Man, the only forgotten gifts from the closet I ever got was when my mom would say, oh, here’s a toothbrush I forgot to put in your stocking for Christmas 6 months ago.
Respect to Pat and Ian for their immense video game knowledge and passion. Respect also for daring to be yourselves. The main point of your channel, first and foremost is video games. Other channels try too hard to be slick, funny, and friendly, in a pretentious kind of way. However, you guys are the real deal.
Pretty sure the founder of Trade N Games here in the STL area (the robbery & partial recovery of his stuff was covered previously on the show) is at CGC now as part of their games team.
But can you get you get your WATA seal itself graded and sealed? I'd like to see someone sporting a giant plastic case that holds a WATA case holding a game. Particularly a situation where WATA messed up, like that bootleg Castlevania or even just a normal dubious grading. Extra points if they include some certification of what WATA claimed it was worth.
Coin prices from the 80s were bonkers. I have a few coins in old slabs that had price tags from 30+ years ago, and those were in late 1980s dollars. Today it's like 1/4 of those prices, and in 2023 money - so easily 1/10th accounting for inflation. That said, numismatic coin prices over the past 3 years is up 20-30%. It's been steadily climbing.
Coins peaked in the late ‘80s. Stamps did, too, but never recovered like coins. Coins are always worth something, especially if they’re silver or gold.
I went to a coin show over the weekend. It was my first in over 30 years. I was surprised to see the key date coins selling for pretty much the same prices they were at in the early 90s. 1916-D Mercury dimes are still about a grand each. It's as if inflation didn't exist. The only thing that's changed since then is the price of precious metals, which have gone up rather significantly since then. But that only affects the silver and gold coins whose main value was bullion based.
I never understood why it costs more to grade something more expensive. The process should be uniform, maybe offer insurance on the more expensive ones.
@chrishesotian1654 in all fairness, every business wants your money. But it's not just Wata, every grading company for everything is the same. They charge more to grade a more expensive item
Because, for better or worse, in the markets they grade their grading adds value. The reason they get that percentage is basically because you can't get the high estimation without their grading - both their authentication and their "independent" review of its quality. A grading can add hundreds of thousands of dollars in certain markets. So they're basically taking a cut of any future sale.
This is why I think a lot of those headline-making big sales are fake sales. They're always arguably some of the most common games (Mario 1, Mario 64, Zelda, Sonic, etc) and if you're like "oh hey, this mario 64 is worth 1 million dollars" as per the Heritage listing, then you're paying a stupid amount of money to simply have it graded, in theory.
I watch the show all the time, maybe half the items go down, in my opinion. I can't believe how long the show has been on. The original focus was on things you would typically find in an antique shop. The audience and collectors of many of these items are passing away, this is probably the main reason for the decline in prices. The biggest declines appear to be in older popular culture items that have no functionality. Two markets that come to mind are Stamps and Model Trains. I was really shocked by model train prices recently, if you really wanted to put together a train set including scenery just for fun, now is the time. You can get a lot of great older stuff, much still new in box for practically nothing. I think only ten years ago it was a still thriving market. You often see older rolls and sheets of stamps that people collected being sold for less than face value and being used for postage.
Model trains are still very lucrative but the interest in the larger scale sizes is worthless. Most focus on HO scale. They could give a shit about O scale.
My grandfather gave me amazing spider man issues 1 thru 25, unfortunately he didn't know they would ever be worth money and I was 4 when he gave them to me, so they were all absolutely destroyed by the time I was 6, I still have the first lizard missing pages and cover, I'm 40 now
Antiques Roadshow is at its best when its late at night and you're just staring at vases and go "Huh...that vase looks ugly.....but that one seems nice. Huh that painting sucks but went for 200k.....weird." Thanks for the years of free podcast content. :v
Antiques roadshow slaps at 3am for a late night snack entertainment. also the calm speaking tone and vibe of the show knocks me out when i cant get to sleep, lol
I've been trying to sell a gold watch from my father since his passing, 20 years ago. My aunt tried to pressure my mom to put it up, and it didn't go anywhere. Yeah, it's tough to get things to move when you don't know really how to sell it.
You need to know what it is and where to sell it before you do anything with it.Also if it's a wind-up watch it will need to be repaired mechanically before it will even be worth anything. they seize up from people over-winding it, playing with it, and decaying with age. Also there's no reason to sell it. Put in a lock box at the bank.
It's cool that Ian loves model trains. I do too. But that stuff is still expensive! I hope prices keep going down haha. It is a shame Antiques Roadshow messed up on these games though.
I kind of want a pristine copy of Super Mario Bros 2, just because I have such memories with that game as a kid. Other than that, I'd take a beat up cart for anything I'd want to collect as long as it works.
I'm curious to see if WATA does anything similar in response to CGC basically going after WATA's already graded games. They can basically print money by competing back and forth by re-grading the same game back and forth. LOL. Also, I don't think it would be twisting the knife for CGC to send to WATA (or just release publicly) a spreadsheet of all of the transfers. This would help the population reports to be more accurate. To be honest, the population reports are already inaccurate due to people breaking games out of slabs and regrading them for internet clicks (or simply because they wanted the game to be regraded in the hopes that it would regrade higher). I have seen countless examples of this happening, and I doubt that WATA/ VGA/ CGC are able to account for these.
This is humorous on a number of levels. But my favorite is that it now completely up ends the accuracy of population reports so now it will seem like there are more copies then there actually are, helping to further suppress prices. #gradingisstupid
I’m a car guy. Old guys say they had a 68 SS Camaro or a 71 Cuda. They say if they still had it they would be rich. Well it would be beat to shit by now and the cost of storage/maintenance/insurance would kill any profit. What if a guy sold his high school car and bought stocks? Be worth a lot more.
Well, that Antiques Roadshow episode, does it say when those segments were filmed? That would throw things off for evaluation anyway. I recall watching that show on tv like 2 decades ago, however cannot remember what information they display for each.
right its for entertainment not accuracy. They probably handed the games to the little girl off camera to set up a cute scene. Its all fabricated scripted nonsense and lots of people have trouble getting that
I think certain games like Super Mario Bros and Zelda will transcend generations and will always have some sort of value even when the 80s kids are gone. Star Wars and Mickey Mouse are still around and kids now know them. It just depends on if Nintendo continues as a brand and company.
Antiques Roadshow is a UK show that the BBC has run since 1979. It has an actual budget and actual production values. Whoever thought it a good idea to licence it to a US PBS needs their head examined.
Thanks to this show, I've learned recently that grading of games is actually a thing. Although it sounds like it's controversial? I have an NES Action Set (red blaster) that is in extremely good condition. it was barely used and the only blemish is the price sticker still in the upper right corner of the box. Is this something I should have graded so that I know the value? I've seen wildly different value ranges in this system. From under $200 to over $5000, and now I am curious if the actual value of my system.
It's worth $100 and nobody cares about price tags. Grading shit is only for people that promote and engage in money laundering and tax fraud because they declare these things on their taxes so they can profit off the falsely inflated wealth.
@@reggaerock The point is it's all part joke, because it's GREENDOG, and part to preserve a family keepsake, my mom was cleaning out my grandma's house after she died, and found a sealed copy of Greendog with some other gifts she had put aside (we already had a copy of it as kids, which got lost).... so it does have sentimental value.
Given A.R. is a production aired by PBS, a Public Service Broadcaster, You would expect the show and it's content to be FACTUAL by default. A.R. though, is an OPINION based show, made up entirely of opinions expressed by the presenters. The Danger here is it's PBS, an alleged impartial commentator. Something like PAWN STARS, which is entirely fiction, can never be at fault for hyping a value or depending on the opinion of the owner of another pawn store down the street. PBS needs to be written to on this, as a casual viewer could view this kind of valuation as factual, and in the spirit of impartial 'Public Service'.
luls at people who think that collectibles are a good investment vehicle. Not only is it volitle, but you also have to deal with changing tastes. Basically, if you're collecting to make money you're doing things wrong.
I watched the video. Those boxes were jacked up, and even if they weren’t, the games were overvalued. The actual value is probably closer to $500 for both, rather than $5000. That little girl will never be able to sell a smashed up Double Dragon for three grand. Who tells a kid that?
Physical conditions of coins/comic books? Absolutely important. Do i like my physical games not being feces smeared torn up trash? Sure. But this "woa the cellophane wrapping is in A+++ mint condition, 1000 billion dollars" stuff cant go away fast enough.
Tommy Tallerico should start his own Grading Company. He could call it the Retro Grading Mafia . Then go on you tube and promote it people will be more than enthusiastic to send their games to him and slap a plastic tupper ware seal on it
I would like to learn more on grading sealed games as an interesting hobby. Perhaps Wata would use my skill but conflict of interest with me wanting to open them all would lessen profits.
A few years ago I bought some sealed Star Wars figures and I opened them and played with them. The dealer that sold them to me almost wouldn't sell them to me when he found out my intentions. We had great fun with them though.
I have talked about this population report stuff before. I found that these companies normally request that you send the label back to the old grading company so they adjust the pop report. @patnespunk
Man, the only forgotten gifts from the closet I ever got was when my mom would say, oh, here’s a toothbrush I forgot to put in your stocking for Christmas 6 months ago.
Oh man! Your poor, poor teeth!
0:00 CGC on WATA
4:38 Sealed NES Games on Antiques Roadshow
17:23 WATA Class Action Lawsuit
Gonna miss the weekly/bi weekly pods...thanks for years of entertainment. Looking forward to the big shows in the future
Respect to Pat and Ian for their immense video game knowledge and passion. Respect also for daring to be yourselves. The main point of your channel, first and foremost is video games. Other channels try too hard to be slick, funny, and friendly, in a pretentious kind of way. However, you guys are the real deal.
Antiques Roadshow has been on the TV in the UK since 1979! I don't think they've ever had games on there.
Pretty sure the founder of Trade N Games here in the STL area (the robbery & partial recovery of his stuff was covered previously on the show) is at CGC now as part of their games team.
But can you get you get your WATA seal itself graded and sealed? I'd like to see someone sporting a giant plastic case that holds a WATA case holding a game. Particularly a situation where WATA messed up, like that bootleg Castlevania or even just a normal dubious grading. Extra points if they include some certification of what WATA claimed it was worth.
My Atari VCS was bought new in box, forgotten by a grandmother. Sat in a closet in a bedroom for 35 years. This stuff is rare but it does happen.
Coin prices from the 80s were bonkers. I have a few coins in old slabs that had price tags from 30+ years ago, and those were in late 1980s dollars. Today it's like 1/4 of those prices, and in 2023 money - so easily 1/10th accounting for inflation. That said, numismatic coin prices over the past 3 years is up 20-30%. It's been steadily climbing.
Coins peaked in the late ‘80s. Stamps did, too, but never recovered like coins. Coins are always worth something, especially if they’re silver or gold.
Not sure if mentioned in this podcast or if you know, but the people behind the coin bubble and this bubble are literally the same people 😂😂
Same guy behind the coin bubble is behind this.
Heritage auctions was around back then also
I went to a coin show over the weekend. It was my first in over 30 years. I was surprised to see the key date coins selling for pretty much the same prices they were at in the early 90s. 1916-D Mercury dimes are still about a grand each. It's as if inflation didn't exist. The only thing that's changed since then is the price of precious metals, which have gone up rather significantly since then. But that only affects the silver and gold coins whose main value was bullion based.
@@clownworld5474 Yes, the coin grading companies moved on to video games.
“Everything eventually diminishes unless it’s truly historical…” Pat Contri @13:49 well said Sir, well said.
I never understood why it costs more to grade something more expensive. The process should be uniform, maybe offer insurance on the more expensive ones.
@chrishesotian1654 in all fairness, every business wants your money. But it's not just Wata, every grading company for everything is the same. They charge more to grade a more expensive item
Because, for better or worse, in the markets they grade their grading adds value. The reason they get that percentage is basically because you can't get the high estimation without their grading - both their authentication and their "independent" review of its quality. A grading can add hundreds of thousands of dollars in certain markets. So they're basically taking a cut of any future sale.
Yeah it should be one standard price, they are charging you more for nothing extra
You can because it makes it worth more but none of that is a guarantee, so it should be a standard price
This is why I think a lot of those headline-making big sales are fake sales. They're always arguably some of the most common games (Mario 1, Mario 64, Zelda, Sonic, etc) and if you're like "oh hey, this mario 64 is worth 1 million dollars" as per the Heritage listing, then you're paying a stupid amount of money to simply have it graded, in theory.
I watch the show all the time, maybe half the items go down, in my opinion. I can't believe how long the show has been on. The original focus was on things you would typically find in an antique shop. The audience and collectors of many of these items are passing away, this is probably the main reason for the decline in prices. The biggest declines appear to be in older popular culture items that have no functionality. Two markets that come to mind are Stamps and Model Trains. I was really shocked by model train prices recently, if you really wanted to put together a train set including scenery just for fun, now is the time. You can get a lot of great older stuff, much still new in box for practically nothing. I think only ten years ago it was a still thriving market. You often see older rolls and sheets of stamps that people collected being sold for less than face value and being used for postage.
Model trains are still very lucrative but the interest in the larger scale sizes is worthless. Most focus on HO scale. They could give a shit about O scale.
I saw a similar story about some guy supposedly putting a sealed VHS of Rocky 3 into a time capsule for his kid.
My grandfather gave me amazing spider man issues 1 thru 25, unfortunately he didn't know they would ever be worth money and I was 4 when he gave them to me, so they were all absolutely destroyed by the time I was 6, I still have the first lizard missing pages and cover, I'm 40 now
Oh damn, and he had those basically mint?
Antiques Roadshow is at its best when its late at night and you're just staring at vases and go "Huh...that vase looks ugly.....but that one seems nice. Huh that painting sucks but went for 200k.....weird."
Thanks for the years of free podcast content. :v
Antiques roadshow slaps at 3am for a late night snack entertainment. also the calm speaking tone and vibe of the show knocks me out when i cant get to sleep, lol
I've been trying to sell a gold watch from my father since his passing, 20 years ago. My aunt tried to pressure my mom to put it up, and it didn't go anywhere. Yeah, it's tough to get things to move when you don't know really how to sell it.
Keep that watch
You need to know what it is and where to sell it before you do anything with it.Also if it's a wind-up watch it will need to be repaired mechanically before it will even be worth anything. they seize up from people over-winding it, playing with it, and decaying with age. Also there's no reason to sell it. Put in a lock box at the bank.
The sealed game market is bullish alright, some say it's a total bunch of bullish.
😂
What you did there, I see it. Lol
Or just the ish part
Remember a couple years ago when Pat said the vast majority of NES games will only be worth $1? lol
I liked the Elvis and model trains reference in your conversation.
It's cool that Ian loves model trains. I do too. But that stuff is still expensive! I hope prices keep going down haha.
It is a shame Antiques Roadshow messed up on these games though.
I kind of want a pristine copy of Super Mario Bros 2, just because I have such memories with that game as a kid. Other than that, I'd take a beat up cart for anything I'd want to collect as long as it works.
Man, I had a beautiful Märklin model train set as a kid. Wonder whatever happened to it...
I'm curious to see if WATA does anything similar in response to CGC basically going after WATA's already graded games. They can basically print money by competing back and forth by re-grading the same game back and forth. LOL.
Also, I don't think it would be twisting the knife for CGC to send to WATA (or just release publicly) a spreadsheet of all of the transfers. This would help the population reports to be more accurate.
To be honest, the population reports are already inaccurate due to people breaking games out of slabs and regrading them for internet clicks (or simply because they wanted the game to be regraded in the hopes that it would regrade higher). I have seen countless examples of this happening, and I doubt that WATA/ VGA/ CGC are able to account for these.
I first heard about you on an episode of Angry Video Game Nerd on Nintendo World Championships. Funny.
Does Ian's vag, i mean tummy still hurt? Haven't been to this channel in some years
This is humorous on a number of levels. But my favorite is that it now completely up ends the accuracy of population reports so now it will seem like there are more copies then there actually are, helping to further suppress prices.
#gradingisstupid
I’m a car guy. Old guys say they had a 68 SS Camaro or a 71 Cuda. They say if they still had it they would be rich. Well it would be beat to shit by now and the cost of storage/maintenance/insurance would kill any profit. What if a guy sold his high school car and bought stocks? Be worth a lot more.
Don’t stop the show… 😢
WATA should pivot.
And start making NFTs instead.
Well, that Antiques Roadshow episode, does it say when those segments were filmed? That would throw things off for evaluation anyway. I recall watching that show on tv like 2 decades ago, however cannot remember what information they display for each.
To a kid $5000 is an unthinkable amount of money, they would think they are now rich.
I’m going to miss your show. 😭
right, but this is the same with the antique show, they over price because it makes for better tv.
The prices they quote on the antiques roadshow is usually based on insurance value rather than auction value, well in the uk version anyway.
right its for entertainment not accuracy. They probably handed the games to the little girl off camera to set up a cute scene. Its all fabricated scripted nonsense and lots of people have trouble getting that
I think certain games like Super Mario Bros and Zelda will transcend generations and will always have some sort of value even when the 80s kids are gone. Star Wars and Mickey Mouse are still around and kids now know them. It just depends on if Nintendo continues as a brand and company.
I only use CGC for comics, PSA/BGS for cards.
Antiques Roadshow is a UK show that the BBC has run since 1979. It has an actual budget and actual production values. Whoever thought it a good idea to licence it to a US PBS needs their head examined.
Thanks to this show, I've learned recently that grading of games is actually a thing. Although it sounds like it's controversial? I have an NES Action Set (red blaster) that is in extremely good condition. it was barely used and the only blemish is the price sticker still in the upper right corner of the box. Is this something I should have graded so that I know the value? I've seen wildly different value ranges in this system. From under $200 to over $5000, and now I am curious if the actual value of my system.
It's worth $100 and nobody cares about price tags. Grading shit is only for people that promote and engage in money laundering and tax fraud because they declare these things on their taxes so they can profit off the falsely inflated wealth.
didn't even know antiques roadshow did video games that is so weird to me so I'm not surprised they got it wrong
I grew up with Star Voyager so I actually have a soft spot for it, unfortunately not a $150 soft spot.
That unironically is a good price for grading.
Pat should keep the CIB games and sell the loose carts.
Consoul is a great expression IMO.
I have a sealed copy of Greendog for Sega Genesis, I kinda want to get it graded for fun.
9.8, your welcome.
What's the point? If you get a grade you don't like just send it back until it gets the grade you want.
@@reggaerock The point is it's all part joke, because it's GREENDOG, and part to preserve a family keepsake, my mom was cleaning out my grandma's house after she died, and found a sealed copy of Greendog with some other gifts she had put aside (we already had a copy of it as kids, which got lost).... so it does have sentimental value.
I will give you a 9.9 if it helps
Given A.R. is a production aired by PBS, a Public Service Broadcaster, You would expect the show and it's content to be FACTUAL by default. A.R. though, is an OPINION based show, made up entirely of opinions expressed by the presenters. The Danger here is it's PBS, an alleged impartial commentator. Something like PAWN STARS, which is entirely fiction, can never be at fault for hyping a value or depending on the opinion of the owner of another pawn store down the street. PBS needs to be written to on this, as a casual viewer could view this kind of valuation as factual, and in the spirit of impartial 'Public Service'.
Wow...I had no idea Antiques Roadshow was still on the air.
You guys should do a look into the Art auctions
If you wouldn't want to own if it was worthless, you probably shouldn't collect it. Because in the long run most things become worthless.
luls at people who think that collectibles are a good investment vehicle. Not only is it volitle, but you also have to deal with changing tastes. Basically, if you're collecting to make money you're doing things wrong.
Grading in general is extremely silly. WATA has made a silly thing into something even more ridiculous.
It's funny how well maintained/reasonable Japanese game collecting prices are compared to American ngl.
Only problem is, the part where you’re collecting Japanese games lol
@@thepatternofchairs9814 I can read Japanese/not a problem with me lmao, plus some games are perfectly playable without any JP knowledge
Wata's defense won't hold water.
I watched the video. Those boxes were jacked up, and even if they weren’t, the games were overvalued. The actual value is probably closer to $500 for both, rather than $5000. That little girl will never be able to sell a smashed up Double Dragon for three grand. Who tells a kid that?
Irresponsible to tell a child that.
SEEEAALLED!!
Physical conditions of coins/comic books? Absolutely important. Do i like my physical games not being feces smeared torn up trash? Sure. But this "woa the cellophane wrapping is in A+++ mint condition, 1000 billion dollars" stuff cant go away fast enough.
This wata business is crazy. And I don't trust these "experts" anymore. I have a small collection, and got two very different "expert"opinions.
Tommy Tallerico should start his own Grading Company. He could call it the Retro Grading Mafia . Then go on you tube and promote it people will be more than enthusiastic to send their games to him and slap a plastic tupper ware seal on it
Dear God no.
I would like to learn more on grading sealed games as an interesting hobby. Perhaps Wata would use my skill but conflict of interest with me wanting to open them all would lessen profits.
A few years ago I bought some sealed Star Wars figures and I opened them and played with them. The dealer that sold them to me almost wouldn't sell them to me when he found out my intentions. We had great fun with them though.
@@SoulforSale As intended but at a WAY later date. I am glad you did.
I'll grade any game & give you any score you want!
My fee is a burger & soda 🍔🥤🍟
Will do it for just a burger
This episode really hurt the integrity of Antiques Roadshow. Would prefer not seeing the "pop-culture," appraiser again.
Haha forgotten gifts I have had one
A Playmobile dude on a bike and I opened it as soon as my mum found it in the closet :D
Sounds like Dennis Kahn and his gang are going to be in hot WATA. :p
I have talked about this population report stuff before. I found that these companies normally request that you send the label back to the old grading company so they adjust the pop report. @patnespunk
accidentally bought a wata game
Watching you guys literally shake with anger over people buying Wata games @11:20 is so funny to me.
You’re kinda stretching there.
Games are to be played
10k smash respond
This is irresponsible, and it's for the "benefit" of audience at home for whom the programme makers are weaving a story.
Damn y’all are stopping? Wack. Just do less but don’t stop.
You guys are full of bullish, alright :)