for.
yeah there was an interview he did that basically kinda confirmed that there's no "cannon" type story - a lot of it is vague and left open to interpretation. Miyazaki said he watches some lore videos and finds it interesting to see how people interpreted it
Thing is this is GRR Martin's fault. Every fromsoft game has always been vague but never the type to not actually answer, it was more of a, find it type of story telling not like Elden Ring where even if you find everything it doesn't answer shit. I'd argue Miyazaki is a better lore maker than Martin, also what's with all the incest and miquella thing with Martin anyway?😅 And you know it's him adding it when all these years Miyazaki never added these types of plot points to any of his games. I wish Elden Ring was developed by Miyazaki alone and not with his interference
It’s implied that part of the reason for Marika finally ordering Mesmer to kill the honrsent was due to the hornsent at some point cursing Marika and the golden order believers with the omen curse after she betrayed them. When they did this is not directly stated I think, but that in addition to her already large hatred for them is implied to be the reason.
Honestly, most of Marika's problems line up with some ancient society that she and Godfrey stomped down at some point or another. Messmer's Abyssal Serpent? Well, before Rykard moved in, there was an Ancient Serpent Cult living in Mount Gelmir that venerated and supported the God Devouring Serpent, so it probably got stomped, leading to Messmer's problems. The Omen curse has an obvious source, but the Scarlet Rot being the way it is can be traced back to Messmer torching the Church of the Bud, leading to Romina becoming the way she is now and the Rot taking on a new form.
I have no proof, but I feel like it would make sense to suggest that both Marika and Radagon were both shamans, and its how they were able to seemlessly switch between bodies.
Don’t forget the wandering Mausoleums and graves also have the bodies of Marika’s soulless children that she abandoned. So in reality she’s got like 20+ kids
That's honestly never confirmed... It's more likely that it may just be other members of the golden bloodline. Like Godrick and Godefroy. Godwyn's children and grandchildren and great grandchildren etc. Since Godrick is described as a distant relative.
I saw another video that is hypothesizing that those are actually us, the tarnished because on the beginning video the walking mausoleums can be heard.
I love how godfrey calls himself the FIRST elden lord. It perfectly fits with the narative of the order of light trying to delete the acient history. When new mondarchy was established on dust of other, always the XXX the first came into play. Nothing say that you are the first "new normal" better then that hahaha
39:50 Miquella is quite literally only one or two steps ahead of you the entire time… he’s at the Scadutree base where younsee the Avatar when you arrive at the Scadukeep and his Great Rune breaks.
Great video! But I wanted to point something out: it's confirmed in item description that Messmer was an older brother to Radahn, so he was born before or while Radagon was still married to Rennala. So probably Messmer crusade happened while Godfrey was still Elden Lord (maybe it's the whole reason why Godfrey lost his grace, since he had crucible knights as his personal guards and was close to Morgott - it seems he had no problem with the crucible). We're still not sure who was Messmer's (and Melina's) father. Maybe it was Godfrey himself and their red hair is due to the duality that Marika was suffering when she was split into Radagon or maybe it was Radagon himself in an extramarital relationship while Marika was still married to Godfrey - another potential reason for him losing his grace.
Great video, a few notes: the crucible is akin to the primordial soup, but made of flesh, where all life was born from, and it wasn’t just horns that were associated with them but also wings, spikes, tails, etc, all present as “aspect of the crucible” incantations Regarding fingers, I find it funny that 2 are holy, 3 are blasphemous but 5 are the amount of humans and most bosses The trolls are descendent of the defeated fire giants, and they communed with their god of flame through their eyes in the chest, that’s why trolls have holes in their chests where the eye should be and can’t use fire magic
They missed an opportunity to have Rannie show up if you had completed her quest to help you fight Miquella and Radahn. Two Empyrean’s and their chosen simps.
...false. She was an empyrean, same as Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen. Marika "won" the candidacy to godhood, and Grandam resents her for it. Grandam even calls her a whore, implying Marika may have slept her way to the top.
22:00 “Dude! Melina, Melania, Marika! How the f*** is anyone supposed to f***ing remember this s***!” I’m glad you went through to create a lore video but this was the best part of the video.
Worth pointing out that the Erdtree is confirmed to have come from the Crucible, and item descriptions refer to the Crucible as "the Erdtree's primordial form"
I feel like when the Lands of Shadow were broken off and hidden (if that's true), Merika also did the same to Farum Azula. She knew the old Dragon Lord was sleeping there and placed Maliketh there to watch the portal and keep Destined Death away from the Lands Between. Melina simply found a loophole that her mom left which is her ability to teleport you places.
I feel like your description of Goldmask's ending as "more of the same" is unfair. Goldmask removes Marika's influence over the Lands Between, quite possibly by convincing the Greater Will itself (though the DLC calls this into question, as the Mother of Fingers wasn't even talking to the Greater Will, so it seems odd that the Greater Will would talk to a random monk). Goldmask also indirectly destroyed the Golden Order (which holds at the core of its belief system that Marika is the one true god), but left the Elden Ring intact. In other words, he used admin privileges to make the Elden Ring a read only file, then killed himself so Marika couldn't get the password to his account. No more Shatterings.
One interesting thing of note is that it seems like Marika's people, the Shaman, were first the Numen. A race said to be from somewhere else. So the Hornsent may have just been xenophobic. Which is awful. But pretty common.
Or the description of numen being from another world just refers to the land of shadow. After Marika rose to godhood, it seems she used the elden ring to shift her and the hornsents home "continent" to a separate plane and after removing death from the ring, basically used the now transfixed landmass as a dumping grounds in place of an afterlife. I'll be honest tho, bc of Miyazaki's world building and design style, quite a bit of connecting pieces are missing in favor of ambiguity and interpretation thus leaving them more for gameplay reasons. How do we and the others get to the land of shadow? How did Miquella acquire Mohg's corpse? If he already left his body behind, how was Miquella divesting his flesh again at the crosses? I can usually ignore lore gaps as long as they don't have direct influence on gameplay and the played story.
The intro for this video legit gave me chills. Radhan is so freaking awesome it doesn't make sense 😭 booting the game up again just to halt his advance one more time!
It's pretty cool (for me) that I managed to complete Ranni's ending without guides on my first playthrough. I'm quite sure the other endings were available for me (except the frienzied flame), but I actually liked Ranni's views on how things should be. This is what inspired me to finish her questline, taking me almost 30 hours to complete.
I absolutely love your storytelling style. It’s a lot how I like to and just feels more like you’re having a conversation then listening to a lecture. Both equally viable, but one feels more natural.
This was an amazing video! My only note is that you can get the frenzied flame from the three fingers and burn the Erdtree, then complete Millicent's quest, and become cured of the flame to pick different endings and Melina would survive. But you never see her again, so I can see why this information didn't need to be mentioned.
From what I understood, Marika had plucked the rune of Destined Death first , then the Gloam-Eyed Queen got her hands on it and was using it to kill Gods. So Marika had sent Maliketh to get it back and guard it
All of Marika’s cursed children have names that start with an M, Godwyn does not and was clearly the favorite because of it. The only question is, who was his father? Really?
This is perhaps the strangest drug addled 1970s hippie fever dream I've ever seen. Even Frank Oz couldn't have come up with anything as bizarre as this lore.
A lot of the trolls in the were actually slaves or mind controlled in the lands between. That stone in there stomach takes the place of where the second face should be.
Great video! Not sure if someone had mentioned it yet but Scadu is pronounced like Shadow. It's an old timey way. Kinda like how gaol is pronounced jail in the game.
@@ltrain420000 Heard about the shadoo tree pronunciation a couple days ago, but went through with finishing up the video anyways. Didnt know that about the Gaols though! Thanks for sharing :)
47:00 Hard disagree, the age of order is a modified configuration made by goldmask which would remove the gods out of the equation. By changing it this way any physical holder of the elden ring would disappear removing the need for Empyreans to replace the current god. This would effectively make it so the greter will would have to immediately intervene when willing to do things or use the fingers as prophets to relay messeges to its followers so can do it instead. In short the perfect order would have turned the golden order into the current religions we have. Also the fingers would have a new found purpose in this configuration
Just wanted to say you did a great job making this video. Sure they might be a couple inaccuracies, but for someone who finished the DLC and was left wondering wtf happened is this it, your short, information packed and comedic video was top tier. Thanks so much man, appreciate you
The Erdtree civilization and Golden Order aren’t the same thing. The GO was created only after Marika sealed Destined Death, which was much later than the creation of the Erdtree, after the Gloam Eye incident. Afaik we don’t know if this happened during Godfrey’s tenure, but it’s likely this was either after his banishment or shortly before it. Godfrey is very much associated with the early Age of Plenty and Crucible, before the Erdtree becomes the golden spectral tree we know in the game. He technically might have been Lord for a short time during the early Golden Order, but he very much is not associated with it.
Dropping a comment in the first two min. What you did showing a maxed out tarnished shrinking back to that speck of guidance from grace. This game is more than we deserve. 😅
Wow man I've just watched this video and I've just watched your " see you later" video. And man extremely well done for your first time doing this. Hats off to you man
28:55 =... Some fans theorized Godwynn was Marika's choice to become Ranni's consort as it meant her fave kid would still have a good future. Ranni, already pissed at Marika and her fate just went awol and used him as a sacrifice instead...
you can let melina burn the tree down, then inherit the frenzied flame and you dont hear her saying shes gonna hunt you when you do the ending. all you get is the burning tree and world.
You forgot the Perfect Order ending, to mend the Ring but remove the influence of gods from being able to influence it to their will, both that and the Age of Stars endings are probably what would most likely be considered good/canon. Also a few topics and characters are missed or glanced over in this analysis, but it was good nonetheless and helped add some more insight and possible connections.
I’m offended you’d call the Frenzy Flame ending the worst when Dung Eater literally just wants folks to suffer in excruciating agony. All I did was get burned and burn the tree down. xD best ending aside from Ranni’s.
The lore and narrative is so insanely convoluted that it's extremely hard to decipher, hard to grasp and therefore makes me not care. At least the art is incredible
What's interesting to me about Radahn is that the final dlc cutscene, at least to me, implies that Miquella charmed Radahn into agreeing to be his consort. I think this because of the charmed sound we hear once Miquella talks about the gentleness of his order. However, the weird thing is, did Radahn not know he had to die to become his Consort? Because if he did then why did Radahn even fight Malenia to a standstill? Or does Miquella's charming powers also wipe the memory of those charmed so he wouldnt remember until he was resurrected? Questions on questions and it makes you wonder how much of all this From (Miyazaki and GRRM) actually thought about the details of this DLC when they were developing the base game. I have hope that they actually planned this all along, but who knows!
Two things I wish they added to the game. 1) After Miquila/Rahdan fight, being able to summon Rani so she maybe a God. 2) Additional dialoge for Melina in the DLC, or more dialoge after the tree is burt and the flame supressing needle applied.
Great video! Loved the editing and crediting of fan arts! I have a timeline problem with Melina / gloam eyed queen and destined death. The finger reader tells us the rune of death, aka destined death, is "the forbidden shadow plucked from the golden Order upon its creation". So if Melina is indeed the gloam eyed queen, which she does seem to be, and Mesmer is his older brother per his kindling's item description, they both should've been alive when Marika ascended and created the golden Order. It's also possible that the golden Order was created after Marika's ascension, but it was definitely way before Godfrey's war on the fire giants. I believe Melina and Radagon are the first childs of Marika, potentially from Radagon because they might had began (Radagon and Marika) as separate beings
I also see now why the greater will keeps asking for new gods, or is interpreted to be wanting new gods. It's because the order that comes along fails to maintain it self and so the fingers choose a new god for a new order. It's never eternal as everyone thinks it should.
He says frenzy flame is worst ending, but rannis quest is an illusion meant to give you a false maiden. The only true maiden you’ve always had is Melina. And by becoming frenzy lord you both save your maiden and end the chaos, and she follows you forever afterwards as the only true existing maiden left. Albeit in a vow to defeat you, but you are elden lord and holder of the Elden ring, she’s fated to be stuck as maiden forever because of this. I’ll always believe this is the true maiden ending and not ranni, she’s literally a doll and a false consort using her physical form to manipulate the tarnished. Much like bloodborne true ending of ending the nightmare, frenzy flame ending is similar, but here it’s different, it’s not an end due to the tarnished holding the Elden ring, frenzy flame burning everything to start new makes sense considering what a mess the lands between have become, effectively bringing a new design without a tree and potentially a new game entirely
Absolutely best explanation. I thank thee greatly. If you read or listen to a bit more about Rycard and Radagon-Marica relation, you basically know everything.
The god gate was most likely build by Marika with the help of Mesmer. Which could be te original sin that the game talks about. It was her revenge on the hornsent people, you can see in the trailer how the corpses are still fresh and I think she killed something divine to the hornsent people to take the runes and create her own golden order.
Damn this had to have taken a shitton of effort, thank you man. Although I was trying to get the gameplay story with the dialogues of all characters and the cutscenes of the gameplay without the hours and hours of gameplay to understand the story that unravels in the present, this does explain a lot 😂
I just realized miquella is controlling rahdan. How? We’ll just think in the boss fight miquella hugs us and we are converted to him… he was hugging rahdan the whole time in the second phase of the boss fight. N he comes out when rahdan soul returns i guess. Maybe rahdan wouldn’t have fought us if miquella didn’t hug him
the gold mask ending isnt restoring the golden order to what it was but rather restoring it to what it SHOULD of been, all of marikas mistreatment of the others would not exist, its simply making the golden order perfect
Honestly amazing writeup. I've always had the same question regarding Marika being alive or not in the ending and its crazy vague. The Sacred Relic Sword says a God that should have lived was used to make it, so either Marika/Radagon or the Elden Beast but that also begs the question how a dead person can house the Elden Ring and be a God at the same time. Confusing stuff to be certain. Its never made clear either way so who knows.
If you guys find any inaccuracies with this video, please drop a comment and let me know so I can attach them to this comment!
- The Greater Will was not an outer god. Apparently he's in his OWN TIER, so we've got like... four layers of god tiers going on here.
- Messmer was actually OLDER than Radahn, so he was born before him. Who is the dad? Nobody knows.
- Caelid only seemed to get the scarlet rot outbreak AFTER Melania's fight with Radahn!
About Messmer's parentage, I'd say that Radagon is his father because Radagon's leitmotif can be found in Messmer's ost but without the melody that symbolizes the Elden Ring since Messmer is spurned from grace. But he definitely is older than Radahn so this makes the timeline a little fuzzy.
@@chrisdepountis3430 Probably a bastard child, born to Marika and Radagon before she married Godfrey. Another possibility is that Messmer is Godfrey's son, but the only connection I can make between the 2 of them is the fact that Messmer's soldiers have a stomp attack that's reminiscent of Godfrey's.
messmer is almost certainly the son of radagon (red hair, fire, name), and older brother of melina, both having one closed eye and a kindling inside them.
@@chrisdepountis3430im glad you are that analytical but that just sounds like a bad reason to start with. Maybe start with red hair ?
@@humbleservant7797 I thought the red hair made it too obvious. Plus I'd say it's a reasonable point since the same goes for most characters' themes in the Dlc. They share leitmotifs with other characters they're connected to (Rellana with Rennala, Midra with the nomadic merchant theme, Bayle with Placidusax's 2nd phase, Romina with Malenia).
I guess the other two characteristics that hint at Messmer's father being Radagon would be the red hair, as you mentioned, and the fact that he too suffers from an ailment like Miquella and Malenia.
The writers weren't on coke. It was just George RR Martin doing his best to avoid writing Winds of Winter.
lmaoo
Can't blame him 😂😂 he was wanting to do something fresh for a change lol
The canonical ending is the one from the show.
@@jaykelley103 really? I never finished reading the last 2 books out or the series 😅😂
@@jaykelley103 only some of the story beats not the same entire journey though. like fAegon from Essos or Arianne
Mesmer and Melina were likely born before Radahn, an item description described Mesmer as an older brother to Radahn
thanks for the correction :)
Very likely before Godwin and the omen twins
@@Bori.1776 i agree. It'd seem Mesmer and Melina were the first childs of Marika, potentialy even before or right after her ascencion as a God at the gates of divinity
dragon deez nuts
What item describes that? If it is Gaius's remembrance, it says that both him and Messmer were as elder brothers to the lion. As elder brothers, not literally elder brothers to him
Can’t say I was expecting this, but I will gladly take a lore summary for this collapsed library of a game
“Collapsed library of a game” is the absolute pinnacle of metaphors for this game 👌🏻✨ 10/10 my friend
Perfect metaphor
bro what a perfect metaphor 😂😂.
Sadly it is a pretty terrible summary with cause and effect switched around like crazy, wild speculations partly presented as fact and the timeline of certain events just completly out of whack. Its a nice write up but not much more.
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Mohg shared his omen blood with miquella, in an attempt to grow him into his own consort for his dynasty. This "accursed blood" was what was needed for miquella to enter the land of shadow, which is why it is also the access point for us to transport there as well.
So Mohg wasnt an arbitrary pick "hoping for someone to come along and kill him", miquella could access the realm of shadow by charming mohg to kidnap and share his blood with him
OHHHHH
So is omen blood and hornsent blood the same thing? Or are they separate things tied together by the crucible?
What does this mean for Dungeater's ending?
Does Gold Mask know his dlc lore particularly when it comes to Metyr when mending the golden order?
@@gublaman Omens are just Hornsent that are mysteriously born within the Grace of Marika (Base game). They are called Omens because they are a reminder of what happened in the past and what the future could be.
That is true but I still find it odd that Miquella was essentially waiting for someone to kill Mohg after he entered the land of Shadow, as he needed the body as a vessel for his consort... If no one came along and killed Mohg, Miquella's plan was screwed... And it's even more amusing that Mohg is in what seems to be the most out of the way, obscure to reach place in the entire lands between
@@rawgamesnippets9412 he sent Malenia after Radahn (because maybe Radahn was not cooperative, and that is why Malenia marched through Godrick), he didn't expect her to fail. My guess the plan was to use Malenia to kill Radahn and then Mohg as well, but Radahn was stronger than expected and Malenia nuked herself out of the equation. So it was not up to a random nobody to kill both, but his most trusted ally who actually happens to be the best fighter in the lands between. This makes sense for me, the plan just went sideways.
One thing i can say, I think Mogh and Morgot were banished cause the Omen are more than likely related to Hornsent, which are the people who cut up Marikas people in her village and put them into jars
right on. and they hated anything to do with the hornsent
@@NeddyTheNoodle Such a soulless curse the golden order did, to Mogh and Morgott. Cursed her children into the slayers of her own people 😂
Yeah I think so too! I interpreted it as her growing up with the horns being seen as a blessing from the crucible. So naturally Marika would see it as a curse, and her getting children with the characteristics of the crucible might be a sign of its' influence seeping through her new order, which would probably scare and repulse her, so they were sealed away.
Pretty sure there wasn’t scarlet rot in Caelid until Malenia put it there.
I'm no expert but pretty sure there's lore about the previous rot vessel that was sealed in the Lake of Rot by the blue dancer.
Also pretty sure Rellana LEFT her moon when she joined Messmer, and was later found by none other than Ranni.
Also Miquella helped Freyja meaning he was there after the bloom
@@nickfrost4518oh yeah well if she left her moon then why does she have TWO
@@GetOutterMeHouseI was gonna say that 😂 .
I was gonna say by that logic she has 3.
Yes, this dude has all kinds of timelines jumbled and cause and effect backwards, kinda like watching racoon hopped on fentanyl ...
Fun fact: if you go by the lore of tower of suppression that is present right between the Lands Between and if you place the shadow realm map according to the description on the cloud in centre of the lands between, you will see the gap filled almost perfectly and the Shaman village is right beneath the Royal Capital Leyndal. All the divine towers in the Lands between also seems to encircle the tower of supression according to the map.
The Goldmask ending isn’t just restoring what came before. Corwhyn constantly claims that Goldmask must have gone mad with blasphemous thoughts after he discovers the truth of Radagons identity. When you read his mending rune it says something along the lines of an order without the fickle will of any gods. Goldmask is removing the greater will (and probably other gods) and their influence from the world, allowing you to become an Elden lord that isn’t a puppet of some god.
Though it isn’t the flashiest, it’s probably the ending that Ansbach would have wanted when he says “do it for us”. Probably my favorite or second favorite behind Ranni’s
The greater will isn't a outer god and is never described as one. Also the greater will is not part of the golden order. The golden order follows the principles of the greater will but it doesn't have direct connection to the greater will. The greater will is basically the will of the universe. The golden order is connected to the elden beast which is a outer god. So what gold mask does is removes the influence that the outer gods had over the world. Gold mask finds out that the golden order isn't really following the greater will like they claim to be. The dlc expands on this idea with metyr who mentioned that she hasn't been in contact with the greater will since the elden beast landed. Aka he makes the world follow the will of the universe and follow the laws of nature compared to the agenda of a outer god.
I always wondered why varre was the first npc you meet when you start the game but now it makes so much sense. Miquellas plan relies on you killing Mohg, and by placing varre where all tarnished end up in the lands between he leads you in the direction of mohgwyn palace. If every tarnished starts out at the first step one of them will eventually follow varre to Mohg and kill him
That would make sense if you weren't told to not use the relic until called upon. You weren't supposed to meet mohg until his dynasty was complete and varre just resented the golden order and turned on their own people in spite. Varre specifically states to not use it until called upon
I've watched many, many videos to claim to explain the lore to this game. Some 2 hours long, some 4 hours long. They all confused me even more that i already was.
This video is the first one that gives me some actual understanding of what this game is actually about!! So thank you.
From a non gamer that just likes stories ❤
@@BehindTheFrames im so glad! Thanks for watching :)
💯% agree.
Dont feel bad about not understanding the story, ive beaten this game 8 times and im here becauee im still clueless
Best explanation for me to put everything together in my mind before it was bit and pieces but it more clear now. Thank you
What made me happy with the dlc is that it made Marika much more of an interesting character. In the base game she was too vague. Also Messmer, his bossfight, his knights, his legacy dungeon, his lore. All of them are s tier in my mind
His build is not s tier looks uncomfortable to walk around
@@MrSlayerkid117 scoliosis never stopped him
All we knew base game is she had a penchant for being an unfaithful wife (miyazaki staple) and a genocide happy rule.
I'm all for leaving some things unanswered and vague, but with this game, I'm honestly convinced, that even Miyazaki himself doesn't have most of the answers we're looking for.
Either that or the translation issues are exceedingly bad.
@@NeddyTheNoodle Can confirm it is just as vague in Japanese
The stuff with Miquella is honestly just stupid. How does he abandon his flesh if his corpse is already stuck in the egg in Mohg’s palace?
yeah there was an interview he did that basically kinda confirmed that there's no "cannon" type story - a lot of it is vague and left open to interpretation. Miyazaki said he watches some lore videos and finds it interesting to see how people interpreted it
Thing is this is GRR Martin's fault. Every fromsoft game has always been vague but never the type to not actually answer, it was more of a, find it type of story telling not like Elden Ring where even if you find everything it doesn't answer shit.
I'd argue Miyazaki is a better lore maker than Martin, also what's with all the incest and miquella thing with Martin anyway?😅 And you know it's him adding it when all these years Miyazaki never added these types of plot points to any of his games.
I wish Elden Ring was developed by Miyazaki alone and not with his interference
It’s implied that part of the reason for Marika finally ordering Mesmer to kill the honrsent was due to the hornsent at some point cursing Marika and the golden order believers with the omen curse after she betrayed them. When they did this is not directly stated I think, but that in addition to her already large hatred for them is implied to be the reason.
Honestly, most of Marika's problems line up with some ancient society that she and Godfrey stomped down at some point or another. Messmer's Abyssal Serpent? Well, before Rykard moved in, there was an Ancient Serpent Cult living in Mount Gelmir that venerated and supported the God Devouring Serpent, so it probably got stomped, leading to Messmer's problems. The Omen curse has an obvious source, but the Scarlet Rot being the way it is can be traced back to Messmer torching the Church of the Bud, leading to Romina becoming the way she is now and the Rot taking on a new form.
In lore there was also a Great Demigod Hunt where Godskins apparently hunted down lesser demigods and skinned them
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@@justcallmeleonardo the average tuesday with my homies be like.
It's no wonder the surviving demigods attack you on sight, they must be totally paranoid
The Dr.Disrespect face on Mohgs was absolutely foul💀😂
I have no proof, but I feel like it would make sense to suggest that both Marika and Radagon were both shamans, and its how they were able to seemlessly switch between bodies.
Don’t forget the wandering Mausoleums and graves also have the bodies of Marika’s soulless children that she abandoned. So in reality she’s got like 20+ kids
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That's honestly never confirmed... It's more likely that it may just be other members of the golden bloodline. Like Godrick and Godefroy. Godwyn's children and grandchildren and great grandchildren etc.
Since Godrick is described as a distant relative.
I saw another video that is hypothesizing that those are actually us, the tarnished because on the beginning video the walking mausoleums can be heard.
And our tarnished might be one of these individuals due to clues from when they wake up
Vile strumpet 😂
I love how godfrey calls himself the FIRST elden lord. It perfectly fits with the narative of the order of light trying to delete the acient history. When new mondarchy was established on dust of other, always the XXX the first came into play. Nothing say that you are the first "new normal" better then that hahaha
39:50 Miquella is quite literally only one or two steps ahead of you the entire time… he’s at the Scadutree base where younsee the Avatar when you arrive at the Scadukeep and his Great Rune breaks.
Great video! But I wanted to point something out: it's confirmed in item description that Messmer was an older brother to Radahn, so he was born before or while Radagon was still married to Rennala. So probably Messmer crusade happened while Godfrey was still Elden Lord (maybe it's the whole reason why Godfrey lost his grace, since he had crucible knights as his personal guards and was close to Morgott - it seems he had no problem with the crucible). We're still not sure who was Messmer's (and Melina's) father. Maybe it was Godfrey himself and their red hair is due to the duality that Marika was suffering when she was split into Radagon or maybe it was Radagon himself in an extramarital relationship while Marika was still married to Godfrey - another potential reason for him losing his grace.
Having multiple heads, maybe Placidusaax is both the god and the lord. Similar to how Radagon and Merika are both in the same person. Just an idea.
This comment is edited and yet Marika is misspelled
@@KaliTakumi that is because I misspelled it and did not edit that word.
8@@KaliTakumiyou feel better about yourself now? You must have a lot of free time
Ok but no one has ever told me why miquella’s arm is so fucking big
IMO, the arm in the cocoon isn't Miquella's.
I never thought about that lol
eternal youth my ass
@@BlackFenoif it is his body tho, then some one has to explain how he discarded his flesh in Shadows, when his flesh is in the cocoon.
@@humbleservant7797 Yeah, true.
Only in a fromsoft title can you fight a space amoeba tree dragon to save a god woman from a tree
True and based
And you can do so dressed like a dancer wielding a finger on a stick.
Great video, a few notes: the crucible is akin to the primordial soup, but made of flesh, where all life was born from, and it wasn’t just horns that were associated with them but also wings, spikes, tails, etc, all present as “aspect of the crucible” incantations
Regarding fingers, I find it funny that 2 are holy, 3 are blasphemous but 5 are the amount of humans and most bosses
The trolls are descendent of the defeated fire giants, and they communed with their god of flame through their eyes in the chest, that’s why trolls have holes in their chests where the eye should be and can’t use fire magic
thanks for sharing! :)
2 finger + 3 finger = 5 fingered peoples. Could imply humanities ability to do good and create life or do evil and burn it all down.
They missed an opportunity to have Rannie show up if you had completed her quest to help you fight Miquella and Radahn. Two Empyrean’s and their chosen simps.
That wouldn't of made any sense whatsoever tho
Grandam is like a high priest. She's the crucible religion's version of finger readers. Not an empyrean herself.
...false. She was an empyrean, same as Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen. Marika "won" the candidacy to godhood, and Grandam resents her for it. Grandam even calls her a whore, implying Marika may have slept her way to the top.
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@@xan42O "i made it the fuck up "
22:00
“Dude! Melina, Melania, Marika! How the f*** is anyone supposed to f***ing remember this s***!”
I’m glad you went through to create a lore video but this was the best part of the video.
Worth pointing out that the Erdtree is confirmed to have come from the Crucible, and item descriptions refer to the Crucible as "the Erdtree's primordial form"
Great vid but i think you missed a crucial part in the rise of the golden order, which is the war between them and the dragons
I feel like when the Lands of Shadow were broken off and hidden (if that's true), Merika also did the same to Farum Azula. She knew the old Dragon Lord was sleeping there and placed Maliketh there to watch the portal and keep Destined Death away from the Lands Between. Melina simply found a loophole that her mom left which is her ability to teleport you places.
I feel like your description of Goldmask's ending as "more of the same" is unfair. Goldmask removes Marika's influence over the Lands Between, quite possibly by convincing the Greater Will itself (though the DLC calls this into question, as the Mother of Fingers wasn't even talking to the Greater Will, so it seems odd that the Greater Will would talk to a random monk). Goldmask also indirectly destroyed the Golden Order (which holds at the core of its belief system that Marika is the one true god), but left the Elden Ring intact.
In other words, he used admin privileges to make the Elden Ring a read only file, then killed himself so Marika couldn't get the password to his account. No more Shatterings.
Never thought i'd see an Elden Ring lore vid from you, great vid too :D
One interesting thing of note is that it seems like Marika's people, the Shaman, were first the Numen. A race said to be from somewhere else.
So the Hornsent may have just been xenophobic. Which is awful. But pretty common.
Or the description of numen being from another world just refers to the land of shadow. After Marika rose to godhood, it seems she used the elden ring to shift her and the hornsents home "continent" to a separate plane and after removing death from the ring, basically used the now transfixed landmass as a dumping grounds in place of an afterlife. I'll be honest tho, bc of Miyazaki's world building and design style, quite a bit of connecting pieces are missing in favor of ambiguity and interpretation thus leaving them more for gameplay reasons. How do we and the others get to the land of shadow? How did Miquella acquire Mohg's corpse? If he already left his body behind, how was Miquella divesting his flesh again at the crosses? I can usually ignore lore gaps as long as they don't have direct influence on gameplay and the played story.
The intro for this video legit gave me chills. Radhan is so freaking awesome it doesn't make sense 😭 booting the game up again just to halt his advance one more time!
Perfect. I have something to drive home to tonight.
Dont think the miquella/radahn god/consort thing was meant to be seen as incestual. As the Japanese text refers to radahn as King.
but this is a GRRM story in its roots so who knows lmfaooo
@@Innersixeyeshaha that fucker loves to write some fucked up weird shit in his works lol. Not surprised if that’s the case😂
It's pretty cool (for me) that I managed to complete Ranni's ending without guides on my first playthrough. I'm quite sure the other endings were available for me (except the frienzied flame), but I actually liked Ranni's views on how things should be. This is what inspired me to finish her questline, taking me almost 30 hours to complete.
I absolutely love your storytelling style. It’s a lot how I like to and just feels more like you’re having a conversation then listening to a lecture. Both equally viable, but one feels more natural.
Nah the jokes are bad and ruin the epicness this is not how u tell a story
This was an amazing video!
My only note is that you can get the frenzied flame from the three fingers and burn the Erdtree, then complete Millicent's quest, and become cured of the flame to pick different endings and Melina would survive. But you never see her again, so I can see why this information didn't need to be mentioned.
Didnt think alexander had that big of an appetite
Great as usual man! The Nitrado poke cracked me up man, well done =)
thnx!! hahahaha
From what I understood, Marika had plucked the rune of Destined Death first , then the Gloam-Eyed Queen got her hands on it and was using it to kill Gods. So Marika had sent Maliketh to get it back and guard it
All of Marika’s cursed children have names that start with an M, Godwyn does not and was clearly the favorite because of it. The only question is, who was his father? Really?
All of the demigods either have a G, R or M. George R R Martin
Ton of work. Thanks for pulling it all together!
The server company analogy helped me understand just what the hell the Greater Will is and how it relates to lesser gods. Thanks for that
Frenzy flame ending everytime 😈
Obsessed with this video, thank you so much for compiling everything we lore diggers crave so nicely like this 🙌
This is perhaps the strangest drug addled 1970s hippie fever dream I've ever seen. Even Frank Oz couldn't have come up with anything as bizarre as this lore.
What I wanted is if you brought ranni's doll she mirrors miquella in the promised consort fight cause it should 100% be a show down
A lot of the trolls in the were actually slaves or mind controlled in the lands between. That stone in there stomach takes the place of where the second face should be.
"MESSMER!!! FOE OF MY PEOPLE!"
Great video! Not sure if someone had mentioned it yet but Scadu is pronounced like Shadow. It's an old timey way. Kinda like how gaol is pronounced jail in the game.
@@ltrain420000 Heard about the shadoo tree pronunciation a couple days ago, but went through with finishing up the video anyways. Didnt know that about the Gaols though! Thanks for sharing :)
@@NeddyTheNoodle Anytime. Loved the video. You got a subscriber! :)
47:00 Hard disagree, the age of order is a modified configuration made by goldmask which would remove the gods out of the equation. By changing it this way any physical holder of the elden ring would disappear removing the need for Empyreans to replace the current god. This would effectively make it so the greter will would have to immediately intervene when willing to do things or use the fingers as prophets to relay messeges to its followers so can do it instead. In short the perfect order would have turned the golden order into the current religions we have. Also the fingers would have a new found purpose in this configuration
you forgot gold mask's ending which is actually pretty good!! I did it and liked it! i did the Ranni ending on another playthrough so yea, a thing.
Frenzied Flame ending is metal af and therefore the coolest and best ending.
Finally someone that broke it down in the best simple & comedic manner
Just wanted to say you did a great job making this video. Sure they might be a couple inaccuracies, but for someone who finished the DLC and was left wondering wtf happened is this it, your short, information packed and comedic video was top tier. Thanks so much man, appreciate you
thank you. I've had a lot of responses that dont quite understand just how new I am to this franchise. I appreciate the acceptance!
Technically, Godfrey is the First Elden Lord of his Order. He is the first Elden Lord of The Golden Order.
The Erdtree civilization and Golden Order aren’t the same thing. The GO was created only after Marika sealed Destined Death, which was much later than the creation of the Erdtree, after the Gloam Eye incident. Afaik we don’t know if this happened during Godfrey’s tenure, but it’s likely this was either after his banishment or shortly before it. Godfrey is very much associated with the early Age of Plenty and Crucible, before the Erdtree becomes the golden spectral tree we know in the game. He technically might have been Lord for a short time during the early Golden Order, but he very much is not associated with it.
this was a good video, always wanted to get into the lore but never knew where to start easy to follow ! like the direction of the videos ❤
Dropping a comment in the first two min. What you did showing a maxed out tarnished shrinking back to that speck of guidance from grace. This game is more than we deserve. 😅
Wow man I've just watched this video and I've just watched your " see you later" video. And man extremely well done for your first time doing this. Hats off to you man
Thank you kindly! Expect more videos just like this, very soon
28:55 =... Some fans theorized Godwynn was Marika's choice to become Ranni's consort as it meant her fave kid would still have a good future. Ranni, already pissed at Marika and her fate just went awol and used him as a sacrifice instead...
you can let melina burn the tree down, then inherit the frenzied flame and you dont hear her saying shes gonna hunt you when you do the ending. all you get is the burning tree and world.
2:53 the game should be called “Elden Setting” or “Elden Mod” to make it less confusing
Im so glad I did the Ranni storyline. I hope everyone gets to experience the love, pain and beauty of it.
Miquella: Two Half Brothers make a whole one, right?
I can’t believe I watched the whole video! So well done.
This confirms how weird, crazy, I thought the story was after playing the DLC. 😮😂😢😊
You forgot the Perfect Order ending, to mend the Ring but remove the influence of gods from being able to influence it to their will, both that and the Age of Stars endings are probably what would most likely be considered good/canon. Also a few topics and characters are missed or glanced over in this analysis, but it was good nonetheless and helped add some more insight and possible connections.
Great video. The jokes made the storytelling more entertaining than a regular lore video. Keep it up!
I’m offended you’d call the Frenzy Flame ending the worst when Dung Eater literally just wants folks to suffer in excruciating agony.
All I did was get burned and burn the tree down. xD best ending aside from Ranni’s.
Huhhhhh? Well it’s a pleasant surprise to see you on Elden Ring. Love your Ark survival stories btw :)
The lore and narrative is so insanely convoluted that it's extremely hard to decipher, hard to grasp and therefore makes me not care. At least the art is incredible
Damnnnn soooo much rage at the end, i love this 🤣🤣🤣
What's interesting to me about Radahn is that the final dlc cutscene, at least to me, implies that Miquella charmed Radahn into agreeing to be his consort. I think this because of the charmed sound we hear once Miquella talks about the gentleness of his order.
However, the weird thing is, did Radahn not know he had to die to become his Consort? Because if he did then why did Radahn even fight Malenia to a standstill? Or does Miquella's charming powers also wipe the memory of those charmed so he wouldnt remember until he was resurrected? Questions on questions and it makes you wonder how much of all this From (Miyazaki and GRRM) actually thought about the details of this DLC when they were developing the base game. I have hope that they actually planned this all along, but who knows!
Nice video, keep up the good work bud
Two things I wish they added to the game.
1) After Miquila/Rahdan fight, being able to summon Rani so she maybe a God.
2) Additional dialoge for Melina in the DLC, or more dialoge after the tree is burt and the flame supressing needle applied.
Amazing summary and timeline walkthrough.
It wasn’t consensual radahns eyes are glowing yellow and he looks hypnotized
Great video! Loved the editing and crediting of fan arts!
I have a timeline problem with Melina / gloam eyed queen and destined death. The finger reader tells us the rune of death, aka destined death, is "the forbidden shadow plucked from the golden Order upon its creation". So if Melina is indeed the gloam eyed queen, which she does seem to be, and Mesmer is his older brother per his kindling's item description, they both should've been alive when Marika ascended and created the golden Order.
It's also possible that the golden Order was created after Marika's ascension, but it was definitely way before Godfrey's war on the fire giants. I believe Melina and Radagon are the first childs of Marika, potentially from Radagon because they might had began (Radagon and Marika) as separate beings
I also see now why the greater will keeps asking for new gods, or is interpreted to be wanting new gods. It's because the order that comes along fails to maintain it self and so the fingers choose a new god for a new order. It's never eternal as everyone thinks it should.
best story summary ive seen yet. GOOD JOB!
He says frenzy flame is worst ending, but rannis quest is an illusion meant to give you a false maiden. The only true maiden you’ve always had is Melina. And by becoming frenzy lord you both save your maiden and end the chaos, and she follows you forever afterwards as the only true existing maiden left. Albeit in a vow to defeat you, but you are elden lord and holder of the Elden ring, she’s fated to be stuck as maiden forever because of this. I’ll always believe this is the true maiden ending and not ranni, she’s literally a doll and a false consort using her physical form to manipulate the tarnished. Much like bloodborne true ending of ending the nightmare, frenzy flame ending is similar, but here it’s different, it’s not an end due to the tarnished holding the Elden ring, frenzy flame burning everything to start new makes sense considering what a mess the lands between have become, effectively bringing a new design without a tree and potentially a new game entirely
Absolutely best explanation. I thank thee greatly.
If you read or listen to a bit more about Rycard and Radagon-Marica relation, you basically know everything.
4:20 should probably cite ratatoskr here man
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Melina is not the Gloam-Eyed Queen, who was a Queen Empyrean and rival to Marika for the godhood. There is a big difference in timeline.
I haven't played a SINGLE FUCKIN' SECOND of this game, but the lore is something that's got my interest in a chokehold.
9:50 anyone notice that the scadutree chalice and the area its on look like they fit perfectly into leyndell
This is so good, really hoping the algorithm picks it up soon.
I really enjoyed this video.
I prefer your approach over the melodramatic, super snooty types I normally see on UA-cam.
The god gate was most likely build by Marika with the help of Mesmer. Which could be te original sin that the game talks about. It was her revenge on the hornsent people, you can see in the trailer how the corpses are still fresh and I think she killed something divine to the hornsent people to take the runes and create her own golden order.
Elden Ring have really, really complicated lore, nice video...
This is a good attempt at branching out from ark videos into new game genres!
How come rahdan and Rykard are not conaidered Empyreans like Ranni is? Isnt Ranni's mom Renala as well?
Ask the two fingers.
Damn this had to have taken a shitton of effort, thank you man. Although I was trying to get the gameplay story with the dialogues of all characters and the cutscenes of the gameplay without the hours and hours of gameplay to understand the story that unravels in the present, this does explain a lot 😂
I just realized miquella is controlling rahdan. How? We’ll just think in the boss fight miquella hugs us and we are converted to him… he was hugging rahdan the whole time in the second phase of the boss fight. N he comes out when rahdan soul returns i guess. Maybe rahdan wouldn’t have fought us if miquella didn’t hug him
the gold mask ending isnt restoring the golden order to what it was but rather restoring it to what it SHOULD of been, all of marikas mistreatment of the others would not exist, its simply making the golden order perfect
Honestly amazing writeup. I've always had the same question regarding Marika being alive or not in the ending and its crazy vague. The Sacred Relic Sword says a God that should have lived was used to make it, so either Marika/Radagon or the Elden Beast but that also begs the question how a dead person can house the Elden Ring and be a God at the same time. Confusing stuff to be certain. Its never made clear either way so who knows.
YOU EXPLAINED THIS TO US LIKE WERE BABIES!!! THANK YOU