Sarge Easter Grip | Common Problems & Fixes
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- This video addresses some common issues I have seen with people trying the Sarge Easter Grip and what you can do to correct the problems.
If you have any questions or comments, let me know below!
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I have a damaged ring finger where the first digit was broken back in 1989. For years I played with spans and pitches but suffered with finger pain as well as excess soreness. I just switch today and got used to it after the first game. Bought a new ball and drilled it using this drilling and hit a 279 with a Roto Grip Attention star. I'm glad I found your channel.
Thank you for this video. I havent bowled due to aging and me breaking my hand 12 years ago, i used to be a 220 average bowler but last week i got one of my old balls drilled(white dot messenger from 2008 lol) by one of the shop owners here in my town, threw a 230,221 and 189 but after the 3rd game my ring finger was very very swollen to the point i couldnt bend at the end knuckle and thinking about just giving up on bowling until i came across this video, i may go out and buy a cheap ball and see what the pro shop thinks on this grip and try it out. Appreciate the information on this video and keep up the good work!
Years ago Mo Pinell owned the Mohawk Lanes up in Rome, N.Y. I was a pretty good young left hander then. We had a 4 game classic league at 9 o'clock on a Friday night. The real action would start after bowling when we would lock the door and party til the sun came up! Which is a whole other story not fit to tell here. Anyway, talking. to Mo one night about having a bit of a problem scoring. He told me to bring him a ball I thought hooked 4 boards too much, he plugged the ring finger in my black Angle and drilled the Sarge Easter Grip in it without telling me what it was. I consistently bowling over a 1000 every set with an occasional 900. The man was ahead of his time with ideas about the game and gave me some valuable help that I still draw upon.
Always wanted to try this Easter grip but when I ask this question to many pros they say you will have problems but this video helps with my questions hope to hear more content from you enjoy all your vids
What a Master class on the sarge Easter grip. Q-Being that I have arthritis now in my hand’ I am wondering if this would work for me, thank you Nick.
Keep dropping the knowledge man, appreciate it and the hard work it took to bring it.
Excellent! I have been curious about this grip. Although I am not willing to try it, because I don't think I need it, the video provides excellent advice. I feel like I already have more stress on my middle finger than my ring finger on a "conventional" fingertip grip.
Excellent description of this drilling. Great suggestions for a starting point on changes.
Well im finally making the switch, dropped 2 off with PSO to get switched to sarge, going to pick them up today. This vid was big part of me making switch. Keep up the great vids.
Good luck!
Since I remembered having tendon issues from bowling 20 years ago, when I went to a pro shop last year to get a new ball so that I could start bowling again, I asked for the Sarge grip. The pro shop owner said “You don’t want that”. He also told me to throw away my brand new wrist brace that is supposed to help prevent tendonitis. So after bowling a few games for fun last year, guess who had tendonitis? Why are there so many “know it alls”!
Need to find a more accommodating pro shop “professional”. 👍🏻
Thanks for putting this video together.
Its funny to me that you grabbed the rhino as your display ball, thats the first ball i got drilled sarge thanks to all your backlog of sarge content. Good pick!
I don't use the Sarge, but I do have a dropped ring finger. These tips were very helpful. 👌
Nick - this is exactly what I needed. Had switched over, but still having pain in my second ring finger joint.
Currently have one plugged up to try a touch shorter span and new pitches. Thanks!
Hope it helps! It should!
@@brunsnick- still getting some pain in my ring finger second knuckle. Feels like I am almost hyperextending my ring finger upon release. Any thoughts on this?
Great info. Just started bowling again after almost 30 years, man have things changed. So i now have my first finger tip ball at the suggestion of the shop pro. My ring finger and wrist hurt after a few games. My first game is usually decent and I go downhill from there. Considering either trying the Sarge Easter grip, or going back to conventional.
Have them take a look at your hand and let them make an adjustment before considering sarge. 👍🏻
Just had it done last night. Rolled around 3 games on a Phaze III. Feels good so far and it seems like the ball "works" better. Maybe I'm getting more efficient motion? Have pain from previous pitch issues but seems less strenuous. Giving it time to get used to it. Thanks for the info! Extremely fortunate to have a knowledgeable pro that didn't automatically shut me down when I recommended it.
I have hand and wrist problems from a previous injury. I can usually bowl 2 games with no pain. By the 3rd game though I will have pain in my hand around my thumb and as well as my wrist. Do you thing this grip will help.
I have forearm issues and will have extreme pain after several games of lifting to produce revs with a finger tip drilled ball. I would like to try this grip because I believe it is a ring finger issue as the forearm tendon that hurts the most is in my most inner forearm. My fear is that most Proshop will not have the knowledge or patience to drill this layout correctly. Is there a clinic that you offer for getting this measure, drilled, and tested? I would gladly fly out and pay for such a clinic!
have a real question when u do the span for this layout how much shoter is ring finger ? my tip span is 4 1/8 so what would be my ring finger span in your opion ? any info would be great thanks.
Is there any side pitch change to the thumb when the finger pitch is changed?
I wear the bionic positioner to give support to my tendon and ulnar nerve pain from the wrist to the elbow. Will the sarge grip .ake it so I may not have to use the positioner. I only throw a 12 lb ball, so I really cant drop any weight with the ball.
Good info, i was wondering about the finger holes in your bowling balls. Personally, I'm not interested in switching. After decades of basketball with both middle and ring fingers being broken at different times, my fingers are crooked AF.
Very interesting. I injured my middle finger when I went up to 15. So now I’m always looking to figure something out to keep from getting discomfort in my hand.
How much did you end up shortening your span? I want to change my thumb pitch. It’s currently at 1/8 reverse but I want to change it to 3/16 forward. How much would you recommend to shorten my span? I’m currently at a 4 3/16 middle finger span.
Answeref a lot of the common problems. Very knowledgeable video. Been thinking about it because of arthritis in the thumb. Would like your thoughts on using this grip for that reason
May want to look at a shorter span with more forward (or less reverse) in the thumb to start. Whatever you can do to reduce grip pressure.
Can you explain how to use vent holes? Like I imagine that tiny hole goes all the way down and meets the ring finger hole down lower than where your finger actually goes in. How do you measure that, both location of the hole and pitch? What size bit is that?
Thank you for taking the time to talk about the grip. If you don’t mind me asking I have two questions. Does this grip help with hand swelling? Is there a place to get a layout for it to get started? Thanks for the valuable feedback.
Lowering your grip pressure and friction upon release will minimize swelling. Any pro shop pro can fit you in this grip, but if you’re having swelling issues, get your issues looked at first.
Thanks
Thanks for this video, Nick. My issue is arthritis in my thumb but have only a small amount of pain in my fingers. In your opinion, is SE an option for me?
Thanks
Probably not. But sounds like shorter span and more forward in the thumb is in your future.
Any thoughts on a Sarge Grip on a no thumb ball for 2 hander?
@@J0e_Weee not really, but it could work.
Great vid, Nick! I tend to release the ball off the side and have the problem that my middle finger is feeling all the release pressure, while my ring finger feels nothing and isn't helping. I'm wondering about a reverse Sarge grip, where the middle finger is dropped and made conventional, while the ring remains as is with a fingertip grip.
Could that work?
Thank you
Anything could work. Have I seen it? No never.
Nick, when you get the Sarge fit right such that it almost feels like your ring finger isn't even in the ball, as you described, do you naturally get more axis tilt and rotation? I remember Mo Pinel often talking about reducing the influence of the ring finger if you want to increase tilt and rotation. One other question - just a curiosity - does that little vent hole intersect the ring finger hole somewhere below the surface?
The grip never really affected my tilt. That’s something that shouldn’t always be static anyway. My tilt will change as I’m playing different parts of the lane.
And yes, the vent hole hits the bottom of the ring finger to vent air.
Hi Nick! Love your channel. I've recently started to struggle with discomfort the first knuckle of my index finger (where palm and finger meet). Been working with PSO on pitch changes, rolling grip, etc. Do you think a sarge would help relieve pressure from that area? Or, since this grip is intended to take stress off the ring, would it add more to that side of the hand? One handed, thumb in bowler. Thanks!!
Not really sure that Sarge will help with index finger joint pain. Does it only hurt when you bowl?
I have a elbow issue, with my ulnar nerve. Wonder if this grip might help with that?
Possibly. It all comes down to reducing your grip pressure.
good video,i switched to this grip after having tendon issues in the ring finger and it was working well..drilled another ball but pro shop owner changed the span of the finger holes now im having pain in the middle finger tip,any ideas?
Tell your pro shop about that. The change isn’t a good one.
Can i ask what’s your thumb pitch. Thanks for your information
3/16 forward and 1/8 right. Total spans are 4-5/16 and 3-1/4
Have a bigger hand. Middle finger is 4 3/4. Current pitch in thumb is 1/8 back. Should I start at zero pitch in the thumb to start to make sure I can clear it?? Great info as always, thanks.
@@KC-zz1so I’d try it as is and see if you need to add forward or not. 1/8 reverse isn’t excessive for that total span.
Love to try this grip. Where are you located and do you drill for people? Thanks in advance 😃
I don’t, sorry!
Would you recommend this grip for a lower rev bowler fighting arthritis in the hand?
@@thomen789 I would have the pro shop check your grip and refit you first. Let them know the issues you’re having with your hand.
@@brunsnick Thank you for your response. He has refit and changed pitches in both fingers and thumb. I was just wondering if you had any experience with the grip easing the inevitable effect of time.
Thanks again
Is there an advantage for you to have your finger holes angled like this or is it like this to take pressure off your ring finger?
-curious-
Yes. I bowl pain free now. No more ring finger issues.
Very informative!
Hi Nick, I actually tried sarge about 2 years ago, found that my finger nail on my ring finger was hurting, and turning blue/black under the nail, I gave up on it, and switched back to regular finger tip. Lately getting pain in my elbow and tendon, and wondering if sarge might help with that. Could the issue with my black and blue finger be from the bridge, and or the side pitch, and might this help with tendon/elbow pain? Thanks.
Likely too long of a span.
@@brunsnick ok, thanks
So Nick…when going to this grip…did you offset the thumb to accommodate the change in the ring finger?
No
@@brunsnick Thanks for getting back on this!
@@steveg7018 welcome! Yeah I’ve never done an offset. Everything is on the centerline
how hard is it to get used to this grip? I haven't thrown it yet, but ball is drilled and ready. guess I should just throw first few pretty slow.
I gripped it to see what it felt like. while the ring finger was in the ball, I felt the ball on that finger on the left side of it and none on the right. not sure if that means the ring finger hole was drilled to much to the right. I'm a right hander.
keep up the great videos bud.
It's possible the bridge is too wide or not enough right pitch but try it and see.
Nick, my 15 year old daughter has issues with squeezing her grip to tight at times causing her to carry the ball across in front of her body by the time she get her fingers out of the ball. Do you think the Sarge Easter grip might help with her grip pressure? She is left handed and throws 15# balls with finger tip grips with approximately 14 to 14.5 miles per hour speed and lower rev of 250ish.
No probably not. I’d suggest maybe a refit or at least get the thumbhole more snug. The more she can relax her hand and grip pressure the better. She’s still growing so maybe the span needs to be addressed. A lot of times with youth it’s because the thumb is way too big.
Her span is correct, our pro shop guy refitted her a few months ago. Would a pitch change in the fingers and or thumb help? I would have to check with our PSO to see what they are at now.
@@hfdsso14 possibly yes. Hard to say from where I’m at though. A lot of things can contribute to squeezing.
Having real issues with nerve damage in my thumb. Do you think this style can alleviate this issue? Thanks
Possibly, but I hope you have seen a doctor about that.
@@brunsnick had my GB2 switched over to Sarge Waster last week and shit a season high 706. Down side still having thumb issues. Going to look into changing my thumb pitch. Thanks
Sounds good! Might need a little shorter span and more forward pitch to alleviate grip pressure in the thumb.
The sarge grip helps the ring finger if you have problems, what can you do if the issue is on the middle finger , tried shorter , more reverse , still has alot of discomfort do you have any suggestion for this.
Maybe a vacu install on the grip.
@brunsnick tried that, tried shorter span, tried more reverse , tried also using index finger non really work. The reverse sarge was more comfortable not sure I was coming out the ball correctly.
I had been working with Mo Pinel on my grip as I have dupuytren's disease and we moved to a Sarge eater grip now my biggest issue is I have zero tilt.... No matter what I do I can't seem to get any tilt.
65 just decided to start bowling again. Bowled 2.5 games with a 16 lb ball.
Still have lingering pain in the ring finger 10 days later.
Will a 14lb help or should I try the Sarge Easter grip in a lower weight ball?
Drop weight to 14 👍🏻 no need to throw 16lb anymore.
what about the offset thumb?
Plugged the ring finger in an existing ball and drilled the ring finger for the Sarge Easter grip. Went half and half with the pitch and it felt very comfortable. Came out of it clean.
Only issue i had was I didn't feel locked in, if anything it made my middle finger feel like it was short/shorter. I kept my thumb at 1/8th reverse.
Anything you can suggest to feel more locked in?
It’s possible that the span there was measured a bit too relaxed. Does it only feel short on that side? Could also snug up the finger hole with tape. Snugger the better
@@brunsnick possible it is short because I was getting a slight indentation by my knuckle. I think a little longer and tighter may be the ticket.
NICK!!!! This vid is right on time!!! I’ve been using Rx arthritis cream under a golf glove (almost like PDW except without any hand…). Osteoarthritis in the ring finger leaves me achy for days after just a 3 game set.
I’m going to talk to my PSO at Demo Day tomorrow.
BTW…that shot with Mo…just brought a smile!!!
Sir. My ring finger will not bend at 1st knuckle. Broke it in high school, had surgery & they cut the out knuckle and pined it.
Should I try this grip?
Maybe? Please consult your pro shop and let them look at your hand. It could work.
Ya. Be a hellava road trip to have u look at my hand. South Dakota isn’t a hr drive to you i don’t think
Nope it isn’t.
what would you say to someone who is low rev and bowls from a wheelchair who wants to try this layout? just curious
If you’re having hand issues then it might be worth a shot. Or at least a conversation with your pro shop. 👍🏻
What did the Sarge Easter do you your tilt? Increase it?
Not really no. Tilt is something I can vary
Question? With new rules how is the vent hole legal?
Because it’s a vent hole, not a balance hole. Can have 1 per hole if you want.
Could you use this grip with both grips?
With both grips?
@@brunsnick yes.
@@JamesCFelty3 I don’t understand your question. Are you asking if you can use a grip in the ring finger too? I wouldn’t advise.
@@brunsnick that’s what I was asking. I can see why now. Ad always great information and videos!
Well I wish I know a pro shop that has more knowledge about full rollers especially those that deals with forearm supination
Btw pop sound is satisfying for me.
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling ball Brunsnick
what would u say about trying the the finger holes in a sarge easter grip but 2 handed
Worth a shot, might be the first.
My pro shop operator drills my balls the same he has but he just dropped my ring finger and it feels like it just sets and doesn't do anything but I love it alot I can get a more control compared to my fingertip balls
you have a balance hole in your ball 😄 jk
Legal cheating 😎
what about the offset thumb?