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  • @AlexCBrandon
    @AlexCBrandon Рік тому +530

    This has me stunned. I'm so grateful for this kind of analysis 23 years after the release of the original game!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +127

      Thank you for your incredible music!! This video is meant to be a celebration of the amazing work you and the other Straylight composers did on this game, so it's pretty mind-blowing that you’re here commenting on it 😅
      Also, if you could ever find the time, I’d love to interview you for a future video on Unreal and Unreal Tournament

    • @leadrevolver
      @leadrevolver Рік тому +42

      We're Not Worthy!
      We're Not Worthy!

    • @MadJackChurchill1312
      @MadJackChurchill1312 Рік тому +22

      Alex, you are ALWAYS in the comments when a Deus Ex music video is released. Great to see you in the community and making waves still!

    • @davidr7996
      @davidr7996 Рік тому +16

      The soundtrack to the original Deus Ex deserves recognition as one of the greatest of any musical score ever. More than twenty years on, I still hear the tapping notes of Hell's Kitchen in my head as easily as the first few bars of Super Mario Bros.

    • @Wasmachineman
      @Wasmachineman Рік тому +1

      Alexander fucking Brandon in the comment section, hell yeah!

  • @SgtZaqq
    @SgtZaqq Рік тому +99

    I expected a deep dive into Deus Ex's music but somehow this video finally explained the crazy plot of this game in an understandable and clear way.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +15

      i wanted to attach the music to the narrative more in this video than i have done previously, bc i feel like some of my other analyses were missing something by not focusing enough on the narrative meaning of the soundtrack, not that you asked for me to ramble lol, but thank you for the comment!!

    • @mattfm101
      @mattfm101 Рік тому +2

      I think doing both worked well to explain your point and keep things entertaining@@SimonZinzovski

    • @retagainez
      @retagainez 11 місяців тому

      @@SimonZinzovski The largest reason why I LOVE the OT & Prequels soundtrack by John Williams for Star Wars. It focuses on enhancing the narrative!

    • @ThisBirdHasFlown
      @ThisBirdHasFlown 7 місяців тому

      It's pretty easy to understand.

  • @kulman4295
    @kulman4295 Рік тому +108

    Deus Ex and Fallout 1/2 are on the very top of my favorite video games ever. Thanks for analyzing my favorite games

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +14

      Soul read, i gotchu bro

    • @Dex916
      @Dex916 Рік тому +8

      Same here, this was a pleasant surprise after the FO1/2 music videos.

    • @haroldirl
      @haroldirl Рік тому +5

      good taste

    • @Simofett
      @Simofett Рік тому +4

      Yeah, Mark Morgan's Fallout and Alexander Brandon's Deus Ex are basically my two favorite soundtracks ever as well. I'll chime in with Kulman and say, thank you for focusing on the greats.

    • @theangel666100
      @theangel666100 Рік тому +2

      They happen to be the very best games ever

  • @zoltankis1595
    @zoltankis1595 Рік тому +37

    "When I was a kid, only two things mattered to me. Video games and UA-cam videos". This two sentences shattered me a bit. With the first sentence, you took me back to my childhood. The first half of the second sentence confirmed my addiction, but the second half threw a stake in my chest. In my childhood there was no youtube, the internet was a freshly grounded digital space folding out of it's wings. I could have a son as old as you if I hadn't pursued my dreams, but married very young. This realization comes and goes, but somehow, the context made it now extremely real. Thank you for that, and also for the great video. 👍

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +7

      Thank you for sharing that my friend, I'm very glad that my video could move you in some way. I only briefly remember the pre-UA-cam internet, but the digital world has always captured my imagination in a profound way. Thank you again for your kind words, and I wish you the very best 🤟

  • @Majuular
    @Majuular Рік тому +27

    In regards to your question about the Helios ending, I'll tell you what it evokes for me personally.
    The Dark Age ending is certainly more upbeat. The callback to the title track (which I love) has an air of determination to it. It's as if JC & Tong know that, despite doing the right thing, the REAL work has only begun. Even though there is uncertainty in the Dark Age ending, it leaves us, the player, with a feeling of confidence & determination. Things are going to be different, but they'll be alright. The dark world we were introduced to back when we first heard the title track is gone, and a new age of hope on the horizon has begun.
    The Helios Ending's callback conversely doesn't necessarily inspire that same unfettered optimism. Yet, it's not pessimistic or cynical. The militaristic snare gives the track some backbone, as though JC knows this is what he needs to do. There's uncertainty hanging in the air because, unlike Tong's ending which signifies the end of a terrible period, the Helios ending represents the beginning of something new. The world was an awful place, but it was a devil we knew. What will this new age of man & machine bring? This is a bell we can't unring, but ring it we must.
    The synth-y marimba part in the track sounds a lot like the bleeps & bloops of the computers/servers in the game, as if the humanity of the song is giving way to a new, digital form - and as the track transitions into that ethos, so to does the uncertainty leave the song. We're left with a dramatic swell, but one with purpose - unlike the beginning of the song which still showed some hesitancy.
    Anyway, thanks for reading my blog. This was a great & hilarious video. I really like your style, and I hope to see more videos from you in the future!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +7

      That was fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, I found them very illuminating. Maybe you should start a blog! I agree with you very much, and I think the ending tracks in particular are great examples of the effort put into conveying narrative meaning through music. They reflect the philosophical conundrums that come with each ending, which is a seriously difficult feat to achieve through composition

    • @benzed4756
      @benzed4756 5 місяців тому

      @@SimonZinzovski Majuular does have an amazing UA-cam channel where he takes a slower, analytical approach to game reviews very similar to your own! Highly recommend you give him a watch sometime!

  • @juggernikos3460
    @juggernikos3460 Рік тому +50

    Thank you for this incredible deep dive in the music of a legendary game.

  • @eniu2487
    @eniu2487 Рік тому +9

    I would include Jesper Kyd as one of the more famous examples of demo scenes going full pro
    I'm very glad You didn't skip tracker topic in this, I was worried after watching 3/4th of the video

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +4

      Absolutely Jesper Kyd is a fantastic musician! I felt that Deus Ex’s tracker origins were relevant so im glad you appreciated my discussion of them 😊

  • @AdamPuntigliano
    @AdamPuntigliano Рік тому +11

    Astonished at the quality of output you have on your channel. Born too late to experience the 70s goth scene, born too early to experience gay space communism, born just in time to watch Simon Zinzovski's videos.
    Back when I played Deus Ex for the first time I found the club music in Paris to sound eerily similar to something out of Bowie's 90s albums. Funnily enough I found out Reeves Gabrels (who worked on one of Bowie's best albums 1.Outside) was behind all the club music in the game.
    I agree that the UNATCO tracks are absolutely some of the best in the entire game. I love darker and more eerie types of music myself and the cyberspy feel is so well crafted in those tracks.
    Something I always thought about when hearing the music of the Illuminati, was this feeling of something from the past creeping back in. Like you were visited by a ghost from the past.
    The Illuminati ending track felt extremely opressive and I think in a way it reminds us that the older established ideas of governing are coming back with an iron grip. One of my favorite tracks out of the entire game is probably the Conversation theme for the DuClare Chateau. It's such a beautiful and haunting track.
    I'm not that musically literate (I only play saxophone) but I'll try my best to express how I felt when hearing the track, in relation to the ending itself. There's something about the beginning of it that feels unsure and a bit sad at first, it's like JC is sacrificing himself to helios for mankind's sake. It then turns much more hopeful and uplifting, but still a bit held back. Like he fulfilled a christ-like role when he sacrifices himself and ascends to Godhood.
    (Another note: you're an absolute chad for using the original system shock footage in the back for a few seconds in the video. That game has some of my favorite video game tracks of all time! There's a nine inch nails industrial techno feel to it that I really dig)
    I hope to see more from you through out my lifetime! Your thoughts and ways of presenting them are just contagious, makes me want to learn all about any given topic you're discussing. Now I've waxed your balls enough for today... really hope you have the best of days. And to one day meet you in the land down under for that beer.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +3

      Heyyy don't count yourself out for the gay space communism just yet, we might get there!
      But seriously, thanks for the support and the thoughtful message. I really wanted to add the Reeves Gabrels thing somewhere in the video but just couldn't figure out a way to fit it, super interesting connection though. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the music, i enjoyed reading through it and I'm sure others will too. This video actually started it's life as a cyberpunk music retrospective, where i was going to go over a bunch of different games including System Shock, so I might have to revisit that idea in the future.
      Thanks for the support Adam and i too hope we'll meet some day!!

  • @Eskinor
    @Eskinor Рік тому +23

    The synapse is such a banger of a tune, maybe my favourite or at least one of them, I remember spending ages running around Hong Kong trying to find that egg machine what a great game.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +7

      what? there is an egg machine in hong kong? is this what people are talking about?

  • @Davids_Stalidzans
    @Davids_Stalidzans 9 місяців тому +2

    This ain't a gold mine. This is a 3D printer making pristine diamonds. And the diamonds are Pure Gold.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  8 місяців тому

      i don't know what to make of that, but thank you 🙏

  • @wusashicat1
    @wusashicat1 Рік тому +5

    A thirty-ish minute video about the best soundtrack in gaming history?! This is what UA-cam is for!
    I was looking for this exact video when i was doing my yearly playthrough in February.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Hell yeah! Glad i could provide the goods. The video will still be here for your yearly playthrough next February 😅

  • @quaker2636
    @quaker2636 Рік тому +14

    Extremely good video. Having recently replayed DX and The Nameless Mod I was looking forward to you covering this masterpiece of a soundtrack. And a massive kudos for talking about tracker music and the demoscene. Like you said, it's part of the game's identity and DNA, in fact Unreal's and DX's music led me to learning about the demoscene and other music by the composers. I feel like learning about the tech and craft behind the soundtrack makes you appreciate it even more.
    Once again, thanks for covering it! I would really love to see a dissection of Unreal's and UT music as well. These two games along with DX make up the holy trinity of tracker soundtrack in my opinion.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for the support Quaker! I totally agree in terms of learning about the narratives behind artistic works, it adds a richness to your enjoyment of it I think. Plus, its just kinda cool. Unreal and UT are both really good suggestions that i will absolutely have to consider

  • @dontwrite9s4ever86
    @dontwrite9s4ever86 Рік тому +7

    Im grateful this exists. Imagine an analysis of the Thief seires. Id be blown away. So many underrated video game composers out there other than popular ones like Soule even through he is great and sticks to his symphonic orchestral niche.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +2

      Yess Thief would be a good series to cover! Thanks for the support annd the suggestion 💕

  • @TheSilence420i
    @TheSilence420i Рік тому +10

    As a music and Deus Ex nerd, this egg machine of a video is goddamn beautiful. I wasnt expecting literally every damn Deus Ex meme under the sun as well! Thank ye :)

  • @dressed_snake
    @dressed_snake Рік тому +5

    I still have xmplay installed to this day, only to be able to play back the Deus Ex umx files whenever I feel like it. This video and in fact you other videos create a very good mix of entertainment, nostalgia and education on the topics. Even the man himself, Alex Brandon, showed up in the comments. You sure are doing something right. Thanks for these videos and hopefully there is much more to come!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      Thank you dude! Glad to hear you resonate with the music so much, and that you got something out of my analysis 💕

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 3 місяці тому

      UMX? I used UnreadEd to extract out the original IT files. Still listen to them using XMPlay under WINE.

  • @StrikeSurgical
    @StrikeSurgical 8 місяців тому +3

    The love for Deus Ex really shone through this video. Great work.

  • @Estarrioltube
    @Estarrioltube Рік тому +3

    amazing job, thank you for making and sharing it

  • @scalarmotion
    @scalarmotion Рік тому +2

    Great analysis (even if I'm not educated enough in music theory to fully understand it) and excellent delivery. I think the density of jokes (both in the script and visual editing) is just right, which is especially impressive since that's really easy to overdo

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      thank you for the feedback! Glad you felt the jokes were spaced well, I have probably overcooked it in some of my other videos 😅

  • @GrigoryRechistov
    @GrigoryRechistov 3 місяці тому +1

    "Leaving pistol on «untrained»" - yeah baby! All skill points go into heavy weapons. GEP gun is the most silent way to make progress through the game! And being silent is important because we do not want to unnecessarily distort the background music with screams of UNATCO agents being slaughtered.

  • @phenixgem
    @phenixgem Рік тому +18

    It looks like you edited this video with an egg machine. Great work champ

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +7

      my brother in christ what is an egg machine?

    • @sliwka621
      @sliwka621 Рік тому +4

      ​@@SimonZinzovskiExactly...

  • @MagnetismR
    @MagnetismR Рік тому +4

    I effing love sound design. I effing love old school video games. I effing love essay style videos of intermediate length. And I'm the editor of Jerma's subtitles. Subscribed. You're not just a hen dropping knowledgeable morning breakfast, you're an honest-to-god egg machine.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Holy smokes, big respect! I love a good subtitle edit, I watch basically ever video with subtitles on so I appreciate the work you do

  • @robertotandoi4224
    @robertotandoi4224 Рік тому +2

    You're a true scholar of videogame's music ! That's awesome ! Music is often overlooked in videogames by common users and critics alike. I would terribly like to do an exploration of the links between videogames and philosophy as you really well do with music and videogames. Keep it up !

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!! You should absolutely do something linking philosophical concepts with video games, I for one would be very interested in that

  • @RedSntDK
    @RedSntDK Рік тому +1

    There was something filthy, or gritty or however you'd describe it, about tracker music. It's slightly fuzzy due to the lower quality of the samples, and the music Alexander Brandon made for Deus Ex was the perfect timing of good writing and composing. You didn't even notice the low poly graphics back on CRT monitors, in fuzzy 1024x768@60hz resolution, 'cause you were so immersed.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      absolutely true dude! my take is that it has a lot to do with the bit rate of the samples used, but i cover that in great detail in my Half-Life video, so i didn't touch on it here

  • @Corcky54
    @Corcky54 Рік тому +5

    The sign of a truly amazing piece of entertainment is: When I watch/hear anyone mention, talk, debate, or play/stream it... I immediately want to install it again and play through for the Nth time. My older brother of 5 years bought it when it first came out. I remember watching him play it and was in awe. The world, the gameplay, the story and dialogue... and the music. I still to this day at the age of 32 hum a LOT of deus ex songs. I am typing this comment as it is installing. Always pick up the GEP gun at the airbase early game!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      Legend! So glad to have inspired another playthrough. It must have been amazing to explore when it first came out, because it still truly is a fantastically enjoyable game. Hope you enjoy your playthrough!

  • @KimperialMarch
    @KimperialMarch Рік тому +2

    I enjoyed every second of this - thank you! I've wanted someone to carry out a proper analysis of the soundtrack to one of the best games ever.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Ahhh thank you ! So kind! Glad you got something out of my analysis :)))

  • @Qaosbringer
    @Qaosbringer Рік тому +9

    I discovered your channel because of your Fallout music review. And I am excited that you decided to make a video about Deus Ex. I borned same year with Total Biscuit, and I love Deus Ex.
    Musics of the game from that era (Fallout 1-2, Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life 1, Diablo 1-2, Quake 2) had very weird and unique style. And these styles still feel very unique in this period of gaming. Most games follow expensive orchestral music, that's why I kind of miss such uniqueness.
    I am trying to make similar games with similar atmosphere, so your videos are very helpful to me. Thank you for that.
    I hope to see a Diablo 1 music explained from you.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      I think your onto something, the music from the games you mentioned are interesting similar. I wonder what that property is, might be worth investigating. Also, i fucking love Diablo lmao, so i will make something about it at some point no doubt

  • @haroldirl
    @haroldirl Рік тому +3

    i love your videos man, keep up.

  • @dylanmay4993
    @dylanmay4993 Рік тому +2

    Yet again a great video, I hope one day you do one on like Spyro or Crash games. But no mater what I cannot wait for the next one.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Mmmm that could be a cheeky bit of fun, made me think of the original Harry Potter games too which are a fun vibe

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      also simpsons hit and run is giving the same energy

  • @WoundedKite
    @WoundedKite 8 місяців тому +1

    Outstanding video. Always loved this soundtrack, and always felt it was the perfect accompaniment to the immersive roleplaying. Now, a mere 25 years later, I understand why. Thank you, Simon!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  8 місяців тому

      thank you! really glad you enjoyed it

  • @leadrevolver
    @leadrevolver Рік тому +7

    Great video, deserves far more exposure.
    Deus Ex is one of the rare instances of everything going right, a complete piece of art, where every component is perfect and serves a single unifying vision

  • @kriegsdorff
    @kriegsdorff Рік тому +2

    So much love and care put into this, 11/10

  • @StanleyGurvich
    @StanleyGurvich Рік тому +2

    I wish you could experience it back in 2000. it was beautiful.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      I imagine it must have been! Sadly i wasn’t born yet 😨😨

  • @KapitanWasTaken
    @KapitanWasTaken Рік тому +2

    Great video! Listening to Deus Ex music and hearing about sound trackers actually pushed me to challenge myself to decipher Unreal package file format and extract .it file from .umx file with UNATCO music by myself with documentation and Python only, which I'll admit, wasn't that easy. To quote Tim Sweeney: "Abandon all hope ye who try to parse this file format."

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      god damn bro, that lowkey sounds hard asf, you're a wild one for that 🤝

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 3 місяці тому

      I can believe that quote if you're trying to understand the game-specific stuff, but from a cursory look in a hex editor, it seems like most of the file is just an IT module, plus a header and footer around it. For the purposes of extraction, the hard part would be determining where it starts and ends, which might be doable by just searching for the file signature and using knowledge of the IT file format to calculate its size from what's in there. Though UnrealEd can do the job for you quite easily.

  • @GrigoryRechistov
    @GrigoryRechistov 3 місяці тому

    "[They] use repetitive structures that undulate against a steady pulse, often refusing to give the listener a focal point to latch onto". - This is it! *Now I finally understand what is so strange about the Unatco headquarters theme!* I've been feeling it for 20+ years but never was able to put it into words! Thank you.

  • @guillaumeerard
    @guillaumeerard Рік тому +2

    This goes right up my playlist along with Bobin Threadbare's walk-through.🎉

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      woahh i had to look that up, what a deep cut. an og deus ex enjoyer to be sure

  • @Blankult
    @Blankult 9 місяців тому +1

    Honestly there aren't enough analysis on video game music, thanks for contributing to that

  • @Eyclonus
    @Eyclonus Рік тому +1

    I find this wonderful egg machine analysis of the music to really answer some questions I've had with the game's soundtrack being so easy to recall.

  • @merkquavious2
    @merkquavious2 Рік тому +1

    The OST of old games like Deus Ex are just so beautiful in a unique way

    • @vrapbrap
      @vrapbrap 3 місяці тому

      It's so otherworldly and has such a strong vibe. Just hearing it takes me back in time to that crusty, golden age. Powerful stuff.

  • @LEWIS_SPARTAN
    @LEWIS_SPARTAN Рік тому +2

    Love your videos so much man, been wondering where you have been! This video has given me the push to finally play this classic. Keep it up my boy!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Lewis! Glad to see you again!! Please come back and let me know how you like Deus Ex once you've played a decent chunk 😁

  • @Langtw
    @Langtw Рік тому +1

    The quality of this video, just in terms of the confidence of the editing and delivery is incredible for someone who has basically just started, let alone the actual quality of the analysis.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      thank you so much! your kind words are very encouraging :))

  • @Smumbo
    @Smumbo 11 місяців тому +1

    In a short time you've made some of my favorite analysis of several video games. By inspecting the meaning of these games through the lens of music theory/composition and sound design, you've unlocked a unique perspective that has enhanced my enjoyment of these games to a whole new level.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  7 місяців тому +1

      thank you so much! I'm really glad you have enjoyed my work, it means a lot and makes the effort worth it. Thank you also for taking the time to comment something so nice and kind :) ❤️

  • @vinny-zebu
    @vinny-zebu 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for the long breakdown, I've been listening to this OST for over ten years and it never gets old, this is possibly the best soundtrack in history of gaming.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  8 місяців тому

      glad you enjoyed it!! it's such a special soundtrack

  • @ShreddingDragon
    @ShreddingDragon Рік тому +4

    Thank you for making this! A really fun watch, and full of great insights. Especially concerning the UNATCO theme; the fact that sometimes soundtrack truly takes a leading role, and dictates the atmosphere and the player experience of that particular moment, instead of letting gameplay and everything else dictate them. Love your style, keep it up! 🙏

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Thank you dude!! Gordan also thought the unatco analysis was the best part of the vid so you’re in good company 😅

  • @VanBourner
    @VanBourner Рік тому +3

    Yeah.... I miss TB too.
    I was there Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago. In fact my uncle had Deus Ex pre-ordered (ironic, I know.... but back then pre-orders had their use - there was physical stock) and gave the disk to me after finishing it. I was 10 at the time. I have no clue why my uncle who was 25 thought "Yeah, great game for a kid" but still am glad he gave me the disk. He also gave me Half Life, Resident Evil and Silent Hill 4 so I guess he was really keen on me growing up well adjusted :D As a result most of the game's complexity went right past my 10 year old brain (also probably why I did not mind Invisible war that much - I saw DE as more of a RP shooter than anything).
    That intro and menu tracks absolutely nailed the mood. And I believe that Deus Ex was the first game with reactive music to many. Never really paid much attention to UNATCO theme tho and you show me the track in a very new light. Especially the remake once you escape UNATCO. The Hong Kong theme always reminded me of Age of Empires 2 for some reason lol.
    On a sidenote, I just only really notice that the three endings in DE are really similar to Mass Effect 3's endings. So three different endings are fine, they just have to be handled well I guess. The Helios/JCD ending is really somber musically and thematically, it seems to me because JC basically sacrifices himself for the greater good they wanted to match the mood with matching track.
    Glad seeing you make longer videos. Very good one again :) I am curios if you'll look into Bethesda games like TES and how the music in them evolved (or in Bethesda's Fallouts) as they hold similar theme but change it making a melodically unified leitmotif.
    Also completely missed out on the Patreon, so consider yourself patronised.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Sounds like a legendary uncle fr, he supplied you with some seriously iconic games. Making this video has made be interested in exploring more of the Deus Ex franchise because I'm only really familiar with the original and Human Rev, so maybe Invisible War should be on my list.
      I actually really like how Deus Ex handles player choice, it makes you feel very involved and invested in the story outcomes but still pushes you through a curated experience to ensure a high quality outcome. Having the autonomy to make your choice of ending at the last moment, when you have the most information, is also good i think.
      I am a known Bethesda game enjoyer so they are absolutely in my sightlines in the future.
      Thanks for the great comment once again and thank you so much for the support on Patreon !

    • @VanBourner
      @VanBourner Рік тому +2

      @@SimonZinzovski Yeah, he sure supplied me with stuff that 10 year old can't and shouldn't get. I mean entertainment wise. Probably partially because it pissed my mom - his sister off. I remember that Matrix was her limit (the stomach probe scene is what made her go "that's it").
      Honestly, unless you really want to explore a dead end of a franchise, do not bother with IW. Upon replaying DE as a more matured person and then trying IW, I realised why it is so overlooked, forgotten and hated even. I did not mind it because at the time I did not really pay much attention to stories or mechanics outside of shooting amd it is an ok shooter. CoD and Medal of Honor were like my "best of all time" games back then. Half life was "ok" to me because it took ages for me to get a gun. That's the kind of kid I was. I still do not understand how did original fallout grasp me so hard at like 12 but it changed my complete outlook on games.
      DE has incredibly nailed mechanics and balance with narration, and that is why TB regarded it so highly. You kill one potential adversary and they are out of the picture. You can approach so many missions invery unique ways. You still go through the motions of the story but it feels like you are doing the grunt work and just kinda going with the flow. I was hoping for Cyberpunk to be this...
      I do not mind the three endings of DE. It was very well prepared for that. It only really shows that narration has to work with mechanics to make that work. Mass Effect failed at this because the narration was fighting the mechanics.
      Can't wait for a Bethesda vid, Inon is very interesting and recognisable composer.
      And no worries, you deserve it.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      That's an interesting point you make about Mass Effect, it's not a series I have any experience with beyond a bit of cultural osmosis. I also hoped for something more immersie out of Cyberpunk, but that game does some aweesome stuff with its music that i would really like to discuss in some way

    • @VanBourner
      @VanBourner Рік тому +1

      @@SimonZinzovski Cyberpunk's music is just top notch. Genuine good songs and melodies in the game, but then again it's from the people that made Witcher that also had really good music.
      ME is great if you want to enjoy the journey and not the destination. At least that is my way to cope with the ending. The music of ME is still phenomenal to me.

  • @ramdom_assortment
    @ramdom_assortment Рік тому +1

    Thumbs up for not only a great video, but also the Faye Wong reference. You are truly a man of culture.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      I found her through Chungking Express (obviously), but she also has fantastic music (as im sure you know)

  • @DSlyde
    @DSlyde Рік тому +4

    Time to keep my 100% watch rating up, plus this is my favourite egg machine.

  • @Nathaivel
    @Nathaivel Рік тому +1

    You’ve produced a unique and thoughtful long form analysis of deus ex. I gotta give you some engagement for that.

  • @fazilfaruqui1634
    @fazilfaruqui1634 6 місяців тому +1

    Love long analysis Dude 👍🏻

  • @courier665
    @courier665 Рік тому +4

    Another absolute banger of a video my guy.

  • @TheEpicSands
    @TheEpicSands Рік тому +2

    Friday is gonna be awesome when Simon Zinzovski uploaded! Thanks for a video, very based video, very interesting point of view! Can't wait for the next video!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Hell yeah dude! Glad I could brighten your Friday

  • @Hoogsniv420
    @Hoogsniv420 Рік тому +2

    Literally just playing this and hoping that you’d make a video on this, so thank you.

  • @PrutteHans
    @PrutteHans Рік тому +2

    my (newly purchased ffs..) egg machine just broke down but seeing you upload really helped me cheer up! you go, simon!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      Jesus christ, hope find some other way to get in your daily boiled egg

  • @kersacoft
    @kersacoft Рік тому +1

    The Chateau Conversation track has to be my favoruite, but for me the most impactful is the Airfield Conversation, on your way through the 3rd Mission you barely enagage in conversations at Brooklyn Bridge Station or the old subway tunnels inhabited by the Mole People and they're fairly brief, never granting enough time for the theme to make itself properly heard until the conversation with Paul and afterwards with Navarre and Lebedev, for which the theme comes at you fresh and strong, for me it really helps set in the eerieness and significance of the events for the story and it's characters that occur inside that Hangar.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      very true very true, I feel like the events that occur at LaGuardia are the narrative linchpin for the entire story

  • @tehrOybOy
    @tehrOybOy Рік тому +3

    First, Deus Ex is an incredible game and formative for me. Second, great analysis! Third, Chateau was third best song? Finally, excellent delivery - very listenable, and thank you!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      I think it's a formative game for a lot of people! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for your support 😅

  • @kareliask
    @kareliask 7 місяців тому +1

    Amazing video, never expected anybody to take DE's music this seriously.

  • @mihaithemystic2890
    @mihaithemystic2890 2 місяці тому +1

    Some games really have masterpieces soundtracks, some.

  • @Nodux359
    @Nodux359 Рік тому +1

    I love this music. Had two music cassettes with OST in my car running nonstop whenever I drove around. Both tapes did break and tear due to the use. Frank Klepacki´s "Act on Instinct" for C&C got me into games, but THIS OST here.... it´s the equivalent of Vangelis´s music for Blade Runner.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      i love to see another Vangelis-pilled individual

  • @ConnorF-b1r
    @ConnorF-b1r Рік тому +2

    I learned about music, and the memes are on point. Fantastic video! I remember your post on r/deusex asking us about our favorite tracks, and this was worth the wait.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      yo! glad to see you come over from the reddit, thanks for supporting the video 😅

  • @joeljakubovic6830
    @joeljakubovic6830 Рік тому +1

    What better way to learn music concepts than through one of my favourite soundtracks! Great video. I hope it blows up like Gunther did when he heard his killphrase "egg machine" (might have misremembered that)

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      mmmm i think you perhaps misremembered that one... (thanks for the support tho)

  • @TwoSouthFarm
    @TwoSouthFarm Рік тому +2

    Ocean Lab OST kinda makes that area rather spooky to me. It's a pretty nice place ngl.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      It would be really lovely to work underwater and be able to watch the fishes and stuff, IF you didn’t get murdered by robots 🤖

  • @QueenReploid
    @QueenReploid Рік тому +2

    This is my favourite game of all time, and the helios ending is my favourite one as well. Your analysis is really incredible, and your take on it sounds great! Looking forward to more videos!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      hell yes! Glad you enjoyed my video and keen to give you more :)))

  • @GlebT
    @GlebT Рік тому +3

    Great video for a great game. Thanks, absolutely fantastic.

  • @Walterbennet3697
    @Walterbennet3697 Рік тому +2

    Honestly I think the industry should to return back to mod tracker music, cuz it sounds so much better, then what you hear in standard industry.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      If you wanna try cooking up some tracker music of your own, i linked some free tracker software in the video description. Be the change you wanna see and all that

  • @mohammednegm4007
    @mohammednegm4007 3 місяці тому

    4:07 Quick tip for new players: there's a bug in the game where the pistol skill will always be trained regardless of what the menu says. So if you leave it untrained, you get the skill without spending the skill points, meaning you can spend those points elsewhere.

  • @Hooticies
    @Hooticies 9 місяців тому +1

    much love. great video that's broken down very intelligently. this game is dear to me and the storyline is a chilling reflection of the direction of society today. almost like we're already dealing with UNATCO!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  8 місяців тому

      glad you liked the video! this is the one i'm the most proud of actually, so im really happy that you enjoyed it :)

  • @khatack
    @khatack 4 місяці тому

    The Helios Ending has the feeling of power and finality, with the menacing undertone that another Pandora's Box has just been opened.

  • @Nomad-bl4yw
    @Nomad-bl4yw Рік тому +1

    one of my favorite aspects of games is the music..it's soo good to have a channel dedicated to that

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      thank you! I love music and i looove games, so it just made sense

  • @erlandgerard7328
    @erlandgerard7328 Місяць тому

    You go man do your thing! I love your style. We need more UA-camrs like this. Much love!

  • @SBT222
    @SBT222 Рік тому +2

    I thought I have seen the most based video about Deus Ex. I was wrong. You have shown me a whole new level of basedness.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      thank you my friend, they call me brandon christopher mccartney fr

  • @sgRevan
    @sgRevan Рік тому +1

    This channel is gold! Great analysis. You put words on things I didn't know, and a few things I kind of knew but couldn't explain (because lacking any kind of music theory).

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  8 місяців тому

      heck yeah! glad i could affirm some of your internal thoughts !

  • @Y1001
    @Y1001 Рік тому +1

    Good stuff. Deus ex and it's music are important to me as well, and it's been especially relevant to me in the past few years.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +2

      It's funny how Deus Ex's influence has seemed to grow over the last 20 years, rather than shrink

  • @MrBrockHeinz
    @MrBrockHeinz Рік тому +9

    Damn, this is such a professionally edited video. Felt like I was watching a channel with a million subs, you got the editing, script, timing etc. down perfectly. Quality stuff my guy.
    I also love the TotalBiscuit reference, that's exactly how I found the original Deus Ex, too.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +2

      thank you so much! those are some very kind words! Also yeah, i felt like i needed to give some love to the OG, a man who is frankly hard to forget

    • @OrangeDog20
      @OrangeDog20 8 місяців тому

      "professionally edited video" means covered in poorly cut-out and mis-scaled overlays of mostly unrelated images?

  • @the_washington_monument_am9714

    Holy heck, the second half of deus_ex_type_beat.wav might be some of the most transcended music I've heard in a while. Thank you for this wonderful, wonderful opus.

  • @jaspervaneck3258
    @jaspervaneck3258 Рік тому +9

    Alexander Brandon did a lot of stellar work on Unreal Tournament(99) as well.
    Also, top-tier editing, you deserve a lot more subscribers.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +2

      Thank you! Glad you liked it :)
      The unreal music is great too and i might cover it in detail in the future

    • @USDebtCrisis
      @USDebtCrisis Рік тому +1

      @@SimonZinzovski Please do. Unreal is a brilliant game.

    • @hazels7967
      @hazels7967 Рік тому +1

      @@SimonZinzovski unreal's (1998) music is good, the unreal tournament (1999) music is legendary

  • @D--FENS
    @D--FENS Рік тому +1

    Thoroughly enjoyable and informative. I'm glad to know that Deus Ex is being appreciated by people who weren't there to see it released. I don't expect a similar examination of Planescape: Torment, but a man can dream.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      welll, i am a known Black Isle Studios enjoyer (as evidenced by my fallout video) so I wouldn't rule it out my friend

    • @D--FENS
      @D--FENS Рік тому +1

      @@SimonZinzovski These two titles have, in my opinion, the best writing to ever grace a game. I anticipate good things for your channel; your videos are clearly the result of a great deal of effort, and you are very knowledgeable about your chosen subjects.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      thank you my friend, i'm glad that you feel my videos provide vale to you 😁

  • @Pixelponny
    @Pixelponny 2 місяці тому

    Great video! You're the man. I don't think there's a point where we can stop discussing Deus Ex.

  • @adri.progression
    @adri.progression Рік тому +2

    EGG MACHINE EGG MACHINE EGG MACHINE. God, I love how you've presented the material so far, gonna finish this vid.
    19:20 Masterful editing work, thank you
    God, thank you! This is AMAZING work wow!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      bro hit me with the 3 piece egg combo 😫
      although, i have been told that it is a sign of respect, so i will i take it as such and thank you for your very kind comment 🙏

  • @papyesh2137
    @papyesh2137 Рік тому +1

    I've finished Deus Ex for the first time a few days ago and was wondering if there's a video that delves deep into the music of it. I'm so glad I found this, great stuff

  • @ReviersDigitalReels
    @ReviersDigitalReels Рік тому +1

    It's funny to think that, for all the trappings of its cyber futuristic, conspiracy filled setting, the story is ultimately the classic tale of a gallant(to a degree) hero being disillusioned by his government and leading a just and heroic(to a degree) rebellion against it. Which is likely why it's still great.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      this is very true, at its core it is a human story

  • @numbut100
    @numbut100 5 місяців тому

    You have earned a lifetime viewer. I learned things I never knew about my favorite game, thank you!

  • @re_medy
    @re_medy Рік тому +6

    Great content, as usual. Thank you.

  • @MrOGmaster
    @MrOGmaster Рік тому +1

    What you mentioned about the Helios ending soundtrack, I have noticed that in the first 45sec you hear those beats (I don't know the technical term for it) which sound like slow marching. This makes me imagine a king walking slowly towards his throne while being surrounded by his soldiers, ready to take over the world. At least that's my interpretation, and it's also my favorite ending.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      I like that interpretation! There is certainly a militaristic character to the rhythms in that ending, and JC is going to take his seat atop the AI generated throne. Thanks for sharing that :))))

  • @Star1000120
    @Star1000120 Рік тому +2

    My guy! Thanks for another great video. I was a bit delayed in sitting down and watching it since I've gone back to college (I refuse to listen to your videos in the background, your editing is too good). I honestly didn't know much about this game, so I'm happy that you not only went through the music, but the story as well. Love that you never died so you didn't initially know about/didn't get to hear the different death tracks. I love how the songs change as you progress, like the UNATCO one. And that Hong Kong song - The Synapse - it SLAPS. The last ending song sounds kinda sad, but I feel like I might be missing out on some nuance, so hard to interpret. Also I'd love to be a patron, but until I get a job, I can't afford the $18CAD/month, but I'll continue to like and comment on each video to boost engagement!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Star! My friend! It’s very meaningful to me that you are willing to pay so much attention to my videos, so thank you very much for that. Also hope you’re enjoying college, my partner lived on campus for her degree so i know it can be really good annnd really bad sometimes. Btw, absolutely don’t feel bad at all for not joining the Patreon, but does it show up as $18 Canadian per month for you? It should be $3CAD soo i might need to fix something 😵‍💫😵‍💫

    • @Star1000120
      @Star1000120 Рік тому +1

      @@SimonZinzovski of course! Your videos are 100% worth it. College is going well, it's my first time commuting to campus instead of living on campus, so it's a bit different, but not too bad! Oh and yes, the patreon was showing as $18CAD or $13USD last night. As of just now it's showing as 21CAD / 15USD

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      That's so odd, bc that's roughly what I'm earning per month on patreon lol, the individual cost is set to $2usd on my end. Oh well, maybe it'll fix itself at some point 😅

    • @Star1000120
      @Star1000120 Рік тому +1

      @@SimonZinzovski y'know what? I just never used patreon before and assumed that the 20/month was the monthly charge, not what you earn 😅 all sorted out now!

  • @googleforcedhandle
    @googleforcedhandle Рік тому +2

    thank you for doing justice to this incredible soundtrack and game, wouldve loved a deeper analysis of the duClaire theme, easily my 3rd fav track after the UNATCO and Hong-Kong themes, but thats a nitpick. Again, thank you

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Thank you my brother, and I always appreciate constructive nitpicks. The duClaire theme is very very dope indeed, and i know a lot of people really love it

  • @dom_40
    @dom_40 Рік тому +1

    the more i learn about the depth of this game, the more i fall in love with it
    Give Me the Gep Gun.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      omg he's learning pilled, somebody stop him before his brain gets too big

  • @soundguyjesse4446
    @soundguyjesse4446 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for helping my love for Deus Ex grow even more. I think I’ll have to reinstall this masterpiece

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      heyy, im not gonna stop you. i think ill come back to it in a few months and play through some of the iconic mods

  • @Garikun1654
    @Garikun1654 Рік тому +2

    Beautiful video! I hope we get more of this goodness! Could be awesome if u did other games too or even movies!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому

      Thank you!!! I am absolutely planning on covering some TV and Film content in the future

  • @ЕвгенийГрязнов-ю4я

    Man, this was an experience! The music, editing, narration, everything come together to deliver. Earned a sub. ❤

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      thank you!!! happy to know that you enjoyed it :)))

  • @koreniakis
    @koreniakis Рік тому +3

    Truly, one of the videos (and OStTs)! Thank you very much for sharing and spreading the love for games and music which will forever deserve it.
    As for this video, not gonna lie, it felt a bit less impactful, but that might be because of the nature of the game. It is more serene and sinister, with almost no wow-moments in the tracks.
    Lastly, I wish we would learn more about the connection between Deus Ex, Unreal, and the egg machine ❤

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      bruh there is no egg machine connection...
      fr tho thank you for your kind words and continued support 💕

  • @1KiloDepartment
    @1KiloDepartment 16 днів тому

    I really like the endings in this game and the discussions around them!
    I got Deus Ex about 2 years ago, recently played it with the Revision mod, but even though it has higher quality soundtrack, I still switch off to the regular. It just feels amazing, and like you said, the memories attached to them are as strong as whatever nano-augmented material would exist in Deus Ex!
    So onto the discussion of the endings: One thing people have noted with the TT and Illuminati endings are that they would not fix the issues the game represents in the long run!
    The Illuminati can still be corrupt, like it happened in the story, and nothing is stopping humanity from rebuilding the technology that was destroyed after the black out.
    So the Helios ending has become fan favorite, especially since the promise to take each individual into account, such that society can function like it did before, and those who want to distance themselves from it can.
    But then comes Invisible War, and the cancelled sequels: IW gives us the same 3 endings (and a 4th unimportant one), but this time the Helios ending has changed a little, in many peoples opinion to the worse: JCD/Helios now want to assimilate everyone into itself with nano-augmentation, reducing our individuality to solve the world's problems.
    This didn't seem right to many players, so then comes the cancelled sequels: What we know is that in one of them, Paul Denton would have been a leader of a disconnected resistance group against JCD/Helios's utopia. This shows how bad the IW Helios ending became, as Paul was JC's biggest supporters. So something must have gone very very wrong, and I really wish we would've gotten to see it!
    Anyway that was a lot of text!
    Most of this comes from the comment section over at "Deus Ex: Invisible War JC Denton's Plan", where I first got the information about the ending and the canceled sequels. I just shortened everything here.
    Other than that, I really think this is an interesting topic, especially with how close the first game represents our current world!
    I can only hope we get the benevolent Helios ending of the first game, instead of any of the rest, or whatever worse things humanity can cook up.

  • @snardigan2026
    @snardigan2026 Рік тому +1

    I think the Helios ending theme symbolizes JC giving up his own identity. Quoting of the title theme is an acknowledgement of him sacrificing his individuality to produce the outcome he thinks best for the human race. The latter part represents the new JC-Helios entity and it's drive to shape the world, so the melody takes on a repetitive, mechanical affect as it reaches it's climax.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Ahhh interesting that you feel like the the title theme represents JC and a quotation of that being subsumed into the music is reflective of his transformation. its a good point, and i hadnt thought of it like that before

  • @johnnysack1489
    @johnnysack1489 3 місяці тому +3

    Wow, a Northernlion & Jerma viewer who is into Deus Ex, Half-Life and music production??? I'm looking into a mirror :D love your content so far, subscribed!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  3 місяці тому

      I also love the sopranos AND twin peaks…

  • @ivancar555
    @ivancar555 Рік тому +3

    I remember getting this game as a little whippersnapper and it has stuck with me since, definitely one of the most memorable games I have ever played. Excellent video as usual and hope to see you cover New Vegas, though I don't think it has much in the way of music as it does everything else.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for watching Ivan! You're right about New Vegas but i thought it could be an interesting way to explore licensed music in video games, we shall see tho

  • @LuiDeca
    @LuiDeca Рік тому +2

    fellow composer here that loves Deus Ex, and not just the music, but the whole game in general. Controversial: I also enjoy HR and MD (although their music isn't as cool). Also the memes on your video are gold.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      thank you Lui, appreciate the love. I really might do a deus ex part 2 in the future and cover the modern games, they are v v cooll

  • @antivalidisme5669
    @antivalidisme5669 6 місяців тому +1

    I can't believe I missed this, thank you YT for messing up with the bell. Like Starcraft a couple of years earlier and Mask of the Betrayer or the first two STALKER some years later, I've experimented this game during a very dark part of my life and those journeys have been such a relief and in many aspects a genuine lifesaver. I'm so glad I DID receive the notification for your Yu-Gi-Oh video this time.
    Anyway wonderful journey once again and that red phrygian cap appearance was the cherry on top of the cake if you ask me. cheers

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  6 місяців тому +1

      fellow phrygian cap enjoyer!! Really glad you found this one and enjoyed it, and thanks for sharing some of your own story with the game 😊

  • @interwebzboy666
    @interwebzboy666 Рік тому +2

    Love hearing the love for TB. Still miss him to this day

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Yeah brother, he is, was, and will always be a legend

    • @interwebzboy666
      @interwebzboy666 Рік тому +1

      Fantastic video by the way. Would definitely be interested in hearing your thoughts on either Vegas or dark souls

  • @lordjellyfish4745
    @lordjellyfish4745 Рік тому +1

    I never tought I would find Deus Ex so interesting and even more the video essey about its audio. nice vid

  • @mikeylitchfield4651
    @mikeylitchfield4651 Рік тому +1

    Never played it as a kid either although as a 90's kid and millennial I was part of the generation where had I, it wouldn't of been considered a retro game at the time. Kind of wish I did. I enjoyed the hell out of this the first time I played it a couple of years back but had I played it as a kid it would have been my favourite childhood game and I probably would have wasted hundreds of hours on it. The music sure stands out too. Alexander Brandon did a bang up job.

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  Рік тому +1

      Yeah i getchu on that feeling. When I was having my New Vegas obsession era as a teen I probably would have adored this game just as much. But still, plenty of time to enjoy it now 😅

  • @kyrylon9945
    @kyrylon9945 Рік тому +2

    Woah, very few views, yet a very quality video! Great job!

  • @Krudanze
    @Krudanze 7 місяців тому +1

    Amazing video and channel. I was watching this while on a treadmill and stayed on longer just so i could finish the video. Thats how good it was. Keep it up!

    • @SimonZinzovski
      @SimonZinzovski  7 місяців тому +2

      Wow really! That's awesome! The mental image of that actually makes me so pumped, I too love consuming content while on cardio machines