The Digitech BAD MONKEY Pedal Hype | What Josh Scott ISN'T telling you... And what HE ACTUALLY IS...
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Having been a Salesman, Guitar Department Manager and Manager of a few stores I have had a LOT of experience with this pedal!
It's NOT what they want you to think!
This is what JHS (Josh H. Scott) is very intelligently telling you (and hiding from you...)
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I don’t think Josh said the Bad Monkey is as good as a Klon Centaur; his point is usually that you can get good sounds out of almost every pedal.
Exactly!
yup...and given how subjective this all is, it's pretty impressive (and he's dang funny)...
Hahaha oh yeah!!
He basically showed that they are the same. He said to comment if you can tell the difference.
@@endezeichengrimmOnly one that sounded different to my ears was the morning glory...
Well that’s often the problem. Guitar players are more concerned about what other players uses rather than trying out what works for them.
100%. We also tend to want to sound like someone else…. For the longest time I tried to sound like Brian May but very early on I found that the closer I sounded like Brian the less it suited my style …
@@PatPosse i hear you. It’s is a journey we all have to walk. The end of that journey is to find your own voice. Some will walk it for a lifetime without ever reaching the finish line.
@@John_Doe657 100%, I've known great players who were never happy with their tone.. one of them actually committed suicide cause he could never find the tone on his head...
Fun Fact - It's NOT hard (and certainly NOT impossible) to achieve Identical sounds from 6 different pedals. You'd be Amazed at what just a little knob tweaking will accomplish.
Totally. I think it’s pretty hard but then again, I’m not very patient lol. I just try to sound good through whatever rig I’m playing and that’s it, I’ve never actually sat there trying to make two pedals sound the same 😅. But it’s all definitely in the knob tweaking. There might be some post EQ’ing, who knows…
i find that knob tweaking can be interesting too..
oh wait.. erm
let me rethink that statement
Josh didn’t do anything other than show that the magic behind specific pedals doesn’t exist. If one takes the time to learn about circuits you’d surprise yourself how much doesn’t matter. Superstitious guitar players thinking if they get a piece of gear, they’ll finally get respect and attention 😂
That's exactly it. They are all looking for that "talent at the push of a button" piece of gear that does not exist....
One of the problems is that as guitar players, we are totally into status. People drool over a high dollar PRS or Gibson, when you can do the same thing on a cheaper guitar. That's why the high dollar Klon stays high and doesn't come down.
That’s true. I love my Gibsons but I was just as able to play on my epiphones before…
I’ve been asking that question about why did the BM go up in price instead of the Klon come down but hey, if broke guitarists want to waste their money on status symbols instead of using their ears then that’s their choice..🙄
@@muzerino Totally, more power to them!
Anyone that didn't jump on the train when Phil X was using one for the Fretted Americana videos, doesn't deserve a Bad Monkey.
Some people just make it work!
Totally! It's fantastic pedal. I've had mine since 2008 and wouldn't sell it for any amount of money
I doubt very much Josh Scott is holding back anything.
Me too
Looking forward to rest of the vid.
Good stuff.
Josh exists in " Tongue-in-cheek" mode perpetually.
What he showed:
that the often maligned, $59 pedal was capable of getting at least one tone that was basically indistinguishable from that same tone on exponentially more expensive choices. Proving the thing isn't total trash and indeed has some great sounds.
Edit: now that I have watched the entire piece, your closing question is the true focus of the entire fiasco.
The high dollar stuff is not being consumed for actual performance - more for the mythology, the history, the hype.
Collectors set the price on the $1k and above market while many, many more frugal buyers affect the prices on the $50-several hundred-dollar range, due to different priorities.
Sub'd, BTW
Hey bud, Thanks for subbing! Josh is the man, no doubt! A lot of times a pedal is dismissed simply because of it's brand or price point even though it might be a very useful pedal... Funny how some people will be more inclined to go for a 1000 dollar pedal before even. trying out "el cheapo" one! hahaha
I love the line "...you had 19 years and didn't care..." He is spot-on with this.
Hahaha yes!! Classic.
I think a lot of it is psychological. I mean I watched a video that Tom Bukovac put out talking about how Joe Walsh could care less what guitar he performs with because no matter what it is he’s gonna sound like Joe Walsh. He said he could take a $100 guitar and a $5000 guitar and it’s won’t matter to him because you are gonna sound like you.
I agree 100% I sound pretty much the same (for better or worse) on any given rig... the thing is, I try to tweak the knobs until I find something that works (and that's pretty much the same sound lol)
Do you think Jimi Hendrix could shred a great song / solo on a guitar from the dollar store? Yes he absolutely could… The point is you can get usable sounds even out of crappy equipment if you know what you’re doing and care enough to try…
THIS, 100% ! Some People missed the point of my video but you got it! It’s not the gear! Sometimes you can make cheap stuff work great (and viceversa lol)
Your right and, as, josh says, just use, your, ears. If it sounds good it is, good but the vast majority of people are heard mentally
Exactly! It's a shame really...
The thing that differentiates an overdrive is not how they behave when you strum oower chords with exactly same dynamics. Rather it is the way it responds to picking dynamics. And how the trailing dissipates naturally without grainy artifacts .
So yeah Josh's "comparison " was really tongue in cgeek trolling.
Otherwise yes - listen with your ears.
Haha Josh is the master of trolling!
I hate how brand focussed people are on average, this was my first pedal and as long as ive been using it "you should get X" the x being whatever is "it" at the time.
And now "lemme try it" or "why not sell it now?"
Just get the tone you vibe with and works in a mix and move on people....
Damn straight my dude! It's all about finding a sound you love and then tweaking it to make it better every time. It's all about the playing anyways...
Josh seems as irritated as hype surrounding certain pedals as the rest of us, and wants to promote the idea of simply playing with them for enjoyment-which is strange, coming from a guy who sells them. But I like the guy.
I just wished he would have keyed in on what the differences were in that video
Haha that very fact makes me respect the dude a bit more. He makes great content and he is not trying to sell you JHS pedals all the time (or any pedals for that matter) which is a fresh take on these big channels…
Josh is awsome, JHS makes great pedals and he is talented as well.
I second that!!
I have owned jhs pedals and have never kept them because they suck. They actually suck the tone right out of your guitar and they are noisy as hell.
That sucks. I’ve never actually owned one but I have high hopes for when I do…
@@erpringle sure it's not your guitar or amp. I have zero complaints.
Mike J restoring the fate!
Most guitarists are stupid. They gotta have it all only to relist it all on reverb. 🤣
Hahahaha 🤣🤣
i think josh is trolling us. and we all fell for it. its just a circuit...not magic
Hahaha yes
what I love about Josh Scott's judgment on pedals is that he can basically talk crap about and praise pedals in any price point because he both can afford them all. He's always made the point that pedals like the Bad Monkey and also a Behringer fuzz can actually sound good. The videos aren't "Check this pedal out, it's a hidden gem that you've never even realized and you should buy it now", the videos are trying to tell us that "If this pedal can sound good and can sound like this 5k pedal on certain settings, then other cheap and neglected pedals might be able to do the same so you should try to keep an open mind to cheap pedals, even ones you disregarded in the past"
Exactly !!
A 5150 is not my cup of tea but I could understand its price skyrocketing. A 5150 is associated with a great musician, but a bad monkey is just associated with another pedal.
Lol that’s true. 5150 has always been popular amongst metal players and you could always find one at any metal oriented recording studio. It’s always had a healthy fandom but then after EVH passed away, boom! 4x the price!
Maybe it's.......wait for it..........JUST ANOTHER GOOD SOUNDING OVERDRIVE???????? THAT'S ALL IT IS!!!!!!! IT'S NOT A MAGIC BOX FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION!!!!!! IT'S WORTH ABOUT $50!!!!!!!!!!! GOD, YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Hahaha yup. That’s all it is!
Good points. I’ve always thought the Klon was overpriced, but now I wouldn’t even buy one for $200. I’ll be holding on to my trusty TS9. Thanks man, I subscribed 🤘
Hell yeah TS9 rules! That being said, the Klon is not a bad pedal at all… just a bit… emm overhyped. I got a cheap klon clon and (aside from the fact that it’s noisy AF) it’s pretty awesome. I mean, it does the job 🤘🏻.
Thanks for watching and commenting (and subbing like a MAN! 💪🏻)
Got one of these years ago for like $40. Didn’t like how it sounded on guitar versus my TS9. Not bad, just kinda... meh. Some guy a town over offered services to tweak it to work for bass guitar for $25. It sounds freaking awesome on bass now! So for $65, got a modded bass distortion/OD pedal that nails the sound needed for a rock songs like Beastie Boys "Sabotage" 😁 It lives on my bass pedal board
I also favor the TS9 but it’s not a bad pedal at all!! You got a DEAL!!
I bought a Bad Monkey around 2016/7 for 25€. Used but brand new, inside the original Box! I'm using it with guitar and also with bass! great pedal! Better than Tube Screamer for me because of the EQ control!
A lot of people actually prefer it over the TS… I’m partial to the Ibanez or Maxon but I definitely understand why people would love it more. The EQ is a great benefit!
Man, I pressed Pauss button at 2:42, ordered one at Taobao page. You know what! The price is 138 Chinese Yuan including shipping and return shipping secure, that means, only 20 bucks in exchange. With the approval of you and Josh, it can be no problem! In fact, I noticed this little thing a couple of months ago, while searching for cheap Clone Klon. The KTR clone I bought is about 55 bucks. It's a little big in size. I'm going to replace it with this little silver horse. Thank you for your video!
Haha nice!! I hope you enjoy it! I certainly do 💪🏻🤘🏻
@@PatPosse And by the way, I forgot to say that you have what a strong talking ability! Yeah, I enjoyed listening to your talking. Nice pleasure!
@@Liushenfanushui Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed the video and welcome to the channel! Hope to see more of your comments around! Enjoy the silver horse!
Imagine a pedal that is based on the Bad Monkey circuit but offers a 3 band EQ section that is also a pedal (switchable) based on the SD-1 circuit but with a 3 band EQ. Internal dip switches to get another, glassier, tone option for both circuits. Enter the Wampler Triumph.
NICE. !
What I think is telling about this, is the amount of the Bad Monkey pedals advertised are mint with their original boxes. This says to me they were bought and not used and put away in a cupboard somewhere. Try finding a mint Tube Screamer they have all lived a life on a pedal board!.
That’s a GREAT observation and a 100% true!!
I'm in a couple pedal groups on fb and you get so many trend followers. 'People are talking about x pedal so I bought one while it was only 2x the normal price and IT'S COMPLETED MY BOARD.'
Yeah… it’s stupid really but what are you gonna do? Same happens with everything, from music to clothing… how many people pay outrageous prices for shoes or shirts only because of a certain logo or brand..
Honestly if you listen to the wording he does tell you it's just one sound, in each case he finds something the BM also does well. People who spend big money on pedals they haven't tried are insane; I buy them, take them home, AB them, make sure they work with my gear, then I decide. The odd time I have to get in my car and return one, no big deal. I doubt anyone who paid thousands for a Klon can even play.
Sadly I suspect the same thing. I don’t think most players can afford to pay 4,5k for a Klon and they just become more of a rarity/investment than an extension of someone’s playing… sad really. You are doing the right thing though, sit there and really give it a chance. Chances are, you’ve probably researched it online and watched a few UA-cam videos to give you an idea of what it does and how it does it anyway…
I have a Bad Monkey. It’s been sitting on the shelf for years! I’ll sell it for 7k if anyone’s interested 😂
Haha make that money! I’d say shoot for a realistic price and get rid of it while you can 😉
Intentionally or not, he has definitely done a lot for victims of pedal snobbery. When I was in highschool (early to mid '90s) BOSS was good, D.O.D. was garbage, and the boutique pedals were for rich kids and rock stars, according to some guitar friends of mine. It was supposedly embarrassing to own D.O.D. pedals. I wish I didn't care so much about other people's opinions so much back then, because they made an envelope filter that I really liked...
100% I love how he LOVES a pedal brand I've always liked and always got made fun of by "snobs" Danelectro! They have some cool pedals in some vintage looking formats that just work! and they are very affordable! I got a Cool Cat Metal II pedal that always surprises the hell out of everyone who checks it out in my studio!
This is true for a lot of equipment, you don't need $5000 guitars, you don't need $5000 amplifiers, you don't need $5000 pedals. Learn how to play your instrument. L O L.
Preach brother!!
You're profiting from it aren't you? 8.5k views in a couple days. It's both funny and sad what UA-cam has become. But, it's all about the game...
I'm not entirely sure if you are referring to something in particular... But, just so you know.. 8.5k in a couple of days may seem like a lot 9and it is for a small channel like mine) but I make more money from one hour of guitar lessons over zoom than what UA-cam will pay me for this video. I didn't make this video because it was trendy but because I had something to say and experience to share.
The Bad Monkey is a kick arse pedal and better than the TS-9. Its not as harsh sounding as the TS-9 and is smoother.. much more pleasurable to listen too.
I am partial to the TS9 but I get what you mean! I dig them both
I never liked the Bad Monkey when it came out. Not my cup of tea. A video isn’t going to change my opinion. I tried all of those digitech/DOD pedals when I was a kid. I was more of a hardcore punk/metal kid back then and I really loved the grunge pedal. I wish I still had mine but I probably played it until it broke. It had a great sound for fast high gain heavy music. Run a noise gate behind it & it gets precise & articulate, especially for stop & go type stuff. I liked it way better than all the “metal” pedals of the time.
That’s the way it should be but people go nuts for fads! Maybe most people never played one (let’s give them the benefit of the doubt) but I have and I was not impressed… like Josh said, we had 19 years and we didn’t care. I still don’t care lol
More specifically I think Josh said the amount of settings was key. That any overdrive pedal with more settings can sound like almost any other overdrive pedal with fewer settings
That makes a lot of sense. It’s been a while since that video came out but that sounds about right…
Make hay while the Sun is shining. Obviously there are people waiting to be told what to buy and why and how much, Guitars are super hip now and pedals are the accessories you need to find your "True sound" it's all marketing.Listen to what was achieved with a wah pedal and fuzz box....okay and a tape echo.
You are completely right. We were talking on a different comment about how our heroes didn’t have access to so many choices or even so many quality instruments/accessories/amps and still managed to make awesome music. Pedals are cool but that’s not where talent is. Thanks for commenting brother!
Thank you! Ive been trying to explain this to some people for weeks. Now i can just send them this video link!
Ive had pedals that were so poorly made that to get the right spot, i had to wedge cigarette filters under the knobs to hold them in place. But, it hit that tone . That was what mattered at the time. Of course a hand-made pedal with quality materials and good features will cost more. The real indicator of the value is always going to be the resale market. It's worth what someone will pay. Supply and demand will determine that in the end. Great video!
Thank you very much! Glad to help 😁. I am 100% with you on that… a cheap pedal can ABSOLUTELY get you to the perfect tone 💪🏻
The difference between cheap pedals and more expensive, almost never shows, or is shown in head to head shootout. Tone, is only part of it. Cheap pedals typically have a much worse noise floor, which REALLY shows in an actual pedal chain. Cheaper pedals are made with cheaper components, and thus just don't last. And particularly for something like Klon/Klone, they won't react the same, at all setting, with the same touch, feel and response. All of which is rarely shown in a head to head, like he did.
You are exactly right. Same happens with guitars, a lot of it is on the feel and the way it’s built. More reliable electronics, etc… but that doesn’t really show on a shoot out video…
It isn't that complicated. Expensive gear stays expensive because it's a status symbol, or a collector's item.
And people like to throw money at their lack of talent 😅
btw.....Stop blaming Josh. Blame the idiots that charge and pay these prices.
Of course… Josh is not to blame here.
My experience has been different with the 5150 head. I had the 120w head (granted it had the signature, not block letters), freshly serviced with new tubes, and matching 4x12 cab and I had to take $900 for both. The shipping is too expensive so it's only local buyers, and almost everyone in my area has moved to silent stage and IEMs. Hard to sell a big amp nowadays.
There’s definitely something to that. I’ve got a triple Rectifier I can’t unload cause it’s too heavy and loud for lost people…
I think most musicians are simply snobs and believe that they have a gift and hear the differences what the various myths and marketing teams created. This is why the prices where they are. I got my bad monkey because it was dirt cheap, had an awesome name and sounded as an TS clone should. Also it always appeared to be like a "working musician's weapon", the kind of stuff people use on the road which shows that the sound is adequate and the design is sturdy. Let's face it, majority of musicians rarely see a studio, so there is little point to use items on stage which cannot even be insured against damage.
Sad but true.
If u thought he intended for ppl to lose their shit ur wrong. Ppl just nuts man. He could say I like digitech x series metal master and it'll be sold out going for 500 a piece lol.
I never thought that… I defended him throughout the video and blamed the dumbasses overpaying for stuff 🤣
I remember when these were $20-$25. That's around what I bought and sold mine for years ago.
I think it might go back down to that…
I like the Bad Monkey tone stack over the other Tube Screamer tone stack.
I prefer bass, so independent bass and treble controls are more a must than a dry control (usual addition to make a bass version of a pedal).
Sincerely
Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.
Thanks Mike for your input. Sure, that makes sense !
It's just stupid to think expensive equals better.
It just shows that the majority of people don't know how to use their ears and their gear.
Exactly!! I can’t tell you as a teacher and salesman how many times people have tried to throw money at something to get better at guitar at the hit of a button only to find out that it doesn’t work that way…
There's a sucker born every minute. But wait, you can't just have one bad monkey, you have to buy 2 and stack them.
HAHA YES and a 3rd one as a spare just in case!
The stock market and home prices too act the same way. And, in school, learned in a marketing class if one wants to sell something, try raising the price first. People are funny that way.
That’s so true!! Raise the price, give the illusion of high value, then lower if needed. As far as home prices goes, a home is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I guess same applies to out of production pedals (and vintage guitars!)
Also, this is a great demonstration of the Bad Monkey. I was floored when I saw it a few years back. ua-cam.com/video/W6l21rEx2ik/v-deo.html
Nice!
I wonder how many people are going to be trying to return or resale $300 bad monkeys in 6 months 😂😂😂
Probably a lot! hahaha I wonder how many will actually resale it for a profit... I think most people will just keep it before they take the hit.
Th3 biggest victim in this is Digitech, all this money is secondary market BS
True. They sold cheap and now they are overpriced and Digi makes no coin out of it. They might be reissuing it from what I’ve heard… maybe they’ll be able to bank on this hype…
these people who paid over $100 are going to regret it, the price is going to come down and you're going to not care about its sound like you didn't before.
I think so too to be honest...
I’ve used a bad monkey for decades, now I’ve settled with a mojo as well on the same board to stack. Both cheap .
Hell yeah! I’ve got the TS9DX and the Mosky Silver Horse and they sound great and get the job DONE! 😁😁
My Mosky Silver Horse is actually my favorite ($19) then it's my Wampler Triumph, Berhinger Vintage Tube Overdrive T0800,Boss SD-1, and then my Joyo Hot Plexi.
Nice!! I love that little silver horse! I paid more than you though lol. Still a bargain though 😁. Joyo Plexi sounds sweet!
@@PatPosse that Joyo isn't bad
Hope to try one out someday soon!
It surprises me how gullible guitarists can get.
They are the worst hahaha. Having worked at music stores so many years nothing surprises me at this point… lol
Exactly what I thought while watching the Bad Monkey video. I love the Klon circuit and use mine with the Gain at 9:00 more than any other position. And that’s a very popular setting for a reason. It just makes your tone pop out and adds a little bit of dirt. Never sounds like you engaged an OD pedal. Can a Bad Monkey do that? Perhaps, but I tend to doubt it.
As for your question about why don’t the other pedals drop in price when the Bad Monkey goes up in price? I’m not sure. But maybe it’s that the people buying a formerly $60, and now $200 pedal aren’t part of the market that’s looking for a $5k pedal.
I sold my Centaur when the KTR came out. Surely Centaur values were going to go down, right? Wrong. 🤦🏻♂️
Nice to read from an actual Klon owner ! I don’t think the Bad Monkey does EVERYTHING a Klon does (or even close, lol) but the point remains, it can sound pretty damn good!! Let’s see what the future holds for both pedals, I’m interested to see…
@@PatPosse I should clarify that when I said “I use mine…”, I was referring to my “Klon circuit” pedal(s), not an actual Klon. Although… I do have a Centaur left, after having sold one of them too soon! It stays safely stored away, though. I currently have 2 Archers on my board. ❤️
Gotcha… That rules though.
Nobody gave a shit about the bad monkey until JHS made the video. People jumping on the bandwagon as soon as a big youtube channel mentions something. The same thing happens with retro games.
I don't know about the retro games but I can understand why and how it would happen. I guess it would be frustrating if I were interested in getting a Bad Monkey and all of the sudden it jumped in price but I gotta be honest... i don't think that was the case for anyone lol!
@@PatPosse Yes, it does happen with old games as well. A well known channel plays the game, price increases. Pretty much the same as pedals
I think i buy my monkey 2005 and its been used very little, maybe i should sell it🤣
I think so! If you haven’t played it in years, what’s the point? Get some coin for it before it drops back down in price!
STILL HAVE MY BAD MONKEY AFTER 20 YEARS , DAM THING STILL WORKS ,LOL REMEMBER IT COST ME $35 AT SAM ASH
Hell yeah! I remember selling them for that at well!
I got one back when they came out used it twice load of crap I don’t like the tone at all.
Just lives in the back of my amp lol
Hahaha you should sell that bitch before they go back to 40 bucks a pop!
They used to give them away as subscription free gift for guitarist magazine
Damn! We sure missed out!
I have one with the box for 40 bucks,its overrated in my opinion
I'm with you, that's how much it should be.
Maybe he never really switched from the Bad Monkey to the other pedals, 😳
Honestly, I thought about it…
Just Subscribed. I know we've all heard this before but it's the player and not the gear. I guarantee you I could take all the expensive and or vintage gear and make it sound horrible because I can't play for crap but I have fun trying. This is why I learned to make my own pedals from layouts and schematics so the only hype I have to worry about is my own! Can't wait to check out past videos.
Thank you brother, it means a lot! I hope you enjoy the previous content!! And you are dead on, the player can make or break all gear! Sometimes we are able to sound great on any amp/guitar/pedal combo and sometimes we just can’t jive… it’s just the way it is. Thank you for watching and commenting and of course, thanks for subbing!
Looking at drive pedals, there are a handful of circuit designs all are based on.
The difference is how the designs are implemented and this usually affects the gain and the tone stack. So if you play around with the volume and gain and tone you are going to be able to get pretty similar sounds coming out of them.
There are no magic components, they were all designed to reach that components goals and the spec sheet shows you how to implement that to your use case.
True, just like with amps, there's a few basic circuits and then a lot of modified versions of them...
I bought 3 as investment
Nice! Keep an eye on that market so you can make sure you sell them before they plummet !
The Hot Head pedal from the same series as the Bad Monkey is also a great pedal.
I haven’t played that in SO long!!!
He should demo the "Eric Clapton" Digitech Pedal. Prove how good it really is !
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I don’t even remember that pedal!! Wow
But a Kernom Ridge does everything every other pedals doo!
Not familiar with it. I’ll have to check it out!
I got my bad monkey in 2011i still use
saw his vedio few weeks ago
Nice! It’s built well, should last a loooong time!
I remember when these were issued in the very early 2000’s by digitech, there were a couple of them that were part of a lineup, it was the bad monkey, the Grunge pedal, and there was the Death Metal pedal which I used for years, but I remember an old review in a guitar magazine for the bad monkey pedal which basically said it was similar and a more affordable option to the Ibanez tube screamer and it was true for that time, the bad monkey pedal wasn’t at all expensive so paying a massive amount of money now for this pedal is kinda of ridiculous especially when it was originally compared to a pedal that is still heavily being manufactured to this day.
True! It’s very similar to the tube screamer. Some people prefer it over the Ibanez because of the extra tone knob…
Haha, I FEEL IT, anytime there's extra knobs on a pedal it definitely gives the opportunity to make things more interesting.
Hahaha yup!! I am partial to the TS9 (although I favor the TS9DX) cause it love it’s simplicity! But yeah… knobs rule! (In small doses…)
Yeah, he definitely didn't say that the Bad Monkey can do everything a Klon can...Also Yeah - you had 19 yrs ppl! I have a TS10 that I bought in the late 80's (I guess) and everyone thought that pedal was crap... Everyone wanted the TS9 and the 808 was the holy grail. Suddenly Mayer uses a TS10 and now I can sell mine for like $800... suckers! I'm gonna sell it on Reverb and buy the JHS Morning Glory!
Hahaha nice!!! I’m drooling over that morning glory over here!! Killer pedal!! I love my ts9 and my Maxon 808. A great supporter of the channel and now friend of mine got me the TS9 40th anniversary and it’s exactly the same as the regular TS9 lol. People can be gullible sometimes… that’s when smart people like you take advantage and sell a pedal for a huge profit 💪🏻💪🏻
What's even funnier is Josh compared a vintage TS9 and TS10 to a Behringer Vintage Overdrive (their TS9 clone) and it sounded absolutely identical. I have a Behringer and I honestly can't tell the difference in sound, and I always wanted a TS9 but couldn't afford one. Best $30 I've ever spent on guitar gear.
@@miket.220 A lot of these have the same circuits or cheaper components that make the pedal be more affordable. Sometimes they are more durable, easier to fix and more consistent but they don't necessarily sound better (or the same, for that matter) but they will have some of the character of the original pedal they are trying to copy.
Klons are expensive because they’re old and rare
Yeah and cause they’ve reached a holy grail status
josh said it only took him a few mins to dial in, the bad monkey sounds great
Yeah I saw that after posting this video. That’s cool
Just sold my house to buy a Bad Monkey pedal. Bad move?
Hahaha the worst!!!
WOW! Finally someone made a UA-cam video about the Bad Monkey controversy. Thank you so much. I was wondering why nobody is discussing this!
🤣🤣🤣🤣. To be fair I made the video as soon as it happened, I just didn’t have the time to edit it and upload it but I get your point… you don’t HAVE to watch it though… 🤷🏻♂️
@@PatPosse Well, to be fair as well, I didn't ... but good for you for taking my snark with humor!
🤣🤣. Of course man! I’m here to have fun and talk music! I can be sarcastic as well and I’m not always trying to be a prick, lol. I get humor 😉
@@JohannesLabusch maybe next watch the vid instead of being a sarcastic prick
I love it when a dude in a Testament shirt mansplains.
I don't know if this is a compliment or an insult... hahaha
Got pedals? We've got risers for them.
Nice! Shoot me an email, maybe we could work something out 😉
what about the hype about the hype?
Hahaha 🤣. Also exaggerated!
Screw that guy
Josh? why??
OMG, you raised the price on an old a/f pedal that wasn't on my radar and I was never going to buy! Ohh, woe is me!
Hahaha people are going Walmart on Black Friday crazy over it !
@@PatPosse What's even funnier to me is that he dialed up just one tone for each that sounded the same (so who knows how wide of an array of tones each gets).
And to me, NONE of the tones of any of the pedals excited me.
@@IDGAF_PLUS hahaha fair enough. I thought they all sounded great. I'm not running out the door to buy one though, but they all worked very well in a mix. Then again, I'm talking as Pat the producer and not as Pat the guitar playin' metalhead hahaha
It's just a Tubescreamer
In a nutshell… not even a great one at that lol
Josh Scott did no such thing. He’s just blown this dumb video out of the water today on his channel, go watch.
You obviously didn't bother watching the video before writing your ignorant-ass comment... I praised Josh and what he did for the Guitar community. Also, it was awesome to see my thumbnail on this channel, he didn't say anything bad about it... keep trying
@@PatPosse still doesn’t change the fact that you baselessly accused him of manipulating what he did with the pedal, which he flat-out denied today
@@tompoynton again, I did no such thing... stop embarrassing yourself...
It still cracks me up how the Bad Monkey used to be like 40-60 bucks and after a video was made on it the prices jumped up to like 100-300 bucks.
What baffles me is the fact that it stayed up there! I thought a couple months tops !
Supply and Demand
Yup.
Nice … subscribed.
Oddly enough, this Bad Monkey hype may be why you showed-up in my feed. 😂
It’s a tube screamer with a bass-control, no?
Thank you! Some good came from this hype 😁😁.
And yeah.. basically lol. I mean im sure it goes a bit deeper than that but having a couple tube screamers I didn’t think I needed this guy also 🤣.
PS: Gary Moore's most used overdrive was a TS10. Yes he used the Marshall Guv'nor for Still got the blues, and in his rock days he used Boss DS1 and later in the 80's an Ibanez ST Super tube, but the most used was definitely a TS10. And the first time I saw GM use a Bad Monkey was on the Thin Lizzy tribute gig in 2005
Thanks for that. I got into GM before I started playing guitar and I never dove deep into his gear but I do remember that convo with Dave vividly and it just stuck with me. TS10 makes sense though!
@@PatPosse I dare say he used all sorts on different albums. I know on Thunder Rising, for example, he used a Rat distortion. But on the tour it was an ST9. Been a huge GM fan since I was a baby, so now quite a bit about his gear, but every day is a school day!
What I can absolutely tell you is this…. The secret to Gary Moore’s tone is…. Gary Moore
Truer words were never spoken my dude. I’m sure I can pick up his guitar and plug straight into his rig and still sound nothing like him.
@@PatPosse likewise, as much as I try lol
@@StewRoberts Hahaha I get it! I tried, and failed miserably, to sound like Brian May (and play Death Metal!!) for years until I realized I'm always going to sound like Pat. Even through a Brian May Replica guitar and the AC30 I still manage to sound like myself (or die tweaking them knobs lol). Love them though!
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this video from 5 different channels now.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ copy cats! 🤣🤣
@@PatPosse ha! Great response, I’m subscribing. :)
😁😁 like a man!! Welcome aboard brother. Glad to have you🤘🏻
good points 😊
Thank you Rog! Glad you enjoyed it!
Dude, I picked up a Bad Monkey for $300 and I gotta tell ya, it's worth every cent. I can't stop- playing it. Just sayin
Im not saying it’s a bad pedal, I’m just saying it was equally as good when it was 59 bucks and it will go back to it being that much soon… nothing particularly special about it.
Lmao. Du×b @$$.
Lol
You actually paid $300 for a Bad Monkey?! You're insane. I can get one for £65 (Roughly $83) right now on eBay
All true.
Thanks Justin!
Great explanation/clarification on one of the more interesting developments in the guitar world. A sub well deserved!
THANK YOU!! Welcome aboard!
@@PatPosse Thanks :)
Means a lot! I hope you enjoy the content!
There is a great comment I think on the video Josh did where one person said "Damn! Now I have to buy a $5000 Klon to get the Bad Monkey sound!" Which is the point. Do you want the Tone, or the Hype? The Klon is all hype because as you said an I know from my own Wampler Tumnus, the Klon sound is reachable and affordable.
But people just want the BIG silver or gold one....just like John Mayer has or whoever they like has. If John Mayer threw his Klon in a dumpster tomorrow, said it sucked and said "This Amazon pedal is WAY better" Your pedal would jump to $5000 and you'd see Klons all over the place for $50.
Its called Herd mentality. People dont want something specific, they want what everyone else wants. FOMO kicks in hard and you spend $600 before you blink(FOMO-Fear of Missing Out). Once the FOMO passes or enough people say "Yeah, Josh lied, that pedal sucks" the bottom will drop out.
The way to beat this is...ignore it all. You decide what a "Klon sound" is. Or a "TS10 Sound" Go try other pedals. Play what makes you feel inspired and eager to play and let the nut bars, speculators and ill informed buy all the Bad Monkeys they want.
Dude! I saw that comment and it is perfect!!
I 100% agree with your statement. Everybody seems to be looking for that piece of gear that's going to make them great at the touch of a button but they are not willing to put in the time or work... Sadly, they only realize this Klon is not it after they've shelled out a couple grand for it. It baffles me.
Hi Pat how are you.....why don't you put up some videos where you play the guitar.....I love it because you're really great. A big hug from one of your fans !!!!!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💯💯💯🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Thank you! This is a topic where I had something to say and I guess people responded well to it! one of my best performing videos so far.. but I'll go back to playing soon... right now I'm just making the videos I think people want to see lol. I'm working on a pedal demo which will be up soon, there'll be playing there for sure!
True about tweaking pedals. I want to tell you a secret. I use my metalzone as a simulation of Marshall tube amp! The settings are: Gain - little higher than minimum, Bass and Treble- between 1 and 2 o'cock, Mid sweep between 2 and 3 o'clock - mid eq little higher than the sweep. It sounds like crunchy marhall JCM700 but with a little bit distorsion then the the ovedriven signal. Something like 70s Priest' tone
Ooh 😮. That sounds fun!! Might have to check that out when I get my hands on one …
@Pat Old Saying "Monkey See, Monkey Do" just People.. Thanks For Sharing 🎸 Much, respect to you
Hahaha love it!!!! Pun intended and well appreciated!
Ha. I just sold a mint in box BM for $149+shipping in 15 hours. Then bought a Analogman Prince of Tone for $148. Thanks Josh!
Thats what I call an upgrade!
What happened to the bad monkey? is a good pedal, very similar to the TS9. Can you have a great sound with it? of course yes, but you can't make a pedal sound good without working on it, and it doesn't matter if is a centaur, a tubescreamer, a chorus, flanger, and so on. One video with a proper use of the Bad Monkey and people's minds are blown off... and an old cheap pedal now is exclusive, worth 600$
You hit it in the head! I think any pedal can achieve a great sound if dialed in correctly. Some will get you there faster and some might not be suited to a particular player, but they all have the ability to sound good!
Holy shit!
This is Rey. We Use to work together at Sam Ash Miami lakes back in 2006?
Glad to see you're still at it man. I'm still playing but never upload anything.
Duuuude!!!! I looked you up on Instagram not too long ago but couldn’t find you! I’m hoping to reconnect with some of the cool ash people! Look me up with the same name! How have you been??
Thanks BTW!!