I've yet to watch this, but I just wanted to right away express my gratitude to your team for taking the time to review normal, every day cars that average joes can hope to one day purchase. Although channels that review fancy cars are fun at times, ultimately getting to know cars that are within my price range is worth it's weight in gold and I appreciate in particular your channel's professionalism, integrity and objectivity as you do this.
@@13loodLust Well its about the same price as the average new car purchased in the US in its top trim. So I think for the average joe LaResistance was referring to, it works.
@@13loodLust I'd consider it used over new for sure. I too would not be able to afford this new if I want to remain fiscally disciplined. Buying a car new is almost never a smart move financially.
What's more is that they do a good job of considering a car for what it is. Some other people that tend to focus on a lot of high-end stuff do review 'regular' cars too, but they look at them through the jaded lens of cars costing several times more.
Snort. In this case he is quite right, because most of the interior is really good, so the piano black, especially around the HVAC controls, really stands out and looks bad.
I was choosing between the big 3: Camry, Accord, Sonata. Before I go further, I’d classify myself as an average driver. I never floor my accelerator, always drive +\-5 of the speed limit, and occasionally drive long trips home from college. After trying those 3, I picked the sonata. I actually like the looks (shocker), but more importantly you get so much more for the money. The car basically drives itself when you turn on lane following and cruise control and it worked way better than the Honda’s or Toyota’s systems. It makes trips very easy. As for the drive trains, I am not a refined enough driver to care all that much or notice for that matter. The final selling point was the 100k mile warranty. I’ve had it for about 8 months now and I still love it as much as the day I bought it.
Please be careful with the cruise control. The research shows the better it works, the more dangerous it is. Learn to use the steering wheel controls so you don't look at the screen.
FYI, my non-daily driver is a 2013 Santa Fe Sport which I bought new in 2012. I used the warrantee three times; once at 36,000ish miles to replace a faulty fuel pump (known issue, but never recalled), once at about 97,000 miles to replace the transmission fluid temperature sensor (I was kinda disappointed it wasn’t the whole transmission... Woulda been nice to get a brand new one right before the warrantee expired, but fortunately it’s working fine), and finally at 102,000 miles to replace the engine block (technically a recall, but they called it a warrantee repair). I just keep everything maintained and everything else has been fine. I had a Honda Civic before this for she met an untimely death at 72,000 miles and while it never left me stranded I had endless problems with electric window motors, electric door locks, the trunk opening randomly on its own, the AC going out. Despite the three repairs, I consider the Hyundai to have been a superior ownership experience. I practically lived in the dealership with that Honda, all for minor stupid things (never the same thing twice so I couldn’t claim lemon law). Of course, my daily is now an Accord, so we’ll soon see if it treats me any better this time. Anyway, enjoy the Sonata, take good care of it, I hope it takes good care of you.
@@jaanfo3874 I've found all car manufacturers are good with the standard warranty. The issue comes with special ones like "California emissions warranty" or extended warranty from lawsuits, etc. The dealer will try to worm their way out of these because they can charge you more than they get from corporate for the warranty work.
@@jaanfo3874 I used to work as a Hyundai technician and I can guarantee you that the transmission fluid temp sensor is a known issue as well. I got so good at those from doing one every other week. Hyundai is pretty good about recalling issues which is good but they also seem to continue to have the same issues year after year despite them being known problems.
The Big Three for years have been Camry, Accord and Altima/Fusion. Sonata has never been a part of that conversation. Not even close. In fact, Sonata is even perennially behind Malibu in terms of Yearly sales figures. So, at best you can say Sonata brings up the rear of the Big Six .
I’ve owned my Sonata 1.6T Limited for about six months now. Absolutely love this vehicle !!!! I spend time in it everyday and drive a mix of 2 lane country back roads and interstate driving. At no point have I experienced any bad behavior from the transmission or engine. The shifts are smooth and responsive and it always finds the right gear. I’m aggressive on the backroads which includes several long starlight’s and curves and hills and it never stumbles or hesitates during shifting. Not sure why you had any transmission sloppiness. I’ve owned several Hyundai vehicles over the years and can say for certain that this is the best one yet. They finally got the suspension and steering right and it’s a joy to drive. I have people stop me to ask what it is quite often. They love the styling as much as me. Even the front end....which I think is well done.....even if a fish is referenced...lol.
I own a 2020 limited 1.6T also and i love it just turned over 35000 they only mod i have done is a drop in k&n filter which i recommend it has improved the mid to top end alittle bit. Oh and i just scored a set of voloster N wheels omg this thing handles on rails now.
@Richard Favreau Honestly that rear legroom stat is interesting and quite shocking. I bet the Sonata has a much bigger trunk. I was only teasing about your comment bc it was a comvo on exhausts and you mentioned rear legroom.
I was a sales manager for a Hyundai dealership. The nice thing is that $36K usually drops to $31K if you live in a competitive market. Invoice pricing less rebates is usually massive. If you go to buy one, ask to see the invoice. Beforehand, go online and see what the rebate amount is for your particular model and trim level. Old school dealers hate to show you this info and will try and hold what they can. They may give you the rebate, but they keep the pricing at MSRP. That’s why you need to see the invoice which is what the dealer pays for the car. At invoice less rebate, they still get holdback which is usually a few percentage points. Also, if they arrange financing, they get a small finance flat which is also a max of a couple percentage points. It’s not a ton of money, but it’s a volume business. They’ll live. A couple exceptions: if you take the low APR option, often times you give up the rebate. This isn’t the dealer playing games, but what Hyundai Motor Finance dictates. Also, if you have fair to bad credit, there is often times a large fee the lender charges for approving the loan. So, the dealer may still be giving you invoice pricing and all of the rebates, but they’ll minus out that lender fee. In summary, a good dealer will disclose all of this info and make sure you understand everything. I worked for a very honest dealership that did this for customers and it created an awesome experience for them. There are good dealers out there so shop around until you find one. And if you have questions or need advice before you visit the dealership, feel free to message me.
Appreciate it - I went with a Subaru instead of a Hyundai recently, but I remember our local Hyundai being the best experience I had transparency and customer experience-wise by a few country miles. Little things like this really make a difference for new(er) shoppers like myself (I just got too damn good a deal on a WRX to hop on an Elantra GT N Line sorry!).
Haha that reminds me of an intersection I pass by often. Its near the bottom of a long hill country road where the speed limit is 55 and the intersecting road is at about a 130 degree angle (from the side coming down the hill). Its also not a stop sign/traffic light so people always come around it wayy too fast. Im guilty of it myself! So you can just see hundreds of deep overlapping heavy right tire marks of the hundreds of cars trying to make the turn at 35 mph instead of a safe 15 or 20 max.
I drove the last gen Sonata as a loaner vehicle from a body shop. I thought it was pretty good, very spacious and comfortable. It was changing my mind about Hyundai until I read all the horror stories of all the catastrophic engine failures and catching fire. Look it up on car complaints
Wifey and I were tempted to pick up a 2020 Sonata last spring but it’s hard for me to buy any car in its first year either when new or after a major refresh. Ended up getting one of the last 2019s, in SEL trim for a little more than $23k out the door after discounts. The 2.4L and 6 speed auto is perfect as a commuter and daily driver.
@@travisp11 Oh, I understand! I thought you bought a used 2019 recently. I bought an 2019 SE in May with 7k miles for 18k. I didn't get the new exterior and interior, but I consider Hyundais to be very reliable in my personal experience.
Ibrahim Vazirabad Cool! Gotcha! We have been very happy with it. I just bought a 2020 Kona AWD SEL Plus in March of 2020 and that has also been a great little vehicle.
I'm leasing a 2020 Hyundai Elantra as a daily driver. My 4runners were costing me a fortune on maintenance and gas. Whenever you use AWD daily, you need to get those oils changed, and there's a whole protocol to keep it running smooth. I just parked them booth and leased an Elantra as a daily beater. I freaking love it. I used to Laugh at them. But really, their CVT and little engines can haul ass. As funny as this may sound but when you engage, "sport" mode, the exhaust opens up, response becomes linear, steering tightens and it makes merging on to highway or zipping around town a breeze. I was able to get it with a sun roof, all the safety features, key less entry, with push button start, blind spot monitoring, break assist when it senses you to close to another vehicle, back up camera. No leather, no power seats. No navigation, but does have blue tooth, satilie and android auto for under 19k during peak Pandemic time! I walked in with little more than a drivers license. And walked out with the car and payments less than $290 for 36 months with 18k a year.
@@f181234 By modern I don't mean the latest. I believe he switched over to Hyundai Group years ago. My Elantra dash looks like it's been lifted from an Audi...
Look at reviews that compare different direct-injection designs. All cars will have blow-by but that doesn't necessarily mean it will end up on the valves. The past couple years manufacturers have been redesigning direct injection, without having to add port injection, to deal with gunk buildup on valves.
Limited Trim can be had for $30,100 with Costco discount. I know because I bought one last week. There is a Carbon Fiber cover for the admittedly hideous Gloss Plastic on the shifter buttons. I already ordered mine.
are you talking about this? (amazon link to what i assume is the shift cover in carbon fiber styling: www.amazon.com/Bishop-Tate-Styling-Carbon-Hyundai/dp/B0828Q8T2P/ref=sr_1_19_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=2020+sonata+gear+shift+cover&qid=1595265484&replacementKeywords=gear+shift+cover&sr=8-19-spons&vehicle=2020-3-21------------&vehicleName=2020+Hyundai+Sonata&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEySEtDM0dXNlFMVkRaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDI4NTgxM0hFS05HVDZPWlJKTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTg3MTkzVkdUWElPVkVMMVVTJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
Just bought a hybrid Blue trim model last week, the one that's rated for 54mpg on the highway, and I'm very pleased so far. It is extremely comfortable and quiet, and as Geese says, the powertrain transitions are utterly seemless; if it wasn't for the display screen, I'd rarely ever know if the engine was on (full-throttle situations obviously excepted). What I'm most amazed by is the frequency with which the engine will turn off at highway speeds. The system seems to do a great job at using the electric motor and battery to maintain momentum once you're up to speed, and so I'll find myself cruising along at 65-75mph with the engine off; because of that, my highway drives have been sometimes exceeding 60mpg (according to the trip computer, at least), which seems crazy for such a big car. The whole thing just feels very refined, and I'm looking forward to years and years of owning this car.
Thanks for the in-depth review, most appreciated. I just purchased the 2020 Sonata, this will be my fourth one. I just bought the Preferred model and I am just waiting for it to arrive. I found the new 2.5 litre engine quite peppy on the demo I drove and you are right, this is a highway cruiser. I have been quite satisfied with all of them and they only seem to get more refined when I trade in every few years. I always buy a blue one for some reason. :) I’m retired now and look forward to some nice trips in my new car. Thanks from Mississauga Ontario.
Awesomeness, been waiting for this one. I'm excited to see what the German guy can pull off with the N-line edition. Transmission tuning and putting the power down will need to be absolutely fixed.
I have 2013 Limited Sonata which I have paid off for awhile now. I went to the dealer late last year to look at the new model Sonata Limited and I gotta say, from looking at the pictures I wasn't the biggest fan of the grill but in person, it grew on me. Got in the car, salesman sat in the back behind me as my friend was in the passenger seat. I knew some of the features but I let the salesman talk about some of the other things I wasn't aware of. I was ready to take it for a spin and I asked him where the parking break was, I'm used to using my left foot to release it. He says to look next to the traction control button and I'm getting lost and I finally found it. The ride was smooth and quiet, love the Bose audio system in it as well. Heads up display was wonderful as I could see my speed up on the windshield. For how well the room is in the car, everyone has a different body type. I'm 6'2, 270 and I have more of that football linebacker build. Usually where my issues come into play is the height. Thankfully no issues with that. Seat supported my body well, I didn't feel like I would have issues sitting in that seat for hours driving. Overall, the amount of features in this Limited trim, the room in the car, the Bose audio, ambient lighting....the infotainment, I was surprised in person how well it all came together inside. My friend who is not even a car guy by any means said he was amazed with everything in it and I've never heard him say anything about cars before. My two colors of choice are the Portofino grey and Stormy Sea. After I make my decision I'll be putting 25% tints on the side and back windows. Makes it cooler in the summer and gives it a nicer look as well.
I have to admit, I found this channel when researching the 2015 Sonata (which I did purchase, 2.0T for those wondering) and I've become a bit of a Hyundai fanboy. I've been looking at the 2020 with rose colored lenses because of the amount of stuff you get and the improvements made over a relatively short time. I mention all this because I want to express my appreciation for SavageGeese on how he critiques these cars. Almost all other reviewers rightly praise the Sonata for all the tech, and improvements, and value, etc etc etc and they all say the same things over and over. In this channel, there's no fear for calling out what was done right, what could be improved, and what is bad, and there isn't a car that's been reviewed here that hasn't been given it's due praise as well as pointing out what's terrible. Not only did this channel channel help me critique the car I was purchasing, but it also helped me critique myself in what I value and how much I was influenced by "industry assumptions" on what is good and what is bad.
He is 100 percent right about the traction control system. Actually he was being nice. I have owned a Kia or a Hyuandai for the past 8 years and that stupid system has almost killed me multiple times where I am pulling into oncoming traffic and it will basically totally kill the engine for no fucking reason. It's terrifying. It's to the point now that I turn on traction control when having to pull onto a busy road. Cars owned 2011 Kia Optima 2019 Hyundia elentra GT turbo
Great video as always really enjoy your reviews. I've been keeping my eye on this car for awhile. Went to the auto show in my city and spent a lot of time checking this car out. I went ahead and bought one in the SEL trim with the 2.5l got a pretty good deal on it maybe because of all the covid stuff. Initially I thought the transmission was really smooth but every now and then it shifts a little hard. Really the only other complaint I have is when shifting between park, drive and reverse it's just a little too slow and if you press the button too fast it doesn't always register that it was pressed. My favorite part of this car are the standard safety features that make everyday driving so much better.
I own a 2016 Sonata GL 2.4L and it is a beast and NO, it does not look cheap! It is fully functional and dependable! At 100,000km it does not even need alignment yet!
If Toyota could make interiors and exteriors like Hyundai/Kia, they would be the best all around cars out there. The quality and feel of these cars is impressive at that price point!
While you might get stressed with "work' I want all involved with the production of these videos, your efforts do not go unnoticed. For vehicle reviews, hands down, yours is the most comprehensive. Stay calm, stay safe, and carry on. -Johnny-
WILSON not really... if you talk to any journalists they know the firms that deal out these cars to the journalists have to take care of the cars after the journalists are done with them
CLS63AMG WAGON tires and brakes, maybe. The transmission is supposed to last the lifetime of the vehicle. What could journalists possibly be doing that abuses the transmission enough to break it in less than 20k miles?
And to be fair, this is coming from some who often drives a 2018 Acura TLX 4 banger. It has a strange transmission: dual clutch with a torque converter, which does little to smooth out the jerky transmission. Compared to that, Sonata Limited was exceptionally smooth, and shifts weren't perceptible until I was close to redline
I love that dashboard design. It’s a nice looking car. Good alternative if you’re bored of all the German exec saloons. Shame we aren’t getting this in the UK.
HellHog Saloons aren’t as popular as they once were. All about SUVs now or small hatchbacks 😫😫 If this was a liftback it might be available in more markets.
Mitchell Steindler Personally as someone who buys their cars instead of leasing them (and therefore hangs onto them for longer) I’d rather buy a highly spec’d reliable far eastern offering that I know won’t throw up error messages every few months, than a low spec’d (due to budget limitations) German car which comes with more prestige but endless issues. Yes they’re better to drive, but come on, most of us sit in traffic anyway. 0-60 times don’t matter in the real world, nor does cornering. But each to their own eh. I’ve had German cars. Fun for a while until warning lights start popping up 😆😆 No-ones buying Genesis’ anymore are they? Aren’t they in trouble? German cars are kinda surgical and generic nowadays, at least the Koreans and Japanese try to add a bit of flair or whatever you wanna call it.
I don't know if you'll ever see this, but I appreciate all the effort you put in while reviewing these cars. These days you see other dumb-ified youtube car channels like supercarblondie, straightpipes, redlinereview where they literally just spit out the manufacturer highlighted bullet points at the camera without ever going into the in depth details, but your content is a breath of fresh air.
This is my third sonata (2011,2017 & 2020) this is by far the most refined ride out of all of them. Hyundai has found a way to make the ride more complient and composed without sacrificing sportiness. While the engine is not as powerful as my old 2.0T, it is sufficient for every day driving. The tech package in my Limited model is worth the price of admission and would have cost hundreds more in other models. I've only had it for two months, but I have a smile on my face every time I take a trip. Well done Hyundai!
Savage Geese....appreciate you man. You're one of the very few out there in UA-cam land that I put my trust in your channel. Your words have weight and are considered while I make my next vehicle selection.
I feel like Koreans are doing sedans better than Japanese nowadays but it’s just unfortunate timing as sedans are dying in the US and people eat up SUVs
Hyundai still has identity issues. They try to be like everyone else. Mercedes,they try to be more European, then go back to being conservative. Hiring a former VW executive was smart for making it's cars look better.
@@jeffreyfurtado3681 I mean, that's not really a bad thing since Germans tend to build very luxurious cars and Hyundai is attempting to offer some of that class but for a lower price and better value.
You present a unique mix of in-depth technical and subjective analysis in all your car reviews. This mix sets your reviews above the rest on UA-cam. Keep up the great work!
@@Anonymous-ji4sb That was an issue with engine knock. Hyundai recently extended your warranty and replaces your engine for free. Mistakes happen, and Hyundai covered their customers and did the work for free.
G H if there fixing it what’s the issue ? My 2006 went to 220k before I crashed it. My 2014 azera is at 60k with absolutely nothing but standard maintenance. And I don’t expect a damn thing till it’s on the other side of 120k .
G H the 10 year warranties are pretty solid . Volkswagen makes cars that last like 8 years if that. They only offer a 5 year warranty should say something . Of course I’m biased bc I drive Hyundai but who has a better warrenty
moloono1 partially yes, but the fact that the lawsuit made it so you recover a portion of the difference between sale price and purchase price made it that more enticing. It was awful, “sputtering” is the term for it.
Wow, they've come a long way. I worked at a Hyundai dealership in the late 80's. The cars used to come in and you could look up at the cars on the upper deck of the car carrier and the entire underside of the cars would be rusted from stem to stern. Not just surface rust either, sometimes it was rusted right through the floor pans. They were mechanically sound, though. They came off the boat with only 2 quarts of oil in the engine. Our prep facility was 2 miles from the dealership. I would sometimes have to drive the cars over there for detailing. I would beat the absolute shit out of them in that 2 miles. Redline clutch drops, no lift shifts at 7,500 rpm, reverse burnouts/doughnuts with the wheel at full lock. All of this with only 2 quarts of oil in the crank and they all took it like champs. Ahh, the good 'ol days.
I own a 2007 Sonata limited that I purchased new as a dealer demo, and it's been a great, dependable ride for over 13 years. I really like the naturally aspirated 6 cylinder, and wish that they still offered one.
I haven't driven nor sat in the new Sonata but I do own a 2015 2.0T and the main thing is that it's reliable, good on gas, has more than enough power and is loaded with creature comforts. I drove it from the east to west coast last year and not once did anything fail. I do agree that the 6sp trans feels like a DCT, especially when accelerating from a stop light. It looks like they've solved the NVH issues as mine could use more road noise suppression. Overall, Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are doing a great job in listening to their customers and constantly making improvements. I'm interested in how the Sonata N-Line performs, given the FWD drivetrain !
I recently got the base model with the 2.5 and I agree that the drivetrain could be improved. Other than that when cross-shopping with an Accord, it blew it out of the water in terms of standard features and ride quality. Hopefully the transmission won’t blow up like it did at 60k miles with the 03 Acura TL I eventually replaced with the Sonata.
I have a 2013 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec with their first in-house 8 speed auto. It has the same problems that this car has, and he's absolutely right: their transmission isn't the best, it is constantly playing tug of war with itself. With my Genesis though, I have the option to go manual and shift from the auto "stick shift". This helps so long as you're driving this way all the time, but if you try to swing from auto to manual mode it doesn't rev match well and shifting is rather difficult from 8th down to 3rd or 4th gear. Hopefully Hyundai will get it together with their transmission programming, as it is overall a good transmission; on par with Lexus level of comfort when it comes to shifts. It's just not built to be driven hard, which is disappointing when you start to offer higher horsepower vehicle choices.
I like the direction Hyundai/Kia are going, and although I'm not really a fan of the looks of this new Sonata, I wish you had also mentioned the cool chrome-to-LED headlight panels! Super interesting concept that seems like it was implemented very well.
It's nice to see an honest car review of actual cars people can afford!!! Most of the other channels are of cars maybe 5% of the world purchases which is unrealistic. How this channel isn't at like a million subscribers is mind numbing!!! Great video as always gents.
if you put in a break down on MPG real world you got in comparison to other hybrid you driven. And which one liked best compared to Camry hybrid and Accord Hybrid. Personally I go with Accord hybrid with better powertrain and better handling.
I've driven the 1.6T and the 2.5L and I think you're right on the nose with the 1.6T. It loses it's breath when it hits 5000 rpms. I wasn't able to get it to bog down on hard launches but you can tell, even in sport, that the transmission is geared for cruising. The 2.5L doesn't have nearly the low end torque but it revs freely to redline without getting buzzy.
*Great video as always really enjoy your reviews. I've been keeping my eye on this car for awhile. Went to the auto show in my city and spent a lot of time checking this car out*
As an '11 Sonata 2.0T owner, I want to hear ONE thing from Hyundai before I buy another one. What did they improve with the "Smartstream" motors that will keep them from blowing up?!? Yes, I see that the 2.5 copied Toyota and uses multi port + direct injection (which hopefully stops them from having issues with blow by, etc.). But I want to hear more details, including on the 1.6T, of what improvements they've made. We've been through a TON of recalls, too long to list. Many of us has our engine replaced. Getting past that, the '11-14 Sonatas had a relatively unobtrusive traction control and ABS system. You had to really try to get the ABS light to turn on. Surprising how far things have changed in a decade. Thanks for the informative review, professional as always.
I just had an opportunity to drive one of these. It's not bad. Quiet, comfortable, good amount of space inside and in the trunk. Adaptive cruise/lane keeping works well in traffic. But the push button shifter - what an idiot design. Three piano-gloss black plastic buttons (R/N/D) that feel exactly the same, and unless you look down at the shifter, you have no idea what gear you're in. Try a three-point turn. Or parallel parking. - it's impossible to do it without looking down at the shifter. Unlike a shift lever, where you can feel what gear you're in by the position of the lever.
Everything he said about the automatic is true. To fix the issue is the reset the throttle once a while, and disable traction control, and lane asst. I feel like with everything on causes the car to lag on driving commands.
My wife has a 2009 Sonata. It's a little plain looking....but 11 years later, that plainness is welcome because the car doesn't look dated. It's been a great car.
What you expected when you have former top designers from VW and BMW group Peter Schreyer(Audi TT) Luc Donckerwolke(former Bentley DD and now former Hyundai/kia head design)and Sasha Selipanov and Sangyup Lee(former Bentley designer)Jochen Paesen and Karim Habib(former BMW group)now working for Hyundai/Kia of course the interior will look like Mercedes/Audi/VW/BMW, and thank god they hired those guys with that european touch to face Toyota and Honda in North America market and in Europe market to face all the Mercedes/BMW and VW goup/Renault/Pegeout/Citroen. The cars look more refined, reliable and with unique look, special the new k5 and hyundai elantra.
Previously owned Alfa Romeo Giulia, and I test drove 1.6 limited sonata. I was blown away how well it drove. I didn't even noticed that this car is just 180hp. Traction issue you mentioned wasn't there but I think that's because I live in CA. I was so impressed I ended up buying Elantra gt N-Line.
@Nissan370Z Glass This may sound ridiculous, but it wasn't what I expected. The car is perfect in handling, and good looking inside and out, but that was it. Yes it wasn't quad version but I expected more from alfa. My previous car was Abarth 500 and alfa lacked fun and character compare to abarth. To my 2 years of experience it was more 'german' than italian. Compare to abarth, it was less fun but it wasnt really more practical either, surprisingly. Every time I bring my family they hated being in the car and I understand them. The suspension for me it felt like they only tested for handling, and only in driver seat. If you move seat to seat they all feel like different car. As if they changed coupe to sedan in last second of manufacturing.
@Nissan370Z Glass and for the reliability stand point, I had to replace radiator, and turbo due to the radiator leak caused by a bad oring, and it is a known problem. I knew what I was going into, and it was covered under warranty. But it happened as low as 13k miles. And maintenance cost was my main issue. It was free on first year, then 600 on second year, and I was expected to pay a grand for next year, so I had to sell it. It was not like I cannot afford it, I just couldn't justify it. But all those aside it is still one of the best car I've driven. It just lacks drama.
@@mattmalenda6585 And that's a good thing! But you'd be doing yourself a real disservice if you didn't at least cross shop this and the new K5. Lots of nice sedans out there these days.
Decent car with some strong points, but certainly doesn't raise the bar for midsize sedans. There are a lot of good midsize sedans out there. Many of which are better than the Sonata. Thanks for the review of a car in a forgotten segment.
It's a good step forward. Hyundai lost a lot of momentum with the last gen. The Japanese haven't lost a beat and clearly Hyundai has some catching up to do (in the minds of many consumers.) Personally, if it were my $25-35k, I would go with the Hyundai. It brings more differentiality into a sea of numbness...
It does but the Toyota hybrid system is so excellent and well proven if I was in a car for the long haul, it would be hard for me to buy anything else. Now leases, get whatever you want, it’s not your problem in 36 months lol
I think Honda has lost a beat. The market doesn't realize it yet but the data seems to suggest that Korea is more reliable than Honda. Korea is a fantastic value in the used market.
actionguy87 not going to defend Toyota/Honda, however, the sales numbers beg to differ, even with the rise of SUVs, and the domestics, they've practically dropped out of the game. Lexus/Acura doesn't compete in this entry level midsize game so they're irrelevant to this topic. however, i do agree that Toyota has been pretty bland..
actionguy87 don't take it too literal. "haven't lost a beat" as compared to Hyundai's mishap with the previous sonata, that's it! 😁 let's not put Honda/Toyota on too much of a pedestal!
Bought 2012 sonata gls, was happy with the interior and over all car, after many recalls, and buyers remorse I traded it in for 2015 outback limited, for wife and got a Chevy volt. The sonata in the end wasn't fun to drive, looked good at first but doesn't after a few months. Feels cheap. The design language doesn't stick with you long term like a civic accord, VW golf, etc. It will never hold its value because at the end of the day it's just a crappy Hyundai that has no design language or direction. Then i went back to a crappy interior of a 2020 WRX manual, but don't regret it at all. It's so fun to drive with my little kids in the back and we love it. Lost the convenience and mpg of the volt and we still love it. Maybe sell for a Tesla one day? But I've heard that driving experience is boring as well
So is there any automatic transmission you guys don't have any issues with,? Almost your videos you always have something you don't like about the transmission
Check out any car with the ZF 8-speed. It's the best automatic out there, by a wide margin. You will pay for the privilege, though. What I've always said is that a good manual trans will always be a good manual, but any automatic will be dated at some point, although Porsche's PDK is so well done that it ages quite well.
@@asterioslytsioulis4226 It still depends on its implementation. The transmission is capable but manufacturers still tune it for their specific models. Some do it better than others. For example SG channel complained about the ZF tuning in the Supra.
Interesting to note, while the new Sonata is doing this and that to reduce drag on this new car, Still the old 2011-2014 Sonata still beats it at a CD of .26 vs this .27 (Gas Cars). So in that respect newer isn't always better. I still feel that the 2011-2014 has the best design inside and out. To each their own.
The traction control is very evasive. I have a 2016 g80 (Hyundai Genesis). If there is any wheel slippage it cut power to almost zero. I’ve been almost stuck in a two lane road in on coming traffic. I took it to Hyundai and they found nothing wrong of course
I can’t wait to see the actual N version of this car. Not the N-Line but the actual N. After how good the Veloster N is,I think the Sonata N will be super sick!!👌🏽
I guess I should say that I just discovered a savagegeese review. I have to say I liked the review and your format. It is not a cookie cutter review. I love that you went deep into the mechanical portion of the car. Quite refreshing. I hope to see your review when the Hyundai Azera/Grandeur comes to the states. Reviews that I have seen that were done in S. Korea show a vehicle that will be the flagship for Hyundai. Honestly, I think the design inside and out are exceptional. I will wait till it hits our market before I buy a new car. The hybrid is what I have not seen reviewed yet in Korea. I am leaning toward buying the hybrid, I hope to see you review it in the future. Great job...
Thank you for mentioning that the NA Engine has both port and direct injection, i was not aware of that. I really hate that very few automakers are implementing this. I hope they add it to the turbo engines.
A computer-controlled clutch pack in a hybrid that offers high torque. As European customers already know from DCT from VAG, this will have a short shelf life and will cost a lot to be repaired.
I got my Limited this month. I have to agree with you. After about 1,000 miles so far I’ve noticed that the transmission sometimes feels stuck or mushy. If I need to accelerate quickly I either use sport mode or the paddle shifters to stay high in the RPM. Otherwise I love the LCD dash and DRL that fade to chrome and the moonroof is also amazing. I really hope this car lasts me 15-20 years like my 2000 Maxima did that I am getting out of.
Having owned the 1.6T limited Sonata. Spot on with the interior and exterior. I love both aspects. The engine is nice, feels a bit better than specs sheet leads you to believe. That 8 speed transmission though loves to hang in 3 or 4 gear when driving in the city, highway performance for it fine and it upshifts and downshifts fine. But almost everyday I feel like it is broken when driving in the city and it hangs. The parking sensors also randomly go off while stopping at a light, which is weird, but kind of like whatever.
I get the parking sensor thing, too. I think it is sensing the cloud of exhaust coming out of the in front of you, especially in cold weather when there is visible steam in it.
You're spot on regarding power delivery. Hyundai still has some work to do regarding traction control. It's quick to pull power and doesn't give it back quickly enough. Overall they seem to be making some good, solid cars these days.
I've yet to watch this, but I just wanted to right away express my gratitude to your team for taking the time to review normal, every day cars that average joes can hope to one day purchase.
Although channels that review fancy cars are fun at times, ultimately getting to know cars that are within my price range is worth it's weight in gold and I appreciate in particular your channel's professionalism, integrity and objectivity as you do this.
TIL I'm below an average slow; this car is expensive for my budget =(
@@13loodLust Well its about the same price as the average new car purchased in the US in its top trim. So I think for the average joe LaResistance was referring to, it works.
@@13loodLust I'd consider it used over new for sure. I too would not be able to afford this new if I want to remain fiscally disciplined. Buying a car new is almost never a smart move financially.
What's more is that they do a good job of considering a car for what it is. Some other people that tend to focus on a lot of high-end stuff do review 'regular' cars too, but they look at them through the jaded lens of cars costing several times more.
@@sigmahyperion955 Thank you for articulating that! This is also a huge part of why I like this channel.
Savagegeese the type of guy to haunt everybody at his funeral for giving him a piano black casket.
lmao best comment
We should start a kickstarter to buy a piano black plastic coffin
Snort. In this case he is quite right, because most of the interior is really good, so the piano black, especially around the HVAC controls, really stands out and looks bad.
@@markmiller3279 it doesn't look bad until it collects prints and dust, which is 4 days
He the type to come outta the grave to complain about how the interior design of the casket doesn't feel premium enough and it lacks refinement.
I was choosing between the big 3: Camry, Accord, Sonata. Before I go further, I’d classify myself as an average driver. I never floor my accelerator, always drive +\-5 of the speed limit, and occasionally drive long trips home from college. After trying those 3, I picked the sonata. I actually like the looks (shocker), but more importantly you get so much more for the money. The car basically drives itself when you turn on lane following and cruise control and it worked way better than the Honda’s or Toyota’s systems. It makes trips very easy. As for the drive trains, I am not a refined enough driver to care all that much or notice for that matter. The final selling point was the 100k mile warranty. I’ve had it for about 8 months now and I still love it as much as the day I bought it.
Please be careful with the cruise control. The research shows the better it works, the more dangerous it is. Learn to use the steering wheel controls so you don't look at the screen.
FYI, my non-daily driver is a 2013 Santa Fe Sport which I bought new in 2012. I used the warrantee three times; once at 36,000ish miles to replace a faulty fuel pump (known issue, but never recalled), once at about 97,000 miles to replace the transmission fluid temperature sensor (I was kinda disappointed it wasn’t the whole transmission... Woulda been nice to get a brand new one right before the warrantee expired, but fortunately it’s working fine), and finally at 102,000 miles to replace the engine block (technically a recall, but they called it a warrantee repair). I just keep everything maintained and everything else has been fine. I had a Honda Civic before this for she met an untimely death at 72,000 miles and while it never left me stranded I had endless problems with electric window motors, electric door locks, the trunk opening randomly on its own, the AC going out. Despite the three repairs, I consider the Hyundai to have been a superior ownership experience. I practically lived in the dealership with that Honda, all for minor stupid things (never the same thing twice so I couldn’t claim lemon law). Of course, my daily is now an Accord, so we’ll soon see if it treats me any better this time.
Anyway, enjoy the Sonata, take good care of it, I hope it takes good care of you.
@@jaanfo3874 I've found all car manufacturers are good with the standard warranty. The issue comes with special ones like "California emissions warranty" or extended warranty from lawsuits, etc. The dealer will try to worm their way out of these because they can charge you more than they get from corporate for the warranty work.
@@jaanfo3874 I used to work as a Hyundai technician and I can guarantee you that the transmission fluid temp sensor is a known issue as well. I got so good at those from doing one every other week. Hyundai is pretty good about recalling issues which is good but they also seem to continue to have the same issues year after year despite them being known problems.
The Big Three for years have been Camry, Accord and Altima/Fusion. Sonata has never been a part of that conversation. Not even close. In fact, Sonata is even perennially behind Malibu in terms of Yearly sales figures. So, at best you can say Sonata brings up the rear of the Big Six .
I’ve owned my Sonata 1.6T Limited for about six months now. Absolutely love this vehicle !!!! I spend time in it everyday and drive a mix of 2 lane country back roads and interstate driving. At no point have I experienced any bad behavior from the transmission or engine. The shifts are smooth and responsive and it always finds the right gear. I’m aggressive on the backroads which includes several long starlight’s and curves and hills and it never stumbles or hesitates during shifting. Not sure why you had any transmission sloppiness.
I’ve owned several Hyundai vehicles over the years and can say for certain that this is the best one yet. They finally got the suspension and steering right and it’s a joy to drive.
I have people stop me to ask what it is quite often. They love the styling as much as me. Even the front end....which I think is well done.....even if a fish is referenced...lol.
Terrible styling, terrible resale, terrible piano black plastic, terribly slow 1.6. Sounds like a lawnmower
@@Mrtellitlikeitis someone’s mad
I own a 2020 limited 1.6T also and i love it just turned over 35000 they only mod i have done is a drop in k&n filter which i recommend it has improved the mid to top end alittle bit. Oh and i just scored a set of voloster N wheels omg this thing handles on rails now.
@@houmanjafarijam1985 Have you noticed any increase in noise from interior materials e.g. vibrations/rattles/rattling?
@@OblivionIce I do have 48 k and perhaps some from driver door and passenger and some from panaramic sunroof
If you straightened out that exhaust pipe, it would wrap around the earth 3 times.
TheStraightPipes will absolutely hate this.
Many years ago there was this game called Pipe Mania...
@Richard Favreau You're in the wrong place my man.
The Adventure Auto 😂 I think he wants Alex on Autos
@Richard Favreau Honestly that rear legroom stat is interesting and quite shocking. I bet the Sonata has a much bigger trunk. I was only teasing about your comment bc it was a comvo on exhausts and you mentioned rear legroom.
I was a sales manager for a Hyundai dealership. The nice thing is that $36K usually drops to $31K if you live in a competitive market. Invoice pricing less rebates is usually massive. If you go to buy one, ask to see the invoice. Beforehand, go online and see what the rebate amount is for your particular model and trim level. Old school dealers hate to show you this info and will try and hold what they can. They may give you the rebate, but they keep the pricing at MSRP. That’s why you need to see the invoice which is what the dealer pays for the car.
At invoice less rebate, they still get holdback which is usually a few percentage points. Also, if they arrange financing, they get a small finance flat which is also a max of a couple percentage points. It’s not a ton of money, but it’s a volume business. They’ll live.
A couple exceptions: if you take the low APR option, often times you give up the rebate. This isn’t the dealer playing games, but what Hyundai Motor Finance dictates. Also, if you have fair to bad credit, there is often times a large fee the lender charges for approving the loan. So, the dealer may still be giving you invoice pricing and all of the rebates, but they’ll minus out that lender fee.
In summary, a good dealer will disclose all of this info and make sure you understand everything. I worked for a very honest dealership that did this for customers and it created an awesome experience for them. There are good dealers out there so shop around until you find one. And if you have questions or need advice before you visit the dealership, feel free to message me.
Appreciate it - I went with a Subaru instead of a Hyundai recently, but I remember our local Hyundai being the best experience I had transparency and customer experience-wise by a few country miles. Little things like this really make a difference for new(er) shoppers like myself (I just got too damn good a deal on a WRX to hop on an Elantra GT N Line sorry!).
Surprising that people get a Hyundai for $30k+ instead of a pre-owned Lexus.
Aishik Ashraf Hmmmm well not everyone wants a generic appliance
@@byronnasem4110 And yet they're buying a Hyundai
Aishik Ashraf And? Cool, Hyundai’s are dam good reliable cars, same with genesis. Your comment only shows your badge snobbery how you are a clown
I'm not too sure on the looks but it is growing on me. I'm a little biased but I'm really impressed by kia/hyundai and how they keep improving.
Audis s5 sportback looks too much like this car and the stinger as well
Hopefully the hundreds of millions they lost on customers like me have motivated them to improve things.
@Phoenix G the K5 interior was so sad...
@@MattPSU02 hundreds of millions? Bruh that's almost the size of the whole US💀
@@roboticvenom1935 US dollars $$$ the costs of the lawsuits was huge.
I would love to have shooting brake style wagon from this in the European market.
@Zfb Tln Hyundai has a design for one that they are planning to introduce only in Europe.
13:04 look at all those savage geese burnouts
Underrated comment. The boys definitely like to pitch em sideways at that intersection.
Haha that reminds me of an intersection I pass by often. Its near the bottom of a long hill country road where the speed limit is 55 and the intersecting road is at about a 130 degree angle (from the side coming down the hill). Its also not a stop sign/traffic light so people always come around it wayy too fast. Im guilty of it myself! So you can just see hundreds of deep overlapping heavy right tire marks of the hundreds of cars trying to make the turn at 35 mph instead of a safe 15 or 20 max.
I drove the last gen Sonata as a loaner vehicle from a body shop. I thought it was pretty good, very spacious and comfortable. It was changing my mind about Hyundai until I read all the horror stories of all the catastrophic engine failures and catching fire. Look it up on car complaints
Those failures are from discontinued engines that haven’t been produced in over 5 years....
Valor_X you could say the same with Honda and their oil dilution and electrical short circuits in the Oddessey
Wifey and I were tempted to pick up a 2020 Sonata last spring but it’s hard for me to buy any car in its first year either when new or after a major refresh. Ended up getting one of the last 2019s, in SEL trim for a little more than $23k out the door after discounts. The 2.4L and 6 speed auto is perfect as a commuter and daily driver.
Not bad, how many miles?
Ibrahim Vazirabad we bought it new and only have 7K miles on it now. The dealer had around $3k in rebates on it at the time.
@@travisp11 Oh, I understand! I thought you bought a used 2019 recently. I bought an 2019 SE in May with 7k miles for 18k. I didn't get the new exterior and interior, but I consider Hyundais to be very reliable in my personal experience.
Ibrahim Vazirabad Cool! Gotcha! We have been very happy with it. I just bought a 2020 Kona AWD SEL Plus in March of 2020 and that has also been a great little vehicle.
I bought a new 2018 SEL at the end of the model year. $18,900.
Smoke that
3:10 That deadpan expression when you deliver that sarcasm payload
I'm leasing a 2020 Hyundai Elantra as a daily driver. My 4runners were costing me a fortune on maintenance and gas. Whenever you use AWD daily, you need to get those oils changed, and there's a whole protocol to keep it running smooth. I just parked them booth and leased an Elantra as a daily beater. I freaking love it. I used to Laugh at them. But really, their CVT and little engines can haul ass. As funny as this may sound but when you engage, "sport" mode, the exhaust opens up, response becomes linear, steering tightens and it makes merging on to highway or zipping around town a breeze. I was able to get it with a sun roof, all the safety features, key less entry, with push button start, blind spot monitoring, break assist when it senses you to close to another vehicle, back up camera. No leather, no power seats. No navigation, but does have blue tooth, satilie and android auto for under 19k during peak Pandemic time! I walked in with little more than a drivers license. And walked out with the car and payments less than $290 for 36 months with 18k a year.
The lead designer is a Belgian who did the modern Audi, VW designs. Explains why Hyundais/Kias look similar to Germans.
True
This doesn’t look like any Current VW sedan or Audi Sedan it’s way different look at the VW Arteon and the Audi A4 compared to this
Milton Waddams Those climate knobs look like they’re lifted right out of an Audi A4/A5/etc. 🧐
@@f181234 By modern I don't mean the latest. I believe he switched over to Hyundai Group years ago. My Elantra dash looks like it's been lifted from an Audi...
Not anymore, he resigned in April 29 from Hyundai/Kia as chief designer.
2.5 litter direct & port sounds promising 😎 as always awesome review.
Look at reviews that compare different direct-injection designs. All cars will have blow-by but that doesn't necessarily mean it will end up on the valves. The past couple years manufacturers have been redesigning direct injection, without having to add port injection, to deal with gunk buildup on valves.
Thanks Jay! I will check out the reviews.
@@jayryan7473 ye
Limited Trim can be had for $30,100 with Costco discount. I know because I bought one last week. There is a Carbon Fiber cover for the admittedly hideous Gloss Plastic on the shifter buttons. I already ordered mine.
are you talking about this? (amazon link to what i assume is the shift cover in carbon fiber styling: www.amazon.com/Bishop-Tate-Styling-Carbon-Hyundai/dp/B0828Q8T2P/ref=sr_1_19_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=2020+sonata+gear+shift+cover&qid=1595265484&replacementKeywords=gear+shift+cover&sr=8-19-spons&vehicle=2020-3-21------------&vehicleName=2020+Hyundai+Sonata&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEySEtDM0dXNlFMVkRaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDI4NTgxM0hFS05HVDZPWlJKTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTg3MTkzVkdUWElPVkVMMVVTJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
God, I hope not. That carbon 'style' stuff nearly-universally looks like crap and fits even worse.
@@lachlanhudson7404 That is it. It may not look like a million bucks but it is better than Piano Black to me.
@@Dryloch it's better to get it wrapped in a actual carbon fiber so you maintain the dimensions of the interior...
Doesn’t like gloss black plastic, so he puts faux carbon fiber over it 🤦♂️
imo this car doesn't look bad. But man, the KIA K5 is looking real good too
Just bought a hybrid Blue trim model last week, the one that's rated for 54mpg on the highway, and I'm very pleased so far. It is extremely comfortable and quiet, and as Geese says, the powertrain transitions are utterly seemless; if it wasn't for the display screen, I'd rarely ever know if the engine was on (full-throttle situations obviously excepted). What I'm most amazed by is the frequency with which the engine will turn off at highway speeds. The system seems to do a great job at using the electric motor and battery to maintain momentum once you're up to speed, and so I'll find myself cruising along at 65-75mph with the engine off; because of that, my highway drives have been sometimes exceeding 60mpg (according to the trip computer, at least), which seems crazy for such a big car. The whole thing just feels very refined, and I'm looking forward to years and years of owning this car.
One thing he is very honest with his opinion base upon drive each car which is great no bs
The only Chanel where I u can find honest review
The other Chanel's reviews stink of cheap perfume.
keep looking--there are millions of honest reviewers on the 'toob. the Geese are the slickest though!
Speedkar99 makes better reviews imo
Thanks for the in-depth review, most appreciated. I just purchased the 2020 Sonata, this will be my fourth one.
I just bought the Preferred model and I am just waiting for it to arrive. I found the new 2.5 litre engine quite peppy on the demo I drove and you are right, this is a highway cruiser. I have been quite satisfied with all of them and they only seem to get more refined when I trade in every few years. I always buy a blue one for some reason. :) I’m retired now and look forward to some nice trips in my new car. Thanks from Mississauga Ontario.
Awesomeness, been waiting for this one. I'm excited to see what the German guy can pull off with the N-line edition. Transmission tuning and putting the power down will need to be absolutely fixed.
It's a big improvement, but for me, I still prefer the Mazda 6 Signature w/ the turbo 4 and brown interior for a sedan.
@Rubedo Alaberti What did you like most and least about the Veloster?
Rubedo Alaberti why did you get rid of it?
Rubedo Alaberti nice! That’s going from one sweet ride to another.
I just got the SEL PLUS that has the glowing yellow color and I get tons of compliments everyday. Hyundai did well on this model.
I have 2013 Limited Sonata which I have paid off for awhile now. I went to the dealer late last year to look at the new model Sonata Limited and I gotta say, from looking at the pictures I wasn't the biggest fan of the grill but in person, it grew on me.
Got in the car, salesman sat in the back behind me as my friend was in the passenger seat. I knew some of the features but I let the salesman talk about some of the other things I wasn't aware of. I was ready to take it for a spin and I asked him where the parking break was, I'm used to using my left foot to release it. He says to look next to the traction control button and I'm getting lost and I finally found it.
The ride was smooth and quiet, love the Bose audio system in it as well. Heads up display was wonderful as I could see my speed up on the windshield. For how well the room is in the car, everyone has a different body type. I'm 6'2, 270 and I have more of that football linebacker build. Usually where my issues come into play is the height. Thankfully no issues with that. Seat supported my body well, I didn't feel like I would have issues sitting in that seat for hours driving.
Overall, the amount of features in this Limited trim, the room in the car, the Bose audio, ambient lighting....the infotainment, I was surprised in person how well it all came together inside. My friend who is not even a car guy by any means said he was amazed with everything in it and I've never heard him say anything about cars before.
My two colors of choice are the Portofino grey and Stormy Sea. After I make my decision I'll be putting 25% tints on the side and back windows. Makes it cooler in the summer and gives it a nicer look as well.
I have to admit, I found this channel when researching the 2015 Sonata (which I did purchase, 2.0T for those wondering) and I've become a bit of a Hyundai fanboy. I've been looking at the 2020 with rose colored lenses because of the amount of stuff you get and the improvements made over a relatively short time.
I mention all this because I want to express my appreciation for SavageGeese on how he critiques these cars. Almost all other reviewers rightly praise the Sonata for all the tech, and improvements, and value, etc etc etc and they all say the same things over and over. In this channel, there's no fear for calling out what was done right, what could be improved, and what is bad, and there isn't a car that's been reviewed here that hasn't been given it's due praise as well as pointing out what's terrible. Not only did this channel channel help me critique the car I was purchasing, but it also helped me critique myself in what I value and how much I was influenced by "industry assumptions" on what is good and what is bad.
He is 100 percent right about the traction control system. Actually he was being nice. I have owned a Kia or a Hyuandai for the past 8 years and that stupid system has almost killed me multiple times where I am pulling into oncoming traffic and it will basically totally kill the engine for no fucking reason. It's terrifying. It's to the point now that I turn on traction control when having to pull onto a busy road.
Cars owned
2011 Kia Optima
2019 Hyundia elentra GT turbo
I drove a sonata once for a week and half rental in 2015. I fell in love!!
Great video as always really enjoy your reviews. I've been keeping my eye on this car for awhile. Went to the auto show in my city and spent a lot of time checking this car out. I went ahead and bought one in the SEL trim with the 2.5l got a pretty good deal on it maybe because of all the covid stuff. Initially I thought the transmission was really smooth but every now and then it shifts a little hard. Really the only other complaint I have is when shifting between park, drive and reverse it's just a little too slow and if you press the button too fast it doesn't always register that it was pressed. My favorite part of this car are the standard safety features that make everyday driving so much better.
I own a 2016 Sonata GL 2.4L and it is a beast and NO, it does not look cheap! It is fully functional and dependable! At 100,000km it does not even need alignment yet!
Savage Geese listens to Skee-Lo
He wishes he was a little bit taller.
Came here for this
@@reddogwn and also a baller
If Toyota could make interiors and exteriors like Hyundai/Kia, they would be the best all around cars out there. The quality and feel of these cars is impressive at that price point!
You saying about jokes:"That's not what we do that here." is a great joke.
It took me a while but I've started to really like what Hyundai and Kia have been bringing out in the past 5 or so years.
While you might get stressed with "work' I want all involved with the production of these videos, your efforts do not go unnoticed. For vehicle reviews, hands down, yours is the most comprehensive. Stay calm, stay safe, and carry on. -Johnny-
I drove a dealer-provided Limited and the shifts were incredibly smooth. Maybe this can't hold up to journalist abuse....
Which is just as concerning as if it were that bad from the factory
WILSON not really... if you talk to any journalists they know the firms that deal out these cars to the journalists have to take care of the cars after the journalists are done with them
CLS63AMG WAGON tires and brakes, maybe. The transmission is supposed to last the lifetime of the vehicle. What could journalists possibly be doing that abuses the transmission enough to break it in less than 20k miles?
And to be fair, this is coming from some who often drives a 2018 Acura TLX 4 banger. It has a strange transmission: dual clutch with a torque converter, which does little to smooth out the jerky transmission.
Compared to that, Sonata Limited was exceptionally smooth, and shifts weren't perceptible until I was close to redline
AOA thinks that this transmission is smoother than the Toyota 8 speed. I would need a long test drive to be sure.
I love that dashboard design. It’s a nice looking car. Good alternative if you’re bored of all the German exec saloons. Shame we aren’t getting this in the UK.
why dont have it in UK?
HellHog Saloons aren’t as popular as they once were. All about SUVs now or small hatchbacks 😫😫 If this was a liftback it might be available in more markets.
@@rajjy1976 oh, sad to hear that. i actually love sedans more than SUVs. they are much cooler imo
Nobody is buying a sonata instead of a BMW, merc, or audi. Genesis? Sure. Sonata? Not a chance.
Mitchell Steindler Personally as someone who buys their cars instead of leasing them (and therefore hangs onto them for longer) I’d rather buy a highly spec’d reliable far eastern offering that I know won’t throw up error messages every few months, than a low spec’d (due to budget limitations) German car which comes with more prestige but endless issues. Yes they’re better to drive, but come on, most of us sit in traffic anyway. 0-60 times don’t matter in the real world, nor does cornering. But each to their own eh. I’ve had German cars. Fun for a while until warning lights start popping up 😆😆 No-ones buying Genesis’ anymore are they? Aren’t they in trouble? German cars are kinda surgical and generic nowadays, at least the Koreans and Japanese try to add a bit of flair or whatever you wanna call it.
I don't know if you'll ever see this, but I appreciate all the effort you put in while reviewing these cars. These days you see other dumb-ified youtube car channels like supercarblondie, straightpipes, redlinereview where they literally just spit out the manufacturer highlighted bullet points at the camera without ever going into the in depth details, but your content is a breath of fresh air.
“CUZ IT LOOKS CHEAP!” -Best quote of the video
Hi dwight!
I don’t say hi
@@cameronschindler25 false!
Driving my Is 250 v6 with 6 speed automatic. Could not be more happier
This is my third sonata (2011,2017 & 2020) this is by far the most refined ride out of all of them. Hyundai has found a way to make the ride more complient and composed without sacrificing sportiness. While the engine is not as powerful as my old 2.0T, it is sufficient for every day driving. The tech package in my Limited model is worth the price of admission and would have cost hundreds more in other models. I've only had it for two months, but I have a smile on my face every time I take a trip. Well done Hyundai!
Savage Geese....appreciate you man. You're one of the very few out there in UA-cam land that I put my trust in your channel. Your words have weight and are considered while I make my next vehicle selection.
These videos are so high quality, I honestly can't think of a better channel for car guys on youtubes. Keep up the good independent work.
I feel like Koreans are doing sedans better than Japanese nowadays but it’s just unfortunate timing as sedans are dying in the US and people eat up SUVs
Hyundai still has identity issues. They try to be like everyone else. Mercedes,they try to be more European, then go back to being conservative.
Hiring a former VW executive was smart for making it's cars look better.
@@jeffreyfurtado3681 I mean, that's not really a bad thing since Germans tend to build very luxurious cars and Hyundai is attempting to offer some of that class but for a lower price and better value.
I’ve been waiting on this review!
I would be carful about the sarcasm regarding the piano black.
The car company or new viewers could see that and not really pick up on it.
Agreed
Piano black lies matter.
Have a feeling he was paid off to not insult it too hard
@@FunkatronicDingus found the idiot
If this was my first savagegeese video, I would have genuinely believed him!
You present a unique mix of in-depth technical and subjective analysis in all your car reviews. This mix sets your reviews above the rest on UA-cam. Keep up the great work!
Wish this was available in the UK, really like the looks
@@dean8367 it's fine to drive around the UK when you've got Corona virus tho lol
I really like how it looks too
@@Anonymous-ji4sb That was an issue with engine knock. Hyundai recently extended your warranty and replaces your engine for free. Mistakes happen, and Hyundai covered their customers and did the work for free.
G H if there fixing it what’s the issue ? My 2006 went to 220k before I crashed it. My 2014 azera is at 60k with absolutely nothing but standard maintenance. And I don’t expect a damn thing till it’s on the other side of 120k .
G H the 10 year warranties are pretty solid . Volkswagen makes cars that last like 8 years if that. They only offer a 5 year warranty should say something . Of course I’m biased bc I drive Hyundai but who has a better warrenty
New sonata looks great. Good work Hyundai! Nice review
I must say, that SG t-shirt is one of the finest merch available from all of UA-cam.
Cries in Honda Accord 6MT
You'll be crying harder when you realize Honda has ditched the 6MT from the Accord lineup.
I like it. It is refined and does not have a CVT. Great review Mark.
Only you could present information about a Sonata that would be interesting and entertaining. Very well done. Keep up the great work.
You are spot on about TC. It’s why I didn’t get another KIA. Go to pull out or make a left turn in traffic and it leaves you for dead. Not good
Hyundai 2017 Tucson ex-owner. The DCT lawsuit Hyundai was slapped with still hasn’t resulted in better transmissions.
Angel Did you ditch the Tucson because of the transmission?
moloono1 partially yes, but the fact that the lawsuit made it so you recover a portion of the difference between sale price and purchase price made it that more enticing. It was awful, “sputtering” is the term for it.
That total range is mighty tempting...
There reverse tachometer is actually necessary because the center guage would look off-center if they did that.
He did mention symmetry as the likely reason...
Wow, they've come a long way. I worked at a Hyundai dealership in the late 80's. The cars used to come in and you could look up at the cars on the upper deck of the car carrier and the entire underside of the cars would be rusted from stem to stern. Not just surface rust either, sometimes it was rusted right through the floor pans.
They were mechanically sound, though. They came off the boat with only 2 quarts of oil in the engine. Our prep facility was 2 miles from the dealership. I would sometimes have to drive the cars over there for detailing. I would beat the absolute shit out of them in that 2 miles. Redline clutch drops, no lift shifts at 7,500 rpm, reverse burnouts/doughnuts with the wheel at full lock. All of this with only 2 quarts of oil in the crank and they all took it like champs. Ahh, the good 'ol days.
I own a 2007 Sonata limited that I purchased new as a dealer demo, and it's been a great, dependable ride for over 13 years. I really like the naturally aspirated 6 cylinder, and wish that they still offered one.
Finally. Dual injection. What all modern engines deserve.
I haven't driven nor sat in the new Sonata but I do own a 2015 2.0T and the main thing is that it's reliable, good on gas, has more than enough power and is loaded with creature comforts. I drove it from the east to west coast last year and not once did anything fail. I do agree that the 6sp trans feels like a DCT, especially when accelerating from a stop light. It looks like they've solved the NVH issues as mine could use more road noise suppression. Overall, Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are doing a great job in listening to their customers and constantly making improvements. I'm interested in how the Sonata N-Line performs, given the FWD drivetrain !
I recently got the base model with the 2.5 and I agree that the drivetrain could be improved. Other than that when cross-shopping with an Accord, it blew it out of the water in terms of standard features and ride quality. Hopefully the transmission won’t blow up like it did at 60k miles with the 03 Acura TL I eventually replaced with the Sonata.
Yeah, their standard features list is impressive compared to the competition.
I have a 2013 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec with their first in-house 8 speed auto. It has the same problems that this car has, and he's absolutely right: their transmission isn't the best, it is constantly playing tug of war with itself. With my Genesis though, I have the option to go manual and shift from the auto "stick shift". This helps so long as you're driving this way all the time, but if you try to swing from auto to manual mode it doesn't rev match well and shifting is rather difficult from 8th down to 3rd or 4th gear. Hopefully Hyundai will get it together with their transmission programming, as it is overall a good transmission; on par with Lexus level of comfort when it comes to shifts. It's just not built to be driven hard, which is disappointing when you start to offer higher horsepower vehicle choices.
I like the direction Hyundai/Kia are going, and although I'm not really a fan of the looks of this new Sonata, I wish you had also mentioned the cool chrome-to-LED headlight panels! Super interesting concept that seems like it was implemented very well.
I love the dedicated, labeled, removable oil change covers. Nice touch.
I just gasped at the aluminum A arms. hyundai had been eat sleep breathing the steel everything for 30 years.
they did say they used significantly more aluminum this time around. Probably a big reason for the large weight savings.
@@grievuspwn4g3 Hyundai owns the steel company m.hyundai-steel.com/en/aboutus/corporateoverview/locations.hds
Did you honestly gasp for air?
@@grievuspwn4g3 www.hyundai.news/eu/stories/the-story-of-steel-strengthening-car-safety/
It's nice to see an honest car review of actual cars people can afford!!! Most of the other channels are of cars maybe 5% of the world purchases which is unrealistic. How this channel isn't at like a million subscribers is mind numbing!!! Great video as always gents.
if you put in a break down on MPG real world you got in comparison to other hybrid you driven. And which one liked best compared to Camry hybrid and Accord Hybrid. Personally I go with Accord hybrid with better powertrain and better handling.
I've driven the 1.6T and the 2.5L and I think you're right on the nose with the 1.6T. It loses it's breath when it hits 5000 rpms. I wasn't able to get it to bog down on hard launches but you can tell, even in sport, that the transmission is geared for cruising. The 2.5L doesn't have nearly the low end torque but it revs freely to redline without getting buzzy.
Hybrids like the Hyundai Sonata are the future of sustainability, not gimmicky electric cars that can't even travel interstate.
*Great video as always really enjoy your reviews. I've been keeping my eye on this car for awhile. Went to the auto show in my city and spent a lot of time checking this car out*
What happened to Turbowski?
Been wondering that for over a year...
I think the design is very bold and it works!
As an '11 Sonata 2.0T owner, I want to hear ONE thing from Hyundai before I buy another one. What did they improve with the "Smartstream" motors that will keep them from blowing up?!? Yes, I see that the 2.5 copied Toyota and uses multi port + direct injection (which hopefully stops them from having issues with blow by, etc.). But I want to hear more details, including on the 1.6T, of what improvements they've made. We've been through a TON of recalls, too long to list. Many of us has our engine replaced.
Getting past that, the '11-14 Sonatas had a relatively unobtrusive traction control and ABS system. You had to really try to get the ABS light to turn on. Surprising how far things have changed in a decade.
Thanks for the informative review, professional as always.
I love and appreciate you for reviewing so many regular cars.
When mid day sun hits that gloss black and chrome, say bye bye vision.
I just had an opportunity to drive one of these. It's not bad. Quiet, comfortable, good amount of space inside and in the trunk. Adaptive cruise/lane keeping works well in traffic.
But the push button shifter - what an idiot design. Three piano-gloss black plastic buttons (R/N/D) that feel exactly the same, and unless you look down at the shifter, you have no idea what gear you're in. Try a three-point turn. Or parallel parking. - it's impossible to do it without looking down at the shifter. Unlike a shift lever, where you can feel what gear you're in by the position of the lever.
preach❤
Everything he said about the automatic is true. To fix the issue is the reset the throttle once a while, and disable traction control, and lane asst. I feel like with everything on causes the car to lag on driving commands.
My wife has a 2009 Sonata. It's a little plain looking....but 11 years later, that plainness is welcome because the car doesn't look dated. It's been a great car.
What you expected when you have former top designers from VW and BMW group Peter Schreyer(Audi TT) Luc Donckerwolke(former Bentley DD and now former Hyundai/kia head design)and Sasha Selipanov and Sangyup Lee(former Bentley designer)Jochen Paesen and Karim Habib(former BMW group)now working for Hyundai/Kia of course the interior will look like Mercedes/Audi/VW/BMW, and thank god they hired those guys with that european touch to face Toyota and Honda in North America market and in Europe market to face all the Mercedes/BMW and VW goup/Renault/Pegeout/Citroen.
The cars look more refined, reliable and with unique look, special the new k5 and hyundai elantra.
Previously owned Alfa Romeo Giulia, and I test drove 1.6 limited sonata. I was blown away how well it drove. I didn't even noticed that this car is just 180hp. Traction issue you mentioned wasn't there but I think that's because I live in CA. I was so impressed I ended up buying Elantra gt N-Line.
@Nissan370Z Glass This may sound ridiculous, but it wasn't what I expected. The car is perfect in handling, and good looking inside and out, but that was it. Yes it wasn't quad version but I expected more from alfa. My previous car was Abarth 500 and alfa lacked fun and character compare to abarth. To my 2 years of experience it was more 'german' than italian. Compare to abarth, it was less fun but it wasnt really more practical either, surprisingly. Every time I bring my family they hated being in the car and I understand them. The suspension for me it felt like they only tested for handling, and only in driver seat. If you move seat to seat they all feel like different car. As if they changed coupe to sedan in last second of manufacturing.
@Nissan370Z Glass and for the reliability stand point, I had to replace radiator, and turbo due to the radiator leak caused by a bad oring, and it is a known problem. I knew what I was going into, and it was covered under warranty. But it happened as low as 13k miles.
And maintenance cost was my main issue. It was free on first year, then 600 on second year, and I was expected to pay a grand for next year, so I had to sell it.
It was not like I cannot afford it, I just couldn't justify it.
But all those aside it is still one of the best car I've driven. It just lacks drama.
12:50....Maybe there is a problem with this car. I've seen at least a dozen reviews of this car and nobody has complained about the transmission.
Because he went in-depth on this car like he usually does. He did otherwise said the "the car is a total cruiser and excellent in many ways".
not many car journalists understand transmission nowadays.
I’d never buy it. Japanese cars are too reliable usually for me to deviate
@@mattmalenda6585 And that's a good thing! But you'd be doing yourself a real disservice if you didn't at least cross shop this and the new K5. Lots of nice sedans out there these days.
Decent car with some strong points, but certainly doesn't raise the bar for midsize sedans. There are a lot of good midsize sedans out there. Many of which are better than the Sonata. Thanks for the review of a car in a forgotten segment.
It's a good step forward. Hyundai lost a lot of momentum with the last gen. The Japanese haven't lost a beat and clearly Hyundai has some catching up to do (in the minds of many consumers.)
Personally, if it were my $25-35k, I would go with the Hyundai. It brings more differentiality into a sea of numbness...
It does but the Toyota hybrid system is so excellent and well proven if I was in a car for the long haul, it would be hard for me to buy anything else. Now leases, get whatever you want, it’s not your problem in 36 months lol
The Japanese haven't lost a beat? Considering the disappointments Toyota/Lexus has been putting out lately, I beg to differ.
I think Honda has lost a beat. The market doesn't realize it yet but the data seems to suggest that Korea is more reliable than Honda.
Korea is a fantastic value in the used market.
actionguy87
not going to defend Toyota/Honda, however, the sales numbers beg to differ, even with the rise of SUVs, and the domestics, they've practically dropped out of the game. Lexus/Acura doesn't compete in this entry level midsize game so they're irrelevant to this topic.
however, i do agree that Toyota has been pretty bland..
actionguy87
don't take it too literal. "haven't lost a beat" as compared to Hyundai's mishap with the previous sonata, that's it! 😁 let's not put Honda/Toyota on too much of a pedestal!
11:10 you say NA, but it's actually turbo.
I have a 2013 that's still going strong, but its nice to see them take a big leap forward with the interior! Streets a head of the interior in mine.
Bought 2012 sonata gls, was happy with the interior and over all car, after many recalls, and buyers remorse I traded it in for 2015 outback limited, for wife and got a Chevy volt. The sonata in the end wasn't fun to drive, looked good at first but doesn't after a few months. Feels cheap. The design language doesn't stick with you long term like a civic accord, VW golf, etc. It will never hold its value because at the end of the day it's just a crappy Hyundai that has no design language or direction. Then i went back to a crappy interior of a 2020 WRX manual, but don't regret it at all. It's so fun to drive with my little kids in the back and we love it. Lost the convenience and mpg of the volt and we still love it. Maybe sell for a Tesla one day? But I've heard that driving experience is boring as well
So is there any automatic transmission you guys don't have any issues with,? Almost your videos you always have something you don't like about the transmission
Check out any car with the ZF 8-speed. It's the best automatic out there, by a wide margin. You will pay for the privilege, though. What I've always said is that a good manual trans will always be a good manual, but any automatic will be dated at some point, although Porsche's PDK is so well done that it ages quite well.
Yes.. the ZF 8speed.. nobody has a problem with that everybody loves it
@@asterioslytsioulis4226 It still depends on its implementation. The transmission is capable but manufacturers still tune it for their specific models. Some do it better than others. For example SG channel complained about the ZF tuning in the Supra.
He was impressed with the current Toyota CVT as well as the Kia Forte CVT
I remember him praising the Lincoln Aviator's 10 speed auto, which was tuned far better than the Explorer's.
Interesting to note, while the new Sonata is doing this and that to reduce drag on this new car, Still the old 2011-2014 Sonata still beats it at a CD of .26 vs this .27 (Gas Cars). So in that respect newer isn't always better. I still feel that the 2011-2014 has the best design inside and out. To each their own.
@Weimarica 1⃣1⃣0⃣ 2016 lost its iconic shape though and the interior was a little bland. Still better looking than this new car that is for sure.
The traction control is very evasive. I have a 2016 g80 (Hyundai Genesis). If there is any wheel slippage it cut power to almost zero. I’ve been almost stuck in a two lane road in on coming traffic. I took it to Hyundai and they found nothing wrong of course
Did you by chance mean invasive... evasive means more like difficult to find or capture
I can’t wait to see the actual N version of this car. Not the N-Line but the actual N. After how good the Veloster N is,I think the Sonata N will be super sick!!👌🏽
I guess I should say that I just discovered a savagegeese review. I have to say I liked the review and your format. It is not a cookie cutter review. I love that you went deep into the mechanical portion of the car. Quite refreshing. I hope to see your review when the Hyundai Azera/Grandeur comes to the states. Reviews that I have seen that were done in S. Korea show a vehicle that will be the flagship for Hyundai. Honestly, I think the design inside and out are exceptional. I will wait till it hits our market before I buy a new car. The hybrid is what I have not seen reviewed yet in Korea. I am leaning toward buying the hybrid, I hope to see you review it in the future. Great job...
Thank you for mentioning that the NA Engine has both port and direct injection, i was not aware of that. I really hate that very few automakers are implementing this. I hope they add it to the turbo engines.
A computer-controlled clutch pack in a hybrid that offers high torque. As European customers already know from DCT from VAG, this will have a short shelf life and will cost a lot to be repaired.
I got my Limited this month. I have to agree with you. After about 1,000 miles so far I’ve noticed that the transmission sometimes feels stuck or mushy. If I need to accelerate quickly I either use sport mode or the paddle shifters to stay high in the RPM. Otherwise I love the LCD dash and DRL that fade to chrome and the moonroof is also amazing. I really hope this car lasts me 15-20 years like my 2000 Maxima did that I am getting out of.
Having owned the 1.6T limited Sonata. Spot on with the interior and exterior. I love both aspects. The engine is nice, feels a bit better than specs sheet leads you to believe. That 8 speed transmission though loves to hang in 3 or 4 gear when driving in the city, highway performance for it fine and it upshifts and downshifts fine. But almost everyday I feel like it is broken when driving in the city and it hangs. The parking sensors also randomly go off while stopping at a light, which is weird, but kind of like whatever.
I get the parking sensor thing, too. I think it is sensing the cloud of exhaust coming out of the in front of you, especially in cold weather when there is visible steam in it.
You're spot on regarding power delivery. Hyundai still has some work to do regarding traction control. It's quick to pull power and doesn't give it back quickly enough. Overall they seem to be making some good, solid cars these days.
And here I am watching the review of Hyundai Sonata, although it isn't available in my country.
Man I LOVE this channel. They really tell it like it is, and test drie the hell out of these cars thanks!
“It’s such an incredible design choice” lmfao
I laughed at that too lmao
How much did they pay him???
I'm not even sure if he meant that as a compliment or not lol
@@zodiac909 r/woosh
@@zodiac909 it was sarcasm. Same with the gloss black comment