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I couldn't help but think of Aerith's dream with Cloud when she says, "There is liking, and there is liking in another context." It reminds me of how I feel about finding your channel...I'm really glad that I found you and your amazing videos
I think you're right about Sephiroth wanting to save everyone, albeit it his own twisted way. I think I've noticed a pattern with the white and black wings. I want to double check though. While the black wing is used for death and destruction, the white wing of Angeal is only used to carry people to safety or where they need to go, or salvation. The common theme is deliverance. But according to the party, the feathers that represent Cloud are yellow, the same as the flowers we are told to follow :)
Thanks for the great video! Besides his iconic looks and the legendary murder of (...), I never perceived him as the “best villain” because his character had virtually no depth. But I'm getting the feeling more and more that the developers are highly aware of this and are working harder and harder to actually make him the best antagonist. (to me he kind of already is now) I keep wondering how tragic it would be, for example, if he also considers leaving Shinra after the Rhadore mission, but is convinced to stay by Angeal and his “Soldier Honor”. And later it's Angeal who abandons Shinra and him. That would leave Sephiroth full of regret and anger. "Sorrow. Anger. Regret. Guilt." he knows these feelings so well. I also continue to suspect that Glenn's death takes place shortly before the Nibelheim mission. Dramaturgically, I think that would be so intense. The last anchor (Glenn) still keeping Sephiroth sane might even be killed in front of his eyes. His fall in Nibelheim would just make so much more sense.
For all that Sephiroth is the "bad guy" I've always felt that his story is one of the most heartbreaking. I've always felt drawn to his side of things. I'm always disappointed in a book/movie when the villain is very one dimensional, which Sephiroth is definitely not. The author Sara Douglass comes to mind for someone who would write characters that were both complex and subtle. No one was just one thing for both the heroes and the villains of her stories.
04:35 I could swear Aerith’s theme sneaks in there for a second: for a time during story development he and Aerith were siblings, so thematically I wonder if they could be drawing a parallel between Aerith’s severance from The Cetra on the one hand and Sephiroth’s from humanity on the other. Whether The Cetra on this story’s Planet represent its future or not is one of the central questions I hope part 3 answers clearly and explains thoroughly along with Jenova’s designs on the truth, since they chose to break with the rest of The Cetra in order to remain on this Planet rather than continue The Cetran people’s itineracy and I am wondering if the devs hold that to be something that dooms a Planet.
I was always under the impression in OG FF7 that Sephiroth had grown so powerful that he was controlling Jenova, but with Remake/Rebirth, I'm convinced that Jenova is controlling him, and he's just a puppet to her, no different than the robed figures.
I still kinda hope he is in control because that just makes him much more intereseting. If it can all be pinned on the crazy alien parasite in his mind that's kinda boring if that makes any sense. I so badly want to understand Sephiroth's drive.
10:36 both of them use their nondominant hands to comfort themselves from the flashes. The same place where Sephiroth's wrong sprouts from, the same place Cloud has geostigma, and after the end of Rebirth, the same place Aerith's illusions pop up from.
I feel like this takes on additional context in Advent Children where the implication is that Sephiroth is able to survive because Cloud still has Jenova cells within him,
I 've always felt a deep admiration and awe for Sephiroth for the way it is introduced and presented in OG FFVII.A deep sense of reverence, otherworldliness.Something Godly,mystical,but very dark and unique about him and his aura.But I also had a subconscious empathy for him also.His words at temple of the ancients " Only death awaits you all. But do not fear. For it is through death that a new spirit energy is born. Soon, you will live again as a part of me" justify this interpretation! These words doesn't sound evil. They reveal a Grand Plan or dream of Sephiroth-Jenova leave an open window for discussion about Sephiroth's motives and intentions !!
Quick side note about the Masamune in Final Fantasy. It is the very first Final Fantasy it is a super weapon hidden in the Final Dungeon Chaos Shrine. The most powerful weapon in game. It's existence is almost iconic as any Summon. A superior yet hidden rival to Excalibur the second strongest weapon in game. See the connection? I have no doubt they will have someone forge it for him in the real world but the Blade of Legend shouldn't be made by some guy named "Bob" from Wutai is all I'm sayin. That said I still hold fast that the Edge of Creation is Sephiroth's Lifestream revelation similar to Tifa's how she kind find her core memories. Only due to Jenova's influence and the lack of trust of those around him his mind/heart is literally a raft floating in the harsh coldness of space watching a warm nebula of stars converge into something beautiful... That detachment and Serenity allows Sephiroth to cut through Soliders, Robots, Buildings and even Flower Girls like Bob Ross painting a sunny afternoon. "And here's a happy little Cloud next to the flower girl... lets add some titanium white😢" Jokes aside, might have to start playing Ever Crisis after seeing Sephiroth get the Jenova memory spike. Last theory I had relates to why celluar degradation happens to soliders but not to Zack and Cloud. Each Jenova cell while they transfer memories and in some cases appearances to their hosts are actually memory batteries. Hojo being the crap scientist he is thinks this is a powerup but its really a power drain on it's hosts future life energy for a short burst of speed that is not transferring power but giving the source control. Jenova wants to sow war so it's granting it's not batteries the power it is draining from the lifestream. Hojo again thinking he's chained the beast put it between 8 reactors. Which enabled it to call one of it's best batteries to action. That is why Sephiroth wakes up in the lifestream after several years have past.Hojo thinks he is control but he's not. Why doesn't it work on Zack and Cloud as much? It's not about having friendship or a cheery dispoition cause Roche succumbed. Not about being dark and moody cause it didn't help Angeal or Genesis. It's more that both were willing to accept death with honor. I think that is actually what breifly cures Genesis in the end of Crisis Core by the (Goddess). No future to drain the cells abandon the host like fleas off a drowning rat. Like Sephiroth dropping Kadaj off like discarded toy. Zack knows he's not gonna make it home but he's still gonna try so less of a reason to drain his spirit. Now my reason for Cloud is just personal wishlist for why it is. Cloud is always suffering from the degradation. It's constantly eating at him every minute of the day. Contact with Zack's Blood after he was gunned down by Shinra passed Zack's memories and skills as Hollander thought those traits would be transferred when he had those cloned eat Zack's hair in Crisis Core (Weird I know but it's all splicing psychic shapshifting Jenova DNA with that hame). Along with that the resolve that even if he didn't make it back to see Aerith he would still try. That is why Cloud's skillset match Zack's and the attraction to Aerith. Now Cloud never gave it a second thought killing Sephiroth after he hurt Tifa in Nibelheim but this is also what set his resistance to maximum. His true self holds himself to a promise to Tifa. An almost Unattainable promise like the one he gave to Aerith. That will not let him lose, even to Sephiroth as an infantryman. Think Captain America "I can do this all day". Kinda seems like a deathwish to an outside observer but that is what kids do. Should I stay or should I go is what the cells are thinking. That will is what Sephiroth wants but never understands where it comes from. That innocence he gave up that Cloud guards with his general abrasive self. Which is why the Promise actually perks Aerith up at the end of Rebirth. So yeah Aerith's appearance at the end is neither Jenova or a hallucination but her memory from the lifestream seeing her secret weapon/trojan horse off to battle. A little kid with an impossible dream and a promise to keep...with a big ass sword and super solider strength following after the fool who hurt his little sister. Sephiroth is gonna psyche him out of that of course along with the party. But so that is how the story can happen. The Geostigma virus in Advent Children is something else altogether for another theory. These are just fun to think up.
My new resolution theory. Its like how dr strange observed and searched for all the outcomes to find the one where they beat thanos. Its known that 7 seconds till the end, what choice or outcome will cloud chose that he has observed to make come into reality. All the choices from the outcomes of the past choices that lead to new world futures. Which future did he observe that he wants to make a reality? Who knows.
Great channel man! Love your passion and insight into FF7. I love putting all this stuff together too and holy shit if Square didn't put together some epic shit together for everybody to process and appreciate.
P.S. I love how you break down all this stuff frame by frame. I've never seen another game where it's been necessary to do this to fully understand the scope of everything going on. Square did a MASTERFUL job, especially with Rebirth.
Dude I just noticed that the flashback in remake that expands on the history of the Cetra features a shot with an airship that looks suspiciously reminiscent of the Invincible; Garland’s airship from FFIX. I hesitantly have to raise the question; think there’s a chance that Square ties the world of FFIX to the world of VII? 🤞
Spoilers for kh 1 When you fight cloud in the Colosseum during his 2nd phase he grows out a black wing that kinda resembles like a bat wing, not sure if there is a story on that.
Someone please riddle me this: Am I trippin'? Wasn't Sephiroth's wing on the left side of his body? That would be our right facing him, but his left facing us. It just doesn't look right to me and I've been a fan since '97. I just feel like the wing is on the wrong side and I can't shake that feeling. Have I lost my marbles?
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I love youre passion and persistence; i really did not peep the “cloud wing”
I couldn't help but think of Aerith's dream with Cloud when she says, "There is liking, and there is liking in another context." It reminds me of how I feel about finding your channel...I'm really glad that I found you and your amazing videos
I think you're right about Sephiroth wanting to save everyone, albeit it his own twisted way. I think I've noticed a pattern with the white and black wings. I want to double check though. While the black wing is used for death and destruction, the white wing of Angeal is only used to carry people to safety or where they need to go, or salvation. The common theme is deliverance. But according to the party, the feathers that represent Cloud are yellow, the same as the flowers we are told to follow :)
Thanks for the great video!
Besides his iconic looks and the legendary murder of (...), I never perceived him as the “best villain” because his character had virtually no depth. But I'm getting the feeling more and more that the developers are highly aware of this and are working harder and harder to actually make him the best antagonist. (to me he kind of already is now)
I keep wondering how tragic it would be, for example, if he also considers leaving Shinra after the Rhadore mission, but is convinced to stay by Angeal and his “Soldier Honor”. And later it's Angeal who abandons Shinra and him. That would leave Sephiroth full of regret and anger. "Sorrow. Anger. Regret. Guilt." he knows these feelings so well.
I also continue to suspect that Glenn's death takes place shortly before the Nibelheim mission. Dramaturgically, I think that would be so intense. The last anchor (Glenn) still keeping Sephiroth sane might even be killed in front of his eyes. His fall in Nibelheim would just make so much more sense.
For all that Sephiroth is the "bad guy" I've always felt that his story is one of the most heartbreaking. I've always felt drawn to his side of things. I'm always disappointed in a book/movie when the villain is very one dimensional, which Sephiroth is definitely not. The author Sara Douglass comes to mind for someone who would write characters that were both complex and subtle. No one was just one thing for both the heroes and the villains of her stories.
I've always felt Sephiroth's depth of character was the dev team trying to make up for their regret of making Kefka so one dimensional in VI.
04:35 I could swear Aerith’s theme sneaks in there for a second: for a time during story development he and Aerith were siblings, so thematically I wonder if they could be drawing a parallel between Aerith’s severance from The Cetra on the one hand and Sephiroth’s from humanity on the other. Whether The Cetra on this story’s Planet represent its future or not is one of the central questions I hope part 3 answers clearly and explains thoroughly along with Jenova’s designs on the truth, since they chose to break with the rest of The Cetra in order to remain on this Planet rather than continue The Cetran people’s itineracy and I am wondering if the devs hold that to be something that dooms a Planet.
I was always under the impression in OG FF7 that Sephiroth had grown so powerful that he was controlling Jenova, but with Remake/Rebirth, I'm convinced that Jenova is controlling him, and he's just a puppet to her, no different than the robed figures.
Yup it’s sad because he never had the strong support system like Cloud had to overcome everything. They are a lot alike.
I still kinda hope he is in control because that just makes him much more intereseting. If it can all be pinned on the crazy alien parasite in his mind that's kinda boring if that makes any sense. I so badly want to understand Sephiroth's drive.
10:36 both of them use their nondominant hands to comfort themselves from the flashes. The same place where Sephiroth's wrong sprouts from, the same place Cloud has geostigma, and after the end of Rebirth, the same place Aerith's illusions pop up from.
The on-screen mind blow of realizing the “Cloud is the One Wing…” 😁👍
I feel like this takes on additional context in Advent Children where the implication is that Sephiroth is able to survive because Cloud still has Jenova cells within him,
I 've always felt a deep admiration and awe for Sephiroth for the way it is introduced and presented in OG FFVII.A deep sense of reverence, otherworldliness.Something Godly,mystical,but very dark and unique about him and his aura.But I also had a subconscious empathy for him also.His words at temple of the ancients " Only death awaits you all. But do not fear. For it is through death that a new spirit energy is born. Soon, you will live again as a part of me" justify this interpretation! These words doesn't sound evil. They reveal a Grand Plan or dream of Sephiroth-Jenova leave an open window for discussion about Sephiroth's motives and intentions !!
Quick side note about the Masamune in Final Fantasy. It is the very first Final Fantasy it is a super weapon hidden in the Final Dungeon Chaos Shrine. The most powerful weapon in game. It's existence is almost iconic as any Summon. A superior yet hidden rival to Excalibur the second strongest weapon in game. See the connection? I have no doubt they will have someone forge it for him in the real world but the Blade of Legend shouldn't be made by some guy named "Bob" from Wutai is all I'm sayin.
That said I still hold fast that the Edge of Creation is Sephiroth's Lifestream revelation similar to Tifa's how she kind find her core memories. Only due to Jenova's influence and the lack of trust of those around him his mind/heart is literally a raft floating in the harsh coldness of space watching a warm nebula of stars converge into something beautiful... That detachment and Serenity allows Sephiroth to cut through Soliders, Robots, Buildings and even Flower Girls like Bob Ross painting a sunny afternoon. "And here's a happy little Cloud next to the flower girl... lets add some titanium white😢"
Jokes aside, might have to start playing Ever Crisis after seeing Sephiroth get the Jenova memory spike. Last theory I had relates to why celluar degradation happens to soliders but not to Zack and Cloud. Each Jenova cell while they transfer memories and in some cases appearances to their hosts are actually memory batteries. Hojo being the crap scientist he is thinks this is a powerup but its really a power drain on it's hosts future life energy for a short burst of speed that is not transferring power but giving the source control. Jenova wants to sow war so it's granting it's not batteries the power it is draining from the lifestream. Hojo again thinking he's chained the beast put it between 8 reactors. Which enabled it to call one of it's best batteries to action. That is why Sephiroth wakes up in the lifestream after several years have past.Hojo thinks he is control but he's not.
Why doesn't it work on Zack and Cloud as much? It's not about having friendship or a cheery dispoition cause Roche succumbed. Not about being dark and moody cause it didn't help Angeal or Genesis. It's more that both were willing to accept death with honor. I think that is actually what breifly cures Genesis in the end of Crisis Core by the (Goddess). No future to drain the cells abandon the host like fleas off a drowning rat. Like Sephiroth dropping Kadaj off like discarded toy. Zack knows he's not gonna make it home but he's still gonna try so less of a reason to drain his spirit.
Now my reason for Cloud is just personal wishlist for why it is. Cloud is always suffering from the degradation. It's constantly eating at him every minute of the day. Contact with Zack's Blood after he was gunned down by Shinra passed Zack's memories and skills as Hollander thought those traits would be transferred when he had those cloned eat Zack's hair in Crisis Core (Weird I know but it's all splicing psychic shapshifting Jenova DNA with that hame). Along with that the resolve that even if he didn't make it back to see Aerith he would still try. That is why Cloud's skillset match Zack's and the attraction to Aerith. Now Cloud never gave it a second thought killing Sephiroth after he hurt Tifa in Nibelheim but this is also what set his resistance to maximum. His true self holds himself to a promise to Tifa. An almost Unattainable promise like the one he gave to Aerith. That will not let him lose, even to Sephiroth as an infantryman. Think Captain America "I can do this all day". Kinda seems like a deathwish to an outside observer but that is what kids do. Should I stay or should I go is what the cells are thinking. That will is what Sephiroth wants but never understands where it comes from. That innocence he gave up that Cloud guards with his general abrasive self.
Which is why the Promise actually perks Aerith up at the end of Rebirth. So yeah Aerith's appearance at the end is neither Jenova or a hallucination but her memory from the lifestream seeing her secret weapon/trojan horse off to battle. A little kid with an impossible dream and a promise to keep...with a big ass sword and super solider strength following after the fool who hurt his little sister.
Sephiroth is gonna psyche him out of that of course along with the party. But so that is how the story can happen.
The Geostigma virus in Advent Children is something else altogether for another theory. These are just fun to think up.
Is it me or the edge of creation hid Jenova’s monster form in the purple multi colored area? 5:00 mark
I'm just pissed this isn't rebirth dlc 😂 I hope part 3 will consist of a ton of dlc. An episode for Vincent, cid, the turks, sephiroth etc...
Sephiroth's dream, the ending of other dream worlds, and the creation of one imortal world in his own mind, is THE final... fantasy... BOOM!!
Sephiroth wants to perform the infinite tsukuyomi.
15 seconds in instant sub 👏
since Rufus killed Glenn, did he make the doggy into Darkstar?
My new resolution theory. Its like how dr strange observed and searched for all the outcomes to find the one where they beat thanos. Its known that 7 seconds till the end, what choice or outcome will cloud chose that he has observed to make come into reality. All the choices from the outcomes of the past choices that lead to new world futures. Which future did he observe that he wants to make a reality? Who knows.
Inspiring thoughts as always. Thank you.
Great channel man! Love your passion and insight into FF7. I love putting all this stuff together too and holy shit if Square didn't put together some epic shit together for everybody to process and appreciate.
P.S. I love how you break down all this stuff frame by frame. I've never seen another game where it's been necessary to do this to fully understand the scope of everything going on. Square did a MASTERFUL job, especially with Rebirth.
I hope they make a remake on first soldier. I mean it could happen, because square is not gonna stop producing final fantasy vii.
Yea a tripleA first soldier title would be something I can see happening. Although a hefty sized DLC for remake would be enough, I think
Definitely thought-provoking.
Dude I just noticed that the flashback in remake that expands on the history of the Cetra features a shot with an airship that looks suspiciously reminiscent of the Invincible; Garland’s airship from FFIX. I hesitantly have to raise the question; think there’s a chance that Square ties the world of FFIX to the world of VII? 🤞
Spoilers for kh 1
When you fight cloud in the Colosseum during his 2nd phase he grows out a black wing that kinda resembles like a bat wing, not sure if there is a story on that.
Nah think ur wrong
Someone please riddle me this: Am I trippin'? Wasn't Sephiroth's wing on the left side of his body? That would be our right facing him, but his left facing us. It just doesn't look right to me and I've been a fan since '97. I just feel like the wing is on the wrong side and I can't shake that feeling. Have I lost my marbles?
Nah, his wing has always been on the right-hand side. While weilding masamune with his left hand
@@imyoursuperbeast8220 I guess I'm just confused. But it's really been bugging me and I was wondering if if was bugging anyone else.