@@JSINmartini wow aint crap, is still within the top 5 of the best games lol, sure it aint king anymore. But we mmo players do not have much choice lol
I'm the white mage in clip 3 and originally linked him clip 4. The main issue that caused the first clip was because the streamer, our samurai, would very often fuck up in nidhogg and get a dd and wipe us and no one ever bitched or yelled at him and then hes the one who decides to blow up on our tank for fucking up in p7 frequently. That was the reason our raid lead blew up at him lol.
@@houneyh It's still double standards that certain people have. If you're not holding yourself accountable, you can't hold others accountable. That streamer was being childish and selfish.
One thing I've learned doing high level group content (or anything challenging in life, not just gaming) that's very apparent in these malding clips, is that pride is what kills a raiding team and/or someone from improving. This imagined version they have of themselves as this perfect player that are above the rest, but then reality hits them in the face that they're either not special at all or below. Whether it be how they actually are or due to external reasons which they have control over or not (you'd be surprised at how many bad daily life habits that might ruin something unrelated there is), it's a dangerous mix. Oftentimes that anger at themselves go out at others, and when people point it out it's like punching a bruise you made yourself, which is unpleasant for both you and them. Never bring your pride into hard group content and accept that you might be average or below, or that you need to get your life together before having people rely on you. Best way is to make light jokes about your own fuck ups and be honest. If you can joke about yourself and what you do, you'll generally just be a more pleasant person to be around outside raiding too and likely also be open to improving without that pride in the way.
The first guy was British so, that reaction is the American equivalent of him screaming in chat for 20 straight minutes then rage quitting, then doxxing everyone, then swatting everyone. Context is key
For the people asking “why are they getting so mad and yelling”, just understand the people on average are spending 80 to 100 hours in instance doing DSR if not more and it’s a 20 minute fight. Now if someone you’ve noticed is struggling and making mistakes throughout raid but you keep it to yourself until the 18 minute mark, I don’t blame the team for getting frustrated because I’ve been there. People need to put themselves in that perspective and see if they can keep calm, luckily me and my static did.
Honestly they weren't mad enough, if I was that raid lead, as soon as that Dark Knight said they were sorry, if I were that raid leader I would have said "Don't care, stop wasting my time, stop wasting the time of our group and stop being a dumb fuck and learn the fight." That Dark Knight is prob some double digit iq wow rat.
Finally someone with common sense. As a static leader for years I've seen numerous problems and one of the most common is the lack of empathy for a problem that can affect anyone on the team such as the internet drops during the raid, or the most common someone dies from lack of attention by a bad day. We have to know how to deal with it, there are times I've died on purpose to overshadow the guilt of another team member dying a lot, and I went to talk to the person alone later if he was tired if he needed to change the raid time or even some small doubt/difficulty in the mechanics that can facilitate his performance. Malding someone doesn't solve anything, it just makes the situation worse and makes the atmosphere tense, only do it who doesn't want to raid and plays with ill will as if they didn't want to be there.
@@GianinaoBoss Malding does work actually, if I make someone feel like shit for being a fucking idiot for fucking up mechanics over and over, then yeah it helps. They either leave and make my life better or they improve.
@@prod7906 TBF I agree, I had someone scream a lot at me during my first times in raiding in ff14. I would say I've become better by it. NGL though, next time someone shouts tf at me when I had already told them I was new? I'd just leave.
My thoughts were, "This dude sounds like a fucking assho...did he just apologize for wiping the raid?" He wasn't that bad, the second guy went from 0 to 3 then 11.
the fact that a vast majority of the playerbase in ffxiv THINK that this is toxic is a major reason why I quit the game. I really dislike ACTUAL toxic ragekids, but this was so tame, I cant fucking stand these thin-skinned super snowflakes.
Ex-mythic raid leader, Ex-classic raid leader, Ex-TBC officer, Officer in guilds for 10 years....THAT was probably the calmest raid lead ive ever heard; My raid leading style is to tell people dont stand in stupid and just do better and then ninja pull the boss - IM TOXIC / MALDING if people think thats mald they need to "PF" in wow heroic final boss with a guild that has 5 people missing and join their discord and listen to how they talk to eachother. Idk why i feel the need to post this but god damn man people think thats malding? Really? between the 3 people in these comments we've probably seen more mald in 1 raid pull than this entire video.
Learning to raid with people can be just as tough as learning the mechanics of the fight. People have different ways of communicating and different expectations, getting all of that to align can be tricky. I've definitely been unreasonably annoyed at people and also have been the one to fuck up alot, but I do put in extra effort to be as consistent as I possibly can to try and minimize the points of failure in pulls. One thing that has popped up a few times for me while raiding with friends is people getting irked because I noticed someone do something consistently wrong and then I've pointed it out, usually in a way of "By the way x you need to be on y side for that, but I notice you keep ending up on our side" and then later I'd maybe get a comment or something where someone would go "You called that out but yet you were in the wrong spot for z mechanic for the last few sessions and we didn't pull you up on that" If I'm not noticing that I've misinterpreted a strat or how a mechanic works, I want to be told and have it clarified, sometimes if something isn't just outright killing you, you won't immediately know that you're fucking up. Different parts of a fight are understood quicker by different people, like yes please let me know if I'm consistently making the same mistake during prog. How else do we learn if we don't talk through these things? The exchange described above is what really starts to get me pissed off in raiding because it sounds like stuff is being said/not said out of spite for some sort of petty/bitchy reason, which just makes me want to leave once things take that tone. I don't know I agree with yelling being acceptable ever, but you should be able to talk about eachothers mistakes without it becoming too weird.
One of the best ways to look at challenging content like this is to incorporate criticism as a part of the system. You can only gain from others picking up errors you can't spot. Not a hardcore raider, but I have experience with this kind of problem in teamplay, in a different game (e.g. Guild Wars 2 structured PvP). It's understandable in a way though, any competitive game mode creates this kind of strain. Communication is always such a tricky thing, especially when you're raiding and you cannot just let mistakes happen, because the whole team will suffer consequences. Just having tact is not enough, you need people that are open to criticism, and then people that can stay cool under long hours of failure. Not easy. It's a hallmark of immaturity to take things personally like this, and the defence is so vicious because they are trying to retaliate for what they believe to be an assault on their personal beliefs of competence. According to actor-observer bias, they believe it's not their fault, it's the environment. And you pointing out their mistakes is attributed entirely to your intentions and not because of the difficulty of the game creating mistakes and players being human. Once you learn to see outside of yourself and have empathy for others, you have the tools to manage this kind of failure in a group setting, but it's not easy. Everyone is learning and struggling and it's unfair if someone has to take more responsibility and tend to others' psychological needs, especially when it's not appreciated or even regarded as unwarranted.
I’m the scholar in the 3rd/4th clip, and yeah I can say that those clips really opened my eyes for sure about how toxic it can be. But that’s why, at least from my end, I like helping people in PF and I join ultimate PF often so that they have less of a chance of being in an environment like the one I was in. As we speak, I’m actually in 2 other groups helping people prog to clear for the fight, so I guess I’m lucky in that I don’t tilt easily since I’m so used to adjusting in PF. But as always, love the Xeems commentary on top of my voice trying to calm people down in the third clip lol
This just highlights why raid groups easily disband when they get stuck. These are conversations that you need to have when your group gets stuck. You crawl inside each other's assholes and try to puppet through mechanics if it's easier to keep thinking about the fuck ups that way.
And this is why I play Dragoon everybody has low expectations about you but when you start actually performing the right things or just stay alive longer than any of the other DPSS you get a bit respect
nah, the reason why the 4th clip is malding is def the 3rd clip LMAO. like legit I thought "shut the fuck up and stay that way" was going in but then hearing how that dude was going off on the 4th clip I actually felt that shit from the 3rd clip
One thing that we have agreement on playing static is do not greed and focus the mechanics. If then we meet enrage, we add a little more. In the end, we clear DSR and no need for more damage and greeding. That's why my static can still playing together without a problem and can complete the ultimate faster. People who focus on their log always greed and risk wipe, so this is one thing to learn when you do a static.
Sadly. I've been in groups like that, where people need the extreme positivity and need to be pampered and told everything they're doing perfectly and mildly telling them how they should try to tackle mechanics. At the 3rd day trying to prog extreme EXTREME zodiark and hydaelyn as they came out, we weren't even trying to go savage raiding and they took those 2 extremes as practice for savage. Anyways, on the 3rd day i got sick of them messing up and giving this soft ass talk so when the leader asked if anyone had anything to add, i called out the mistakes directly instead of beating around the bush and told the 2nd healer, 2nd tank, dragoon and ninja what they were doing wrong, then we tried again and it was even worse so we called it a night because everyone lost their morale after 3 10ish minutes attempts. However this was a group of friends i was helping do ''hard'' content because they wanted to improve, so i spent the entire week teaching them rotations and babying them while they were forced to do dummy rotations. That week took years out of my life and they still can't take it if you don't beat around the bush to encourage them but at least they've improved enough to not make me stress, but they're very slowly prog'n and still stuck in A5S after about 20hs of starting Alexander savage raids.
Never experienced any of this around my groups, and I play since beta, we literally just trash talk each other, have a laugh and beat the shit out of the content. Sometimes happened to have an I don't know, 30 secs arguments about some dumb mechanic done wrong.
- There's people being hardasses because they've spent ages on something because someone else keeps messing up or they keep getting shit players - There's people to whom being foul-mannered to each other is commonplace and that's just how they interact with each other regardless of how things are - And then there's people who either have mental issues, no social skills, or no life and need more than getting a shiny weapon to fix them
lol when i was a sprout clearing ARR, during the lahabread "trial" where you gotta LB the tear, had a player completely blow up cause we didn't. no callout, or any information was given until the mech was almost over. dude had a complete meltdown over text. then a mentor (which i thought meant something) told him he was being a baby and tore him a new one. i wish i saved it. ironically enough the asshole's name was Positive Vibes
dps threatens to leave party.... me: "cool so we have an open dps slot any know someone ready to fill it" whiny dps: "but i haven't quit ye**removes from party**" me: "anyone else?"
@@aleksei8867 Recently a tank asked me to esuna them and I did without fuss. Actually was a good thing they said something because I didn’t notice they needed it. I don’t know why someone would get pissy about a simple button press 😕
I'm the leader in my group and I don't even say anything when people mess up. I've already told them that personal responsibility is a big thing for me and that they need to figure out what they did wrong and fix it themselves without me needing to say anything. Fortunately, everyone does that in my group. There was zero yelling in my group and everyone was pretty chill all throughout our DSR prog/clear.
lol bro thats the wrong mindset,everyone is a shitty player. Theres alot of shitty players who cleared svg/ultimates,dont limit yourself,just play the game that you paid for..
You know I played 11 for over a decade. We would actually let someone half ass ,because replacements took so long to get. Afterwards we would black ball them community wide. I picked up wow after lich king and people would routinely kick you without a word if they felt like you weren't performing. When ARR came out I returned to the game and played tank for years; it was my way, or enjoy another queue. I had heard during my stormblood break that FFXIV had transformed into this amazingly tolerant community. Imagine my surprise when I messed up my first time doing regular Titania and received a mile of hate in my tells. After that i started saving my FFXIV toxic moment for me or pt members. I now have a robust collection of clips i kick back and watch when i need to check my ego. Turns out we're all just gamers.
VOUCH FOR ME!! VOUCH!!!! On a more serious not, I don't think I'd be able to handle some random stranger yelling at me over a video game. I haven't been yelled at since I was 10, and that was my father. Pretty sure this can be done without yelling, and if it can't, then it ain't worth hit.
Imagine spending 100 plus hours doing DSR and have a .1% enrage. You can tell the guy has been holding back a lot throughout the time raiding with this group but yes yelling at others is definitely not the right way to do it.
That first one is: "Get your fucking head out of your ass" without the language. No mald there. The second one WAS. I have a feeling that third one might have been the end of that one person's time in that raid group.
I don't do savage raids because I don't want to deal with messing up plus being older than average. That said the wisdom of age has made me patient when normal raids or dungeons go bad. I've had to mentor sprouts for a dungeon boss or save a failing raid as a healer. I think most FF14 players can do it, but you need to help each other in this game. If you don't have that personality of having monk like patience , this game would get to you. Yelling seems way more tolerated in other games.
One of our raiders is in his 50s and he is great. Age doesnt matter here. I also think you should find a savage group that fits you like a casual group that has a lot of patience.
@@aragorio The savage thing doesn't appeal to me even if I find watching others do it interesting. I certainly would need a very calm group. Like I said, I do think this game rewards those with a will to do it.
@@Wastingsometimehere tbh savage is "easier" once you get into it. its still hard as you get to the later fights, but it is all a dance. just learning the dance and doing your rotation is all it takes to beat any and all fights in ff14.
@@aragorio trust me casual content is more toxic than highl end content, i can count with my fingers when people were toxic in pf, almost everyday in casual content
The second one I felt bad cause I actually pugged with those people earlier that week and when my friend shows me that clip I found out I think some people were harassing the girl in the clip through whispers (who is his wife) she shouldn't have to deal with the husband's rage. I think they ghosted after he demolished the discord tbh
My first static (for uwu) was pretty...quiet. People barely spoke and we got stuck on Annihilation. I ended up getting my clear in pf and helped everyone else gradually get theirs in pf as well, we never did it as a group. My second static (for tea) had again, mostly quiet peeps. Progress with this group wasn't good, we raided for a month and only made it to bjcc enumerations. We kept having issues with members leaving and needing replacements, so I decided to disband it, once again going on pf and clearing 2 days later....There was no malding, mostly just disappointment. I just told peeps that we didn't do well that week and the disband message was very chill. I'm still hoping to get lucky with a static that I'm able to actually clear with, but I don't see myself raid leading again for a good while. Started DSR, and unless a miracle happens, I'll most likely make it the third ultimate I've cleared in pf.
My thing about "malding" or toxicity like this, is just as useless as the apology. At least an apology is admitting you're fking up, but adding unnecessary pressure to someone who's already trying to get their act together isn't going to help them get better. Either the person having difficulties needs to take a second, ask questions, or come up with an idea to help them get to where they want to be. The person raging can check if they're alright or need anything, but raging and crying about it like a lil kid having a temper tantrum isn't doing anything but making everyone feel uneasy and uncomfortable which can lead to even more unnecessary tilt and wipes.
To a certain extent, this is true. But there comes a point where the only answer you can give is "do it right". "Oh I didn't see arrows, sorry." That happens at your prog point? Fine, its not intuitive to see. That happens once in a lockout? Still fine, shit happens. That happens 3, 4 times a night in P6/Clear prog? Sorry, its reality check time.
honestly stuff like this is why i don't raid in wow or 14 anymore. i know i'm not good enough, no point in wasting other people's time who want to have fun and clear content.
@@MFxKuro PF is a fuckin nightmare for savage stuff, even for extreme stuff in my and my previous FCs experience. I wouldnt recommend it, especially not for ultimates. Ive seen less toxicity in normal dungeons
Only like, 2 of those clips were really toxic. Rest was basically standard fare for raiding. Actually now that I think about it I don't think I ever ran into anyone truly toxic in either FF11 or Destiny. Seen quite a few on 14 though and of course in basically any competitive FPS ever.
Sometimes you just need to take a break. Much better to fess up to being tired or stressed and needing 5-15min, whatever than keep wearing the group down while you are working through some trouble spot.
I like the first one, he was obviously mad but still kept it under control. If you let your anger get a hold of you then you'd get more negative result than a positive one. Letting your anger affect the rest of your group's flow is not...a quality of a decent leader. You'll just get your group more stressed and upset with you, the first one's tone felt more like it would encourage the group into improving better rather than screaming insults.
Frost guy wasn’t mad at all, was just saying it like it is. It’s basically the store owner closing an hour or two early to have a meeting about why quality and customer satisfaction have been dropping. Way you outlined what you’d say though reminds me of the coach in football movies talking shit to his players at half time before giving them the rousing speech.
xeno "how's this bad" first clip Let me explain. The FFXIV community's definition of toxic is literally ANY form of criticism (even constructive criticism) is toxic. But yes you are right its not bad, tell that to the rest of the community tho
I get that all the time on stream when I'm having a discussion with my static. They think the discussion is an argument. Like... goddamn I bet you're static coms are completely silent whenever someone males a mistake
@@XenosysVex ye they are most of the time in a lot of rosters i been through, but if its a common occurance then ppl will speak up about it naturally. Nothing super negative ppl jus be like "stop greeding the mechanic and do it till ur comfy then try greed" or something along those lines
I mean most people that think this are condecending assholes. The problem is tone through text is completely lost. Or people that want you to play 100% efficiently when it really does not matter. If you really think about at least savage, even if every person only messes up once at the right spot that is still 8 pulls and if that is say 5 mins into the fight then you have flushed 40 mins down the drain on the same mechanic. If you can't have the patience for that then you really need to just find a sweatier group. Though those will break up all the time due to people's ego trips.
It may not be that the people you raid with hold each other to high standards etc as much as maybe you play with people who like each other outside of raiding? I think when people don't like each other outside of raiding and are just together to clear content there is a higher likelihood of the 3rd and 4th. Even if that tank said "I'll fix my shit" they would have still been pissed and said "that doesn't help", etc. People like this don't want to help the other person because they are just there to clear content and not playing with people they like or respect. Even in your screw up you posted most of the people with you are just giving you hard time for fun - the players in 3 and 4 meant what they said.
I feel this tier I've had to almost tip-toe with the group i'm in because of certain players just not being able to handle shit talking, or being called out on doing something wrong several times. Like these clips aren't all that bad imo, like one of them may have been a little spicy at most lol
Yea I noticed the ff14 community is a little soft. Also very passive aggressive. It’s better than being called the n word though on Xbox live so there’s that
i got into ff14 last year and i want to do savage raids but im very scared since i never have before. i dont want to make anyone mad for my mess ups, i wanna learn but i also dont want to waste someones time. however i feel if i learn to savage raid more often itll improve my playstyle so much more
Its best to get a grasp at how your jobs work so you can output the most damage possible (it's necessary when dps checks are tight, you have to learn this) and most fights have guides pretty much as soon as they come out that you should watch if you want to know what's going on. Each raid is basically just memorizing each mechanic and knowing what to do while doing damage. If you can't or don't want to do that then raiding isn't for you
These kinds of videos always make me glad that I don't do the hard content. I do have anger issues, so I would absolutely not have fun trying to learn these things from scratch. Though I at least know enough to keep myself muted in games with voice chat if I get angry.
I am glad to retire from savage and ultimate raiding this just gets so sweaty. I am used to criticism, you can never raid without criticism or raiding just isn’t for you.
When a group is consistently failing in voice chat constantly bantering with side chatter is when I get annoyed. Just shut up and focus. Do fun time later. Spending more than one lockout on a reclear is abysmal. Side chatter causes wipes. Change my mind.
Side chatter only causes wipes during parts where you particularly need to be focused. If your group doesn't suck most side chatter shouldn't effect you much. Sometimes you really do need clear coms like nael or something but otherwise you should be able to get away with it in a good portion of savage at least and in like the first phase of the ultis
If you're wiping a lot though yeah it should be avoided but if you're not and it's not a hard phase which at least in savage most stuff isn't really that bad it shouldn't be an issue unless your group all has attention issues lol
On a side note, this is pretty tame. If you can't handle the stress of an ultimate, gtfo. If you know the person is fucking up fix it before it gets 18 minutes into the fight over and over again so you can clear. Personal responsibility aides team responsibility. But yeah, own up to the fucking mistake, don't give an excuse, and simply just do better. My pet peeve is blaminging someone else for your death.
Please God I would love to raid with you guys lol, if this is the harsh talking I get for wipes I am good :D I have been hardened by WoW guild players.
That first one was the most politest mald in history LOL
So true, he’s obviously mad but he’s still under control. He’s just saying more than he’d normally say but not in a bad way
Can we just gather all the saltiest of saltiest players into one full party and watch them try to clear the next ultimate?
Sure, I would say invite me, but I guaranteed would get you banned lol
Or maybe all the WOW internet tuff guys get go back to their crappy game
@@JSINmartini wow aint crap, is still within the top 5 of the best games lol, sure it aint king anymore. But we mmo players do not have much choice lol
"who clipped this....You're a pussy"
Holy based. XIV needs more of this
He was in chat when he said this too lmao
I would say. "It was me. To make an example of you. Be nice and git gud, scrub."
First one definitely wasnt mald, especially since he said sorry lol
I'm the white mage in clip 3 and originally linked him clip 4. The main issue that caused the first clip was because the streamer, our samurai, would very often fuck up in nidhogg and get a dd and wipe us and no one ever bitched or yelled at him and then hes the one who decides to blow up on our tank for fucking up in p7 frequently. That was the reason our raid lead blew up at him lol.
But y'all cleared the next day with the replacement tank. So it's safe to say that the DRK was straight up shit.
@@houneyh It's still double standards that certain people have. If you're not holding yourself accountable, you can't hold others accountable. That streamer was being childish and selfish.
@@houneyh It's about accountability, that SAM needs to look at himself before he starts sprouting shit like that to the group.
sounds like a gigachad raid lead to me
One thing I've learned doing high level group content (or anything challenging in life, not just gaming) that's very apparent in these malding clips, is that pride is what kills a raiding team and/or someone from improving. This imagined version they have of themselves as this perfect player that are above the rest, but then reality hits them in the face that they're either not special at all or below.
Whether it be how they actually are or due to external reasons which they have control over or not (you'd be surprised at how many bad daily life habits that might ruin something unrelated there is), it's a dangerous mix. Oftentimes that anger at themselves go out at others, and when people point it out it's like punching a bruise you made yourself, which is unpleasant for both you and them.
Never bring your pride into hard group content and accept that you might be average or below, or that you need to get your life together before having people rely on you. Best way is to make light jokes about your own fuck ups and be honest. If you can joke about yourself and what you do, you'll generally just be a more pleasant person to be around outside raiding too and likely also be open to improving without that pride in the way.
The first guy was British so, that reaction is the American equivalent of him screaming in chat for 20 straight minutes then rage quitting, then doxxing everyone, then swatting everyone. Context is key
Brits think this is malding yea
LOL
I’m British and I don’t think that was malding 😂
For the people asking “why are they getting so mad and yelling”, just understand the people on average are spending 80 to 100 hours in instance doing DSR if not more and it’s a 20 minute fight. Now if someone you’ve noticed is struggling and making mistakes throughout raid but you keep it to yourself until the 18 minute mark, I don’t blame the team for getting frustrated because I’ve been there. People need to put themselves in that perspective and see if they can keep calm, luckily me and my static did.
Honestly they weren't mad enough, if I was that raid lead, as soon as that Dark Knight said they were sorry, if I were that raid leader I would have said "Don't care, stop wasting my time, stop wasting the time of our group and stop being a dumb fuck and learn the fight." That Dark Knight is prob some double digit iq wow rat.
Finally someone with common sense. As a static leader for years I've seen numerous problems and one of the most common is the lack of empathy for a problem that can affect anyone on the team such as the internet drops during the raid, or the most common someone dies from lack of attention by a bad day. We have to know how to deal with it, there are times I've died on purpose to overshadow the guilt of another team member dying a lot, and I went to talk to the person alone later if he was tired if he needed to change the raid time or even some small doubt/difficulty in the mechanics that can facilitate his performance.
Malding someone doesn't solve anything, it just makes the situation worse and makes the atmosphere tense, only do it who doesn't want to raid and plays with ill will as if they didn't want to be there.
@@GianinaoBoss Malding does work actually, if I make someone feel like shit for being a fucking idiot for fucking up mechanics over and over, then yeah it helps. They either leave and make my life better or they improve.
@@prod7906 TBF I agree, I had someone scream a lot at me during my first times in raiding in ff14. I would say I've become better by it.
NGL though, next time someone shouts tf at me when I had already told them I was new? I'd just leave.
@@prod7906 Maybe for you, but I fight fire with hell so i'm gonna either get kicked or reported.
Lol at the people thinking the first clip is toxic. This is just someone that is telling it like it is. That's called being real. Not toxic.
My thoughts were, "This dude sounds like a fucking assho...did he just apologize for wiping the raid?"
He wasn't that bad, the second guy went from 0 to 3 then 11.
I didn't think the first one was bad at all? That was really well done. I RL in WoW and man this isn't bad at all. It was respectful.
the fact that a vast majority of the playerbase in ffxiv THINK that this is toxic is a major reason why I quit the game. I really dislike ACTUAL toxic ragekids, but this was so tame, I cant fucking stand these thin-skinned super snowflakes.
Ex-mythic raid leader, Ex-classic raid leader, Ex-TBC officer, Officer in guilds for 10 years....THAT was probably the calmest raid lead ive ever heard; My raid leading style is to tell people dont stand in stupid and just do better and then ninja pull the boss - IM TOXIC / MALDING if people think thats mald they need to "PF" in wow heroic final boss with a guild that has 5 people missing and join their discord and listen to how they talk to eachother.
Idk why i feel the need to post this but god damn man people think thats malding? Really? between the 3 people in these comments we've probably seen more mald in 1 raid pull than this entire video.
Learning to raid with people can be just as tough as learning the mechanics of the fight. People have different ways of communicating and different expectations, getting all of that to align can be tricky. I've definitely been unreasonably annoyed at people and also have been the one to fuck up alot, but I do put in extra effort to be as consistent as I possibly can to try and minimize the points of failure in pulls.
One thing that has popped up a few times for me while raiding with friends is people getting irked because I noticed someone do something consistently wrong and then I've pointed it out, usually in a way of "By the way x you need to be on y side for that, but I notice you keep ending up on our side" and then later I'd maybe get a comment or something where someone would go "You called that out but yet you were in the wrong spot for z mechanic for the last few sessions and we didn't pull you up on that"
If I'm not noticing that I've misinterpreted a strat or how a mechanic works, I want to be told and have it clarified, sometimes if something isn't just outright killing you, you won't immediately know that you're fucking up. Different parts of a fight are understood quicker by different people, like yes please let me know if I'm consistently making the same mistake during prog.
How else do we learn if we don't talk through these things? The exchange described above is what really starts to get me pissed off in raiding because it sounds like stuff is being said/not said out of spite for some sort of petty/bitchy reason, which just makes me want to leave once things take that tone.
I don't know I agree with yelling being acceptable ever, but you should be able to talk about eachothers mistakes without it becoming too weird.
One of the best ways to look at challenging content like this is to incorporate criticism as a part of the system. You can only gain from others picking up errors you can't spot.
Not a hardcore raider, but I have experience with this kind of problem in teamplay, in a different game (e.g. Guild Wars 2 structured PvP). It's understandable in a way though, any competitive game mode creates this kind of strain. Communication is always such a tricky thing, especially when you're raiding and you cannot just let mistakes happen, because the whole team will suffer consequences. Just having tact is not enough, you need people that are open to criticism, and then people that can stay cool under long hours of failure. Not easy.
It's a hallmark of immaturity to take things personally like this, and the defence is so vicious because they are trying to retaliate for what they believe to be an assault on their personal beliefs of competence. According to actor-observer bias, they believe it's not their fault, it's the environment. And you pointing out their mistakes is attributed entirely to your intentions and not because of the difficulty of the game creating mistakes and players being human.
Once you learn to see outside of yourself and have empathy for others, you have the tools to manage this kind of failure in a group setting, but it's not easy. Everyone is learning and struggling and it's unfair if someone has to take more responsibility and tend to others' psychological needs, especially when it's not appreciated or even regarded as unwarranted.
@@ralk7048 bull crap don't talk to people like you are crazy
@@elvangulley3210 sure
I’m the scholar in the 3rd/4th clip, and yeah I can say that those clips really opened my eyes for sure about how toxic it can be. But that’s why, at least from my end, I like helping people in PF and I join ultimate PF often so that they have less of a chance of being in an environment like the one I was in. As we speak, I’m actually in 2 other groups helping people prog to clear for the fight, so I guess I’m lucky in that I don’t tilt easily since I’m so used to adjusting in PF. But as always, love the Xeems commentary on top of my voice trying to calm people down in the third clip lol
Man I never expected xeems to react to us but also wish it was some funny clip or smth lol
HI IVIH BIIG FAAAAAN IM UR NUMBER 1 FANNNNNN
Who was malding was it Pressure? xD
HI IVIH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Ivih :3
"VOUCH FOR ME!" LMAOOO I fucking lost it! xD
Thanks for keeping it real.
That dude was polite and rather gentle. Sounded more like a pep-talk to me.
This just highlights why raid groups easily disband when they get stuck. These are conversations that you need to have when your group gets stuck.
You crawl inside each other's assholes and try to puppet through mechanics if it's easier to keep thinking about the fuck ups that way.
Its exactly what I tell my static.
"Don't just be sorry. Be better!"
2:10 still catches me off guard when full mega bearded gigachad activates uwu mode
And this is why I play Dragoon everybody has low expectations about you but when you start actually performing the right things or just stay alive longer than any of the other DPSS you get a bit respect
big brain
ayo that shit is textbook Machiavellianism 😂😂😂😂
A person or two in the 3rd and 4th clip were in our discord/static. When this dropped we were all rolling. Nice stuff.
nah, the reason why the 4th clip is malding is def the 3rd clip LMAO. like legit I thought "shut the fuck up and stay that way" was going in but then hearing how that dude was going off on the 4th clip I actually felt that shit from the 3rd clip
One thing that we have agreement on playing static is do not greed and focus the mechanics. If then we meet enrage, we add a little more. In the end, we clear DSR and no need for more damage and greeding. That's why my static can still playing together without a problem and can complete the ultimate faster. People who focus on their log always greed and risk wipe, so this is one thing to learn when you do a static.
First one was not bad, but depending on the group it could be morale breaking. It very much depends on your group dynamic.
Sadly. I've been in groups like that, where people need the extreme positivity and need to be pampered and told everything they're doing perfectly and mildly telling them how they should try to tackle mechanics. At the 3rd day trying to prog extreme EXTREME zodiark and hydaelyn as they came out, we weren't even trying to go savage raiding and they took those 2 extremes as practice for savage. Anyways, on the 3rd day i got sick of them messing up and giving this soft ass talk so when the leader asked if anyone had anything to add, i called out the mistakes directly instead of beating around the bush and told the 2nd healer, 2nd tank, dragoon and ninja what they were doing wrong, then we tried again and it was even worse so we called it a night because everyone lost their morale after 3 10ish minutes attempts. However this was a group of friends i was helping do ''hard'' content because they wanted to improve, so i spent the entire week teaching them rotations and babying them while they were forced to do dummy rotations.
That week took years out of my life and they still can't take it if you don't beat around the bush to encourage them but at least they've improved enough to not make me stress, but they're very slowly prog'n and still stuck in A5S after about 20hs of starting Alexander savage raids.
@@rRekko If you were any bit as condescending to them as you were in this comment, I don't blame them for losing morale.
Never experienced any of this around my groups, and I play since beta, we literally just trash talk each other, have a laugh and beat the shit out of the content.
Sometimes happened to have an I don't know, 30 secs arguments about some dumb mechanic done wrong.
on the e10s clip, it was the ninja raging. the broadcaster is Edman Cho and he's chill and v nice
- There's people being hardasses because they've spent ages on something because someone else keeps messing up or they keep getting shit players
- There's people to whom being foul-mannered to each other is commonplace and that's just how they interact with each other regardless of how things are
- And then there's people who either have mental issues, no social skills, or no life and need more than getting a shiny weapon to fix them
Sounds like you don't have a shiny weapon LMAO
@@sammiedodge2513 Doing ultimates is about just that, doing them. The weapons look shit.
Those are the same ppl
lol when i was a sprout clearing ARR, during the lahabread "trial" where you gotta LB the tear, had a player completely blow up cause we didn't. no callout, or any information was given until the mech was almost over. dude had a complete meltdown over text. then a mentor (which i thought meant something) told him he was being a baby and tore him a new one. i wish i saved it. ironically enough the asshole's name was Positive Vibes
"Don't be sorry becareful" - Kat Williams
When Xeno malds about the first guy not malding lol
dps threatens to leave party....
me: "cool so we have an open dps slot any know someone ready to fill it"
whiny dps: "but i haven't quit ye**removes from party**"
me: "anyone else?"
So this is what passes as toxic these days?
@@aleksei8867 Recently a tank asked me to esuna them and I did without fuss. Actually was a good thing they said something because I didn’t notice they needed it. I don’t know why someone would get pissy about a simple button press 😕
@@slicemup9 Recently people have been assholes in the game and for me it is coming from the level 50 raids. Not 80 or 90 raids… the level 50 ones.
If this is considered toxic, isn't that a good thing? It means things are getting less toxic in general.
Honestly I'm glad that ffxiv doesn't have voice chat or anything if people could hear me playing during pvp whoooo boy I would've been banned already
@@slicemup9 free trail players are toxic???
I'm the leader in my group and I don't even say anything when people mess up. I've already told them that personal responsibility is a big thing for me and that they need to figure out what they did wrong and fix it themselves without me needing to say anything. Fortunately, everyone does that in my group. There was zero yelling in my group and everyone was pretty chill all throughout our DSR prog/clear.
This is why I don't do hard content I know I am a shitty player that will waste other people's time so I don't do it.
lol bro thats the wrong mindset,everyone is a shitty player. Theres alot of shitty players who cleared svg/ultimates,dont limit yourself,just play the game that you paid for..
You know I played 11 for over a decade. We would actually let someone half ass ,because replacements took so long to get. Afterwards we would black ball them community wide. I picked up wow after lich king and people would routinely kick you without a word if they felt like you weren't performing. When ARR came out I returned to the game and played tank for years; it was my way, or enjoy another queue. I had heard during my stormblood break that FFXIV had transformed into this amazingly tolerant community. Imagine my surprise when I messed up my first time doing regular Titania and received a mile of hate in my tells. After that i started saving my FFXIV toxic moment for me or pt members. I now have a robust collection of clips i kick back and watch when i need to check my ego. Turns out we're all just gamers.
Of all the fights to get yelled at it was Titania? That bitch fucked up everybody that's the one you'd think people would let slide.
VOUCH FOR ME!! VOUCH!!!!
On a more serious not, I don't think I'd be able to handle some random stranger yelling at me over a video game. I haven't been yelled at since I was 10, and that was my father. Pretty sure this can be done without yelling, and if it can't, then it ain't worth hit.
Imagine spending 100 plus hours doing DSR and have a .1% enrage. You can tell the guy has been holding back a lot throughout the time raiding with this group but yes yelling at others is definitely not the right way to do it.
My mute/kick trigger finger is bad for mfs like that
Remember people, if someone says "you don't pay my sub", you have every right to say "you don't pay ours either so stop wasting our time"
that last clip though, i'm laughing so hard
That first one is: "Get your fucking head out of your ass" without the language. No mald there.
The second one WAS.
I have a feeling that third one might have been the end of that one person's time in that raid group.
This video is so good FFXIV needs to put it on their front page of the Lodestone.
I don't do savage raids because I don't want to deal with messing up plus being older than average. That said the wisdom of age has made me patient when normal raids or dungeons go bad. I've had to mentor sprouts for a dungeon boss or save a failing raid as a healer. I think most FF14 players can do it, but you need to help each other in this game. If you don't have that personality of having monk like patience , this game would get to you. Yelling seems way more tolerated in other games.
One of our raiders is in his 50s and he is great. Age doesnt matter here. I also think you should find a savage group that fits you like a casual group that has a lot of patience.
@@aragorio The savage thing doesn't appeal to me even if I find watching others do it interesting. I certainly would need a very calm group. Like I said, I do think this game rewards those with a will to do it.
@@Wastingsometimehere tbh savage is "easier" once you get into it. its still hard as you get to the later fights, but it is all a dance. just learning the dance and doing your rotation is all it takes to beat any and all fights in ff14.
@@aragorio trust me casual content is more toxic than highl end content, i can count with my fingers when people were toxic in pf, almost everyday in casual content
@@kvotheelir4729 it most riaders runnin casual content trying to force the ppl speed run dungs
The second one I felt bad cause I actually pugged with those people earlier that week and when my friend shows me that clip I found out I think some people were harassing the girl in the clip through whispers (who is his wife) she shouldn't have to deal with the husband's rage.
I think they ghosted after he demolished the discord tbh
My first static (for uwu) was pretty...quiet. People barely spoke and we got stuck on Annihilation. I ended up getting my clear in pf and helped everyone else gradually get theirs in pf as well, we never did it as a group.
My second static (for tea) had again, mostly quiet peeps. Progress with this group wasn't good, we raided for a month and only made it to bjcc enumerations. We kept having issues with members leaving and needing replacements, so I decided to disband it, once again going on pf and clearing 2 days later....There was no malding, mostly just disappointment. I just told peeps that we didn't do well that week and the disband message was very chill.
I'm still hoping to get lucky with a static that I'm able to actually clear with, but I don't see myself raid leading again for a good while. Started DSR, and unless a miracle happens, I'll most likely make it the third ultimate I've cleared in pf.
My thing about "malding" or toxicity like this, is just as useless as the apology. At least an apology is admitting you're fking up, but adding unnecessary pressure to someone who's already trying to get their act together isn't going to help them get better. Either the person having difficulties needs to take a second, ask questions, or come up with an idea to help them get to where they want to be. The person raging can check if they're alright or need anything, but raging and crying about it like a lil kid having a temper tantrum isn't doing anything but making everyone feel uneasy and uncomfortable which can lead to even more unnecessary tilt and wipes.
To a certain extent, this is true. But there comes a point where the only answer you can give is "do it right".
"Oh I didn't see arrows, sorry." That happens at your prog point? Fine, its not intuitive to see. That happens once in a lockout? Still fine, shit happens.
That happens 3, 4 times a night in P6/Clear prog? Sorry, its reality check time.
"This isn't bad"
famous last words
honestly stuff like this is why i don't raid in wow or 14 anymore. i know i'm not good enough, no point in wasting other people's time who want to have fun and clear content.
Don't give up man, why don't you try pf?
@@MFxKuro i'm ok with not doing content. i'd rather not ruin other's fun
@@vantheus1002 aint nothin wrong with that. Do what you find enjoyable
@@MFxKuro PF is a fuckin nightmare for savage stuff, even for extreme stuff in my and my previous FCs experience. I wouldnt recommend it, especially not for ultimates. Ive seen less toxicity in normal dungeons
@@Nyeril I run ucob and uwu in pf with no problem, also 3 wipes = disband is not a nightmare
VOUCH FOR ME BRO!
Only like, 2 of those clips were really toxic. Rest was basically standard fare for raiding.
Actually now that I think about it I don't think I ever ran into anyone truly toxic in either FF11 or Destiny.
Seen quite a few on 14 though and of course in basically any competitive FPS ever.
Sometimes you just need to take a break. Much better to fess up to being tired or stressed and needing 5-15min, whatever than keep wearing the group down while you are working through some trouble spot.
That first one was so chill lol
Xeno should've seen the Mori Reaper clip from Elemental. Now THAT's malding.
This dude just sounds like someones boss at work on a really shitty busy day lol
Xenos: "DO not be sorry! Be better!"
I like the first one, he was obviously mad but still kept it under control. If you let your anger get a hold of you then you'd get more negative result than a positive one. Letting your anger affect the rest of your group's flow is not...a quality of a decent leader. You'll just get your group more stressed and upset with you, the first one's tone felt more like it would encourage the group into improving better rather than screaming insults.
I dont blame anyone for malding in DSR, if one person keeps fucking up and slowing prog, they gotta go. DSR is way too brutal to try to carry anyone.
"Raging and malding" these are literally better or similar to a normal day in other games. LOL
is why I only do the hardcore content a couple times every now and again cause I KNOW FOR A FACT that I WILL mald
4th malding is the prequel of 3rd malding
Frost guy wasn’t mad at all, was just saying it like it is. It’s basically the store owner closing an hour or two early to have a meeting about why quality and customer satisfaction have been dropping.
Way you outlined what you’d say though reminds me of the coach in football movies talking shit to his players at half time before giving them the rousing speech.
This is some of the greatest content xeno 😂😂😂
More maldings reacts!!!!
A typical old school WoW Raid leader.
"WHELPS! LEFT SIDE. MANY WHELPS....
FUUU%%%%%%%%%!!!!!!!!"
ah, gotta love that server tick when they decide are you in or not :D
It's always end of castbar my man, always. All castbars end on a server tick from the boss side.
@@totallynottrademarked5279 Ordained Stillness would like a word, a final word, perhaps
#2 knew he was getting ready to blow a coark lol
Imagining getting told to git gud in a polite way with an apology..... Melding lol
xeno "how's this bad" first clip
Let me explain. The FFXIV community's definition of toxic is literally ANY form of criticism (even constructive criticism) is toxic.
But yes you are right its not bad, tell that to the rest of the community tho
I get that all the time on stream when I'm having a discussion with my static. They think the discussion is an argument. Like... goddamn I bet you're static coms are completely silent whenever someone males a mistake
@@XenosysVex ye they are most of the time in a lot of rosters i been through, but if its a common occurance then ppl will speak up about it naturally. Nothing super negative ppl jus be like "stop greeding the mechanic and do it till ur comfy then try greed" or something along those lines
I mean most people that think this are condecending assholes. The problem is tone through text is completely lost. Or people that want you to play 100% efficiently when it really does not matter. If you really think about at least savage, even if every person only messes up once at the right spot that is still 8 pulls and if that is say 5 mins into the fight then you have flushed 40 mins down the drain on the same mechanic. If you can't have the patience for that then you really need to just find a sweatier group. Though those will break up all the time due to people's ego trips.
Not any form big the way you say it matters.ppl in ffxiv community need to learn to give advice without soundinlike dicks
When you mald more over lack of malding!
LMFAO!!!!!
It may not be that the people you raid with hold each other to high standards etc as much as maybe you play with people who like each other outside of raiding? I think when people don't like each other outside of raiding and are just together to clear content there is a higher likelihood of the 3rd and 4th. Even if that tank said "I'll fix my shit" they would have still been pissed and said "that doesn't help", etc. People like this don't want to help the other person because they are just there to clear content and not playing with people they like or respect.
Even in your screw up you posted most of the people with you are just giving you hard time for fun - the players in 3 and 4 meant what they said.
I feel this tier I've had to almost tip-toe with the group i'm in because of certain players just not being able to handle shit talking, or being called out on doing something wrong several times.
Like these clips aren't all that bad imo, like one of them may have been a little spicy at most lol
ngl hearing this guy loosing his shit just makes me wonder if he is always so emotional like that … like irl
9:05 xenos literally died cause he used plunge at the wrong moment lol.
9:40 OMEGALUL 💀💀💀
Can somebody gimme link to the e10s clip ? Thx 😊
i was expecting more screaming and cursing because it got the title raging and malding but i was a fool to expect screaming and shouting :pepesadge:
Clickbait Sadge
Raiders sound like the biggest losers in existence
Good lord this video and the comments are why I stay out of hardcore raiding. You take the ultimate weapons, I'll take my sanity thanks.
man, watching my friend get yelled at in 3rd/4th clip really put a damper on this video
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This is malding for the rest of the world strummer....
Yea I noticed the ff14 community is a little soft. Also very passive aggressive.
It’s better than being called the n word though on Xbox live so there’s that
@@virustoohazem lmao you just proved my point. I could feel the passive aggressiveness through my screen
It’s because it’s mostly played by lefty hugbox autists that have never had a job or a real confrontation in their life.
@@MidnightPausch Passive aggressive mild shittalking is not "so much worse" than blatantly being racist or sexist or all the other shit, no.
@@hass556 how is what he said passive aggressive?
Pretty sure he photoshops his beard bigger in the thumbs. Praise father baldo the gnome.
More dots, more dots, thats 50dkp minus, who the F was that, even sides... wise words of World of warcraft raid leader hahaha
i got into ff14 last year and i want to do savage raids but im very scared since i never have before. i dont want to make anyone mad for my mess ups, i wanna learn but i also dont want to waste someones time. however i feel if i learn to savage raid more often itll improve my playstyle so much more
Its best to get a grasp at how your jobs work so you can output the most damage possible (it's necessary when dps checks are tight, you have to learn this) and most fights have guides pretty much as soon as they come out that you should watch if you want to know what's going on. Each raid is basically just memorizing each mechanic and knowing what to do while doing damage. If you can't or don't want to do that then raiding isn't for you
Clearing savage content in the pf is a real struggle. But I'd rather do that than through a raid group. Tried it - nah🤧
It hard to replace for DSR with my static hours it basically why we gave up.
Maybe it’s just because I’m a turbo casual but this just doesn’t seem like a good time to me. Like are these people having fun?
Don't ever change Xeno ❤️from 🇦🇺
I won’t do ultimates because of the attitude it makes people. I prefer more casual content for cool rewards in games over hardcore prestige.
Haven't gotten to this point of FFXIV yet, but I played WoW for like 10+ years. This is considered really bad behaviour in FFXIV? Wow
To be fair Server-shenanigans like the last one realy piss me off in ff14.
They should just fix stuff like that
True af lul.. i was waiting for the toxic part, but that guy is just apologizing 😂 nothing more
These kinds of videos always make me glad that I don't do the hard content. I do have anger issues, so I would absolutely not have fun trying to learn these things from scratch. Though I at least know enough to keep myself muted in games with voice chat if I get angry.
Should just be clips of people doing Crystalline Conflict
I am glad to retire from savage and ultimate raiding this just gets so sweaty. I am used to criticism, you can never raid without criticism or raiding just isn’t for you.
When a group is consistently failing in voice chat constantly bantering with side chatter is when I get annoyed. Just shut up and focus. Do fun time later. Spending more than one lockout on a reclear is abysmal.
Side chatter causes wipes.
Change my mind.
Side chatter only causes wipes during parts where you particularly need to be focused. If your group doesn't suck most side chatter shouldn't effect you much. Sometimes you really do need clear coms like nael or something but otherwise you should be able to get away with it in a good portion of savage at least and in like the first phase of the ultis
If you're wiping a lot though yeah it should be avoided but if you're not and it's not a hard phase which at least in savage most stuff isn't really that bad it shouldn't be an issue unless your group all has attention issues lol
Oof, yeah, this is a big reason to personally stay far away from savage.
These ppl act like raids like there life depends on it its just a game
p3 is a joke what.. p2 towers is the group killer xD
On a side note, this is pretty tame. If you can't handle the stress of an ultimate, gtfo. If you know the person is fucking up fix it before it gets 18 minutes into the fight over and over again so you can clear. Personal responsibility aides team responsibility. But yeah, own up to the fucking mistake, don't give an excuse, and simply just do better. My pet peeve is blaminging someone else for your death.
I thing it was the plunge that killed you during The Game.
The greed of using a main gcd instead of unmending, we've all been there.
no shit sherlock
First one was really tame. The rest? I dunno man.
Please God I would love to raid with you guys lol, if this is the harsh talking I get for wipes I am good :D I have been hardened by WoW guild players.
First clip is just a dude telling it like it is, if fuck ups happen too often it's good to have a wake up call.
third clip is far more reasonable than 4th clip sorry xenos I don't agree