I see a lot of people ask “what if Fëanor survived” but I’m curious on a “what if Fingolfin waited and regrouped instead of challenging Morgoth...” something along those lines.
IIRC, Tolkien said, in The Silmarillion, that Morgoth would'v had TOTAL VICTORY if he had to have waited a few more, short years... but .... "his hate overcame his counsel"
Here's a good speculative question I hope you can dig into. How did Morgoth supply his huge armies? In LOTR, it's clearly explained that slaves farming in Nurn supplied Sauron's armies, but Morgoth is up there in the frozen north. Presumably no farms up there, and my sense of Angband is basically that they're all in caves and tunnels under the fortress.
I only came across your channel a couple of days ago, but loving the content. It's also nice to hear a fellow Australian accent in a Middle Earth context.
This battle has a lot of WW1 influence in it, more specifically the battle of Verdun, aka the meat grinder as it is known on both sides. No doubt JRRT must've heard some horrible stories about the battle from fellow soldiers back in the battlefields of the first world war, at a time when the idea for his world in the Tolkien Universe was first conceived.
Just think, if one bullet had travelled in a slightly different direction or a shell exploded a few yards closer during the four months of the Battle of the Somme, Tolkien could have been killed just over a hundred years ago and nobody would know his name. My life (I'm not a young man) would've been altered by the absence of Tolkien's writings.
When you do the Last Alliance of Elves and Men, please do a detailed analysis of their army sizes. possibly you can also do a separate video on how large was the last alliance.
Do a what if Feanor survived the balrogs if his sons caught up with him in time and drove the enemy away SOMEHOW(we don't need details) and retreated and regrouped, what became of the future of the story?
Literally description of ww1 battle minus trenches (maybe those forward positions of elves and men were fortified,but got blasted by ashes of Thangorodrim). Also,it seems that this entire war was just an game of rear guard for free peoples of Beleriand.No way they could win this war against such an hatred and brutality.
dont think nargothrond send 25k. In the Silm it says that Finrod didnt want to go, but he let a small force despart (they are extraordinary personal reasons to)
You might be thinking of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad where Nargothrond (under Orodreth) only sent a small force due to the deeds of Celegorm and Curufin. In the Dagor Bragollach, Finrod was hastening north with his entire army because he was desperate to save his brothers in Dorthonion.
I see a lot of people ask “what if Fëanor survived” but I’m curious on a “what if Fingolfin waited and regrouped instead of challenging Morgoth...” something along those lines.
IIRC, Tolkien said, in The Silmarillion, that Morgoth would'v had TOTAL VICTORY if he had to have waited a few more, short years...
but .... "his hate overcame his counsel"
Here's a good speculative question I hope you can dig into. How did Morgoth supply his huge armies? In LOTR, it's clearly explained that slaves farming in Nurn supplied Sauron's armies, but Morgoth is up there in the frozen north. Presumably no farms up there, and my sense of Angband is basically that they're all in caves and tunnels under the fortress.
Remember orcs are cannibals
7:03 such a beast. Love fingolfin
This was such a helpful companion to the corresponding chapter in Silmarillian! Thank you!
Morgoth: Haha! A mortal challenges me? Owwww, me bloody foot!
I do like the way he never lost that limp.
What is the music used at 3:50? Have no idea if you’ll see this since it’s 3 years old lol
I only came across your channel a couple of days ago, but loving the content. It's also nice to hear a fellow Australian accent in a Middle Earth context.
This battle has a lot of WW1 influence in it, more specifically the battle of Verdun, aka the meat grinder as it is known on both sides. No doubt JRRT must've heard some horrible stories about the battle from fellow soldiers back in the battlefields of the first world war, at a time when the idea for his world in the Tolkien Universe was first conceived.
Just think, if one bullet had travelled in a slightly different direction or a shell exploded a few yards closer during the four months of the Battle of the Somme, Tolkien could have been killed just over a hundred years ago and nobody would know his name. My life (I'm not a young man) would've been altered by the absence of Tolkien's writings.
Great video!
Great video also thank you for the colours around the pictures really helped thank you also keep up the good work
Make more of these man! Wonderful vids!!
This is an excellent video, even though you forgot to mention that Maedhros could recover the Aglon's pass, so Morgoth could not attack by there
When you do the Last Alliance of Elves and Men, please do a detailed analysis of their army sizes. possibly you can also do a separate video on how large was the last alliance.
May u do a what if Fëanor survived
Finally somebody fucking said that, thank you sir.
that would be great , really .
Do a what if Feanor survived the balrogs if his sons caught up with him in time and drove the enemy away SOMEHOW(we don't need details) and retreated and regrouped, what became of the future of the story?
I wonder how Morgoth could maintain and feed an army so big. 300.000 orcs are a lot of mouths to feed even in Thangorodrim.
There was probably a lot of cannibalism involved. "Kills the elves so you get to eat them" sounds like a great motivator.
Literally description of ww1 battle minus trenches (maybe those forward positions of elves and men were fortified,but got blasted by ashes of Thangorodrim).
Also,it seems that this entire war was just an game of rear guard for free peoples of Beleriand.No way they could win this war against such an hatred and brutality.
I challenge the spaghetti monster to single combat quite often and I haven't lost since I found out I was lactose intolerant.
Who was the elvish prince to die before Aegnor and Angrod?
Argon - Fingolfin's youngest son. He's so unimportant that he doesn't even appear in the Silmarillion.
dont think nargothrond send 25k. In the Silm it says that Finrod didnt want to go, but he let a small force despart (they are extraordinary personal reasons to)
You might be thinking of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad where Nargothrond (under Orodreth) only sent a small force due to the deeds of Celegorm and Curufin. In the Dagor Bragollach, Finrod was hastening north with his entire army because he was desperate to save his brothers in Dorthonion.
Thank you so much Thare are little lort youtude channels adout the frist age
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