What's the Quieter Bow?! Phase 4 29 vs. V3X 29
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2022
- What's the Quieter Bow?! Phase 4 29 vs. V3X 29.. We explore the new Mathews Phase 4 versus that V3X 29 and run a little sound check. We have a lot of questions about the new Mathews Phase 4 bow and this is a build and test to help you learn more about it. #elkshape #mathews #soundcheck
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Difficult to get a perfect sound reading in a “ regular “ room but you guys are doing your best to get some real world information out-👍👍 ABT!
Always appreciate your information and input guys ❤
Have really started to like this channel. Awesome guys on here
I'm running the Mathews branded Axcel fixed 5-pin sight on my V3X 29 and it's held up perfectly through a horse pack in backcountry Nevada mule deer trip, Idaho deer trip (where I took a tumble packing out my buddy's elk and slammed my bow in the rocks), and a Kansas whitetail deer trip. I just put the Black Gold Pro FX fixed 5-pin sight on my Mathews Phase 4 29 and like it so far. I was a Hoyt guy for 20 years and loved how bullet proof their bows were. But I changed to Mathews because the draw cycle was easier on my shoulders. For those 20 years I ran nothing but Spot Hogg sights, and yes, you are right, they are hella bullet proof. ABT!
Honestly I can’t we a big enough difference to make the swap. There’s deff a little difference but it’s minimal. I would deff try isolating as others have pointed out. Maybe take window sashes out on a minimal or not wind day. Love the content guys! Your my go to channel for tinkering and general entertainment 😂 keep hammerin’!!!!!!
Keep it up gents, loving the content
Awesome work guys 👊
Great content guys 👌you guys are definitely my favorite guys to watch on UA-cam
Thanks G 🙏
@ElkShape Can you guys do a review of the Saunders Vudu X string stop? Thing seems like it would be amazing but there's little information about it. Everyone that does have it loves it but it'd be nice to see you guys opinion and results
Nicely done 👍😁 great content 😀🏹🦌
Thank you 🙏
I'm still going to wait before jumping on the ph4 train. Those rubber dampers between the limbs have me concerned when it comes to wear and tear, durability and lifespan. I know you guys say that you'll put it through its paces and what not, but that will only be until next year when the next new thing comes out. That, in my opinion, is not a true test of durability or lifespan of a product. The average Joe is not dropping a few grand on a new bow every year, for most it will be at least 3-5 years if not more before getting something new.
Going to put some faith in Mathew’s engineering team. 🤙
@@ElkShape and that's fine, however how many new vehicles with new tech have had recalls a year or couple of years after being released due to a part tested in their R&D failing faster than projected? How many bows in the last decade with new limb tech have had de-laminations or fractures from general use within the first year or two? The engineering and R&D side of things only goes so far (I work for a bunch of engineers) after that it's all about real world applications and use, specially when it comes to new tech. So personally, I will wait on the phase4, and will probably go with the v3x33 instead as I am in the market for a new bow this season to replace my current setup.
@@ElkShape exactly! They are not gonna put something out that is gonna cause more hardship on there end of it. Just not profitable for them.🤙
@@trckn_151 Mathews warranties their bow. Not sure what you are worried about with that being said. If there were issues (even if they came years down the road) you wouldn’t have anything to worry about cus they will cover it under their warranty. Your argument becomes mute at that point.
@@MrTitosYup, agreed.
Great video guys! Do you think there is a difference in sound between the 33 and 29 phase 4?
I’m shooting the V3X 29 this year And I love it.
The phase 4 does not have enough improvements for me to upgrade this year. Let’s see what they come out with next year.
It’s a shame MATHEWS always comes out with their new bow in the middle of the season. You start the season off with a brand new bow and you end it with a bow that’s last year’s model. Why can’t they come out with new bows every spring so we can buy them and get them all tuned up before the season starts. It kills me every year when my brand new Mathews bow Becomes obsolete before the season is over.
Lame!
Bows made even a decade ago are not obsolete. If you need to upgrade every year you either didn’t find the right bow for you or it’s an ego thing, unless you’re a content creator/dealer.
@@Rob10420
That is absolutely not true. I know plenty of people that get a new bow every year. I am one of them. If I really like a bow I will keep it but it doesn’t stop me from buying a new one. This is the first year in the last 10 that I’m not buying a new bow. Has nothing to do with ego my dude. It has to do with an addiction to Archery that obviously exceeds yours.
I am always tinkering with new shit.
When I said a bow becomes obsolete the following year I don’t mean in my mind,
I meant in the industry’s mind.
I still own my switchback, my Heli-m, my Halon, my Triax and my V3 31.
I don’t always sell my old bows.
I keep some
@@jayonez137 exactly,musts hater drinking 🍺 too much of dat Hatorade!🤔👍🎯🏹😉😁😂🤣🤪😳
New Sub. Thanks for the comparison! I am looking at these two bows to replace my Z7, which is basically new, as I am getting back into archery. Although I would love to go hunting, it is very hard to find a place around here that isn't already established with prior hunter permissions. So my main focus will be using it for 3D league and possibly TAC as events come to my area.
Any thoughts on which you may prefer for my intended use? Both seam to be a great option, and will have to see if I can shoot in lefthanded model prior to final determination.
thanks for trying to be unbias in your testing, thats what i appreciats about you guys. Just a herads up. make sure to clock your arrows with those ABB strings. when i switched to ABB mine started clocking to the right, so I fletch to the right.
Thanks G
Absolutely loving my phase 4 29. But I opted to not get the bridgelock stabilizers personally. I got trophy ridge hitmans for now.
All good you should shoot whatever you dig! 🤙
I just picked up the phase4 myself, threw the bridge lock stabilizer on there just because I figured I’m already spending $1200 on the bow plus $250 for a quiver, $300 on a rest and a $90 dovetail bar just to bridge lock my sight, so $100 more to get the stabilizer to go with it just wasn’t much of a big deal, super happy with the whole bow in general though, smooth, quiet, punching straight bullet holes through paper, and I’m launching a 503 grain axis with a 50 gr hit insert and 125 gr tip at 285 fps with 14% FOC, thinking I shouldn’t have an issue shoving a G5 Deadmeat clean through an elk w this setup, definitely a huge improvement from the Halon 6 I upgraded from. Don’t know why so many people are trashing the new phase4, I don’t think Mathews made this bow for everyone who already has a v3x to upgrade to, they just made a good bow with some awesome features.
@Aaron Liebe for me to get the bridgelock stabs (that I don't like the look of) would be $750 cause I run a backbar as well. I couldn't justify it.
We did just order my wife a prima yesterday and I'm getting the low pro quiver for mine and giving her my web quiver. So that part worked out good haha
I’ve been dying to know what wraps you use on a 4mm arrow!
The Dialed sight has been through some hell with in the whitetail woods and chasing some early season mule deer and antelope and has stayed rock solid and right on target. Definitely will be a solid sight in the future.
Good to hear
Great video, how much of the noise do you think is from the arrow impacting the target?
I believe that you may get more definitive results from shooting into a target that is outside or in a different room.
I agree
So last years boat anchor shoots 7 fps faster than the new new. Thanks for sharing. Id like to see y'all tell the carrying weight of the v3x with the quiver loaded ready to hunt lol...
What draw length and arrow length are you shooting I like those specs
I would be interested in knowing the difference in the weight of both bow setups??
Love my Mathews bows , been looking hard at the Phase 4. Wondering if the decibel reduction is worth the reduction in FPS? shot my last 3 elk within 20 yards and they had no reaction to the string, for whitetail/mule deer guys i definitely agree that being quiet on the shot matters a lot more because they really duck. But FPS seems more important to me on elk than being silent. Also I'm all for dropping weight on my pack when your a few days into the hunt it matters but should we cut weight on something else other then our bow? heard MFJJ talking about a heavier bow being more stable and accurate on the shot... Love to hear your thoughts , thanks for the great content !!
I just recently bought a Triax, it’s light to me but I have a hard time being accurate with it/ shot a Bear bow that was significantly heavier and I was more accurate 🙄 FYI I just started Bow hunting after 12 years
What strings did you put on Jakes Phase 4? They looked like ABB
Haha I don’t blame u for running front bar only would need to mortgage your house for two of them lol although they are sick looking maybe someone will come out with aftermarket ones that would be great !
As always your reviews are awesome. What size is that BRCC Jacket?
Medium
@@ElkShape smedium swole daddy Dan 💪
Wish those grips would fit on a Hoyt
What grips did you put on there?
Just wondering if there’s a way you can shoot out the door or a window into a target outside so the meters just pick up the bow sound?
Yes - we’ll do that in future
I honestly can't tell the difference. On camera and in person. Honestly I'm over companies chasing the hand shock fairy. My question is, can it shoot? If the Mathews shoots well for you, great! I chose the elite Omnia
I’d say the Mathews platform can shoot considering the own the tournament trail.
@@jwild5360 oh for sure. It's just that they keep pushing vibration.
@@jwild5360 Yeah, when you have ten times the sponsored shooters as the other companies, the odds would be in your favor.
@@BOOMER-rs5qn indeed and when you make an accurate bow you end up with 10 times more shooters. Jesse broadwater clearly showed us it’s not all about the money. And so did Levi.
@@jackbuendgen389 yep they are running out of things in this industry on bows to push. Idk if you noticed that little black plug in the riser when he removed the grip but there’s a new feature coming maybe adjustable grip not 100 percent they wouldn’t tell me. It’s phase 4 and newer. If it’s an adjustment to tweak draw length or lateral tune that would be a nice add on as you’d then have the ability to tune laterally and horizontally without a Press
I felt a 29 phase 4 in local shop it seemed heavier then my v3x is it heavier, lighter or same weight as v3x
Loving that dialed site.
Got to play with it a little bit at TAC this year!
Anyone know if ultra view site/head will work with this Dialed ?
Yes the UV3 works. Dialed also just came out with a new scope arm for the windage bar so that the UVXL fits as well. Therefore, either should work.
Did the phase 4 limbs durability hold up to your use this season ?
Just got my LH P4 29 last week with the 10" and 8" Bridgelock stabilizers plus back bar attachment. I am VERY nit picky and cognizant of any differences between all my previous Mathews. I still own my VXR 28, VXR 31.5, two V3X 29's. I have Flatlines (front and back) and a mix of Axcel Carboflax 500's between those. I am noticing more vertical oscillation on the ends of the Bridgelock stabilizers vs the flatlines or the carboflax's. It's a little disturbing for the price that they have more residual shot vibration than the earlier models. It's a hard vibration to describe. It's not a loose buzz, it's a definite up and down slower wobble that lasts for seconds vs the same length flatline on the same bow. Either of you notice that? Put your flatlines on your P4 Jake and test for yourself. ABT Folks!!
It sounded like he said oh shit grips. Had to play it back twice
Why abb strings and left helical on vanes. Contradicting spin
How are those ABB Strings Feelin???? I just got a New set for Xmas Present So curious what your first thoughts are????
We’re going to do a season long test on them but they are a reliable brand
@@ElkShape Big Jake I know about the year long test I just meant like so far what u thinkin, like what are your thoughts about em right out the box, first cple 100 shots I know you an Dan Definitely out there shootin, you put cple 100 shots on em for sure already lol All Good tho Bro, oooo an let's get more shooting, more shooting in the videos the better in my opinion just sayin lol thanks for your time guys ✊🏽🤙🏽
I am more then willing to take his vx29 just saying lol
So as someone (me) that does not own either of these bows but is looking to get one or the other… what would everyone’s choice be if in my position. I can’t make up my mind
Need to add the bridgelock back bar and mount so you can have well over 3 GRAND in that setup.....
Why so salty? How much would you spend on a rifle setup?
@@ElkShape not salty, just seems crazy to have that invested in bow setup that drops value like a rock. You can buy some VERY good rifles that will last a lifetime for well under 2k.
I laugh every time I hear someone blow about spott Hogg and how tough they are but I’ve had to get mine rebuilt every year. Landslide for the win.
Calling bs…..
I wish, I will say they have great customer service and fix it no questions asked best thing I ever did was get rid of it….
SH has almost a cult following 😂 they’re good sights and I have no problem running them but they’re no better than HHA, MBG, or Axcel.
@@chetmanley2883 agree and all the cult think they are bomb proof and I’m like absolutely not after season mine always rattled and everything was loose. Checked all the bolts send it back in and they’d rebuild it. I just think I can’t be the only one and if you say something you get called bs no way that’s possible….again spot hog is great to work with quick turn around and always fixed all the buzzing loose vibration
@@ryanhowelloutdoors7454 I agree with that, I’ve never had an issue with them but I never saw the hype in them from the SH guys. Your experience would be enough for me to switch to another brand as well. My HHA tetra has survived 2 elk hunts so far with zero issues so I won’t be switching any time soon. They’re all great sight but nothing clearly separates them from each other, just preference on features 🤷♂️ I’m sure there will be a SH fanboy here to defend them shortly 😂
What happened to Dan filming the rest of jake season I was looking forward to that ???
Idk which is quieter but I do know I don't think bows will get quieter than the phase 4.. how does that make you feel?
With the V3x/ phase 4 29 and the low pro removable quiver does your arrows hang below the bottom cam and limbs? And how long are your arrows?
You can adjust it to make it how you like
My arrows are 28” long And they don’t even come close to hanging out beyond the lower cam
Arrow hitting target is loud maybe try a few shots without the arrow so we get the raw bow sound
No string stretch like mfjj?
Where can I get them nocks looking to up grade
AAE’s website, they’re worth the upgrade honestly.
Y'all are motivating me to start a channel myself. I have a very small area of farm land that hasn't been farmed in some years now and my landlord Said I could use it for whitetails and turn it into a food plot. I wanna do it for people on fixed income like myself ( va disability and the like, not lazy government handouts ) and maybe turn nothing into something and inspire others to get outside like y'all have inspired me to get back into Archery, target and hunting. I also have a space for a small but nice 3 D shooting area, any advice on what to start on first?
Thanks again for any and all advice and the outstanding content.
Your video editing and quality of footage/B-roll footage is what will separate you from everyone else.
Thanks we hope to see you on the tubes!
Do it.
@@Cody_Austin I figured I'd record a lot of the surrounding area and ask the people what they'd do and make decisions based on those options and opinions. So I'll have plenty of B-roll footage. Appreciate it thank you. I'm also trying to make it with my little man, he's 5 1/2 and I wanted to focus on how single dads can still teach their children to have morals and values and to keep them true to your heart. Do things the right way all the way be better than I was ( the opposite of a jackass lol ). To teach one reach one and pass it on try to not only make a better world but better people for the world too.
Also I'm doing all this on my own with my own money. I don't want sponsors because that would defeat the purpose of the idea. I want to try and show people that even in today's inflation world that with time and patience ( which can be hard to find today) and a little bit of money ( yes that evil word ) you can do it. It'll be tough but I think it's possible.
looks like the v3x is missing the nano dampener....
I like my V3x 33 I don’t see a reason to run out and upgrade. Not that I can afford a new 1200 dollar bow every year anyway lol.
The one thing I hear with the Phase 4 in every video I watch and when I shoot my own 29 is the string when it hits the stop. Outside of that, this bow is DEAD QUIET to me.
Why would you change strings on a new bow? Could it be that Mathews screws their customers with sh*t strings from the factory?
Lots of people do, regardless of manufacturer. I have the originals on my V3X 33 with no issues, though I will admit they took a bit to settle in. Shit strings? No…. Awesome strings? No…. Screwing anyone over? Smh….
@@michaelcolthart4006 The last Mathews bow I bought, my pro shop had to replace the factory strings twice in a three week period (serving separation and peep twist). I finally bought Winners Choice strings, problem solved. Numerous guys I know had the same issues. It pisses me off to buy a new bow, then have to spend an extra two hundred bucks on string/cables. I have not experienced this from any other brand of bows.
Shot over 9k arrows from my v3x 33 with factory strings.. retuned after 1500 shots zero issues! I'll probably replace with factory strings when it's time.. It's a tack driver..
Lots of great shooters use factory strings. Worth testing 👌
Zebra strings for Mathews are notorious for stretch and peep twist with a short life. Definitely something they need to improve on along with ditching the engage grip.
Why can't archery company make things nice. We save our money to buy these overpriced bows and over priced arrows and over priced sights. Which I have no problem doing BUT I don't want to have to replace the string right away. Because the one you sent is trash.
I don't want to have to replace the components of an arrow. But the ones you sent don't line up and bent within a week. I don't want to have to keep tightening screws on my sight.
Come on archery companies DO BETTER.
YOUR SHIT IS EXPENSIVE. MAKE IT WORTH IT.