Personally I wish there were more spaces like Gold Saucer. It's crazy how the singular place for completely leisurely fun party game stuff for 10 yrs has been one area from ARR.
Would be cool to have more leisure zones and more activities or proper housing in the island. But what i really miss is a progression zone like eureka. As a casual a lot of the times post ew has felt like roulette spam and the ocasional trip to the island, even for the crafter relics you need to do a ton of rouletes. So with limited time it all becomes that :(
I would really love a Gold Saucer expansion (not like an actual expansion expansion but like, extra stuff to the gold saucer) because rn there’s honestly not enough stuff in the gold saucer. It’d be so sick if they added like a whole new wing to the gold saucer and added more events and things to do. Or like you said add a completely new leisurely area.
I really wish we can play blackjack against other players/npc for gil/mgp. I dont understand why they allow mahjong, which is primarily used for gambling amongst asian cultures, and not blackjack. Even ff9 had a secret blackjack game after you beat the game.
Game with big benefit: One character can have multiple classes/jobs and freely change between them. Also game: Makes gearing your "alt jobs" hard or should I say tedious and long.
And I did it 3 fucking times for 3 of the 5 archetypes; healer, phys ranged+nin, and caster. I don't want to farm 4 sets of capped tomestones a week, but I want to learn and play these jobs with as few strings attached as possible. I want to savage raid with some of these jobs, but PF sets iLs very high to "filter" trap players only to get trap players that farm tomes every week. There is just no winning.
gearing so bad in this game that the ojnly way to get your alt jobs geared is to do split clears lmao. To gear up your mains at a somewhat reasonable pace let alone alts :^)
@@Koranthus what he means is that instead of having to do weekly reclears and weekly tome caps for 1 job, you do them twice on 2 different characters. so for example 1 character is a tank and the other is an healer. you get gear for both tank and healer in that 1 week but the caviat is that it's on 2 different characters (hence the alt)
As a massive casual, I see no issues with gearing faster than it is now. As a casual, it takes way too long to gear casually as it is. To the point I tend to abandon gearing because I get bored waiting like two months to have full vendor tome gear.
Agreed, like i will get 2 weeks of energy to farm raids for gear plus fact we have rng roll for items to get. If you miss out then your rerunning the same raid 3-4x if not more just for 1 ring item or pants ect. As casual i quickly lose focus re running same raid non stop i got on auto piolet and do poor.
i will attest that the only two thought that went in my mind after getting the polaris point for my paladin was: "finally, i got it!" immedially followed by "i'm not fucking doing this for my DRK and GNB" i can see people saying "gear too fast can be a problem" but seven weeks of doing Athena for 1 weapon of tomestone gear is a bit much
For casuals it takes even longer to gear, it's absolutely crazy that this guy made this post about how it shouldn't be faster. You don't even get access to upgrade items for your tome gear until what, 3-4 months after the gear comes out if you don't raid? Wild.
@Staineless84 for sure. You can't even remotely compete with the people who went in week 1 with crafted gear as a casual player. It's impossible so to agrue for long gearing periods is fucking madness.
They don't need to increase the cap, they need to lower the price. It SHOULD be super easy to cap tomestones, but it's beyond ridiculous that the weekly cap won't even get you one piece of gear save an accessory. Make chest/legs 450, head/arms/feet 225, and accessories 150, or something like that. That's still enough that it's non-trivial, but now gearing an alt job with tomestones is actually practical.
Even fucking WoW incorporates ways for you to quickly give gear to alts and get them up to speed faster. CBU3 is way too conservative in their design ethics.
Yeah I've never understood this nonsense. A major difference XIV has over other MMOS is that you can have one character be everything... But then gearing makes that impossible in practice. It's like owning 20 cars and only being able to fuel 2-3 or them at once, what's the point?
Uber casual omni-90 here. My thoughts about gearing: 1. Double weekly tomestone cap 2. When you buy a capped tomestone gear piece, you have the ability to buy any of the same slot with uncapped tomes. I.e. if I buy a healing chestpiece with capped tomestones, I should be able to buy a fending/maiming/scouting/etc chestpiece with uncapped tomes
You don't _need_ to be BiS but it sure as hell makes it a noticeably better experience. You have more health meaning you can likely survive a mit mistake here and there, you do more damage so you have to see less of the fight, and if you're learning a new job at Savage level the gear will make up for imperfect rotations. Hell, there's just a dopamine hit of "I've hit BiS on this class" that's always nice too. I'm personally collecting an unopened set of Savage gear for the next expansion's poster class to go into it with "90 BIS" gear since there's literally no reason to want to have anything but the best gear unless you're specifically going into minilvl content for the experience or bragging rights.
As someone who would likely fall into that mid core area, I really hate how few tomestones we get to gear up different jobs. I wish I could gear a fucking dps, a healer, AND a tank at the same time. Or have melee, phy ranged and caster dps gear
Oh man its the funniest thing when you save up a month worth of tomes then you can only buy 2 pieces of gear because this shitty system was made so you'll be lacking exactly 10 tomes and cant buy an accessory if you bought your left side first.... H I L A R I O U S
I hate that you can't get a second ring of the same ilevel, not since Dun Scaith gave us i270 accessories for killing ProtoUltima, unless you do savage raids
As someone that came in at the tail end of ShB when the tome cap was at 900, it blew my mind going into EW that it was only 450. I thought 900 was a bit restrictive. Then it blew my mind again when I found out they DO NOT increase the cap in "catchup" patches, that's only something they do at the tail end of an expansion. Just... why?
I hope they unlock savage sooner than they have been. I'm part of a casual raid group (2nights a week for 2hrs) and after finishing all our loot from p9 and 10 and just farming 11 now while we prog p12 has just felt bad. Trying to get skips to go straight to 11 at this point just sucks. Just unlock it, people still need to do the fights for BiS and glam. Anyone who is hardcore is already done unless they're farming ult gear. They really didn't think about this when they lengthened the patch cycle.
Yea if you killed a boss once you should be able to skip right to the next boss all the time. In terms of loot its the upgrade items that suck the most. They are the biggest bottle neck.
@@undercoverspy123 Weird take. When your group has everything they need from previous turns and limited time to prog, why are you going to literally just throw raid time away to kill a boss that no one needs instead of prog the fight you're on?
I wouldn’t mind the gearing speed being what it is… if gearing other jobs didn’t ALSO take the same amount of time. It’d be nice if there was a system where if you’ve geared up one role or job, you could then quickly gear up other jobs after 1:35
Something like a character-wide slot iLvl unlock? Like, oh you equipped iLvl 640 boots, so now every class can access their equivalent. Maybe there's a gil cost to getting the extra pieces but not a full tomestone cost. This could be offset by increasing starting tomestone costs
I'd honestly just say unlocking the tier much sooner would fix this. Like after my 8 weeks I just don't have the drive to do weekly reclears anymore but I'd come back with if the tier was unlocked and I wanted to grind up bis on alt jobs for shits and giggles. Currently, since the tier unlocks loot so late I usually don't care to go back and farm since I know that gear is gonna only have a shelf life of a couple months.
@@MiniEquineWe're stuck with the book system already so book costs should just go down if you already have the slot. Tomes are also already a "random" number and are easy to manipulate in intervals. Even the Manderville Weapon could be an easy catch up. 1500-1500-1500 then 1000-1000-1000 then 500-500-500 for the rest. Wow so difficult to fix. It also wouldn't even be far fetched for this one as the blacksmith guy can just go "I've gotten better at this and can be more efficient with the materials" or whatever.
As a casual myself, here what i usually do in a day-to-day basis, clear roulette, clear Normal Raid for alt gear on resets, and find aome inspiration for glam. But post EW is really not much to do beside that, cause island sanctuary don't offer much interaction other then setup routine or sometimes got around to gather for next sets of routine. VC just went stale after a few days and rewards take ages plus I dont have friend to do hard or savage version. So not much else i can do now. A bozja definitely would help, maybe some fishing content like netfishing or the Mahjong Championship!
7:06 I mean the redditor was right, did he just use the wrong word? Not sure what else to call it, but he's saying that EVERY job from an expansion is sharing gear with a job from ARR. So no, your SAM can't share gear with the NIN, but it sure as hell shares gear with the MNK. Not sure why that's so hard for Xenosys to understand? The context was pretty clear here. He's saying the number of raid gearsets hasn't changed since ARR, so farming armour doesn't take any longer just because they add jobs. Farming weapons is another story. It's so annoying to here the guy on camera call people idiots when he himself is showing his entire bare ass.
So from my experience on reddit, the best advices for new players will come from (in descending order) FFXIV Shitpost > a heap of nothing > FFXIV Main Sub > a acker of dirt > FFXIV Discussion. and honestly the leap in intellegence between main sub and shitpost for actually helpfull advices is insane. on main sub you have nearly only fanboys who protect the game to much and on discussion you have all the people who activly hate the game and you cant do anything to sway their opinion.
Reddit is a place of a vocally loud minority in the case of games. Listen, read to stay up to date but don't accept bullshit like these posts, their ego is more fragile than a thin piece of glass when they try to promote feelings over facts.
If you actually look at the comments though, they are absolutely trashing that guy though, also weirdly despite mocking them so much, the shitpost sub has essentially the same opinions as the discussion subs upvoted posts.
I definetly agree with midcore content. I am casual but enjoy doing chellenging content from time to time. I love extremes but havent done savages or ultimates due to g=the struggle of finding a group. I think if they brought back hard versions of dungeons and revamped that to be the expert roulette it would help things a lot
@trustytrest criterion is challenging and bring a unique challenge, but what I'm talking about is dungeons thatv are still in the same format as the other dungeons like for example sastasha hard but actually more of a challenge
I'm ok with bis taking awhile in the even patches but in the odd patches gearing should be really fast. Even patches should be for the slower, classical progression as you get to BiS with one, maybe two classes. Odd patches should be when it's really easy to get BiS on every class so you can do the tier retroactively with different classes and get BiS for ultimate which is the new challenge. I don't get why people want anything different than this. This is the healthiest way for a raid tier to be. Not that we'll ever get a guaranteed ultimate every tier of course... Regardless, the way I'd do it is even patches are exactly as they are, though maybe I'd add a "if you clear a savage tier your cap for tomes increases by 30 for this week" up to a +120 cap increase for clearing all four floors. Then in the odd patch, the lockout is removed right from the getgo. Progression is over, go have fun, learn new classes, try new strats, do new things. Cap increases to +120 for everyone (or maybe further). Also an ultimate always comes out. Also alliances give -10 ilevel from bis gear that can be upgraded to BiS with the savage mat and no longer locked out. Change up the BiS, it will be fun! Some ultimate raiders will complain about having to re-bis up but I don't think it will be that bad if it's not locked out.
Honestly I feel like the OG difficulty on the 24 man was fine. Things now are mostly face roll including current tier. Back then I remember you really needed to be awake clearing Ozma, Cid. Yeah "easier to newbies" but do think they work great for being medium difficulty given it takes a long time for newbies to get to current content
I understand what you're saying, but Ozma isn't a good example, that is also a really easy fight to go braindead on, the hardest Alliance Raid content in my opinion is most of the Nier raids
FWIW there's an interview that says Myths of the Realm was done by junior team members and they acknowledged it's too easy and will be making the next alliance raids tougher. Myths of the Realm has been 12/10 for spectacle but I do agree it's like a 6/10 in terms of actual gameplay.
I think the current gearing setup is fine for the first 8 weeks of prog. This allow HC and competant MC groups to progress and complete the tier in the "maximum" timeframe and get their first BIS. After that, they should make it easier. Double the tome drops for raids with 4+ new players who have never cleared the fight before, and drop an extra coffer, and replace the 1-per-week limit with a 1-per-week, per job class. This encourages people to go in multiple times a week on alternate jobs, help out newer players, and makes gearing faster. Once the next patch hits, let criterion drop currency that can be exchanged for upgrade materials or tomes, and increase the weekly tome limit from 450 to 600.
Bro being able to get my loot on multiple jobs in the same week is all I wish for. Right now gearing a single job takes so much time I feel discouraged to try and gear an alt job. I would clear the raid multiple times a week on different jobs if I could, raiding is the most fun content in this game anyway!
@@slimfastsubaru2043 I suppose the one way they can fix it is tying duty complete to the 'role' instead of character based so clearing it on WAR could get you in as GNB/PLD/DRK on duty completed parties but not as other classes
About weekly tome cap, we should push for the inverse. Don't increase it, but divide tome cost of gear by 2. Work smarter, not harder. I'd be down to have more rewards from my 4 hunt trains a week instead of having to do 8 of them.
Either way it ends up being the same. Regardless, tome acquisition needs changed. I shouldn't be getting as many tomes from a 45 minute Main Scenario Roulette (on a daily lockout) as a NON-expert roulette highest dungeon (currently Aetherfont) that takes like 12 minutes.
Im fine with either honestly. As it is it really doesn't take much to cap - I don't even cap with hunts and just spam random dungeon/raid roulette for fun and I'm capped in under 3 hours pretty commonly. Doubling the cap and not squishing the tome costs also opens more room for tweaking the tome costs which could be the difference between being able to afford another piece of gear in a single cap.
mental illness and hurt feelings is a thing in FF14 for there to be a stupid post like that one lmao. Xenos has been saying they need more midcore content and he is right. fuck man sometimes the community sure has some clowns.
This is the 'sense of pride and accomplishment' argument in another form. 'I think the *feeling* of progression should trump the ability to enter a super high-end fight' -So it's more important to feel like you're progressing than it is to streamline the gearing process to enter the high-end fights available for the people that want to? For people trying to be a flex pick (can be tank, DPS, or healer), even with just three jobs to gear for that fight takes a while due to tomestone weekly caps - players are already grinding tomestones from the same few endgame dungeons and raids to do that - over the course of the patch. People don't want to 'hurry up and wait,' especially in a game that encourages you to try other jobs and job roles. And those jobs so far get increased by two (excluding BLU) every expansion. Something's gotta give.
BIS is a goal and isn't required to just play the game, but if you're someone who likes to do all the content you kinda need BIS to do that Gear in XIV isn't interesting, it's just time gated. Raising the tome cap again isn't some outrageous thing people are asking for
What an absolute candy man. He clearly only plays one job. Why would anyone not want to gear more jobs. I like playing at least 8 of the jobs and gearing each of them is miserable with the 450 cap. For years I put up with it but this expansion I just decided enough was enough and once I capped my main I never capped again. What's the point waiting 5+ weeks to get gear for one job. I could be dead in 5 weeks. I'm logging in to have fun now, not in 5 weeks.
I think I make similar observations/inferences, but I'd draw different conclusions or apply them differently. I'd agree the "you don't need BiS", but only use it in the context of content outside of savage and ultimate. Even for savage, I'd consider BiS is a bit overkill for the 1st and 2nd floors. However, I'd only use this point against people who think they absolutely have to play jobs that they have BiS in. I don't think it's a good reason against "speeding up BiS acquisition." Another thing I'd agree but correct about Xeno and other popular streamers/content creators is that they are 1% but not because they are savage and ultimate raiders, but because they are week 1 clearers. I think it's fair to assume most raiders and statics don't clear a raid tier or ultimate within 1-2 weeks. However, I'd also not use this against his argument about speeding up BiS acquisition. Disregarding his argument because of the type of person he is is not a logical argument nor a good counter argument. I think this reddit post is just another one of those arguments that are bringing up points that aren't really directly relevant. Personally, I don't care about loot unlock being earlier or not, but I also don't think Xeno's arguments for it is wrong or bad for the game.
you can sorta tell that even if they do raid they dont really raid on multiple jobs because even if you look at say redmage and summoner to blackmage you have a very different BiS because blackmage prefers at least 1200 sps while redmage and especially summoner gain so little from extra spellspeed you might even be throwing the rotations off when you meld too much for them.
@trustytrest even WHM to AST has different meld priorities. WHM is like. Piety (to comfort) then Crit,DH, Det while Ast is like. Crit,DH,SPS, Det. Though omnihealers usually do meld Crit,DH,Piety,Det because it allows them to play all the jobs similar enough. Chances are more likely that they are a Reaper main that pockets Dragoon because both Reaper and Dragoon have the same meld priorities. Or they only play phys ranged because the balance for whatever reason decided all the phys ranged jobs have the same meld priorities and people quote the balance verbatim because they don't understand nuance (which even the melding guides in the balance does say very clearly that the numbers should be treated with nuance) [I hate the balance either way since people don't understand what the fuck nuance means]
BLM ~1300 sps is comfort. BiS BLM is actually full crit like everyone else but is more so tailored towards non-standard line type of gameplay because you dont have a lot of wiggle room for error like you do at higher sps. Also - BLM weapon usually has sps as a stat on it so it's possible to just swap melds over to throwing a bunch of sps on your gear so you don't actually need to get different pieces. It's kind of a pain in the ass but it is something you can do. If you wanna play blm/non-blm you have to choose between annoying meld swaps or learning very cursed BLM tech and going god mode in content you know well lol
I still don't know why alliance raid gear isn't savage item level. Maybe it made sense back in Heavensward when it could take a month or two for people to clear savage, but savage is cleared in like three days now.
@@The-Bimbus Yeah but who cares? Like is giving casuals a piece of welfare LHS BiS once a week really going to change things when everyone who raids is already BiS on at least one job by the time the 24-mans come out?
@@The-Bimbusbut by the time the AR comes out, it's like 3 months after the savage tier. If content being hard were the problem, why does gear iLvl keep increasing expansion to expansion? You get better iLvl gear from dungeons in this expansion than the highest savage tier from ShB. It shouldn't matter, ARs could be the "catch up" content.
It shouldn't be savage item level because of the insane low effort that alliance requires to be cleared, but I have to say that as a catch up gear alliance raid sucks way too much, should be higher for sure but not raid ilvl gear
@@Emiumiyou literally buy better than previous tier savage gear the day the patch comes out for raw gil. I don't think "effort" and "IL" mean much of anything in this game.
"This person would rather just run the same 24 man alliance raids for relics." Yeah, the amount of Crystal Tower and Alexander ive ran getting all my budget ass manderville relics upgraded (all 19 of them) is literally the same, except theres nothing else cool to do.
Depends on the streamer. Some are indeed focused on raiding. Others have other focus. Some are focused on optimization of rotations. Others on glamours, new players advice. Etc. As long as is legal, you can focus your channel in whatever you like. The reason gear is weekly locked is so that content is not eaten too fast. The alternative would be that no one gets their gear after 2 weeks as not enough people would be doing the savage. This will have the effect of the have and the have not. Damaging the game as a whole. Is easy for a steamer to get people on any day. Is not easy for someone who works to schedule a group of 8 people to play with. Specially when elitism is involved. The current system allows for a longer window to get the BIS. Which allows people without a static to get the BIS. What is proposed will shorten the window meaning less people will stick around.
Thats where I completly disagree any veteran who has done the hard content, are good at playing the game. By allowing them to alt job or just gear other jobs in general. You give them 1. A reason to stick around gearing 2. Because they can alt job they will continue to raid for fun 3. Because they are able to alt job they can help newbies raid easily. 4. In general there would be more people in the pf raiding then the steep decline you see right after BiS Currently even myself. I didn't bother to do this current raid tier but I've done all the raid tiers on content since Eden Verse. After doing the 8 weeks. What's the reason to grind out besides just doing the weekly reclear. I would likely have fun and play more if I could alt job and mess around in the pf practicing other jobs. Mind you this problem wasn't just in Endwalker it was also prevalent in shadowbringers. We had complained a lot back then but the only measly change is some items cost a little less books. It's not enough considering all the jobs there are, and not all roles share gear. And if you are thinking yeah dps that aren't the same obviously don't. It isn't just that. Some healers want more spell speed. Some tanks want more skill speed. Warrior at one point wants more det/dh then crit since fell cleave 100% crits. Blackmage has either a crit build or spell speed build. Within that if you use that Bis you may not be able to play red mage or summoner due to the spell speed you are running. Tldr; the slow gearing is not keeping veterans engage in the game most I know do week 1 either do a double split so they finish gearing week 4 or finish week 8. Then they're just done. XIV player retention for the midcore/hardcore is at a all time low.
Just wanna drop that there are a few options between grinding the same 24 man relentlessly and getting the relic as less than a participation trophy. I've hardly played the last few months and still had all the tomes when each relic step dropped. There are maybe like 3 people in total who actually want a mindless grind, but if the relic was anything more than a worse, easier to obtain tomestone weapon, that'd be great.
@@aSmolGoth Yeah, but I mean, what good is a new shiny BiS weapon when all the content you might use it in has already been done? It will be outclassed by your run of the mill, equippable at level 93 weapon a few months later anyway. (I realize it could be used as catch up gear if you haven't done the content yet, but there's other options for that. There's no option for a relic grind)
Gotta love that a big selling point of FFXIV is all jobs on one character. But not really because you can only pick one if you want to gear yourself for actual content.. I don't HAVE to be BiS. BUT, There's a difference between Boss gear and completely garbage gear. What the fuck do I want piety or tenacity for?! They're garbage dump stats. Not to mention pieces with speed on them can break a rotation completely!
Definitely midcore content has been the problem for me personally, my work schedule doesn't let me play during times I could reliably raid with a team and I'm not casual enough for Island Sanctuary. So no bozja/eureka-esque content to have a fun grind on just left me not playing the game at all.
Anyone that says increasing the tome cap being bad is completely delusional. I capped tomes every patch this expac, and if I bought a second tome weapon I physically couldn't get BiS on every job before the next savage tier (2 patch cycles btw) because the tome cap prevented me, and I'm not an ultimate raider, so just imagine how much worse it would be for someone who did, when they have half the time period to gear jobs to BiS just to even enter
I guess my only devils-advocate to that is, why is it expected to be able to fully BIS almost 20 jobs in 1 raid cycle? Are you supposed to have the best gear in the game for literally every single spec???? In WoW, you're lucky if with alts you get 2-3 BIS by the next raid.
@@TS-uc4hi i think the only real rebuttal to that is that it kinda goes against the idea that people should take a break from the game. Now im with you if you dont realistically play every job in the game you shouldnt need to gear them all. Hell ive done all the ultimates and i usually only do them on 1 maybe 2 jobs max. However i think its one of those things where lets say you flex a role for you savage group. (in this instance we'll say drg) but you usually heal ultimates most statics are done by after 8-10 weeks of raiding. so if you didnt get the loot twines and coats included you are just fucked when that comes around and they dont unlock the tier so you are just forced to either wait or idk honestly. But i would just be nice to atleast maybe gear out two roles or more in reasonable amount of time so if you want to do other content you can flex to it without feeling like your sandbagging others. Can you do the content in lower ilvl gear sure but that doesnt mean i want to i would like to contribute as much as i can. tl;dr i agree maybe gearing every job is unrealistic but rn its ass to gear like 1-3 before the next patch cycle roles around.
why do you need to gear every single job lmao. This is literally not needed. Is your goal to savage raid in that same tier with every single job? Why? You can pick that gear up for the glam if you want, at a later time with far less challenge and with less grind required when those tomes are uncapped. This argument just seems silly.
I would rather have tome gear be cheaper i don't want to have to farm more trains and dungeon for gear its not challenging, fun or fulfilling just tedious. Same point tho, more gear faster.
I dont have a dog in this fight since i dont play, but the argument you dont need bis sounds stupid to me. I can bang my head against a wall for god knows how long until i knock it down, or i can get a sledge hammer. Why would i actively try to knock the wall down with my skull when a sledgehammer exists?
@@rasmachris94 The sledgehammer is useless if you don't know how to swing it without hurting yourself. Which is to say Skill > Gear. having BIS just makes the runs go by a little faster. I would rather have a person in min item level gear that can confidently clear, then A person who got carried or fed gear.
more damage always helps. the more damage a party does, the less mechanics you will see in a fight. and every skipped mechanic is one less possible fail condition. more HP also allows the party to get away with suboptimal healing/mitigation without causing wipes.
There's enough jobs in the game at this point to where by the odd numbered patch (such as the upcoming 6.5), the raid tier's loot should unlock and the tome cap should be 900. Heck, I think it should be 900 period, so you're not stuck having to save tomes on some weeks to get the piece(s) you need. Also makes alt gearing a bit faster. By the time the tome cap doubles in 6.55 or whenever, no one will give a shit about that gear because it'll be a couple of months away from being bought with poetics.
There are benefits and enjoyable parts to slow, steady progression, but the game has to be built from the ground up around it. FFXIV gearing is only slow because it's historically been slow, there's no real reason for it to be as slow as it is, at least for players who want to grind it out. There's no "sense of fulfillment" from getting BiS that gets better because you have to grind for 8 weeks for it. I'm not saying hand out all the gear for free week 1 and make crafted gear pointless, but add additional avenues to gear up, increase tome cap or heck even get rid of it most people will still just do daily experts anyway. Crafted gear is fine for statics but try telling me PF will mitigate and heal properly to pass what's effectively min-iLvl raids, let alone deal enough damage to kill before enrage.
Oh god that Reddit post, savage raids have a tight DPS check even with echo and being over geared in PF. It's extremely dumb that we are forced to do Savage to get a 2nd ring, they fixed the problem in HW but for no reason stopped doing it.
@@JacobX89 not in PF xD on my alt i still see grps wiping on Enrage in p12 p1 with 0 Deaths while the average ilvl is between 658 and 660 (upgraded tome weapon). Meanwhile me and my Static fully Bis are close to already skipping SC 2B 😅 But this is the only Fight i usually still see Enrage.
I remember when World of Warcraft had these same type of people making elitist takes about who should have the best gear. Anyone who thinks players that don't do the hardest content should never be able to max out their character, fuck you, this is an RPG. Top end players deserve to be able to earn the best gear first, and quickest, but no player should be hard capped at their power level based on skill in an RPG (over enough time). Every player wants to see their numbers go up, not every player wants to be a competitor. Even accounting for the best gear in the game, a good player will out perform a bad player, unless the bad player just gets nuts RNG.
I don't do savages or ultimates and I still agree with Xenos. I am already sitting on ten coins from each alliance raid so I don't need to do those. I will just need to run the third alliance raid ten times and I'll be in augmented tome gear. Then the vendors will have augmented tome gear for my other jobs. I was having fun in Bozja at this point in shadowbringers. At this point in endwalker I am out doing shit IRL instead because touching grass is more entertaining than endwalker.
The amount of classes is now straining the gearing system and its only going to get worse before it gets better. 8 weeks then lockout is removed. Then at 16 weeks tomes are increased from 450 to 900. This resolves two major issues, one class gearing alt jobs is increased and two adds more replayability to the content.
Totally agree. Especially with the New Dropchanges that came with 6.4. Since the Boss always drops his full Loottable Gearing is so much more easier. By the Time we cleared p12s most of our Team already had a full 2nd Set from the Raidgear. Only thing that still is a Thing are the Tomestone Upgrades from p10&11. So infact we did most of our Reclears just for 2 Items while the Rest from p9-11 went already for the 3rd or 4th Class. So please either Remove the Loot Lockout earlier or let us Trade a Loot Coffer into an Upgrade Item.....i would fine by either of one. But also yes the Tomestone Cap should je either fully liftet by the Time the next odd numbered Patch comes out or at least increased.
I don't see how number of classes affects gear when it's been striking, maiming, aiming, scouting, casting, and fending for several expansions. All classes fit into one of these.
Dude wants a carrot to chase. Gear shouldn't be that carrot. Content should be that carrot. Let us play more of our jobs in more content, as well as more midcore content. Perfect.
If you are a casual person you can just do tome gear, but if you are part of a savage group the goal is to get Bis so boss dies faster and you dont waste you or your groups time.
From what I can tell how they were doing loot lockout before Endwalker was… a little okay, since the patches were shorter. But with these longer paches yeah they should really consiter unlocking the raid teir a lot earlier. Like here is what I’d do. - Raid tier comes out: its loot locked. - lockout on raid ends in the next major patch (this is I believe the latest they should be doing it. Four months is more than enough time). - Alliance Raid is not locked out except the item to get the augmented tome gear, so it doesn’t outright kill the raid entirely on release. - tome augments unlock in the x.x5 patch of the Alliance raid coming out. Less time with the lockout since the raid as already provided a lot of the tome armoe upgrades anyway. Alliance raids are meant as a catch up. Let people at least farm the higher ilevel gear from it. As Zeno said, as a game that promotes multiclassing, they need to allow faster gearing for alts. Like come on, there are three armor set types and two accessory types in the Melee Dps category. If you main melee dps, you are probably still trying to get bis for your second or third set.
only thing id maybe change is that, if an ultimate is set to release during that patch as well, they should unlock that tier when the ultimate drops, it will get more ppl to do ultimates
@@Azemys it would depend on when the ultimate comes out. if they release it on an odd numbered patch then they wont have to do anything, the raid teir would already be unlocked. If its on an even number patch maybe they can make an exception, Also do the ultimates themselves have a lockout (the current ones). If so that should just not exist at all imo haha.
I know its possible to clear first fight in a new tier with pentamelded gear as Redmage, maybe the second. But i think i can go no further and i usually just do the first fight anyways first week.
With recent videos like this my static agrees and came up with a lot of different ideas for gearing. Here are some of my personal hot takes. Raise tome cap to 1000. Daily roulettes do not have a daily cap for rewards. Spam roulettes to your hearts content. Role Raid Lockouts. Run the same savage fight multiple times a week. First is run normally. Anything after if you run it with a different job role get an extra book (max 5 per week). We also agreed about the alliance raid being raid equivalent. It would certainly shake up the bis gearing and add more theory crafting. This includes extremes.
they wont do it .. the core principle is to gate the fuck out of gear so you cannot meta and change ur main ( like it matters anymore ) man wow DF gearing is awesome .. but stubborn yoshi p would never learn from current wow dude is still stuck on wow-wrath and even wow-wrath have better gearing than current ffxiv
Here’s my hottest take. Everyone gets a personal chest. They can choose one gear coffer from it. But that would take away the artificially inflated time people spend gearing to both PF and statics.
@@laughingoctopus785 WoW is extremely rng based and the catch up gear is still not bis so the people complaining about FFXIV's gearing would still not be satisfied. There are reasons why gearing is slow.
Your "suggestions" would kill the entire Raidscene. -1000 Tomes per week......since we already have 1 week of tomes before the Savage Raid release that are 2000 Tomes. Chest or Legs are an incredible Stat Boost compared to Crafted Gear and you would still have 1000 Tomes left which are 2 additional Left Side pieces. Even with these 3 Left Side Pieces you have a Big Advantage in Week 1 so either the Bosses should have tuned up or Week 1 Raiding will be a complete Piece of Joke. -1 Book per Role.....what prevent me from killing the Boss 5 Times and then change all the Books for a Piece for my Mainclass? Splitclears are already a thing within the Hardcore Raiding Community. With these two suggestions every Raidtier would be cleared within 24 Hours by most of the Grps.
I'm not good enough at the game to ever get BIS, but I'll always want gearing to be as easy as possible for others that are. The caps are incredibly low, and that should absolutely change.
As a filthy casual, I like "working towards more gear" as this person said, but if they added more options it would only be beneficial. To everyone. Even if you don't raid much, you get higher ilvl and see the difference in clear times, you might just be happier with higher dmg numbers, etc. There's literally no downside to the idea of gearing faster.
Its part of why I gravitate towards maiming so much. Other than DRG and RPR just being really good jobs overall their BiS is literally identical besides one sks meld for better double enshroud alignment lol
One thing that i would change to the weekly tomestone cap, the problem here is that if Ou dont cap it every week you will not get enough tomestones for every job. It takes how long ? 7 or 8 weeks to buy the bis items for only one job? So jnstead of a weekly cap , make it so you can get a maximum amount of tomestones that increases each week. Week 1 = 450, week 2 = 900 .... so players that just reachnlevel 90 can catch up by farming the same amount of tomestones fromm the weeks before. It only takes two days to get 450 anyway
Being able to play every job on one character is one of the game's biggest selling points.. and then they still remain with the antiquated mindset of drip feeding you the gear drops. Even if you get loot consistently by the time you get the BiS for every role the tier is long withered. The kicker on top of all this is if you want to help other people out with their clears you practically handicap them due to the reduced loot if people already cleared.. when they can't loot again to begin with? Make it make sense.
Granted this was just for the first tier of EW... But I wasn't full crafted for p1s to P3S, was top dps, and didn't feel like i griefed the party. P3S was my pf wall for a while... But again had nothing to do with gear and just parties that struggled with add phase.
As someone who wants to do the newest content and is in midcore I can't buy all the crafted gear at endgame , pentameld it is worse, is like 1m per piece for one job so in total is like 15m per type (Healing , Maiming, etc) tome gear is the best option when you're broke And sadly getting 450 aweek is nothing, i could get the Casuality ones, but why waste it there if there's a better obtainable option anyways in Crecedum, it's a waste of tomes, money and time Party finders will literally block you if you dont have the item level for it and i like playing with different jobs so having to spend 2 weeks for 1 top of tomestones is hell , progression should be, i want to farm as many tomes as i want to get the top so i can do content after i progressed with my own time and effort, but a cap is not progress is gatekeeping, timegating It doesnt matter how many ways of getting tomestones there are if the cap is still the same The progression is in the bosses, who cares if it takes 1 day or 1 week for gear to go to bosses, is about clearing them , and getting the glam I feel like FFXIV should make a good split of prestige glam gear and ilevel gear, because mixing them up and making the highest level gear the most cool looking , makes people like the reddit post think that getting the BIS gear is the reward and not the content that it unlocks Ultimate Weapon Rewards are prestige, they're the reward of your progress Getting Tome gear so you can do content is not progress, is a requirement, you may not require BIS but unless you're with friends going on the minimum requirements, people are gonna expect you to go with at least the mininum of the BIS, perhaps the most optimal but at least have one of the top3 ilevel gear, which is tome gear or crafted gear, or savage gear
Ah yes, there are the same number of Roles since ARR... Because you can absolutely play RDM with a full Speed set from BLM. Because all the healers want the exact same substats. Full fucking Clown Mode.
There is no "working towards gear" especially in regards to tome gear. You log in on Tuesdays and blast content that AT MOST requires 415 which is basically nothing (or do non-expert roulettes/hunts which require literally nothing). I can't put in more effort or work to get more gear. Yes, full clearing Savage gives more chances at gear, but it takes EIGHT weeks of P12S kills to get a weapon per job assuming yours doesn't outright drop (fairly likely considering we are at 19 about to be 21 different weapons).
IMO as someone who also raids week 1, and Ultimates on launch. Along with being a WoW raider for many years. The "gear progression" argument in ff14 never really made sense to me. Each tier i feel like i'm only grinding to get back to the same point i was in the previous tier (usually involving getting back to the SkS that feels good to play). Unlike other games FF14 doesn't really have massive class changes between tiers and the gear is mostly the same everytime. Unlike something like WoW where every patch classes play massively different due to legendries, Trinkets, Tier sets, etc which allows the grind to feel like you're working for something new. It makes gearing in ff14 to me every patch feeling more like a chore than actually a fun part of raiding.
Had an fc mate pf the raids took them so long to just gear out 1 job since he lost every roll and had to pity book it. 16 lockouts if you can't win a single coffer (if its bis) and weapon doesn't drop. If gear is tied to your sense of character progression and have bad rng and or don't have enough gil to pay for your drop you're absolutely fucked
So, I used to raid in wow and was a RL in a static during Tier 1 of Endwalker. Assuming you don’t get a single item from wing 1/2 and get walled by wing 3, let’s say you gear up the casual way. If you do 7 weeks of 4 wing Normal, and cap weekly tomestones, you will have near BIS in 12-13 weeks. That’s 3 months, if you cap weekly. Most casual players aren’t going to stick around for 13 weeks, if they aren’t going to “get gud” to be able to clear 1/2 or god forbid, the 3rd wing. It should be like half, maybe make the Normal tome weapon 4 weeks from the beginning and add 50% to the weekly tomes cap. If you don’t raid, the upgraded tomestone gear has no purpose anyway.
They should bring back Tetra Master from ff11, They should also add Battle Arena to gold Saucer like ff7 Almost every mini game that was in ff7 Saucer should be in ff14 Saucer!!
i started the savage tier late this last patch because its the last one and the bis doesnt matter for anything aside from criterion or ex which the rewards dont interest me, i cleared 9 to 11 4 weeks in a row without LOOT only books. and im going to my week 5 in a row without loot today lets go
Unlocking savage does nothing, why do people keep repeating it. The biggest gate for almost everybody who's interested in raiding isn't even the raidgear(besides weapons maybe). God you can probably now get your missing piece from 9-11 for free or like a 500k each mercrun. Ppl have more than enough of that. But getting another 2k tomes for BiS for a 2nd job is just disgusting. On healer I'm missing over 500crit when I'm fully raidgear without tomes. Some jobs like Healers, Tanks, Nin get absolutely wrecked by missing tomegear And farming tomes for another 2 months to finally be able to play healer or tank or w/e at the level I'd like to is just way too long. The main reason to stop playing for me is not being able to get BiS due to restricted tomes. The timeframe is just way overdone
So what you are saying is you can't clear a savage fight without tomegear. If you've said ultimates then I can see that. Not for savage though. Couldn't care less about 500 crit missing on my second job if I decide to hop into PF and do reclears. If you fail the DPS check then a) git gud or b) look for another group that carries their weight and doesn't die to every mechanic so you don't wipe to the non existing DPS check at week 9
@@JUstMoveee Idk why you guys who don't even raid keep commenting on each post about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with you. Noone of the fights this tier have literally any dps check, after you've a grp of 645 you can have 8 greyparsers and get through with deaths
Ye, that's the reason I'll quit a week after 6.5. Not gonna drag myself through that mess weekly to get 1 job geared in 2 months just because of tomes. If I'd be Bis I'd spam all content on various jobs just for funs sake or just trying stuff out. But like that I've no drive to login whatsoever anymore. 2 weeks to get freaking legs and knowing I've to do this for another 6 just to able to play 1 more job at BiS just isn't it. I'd rather waste my time with anything else at this point
The only thing I agree on with that person is the Manderville Relics. They could have made it a "do one of these 3 types of content for an item" instead of incentivizing spamming the highest level 90 dungeon 300 times, just to add a little variety with the same rewards, and add a bonus to the highest level 90 dungeon for those who like to spam that content to do things faster, despite being more mind numbing. Otherwise I agree 100% with all other points from Xeno
Even a casual player should want a tome cap increase like it used to be, it used to go to 900 then uncapped. It needs to be unlocked sooner. Simply put, if we can do all the jobs and many even casual of casuals have all maxed out jobs. People like to play different jobs. SE gives us the ability but punishes for doing it. (In more ways than just gear) Having to choose gear between jobs is insane - Before anyone asks. I don't care for myself, but many people I know do have many and gripe about it. It's not handed out, it's not destroying progression.
Speaking on Auto-Markers, Didn't Xeno recommend people just use auto markers for titan gaols? I remember during that one all-craft he was like, "just use automarkers for titan gaols."
As someone itching to get into mid core content i for the love of god can not find a reason to do any extremes or savages rn. I definitely agree with him.
Im a scrub and only go for the normal current raid gear for all the jobs and i still agree with xeno on the weekly cap. its way too little. Ive been doing the weekly cap for every week since the patch dropped and i dont think im gonna get all the gear from the raids for all the roles (fending, maiming, scouting etc.) before 6.5 drops. Its a shitty feeling.
That's what the post is all about. You don't need the gear. You're running super casual content that doesn't even require you to play the game in order to win.
@@sct77 apparently you can't read. Since anabaseios came out I've been doing all the weekly caps and like I said it's not enough before 6.5 comes out. Even the weekly tome cap is too little. 450 is not enough.
They should just remove the cap on everything completely so you can farm whatever you want whenever you want, I hate only being able to gear one job in general. Being limited sucks and on top of that you have to change gear 2-3 times every few months, stopped wasting my time doing raids after Stormblood.
I feel like this has been a conversation every expansion minus shadowbringers (everyone finally discovered the game), its a safe bet in mid to late dawntrail people will be dooming on 8.0. recycled content in and out of the game xffing
Imagining playing a RPG (or MMORPG) where you develop your characters to become stronger through efforts, but people tell you that "You don't need the best gear from hardcore grind to kill final bosses (or end-game bosses)!" I never play anything Extreme/Savage/Ultimate in this game, so theoretically, I don't really need to gear up. Heck, I don't even have to gear up at all, as long as I somehow meet min iLV requirement of new patch's dungeon/raid. It means I can ignore like 80% of what FF14's gameplay offers and can just go unsub after .0 patch and come back when the .55 patch drops so I can finally just grind end-expansion gear, assuming I don't have a house to be wary of. Then again, why do I even play a RPG/MMORPG if I don't grind gear to become stronger in one way or another? Perhaps I never do things that require better gear, but better gear should be a goal in a RPG/MMORPG, instead of trying to justify "not worth the grind".
I keep saying, the devs need to remove the reclear requirements for savage as early as 6.45. I raid casually and every single tier we are skipping the first three fights between the X.X5 patch and the following content patch. No one wants to reclear p9s 16+ times.
19 jobs is way too much to allow them to make every one feel unique and balanced, which is probably why they feel like a copy and paste with different skill names. It’s only going to get worse the more they add
See, i agree, the content has been great (If slow, as usual, if you rush it clears fast) the problem is still alt jobs/grinding. I've pushed raids in crafted gear and yeah, it's rooough, great for leveling the next patch but oof. I want to see stuff like NG-EX Where you actually get XP for replaying the story, lockouts being per-job-type (EG: You can Raid as a Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged phys, Ranged magic AND healer and get a drop on each type) and generally faster levelling/gearing for alts. For us psychos that basically main "Multiclass" and learn fights in EVERY role, if i want to be insane enough to clear something like TOP as you brought up, not once, but FIVE TIMES IN A ROW IN DIFFERENT ROLES, i should actually be rewarded for it (Prog'ing a fight as a healer is a lot different than as a tank, obv) Like, the sheer amount of effort it took me in stormblood and shadowbringers to get basically every job to 70/80 and the outright grind from hell it's being in endwalker to even get a second job to 90, let alone one in EVERY job role and then to gear it? That part just gets worse with every expansion because for all the new jobs they've added, they've added basically ZERO ways to alt-grind faster, especially if you aren't in an FC or something that does grind pushes. No joke, something as easy as making the beast tribes give a FULL LEVEL per day in their level range and changing lockouts to per-role instead of per-char would be an insane improvement to the endgame progression in FF14
ANY MMO midcore to hardcore content BIS is required if you are trying to play your class to its optimal level. Its also a personal choice if u dont want to have bis and the content u need to clear requires it dont just do the content.
I know the time it takes to gear alt jobs is ass, but the other side of the coin here that wasn't mentioned could potentially be just as bad (At least for the more casual/mid people). If people don't have to grind out the fights for months to get BiS, anyone who wants to raid after the first month or so might have a lot more issues getting a group together to play. Increasing the rate that alt jobs get gear (main jobs is largely fine I think though the system could use some tweaks) could reduce the number of later raiders by enough to cause issues.
Bro, i just came back to the game (took a break after first savages of EW) and greeded on irrelevant piece in an ali raid, because i thought it looks cool. So then a piece for my job drops and turns out i can't roll on it (not need, roll at all) and that i'm locked for a week. Somehow i don't think that glam was worth it.😢
The reddit poster is kinda correct. You really don't need BIS to enjoy FFXIV. You can always want BIS but never need it. I feel like mid core is relative. Some people might feel like extreme is mid core or such. But it's really depends on what is easy in the game to an individual or so.
I stopped playing because the artificial wall for raid gearing just doesn't respect my time on a busy work schedule. I love the game. I miss it sometimes. I still watch Xeno all the time. But I have too much self-respect to drain away time when I could be making money or furthering my career options.
The games gearing system should be allowed to full bis every job between raid patches but it’s impossible which is a really poor dumb concept. Yeah you can still play all the jobs but at their bare minimum when you should be able to gear it within a raid patch cycle. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t that the whole focal point of being able to have all the jobs on one character? cause the other solution is just making separate characters for everything but that regresses back to the WoW concept of making separate characters and let’s say we did that we can only make 8 characters so the underlying problem still exists you cannot bis all jobs within a raid patch cycle.
I do wish they would raise the tome cap weekly, 450 is honestly pretty low, I am pretty casual and it is easy to hit that without even trying. I get it though, they want to slow you some so you don't just burn through all the gear and run out of things to do. I honestly prefer crafted gear to most of the high tier stuff anyway so I get what the poster was saying sort of, but I am casual and don't really care for ultimate, im just concerned with maxing my levels and gearing them up to par with story and EX levels still. I did get a set of credendum for my casters though cus I had no gear and figured why not just get it for one group, tanks and healers are all in pentad dia gear, going to start on ranged classes next, and then on to the hard part, gearing all the other dps that don't share as many things, though I also still have to level all that so no rush there, I am not a dps person so my dps are lagging behind lol.
Items and loot are one of the most unsatisfying things about the game. Beyond the boring (safe and balanced) pure stat stick approach, it just takes way too long to obtain for how many jobs there are in the game. Gear and stats may be a weakness that will never be changed, but the jobs and combat they're for are strengths. More options to obtain gear means more ways to just get to the good part.
There's a key point missed here, and that's that over time, PF will gradually increase their ilvl requirements to join things like savage reclears and even EX farm parties. Because of this, it makes it borderline impossible to join on any gear type that isn't your primary or secondary, since it takes so long to get any gear beyond crafted. God forbid you play more than a single role, but no we have to keep gear time-gated for 'muh progression'. This is especially bad for players that aren't hardcore raiders, as they'll be clearing the savage tier much later, so their ability to pad ilvl with savage drops is greatly decreased (assuming you even get lucky in PF and don't take 8 clears just to gear your main), so they're almost entirely reliant on tomes to pad ilvl. Also adding that savage still having lockouts and tome cap existing when an Ultimate is released that requires gear from said savage is the dumbest thing ever. It makes the inevitable burnout from statics exploding to Ulti prog 100x worse since you can't just easily reform the players you have on different roles, you're stuck on whatever 1, maybe 2 jobs you have geared for it when it released, which makes recruitment a nightmare when you just want to get back in and prog.
I really wish there was a way to get BiS max item level gear withouth doing savage raid. Either your forced to do raid of you kept your mediocre tomestone gear that could have bad substats
Can somebody tell me what they mean by mid core content? Because obviously it's not read content so I can't say that but it's not story content because that's pretty much casual content so what is considered as mid core content.
Honestly the only thing I disagree with you on is your take on the manderville relic, nobody is asking to farm endless alliance raids either, people want content unique to the relic because it works to support both things, a steady farm of stuff to do between major patches, and a reason to ever revisit expansion unique content (see the still active communities of eureka and bozja, even down to communities people still running BA and DRS). This will most likely not be the case with EW content, I cant imagine anyone ever revisiting variant/criterion or island sanctuary ever again after DT comes out, or even really a week after their respective launch patches as shown by previous releases of them. Hell even diadem and the firmament still have the pteranodon grind meaning come next expansion more people will be running that than EW content, which really puts into perspective how little incentive there is to doing any of it and how easy a fix it would be by attaching the relic to it.
lol even if all jobs that shared gear used the exact same pieces in every slot( which they don't), that's 7 lots of BiS, which if we take 7 weeks per BiS is almost a year to gear everything, which is longer than an entire raid tier lasts and even if it wasn't, the vast majority of players are not going to be capping tomes and clearing raids weekly for a full 2 patches nevermind a fucking full year
Honestly, I would prefer a Tomestone/Savage gear set that you only have to farm once and can be equipped on all jobs in the game, with appearance and stats syncing automatically based on the job. It should be feasible to implement, take up less space in the arsenal, and at least we could play whatever we want without spending 9 months leveling up and ultimately not having time to create more than two sets. For exemple: A small gray chest,hat,boots,etc,... icon with a little synchronization arrow, and the ability to right-click on the item to view its appearance or stats based on the roles. The experience-boosting earrings offered as a pre-order bonus for expansions partially have this system, with the appearance remaining the same. They could definitely adapt it by implementing a automatics and invisible mirage board system linked to the gear And the appearance and stats change according to that job.
This. And if you need your different stats, as always you'd just switch between a savage raid stat syncing piece or a tomestone stat syncing piece. Or if they actually implement other avenues of getting the same ilvl, an alliance raid syncing piece, and a savage criterion syncing piece. Stuff like that. Yay. All the yes. You still have to farm for it, but at least it has the benefits of being horizontal progression while simultaneously giving the FEELING of progression that vertical system are so beloved for having.
@@mckennaceline Let's say this would already alleviate the burden on the arsenal system and allow players to have gear that's usable on all jobs without having to farm 10 different sets. Especially considering that equipment changes in 9 months, and it's impossible to farm more than 2 complete sets. Maintaining the current farming system while enabling players to use the same piece of equipment across all jobs would have no downside, benefiting everyone involved and not posing any consequences for Square Enix.
Okay the impossible to farm more than 2 sets is just untrue. Today is reset day of Week 19 since savage released, and I have full Striking, Maiming, and Healing BIS. I am working through Fending at the moment. 3 done, a 4th to be done in 3-4 weeks. I have cleared through P12S for gear/books every week since week 1, and capped tomes every week.
@@TS-uc4hi I'm only talking about tomestone gear, and therefore non bis item without the ivl upgrade, I'm just saying that this should be applied to tomestone and savage gear. if you take into account the tomestone capped at 450/week, it takes a very long time to farm several sets taking into account that we cannot farm 2 rings but only one with the tomestone before upgrading one, you need to count 4635 without the weapon for the stuff and add 500 for the weapon and 375 for the ring improved. you don't have the possibility of doing many sets, except if you combine savage and tomestone, but with the current system of the game and the fact that the game includes more and more jobs, it is a totally obsolete system with their current philosophy. If you take into account a entire tomestone gear, it's about 3 months and a week of farming for a whole gear.
Personally I wish there were more spaces like Gold Saucer. It's crazy how the singular place for completely leisurely fun party game stuff for 10 yrs has been one area from ARR.
Would be cool to have more leisure zones and more activities or proper housing in the island.
But what i really miss is a progression zone like eureka.
As a casual a lot of the times post ew has felt like roulette spam and the ocasional trip to the island, even for the crafter relics you need to do a ton of rouletes.
So with limited time it all becomes that :(
I would really love a Gold Saucer expansion (not like an actual expansion expansion but like, extra stuff to the gold saucer) because rn there’s honestly not enough stuff in the gold saucer.
It’d be so sick if they added like a whole new wing to the gold saucer and added more events and things to do. Or like you said add a completely new leisurely area.
@@Tystolfonew reward system cause right now I have no reason to do it
I'd love to see fun come back to the overworld. It's so underutilized.
I really wish we can play blackjack against other players/npc for gil/mgp. I dont understand why they allow mahjong, which is primarily used for gambling amongst asian cultures, and not blackjack. Even ff9 had a secret blackjack game after you beat the game.
Game with big benefit: One character can have multiple classes/jobs and freely change between them.
Also game: Makes gearing your "alt jobs" hard or should I say tedious and long.
The anti alt character mechanic dancing right into an alt character incentive design's hands.
And I did it 3 fucking times for 3 of the 5 archetypes; healer, phys ranged+nin, and caster. I don't want to farm 4 sets of capped tomestones a week, but I want to learn and play these jobs with as few strings attached as possible. I want to savage raid with some of these jobs, but PF sets iLs very high to "filter" trap players only to get trap players that farm tomes every week.
There is just no winning.
gearing so bad in this game that the ojnly way to get your alt jobs geared is to do split clears lmao. To gear up your mains at a somewhat reasonable pace let alone alts :^)
@@slimfastsubaru2043 why is it faster on a second character? Isn't the tomestone cap the same?
@@Koranthus what he means is that instead of having to do weekly reclears and weekly tome caps for 1 job, you do them twice on 2 different characters.
so for example 1 character is a tank and the other is an healer.
you get gear for both tank and healer in that 1 week but the caviat is that it's on 2 different characters (hence the alt)
As a massive casual, I see no issues with gearing faster than it is now. As a casual, it takes way too long to gear casually as it is. To the point I tend to abandon gearing because I get bored waiting like two months to have full vendor tome gear.
Agreed, like i will get 2 weeks of energy to farm raids for gear plus fact we have rng roll for items to get. If you miss out then your rerunning the same raid 3-4x if not more just for 1 ring item or pants ect. As casual i quickly lose focus re running same raid non stop i got on auto piolet and do poor.
i will attest that the only two thought that went in my mind after getting the polaris point for my paladin was: "finally, i got it!" immedially followed by "i'm not fucking doing this for my DRK and GNB"
i can see people saying "gear too fast can be a problem" but seven weeks of doing Athena for 1 weapon of tomestone gear is a bit much
For casuals it takes even longer to gear, it's absolutely crazy that this guy made this post about how it shouldn't be faster. You don't even get access to upgrade items for your tome gear until what, 3-4 months after the gear comes out if you don't raid? Wild.
@Staineless84 for sure. You can't even remotely compete with the people who went in week 1 with crafted gear as a casual player. It's impossible so to agrue for long gearing periods is fucking madness.
And God forbid that you want to gear multiple jobs. The cap needs to be raised so we can have flexibility in jobs w/o needing an alt.
They don't need to increase the cap, they need to lower the price. It SHOULD be super easy to cap tomestones, but it's beyond ridiculous that the weekly cap won't even get you one piece of gear save an accessory.
Make chest/legs 450, head/arms/feet 225, and accessories 150, or something like that. That's still enough that it's non-trivial, but now gearing an alt job with tomestones is actually practical.
I don't mind the time it takes for getting bis for the first job, but the following ones taking the same amount of time is what sucks to me.
Even fucking WoW incorporates ways for you to quickly give gear to alts and get them up to speed faster. CBU3 is way too conservative in their design ethics.
Yeah I've never understood this nonsense. A major difference XIV has over other MMOS is that you can have one character be everything... But then gearing makes that impossible in practice. It's like owning 20 cars and only being able to fuel 2-3 or them at once, what's the point?
They had something good and then made it worse for no reason because they thought it would be too good to be true.
Classic FFXIV right there.
Uber casual omni-90 here. My thoughts about gearing:
1. Double weekly tomestone cap
2. When you buy a capped tomestone gear piece, you have the ability to buy any of the same slot with uncapped tomes. I.e. if I buy a healing chestpiece with capped tomestones, I should be able to buy a fending/maiming/scouting/etc chestpiece with uncapped tomes
You don't _need_ to be BiS but it sure as hell makes it a noticeably better experience. You have more health meaning you can likely survive a mit mistake here and there, you do more damage so you have to see less of the fight, and if you're learning a new job at Savage level the gear will make up for imperfect rotations.
Hell, there's just a dopamine hit of "I've hit BiS on this class" that's always nice too. I'm personally collecting an unopened set of Savage gear for the next expansion's poster class to go into it with "90 BIS" gear since there's literally no reason to want to have anything but the best gear unless you're specifically going into minilvl content for the experience or bragging rights.
As someone who would likely fall into that mid core area, I really hate how few tomestones we get to gear up different jobs. I wish I could gear a fucking dps, a healer, AND a tank at the same time. Or have melee, phy ranged and caster dps gear
Oh man its the funniest thing when you save up a month worth of tomes then you can only buy 2 pieces of gear because this shitty system was made so you'll be lacking exactly 10 tomes and cant buy an accessory if you bought your left side first.... H I L A R I O U S
Even worse when you play Ninja and want to swap to another melee. For some reason Ninja still uses ranged DPS accessories.
@@Asako_Gaming But then you swap to Phys ranged and have your right side already. Geared out my bard so fast.
I hate that you can't get a second ring of the same ilevel, not since Dun Scaith gave us i270 accessories for killing ProtoUltima, unless you do savage raids
As someone that came in at the tail end of ShB when the tome cap was at 900, it blew my mind going into EW that it was only 450. I thought 900 was a bit restrictive. Then it blew my mind again when I found out they DO NOT increase the cap in "catchup" patches, that's only something they do at the tail end of an expansion. Just... why?
I hope they unlock savage sooner than they have been. I'm part of a casual raid group (2nights a week for 2hrs) and after finishing all our loot from p9 and 10 and just farming 11 now while we prog p12 has just felt bad. Trying to get skips to go straight to 11 at this point just sucks. Just unlock it, people still need to do the fights for BiS and glam. Anyone who is hardcore is already done unless they're farming ult gear. They really didn't think about this when they lengthened the patch cycle.
Yea if you killed a boss once you should be able to skip right to the next boss all the time. In terms of loot its the upgrade items that suck the most. They are the biggest bottle neck.
Skipping is so boring though.
@@undercoverspy123 Weird take. When your group has everything they need from previous turns and limited time to prog, why are you going to literally just throw raid time away to kill a boss that no one needs instead of prog the fight you're on?
@@undercoverspy123 Doing them after your whole static is already geared up after clearing them dozen of times is boring too
@@zealous404 Because its fun :D
I wouldn’t mind the gearing speed being what it is… if gearing other jobs didn’t ALSO take the same amount of time. It’d be nice if there was a system where if you’ve geared up one role or job, you could then quickly gear up other jobs after 1:35
Something like a character-wide slot iLvl unlock? Like, oh you equipped iLvl 640 boots, so now every class can access their equivalent. Maybe there's a gil cost to getting the extra pieces but not a full tomestone cost. This could be offset by increasing starting tomestone costs
I'd honestly just say unlocking the tier much sooner would fix this. Like after my 8 weeks I just don't have the drive to do weekly reclears anymore but I'd come back with if the tier was unlocked and I wanted to grind up bis on alt jobs for shits and giggles. Currently, since the tier unlocks loot so late I usually don't care to go back and farm since I know that gear is gonna only have a shelf life of a couple months.
@@MrJjjakey This would also be much appreciated honestly yea, let the people who wanna grind em out quickly grind em out I say
@@MiniEquineWe're stuck with the book system already so book costs should just go down if you already have the slot. Tomes are also already a "random" number and are easy to manipulate in intervals.
Even the Manderville Weapon could be an easy catch up. 1500-1500-1500 then 1000-1000-1000 then 500-500-500 for the rest. Wow so difficult to fix. It also wouldn't even be far fetched for this one as the blacksmith guy can just go "I've gotten better at this and can be more efficient with the materials" or whatever.
This whole Reddit post boils down to "I don't engage in any content where BiS has any relevance therefore BiS shouldn't matter at all for everybody".
As a casual myself, here what i usually do in a day-to-day basis, clear roulette, clear Normal Raid for alt gear on resets, and find aome inspiration for glam. But post EW is really not much to do beside that, cause island sanctuary don't offer much interaction other then setup routine or sometimes got around to gather for next sets of routine. VC just went stale after a few days and rewards take ages plus I dont have friend to do hard or savage version. So not much else i can do now. A bozja definitely would help, maybe some fishing content like netfishing or the Mahjong Championship!
7:06 I mean the redditor was right, did he just use the wrong word? Not sure what else to call it, but he's saying that EVERY job from an expansion is sharing gear with a job from ARR. So no, your SAM can't share gear with the NIN, but it sure as hell shares gear with the MNK. Not sure why that's so hard for Xenosys to understand? The context was pretty clear here. He's saying the number of raid gearsets hasn't changed since ARR, so farming armour doesn't take any longer just because they add jobs. Farming weapons is another story.
It's so annoying to here the guy on camera call people idiots when he himself is showing his entire bare ass.
So from my experience on reddit, the best advices for new players will come from (in descending order) FFXIV Shitpost > a heap of nothing > FFXIV Main Sub > a acker of dirt > FFXIV Discussion. and honestly the leap in intellegence between main sub and shitpost for actually helpfull advices is insane. on main sub you have nearly only fanboys who protect the game to much and on discussion you have all the people who activly hate the game and you cant do anything to sway their opinion.
Reddit is a place of a vocally loud minority in the case of games. Listen, read to stay up to date but don't accept bullshit like these posts, their ego is more fragile than a thin piece of glass when they try to promote feelings over facts.
If you actually look at the comments though, they are absolutely trashing that guy though, also weirdly despite mocking them so much, the shitpost sub has essentially the same opinions as the discussion subs upvoted posts.
People just developed this weird “ff14 discussion bad” opinion based on takes that most people there don’t even have.
You speak the truth. The only place worse than r/FFXIV is the official SE forums.
I definetly agree with midcore content. I am casual but enjoy doing chellenging content from time to time. I love extremes but havent done savages or ultimates due to g=the struggle of finding a group. I think if they brought back hard versions of dungeons and revamped that to be the expert roulette it would help things a lot
They have hard dungeons, its called criterion. You don't even need to do the savage version, normal criterion is hard enough
@trustytrest criterion is challenging and bring a unique challenge, but what I'm talking about is dungeons thatv are still in the same format as the other dungeons like for example sastasha hard but actually more of a challenge
I'm ok with bis taking awhile in the even patches but in the odd patches gearing should be really fast.
Even patches should be for the slower, classical progression as you get to BiS with one, maybe two classes.
Odd patches should be when it's really easy to get BiS on every class so you can do the tier retroactively with different classes and get BiS for ultimate which is the new challenge.
I don't get why people want anything different than this. This is the healthiest way for a raid tier to be. Not that we'll ever get a guaranteed ultimate every tier of course...
Regardless, the way I'd do it is even patches are exactly as they are, though maybe I'd add a "if you clear a savage tier your cap for tomes increases by 30 for this week" up to a +120 cap increase for clearing all four floors.
Then in the odd patch, the lockout is removed right from the getgo. Progression is over, go have fun, learn new classes, try new strats, do new things. Cap increases to +120 for everyone (or maybe further). Also an ultimate always comes out. Also alliances give -10 ilevel from bis gear that can be upgraded to BiS with the savage mat and no longer locked out. Change up the BiS, it will be fun! Some ultimate raiders will complain about having to re-bis up but I don't think it will be that bad if it's not locked out.
Honestly I feel like the OG difficulty on the 24 man was fine. Things now are mostly face roll including current tier. Back then I remember you really needed to be awake clearing Ozma, Cid. Yeah "easier to newbies" but do think they work great for being medium difficulty given it takes a long time for newbies to get to current content
I understand what you're saying, but Ozma isn't a good example, that is also a really easy fight to go braindead on, the hardest Alliance Raid content in my opinion is most of the Nier raids
@@aiellamorioriginal Weeping City before gear creep was legitimately kind of difficult.
@@aiellamori Did a PVP Aglaia run and ended up dropping my ilevel to 530 and still lived through the tankbusters.
FWIW there's an interview that says Myths of the Realm was done by junior team members and they acknowledged it's too easy and will be making the next alliance raids tougher. Myths of the Realm has been 12/10 for spectacle but I do agree it's like a 6/10 in terms of actual gameplay.
@@dc8836 in my opinion, all alliance raids need to be are spectacle, but that does sound nice if they do intend to make them a little harder
I think the current gearing setup is fine for the first 8 weeks of prog. This allow HC and competant MC groups to progress and complete the tier in the "maximum" timeframe and get their first BIS.
After that, they should make it easier. Double the tome drops for raids with 4+ new players who have never cleared the fight before, and drop an extra coffer, and replace the 1-per-week limit with a 1-per-week, per job class. This encourages people to go in multiple times a week on alternate jobs, help out newer players, and makes gearing faster.
Once the next patch hits, let criterion drop currency that can be exchanged for upgrade materials or tomes, and increase the weekly tome limit from 450 to 600.
Bro being able to get my loot on multiple jobs in the same week is all I wish for. Right now gearing a single job takes so much time I feel discouraged to try and gear an alt job. I would clear the raid multiple times a week on different jobs if I could, raiding is the most fun content in this game anyway!
@@slimfastsubaru2043 I suppose the one way they can fix it is tying duty complete to the 'role' instead of character based so clearing it on WAR could get you in as GNB/PLD/DRK on duty completed parties but not as other classes
About weekly tome cap, we should push for the inverse. Don't increase it, but divide tome cost of gear by 2. Work smarter, not harder. I'd be down to have more rewards from my 4 hunt trains a week instead of having to do 8 of them.
Either way it ends up being the same. Regardless, tome acquisition needs changed. I shouldn't be getting as many tomes from a 45 minute Main Scenario Roulette (on a daily lockout) as a NON-expert roulette highest dungeon (currently Aetherfont) that takes like 12 minutes.
@@amethonys2798 Not exactly the same. If you doubled the tome cap it would take 2 times as much farming each week to get capped on tomes
Im fine with either honestly. As it is it really doesn't take much to cap - I don't even cap with hunts and just spam random dungeon/raid roulette for fun and I'm capped in under 3 hours pretty commonly. Doubling the cap and not squishing the tome costs also opens more room for tweaking the tome costs which could be the difference between being able to afford another piece of gear in a single cap.
mental illness and hurt feelings is a thing in FF14 for there to be a stupid post like that one lmao. Xenos has been saying they need more midcore content and he is right. fuck man sometimes the community sure has some clowns.
FF14's community is the twitter of FF
Having opinions doesnt make you a clown you virgin otaku.
Didn't he call savage midcore content in one of his last videos?
Mental illness and hurt feelings like what was displayed in this video and in these comments?
@@sct77 maybe out of context or for himself and that would accurate.. if you can beat an ultimate . savage should be midcore to you..
This is the 'sense of pride and accomplishment' argument in another form.
'I think the *feeling* of progression should trump the ability to enter a super high-end fight'
-So it's more important to feel like you're progressing than it is to streamline the gearing process to enter the high-end fights available for the people that want to? For people trying to be a flex pick (can be tank, DPS, or healer), even with just three jobs to gear for that fight takes a while due to tomestone weekly caps - players are already grinding tomestones from the same few endgame dungeons and raids to do that - over the course of the patch. People don't want to 'hurry up and wait,' especially in a game that encourages you to try other jobs and job roles. And those jobs so far get increased by two (excluding BLU) every expansion. Something's gotta give.
Bis is a goal. Not really a requirement. Its a stage of progression. Get the kill, get the mount, get the gear.
tome gear shouldnt be time gated
BIS is a goal and isn't required to just play the game, but if you're someone who likes to do all the content you kinda need BIS to do that
Gear in XIV isn't interesting, it's just time gated.
Raising the tome cap again isn't some outrageous thing people are asking for
What an absolute candy man. He clearly only plays one job. Why would anyone not want to gear more jobs. I like playing at least 8 of the jobs and gearing each of them is miserable with the 450 cap. For years I put up with it but this expansion I just decided enough was enough and once I capped my main I never capped again. What's the point waiting 5+ weeks to get gear for one job. I could be dead in 5 weeks. I'm logging in to have fun now, not in 5 weeks.
Xeno is extremely balanced in his arguments generally. Definitely not a 1% mentality
I think I make similar observations/inferences, but I'd draw different conclusions or apply them differently. I'd agree the "you don't need BiS", but only use it in the context of content outside of savage and ultimate. Even for savage, I'd consider BiS is a bit overkill for the 1st and 2nd floors. However, I'd only use this point against people who think they absolutely have to play jobs that they have BiS in. I don't think it's a good reason against "speeding up BiS acquisition."
Another thing I'd agree but correct about Xeno and other popular streamers/content creators is that they are 1% but not because they are savage and ultimate raiders, but because they are week 1 clearers. I think it's fair to assume most raiders and statics don't clear a raid tier or ultimate within 1-2 weeks. However, I'd also not use this against his argument about speeding up BiS acquisition. Disregarding his argument because of the type of person he is is not a logical argument nor a good counter argument.
I think this reddit post is just another one of those arguments that are bringing up points that aren't really directly relevant. Personally, I don't care about loot unlock being earlier or not, but I also don't think Xeno's arguments for it is wrong or bad for the game.
you can sorta tell that even if they do raid they dont really raid on multiple jobs because even if you look at say redmage and summoner to blackmage you have a very different BiS because blackmage prefers at least 1200 sps while redmage and especially summoner gain so little from extra spellspeed you might even be throwing the rotations off when you meld too much for them.
Even tanks have that with Direct Hit on other tanks vs WAR's melds. Maybe that poster plays only WHM and AST lmao
@trustytrest even WHM to AST has different meld priorities.
WHM is like. Piety (to comfort) then Crit,DH, Det while Ast is like. Crit,DH,SPS, Det. Though omnihealers usually do meld Crit,DH,Piety,Det because it allows them to play all the jobs similar enough.
Chances are more likely that they are a Reaper main that pockets Dragoon because both Reaper and Dragoon have the same meld priorities.
Or they only play phys ranged because the balance for whatever reason decided all the phys ranged jobs have the same meld priorities and people quote the balance verbatim because they don't understand nuance (which even the melding guides in the balance does say very clearly that the numbers should be treated with nuance) [I hate the balance either way since people don't understand what the fuck nuance means]
BLM ~1300 sps is comfort. BiS BLM is actually full crit like everyone else but is more so tailored towards non-standard line type of gameplay because you dont have a lot of wiggle room for error like you do at higher sps.
Also - BLM weapon usually has sps as a stat on it so it's possible to just swap melds over to throwing a bunch of sps on your gear so you don't actually need to get different pieces.
It's kind of a pain in the ass but it is something you can do. If you wanna play blm/non-blm you have to choose between annoying meld swaps or learning very cursed BLM tech and going god mode in content you know well lol
I still don't know why alliance raid gear isn't savage item level. Maybe it made sense back in Heavensward when it could take a month or two for people to clear savage, but savage is cleared in like three days now.
@@The-Bimbus Yeah but who cares? Like is giving casuals a piece of welfare LHS BiS once a week really going to change things when everyone who raids is already BiS on at least one job by the time the 24-mans come out?
@@The-Bimbusbut by the time the AR comes out, it's like 3 months after the savage tier. If content being hard were the problem, why does gear iLvl keep increasing expansion to expansion? You get better iLvl gear from dungeons in this expansion than the highest savage tier from ShB. It shouldn't matter, ARs could be the "catch up" content.
It shouldn't be savage item level because of the insane low effort that alliance requires to be cleared, but I have to say that as a catch up gear alliance raid sucks way too much, should be higher for sure but not raid ilvl gear
@@Emiumiyou literally buy better than previous tier savage gear the day the patch comes out for raw gil. I don't think "effort" and "IL" mean much of anything in this game.
"This person would rather just run the same 24 man alliance raids for relics."
Yeah, the amount of Crystal Tower and Alexander ive ran getting all my budget ass manderville relics upgraded (all 19 of them) is literally the same, except theres nothing else cool to do.
Depends on the streamer. Some are indeed focused on raiding. Others have other focus. Some are focused on optimization of rotations. Others on glamours, new players advice. Etc.
As long as is legal, you can focus your channel in whatever you like.
The reason gear is weekly locked is so that content is not eaten too fast. The alternative would be that no one gets their gear after 2 weeks as not enough people would be doing the savage. This will have the effect of the have and the have not. Damaging the game as a whole.
Is easy for a steamer to get people on any day. Is not easy for someone who works to schedule a group of 8 people to play with. Specially when elitism is involved. The current system allows for a longer window to get the BIS. Which allows people without a static to get the BIS. What is proposed will shorten the window meaning less people will stick around.
Thats where I completly disagree any veteran who has done the hard content, are good at playing the game. By allowing them to alt job or just gear other jobs in general. You give them
1. A reason to stick around gearing
2. Because they can alt job they will continue to raid for fun
3. Because they are able to alt job they can help newbies raid easily.
4. In general there would be more people in the pf raiding then the steep decline you see right after BiS
Currently even myself. I didn't bother to do this current raid tier but I've done all the raid tiers on content since Eden Verse. After doing the 8 weeks. What's the reason to grind out besides just doing the weekly reclear. I would likely have fun and play more if I could alt job and mess around in the pf practicing other jobs.
Mind you this problem wasn't just in Endwalker it was also prevalent in shadowbringers. We had complained a lot back then but the only measly change is some items cost a little less books. It's not enough considering all the jobs there are, and not all roles share gear. And if you are thinking yeah dps that aren't the same obviously don't. It isn't just that. Some healers want more spell speed. Some tanks want more skill speed. Warrior at one point wants more det/dh then crit since fell cleave 100% crits. Blackmage has either a crit build or spell speed build. Within that if you use that Bis you may not be able to play red mage or summoner due to the spell speed you are running.
Tldr; the slow gearing is not keeping veterans engage in the game most I know do week 1 either do a double split so they finish gearing week 4 or finish week 8. Then they're just done. XIV player retention for the midcore/hardcore is at a all time low.
Just wanna drop that there are a few options between grinding the same 24 man relentlessly and getting the relic as less than a participation trophy. I've hardly played the last few months and still had all the tomes when each relic step dropped. There are maybe like 3 people in total who actually want a mindless grind, but if the relic was anything more than a worse, easier to obtain tomestone weapon, that'd be great.
@@aSmolGoth Yeah, but I mean, what good is a new shiny BiS weapon when all the content you might use it in has already been done? It will be outclassed by your run of the mill, equippable at level 93 weapon a few months later anyway. (I realize it could be used as catch up gear if you haven't done the content yet, but there's other options for that. There's no option for a relic grind)
Gotta love that a big selling point of FFXIV is all jobs on one character. But not really because you can only pick one if you want to gear yourself for actual content..
I don't HAVE to be BiS. BUT, There's a difference between Boss gear and completely garbage gear. What the fuck do I want piety or tenacity for?! They're garbage dump stats. Not to mention pieces with speed on them can break a rotation completely!
Definitely midcore content has been the problem for me personally, my work schedule doesn't let me play during times I could reliably raid with a team and I'm not casual enough for Island Sanctuary. So no bozja/eureka-esque content to have a fun grind on just left me not playing the game at all.
Anyone that says increasing the tome cap being bad is completely delusional. I capped tomes every patch this expac, and if I bought a second tome weapon I physically couldn't get BiS on every job before the next savage tier (2 patch cycles btw) because the tome cap prevented me, and I'm not an ultimate raider, so just imagine how much worse it would be for someone who did, when they have half the time period to gear jobs to BiS just to even enter
I had to argue with this guy about this and his reasoning was it defeats the purpose of "how much you work for it". What?!
I guess my only devils-advocate to that is, why is it expected to be able to fully BIS almost 20 jobs in 1 raid cycle? Are you supposed to have the best gear in the game for literally every single spec????
In WoW, you're lucky if with alts you get 2-3 BIS by the next raid.
@@TS-uc4hi i think the only real rebuttal to that is that it kinda goes against the idea that people should take a break from the game. Now im with you if you dont realistically play every job in the game you shouldnt need to gear them all. Hell ive done all the ultimates and i usually only do them on 1 maybe 2 jobs max. However i think its one of those things where lets say you flex a role for you savage group. (in this instance we'll say drg) but you usually heal ultimates most statics are done by after 8-10 weeks of raiding. so if you didnt get the loot twines and coats included you are just fucked when that comes around and they dont unlock the tier so you are just forced to either wait or idk honestly. But i would just be nice to atleast maybe gear out two roles or more in reasonable amount of time so if you want to do other content you can flex to it without feeling like your sandbagging others. Can you do the content in lower ilvl gear sure but that doesnt mean i want to i would like to contribute as much as i can. tl;dr i agree maybe gearing every job is unrealistic but rn its ass to gear like 1-3 before the next patch cycle roles around.
why do you need to gear every single job lmao. This is literally not needed. Is your goal to savage raid in that same tier with every single job? Why? You can pick that gear up for the glam if you want, at a later time with far less challenge and with less grind required when those tomes are uncapped. This argument just seems silly.
I would rather have tome gear be cheaper i don't want to have to farm more trains and dungeon for gear its not challenging, fun or fulfilling just tedious. Same point tho, more gear faster.
You might not "NEED" BiS, but you'll always be better "WITH" BiS.
Also without BIS you have a high chance of dying if you dont even have a food buff
I dont have a dog in this fight since i dont play, but the argument you dont need bis sounds stupid to me.
I can bang my head against a wall for god knows how long until i knock it down, or i can get a sledge hammer.
Why would i actively try to knock the wall down with my skull when a sledgehammer exists?
@@rasmachris94 The sledgehammer is useless if you don't know how to swing it without hurting yourself. Which is to say Skill > Gear. having BIS just makes the runs go by a little faster. I would rather have a person in min item level gear that can confidently clear, then A person who got carried or fed gear.
@@rasmachris94So you can brag to strangers about how you used your skull while they used their hammers.
more damage always helps. the more damage a party does, the less mechanics you will see in a fight. and every skipped mechanic is one less possible fail condition. more HP also allows the party to get away with suboptimal healing/mitigation without causing wipes.
Does anyone know when/where the devs admitted to using FFlogs info in order to buff/nerf jobs? That's new info for me.
There's enough jobs in the game at this point to where by the odd numbered patch (such as the upcoming 6.5), the raid tier's loot should unlock and the tome cap should be 900. Heck, I think it should be 900 period, so you're not stuck having to save tomes on some weeks to get the piece(s) you need. Also makes alt gearing a bit faster. By the time the tome cap doubles in 6.55 or whenever, no one will give a shit about that gear because it'll be a couple of months away from being bought with poetics.
There are benefits and enjoyable parts to slow, steady progression, but the game has to be built from the ground up around it. FFXIV gearing is only slow because it's historically been slow, there's no real reason for it to be as slow as it is, at least for players who want to grind it out.
There's no "sense of fulfillment" from getting BiS that gets better because you have to grind for 8 weeks for it. I'm not saying hand out all the gear for free week 1 and make crafted gear pointless, but add additional avenues to gear up, increase tome cap or heck even get rid of it most people will still just do daily experts anyway.
Crafted gear is fine for statics but try telling me PF will mitigate and heal properly to pass what's effectively min-iLvl raids, let alone deal enough damage to kill before enrage.
Oh god that Reddit post, savage raids have a tight DPS check even with echo and being over geared in PF. It's extremely dumb that we are forced to do Savage to get a 2nd ring, they fixed the problem in HW but for no reason stopped doing it.
In what world do savage raids have a "tight" DPS check? You can pass the checks in P9-12 while half asleep in min ilvl gear.
@@JacobX89 not in PF xD on my alt i still see grps wiping on Enrage in p12 p1 with 0 Deaths while the average ilvl is between 658 and 660 (upgraded tome weapon). Meanwhile me and my Static fully Bis are close to already skipping SC 2B 😅 But this is the only Fight i usually still see Enrage.
You're one of the people who cleared without cheating? You used pixel perfect and it can be seen on video.
I remember when World of Warcraft had these same type of people making elitist takes about who should have the best gear. Anyone who thinks players that don't do the hardest content should never be able to max out their character, fuck you, this is an RPG. Top end players deserve to be able to earn the best gear first, and quickest, but no player should be hard capped at their power level based on skill in an RPG (over enough time).
Every player wants to see their numbers go up, not every player wants to be a competitor. Even accounting for the best gear in the game, a good player will out perform a bad player, unless the bad player just gets nuts RNG.
I don't do savages or ultimates and I still agree with Xenos. I am already sitting on ten coins from each alliance raid so I don't need to do those. I will just need to run the third alliance raid ten times and I'll be in augmented tome gear. Then the vendors will have augmented tome gear for my other jobs. I was having fun in Bozja at this point in shadowbringers. At this point in endwalker I am out doing shit IRL instead because touching grass is more entertaining than endwalker.
The amount of classes is now straining the gearing system and its only going to get worse before it gets better.
8 weeks then lockout is removed. Then at 16 weeks tomes are increased from 450 to 900.
This resolves two major issues, one class gearing alt jobs is increased and two adds more replayability to the content.
Totally agree. Especially with the New Dropchanges that came with 6.4. Since the Boss always drops his full Loottable Gearing is so much more easier. By the Time we cleared p12s most of our Team already had a full 2nd Set from the Raidgear. Only thing that still is a Thing are the Tomestone Upgrades from p10&11. So infact we did most of our Reclears just for 2 Items while the Rest from p9-11 went already for the 3rd or 4th Class. So please either Remove the Loot Lockout earlier or let us Trade a Loot Coffer into an Upgrade Item.....i would fine by either of one. But also yes the Tomestone Cap should je either fully liftet by the Time the next odd numbered Patch comes out or at least increased.
I don't see how number of classes affects gear when it's been striking, maiming, aiming, scouting, casting, and fending for several expansions. All classes fit into one of these.
Dude wants a carrot to chase. Gear shouldn't be that carrot. Content should be that carrot. Let us play more of our jobs in more content, as well as more midcore content. Perfect.
Nothing is stopping you from playing other jobs in content lmao
If you are a casual person you can just do tome gear, but if you are part of a savage group the goal is to get Bis so boss dies faster and you dont waste you or your groups time.
Disrespecting everyone else's time is this playerbase's specialty.
I played AION back in '09 before the server merge. I was on the Meslamtaeda server, and the grind was REAL in that game.
From what I can tell how they were doing loot lockout before Endwalker was… a little okay, since the patches were shorter. But with these longer paches yeah they should really consiter unlocking the raid teir a lot earlier. Like here is what I’d do.
- Raid tier comes out: its loot locked.
- lockout on raid ends in the next major patch (this is I believe the latest they should be doing it. Four months is more than enough time).
- Alliance Raid is not locked out except the item to get the augmented tome gear, so it doesn’t outright kill the raid entirely on release.
- tome augments unlock in the x.x5 patch of the Alliance raid coming out. Less time with the lockout since the raid as already provided a lot of the tome armoe upgrades anyway. Alliance raids are meant as a catch up. Let people at least farm the higher ilevel gear from it.
As Zeno said, as a game that promotes multiclassing, they need to allow faster gearing for alts. Like come on, there are three armor set types and two accessory types in the Melee Dps category. If you main melee dps, you are probably still trying to get bis for your second or third set.
only thing id maybe change is that, if an ultimate is set to release during that patch as well, they should unlock that tier when the ultimate drops, it will get more ppl to do ultimates
@@Azemys it would depend on when the ultimate comes out. if they release it on an odd numbered patch then they wont have to do anything, the raid teir would already be unlocked. If its on an even number patch maybe they can make an exception,
Also do the ultimates themselves have a lockout (the current ones). If so that should just not exist at all imo haha.
I know its possible to clear first fight in a new tier with pentamelded gear as Redmage, maybe the second. But i think i can go no further and i usually just do the first fight anyways first week.
With recent videos like this my static agrees and came up with a lot of different ideas for gearing. Here are some of my personal hot takes.
Raise tome cap to 1000.
Daily roulettes do not have a daily cap for rewards. Spam roulettes to your hearts content.
Role Raid Lockouts. Run the same savage fight multiple times a week. First is run normally. Anything after if you run it with a different job role get an extra book (max 5 per week).
We also agreed about the alliance raid being raid equivalent. It would certainly shake up the bis gearing and add more theory crafting. This includes extremes.
they wont do it .. the core principle is to gate the fuck out of gear so you cannot meta and change ur main ( like it matters anymore ) man wow DF gearing is awesome .. but stubborn yoshi p would never learn from current wow dude is still stuck on wow-wrath and even wow-wrath have better gearing than current ffxiv
Here’s my hottest take. Everyone gets a personal chest. They can choose one gear coffer from it. But that would take away the artificially inflated time people spend gearing to both PF and statics.
@@laughingoctopus785 WoW is extremely rng based and the catch up gear is still not bis so the people complaining about FFXIV's gearing would still not be satisfied. There are reasons why gearing is slow.
Your "suggestions" would kill the entire Raidscene.
-1000 Tomes per week......since we already have 1 week of tomes before the Savage Raid release that are 2000 Tomes. Chest or Legs are an incredible Stat Boost compared to Crafted Gear and you would still have 1000 Tomes left which are 2 additional Left Side pieces.
Even with these 3 Left Side Pieces you have a Big Advantage in Week 1 so either the Bosses should have tuned up or Week 1 Raiding will be a complete Piece of Joke.
-1 Book per Role.....what prevent me from killing the Boss 5 Times and then change all the Books for a Piece for my Mainclass?
Splitclears are already a thing within the Hardcore Raiding Community. With these two suggestions every Raidtier would be cleared within 24 Hours by most of the Grps.
I'm not good enough at the game to ever get BIS, but I'll always want gearing to be as easy as possible for others that are. The caps are incredibly low, and that should absolutely change.
As a filthy casual, I like "working towards more gear" as this person said, but if they added more options it would only be beneficial. To everyone. Even if you don't raid much, you get higher ilvl and see the difference in clear times, you might just be happier with higher dmg numbers, etc. There's literally no downside to the idea of gearing faster.
several months after a raid tier you should be able to just gear up to savage ilvl via criterion dungeons or something.
Its part of why I gravitate towards maiming so much. Other than DRG and RPR just being really good jobs overall their BiS is literally identical besides one sks meld for better double enshroud alignment lol
One thing that i would change to the weekly tomestone cap, the problem here is that if Ou dont cap it every week you will not get enough tomestones for every job. It takes how long ? 7 or 8 weeks to buy the bis items for only one job?
So jnstead of a weekly cap , make it so you can get a maximum amount of tomestones that increases each week. Week 1 = 450, week 2 = 900 .... so players that just reachnlevel 90 can catch up by farming the same amount of tomestones fromm the weeks before.
It only takes two days to get 450 anyway
Being able to play every job on one character is one of the game's biggest selling points.. and then they still remain with the antiquated mindset of drip feeding you the gear drops. Even if you get loot consistently by the time you get the BiS for every role the tier is long withered. The kicker on top of all this is if you want to help other people out with their clears you practically handicap them due to the reduced loot if people already cleared.. when they can't loot again to begin with?
Make it make sense.
Granted this was just for the first tier of EW... But I wasn't full crafted for p1s to P3S, was top dps, and didn't feel like i griefed the party. P3S was my pf wall for a while... But again had nothing to do with gear and just parties that struggled with add phase.
As someone who wants to do the newest content and is in midcore
I can't buy all the crafted gear at endgame , pentameld it is worse, is like 1m per piece for one job so in total is like 15m per type (Healing , Maiming, etc) tome gear is the best option when you're broke
And sadly getting 450 aweek is nothing, i could get the Casuality ones, but why waste it there if there's a better obtainable option anyways in Crecedum, it's a waste of tomes, money and time
Party finders will literally block you if you dont have the item level for it and i like playing with different jobs so having to spend 2 weeks for 1 top of tomestones is hell , progression should be, i want to farm as many tomes as i want to get the top so i can do content after i progressed with my own time and effort, but a cap is not progress is gatekeeping, timegating
It doesnt matter how many ways of getting tomestones there are if the cap is still the same
The progression is in the bosses, who cares if it takes 1 day or 1 week for gear to go to bosses, is about clearing them , and getting the glam
I feel like FFXIV should make a good split of prestige glam gear and ilevel gear, because mixing them up and making the highest level gear the most cool looking , makes people like the reddit post think that getting the BIS gear is the reward and not the content that it unlocks
Ultimate Weapon Rewards are prestige, they're the reward of your progress
Getting Tome gear so you can do content is not progress, is a requirement, you may not require BIS but unless you're with friends going on the minimum requirements, people are gonna expect you to go with at least the mininum of the BIS, perhaps the most optimal but at least have one of the top3 ilevel gear, which is tome gear or crafted gear, or savage gear
Ah yes, there are the same number of Roles since ARR... Because you can absolutely play RDM with a full Speed set from BLM. Because all the healers want the exact same substats. Full fucking Clown Mode.
There is no "working towards gear" especially in regards to tome gear. You log in on Tuesdays and blast content that AT MOST requires 415 which is basically nothing (or do non-expert roulettes/hunts which require literally nothing). I can't put in more effort or work to get more gear.
Yes, full clearing Savage gives more chances at gear, but it takes EIGHT weeks of P12S kills to get a weapon per job assuming yours doesn't outright drop (fairly likely considering we are at 19 about to be 21 different weapons).
IMO as someone who also raids week 1, and Ultimates on launch. Along with being a WoW raider for many years. The "gear progression" argument in ff14 never really made sense to me. Each tier i feel like i'm only grinding to get back to the same point i was in the previous tier (usually involving getting back to the SkS that feels good to play). Unlike other games FF14 doesn't really have massive class changes between tiers and the gear is mostly the same everytime. Unlike something like WoW where every patch classes play massively different due to legendries, Trinkets, Tier sets, etc which allows the grind to feel like you're working for something new. It makes gearing in ff14 to me every patch feeling more like a chore than actually a fun part of raiding.
Had an fc mate pf the raids took them so long to just gear out 1 job since he lost every roll and had to pity book it. 16 lockouts if you can't win a single coffer (if its bis) and weapon doesn't drop. If gear is tied to your sense of character progression and have bad rng and or don't have enough gil to pay for your drop you're absolutely fucked
So, I used to raid in wow and was a RL in a static during Tier 1 of Endwalker.
Assuming you don’t get a single item from wing 1/2 and get walled by wing 3, let’s say you gear up the casual way.
If you do 7 weeks of 4 wing Normal, and cap weekly tomestones, you will have near BIS in 12-13 weeks.
That’s 3 months, if you cap weekly.
Most casual players aren’t going to stick around for 13 weeks, if they aren’t going to “get gud” to be able to clear 1/2 or god forbid, the 3rd wing.
It should be like half, maybe make the Normal tome weapon 4 weeks from the beginning and add 50% to the weekly tomes cap.
If you don’t raid, the upgraded tomestone gear has no purpose anyway.
They should bring back Tetra Master from ff11, They should also add Battle Arena to gold Saucer like ff7 Almost every mini game that was in ff7 Saucer should be in ff14 Saucer!!
i started the savage tier late this last patch because its the last one and the bis doesnt matter for anything aside from criterion or ex which the rewards dont interest me, i cleared 9 to 11 4 weeks in a row without LOOT only books. and im going to my week 5 in a row without loot today lets go
Unlocking savage does nothing, why do people keep repeating it. The biggest gate for almost everybody who's interested in raiding isn't even the raidgear(besides weapons maybe). God you can probably now get your missing piece from 9-11 for free or like a 500k each mercrun. Ppl have more than enough of that.
But getting another 2k tomes for BiS for a 2nd job is just disgusting. On healer I'm missing over 500crit when I'm fully raidgear without tomes. Some jobs like Healers, Tanks, Nin get absolutely wrecked by missing tomegear
And farming tomes for another 2 months to finally be able to play healer or tank or w/e at the level I'd like to is just way too long. The main reason to stop playing for me is not being able to get BiS due to restricted tomes. The timeframe is just way overdone
So what you are saying is you can't clear a savage fight without tomegear.
If you've said ultimates then I can see that. Not for savage though. Couldn't care less about 500 crit missing on my second job if I decide to hop into PF and do reclears. If you fail the DPS check then a) git gud or b) look for another group that carries their weight and doesn't die to every mechanic so you don't wipe to the non existing DPS check at week 9
@@JUstMoveee Idk why you guys who don't even raid keep commenting on each post about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with you. Noone of the fights this tier have literally any dps check, after you've a grp of 645 you can have 8 greyparsers and get through with deaths
its been sooooooooooooooooo annoying trying to get bis tome gear cuz of the 450 cap
Ye, that's the reason I'll quit a week after 6.5. Not gonna drag myself through that mess weekly to get 1 job geared in 2 months just because of tomes. If I'd be Bis I'd spam all content on various jobs just for funs sake or just trying stuff out. But like that I've no drive to login whatsoever anymore. 2 weeks to get freaking legs and knowing I've to do this for another 6 just to able to play 1 more job at BiS just isn't it. I'd rather waste my time with anything else at this point
Good thing you don't need to be bis!
The only thing I agree on with that person is the Manderville Relics. They could have made it a "do one of these 3 types of content for an item" instead of incentivizing spamming the highest level 90 dungeon 300 times, just to add a little variety with the same rewards, and add a bonus to the highest level 90 dungeon for those who like to spam that content to do things faster, despite being more mind numbing. Otherwise I agree 100% with all other points from Xeno
I was in a P12 reclear, and someone had Auto Markers for Pangen 😅 I was so confused why in savage it was needed😂
Even a casual player should want a tome cap increase like it used to be, it used to go to 900 then uncapped.
It needs to be unlocked sooner. Simply put, if we can do all the jobs and many even casual of casuals have all maxed out jobs. People like to play different jobs. SE gives us the ability but punishes for doing it. (In more ways than just gear) Having to choose gear between jobs is insane - Before anyone asks. I don't care for myself, but many people I know do have many and gripe about it. It's not handed out, it's not destroying progression.
I’ve been away from ff14 a couple years, but what’s an auto marker?
" Yeah I had a day off yesterday so I gotta let it out today..." LOOL yo keep speakin truth for these youngins yo...they need to expand their brains.
Speaking on Auto-Markers, Didn't Xeno recommend people just use auto markers for titan gaols? I remember during that one all-craft he was like, "just use automarkers for titan gaols."
As someone itching to get into mid core content i for the love of god can not find a reason to do any extremes or savages rn. I definitely agree with him.
Im a scrub and only go for the normal current raid gear for all the jobs and i still agree with xeno on the weekly cap. its way too little. Ive been doing the weekly cap for every week since the patch dropped and i dont think im gonna get all the gear from the raids for all the roles (fending, maiming, scouting etc.) before 6.5 drops. Its a shitty feeling.
Would be nice if they add gears in variant dungeon as well to gear up alts and not just criterion.
That's what the post is all about. You don't need the gear. You're running super casual content that doesn't even require you to play the game in order to win.
@@sct77 irrelevant. I still want the gear
@@gasmaskhero9300 Then put in the effort instead of claiming the game is bad for not rewarding you.
@@sct77 apparently you can't read. Since anabaseios came out I've been doing all the weekly caps and like I said it's not enough before 6.5 comes out. Even the weekly tome cap is too little. 450 is not enough.
They should just remove the cap on everything completely so you can farm whatever you want whenever you want, I hate only being able to gear one job in general.
Being limited sucks and on top of that you have to change gear 2-3 times every few months, stopped wasting my time doing raids after Stormblood.
Cant wait for Dawntrail to release so the doom and gloomers cease with those videos and topics.
I'd prefer if it stopped now, it's getting really depressing. :(
Agreed. This game is slowly turning into WoW it’s crazy. Let me play the game in peace
Oh for sure. It was old already at the first video.
Stop watching videos and maybe the algos won't mess with you? Hello?
I feel like this has been a conversation every expansion minus shadowbringers (everyone finally discovered the game), its a safe bet in mid to late dawntrail people will be dooming on 8.0. recycled content in and out of the game xffing
good loop brother do it again tomorrow
Imagining playing a RPG (or MMORPG) where you develop your characters to become stronger through efforts, but people tell you that "You don't need the best gear from hardcore grind to kill final bosses (or end-game bosses)!"
I never play anything Extreme/Savage/Ultimate in this game, so theoretically, I don't really need to gear up. Heck, I don't even have to gear up at all, as long as I somehow meet min iLV requirement of new patch's dungeon/raid. It means I can ignore like 80% of what FF14's gameplay offers and can just go unsub after .0 patch and come back when the .55 patch drops so I can finally just grind end-expansion gear, assuming I don't have a house to be wary of.
Then again, why do I even play a RPG/MMORPG if I don't grind gear to become stronger in one way or another? Perhaps I never do things that require better gear, but better gear should be a goal in a RPG/MMORPG, instead of trying to justify "not worth the grind".
I keep saying, the devs need to remove the reclear requirements for savage as early as 6.45. I raid casually and every single tier we are skipping the first three fights between the X.X5 patch and the following content patch. No one wants to reclear p9s 16+ times.
19 jobs is way too much to allow them to make every one feel unique and balanced, which is probably why they feel like a copy and paste with different skill names. It’s only going to get worse the more they add
See, i agree, the content has been great (If slow, as usual, if you rush it clears fast) the problem is still alt jobs/grinding. I've pushed raids in crafted gear and yeah, it's rooough, great for leveling the next patch but oof.
I want to see stuff like NG-EX Where you actually get XP for replaying the story, lockouts being per-job-type (EG: You can Raid as a Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged phys, Ranged magic AND healer and get a drop on each type) and generally faster levelling/gearing for alts. For us psychos that basically main "Multiclass" and learn fights in EVERY role, if i want to be insane enough to clear something like TOP as you brought up, not once, but FIVE TIMES IN A ROW IN DIFFERENT ROLES, i should actually be rewarded for it (Prog'ing a fight as a healer is a lot different than as a tank, obv)
Like, the sheer amount of effort it took me in stormblood and shadowbringers to get basically every job to 70/80 and the outright grind from hell it's being in endwalker to even get a second job to 90, let alone one in EVERY job role and then to gear it? That part just gets worse with every expansion because for all the new jobs they've added, they've added basically ZERO ways to alt-grind faster, especially if you aren't in an FC or something that does grind pushes.
No joke, something as easy as making the beast tribes give a FULL LEVEL per day in their level range and changing lockouts to per-role instead of per-char would be an insane improvement to the endgame progression in FF14
ANY MMO midcore to hardcore content BIS is required if you are trying to play your class to its optimal level. Its also a personal choice if u dont want to have bis and the content u need to clear requires it dont just do the content.
I know the time it takes to gear alt jobs is ass, but the other side of the coin here that wasn't mentioned could potentially be just as bad (At least for the more casual/mid people).
If people don't have to grind out the fights for months to get BiS, anyone who wants to raid after the first month or so might have a lot more issues getting a group together to play. Increasing the rate that alt jobs get gear (main jobs is largely fine I think though the system could use some tweaks) could reduce the number of later raiders by enough to cause issues.
blud just put up hands into a misty dogpile and finds out hes hitting himself
Bro, i just came back to the game (took a break after first savages of EW) and greeded on irrelevant piece in an ali raid, because i thought it looks cool. So then a piece for my job drops and turns out i can't roll on it (not need, roll at all) and that i'm locked for a week.
Somehow i don't think that glam was worth it.😢
The reddit poster is kinda correct. You really don't need BIS to enjoy FFXIV. You can always want BIS but never need it. I feel like mid core is relative. Some people might feel like extreme is mid core or such. But it's really depends on what is easy in the game to an individual or so.
I stopped playing because the artificial wall for raid gearing just doesn't respect my time on a busy work schedule. I love the game. I miss it sometimes. I still watch Xeno all the time. But I have too much self-respect to drain away time when I could be making money or furthering my career options.
The games gearing system should be allowed to full bis every job between raid patches but it’s impossible which is a really poor dumb concept.
Yeah you can still play all the jobs but at their bare minimum when you should be able to gear it within a raid patch cycle.
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t that the whole focal point of being able to have all the jobs on one character?
cause the other solution is just making separate characters for everything but that regresses back to the WoW concept of making separate characters and let’s say we did that we can only make 8 characters so the underlying problem still exists you cannot bis all jobs within a raid patch cycle.
weekly tome cap shouldve started as 500. it only makes sense to cap it at 4 weeks. exactly (eh) a month. 450 is such a weird and unnatural number
I do wish they would raise the tome cap weekly, 450 is honestly pretty low, I am pretty casual and it is easy to hit that without even trying. I get it though, they want to slow you some so you don't just burn through all the gear and run out of things to do. I honestly prefer crafted gear to most of the high tier stuff anyway so I get what the poster was saying sort of, but I am casual and don't really care for ultimate, im just concerned with maxing my levels and gearing them up to par with story and EX levels still.
I did get a set of credendum for my casters though cus I had no gear and figured why not just get it for one group, tanks and healers are all in pentad dia gear, going to start on ranged classes next, and then on to the hard part, gearing all the other dps that don't share as many things, though I also still have to level all that so no rush there, I am not a dps person so my dps are lagging behind lol.
Items and loot are one of the most unsatisfying things about the game. Beyond the boring (safe and balanced) pure stat stick approach, it just takes way too long to obtain for how many jobs there are in the game. Gear and stats may be a weakness that will never be changed, but the jobs and combat they're for are strengths. More options to obtain gear means more ways to just get to the good part.
i heard your the guy id ask about dark knight in ffiv online is that true ?
There's a key point missed here, and that's that over time, PF will gradually increase their ilvl requirements to join things like savage reclears and even EX farm parties. Because of this, it makes it borderline impossible to join on any gear type that isn't your primary or secondary, since it takes so long to get any gear beyond crafted. God forbid you play more than a single role, but no we have to keep gear time-gated for 'muh progression'. This is especially bad for players that aren't hardcore raiders, as they'll be clearing the savage tier much later, so their ability to pad ilvl with savage drops is greatly decreased (assuming you even get lucky in PF and don't take 8 clears just to gear your main), so they're almost entirely reliant on tomes to pad ilvl.
Also adding that savage still having lockouts and tome cap existing when an Ultimate is released that requires gear from said savage is the dumbest thing ever. It makes the inevitable burnout from statics exploding to Ulti prog 100x worse since you can't just easily reform the players you have on different roles, you're stuck on whatever 1, maybe 2 jobs you have geared for it when it released, which makes recruitment a nightmare when you just want to get back in and prog.
The ilvl requirement for PF is wild. I remember seeing 650 a lot in P9S parties on week 4. If you're an unlucky bastard, guess you're fucked.
I really wish there was a way to get BiS max item level gear withouth doing savage raid. Either your forced to do raid of you kept your mediocre tomestone gear that could have bad substats
Can somebody tell me what they mean by mid core content?
Because obviously it's not read content so I can't say that but it's not story content because that's pretty much casual content so what is considered as mid core content.
Honestly the only thing I disagree with you on is your take on the manderville relic, nobody is asking to farm endless alliance raids either, people want content unique to the relic because it works to support both things, a steady farm of stuff to do between major patches, and a reason to ever revisit expansion unique content (see the still active communities of eureka and bozja, even down to communities people still running BA and DRS). This will most likely not be the case with EW content, I cant imagine anyone ever revisiting variant/criterion or island sanctuary ever again after DT comes out, or even really a week after their respective launch patches as shown by previous releases of them. Hell even diadem and the firmament still have the pteranodon grind meaning come next expansion more people will be running that than EW content, which really puts into perspective how little incentive there is to doing any of it and how easy a fix it would be by attaching the relic to it.
God no don't attach the relic to it, that's awful as it stands now you can run pretty much any content.
lol even if all jobs that shared gear used the exact same pieces in every slot( which they don't), that's 7 lots of BiS, which if we take 7 weeks per BiS is almost a year to gear everything, which is longer than an entire raid tier lasts and even if it wasn't, the vast majority of players are not going to be capping tomes and clearing raids weekly for a full 2 patches nevermind a fucking full year
Even when we talk about roles that share gear, you can't expect me to put my BLM gear on my SMN or vice versa
Would a tome cap per job be more appropriate? Or per more role?
Honestly, I would prefer a Tomestone/Savage gear set that you only have to farm once and can be equipped on all jobs in the game, with appearance and stats syncing automatically based on the job.
It should be feasible to implement, take up less space in the arsenal, and at least we could play whatever we want without spending 9 months leveling up and ultimately not having time to create more than two sets.
For exemple:
A small gray chest,hat,boots,etc,... icon with a little synchronization arrow, and the ability to right-click on the item to view its appearance or stats based on the roles.
The experience-boosting earrings offered as a pre-order bonus for expansions partially have this system, with the appearance remaining the same.
They could definitely adapt it by implementing a automatics and invisible mirage board system linked to the gear
And the appearance and stats change according to that job.
This. And if you need your different stats, as always you'd just switch between a savage raid stat syncing piece or a tomestone stat syncing piece. Or if they actually implement other avenues of getting the same ilvl, an alliance raid syncing piece, and a savage criterion syncing piece. Stuff like that. Yay. All the yes. You still have to farm for it, but at least it has the benefits of being horizontal progression while simultaneously giving the FEELING of progression that vertical system are so beloved for having.
@@mckennaceline
Let's say this would already alleviate the burden on the arsenal system and allow players to have gear that's usable on all jobs without having to farm 10 different sets.
Especially considering that equipment changes in 9 months, and it's impossible to farm more than 2 complete sets.
Maintaining the current farming system while enabling players to use the same piece of equipment across all jobs would have no downside, benefiting everyone involved and not posing any consequences for Square Enix.
Okay the impossible to farm more than 2 sets is just untrue. Today is reset day of Week 19 since savage released, and I have full Striking, Maiming, and Healing BIS. I am working through Fending at the moment. 3 done, a 4th to be done in 3-4 weeks. I have cleared through P12S for gear/books every week since week 1, and capped tomes every week.
@@TS-uc4hi
I'm only talking about tomestone gear, and therefore non bis item without the ivl upgrade, I'm just saying that this should be applied to tomestone and savage gear.
if you take into account the tomestone capped at 450/week, it takes a very long time to farm several sets
taking into account that we cannot farm 2 rings but only one with the tomestone before upgrading one, you need to count 4635 without the weapon for the stuff and add 500 for the weapon and 375 for the ring improved.
you don't have the possibility of doing many sets, except if you combine savage and tomestone, but with the current system of the game and the fact that the game includes more and more jobs, it is a totally obsolete system with their current philosophy.
If you take into account a entire tomestone gear, it's about 3 months and a week of farming for a whole gear.