Keith Van Horn: Were the Expectations TOO HIGH? Or was this #2 overall pick a SCAPEGOAT? | FPP
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- He is arguably the greatest player in Utah Utes history. A four year starter, who as a freshman was one of the best players in the nation, he had some great years alongside Andre Miller and Michael Doleac as Utah had some success. Then when his 4 years were up, he was not only an NBA prospect, there was even chatter of him going #1, and he may have had it not been for a Wake Forest Power Forward named Tim Duncan going #1 overall to the San Antonio Spurs in the 1997 NBA Draft. But Keith Van Horn went #2 to the New Jersey Nets, where his ability to shoot from range yet still operate in the post and even rebound made him seem like a future star, as he would even earn comparisons to Larry Bird, yet more so due to their physical similarities. Van Horn’s first few years in New Jersey were great, playing alongside Stephon Marbury on some bad Nets teams, but as New Jersey started adding guys like Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin, the former #2 overall pick became more of a role player. His time in New jersey ended badly after being ripped by his own teammates past and present. His next few years would be spent bouncing around the league; spending time with the Allen Iverson led Philadelphia 76ers, the New York Knicks, and the Milwaukee Bucks, before ending his career with Dallas at the age of 30. Keith Van Horn was an exceptional player, but once he got to the NBA, you saw that everyone was an exceptional player, and Van Horn’s skill and physical closed significantly, He may not have been the type of player you want a Top 2 pick to be, but he was a consistent offensive player for nearly a decade with a game that was more suited for the Modern NBA; and he gets a bad wrap, as he was often played for his team’s lack of success; but Keith Van Horn at the very least is an NCAA Legend, and had an NBA Career to be proud of.
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This era would’ve appreciated him so much more
very true but ... which only proves how zero defence is played in this era ...
Real basketball fans knew he was good, it's just that the competition of that Era made him look average 🤷♂️
In the 2020's, KVH would be a perennial All Star
@@rpra6435I was thinking the very same thing.
Facts Keith van horn would be a star if he played today
Keith Van Horn was so slept on, NBA JAM 99 cover athlete
Still have it til this day on n64 😂
I knew Van Horn would show up eventually. He had all the tools to excel in the modern game, and would have no issues being 20+ PPG scorer today. Yet he still proved himself to be great in his early years with the Nets and his one year as a running mate of Allen Iverson in Philadelphia. Given the era that he played in, he carved out a more than respectable career.
you are very true but ... as i answered to other post here - i will answer here the same - this only proves how zero defence is player in modern nba
Watching clips from the early 2000s makes me feel so old, the grainy ass footage looks more like it's from the 60s or 70s by todays standards.
The grainy ass footage is because it's been streamed a million times. Streaming is like VHS and Tapes you listen to music on. The quality gets shittier every play.
Can you imagine averaging 16 and 7 in the NBA over 10 seasons,and making tens of millions of dollars, and having people critiquing your career? Ludicrous
He was the #2 pick and retired with 0 all-star,all-nba selections. This doesn't mean he wasn't 10 times better player than Steve Kerr or Robert Horry.
@@pharkasj a lot of dudes with 0 ppg on their resumé critiquing journeymen NBA players with 20 ppg seasons on theirs and TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EARNED. it's wild tbh😎
can you imagine being triggered by the first amendment. Freedom of speech
That’s wHat I was saying. He was pretty solid. Definitely not a failure. He was fairly clutch in playoffs also.
@@wraynephew6838 these bots are wild
Wow. I never realized his father passed away at a young age for both him and his father . I can really see some of his motivation for retiring so young . Time with his kids and family . He's thinking " Well I'll have 30 years with my kids, maybe more . " Smart man . Very cool.
He’s lucky to have the option. I’d take it
Van Horn was BALLIN at Utah and unfortunately his injuries was playin hatin cuz he was a nightmare wit the long socks(classic)
Yes
I miss my old school Jersey Nets 💯
He was my neighbor and I played with him in the street all in diamond bar. I remember the games would end so fast coz he can't miss and also like he would just back his opponents down and jumped backwards withouth watching the rims and dunk on the guy guarding him. He also broke the rims in the nearby courts. When I go to the park and the rims are gone, yup that was Keith.
😂😂😂😂😂 you’re telling such a lie that it’s not even funny
Brahmas lol
Underrated guy
Respect from Salt Lake City Utah! KVH along with Andre Miller, Hanno Mottola, Michael Doleac, Josh Grant, The Johnson Brothers along with Majerus had a great run during the 90's. I remember going to watch Van Horn as a Senior play Tim Duncan and Wake Forest a couple days before New year's Eve. I remember it was packed a hard ticket to get but since my cousin worked at the U he got tickets. Duncan dominated the Utes! Crazy thing is the Utes go to the championship game the year after Van Horn graduated
Those utes teams put the Utes on the map. They recruited at our high school- I was in high school at the time- and we had a lot of students wearing Utes merch in the hallways, two states away in Oregon, mid to late nineties.
Hanno Mottola's name is pronounced mo-TOY-a, not MET-oh-lah.
And, Mike Doleac is pronounced DAY-Lee-ack, not DOH-Lee-Ack. Jon Brockman's name is pronounced BRECK-man, not BROCK-man. German names.
One of my favorite teams of the 90s. Along with FL
Yeah, I couldn’t get tickets to that Wake game. Went to many others that year. Great memories.
I mean.. he was a 16-20PPG 5-7RPG player.. carried a team to the final being the second best player of that team, and always efficient and quite athletic! What do you mean “were expectations too high?” I mean other than winning that ring, what more could he do? 😅😅 Keith Van Horn was a BIG name for sure in the NBA
I always believed, if Utah Keith Van Horn would have stayed the same player (or if teams would have allowed his game to stay the same) he would have been an even better player than he ended up being. His ability to put the ball on the floor, shoot and front court flexibility was very underrated. Utah Keith was NASTY!!! (S/O to Dre Miller!) Keith could have played the 3 next to DC in Philly and eventually slid to the 4 & just how funny life is, he STILL ended up playing in Philly 😂. Great video
this is the essence of your channel!!!! Awesome!
Have you done Andre Miller yet? He’s another Utah great that had a solid career
Not yet. I been asking for one on him as well
He had a 40 inch plus vert and elite 10 yard time. You said, "his lack of athleticism". I watched him play, he was more than just athletic. Were you even born when he was playing?
I really liked him when he was with the Nets. I thought he was a great player!
Can’t wait to watch this one. Is there ever chance that on your next football video, you can do one on a defensive player? Darren Woodson, Roy Williams, Bob Sanders, Ray Buchanan, Shawne Merriman etc.
Those are great names. Another guy that should be mentioned that hasn't been in the hof yet is Rodney Harrison
Aeneas Williams 😎
Steve Atwater ~Ed Mccaferery
I'll always remember that regular season game he played vs. T Duncan and Wake Forest...first play, tip in dunk by Van Horn and Clark Kellogg announcing goes "Van Horn showing some of that 40" vertical".... at 6'9"!!! I was a fan after that...
He had a nice game but injuries just cut his career short. 🏀
Love this channel man glad I found this you are doing an amazing job with these stories please keep them coming
Andre Miller in the near future please and thank you!
Keith was so nice at Utah
Can you do a video on Jeff malone and or Terry Cummings
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
I vividly remember Van Horn's last trade as being an amazing way to make a few million bucks. He was coaxed out of retirement just to even out the money on a trade. Van Horn didn't do anything but pass a physical and collect checks while he sat at home.
Aaron McKie "got" to do that, in a similar sign-and-trade with the Lakers, because I believe, their "salary slot amount" was a good fit. BUT, Van Horn and McKie were both great guys too, who were well-liked by everybody. Even though it doesn't happen often, it's living proof, that being likable and a good teammate CAN pay off! I'm a Sonics and Blazers fan, born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up, Japanese-American and male (this shows where, when and HOW I grew up). Joe Kleine is another beneficiary of that: He got signed to balance the Jermaine O'Neal for Dale Davis trade. He got immediately waived by Indiana, but he pocketed $1 million for signing on the dotted line, and "being a good teammate" throughout his career. I wonder how many players cost themselves those kinds of opportunities, because they were corrosive jerks during their careers.
@@unappealingundesirable2826Fantastic comment
Thanks for doing one on Keith Van Horn. 👍👍
I was waiting for this one 💯
He was pretty solid in New Jersey. I thought he woulda did more tho
I thought he had game, he woulda no doubt thrived in this era more.
Excellent video, another one
he was nice, first few bigs that can shoot 3’s and solid rebounder, way ahead of his time of stretch bigs
I remember when he played for Utah before he was drafted by the New Jersey Nets. He would’ve dominate the league if he had developed his game and played a lot longer. He was very talented, but he was inconsistent in the NBA. He didn’t play the same way as he did at Utah.🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀
I loved Keith Van Horne✅💯
Man, I love your choices for players to cover. Keep up the great work!
Keith Van Horn never knew how good he was. He has the tools but wasn’t really aggressive enough.
I loved KVH on the Mavs. He was a perfect addition, just wish he stayed healthy or even got to the team way earlier.
His rookie season or second season with the Nets, he was a problem. Him and Jayson were beasting for NJ.
Van Horn is from an era of college basketball that I miss...back when good players actually stayed to improve their game..im sure KVH could have left as a freshmen and been drafted, yet he developed his game..kids had different mentalities back then..now kids just want to become rich instantly without being ready
He played for my home team and we loved him for it.
To me Keith Van Horn was much like Big Dog Robinson and Kenyon Martin. Great players for college basketball but because of their size they would be pigeonholed as power forwards that were "tweeners" that were not big enough to be real "big men" of that time, but not fluid enough on offense to play small forward. I saw them college and knew that would be the case with all of them. I don't know what else them NBA scouts thought they was gonna be. Sean May and DuJuan Blair was the lesser versions of the same kind of player. But Van Horn and Robinson were the best of these players and had good careers.
Hellllll of a comment. Dejuan Blair was a hell of a player. There would be spurts during games that he would dominate, but then there would extended stretches of play that he was ineffective.
Yes, he would have benefitted from the spacing today.
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He was a critical piece of that Mavs team when they needed somebody. He played better when he didn't have the pressure to carry.
Enjoyed watching him in NJ
He was good...Every one is not a hall of famer
Talk about being ahead of your time.
If Van Horn played today, he'd be elite.
The pale rider dude was cold
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Diamond Bar representing!! Majerus was a top tier coach too.
I have a NBA on NBC game from 1999 against the Pacers where Van Horn is automatic offense in the half court, but the Nets lost the game at the buzzer on a wild Mark Jackson floater
This guy in today’s nba setup would have killed.
Thank you 😊
You took my advice, good job
He’s the first person that comes to mind everytime I go to Can Horn in Red dead redemption 2
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He had a lot of talent but i don’t think he had the heart to play watching him back then i don’t even think he liked playing really it was just a job that paid really well.
He was Detlef Schrempf 2.0. Higher ceiling. But not the longevity or consistency.
Good comparison but I thought Det was so much tougher than KVH.
@lilpenny1982 agree. Detlef was damn good.
@bonesjackson81 Det was a winner too. Everywhere he went, his team made the playoffs
@bonesjackson81 Det would make my Top 5 all time best European players ever
@lilpenny1982 and probably most important. Sonics fan here so yeah I love some Detlef. He was clockwork. 15, 6 and 4 every night. Often much more.
I like how Derrick Coleman keeps popping up in the still images lol
Keith was no scrub. Very talented player
He was such a great player.. some players actually start at their peak. He was one. While others peak midways in their career and some at the end of their career... theres no written rule to when youre supposed to peak and how long your peak is supposed to last. Vince carter is another good example of a player starting at his peak. However carters peak last for many seasons unlike keith who had a lot shorter peak period.
Such an interesting career
He was better than I remember in the NBA. I remember him at Utah.
Van horn played he’s heart out.
Nets fan. Not sure if it was confidence or complacency, but he was maddeningly inconsistent.
can we do Bobby Phills next
Good player💪
The Nets with Van Horn were great to watch, especially once Jason Kidd arrived. But your video is correct: Van Horn was absolutely scapegoated after the Lakers' NBA final by athletic-but-average talent Kenyon Martin (23% 3Pt and 62% FT for career) and Kidd (who never stood up to bullies). In Philly, Iverson, Eric Snow and Aaron McKie also regularly refused to get him involved -- especially if Van Horn started off hot. They did not want him thriving on their team. They did the same thing to Glenn Robinson. I lived in Philly during many of Iverson's years. Standing in line at my neighborhood's corner bodega, I once heard a black grandma call him selfish. "He won't share the ball," she said dismissively. Truth.
Bottomline: Van Horn was a talented but sensitive guy. Fun and decent guys on the Nets like Jason Williams, Kendall Gill and Kerry Kittles brought out the best in him. But he could not endure the cold ghetto dudes. (You need thick skin to be a successful white guy in the NBA. Van Horn would go into a shell...) So he quit.
Dude lol
If you wore long tube sox in the 90s we called you van horn. He was a beast
His moves were so smooth. Played like a brotha.
He’s an awesome player. He was one hell of a college player. I still remember watching him and the Nets playing in the finals many, many years ago. I think being drafted number two raised many people’s expectations of him coming into the league. So in that regard, perhaps he was a bit disappointing. If it weren’t for his high draft pick and his injuries, I think most would say he had a very successful career as a basketball player, in both college and the NBA.
Van horn was always on my NBA live team
8:17 you're wrong for using that picture of tim thomas 😂
That whole Nets team had talent that didn't quite perform to the level of that talent. You could do videos on Kerry Kittles and Kendall Gill.
Do Michael Beasley.
No
I remember him as a great leaper.
OG kevin love
I think it hurt Van Horne's career when Jason Williams career ended with a terrible knee injury. He was Van Horne's biggest supporter on the team, constantly 'bigging' him up on the court and in the press. Van Horne seemed to lose confidence in himself afterwards.
Andre Miller next bro
Keith was perfect for today's game, could've had a far better career, but injuries really limited him. I think the physicality at both forward spots was too much for him to withstand. He was a f fluid mover being moved against his will a lot, and his body couldn't stand up to it AND allow him to really play his full game freely.
I remember him knocking down 3s like it was nothing in 2k3
Dude was a killer in college. I remember super player, but I think the pressure of the number one number to pick first round yada yada yada. With with a few exceptions, most of the top players in the NBA don’t turn out to be the top 10/first round picks.
KVH was a beast in college.. had an avg NBA career … nothing wrong wit dat
He would be great in the NBA today
i fully agree (NBA today = zero defence - guys like him would be great ...)
I remember buying the NBA Live game his rookie year for PlayStation 1, and I would always choose the Nets and ball out with Van Horn and he would average like 40ppg, lol.
Coach Byron Scott complained that he would be a top 5 player if he actually cared about getting better and not coast on his God given athletic ability. People said he was letting down his teammates. Pretty much the opposite of this video's narrative
He would have been great in today's NBA game!
Keith Van Horn was a solid player. They just hate that he had long socks on.
I like Keith Van Horn him and Jason Williams are my NBA Eminem‘s
Pushin P
When they said he had a 44 inch vertical leap...I knew the media pundits were on some high expectation shit...They were just looking for the Next Larry Bird!!
My Top 10 favorite white basketball players of all time. Don't forget he graced video game covers as well. 😎
He'd be a 20ppg today on a good team with a pg and a good power forward allowing him ine one matchups and pick and pop shots. Also bigs play soft today
He should have came out earlier in the draft, I feel guys like him who play well their freshman year are better suited heading to the pros early. His game was good but he could have benefited from playing in the NBA sooner my opinion
KVH and Duncan man what a battle I still believe KVH should of won rookie of the year over Duncan yeah Duncan had a better career but I challenge you guys to watch some games from that rookie year KVH was something different he would be the GOAT in todays no contact era
I liked that nets team with van horn but i always thought keith should've played 3.
I'm surprised by how low his FG%s were. I guess I'd assumed he more of a closer to 50% type of guy.
He was good
Ron Seikaly!
he would've been perfect for today's game