My dad saw 10 of these being unloaded from a truck at his local Kia dealer about 6 weeks ago. He came back the next day and they were all marked up $12K over MSRP. Cool car, but not worth paying for the stupid "regional market adjustments." I still prefer the Ioniq 5 overall, both inside and out.
I’ve had the same experience with greedy dealers. Told them to keep the damn thing. I ended up ordering a Tesla. Which has been out for a longer time and had most of the bugs worked out. Nothing is perfect.
This review demonstrates why we need reviewers to dig into and point out the subtle differences between equivalent products. Those differences to interior materials and suspension set up are something you're going to live with day to day, while looks remain subjective. So glad for what you guys do.
This is actually one of the EVs I would consider buying, but I know the dealerships in the US are going to murder these in markups. Especially Kia dealerships they’re the worst you can go to, they’re always unprofessional.
As someone who is a salesperson at a Kia dealership (in Canada mind you) I can confirm everything you just said. We do go out of our way here at our store to be different and the best experience (we don't do markups ect) but having frequent contact with the other Kia's around, it's crazy.
@@tinnyty not everyone can wait months for their next car though. It’s insane that consumers can’t just buy at msrp. Stuff like these stupid mark ups and haggling is why so many people are cheering for the death of the car dealership in general these days.
My dealer keeps trying to buy my 3 yr old car (actually above market for trade in) but that wouldnt even cover the markups they're putting on new cars.
I’ve owned the EV6 AWD Wind for over a month now and city commuting in The OC SoCal averages between 285 and 295, while driving in Eco which is still by far faster and more responsive than my BMW 335i around town. In sport mode MPGe drops a bit but the instant power is addicting! Agree with your interior complaints. I’m ready to swap this for the EV6 GT coming in 6 months because 0-60 in 3.3 seconds is too good to pass up!
@@shijima_ending because GT was announced after the EV6? also, because it's good to drive the car before the change? and last but not least you will be able to sell EV6 for probably more than sticker price 6 months ago? :D
@@shijima_ending these days there's practically zero financial reason to wait to buy any sought after car if you can get MSRP on it. Especially for an EV. The depreciation on the EV6 over one or two years I bet is comparable to if not less than the savings in fuel costs depending on how much you drive. If you pay the markups then yeah, you lose that as the new 'depreciation' amount to account for. Depreciation exists either as the time loss waiting for your new car to arrive or the markups you pay to drive one off the lot. Less of the depreciation exists against MSRP right now. Economics gets strange when supply gets interrupted.
Man over the years i love how Truthful this channel is. Respect it so much more and more. Everyone Braggin on this cars range but its people reviewing it in Cali. where its warm! Got more fast chargers.. im on East coast and in the Country and I WANT THE TRUTH! Its cold here where i live. I appreciate someone saying ( SG ) that we hear these good Miles for EV's but its not reality. Even this!
For many of us it _is_ reality. Far less than half the country lives in places with extreme winters. For the millions of folks who live in California, Florida, and Texas these ranges are realistic. What else should they advertise except the maximums? The cold weather ranges vary too much.
Those aren't bag hooks on the sides of the front console - they're for USB cord routing. I personally love that there's a difference between the EV6 and Ionic 5, as either car will appeal to different people for different reasons. A win for Hyundai/Kia.
Yeah, sadly everyone I know personably who’ve bought a Kia, have horrible experiences with their dealer. They always have issues with warranty claims and bad service. And I’ve seen first hand the “market adjustments” the dealers put on so many of them. Sorry but I wouldn’t pay 1 penny over MSRP for a Kia… (wouldn’t do it for almost any vehicle honestly) It’s a shame too, cause Kia has an awesome lineup of vehicles.
@@coejbee What Kia doesn't realize is the markups...suddenly that $50k Highlander Platinum is a pretty good deal compared to an overpriced Telluride with a cheap interior and all the engine recalls.
@@Smellslikegelfling FnA dude, thank you for saying that. I haven’t been able to put my feelings about that exact issue into words. This is a huge issue!
Did no one else notice the Turbowski sighting at 08:35 or am I just old? Great review. If I had to I'd take the Ioniq over this just for the styling and our local Hyundai dealer being reportedly better equipped for service over the neighboring Kia dealership.
I agree completely. I've seen a few EV6s and they look great in person. In pictures I didn't think the tail end looked good, but in person the taillights look sensational. The Ioniq5 really does remind me of classic Golfs and Alfas (and the Hyundai Pony), and those were cars I always liked. The diagonal crease is slightly goofy, but much less extreme than the current Elantra and Tucson, which really do look overstyled. I love the boxy practicality of the Ioniq5, with a seating position that must be near perfect.
What you 2 guys said about mazda, most ppl won't realize till you drive it - ie. the mx5 lets you slide for a solid 1-2secs then it'll kick in vs the on/off switch of Stability control cutting everything
Couldn't like this enough. My turbo 6 is the same way. The traction is never invasive and the stability system let's you have fun long before castration sets in.
This just might be my favorite automotive channel. It's funny. It's comprehensive. The production values are great and Mark and Jack each don both the enthusiast hat and that of the average consumer.
@@DoctorSkillz No, but please make this channel into Sliphantom, cant wait to see Mark play NFSU1 with garbo mods and only the Neon while he contemplates about his life decisions
Before the supply/chip shortages Kia and Hyundai dealers were known for dealer markups. Their was a Hyundai dealer in New Jersey that had a commercial saying that they will knock 30% off sticker but before they knock off the sticker they mark up the price by 25%
I just test drove this car. I could not get comfortable in the driver's seat or the passenger's seat no matter how I tried to change the seat settings. Meanwhile, I found the IONIQ 5 instantly comfortable up front. For that reason alone I'd choose the 5 over the EV6, despite my preference for the EV6's overall exterior styling.
13:45 - Not to continue the Mazda circlejerk, but for a regular everyday car, their traction and stability control is damn near perfect. Other cars I've driven will absolutely kill any torque to the wheels if the slightest bit of slip is detected, which can be sketchy if you're pulling out into a busy road from a junction with a bit of gravel in the road. All of the sudden, it feels like your engine has stalled out even if you've floored it. The 5 different Mazdas I've driven from 2016 - 2021 all allow about 10-15% slip which feels so much safer and more predictable.
Not to mention really intrusive traction controls make it impossible to drive in snow. I went from a Mazda to a Kia and it's night and day. Also when you shut off tcs in a Mazda it's completely off. In a Kia it will still cut power, even with it turned off.
when they started complaining abt traction control i thought they shouldve hired mazda engineers, and then they compared it to Mazda lol we really do circlejerk too much, but its earned imo, you can powerslide a cx9 with traction control on, and in the snow the ability of the car to naturally kick the ass end out and then bring it back in to get you to turn quickly is just a blessing
I’ve seen plenty of videos of the EV6 being thrown around with the TC on, not sure why Reviewers always have to cry about something most people don’t care about. The Koreans make their cars stupid proof. Can’t tell you how many times people fish tail in rain where I’m at and cause huge pile ups. Hell the aggressive TC saved my girlfriends life one day, don’t hate on a good thing.
Mazda is truly good, I agree. They really do seem to make cars for people who enjoy driving. Other than Miata, though, I felt like my CX5's fell apart after 8/10. WHen you push them that last little bit, you really notice the front end weight bias.
dealers aka Ed Voyles Kia in GA are adding $15000 to the msrp for GT line. And calling it a mandatory dealer addon. Needless to say, I said kiss my ass.
I am forever grateful that y'all thoroughly and conscientiously review consumer-y car options (knowing that these can run 60+ grand... but you get what I'm saying)
I love mine, but the ride can be a bit bouncy and harsh at high speed. Definitely too much piano black plastic in the interior. But the matte gray paint looks stellar in person
LOL, "stellar". This is so sad-cynical, how people get excited about all cars turning primer gray. - Very telling about the direction the ruling class is herding us in. (NPC color)
Many thanks for the Ioniq 5 and EV6 review’s in particular, we are still mulling over an EV or a hybrid vehicle and appreciate all that you guy’s are doing…….
You guys have a valid point in that EV's are the perfect city/suburban vehicles. Regenerative braking and the quietness/smoothness are perfect for that environment. I realized that driving my wife's Tesla Model 3. It's ideally suited for commuting around the Denver metro area.
Yup, ICE vehicles are optimized for higher consistent speed driving. That’s when they’re most efficient. An EV is great for getting around a city/suburban area.
How is this any different to using a small displacement ICE? Why are people so keen to keep trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist while compromising usability?
@@pascutia EVs are fine for consistent driving at higher speeds if you aren’t doing a lot acceleration and deceleration. So as long as you are doing adaptive cruise control you’re good.
We just got the AWD Wind trim and love it. We put in a little bit of work and found one for MSRP. It’s a great daily driver. This, plus my LC500 and manual Tacoma Off-Raod make my perfect garage fleet.
Another excellent video (from a Canadian Ioniq 5 (Ultimate)) driver. You always set the benchmark with your candid and insightful knowledge and commentary
I like the EV6, I have liked it since the concept was unveiled. I saw this, as the video suggests, an EV for normal car people... The elephant in the room is of course that KIA already had an amazing EV called the KIA Soul EV, and they decided not to sell it here. We have the Niro (ugh) and thankfully now,the EV6. But, the Soul is so recognizable, why did they decide not to sell it here?
Note that the Ioniq 5 Limited has an 8 speaker Bose system, not a 14 speaker Meridian system like the EV6. My son has the EV6 with the Meridian and I think it easily superior and more adjustable than the Bose in our I5.
@@JTM610 Not saying that... Just saying the Meridian sounds better. I had a 14 speaker Alpine system in a past RAM 1500 that was way worse than the Honda Premium Sound in my Ridgeline.
Great job again guys, the only thing that I'm in the dark about is how the standard 13 speakers sound compared to the standard 6 speakers only sound in the EV 6 Wind Trim VS the IONIQ SEL Trim ? (13 speakers sounds way cooler and better, but I really like that foot rest recliner bonus feature in the IONIQ)
I'm shocked Mark did not do a solid rant about the lack of a rear windshield wiper. Imagine driving this in anything but sunny weather and not being able to see out the back window after dropping 50k lol..
I actually like the exterior way more then IONIQ, as well as some interior designs, but HVAC and piano-black is definitely a miss... They were trying too hard to make it special and that center part just doesn't work.
The floating center console is my favorite part of the interior. Test drove one and it feels like you are sitting in a cockpit. I liked it quite a bit.
I'm not a big fan of electrics, and I'm not a big fan of CUVs/SUVs but I have to admit, the styling on these making them look more like hatchbacks is having an effect on me. The interiors too, I really like what they're doing
Kia styling is taut, like Audi of 15 years ago. And that is not a bad thing. 3:35 is the timely Easter Egg of 1980s video game graphics and midi chords I needed to stay awake.
One comment on the EV6 GT-Line since my son has one and we have an I5 Limited. The ride difference is especially evident for rear seat passengers. This is when you notice the stiffer ride of the EV6 and the lower seating position. For a family or someone that has frequent rear seat passengers, the Ioniq 5 is a far better choice. Both are great cars and charging monsters. In our I5 on a 1,300 mi return trip from FL, our total charging time (8 stops) was 1 hr and 54 mins. 230-240 kw speeds in the 50-70% charge range are common. One 16-86% charge took less than 17 minutes. P. S. We paid MSRP. No markups in Western NY for these. The Kia dealer tried the usual Kia dealer fluff but we got it back to MSRP. Ioniq 5s are MSRP straight up.
I passed on this car when looking around for a professional lease EV mostly because of headroom. I'm 1m92, so tall but still a fairly common size for North-Western Europe, and my head was barely not touching the roof lining. That also meant the seating in relation to the front windshield was damn near awkward, pretty much hampering visibility of things at a slight angle above me (like traffic lights). And I would have opted for the panoramic roof too, because it's almost a must (if the windows on these cars get any smaller, you'll feel like you're driving an armoured personel carrier). The Ioniq 5 suspension was way too soft, it was making everyone in the car, including myself motion sick. The reason I went to look particulary to this, is my own car is a Kia (2022 Ceed SW) and I've always found it's great to drive (maybe that's just preference) but everything in that car is absolute magnificent value for the money. It was objectivively better for safety/tech/controls/DCT/etc. than my previous professional 2020 Volvo XC60 in every (except size). But, for a brand that does somewhat focus on keeping cars affordable (an art forgotten by VW, Skoda and the likes), if you start specing this car out, it quickly becomes overpriced compared to a Model Y. Which is really a faux-pas in the market Kia and Huyndai are aiming at.
In my Veloster Turbo it would be so much slower when it was extremely hot outside, but so much faster when it was extremely cold out in the winter. It was very noticeable. Just curious why everybody forgets about this when talking about EV's and range and power differences based on temperature? My MPGs would also go from 40 to 28 from summer to winter. Gas cars aren't immune to these things. A diesel engine can't even be started when its very cold, so you have to leave them running or use electric engine heaters to warm them up.
ummmm you should be using a electric car heating in winter on ANY vehicle....least here in canada....if your stupid enough not to than thats YOUR fault not the cars....as for the power loss n gain....thats your fault for buying a turbo vehicle also....
@@questioner1596 My work commute is 5 miles so I usually don't preheat, only because I'm not able to offset the energy used for it in that short of a drive. I do warm up the cabin about a minute before I get in. It's nice having instant heat in an EV.
Frickin Illinois. Mid-April at 33F and new slush on the ground. And yes, no chargers. Got the new battery pack on my Bolt but still did the buyback because we no longer need a 2nd car, and being in IL means I couldn't hand it over to one of the kids because they'll be in apartments for years and won't be able to charge it.
This car is dead in the water because of one thing, and that’s the Kia dealership experience. Any remotely interesting product at every Kia dealership I’ve ever been to gets these massive markups and baloney add-ons. Then when you finally bite the bullet and decide to talk to a sales person the first things out of their mouth have nothing to do with the car you’re interested in, but rather how much do you want your monthly payment to be and do you want to fill out a credit app.
Yeah, and when you decide that a $10,000 markup isn't for you, that credit check will ding your credit rating. Hard pass on Hyundai/Ioniq/Kia until they get their dealerships under control. A markup on a limited production car like a GT4 or M2 CS is one thing, (sucky thing, BTW) but a big markup on a mass produced vehicle with the depreciation history of H/I/K is only something a sucker would pay. When you add it all up, you'd be in Tesla pricing territory, and they've been refining their lines for over ten years at this point.
Kia sold twice as many of these as they did rios last month and markups never stopped the tellurides success. I wouldn’t buy one with a markup because I have no issue searching around but they’ll still sell everyone they make at the end of the day. Only the dealers that do extreme $15-$20k markups will have maybe 4 or 5 sitting on a lot. Either way, a $40-$70k kia is outselling the $17k subcompact, times have changed because they build great cars
Went to the NY International Auto Show today and sat/rode in both the EV6 and Ioniq 5. I feel like I’m one of the few people out there who prefer the EV6 to the Ioniq 5. The Ioniq 5 is great, especially the exterior styling/funky LED, but I wasn’t a fan of the interior. For example, the white bezel is flat out ugly and the bench like front seats remind me of my mom’s minivan. The EV6 just seems… cooler inside and out. I have no issue with the HVAC/multimedia integration and the ride, albeit a very short ride, was good enough for my taste. It’s not harsh by any means. Also tried the Volvo XC40 Recharge, but holy shit that little CUV is $60K and it’s smaller and with less range. With how much the mainstream manufacturers have improved in recent years, that Volvo didn’t feel much more premium than the Kia - I know that’s a crazy statement. I’m seriously considering it.
I have an EV6 on order. The EV6 is good looking (better in person than in photos), but I like the Ioniq 5 exterior better. On the other hand, I like the EV6 interior better. My wife likes EV6 better both inside and out so that ended up being the deciding factor. In addition, the Australian EV6 has a custom suspension tune that is better resolved and more tightly controlled without being harsh.
When comparing the interior and exterior of two cars it would be good to show what you're comparing to, we haven't watched the other video recently in most cases 😊
It's also very similar to most modern Mercedes screens. I suspect most automakers will eventually end up with something similar, as it makes a lot of sense. They can put an expansive rear view on there for backing, as well as side mirror views when you engage the turn signals, like Hyundai/Kia are already doing.
Great review! I test drove an EV6 recently and it is a lot of fun. I’ll stick with my ICE Audi for road trips and I don’t want to pay $60k for a runabout. Maybe the Niro EV for $35k after the tax credit is a better fit for me.
Mini SE is actually the perfect city car and it's still eligible for the full $7500 federal tax credit this year, making it the cheapest EV. The real range for me is 120 to 140 highway vs city easily and since I charge at home or occasionally at work the range is a nonissue.
Great review as usual. Though I have to say that there is a certain irony in qualifying statements about charging networks according to the buyer’s location. Ideally, the point of such a network is to give the user an experience that isn’t geographically unpredictable. But they have yet to deliver on such a system.
True, but the network has been growing rapidly, and should continue to grow as sales increase. They have concentrated so far on places where EV sales are high and parts of the Interstate system.
Most people are buying BEVs for local driving, not for long-distance driving. Most BEV owners who do lots of long-distance driving keep an ICEV or PHEV for that purpose. The point of having the 800-volt architecture is, of course, fast DC charging, but the public-charging infrastructure isn't there yet. Maybe in 3-5 years...
Amazing, an EV from a regular brand that I would actually consider. I quite like the styling of it (not as much as the Polestar 2 though) and the small hatch space wouldn't really matter much as I never haul stuff anyway. And as long as the seats are comfortable I'd prefer a more direct handling vehicle rather than the softer Ioniq.
The time is way overdue for KIA/CORP. to due a major clean-up of your dealerships. I have had three KIA's . They have been great Cars, I am now driving a 2014 KIA Soul + and it was purchased as the other two from our local Dealer here i in Yuma. But the local dealership was sold to a group that also owns the Hyundai store. Service has been down hill since. Example: There was a factory call-back which I had done by the new Dealer. At that time I had 63,000 miles on my car. When I picked up my car, I was told by the service manager that my car needed a complete brake Job and the car was not even safe to drive, He said that the rotors and pads were completely worn out. I found that hard to believe and took it to my local tire dealer for their thoughts. They pulled the wheels and gauged the discs and pads and it was determined that they brakes still had at least another40,000 miles of wear left. I just turned 78000 miles and the brakes still a long way to go. So KIA wake up! and clean up your dealership's. Remember A vehicle is only as good as it's dealers, At this time I doubt that I would buy another KIA. The more I think about, the more I feel that buying direct is the only way to go.
Feedback for future videos, for some reason the mic sounded like it was in your mouth in this video. Not normal for this channel. Just wanted you to know. To be specific, it was only an issue on the intro. Everything else sounded great.
I realize this isn't apples to apples, but I went to look at one of these and my ride to the dealer was my friend's i3S. I was very disappointed with the interior materials considering the price point of the EV6 after hopping out of the i3S. It really felt like you were still in a Kia, which to me wasn't a compliment when the window sticker says $55k+. I want to go see an Ioniq5 in person to see if the Hyundai interior is better, I've always found theirs to be at least average or better.
Buyer Beware We bought the EV6 Wind RWD on April 2, 2022at Ball KIA San Diego. We love the way it looks, the way it drives, the modes and the room. We purchased it specifically because of the California CAV Carpool status and the 310 mile range. When I commuted to my work destination 134 miles away, the next day, on a 100% full charge; I had 13% battery and only 24 miles to go after I arrived to my final destination. I didn't drive extreme or in a hilly areas. Nothing different than the terrain and freeway speeds of Orange County where the KIA Corporate HDQ are located. I didn't have the heater or ac on anything more than normal. Needless to say I was peeved. I had to recharge in Compton and I'm glad my wife didn't have to do this. So here I am 3 weeks later, a new car that will not charge more than 215 est miles. The Mi/kwh is 2.3-3.4. KIA wont help, they keep giving me the runaround and telling me that the 310mile per charge is only an estimate. Even though the brochure says 310* plus/minus 10... KIA headquarters says 167 -310 est range. KIA wont help us, we have to do all of this investigation on our own, The Service managers, District Manager and Regional manager have not returned any of our calls, emails. We have been to 2 service centers and they are telling us that this 215 mile range is standard and correct for their long range Wind model (the 310 mile model) My wife and I believe that KIA has placed the EV6 Light Model Battery in the Wind Model Frame.
I've seen a test drive featuring the 430kw GT and Mr. Biermann himself. He said he has taken a liking towards I-pedal driving, but not how most customers would. He uses it to preload the front axle in corner entry to rotate the car. Interesting. Might try that in the GT line that is among the armada of boring cars we are currently testing. This is the most un-SUV like car we got. And for that I can applaud Kia. Ushering in a time where any shape is not a crossover, but simply referred to as "car".
Battery degradation is something to be considered that no one talks about.. if it's losing 5% of maximum charge every year, all the more reason to stay away from smaller EV batteries, for now. Holding on to my 2018 Civic S/T until something else efficient and sporty comes along. Thanks for another splendid review gentlemen.
Problem with battery degradation is it changes based on battery supplier, OEM software tuning and non accessible overhead built into pack design to accomidate for that. Car companies don't share that info or if they do its bits and pieces.
Ioniq5 wins it for me, just for the usable space. I'm not in the US so only have to deal with these cars not being very available and still being very pricy (even at MSRP). It's a great option for in the future but my current shitbox (Skoda non-lease) should have at least seven to ten years left and I don't think the gas prices (as high as they are in Europe) will make me consider a switch to EV before that car dies or become too expensive to maintain. Thanks for another thoughtful and great review
eventually maybe you guys can make a review/opinion of the differences of how many motors are in various vehicles. Are more motors better ? Are more motors more helpful in snow/ice driving ? What's the best choice in an affordable EV if we care not about 0-60 times.
@savagegeese Hello! You recommended that I buy an RDX earlier this year, and I did. I have been 100% happy with the choice, and your recommendation was spot on. I would like to know how this EV6 stacks up in the
Generally I would avoid first gen of any car, especially an EV. Their instrument design with the AC controls is really going to be frustrating in my eyes. But the dealer markup is a major turnoff but problem is people are bending their backs just to buy in the hype. Not the greatest idea. Still, Kia is trying and has come a long way. I am just glad they are making a 2023 stinger at least and didn't kill the car. Great review video also guys.
I'm not sure why every reviewer hates the HVAC controls. I think it's cool as hell. In my 2014 Mazda i set the temp to 70 on "auto" and leave it, never touch it. It does it correctly. Plan to do the same thing here, which cleans up the dash and it's still more accessible than menus on the screen. Seat controls are separate on the EV6, so they're right there for frequent adjusting. I think it's a great design.
have you driven the ev6? it is functionally terrible. Maybe you don't change the temp, but if any passenger needs to, they accidentally crank your volume, or they have to reach all the way over to switch it over to a different mode. I drove one for 30 minutes and we changed the wrong thing no fewer than 3 times, more like 5. It is absolutely the worst decision on the car.
I have driven it, have one on order. But your point is well taken. I've never really used the dual-zone feature in the past, so my use case is probably a little biased. Not to get too detailed, but I don't have the vents point at me, going for cabin-style cooling/heating rather than pointing the vent straight at the occupant. As my Mazda is essentially a Ford which is essentially an air-conditioner with a car around it, perhaps I'm used to a powerful HVAC system and have to adjust my expectations. But Kia/Hyundai's auto HVAC in their other cars (of which I've rented many K5's and Tuscon's recently) seem to work for my tastes, and my typical passengers (wife or co-workers) do not seem to want to change the temperature
@@snowe.. In the Mazda, i can turn off the A/C and it still keeps it on "AUTO" which is nice. It regulates fan speed, temp, and blower location logically for the set cabin temperature regardless of what it is outside. I've noticed with the rental Kia's that if I have it on Auto and turn off A/C, it takes it off Auto, which is annoying. Auto seems to default AC all the time regardless of temperature, something I'll have to explore further whenever the EV6 actually gets here (especially since all the accessories/HVAC would affect range, not something so noticeable with modern ICE cars).
For last decade I’ve been driving BMWs. Was looking to switch to EV for a while now. I test drove nearly all EVs from Tesla, Merc, BMW, VW, Taycans, you name it. Never have I considered KIA to be honest. Than I had it for a weekend, checked the specs, prices, warranty, the way it drives, it’s just no brainier- ordered it later the same week.
We just traded in my parents fully loaded 2020 x5 for an Ioniq 5. At first my parents were hesitant, especially my mom as she never thought of buying a Hyundai before. But we love the Ioniq. It’s drives so much nicer. As much as we loved the inline 6, it now seems so unrefined compared to an ev. We’re very happy we made the trade.
I'll be buying my first EV ~ 2030.. can't wait to see where these platforms going over the next decade. I look forward to all the other "early adopters" paying the way to work out the bugs and fund the charging infrastructure.
Yeah I don't see the appeal of electric cars with the current battery chemistry/technology. For the moment I'd rather hybrid corolla or something like that.
What is always a problem that there's corporate fascism behind it, whether green or black, so to speak. IC cars will likely become very expensive, niche, another thing that only the rich can afford, and the masses are left with more emotionally dead robot structures to keep them in worker bee mode. The technocracy sets out rats and then sells rat traps. They're both furthering the conquest of scarcity, i.e. fear.
The "early adopters" are getting cars that are MORE RELIABLE than ICE cars and PAYING LESS on fuel and maintenance. Add $7500 on top of that and it makes your aversion even less warranted. Just because EV's will get better, doesn't mean they're not already better than ICE for most people.
@@suserman7775 Tesla paved the way by installing chargers all across the country, ElectrifyAmerica is doing the same, which covers your long distance travel. EVGo, Blink, ChargePoint and whoever else is out there, has charging stations across cities, which not all DC Fast chargers or higher powered DC Fast chargers, they are growing. The EV space is a mind shift from how you typically “fuel” your vehicle. People get caught up on the range, while most people don’t drive long distances, while forgetting that you can plan your trip with charging stops. Going from a horse to a horseless vehicle, required a bit of learning curve and development of places to fuel. When gas got too expensive, we moved from the large v6 and V8 vehicles to 4 cylinder ones and over time their development improved. During the “improvements,” there were people that wanted to see if the new tech would work. This isn’t any different. If you want one get one, if you don’t need one, you can wait however, it doesn’t mean the stuff available now isn’t viable. Everything gets better with time. For now, I think the Koreans are doing a pretty good job with the size battery and range they get out of them. Tesla, Lucid and others started with their most expensive version, Hyundai/KIA, VW, Ford started in the middle, Chevy did the mid and lower end vehicles but the prices and looks didn’t quite meet what folks were expecting. Prices aren’t going to go back but one can hope that there will be improvement worthy of the price they are charging.
My dad saw 10 of these being unloaded from a truck at his local Kia dealer about 6 weeks ago. He came back the next day and they were all marked up $12K over MSRP. Cool car, but not worth paying for the stupid "regional market adjustments." I still prefer the Ioniq 5 overall, both inside and out.
Feels good not to be American reading about dealer markups on every car
I cannot understand why kia and Hyundai refuse to step in on their disgustingly bad dealer service
@@henrik1743 They do get the benefit of dirt cheap gasoline for regular ICE cars though.
I’ve had the same experience with greedy dealers. Told them to keep the damn thing. I ended up ordering a Tesla. Which has been out for a longer time and had most of the bugs worked out. Nothing is perfect.
@@iCoolaxe Yeah, in USA the fuel is still so cheap.
This review demonstrates why we need reviewers to dig into and point out the subtle differences between equivalent products. Those differences to interior materials and suspension set up are something you're going to live with day to day, while looks remain subjective. So glad for what you guys do.
This is actually one of the EVs I would consider buying, but I know the dealerships in the US are going to murder these in markups. Especially Kia dealerships they’re the worst you can go to, they’re always unprofessional.
Do you have a current vehicle to trade?
As someone who is a salesperson at a Kia dealership (in Canada mind you) I can confirm everything you just said. We do go out of our way here at our store to be different and the best experience (we don't do markups ect) but having frequent contact with the other Kia's around, it's crazy.
@@tinnyty not everyone can wait months for their next car though. It’s insane that consumers can’t just buy at msrp. Stuff like these stupid mark ups and haggling is why so many people are cheering for the death of the car dealership in general these days.
i was looking at them and just mark up and not including fees or taxes it was all the way to $50k! I ended up getting a used 2019 Mazda3 lol
My dealer keeps trying to buy my 3 yr old car (actually above market for trade in) but that wouldnt even cover the markups they're putting on new cars.
I’ve owned the EV6 AWD Wind for over a month now and city commuting in The OC SoCal averages between 285 and 295, while driving in Eco which is still by far faster and more responsive than my BMW 335i around town. In sport mode MPGe drops a bit but the instant power is addicting! Agree with your interior complaints. I’m ready to swap this for the EV6 GT coming in 6 months because 0-60 in 3.3 seconds is too good to pass up!
Must be nice.
Hi Stop the FOMO, I love your channel. A must see before buying a tv. Nice to see you have good taste in cars too!
why wouldn’t you just wait for the GT
@@shijima_ending because GT was announced after the EV6? also, because it's good to drive the car before the change? and last but not least you will be able to sell EV6 for probably more than sticker price 6 months ago? :D
@@shijima_ending these days there's practically zero financial reason to wait to buy any sought after car if you can get MSRP on it. Especially for an EV. The depreciation on the EV6 over one or two years I bet is comparable to if not less than the savings in fuel costs depending on how much you drive. If you pay the markups then yeah, you lose that as the new 'depreciation' amount to account for. Depreciation exists either as the time loss waiting for your new car to arrive or the markups you pay to drive one off the lot. Less of the depreciation exists against MSRP right now. Economics gets strange when supply gets interrupted.
Man over the years i love how Truthful this channel is. Respect it so much more and more. Everyone Braggin on this cars range but its people reviewing it in Cali. where its warm! Got more fast chargers.. im on East coast and in the Country and I WANT THE TRUTH! Its cold here where i live. I appreciate someone saying ( SG ) that we hear these good Miles for EV's but its not reality. Even this!
For many of us it _is_ reality. Far less than half the country lives in places with extreme winters. For the millions of folks who live in California, Florida, and Texas these ranges are realistic. What else should they advertise except the maximums? The cold weather ranges vary too much.
Those aren't bag hooks on the sides of the front console - they're for USB cord routing. I personally love that there's a difference between the EV6 and Ionic 5, as either car will appeal to different people for different reasons. A win for Hyundai/Kia.
Just saw the EV6 at the NY Auto Show last Saturday, the car looked awesome both inside and out, cannot believe now I love a Kia this much !!
Knowing the brutal North American Kia dealer experience these will be over MSRP and any issues they’ll try to weasel out on.
Yeah, sadly everyone I know personably who’ve bought a Kia, have horrible experiences with their dealer. They always have issues with warranty claims and bad service. And I’ve seen first hand the “market adjustments” the dealers put on so many of them. Sorry but I wouldn’t pay 1 penny over MSRP for a Kia… (wouldn’t do it for almost any vehicle honestly) It’s a shame too, cause Kia has an awesome lineup of vehicles.
you can take the dealership out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the dealership.
@@coejbee What Kia doesn't realize is the markups...suddenly that $50k Highlander Platinum is a pretty good deal compared to an overpriced Telluride with a cheap interior and all the engine recalls.
@@Smellslikegelfling FnA dude, thank you for saying that. I haven’t been able to put my feelings about that exact issue into words. This is a huge issue!
@@Smellslikegelfling telluride does not have a cheap interior, don’t know what your smoking on, and the telluride doesn’t have engine recalls.
I love how the front 3/4 of this car looks. Without anything for scale, it looks like a sporty, stylish hatchback.
The back however, is... something.
It looks better in real life, especially the taillights tucked into the creases. I had doubts from the pictures, but it's actually just fine.
@@markmiller3279 yep, I wasn't sure if I liked it or not, and it's pretty non-traditional. It does look very SUV-like.
@@markmiller3279 It looks worse irl in my opinion. Just looks like a wacky attempt at something
haha, I like the rear end design. Handsome in person to me.
Did no one else notice the Turbowski sighting at 08:35 or am I just old? Great review. If I had to I'd take the Ioniq over this just for the styling and our local Hyundai dealer being reportedly better equipped for service over the neighboring Kia dealership.
Yup that was a Turbowski sighting but from the old Soul ev video. Does anyone know what happened to him?
The legend of Turbowski endures
@@oOgy172 Turbowski made it big on the Powerball and hit the bricks
Bring back Turbowski !!!!!!
Watching Turbowski was like watching paint dry. That guy had less energy than a dead iPhone. Come on....
these electric cars finally bring out crazy designs that i actually enjoy.
I agree completely. I've seen a few EV6s and they look great in person. In pictures I didn't think the tail end looked good, but in person the taillights look sensational. The Ioniq5 really does remind me of classic Golfs and Alfas (and the Hyundai Pony), and those were cars I always liked. The diagonal crease is slightly goofy, but much less extreme than the current Elantra and Tucson, which really do look overstyled. I love the boxy practicality of the Ioniq5, with a seating position that must be near perfect.
What you 2 guys said about mazda, most ppl won't realize till you drive it - ie. the mx5 lets you slide for a solid 1-2secs then it'll kick in vs the on/off switch of Stability control cutting everything
Couldn't like this enough. My turbo 6 is the same way. The traction is never invasive and the stability system let's you have fun long before castration sets in.
Looks like Jack was out in the Grand Sport giving it the old "Italian tune-up." 12:44 😄
This just might be my favorite automotive channel. It's funny. It's comprehensive. The production values are great and Mark and Jack each don both the enthusiast hat and that of the average consumer.
Honestly, Hyundai and Kia did a lot more than Subaru or Toyota did when differentiating the BZ4X and the solterra
The Dodge/Plymouth Neon edit was 🔥🔥
3:35
Mark, I hope we can see more of those in the future
That edit was made using the Neon’s cpu
No, please don't make this channel into RCR. 👎
It wont
@@DoctorSkillz No, but please make this channel into Sliphantom, cant wait to see Mark play NFSU1 with garbo mods and only the Neon while he contemplates about his life decisions
Before the supply/chip shortages Kia and Hyundai dealers were known for dealer markups. Their was a Hyundai dealer in New Jersey that had a commercial saying that they will knock 30% off sticker but before they knock off the sticker they mark up the price by 25%
Their markups are worse now. They're marking up every vehicle.
I remember the guy in Joisey/NY who advertised all over (and in FL too) that "its gonna be "HUGE." he was famous for doing the same thing. Fuccillo.
Hey man I love your Dodge Stratus.
Bro I'd never drive a Stratus, it's a Plymouthe Breeze.
Breeze is for peasants. I drive a Chrysler Cirrus.
@@marclangman4836 A lot of clouds and wind blowing around right now.
I just test drove this car. I could not get comfortable in the driver's seat or the passenger's seat no matter how I tried to change the seat settings. Meanwhile, I found the IONIQ 5 instantly comfortable up front. For that reason alone I'd choose the 5 over the EV6, despite my preference for the EV6's overall exterior styling.
13:45 - Not to continue the Mazda circlejerk, but for a regular everyday car, their traction and stability control is damn near perfect. Other cars I've driven will absolutely kill any torque to the wheels if the slightest bit of slip is detected, which can be sketchy if you're pulling out into a busy road from a junction with a bit of gravel in the road. All of the sudden, it feels like your engine has stalled out even if you've floored it. The 5 different Mazdas I've driven from 2016 - 2021 all allow about 10-15% slip which feels so much safer and more predictable.
Not to mention really intrusive traction controls make it impossible to drive in snow. I went from a Mazda to a Kia and it's night and day. Also when you shut off tcs in a Mazda it's completely off. In a Kia it will still cut power, even with it turned off.
when they started complaining abt traction control i thought they shouldve hired mazda engineers, and then they compared it to Mazda lol
we really do circlejerk too much, but its earned imo, you can powerslide a cx9 with traction control on, and in the snow the ability of the car to naturally kick the ass end out and then bring it back in to get you to turn quickly is just a blessing
I’ve seen plenty of videos of the EV6 being thrown around with the TC on, not sure why Reviewers always have to cry about something most people don’t care about. The Koreans make their cars stupid proof. Can’t tell you how many times people fish tail in rain where I’m at and cause huge pile ups. Hell the aggressive TC saved my girlfriends life one day, don’t hate on a good thing.
Mazda is truly good, I agree. They really do seem to make cars for people who enjoy driving. Other than Miata, though, I felt like my CX5's fell apart after 8/10. WHen you push them that last little bit, you really notice the front end weight bias.
dealers aka Ed Voyles Kia in GA are adding $15000 to the msrp for GT line. And calling it a mandatory dealer addon. Needless to say, I said kiss my ass.
I am forever grateful that y'all thoroughly and conscientiously review consumer-y car options (knowing that these can run 60+ grand... but you get what I'm saying)
I love mine, but the ride can be a bit bouncy and harsh at high speed.
Definitely too much piano black plastic in the interior. But the matte gray paint looks stellar in person
LOL, "stellar". This is so sad-cynical, how people get excited about all cars turning primer gray. - Very telling about the direction the ruling class is herding us in. (NPC color)
@@Dowlphin it looks good, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean other people don’t nor does it mean you should be a douche bag about it
Many thanks for the Ioniq 5 and EV6 review’s in particular, we are still mulling over an EV or a hybrid vehicle and appreciate all that you guy’s are doing…….
You guys have a valid point in that EV's are the perfect city/suburban vehicles. Regenerative braking and the quietness/smoothness are perfect for that environment. I realized that driving my wife's Tesla Model 3. It's ideally suited for commuting around the Denver metro area.
Yup, ICE vehicles are optimized for higher consistent speed driving. That’s when they’re most efficient. An EV is great for getting around a city/suburban area.
Witness the people that will cause the deah of the automobile market
How is this any different to using a small displacement ICE? Why are people so keen to keep trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist while compromising usability?
@@pascutia EVs are fine for consistent driving at higher speeds if you aren’t doing a lot acceleration and deceleration. So as long as you are doing adaptive cruise control you’re good.
@@chidorirasenganz Yup, but that’s where range and finding a charging location becomes more concerning.
I would definitely choose the EV6 over the Ioniq5, but I am intrigued to see the third version of this car when the Genesis GV60 comes out.
The hood design on this is amazing, very attractive.
Kia/Hyundai has come a long way as a brand. They've really stepped up their game the last ten years or so.
Big ups to Kia for improving every year. Im starting to forget all the terrible cars.
Yeah you have to admire the progress
Being bought out by Hyundai was the best thing that ever happened to them.
LOl idiots still dwell in the past, you sound like Kia just started making good cars, you still live in 1980?
Yeah, props to Hyundai / Kia / Genesis...arguably the most competitive mainstream auto companies in the last 10 years..
3:37 I was dying of laughter, but good video.
love to see you folks do a comp with this, the Tesla 3 & the VW ID4. Here in NZ this is right in line with the base Tesla 3 on price.
It's funny you compare Kia/Hyundai to Chrysler/Plymouth. Because the dealer experience is about the same--perhaps the same guys are running them.
Probably are. Auto dealerships are usually owned by dealership groups that sell multiple brands.
But Mark! I like it when the four cylinder rattles myself when it struggles to accelerate onto highway on ramps in my Hyundai Elantra. :)
I can't image how much of my life has disappeared watching Savage geese videos. Time well spent
We just got the AWD Wind trim and love it. We put in a little bit of work and found one for MSRP. It’s a great daily driver. This, plus my LC500 and manual Tacoma Off-Raod make my perfect garage fleet.
Is it pronounced Wind or Wind?
@@DiscoFang , No, it's pronounced Wind.
@@Rocket9944 Ah. The Flatulence trim.
Another excellent video (from a Canadian Ioniq 5 (Ultimate)) driver. You always set the benchmark with your candid and insightful knowledge and commentary
Another bonus point for the Ioniq vs the EV6 : No shiny black plastic whatsoever
The Ioniq is more spacious and looks cooler imo.
I like the EV6, I have liked it since the concept was unveiled. I saw this, as the video suggests, an EV for normal car people... The elephant in the room is of course that KIA already had an amazing EV called the KIA Soul EV, and they decided not to sell it here. We have the Niro (ugh) and thankfully now,the EV6. But, the Soul is so recognizable, why did they decide not to sell it here?
I managed to get a brief wheel spin in a rented Kia Soul this weekend lol wasn't expecting it
Note that the Ioniq 5 Limited has an 8 speaker Bose system, not a 14 speaker Meridian system like the EV6. My son has the EV6 with the Meridian and I think it easily superior and more adjustable than the Bose in our I5.
Idk but the number of speakers doesn’t automatically determine if an audio system is better?
@@JTM610 Not saying that... Just saying the Meridian sounds better. I had a 14 speaker Alpine system in a past RAM 1500 that was way worse than the Honda Premium Sound in my Ridgeline.
I LOVED the ioniq's design. But i cant lie, this takes it design wise for me, even with the compromises.
Oh huh I was wondering who would ever want this ugly thing.
Saw one the other day, looks weird lol. I heard they’re gonna come out with a model with like 600 hp in the future, times are changing
This one does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. What more do you want?😏
@@davepaturno4290 I guess some soccer moms need to get their kids to soccer practice faster than that
Great job again guys, the only thing that I'm in the dark about is how the standard 13 speakers sound compared to the standard 6 speakers only sound in the
EV 6 Wind Trim VS the IONIQ SEL Trim ? (13 speakers sounds way cooler and better, but I really like that foot rest recliner bonus feature in the IONIQ)
I live in WV and was surprised that a dealership close by had 2 but of course with today's market, they had the price $5k over sticker.
Clicked because of the thumbnail, stayed because of the content. Great video!
I'm shocked Mark did not do a solid rant about the lack of a rear windshield wiper. Imagine driving this in anything but sunny weather and not being able to see out the back window after dropping 50k lol..
I think that's actually a cord management clip for your phone cable, and not a bag hook.
Aren't those bag hooks actually cable guides for phone charging cables?
Kia has been doing some great standard setting lately, so this might be the same.
I actually like the exterior way more then IONIQ, as well as some interior designs, but HVAC and piano-black is definitely a miss... They were trying too hard to make it special and that center part just doesn't work.
The floating center console is my favorite part of the interior. Test drove one and it feels like you are sitting in a cockpit. I liked it quite a bit.
Having to select different modes to see how the knobs work is idiotic. Whoever thought of that? So stupid.
@@leebr2010 you think it’s stupid, but people who buy the car love it
I'm not a big fan of electrics, and I'm not a big fan of CUVs/SUVs but I have to admit, the styling on these making them look more like hatchbacks is having an effect on me. The interiors too, I really like what they're doing
Kia styling is taut, like Audi of 15 years ago. And that is not a bad thing. 3:35 is the timely Easter Egg of 1980s video game graphics and midi chords I needed to stay awake.
Kinda just looks like a 4door Honda crz hybrid robot hatch thing they made, when you look at the rear 3/4
One comment on the EV6 GT-Line since my son has one and we have an I5 Limited. The ride difference is especially evident for rear seat passengers. This is when you notice the stiffer ride of the EV6 and the lower seating position. For a family or someone that has frequent rear seat passengers, the Ioniq 5 is a far better choice.
Both are great cars and charging monsters. In our I5 on a 1,300 mi return trip from FL, our total charging time (8 stops) was 1 hr and 54 mins. 230-240 kw speeds in the 50-70% charge range are common. One 16-86% charge took less than 17 minutes.
P. S. We paid MSRP. No markups in Western NY for these. The Kia dealer tried the usual Kia dealer fluff but we got it back to MSRP. Ioniq 5s are MSRP straight up.
This attracts people who love polished black plastic and who love to take eyes off road to adjust AC.
I passed on this car when looking around for a professional lease EV mostly because of headroom. I'm 1m92, so tall but still a fairly common size for North-Western Europe, and my head was barely not touching the roof lining. That also meant the seating in relation to the front windshield was damn near awkward, pretty much hampering visibility of things at a slight angle above me (like traffic lights). And I would have opted for the panoramic roof too, because it's almost a must (if the windows on these cars get any smaller, you'll feel like you're driving an armoured personel carrier). The Ioniq 5 suspension was way too soft, it was making everyone in the car, including myself motion sick.
The reason I went to look particulary to this, is my own car is a Kia (2022 Ceed SW) and I've always found it's great to drive (maybe that's just preference) but everything in that car is absolute magnificent value for the money. It was objectivively better for safety/tech/controls/DCT/etc. than my previous professional 2020 Volvo XC60 in every (except size). But, for a brand that does somewhat focus on keeping cars affordable (an art forgotten by VW, Skoda and the likes), if you start specing this car out, it quickly becomes overpriced compared to a Model Y. Which is really a faux-pas in the market Kia and Huyndai are aiming at.
In my Veloster Turbo it would be so much slower when it was extremely hot outside, but so much faster when it was extremely cold out in the winter. It was very noticeable. Just curious why everybody forgets about this when talking about EV's and range and power differences based on temperature? My MPGs would also go from 40 to 28 from summer to winter. Gas cars aren't immune to these things. A diesel engine can't even be started when its very cold, so you have to leave them running or use electric engine heaters to warm them up.
ummmm you should be using a electric car heating in winter on ANY vehicle....least here in canada....if your stupid enough not to than thats YOUR fault not the cars....as for the power loss n gain....thats your fault for buying a turbo vehicle also....
Also, you can run an EV's cabin heater while still plugged in, saving range in a way that would require idling an ICE.
@@questioner1596 My work commute is 5 miles so I usually don't preheat, only because I'm not able to offset the energy used for it in that short of a drive. I do warm up the cabin about a minute before I get in. It's nice having instant heat in an EV.
@@Scypher0th Calm down.
How well does it perform in the Rocky Mountains and snow?
Excellent informative reviews guys, makes the other car review channels look like kids joking around and playing with cars
Frickin Illinois. Mid-April at 33F and new slush on the ground. And yes, no chargers. Got the new battery pack on my Bolt but still did the buyback because we no longer need a 2nd car, and being in IL means I couldn't hand it over to one of the kids because they'll be in apartments for years and won't be able to charge it.
It's basically been 32 here in Pennsylvania and NY yesterday and today.
“Geared for the lowest common denominator,” hits the nail on the head for some of these dynamic problems.
This car is dead in the water because of one thing, and that’s the Kia dealership experience. Any remotely interesting product at every Kia dealership I’ve ever been to gets these massive markups and baloney add-ons. Then when you finally bite the bullet and decide to talk to a sales person the first things out of their mouth have nothing to do with the car you’re interested in, but rather how much do you want your monthly payment to be and do you want to fill out a credit app.
Yeah, and when you decide that a $10,000 markup isn't for you, that credit check will ding your credit rating. Hard pass on Hyundai/Ioniq/Kia until they get their dealerships under control. A markup on a limited production car like a GT4 or M2 CS is one thing, (sucky thing, BTW) but a big markup on a mass produced vehicle with the depreciation history of H/I/K is only something a sucker would pay. When you add it all up, you'd be in Tesla pricing territory, and they've been refining their lines for over ten years at this point.
Kia sold twice as many of these as they did rios last month and markups never stopped the tellurides success. I wouldn’t buy one with a markup because I have no issue searching around but they’ll still sell everyone they make at the end of the day. Only the dealers that do extreme $15-$20k markups will have maybe 4 or 5 sitting on a lot. Either way, a $40-$70k kia is outselling the $17k subcompact, times have changed because they build great cars
The Koreans have some crazy momentum the last couple years in terms of innovation and quality. Very cool to see.
Went to the NY International Auto Show today and sat/rode in both the EV6 and Ioniq 5. I feel like I’m one of the few people out there who prefer the EV6 to the Ioniq 5. The Ioniq 5 is great, especially the exterior styling/funky LED, but I wasn’t a fan of the interior. For example, the white bezel is flat out ugly and the bench like front seats remind me of my mom’s minivan.
The EV6 just seems… cooler inside and out. I have no issue with the HVAC/multimedia integration and the ride, albeit a very short ride, was good enough for my taste. It’s not harsh by any means. Also tried the Volvo XC40 Recharge, but holy shit that little CUV is $60K and it’s smaller and with less range. With how much the mainstream manufacturers have improved in recent years, that Volvo didn’t feel much more premium than the Kia - I know that’s a crazy statement. I’m seriously considering it.
I have an EV6 on order. The EV6 is good looking (better in person than in photos), but I like the Ioniq 5 exterior better. On the other hand, I like the EV6 interior better. My wife likes EV6 better both inside and out so that ended up being the deciding factor.
In addition, the Australian EV6 has a custom suspension tune that is better resolved and more tightly controlled without being harsh.
When comparing the interior and exterior of two cars it would be good to show what you're comparing to, we haven't watched the other video recently in most cases 😊
I saw my first Kia EV6 yesterday. Kind of striking visually.
Any chance you have a review of the Polestar 2 coming out soon?
I prefer the Hyundai Ioniq 5…….mostly for interior room.
Very comfy
15:33 great review and nice final thoughts! Thank you for sharing! 🔌⚡🚘
That screen setup is such a nicer looking version of what VW tried to do with the Golf 8s.
It's also very similar to most modern Mercedes screens. I suspect most automakers will eventually end up with something similar, as it makes a lot of sense. They can put an expansive rear view on there for backing, as well as side mirror views when you engage the turn signals, like Hyundai/Kia are already doing.
I like the exterior and interior better on the EV6. Not that I dislike the Ionic 5. Just prefer the aerodynamic futuristic look.
Great review! I test drove an EV6 recently and it is a lot of fun. I’ll stick with my ICE Audi for road trips and I don’t want to pay $60k for a runabout. Maybe the Niro EV for $35k after the tax credit is a better fit for me.
Mini SE is actually the perfect city car and it's still eligible for the full $7500 federal tax credit this year, making it the cheapest EV. The real range for me is 120 to 140 highway vs city easily and since I charge at home or occasionally at work the range is a nonissue.
Great review as usual. Though I have to say that there is a certain irony in qualifying statements about charging networks according to the buyer’s location. Ideally, the point of such a network is to give the user an experience that isn’t geographically unpredictable. But they have yet to deliver on such a system.
True, but the network has been growing rapidly, and should continue to grow as sales increase. They have concentrated so far on places where EV sales are high and parts of the Interstate system.
Most people are buying BEVs for local driving, not for long-distance driving. Most BEV owners who do lots of long-distance driving keep an ICEV or PHEV for that purpose. The point of having the 800-volt architecture is, of course, fast DC charging, but the public-charging infrastructure isn't there yet. Maybe in 3-5 years...
1 year later the Ioniq 5 and 6 are readily available under MSRP and with incentives. Good things come to those who wait 8/2023
Amazing, an EV from a regular brand that I would actually consider. I quite like the styling of it (not as much as the Polestar 2 though) and the small hatch space wouldn't really matter much as I never haul stuff anyway. And as long as the seats are comfortable I'd prefer a more direct handling vehicle rather than the softer Ioniq.
The hatch space is actually pretty big - just smaller than that in the Ioniq5.
Boy was I impressed with this review. No BEV bashing. No BEV adoration. Just accurately pointing out strengths and weaknesses as they exist today.
Saw one in person yesterday. Looks better in person
The time is way overdue for KIA/CORP. to due a major clean-up of your dealerships. I have had three KIA's . They have been great Cars, I am now driving a 2014 KIA Soul + and it was purchased as the other two from our local Dealer here i in Yuma. But the local dealership was sold to a group that also owns the Hyundai store. Service has been down hill since. Example: There was a factory call-back which I had done by the new Dealer. At that time I had 63,000 miles on my car. When I picked up my car, I was told by the service manager that my car needed a complete brake Job and the car was not even safe to drive, He said that the rotors and pads were completely worn out. I found that hard to believe and took it to my local tire dealer for their thoughts. They pulled the wheels and gauged the discs and pads and it was determined that they brakes still had at least another40,000 miles of wear left. I just turned 78000 miles and the brakes still a long way to go. So KIA wake up! and clean up your dealership's. Remember A vehicle is only as good as it's dealers, At this time I doubt that I would buy another KIA. The more I think about, the more I feel that buying direct is the only way to go.
Feedback for future videos, for some reason the mic sounded like it was in your mouth in this video. Not normal for this channel. Just wanted you to know. To be specific, it was only an issue on the intro. Everything else sounded great.
the thing i like about the ioniq5 is the small center console making it easy to move to either side of the front cabin in case of emergencies
Great vid as usual but I didn't hear much comparison with the tesla cars. (Model 3, Y).
I realize this isn't apples to apples, but I went to look at one of these and my ride to the dealer was my friend's i3S. I was very disappointed with the interior materials considering the price point of the EV6 after hopping out of the i3S. It really felt like you were still in a Kia, which to me wasn't a compliment when the window sticker says $55k+. I want to go see an Ioniq5 in person to see if the Hyundai interior is better, I've always found theirs to be at least average or better.
Great timing! Was just cross shopping this with a Hummer H1.
Buyer Beware
We bought the EV6 Wind RWD on April 2, 2022at Ball KIA San Diego. We love the way it looks, the way it drives, the modes and the room. We purchased it specifically because of the California CAV Carpool status and the 310 mile range. When I commuted to my work destination 134 miles away, the next day, on a 100% full charge; I had 13% battery and only 24 miles to go after I arrived to my final destination. I didn't drive extreme or in a hilly areas. Nothing different than the terrain and freeway speeds of Orange County where the KIA Corporate HDQ are located. I didn't have the heater or ac on anything more than normal. Needless to say I was peeved. I had to recharge in Compton and I'm glad my wife didn't have to do this. So here I am 3 weeks later, a new car that will not charge more than 215 est miles. The Mi/kwh is 2.3-3.4.
KIA wont help, they keep giving me the runaround and telling me that the 310mile per charge is only an estimate. Even though the brochure says 310* plus/minus 10... KIA headquarters says 167 -310 est range.
KIA wont help us, we have to do all of this investigation on our own, The Service managers, District Manager and Regional manager have not returned any of our calls, emails. We have been to 2 service centers and they are telling us that this 215 mile range is standard and correct for their long range Wind model (the 310 mile model) My wife and I believe that KIA has placed the EV6 Light Model Battery in the Wind Model Frame.
I've seen a test drive featuring the 430kw GT and Mr. Biermann himself. He said he has taken a liking towards I-pedal driving, but not how most customers would. He uses it to preload the front axle in corner entry to rotate the car. Interesting. Might try that in the GT line that is among the armada of boring cars we are currently testing. This is the most un-SUV like car we got. And for that I can applaud Kia. Ushering in a time where any shape is not a crossover, but simply referred to as "car".
imagine adding f1 v10 sound to this pure eargasm
Battery degradation is something to be considered that no one talks about.. if it's losing 5% of maximum charge every year, all the more reason to stay away from smaller EV batteries, for now. Holding on to my 2018 Civic S/T until something else efficient and sporty comes along. Thanks for another splendid review gentlemen.
Problem with battery degradation is it changes based on battery supplier, OEM software tuning and non accessible overhead built into pack design to accomidate for that. Car companies don't share that info or if they do its bits and pieces.
Ioniq5 wins it for me, just for the usable space.
I'm not in the US so only have to deal with these cars not being very available and still being very pricy (even at MSRP).
It's a great option for in the future but my current shitbox (Skoda non-lease) should have at least seven to ten years left and I don't think the gas prices (as high as they are in Europe) will make me consider a switch to EV before that car dies or become too expensive to maintain.
Thanks for another thoughtful and great review
OMG my ears with the Neon. Thanks for that.
Looks good but the dealer experience and mark-up will definitely be limiting sales
eventually maybe you guys can make a review/opinion of the differences of how many motors are in various vehicles. Are more motors better ? Are more motors more helpful in snow/ice driving ? What's the best choice in an affordable EV if we care not about 0-60 times.
Thats the next frontier, more motors are better.
Was that a Scott Turbowski Cameo when comparing Kia Soul and EV?
@savagegeese Hello! You recommended that I buy an RDX earlier this year, and I did. I have been 100% happy with the choice, and your recommendation was spot on. I would like to know how this EV6 stacks up in the
Generally I would avoid first gen of any car, especially an EV. Their instrument design with the AC controls is really going to be frustrating in my eyes. But the dealer markup is a major turnoff but problem is people are bending their backs just to buy in the hype. Not the greatest idea. Still, Kia is trying and has come a long way. I am just glad they are making a 2023 stinger at least and didn't kill the car. Great review video also guys.
I have been relying on steering wheel volume controls since my 2003 honda accord coupe so i Dont get why you need to touch a volume knob
I'm not sure why every reviewer hates the HVAC controls. I think it's cool as hell. In my 2014 Mazda i set the temp to 70 on "auto" and leave it, never touch it. It does it correctly. Plan to do the same thing here, which cleans up the dash and it's still more accessible than menus on the screen. Seat controls are separate on the EV6, so they're right there for frequent adjusting. I think it's a great design.
have you driven the ev6? it is functionally terrible. Maybe you don't change the temp, but if any passenger needs to, they accidentally crank your volume, or they have to reach all the way over to switch it over to a different mode. I drove one for 30 minutes and we changed the wrong thing no fewer than 3 times, more like 5. It is absolutely the worst decision on the car.
I have driven it, have one on order. But your point is well taken. I've never really used the dual-zone feature in the past, so my use case is probably a little biased. Not to get too detailed, but I don't have the vents point at me, going for cabin-style cooling/heating rather than pointing the vent straight at the occupant. As my Mazda is essentially a Ford which is essentially an air-conditioner with a car around it, perhaps I'm used to a powerful HVAC system and have to adjust my expectations. But Kia/Hyundai's auto HVAC in their other cars (of which I've rented many K5's and Tuscon's recently) seem to work for my tastes, and my typical passengers (wife or co-workers) do not seem to want to change the temperature
@@pontoon_cat hmm. Ok then! What about switching from a/c to heat though? We have to do that pretty often in Colorado.
@@snowe.. In the Mazda, i can turn off the A/C and it still keeps it on "AUTO" which is nice. It regulates fan speed, temp, and blower location logically for the set cabin temperature regardless of what it is outside. I've noticed with the rental Kia's that if I have it on Auto and turn off A/C, it takes it off Auto, which is annoying. Auto seems to default AC all the time regardless of temperature, something I'll have to explore further whenever the EV6 actually gets here (especially since all the accessories/HVAC would affect range, not something so noticeable with modern ICE cars).
I'm waiting for smaller variations, and hopefully solid state to fix the weight issues.
For last decade I’ve been driving BMWs. Was looking to switch to EV for a while now. I test drove nearly all EVs from Tesla, Merc, BMW, VW, Taycans, you name it.
Never have I considered KIA to be honest. Than I had it for a weekend, checked the specs, prices, warranty, the way it drives, it’s just no brainier- ordered it later the same week.
We just traded in my parents fully loaded 2020 x5 for an Ioniq 5. At first my parents were hesitant, especially my mom as she never thought of buying a Hyundai before. But we love the Ioniq. It’s drives so much nicer. As much as we loved the inline 6, it now seems so unrefined compared to an ev. We’re very happy we made the trade.
Wow, the Kia bots are really out in force today 😂
Talking about “My parents used to drive a Rolls Royce, but now they bought a new Ioniq from Kia!”
@@moloono1 lol, come on. What if they are telling the truth?
You cross shopped a Porsche with a Kia.....yeah ok bro.
@@YouWillNeverKnow exactly. i was a fan of german luxury, but korean economy is just too good to pass up! haha.
I'll be buying my first EV ~ 2030.. can't wait to see where these platforms going over the next decade. I look forward to all the other "early adopters" paying the way to work out the bugs and fund the charging infrastructure.
I’m just going to start skipping gears when upshifting to keep revs under 2K if gas gets any more whacky.
Yeah I don't see the appeal of electric cars with the current battery chemistry/technology. For the moment I'd rather hybrid corolla or something like that.
What is always a problem that there's corporate fascism behind it, whether green or black, so to speak. IC cars will likely become very expensive, niche, another thing that only the rich can afford, and the masses are left with more emotionally dead robot structures to keep them in worker bee mode.
The technocracy sets out rats and then sells rat traps. They're both furthering the conquest of scarcity, i.e. fear.
The "early adopters" are getting cars that are MORE RELIABLE than ICE cars and PAYING LESS on fuel and maintenance. Add $7500 on top of that and it makes your aversion even less warranted. Just because EV's will get better, doesn't mean they're not already better than ICE for most people.
@@suserman7775 Tesla paved the way by installing chargers all across the country, ElectrifyAmerica is doing the same, which covers your long distance travel. EVGo, Blink, ChargePoint and whoever else is out there, has charging stations across cities, which not all DC Fast chargers or higher powered DC Fast chargers, they are growing. The EV space is a mind shift from how you typically “fuel” your vehicle. People get caught up on the range, while most people don’t drive long distances, while forgetting that you can plan your trip with charging stops.
Going from a horse to a horseless vehicle, required a bit of learning curve and development of places to fuel. When gas got too expensive, we moved from the large v6 and V8 vehicles to 4 cylinder ones and over time their development improved. During the “improvements,” there were people that wanted to see if the new tech would work. This isn’t any different. If you want one get one, if you don’t need one, you can wait however, it doesn’t mean the stuff available now isn’t viable. Everything gets better with time. For now, I think the Koreans are doing a pretty good job with the size battery and range they get out of them. Tesla, Lucid and others started with their most expensive version, Hyundai/KIA, VW, Ford started in the middle, Chevy did the mid and lower end vehicles but the prices and looks didn’t quite meet what folks were expecting. Prices aren’t going to go back but one can hope that there will be improvement worthy of the price they are charging.