Jordan Peterson's WARNING About VIDEO GAMES
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Jordan Peterson believes life is a game and whether you win or lose depends on the decisions you make. So does he think you should play video games or are they a waste of time?
00:00 - Intro
00:27 - Negative Views of Gaming
00:38 - Dr. Warren Farrell's Opinion
01:13 - Vulnerable Young Gamers
01:30 - Jordan Peterson's Opinion on Gaming
02:02 - Gaming as a source of meaning
02:29 - Life as a sequence of games
03:41 - How to win at life
04:30 - Jordan's 7th Law of Life
05:22 - How much should you play?
06:36 - Get gaming under control
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In other words, play the game of real life.
Life isn't a game.
@ziher123 and thats why no one will ever remember your name, as harsh as it is to say. maybe my name will be lost too, but yours definitely will be if that's really how you feel. We should all be striving to make a mark on history in some positive way. i hope you decide to come out of your self imposed prison.
Beating your video game addiction is a game about being a real person.
@@skahg4771 he will realise this at the age of 40.
@@skahg4771 congratulations on finding the key to a VERY frustrating life.
I'm 20 years old, recently sold my entire physical came collection from ps2 up until current gen stuff, that really helped just not seeing games on the shelf, just started the process of deleting all my game accounts. I am about 3 months into quitting games, I started learning Spanish and playing the piano, been going to the gym every day in last month, I could not think of anything I would rather be doing, life is the most amazing deep and complex game of all, give life a chance! I'm sure you will get addicted and spend thousands of hours experiencing the magic of reality. I now look bad in sadness, most of my gaming was not even for enjoyment, but out of a desire to escape from my real world problems.. It can be scary to face life, take it one day at a time, start to reduce your gaming bit by bit, slowly add in new hobby's and I'm sure you will not regret it.
Thanks for that
Good, next build your own business.
Beta male soy boy incels hahaha whiners who hate games haha
I wonder - do you guys are all just former console addicts, cause there is a huge difference.
Glory to God, I have a different but similar story, I was addicted to many forms of entertainment that I never did my hobbies, hardly spent time with family or God, my addictions were basically idolatry. But when I got out and found like minded people and got closer to My Jesus in the church, socializing, doing my hobbies... going out, it's so beautiful and I thank God he has given me a chance to change.
Quitting partying, doing drugs and alcohol, fake friends, being lazy and unproductive was the best decision of my life. Now after 3 years of working on my personality and working out...I realized something which was on my mind a long time ago. I need to cold turkey quit gaming. Thank you for these uplifting Videos. More people need to see this, look in the mirror and face their inner demons. God bless everyone who started the journey of not wasting any more of their precious time on Earth!
You've made huge progress that's well done. Good luck on your next chapter!
Sigma good job and I encourage you to keep track on a calendar so you don't have to remember everyday what you're at towards recovery I count day 14 today for myself. Keep up the good work.
I personally think the key to partying is to learn how to do it without any kind of drugs and actually have fun on it. For example, I somehow enjoy going to the disco fully sober and just go to dance. Of couse, I party way less than back when I drank, but every single time I go partying nowadays feels amazing.
I am also trying to quit them. I have serious reasons, because I am a compulsive player! I've played lol for 4-5 years, I quit school and would stay months without even go outside. Totally depressed.
Two years ago I decided I should look for help (due to Dr Peterson advices), and I found out i am bipolar. That was not due to the game, since I was a kid I would manifest manic and sociopathic behaviors.
Another thing. I am terrible at games! Four years playing LoL non-stop, gold V was the righest rank I achieved.
BORING
OK to everyone saying once they gave up gaming their life improved - it's not the gaming that was stopping your growth, it was you procrastinating. Even reading a book as a form of procrastination is bad if it means you're letting more important achievements in life go past.
As for 2:16 - spending 50 hours per week doing ANYTHING will destroy your life. Except sleeping.
Overall, work first then play. And in your play time do whatever makes you happy. And try to have more than one hobby. What I try to do is spend the first 4 days of the week working hard and doing what I need to do in life. Even if it means over a couple of days I get absolutely no down time. Then the last couple days of the week my time off gaming or whatever, feels like a well earned reward.
Agreed, I find it really weird that people keep giving these reasons to blame video games for the negative effects on their lives when those same negative effects can come from any other form of entertainment, including ones that they (more than likely) use currently in their lives, like binge-watching UA-cam videos or Netflix
Quit making excuses go outside and have fun.
@@professorb5921 What are you talking about? I go outside plenty - with my girlfriend, to see a movie with mates or where ever. I goto the gym, play the piano, study. Cook sometimes haha. Many of you seem to think that gaming can not be done in moderation.
@@nerdgamer2749 Video games always has been always a good target for people who actually never played them and imagine every gamer as a greasy pizza box buried WoW meatbag with no social life. I am surprised that in 2023 people have still such a low education about such major media.
@@hrthrhs Especially those who never have played. Sometimes I think they might be jealous, lot of games require you to be more than average IQ.
I've drowned my brain in dopamine with videogames everyday since I was 4 until I was 22 and since I quit I feel like I just started to grow up into an actual person. This is a serious problem we are facing since theres many cases like mine. The internet is incredibly damaging to a young brain and I'm saying that as a young person myself
Social media is also a waste of time.
It's not damaging as long as you have a balance in your life, I play vide games, but not all day and go to the internet, but I also go outside to play and talk with my friends. I'ts only damaging if you do too much, it's your fault for not realizing that sooner
Damn we both really lived the same life lmao
Sure if all you do is playing. I play competitive games on my spare time (usually after dinner) and help me ease the stress. I never play during the day I prefer taking care of my family and house chores or social life and also, you know, work. Too much of everything is bad.
LOL! Says all the people commenting on social media😆
well as an avid gamer I have done things to not let games ruin my life
-lost 52lbs in 6 months
-Got a raise at my job
-Found a GF who is into gaming and other hobbies
-fixed bed time schedule
still playing videogames and these changes really made me happier but I still play games. It can be addicted but adding self-improvement habits do help and its has done me well
happy for u
@@Z3phlar well it sounds like he has found balance in playing video games so it's good.
When you have balance and discipline it's okay to play sometimes, but the majority of young people don't have that, and they fall in the trap of gaming, I am in the process of stop gaming, sometimes I game for 10 hours a day and after that I get nothing, just sadness lmao
@@HenriqueSantos-ts7it hmm? Sadness why? You must have achieved SOMETHING that other people couldn't
@@HenriqueSantos-ts7it stop blaming video games. Take accountability and do something. You dont have to cut out a hobby just to be successful and happy.
Moderation is key if you do decide to play video games. If you don't have enough discipline and goals to pursue in order to balance out gaming and building and living your REAL life, then yes you need to cut out gaming for a while, or maybe completely. If you develop the discipline over time and decide to game, then you'll manage your time better.
Bingo ! 👍
How many people play video games in moderation? The healthy amount of gaming is only 1-2 hours, most people play 4+ hours.
It’s not different from all the people saying games are bad and then spending all there time sucked into there phone
@@qtcollect4608How many people drive cars? It's not healthy even 10 mins.
@@Valdore1000 Couldn't you think of a more stupid example?
I was never addicted to gaming but still, cutting them off completely has 100% improved my mental health and well being, also of course, I'm way more productive now. The days seem like they are infinite now, I just have so much time to dedicate to my goals
Well.. gaming made us smarter and more spiritually inclined.
To each is own
XDDDD
lol wut? xD
Gaming is a hobby, and just like any hobby, 'balance is key'
And extra layer to it as well. Most folks need to stop thinking about one type of a gamer. Nobody talks about car addiction - because everybody does, because every idiot can drive. Same for "moderation drinking" and other nonsenses. Game requires a huge investment of your knowledge and intelligence if you want to make it something bigger than those old chaps are pretending to know about.
@@Valdore1000 I don't know any car gamers nor have I really gotten into them when I was younger but the driving sims these days look super cool. Plus if even just a little bit of it we're transferable skill from the games to real life than it would be more than just a hobby. I agree, like most things, ppl that don't 'get it's usually have bad takes on the subjects as they should have. You need to 'get it' to correctly evaluate something's significance
I don't give a shit about human rights video games need to be banned in the United States besides children and adults are acting like Peter Pan and they don't want to grow up and go to school get a job get married and have kids
@@Jason22Douce honestly you guys seem amazing and smart i love old poeples wisdom but lets be honest they aint always right infact theyre mostly wrong but pickout with benefecial leave everything else honestly for my case ive never considred an addiction per say cause for me it aint i find myslef playing for a little time then getting bored im also aspiring to be a game dev soo?
@@user-qm9tu7cp4t Really? And you think video games are the cause of all that? Well, in that case, i too suggest we should ban all side activities that people derive joy/dopamine from, and i'm certain that includes more than a couple activities that you do. Why? Because you should only derive dopamine from 'grow up and go to school get a job get married and have kids'. All while ignoring other causes that might better explain why people nowadays have such a difficult time trying to find their place in life.
My issue is more on getting temperamental when playing games. I do have a problem with balancing games and work that's why when I'm having too much to do, I end up not playing. But getting angry while playing becomes not fun anymore yet I get fixated over a certain level that I want to finish. It's annoying (the anger) because it's self-destructive.
The most dangerous situation is when you equate games with childhood, like I do, because leaving them feels like leaving the memories, friends, and experiences for an adult life which makes you feel as though the best part of your life is over, and you just have duty and at best 'lesser play' from here on out.
8 out the ten friends I grew up with playing games never stopped playing. They are all living in poverty now, missing teeth, smoke copious amounts of marijuana and cigarettes. The other two went on to become very productive members of society. Personally I have struggled with it over the years, but have gotten a handle on things. As a husband and father we are living the good life. Together we make 4x what the average American makes, and we travel, eat well, pray together, and find joy in accomplishing goals. It’s been so refreshing putting down the controller.
I totally understand your point. Many of us created some isles without a bridge so the transition is rough.
I think you simply should not stop gaming, just change what you get form it. Play less time and use it as a relaxing activity, try to find some constructive games. For example, don´t play FPS games and play City Skylines: on this example you go from a game which gives nothing to one which develops your creativity and enriches you in something, actually encouraging you to do some research and learning things which apply to real life.
That is just an example.
There's other toys to play with like a Lamborghini or something lol
What exactly stops you from playing em in adulthood. It's all about timing bro - I run, have a child, bought a house (and earned money for down payment in 2 years in this day and age) have a great new job, moved to a new city and have a best partner in the world, yet I sometimes play 20 hours per week. Maybe I am a sorcerer haha.
@@mauser8515 Wtf you were playing guys? You sure it was games?
I think one of the biggest things you can do is to refrain from gaming for a day and then make that 2 days. The addiction trap with gaming is that it occupies your mind every day of the week. Your conquest will only make progress when you have cleared whole days of the habit. The mindset is that you have to game every day and that you need this daily devotion to survive. By cracking this fallacy you demonstrate to yourself that taking a break from gaming every week for a few days is totally possible and great for your well being.
One day at a time 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Gaming is not a problem, it is excess or addiction
It's hard to give up, but worse to regret as a person who realizes what he's been doing
On the bright side, video games kind of suck now days relative to 10+ years ago. Made it very easy for me to drastically cut back xD
Think games are very dangerous. You start getting dopamine from nothing else. Unless someone can just strictly play like 1 - 2 hours and get off and not think about games anymore for the rest of the night or day, I don't think that person should play.
@@dodo5257-v3f Even 2 hours a day is arguably way too much if it is every single day. I was doing about 3 a day on average myself for a long time, and it didn't leave much time to do anything constructive after work.
I can't speak for others on this, but for me... for 10 years I just did not have the motivation to cook my own meals. That would mean I would need to wash more dishes, prepare the food to be cooked, then cook it and that process can take 40 min to an hour. Getting home from work having that urge to game had to just grabbing fast food on the way home for way too many years.
It is truly a motivation sapper.
@@someone-ji2zb Yep, the same happen to me. I didnt do face routine, didnt brush my teeth some nights. Kept delaying meals like 3 hours after when I shouldve ate already. At that point our brain is living a false reality, and actually thinks we're doing something with our lives. It releases so much dopamine because we're doing it at an expense of using no energy. Maybe when im retired ill play again, but for me It's just too dangerous. I hate having 0 motivation to do anything
Regret is such a useless feeling, I hate it
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Gleb did an amazing job!!! Very inspiring
He's got a very soothing voice! Very good fromat!
Nice work Gleb!
An incredible job by Gleb, im excited for what the future holds
Do we give a shit
Good channel! I am not exactly a game quitter yet but I was addicted to gaming when I was young, now I only play with my friends on and off, mostly fighting games. It's just too much fun beating each other up whenever we are bored lol, my life has been significantly better quitting pointless grindy mmo and mindlessly clicking heads in fps, was a massive waste of time.
happy to hear you've found the right balance for you - that's what it's all about at the end of the day imo
Poike as someone who rated 7 outta 9 on the game quitters test of seriousness with gaming I can tell you we are similar in nature. For me, it's as simple as no solo gaming allowed, but I can go to Dave & Buster's every so many months or intend to eventually do offline gaming with physical friends or family in my presence and I think you touched in your post about what it's all about. You find your sweet spot and D&B and very few other things are mine too so I'm not engaging in massive wastes of time like you spoke about at the end.
I started playing league around the end of S4 and the beginning of S5, and that was the best time I had playing this game. I quit because I realized it will never go back to what it was anymore, it's just not the same game I used to love...
I almost got kicked out of university because I couldn't stop playing during my first and second year. My grades, friendship, and social life suffered to the point where I cannot even recognize myself anymore. Moreover, my life was completely filled by playing league everyday for countless hours, and I was too embarrassed to tell anyone about my gaming addictions. I tried to quit by uninstalling the game quite a few times before, but it was only since June of 2020 when I managed to quit completely. On the day that I quit, I was so angry and frustrated that I lost countless ranked games in a row, to the point where I almost raged after I lost a couple of meaningless ARAM games just trying to win for once. I was no longer having fun but rather playing just because couple of friends who introduced me to the game were still playing. What really hit me was the sudden realization that I've put my blood and sweat over all these years, yet I was still hard stuck in Gold and couldn't win a single game that day no matter how hard I tried. I had never lost my mind like that before and I knew that I just couldn't take it anymore, so I deleted the game one last time for good. Since then, I haven't touched the game and I absolutely don't have any desire to play it again.
I regretted wasting six years of precious time, life, and money on this game, and it's something that I can never get back. Looking back at it, I don't miss this game at all. It was simply one of the best decisions I've made as it changed my life completely. I became a much happier person, as I found my purpose and calling in life through my church. In terms of my career, I made the decision to pursue a career in education after I quit. More importantly, just a few months after I quit I met my girlfriend, and we have been dating for over two years now. Honestly, I don't think I would have gotten a girlfriend if I continued playing. Your life will be in a much better state when you stop wasting your money and time on something that's literally a virtual reward and data. Seriously guys life is just too valuable to continue to waste it on something like this... it's never too late to quit and turn your life around.
Video Games are addictive, we need to train our society on getting the work done before gaming. That simple. The issue gamers have is procrastination, is we game before getting the work done. If we get it done, then no one cares about anything else.
well said
Procrastination will just manifest as something else other than video games.
Thanks for the video and thanks for introducing Gleb. I had played over a thousand hours in CS GO and I was like "wow that's a ton and I'm not even particularly good" and then I talked to other people and I found out people are spending 2, 3, 5, 7, 9 and more THOUSANDS of hours to "get good" at these games. I'm like, "bro, you could become a world expert at something practical with that much time". It made me reflect on how games can really just eat in to your time. I'm glad I woke up after "only" playing 1k hours.
Chill it's a hobby just like any other hobby. People spend more hours getting good at art, why don't these "motivational speakers" shit on them?
57 And still gaming, but not very often and mostly strategy.
I sold my ps4 and all games and all accessories for my second guitar. At that moment I said I’m officially done wasting time doing this activity. Now I’m getting better at guitar everyday and that’s much more satisfying.
The more poor my friends are, the more they play video games; the more they also do drugs. I think being born behind the 8 ball can be overwhelmingly depressing. Video games can help escape that hell when there feels like there is no escape. I think video games should be fun and engaging but extremely educational, so that they can cope with their hard lives, and potentially learn something that they never been taught.
Sweet mother of mercy :D That's bullshit.
I am 31. I screwed my career again at 28 by playing CODM day and night. Now at 31, Im readjusting my life and just quit porn and mobile game
I was addicted to games as a teenager, I still play today but in a very controlled manner. By prioritizing things like work, my sports and not playing unless I have completed tasks that allow me to have limited time to play games, I control it in this way. I have seen good growth by sacrificing extended gaming sessions and I agree with what Peterson says.
happy to hear you are doing better
@@GameQuitters appreciate it, keep up the good work
Links to the JP lectures and source of the quotes would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the lecture, and the quote "life is a sequence of games..." thank you
A lot of what has been said is true. There's so much FOMO in online games. It's been an good time to take a pause or try to cleanse/quit again with everything I wanted done for season 3. Been sober 4.5 days without WoW. Hard because I have irl issues that could spike again, zero control as a sense over the stalking, npd abuse that I've been subjected to over the past 8-9 years. A lot of old friendships also turned out to be with narcissists and fake ones irl that I've not much interest in rekindling. I've seen one of them, reached out to the other, finding those to be hollow, shallow, superficial, vacuous, and with likely non-malignant narcissists.
Those "experts" are incredibly clueless. That is because they make one big, basic mistake, they generalize and they also argue on the absolute wrong question.
Remember that not everyone is the same.
I owe gaming a LOT of my actual real life success right after my mother´s efforts of course. But everything my mother wasn´t able to help me with, I got from gaming: contacts which landed me a job, actually learning English and being the one in the room, any room, who masters. It helped me to develop great management and social skills through strategic thinking, planning and (most important and something that you cannot do in real life without consequences), simulation.
You see, games are to real life what BIM is to construction... you get to simulate something with no worries about death, damage or cost. Consequences are just virtual, for fun and simulation and you get to learn a great deal out of them. Someone smart enough can use this on their very own advantage in real life. There will be many scenarios, not necessary live or death, although that can easily happen too, where you can take on your HUGE actual real experience from certain games and apply it to real life. I have done it in the professional environment many times with great success... So I am certain that many others have done so too.
"When can gaming be a waste of time?" That would be the real question instead of "is gaming a waste of time?" At certain point you might no longer benefit from its priceless experience and it is then when you might need to consider your time investment into it. You don´t have to stop.. you can simply go fancy: for example, get yourselves a great set up, something you could have never afforded when you where younger and a great monitor and then... retire from gaming. No longer will you put 4/10 hours a day like a teenager... you are not getting anything out of that anymore. Instead, play an hour or two a day maybe, but play in luxury. It will still beat burning your brain cells watching some reality show on tv or even the news (another big reality show, really). It now gives you yet another benefit... you can disconnect and relax your mind. So it is in fact not a waste of time anymore, you are simply replacing any other braindead activity with something which actually keeps you mentally engaged, but in a more relaxed fashion.
Then someone else might just stop entirely if, let´s say, you want to open a business, write a book... have some project lying around.. It is only when you are postponing all those wishes and projects to game when it can become a waste of time.
beautifully written/
Good video. I like the clips you took, and I like that you didn't put any words in JP's mouth. I listen to him a lot and I'm confident he would agree with the message in your video and your interpretation of what he said. You're doing a good thing for a lot of people - all the best to you
thanks for the feedback, glad you enjoyed it.
Thank you to all who produced this video!
thanks Bruce!
I think really matters why you do it. Watching UA-cam videos (like this), gaming, social media, reading… if used for the wrong reason it will hurt you.
Really good video, pls keep up the good work.
thx
Super well done video! Really worth the subscription ❤❤
Glad you enjoyed!
videogames? social media is where it's at nowadays when it comes to time wasting and addiction. he needs to get with the times
It's rough when the games you know are ones which demand multiple hours per day to get decent levels of achievement out of them. Those ones just need to be cut out with extreme prejudice.
I sold my ps5 ,to get into real life grind
There were no games for it, anyway…. Haha kidding kidding, nice job!!!!
Is there a chapter in a book or an online blog specific about gaming from Warren Farrell? I'd like to read up on his views about gaming. Thanks for the video.
check out his book The Boys Crisis
When I was younger teens and early 20s I had a serious video game addiction. Now I get my dopamine hits from reading investing, accounting, finance, economics, and self help books. I also filled it with a working addiction and long term investing addiction. Now I level up in real life by investing $3,000 bi-monthly into my dividend brokerage account. Noting gives a dopamine hit like seeing dividends deposited into your brokerage! Who knew that leveling up in reality so fun. Video games absolutely destroyed my ambition when I was younger.
It's not necessarily bad, it is a hobby just like art or reading.
Planning to get a new ps5.. not quitting but joining 😊
Thank you very much
for providing useful and helpful content :)
Thx!
Thanks for your video
THE BIG QUESTION IS:
DO WE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE OUR LIVES ARE MISERBLE?
OR OUR LIVES ARE MISERABLE BECAUSE WE PLAY VIDEO GAMES?
Depends from person to person, no one is same, some people lives are miserable even tho they don't play video games or even if they weren't addicted to em
I play around half an hour per day, and not even every day. And I mainly play games where you have to think to proceed. Life itself is just a game, and what will matter in the end is not whether you won the game of life (Which you can't. You can only play it), but how you played it
Good content and formatted well
thanks Alex
Jordan Peterson has the best answer. As a psychologist too, i agree, video Games are very complex. Various factors need to be considered, like the kind of game u are playing, the Kind of personality u have, how much ur playing and many more. Research on playing video games are controversial. Allthough clear is high volume of playing video games is linked with pathological symptoms like depression and more. Moderate use is therefore key. If someone cant controll the time spending on video games games, then its probably best to avoid them. However if u manage to find a healthy relationship with video games research showed that there can be value in it. For example positive effects on cognition, social interaction and stress relief was found in various studies examining the effects of playing video games on mental health. However u should not play that much (best probably 1 or max. 2 hours per day), because with more time playing, the worse ur mental health will probably get.
Excellent video thanks man
Some of us are not disciplined or patient to play video games.
I love gaming. I don't think I'll want to quit soon but breaks do happen. so when I have to quit for some time I figure that's a good thing. But yeah good video.
We are talking about obsessive gaming.
If I play 1h after work to recover and chill - why is that worse than watching a movie or reading a book?
Maybe some people don't want to hustle 24/7.
Priorities
A time for fun a time for work. Life isnt a game, its more serious and hardwork which wont be fun, exhausting etc to survive for about 80 years. What is life purpose and are we alone in this world or are there others watching us? Who created us? This world? The universe? You dont play life lol?? you can play a game.
As a concervative this was compilation of all of my gods in one vid cheers
I don't want anything helpless to get in the way of my journey
Comparing yourself to other? Being competitive is a good thing and not only in video games, but also in sports that you actually play physically and is also competitive, it's npt compraing yourself to other but actually getting better that the person you were before, it's improving yourself.
thanks for the efforts
thanks :)
Balance is key in video games
I play video games to relieve stress, then after an hour or two I would do other activities. There is no harm in playing video games, but playing too much is no good, there should always be a balance and that is important, play games but also take care of yourself, go to the gym, talk to people whether in video games or meeting face to face. Games are not necessarily bad, it's up to you to stay healthy
I play games like one watches a movie. Probably more so than one watches a movie (when I start a new one), but I don't play a lot of games like Call of Duty. Mostly just Resident Evil, Silent Hill, and Zelda these days. For me, games can be immensely fun, but it's all about the aesthetic. I like a game with a richly compelling storyline, cool scenery, and dope music. I get all that from Zelda.
Video games are addictive. I do believe that what Mr. Peterson is saying is correct. Video games can be a time warp if you are not careful. Most people gravitate towards games because it's an escape from the reality of the life of that individual. Most of which are not content where they are in life. I was there I know. Lots of time can be wasted playing video games. Before you know it, you look in the mirror and you're a full grown man with grays in your beard. I commend this channel because I believe every man at some point has to grow up and reach their full potential. Other things in life should have the chance to be experienced. Some addictions could be just as bad as drugs. And video games are one of them.
Hooked for at least 10-15 years. I have finally managed to create a healthier relationship with them. It all started with playing a hell of a lot less.
The live is not just about performing. It is about fun too. If you mastered the life, you can enjoy games.
I spent so much time on my computer over the last 4 years. I have probably wasted so much time and who knows what my mind might have discovered if I just let myself feel bored so I could discover a productive activity. However it was a lifesaver during lockdown however when life continued, i already had my online buddies and enjoyment. So really the last 2.5 years of gaming have been wasted because I do not even enjoy them anymore, they are just an escape.
I love games but I totally agree with this statement.
Jordan Peterson is looking out for young impressinable men. Thank you Mr.Peterson and Game quitters ;_;
YALL THE GOATS.
Also psychology is essential to understanding the human mind and know what is dangerous. Escapism is so addictive.
I'm a game developer who just quit a few months ago, pay was decent... but earning more now... I was blinded by how cool making games would be, its such a trap, to stand out in game dev you need to devote WAY too much of your life to it. It's not worth it.
I agree with some fo this but I fail to see how excelling at sports unless you turn that into a job to support your family is any different.
It would be good to put the author’s name after their quotes.
People say that life is short, and it is. So people justify being lazy because there isn't much time for them and we are all going to end up in the same place at the end. Dead. So we spend our lives playing video games, doing drugs and drinking alcohol or only being productive when it is absolutely necessary, it may be fine for some people but for most, it isn't. Many of us will never see our full potential because we just aren't ready to give up comfort. Now you might feel like being lazy but your future self will hate you for it. Time is so valuable because it cannot be bought back and no matter how many times you wish you could go back in time and make changes, it won't happen.
I would say once being a videogame addict myself, I would stop and focus on other things. Of course you can do it in moderation but it can be easily addicting and you might just want to play all day long again.
A lifetime gamer here (+-35years of gaming) who decided to hang up gaming for a few years and decided to learn how to play the guitar. After 6-7 years of not playing games I've recently came back. Not worth it. Real life is overrated. Especially when you are a hardcore introvert. Really not much to do... Couldn't be happier when I have started gaming a few days ago/maybe a week or so.
Now the problem is... I am torn in-between games and the guitar... I love music but playing the guitar (learning was a straightforward torture. Both physical and mental). I have... oh for just the sake of it, say wasted, thousands of hours, sh1tload of money and time. WASTED is a wrong word here but people often use it with the idea of gaming. They WASTE so much time playing games. Well it transfers to everything else as well. Do I regret it? Not really... Would I do it again? HELL fcking no/ Not sure if I will ever stop my guitar torture as I love music and still have so many songs I would love to play but... It's just different. More of a lateral move for me as it wasn't/isn't a career path. I would rather sing but... well the idea of learning the guitar was less intimidating and easier to get into I guess. There were and probably still will be some beautiful moments for me and the guitar. There are times when I play and cry at the same time because it's so beautiful. I would have never imagined I would be playing one of my favourite songs one day.
So how it compares to gaming? Not much. You fcking grind every single day to learn, practice, hone your skills. With fraction of a reward to what you get in gaming. If you want to make a career out of it... well it might be easier, etc., as you have some vivid goal where you want to be. As a hobby/entertainment? If you ever played MAPLE STORY during its prime the grind is at least a few times harder with so much more frustration and so much less reward. A really bad game in real life lol.
As with everything in life... BALANCE is the key... If you are good with it. Get your life straight and spend what's left for gaming if there's nothing else really that you enjoy doing. I do not think they are bad. They are very time consuming though... So is the guitar but it is so much easier to stop playing the guitar as it is not as much fun. Just as healthy food, reading books, etc/
This is why there's 0 rubbish in my diet... It's just easier for me to ban it completely than fight with the changes so much; bouncing from healthy to unhealthy eating habits all the time. I might delete steam again soon as I fight with those thoughts that I am wasting my life but... To be honest... I've been out there... in real life. I've done new things, etc. They are not really that great. No even better than good games and the experience you get from them.
When I flew in a helicopter for the first time (it will be in one of my vlogs) it wasn't anything more thrilling than a good flight simulation I have experienced in games. I mean it was real more intense and much better but... It felt more of like a better game and that's it. Hard to explain. Hopefully I will work this internal conflict out and find terms with my lifestyle but... I was and still am kind of disappointed with real life. Of course I could try and be someone I am not. But for me personally... the real life was just okay. Nothing to write a review about I guess. It's much more dangerous, expensive, restricted, limited, boring, exhausting and I don't know what else.
Ideally I want to continue playing the guitar as it is fix for my I WANT TO DO SOMETHING AMBITIOUS WITH MY LIFE (and of course because I love music and want to be a part of it) and I WANT GAMES IN MY LIFE as they are my safe place, a place where I can relax most of the time (unless they piss me off xD), have a lot of fun, and exercise my mind in a pleasant and safe way.
I have done some urban exploration (abandoned compounds) and I have been in some really dodgy places. Great adventures but I had just as amazing if not better in games. Yes, they were not real and real life is better but at least you don't have to worry about being shot, stepping on a 8cm rusty nail, fall to your death through a whole, etc. Kind of extreme example but just to give you some perspective I guess.
Sure, I recommend you to try and explore the real life and find out the truth for you yourself. Maybe you will find it much better than gaming. That would be amazing too.
For me personally... I would love to have time for both. Real life and my lovely games. But if I see that they are taking over my life I will delete them again and be miserable again I guess. For some reason... I never pick the easy way in life... No idea why... I guess I like the challenge... but I don't lol. The ambitious and creative part of me just not letting me game in peace I guess...
I will probably cover this and more in my vlogs./ Which I love. That's basically my real life. Funnily enough, they bring me even more joy than gaming... Imagine that... but being rather hardcore introvert. I do them once a month/a few weeks/a few months. Depends on the weather mostly and my mood. wtf.... fcking wall of text... = I've not vlogged for a while and it's coming out of me I guess... lmao/
One more thing. It's best to treat games like junk food. They're definitely not that bad but... they are just super amazing... and really hard to top with anything else in life. The only price you pay is... that you could be doing something else. But again... I have been playing the guitar a few hours a day hating it most of the time and for what? Why? So I could butcher some of the cool songs out there? I don't feel like I will ever be able to write something of my own. Not on the guitar at least. Maybe it was just a part of a path I had to walk through.
Go out check the real life by all means. But if you find what I have found... Hopefully you will be able to play games guilt free and enjoy the rest of your life like that. Just exercise a little and eat healthily so you can play more :)
quite strange and sad your comment, pathetic and victimizing in my humble opinion
This videos goes beyond the opinion of Jordan Peterson on video games. The video is well analyzed and has a really good conclusion. Thank you for submitting such great video!
Instant gratification gets old fast. Some gamers prefer to work for the feeling of achivement. This is why we have games like Escape from Tarkov or The Cycle Frontier.
I think anything that is a skill based activity isn't a waste of time. The same way as why people learn an instrument. But we still shouldn't forget our priorities in the game of reality.
it is a waste of time, you might feel like you achieved something but you just stared at some pixels for hours and didn’t get any result apart from dopamine
@@ethzvn1185 You could say the same about reading, if reading just merely was an act of staring at a piece of paper with ink on it.
Many of the skills one need to succeed in those games are not only limited to the extend of that game.
But of course, sure, playing only the same type of games we already know does limit our growth, if there's nothing significant for us to learn.
@@ethzvn1185 what did you achieve by learning piano, hearing good sounds anything else? no.
Not everyone does see the beauty in Zelda games.
It’s all about moderation.
If you can yes :)
@@GameQuitters if they can't moderate themselves then that's their problem. You made a whole video bashing gaming, when the reality is that it's a minority of people who are negatively affected. The rest of us a are functioning humans with lives of our own. Not everyone wants to waste their lives on work. Believe it or not, a job should not be your entire existence.
minority? WTF it is obvious that you took it personally because you are not functional in society, stay playing games. @@cokeweasel1064
Own a game studio and I'm very concerned with how much time a player would spend on a game I design. I was in the Army, went to war, have many, many hobbies, a family and I can say, a game will never be as fulfilling as any of those could be...could be. I say could be because anything you invest your time in is potentially a waste of time if you stop progressing through it and suddenly realize, you want to seek self-improvement doing something else. I think as long as someone is spending their time looking for purpose in life, then it's not a waste of time and if that so happens to be a game, or a book, or drawing, or exercise then so be it. You could quit gaming to do something else and discovery later on that thing was also a waste of time. Time must be lost to dissatisfaction in order to truly be a waste of time; to be able to claim one has never wasted their time is to say they have no regrets in how they found purpose in life and most purpose is achieved through failure. One of my favorite sayings is, "different is not always better, but better is always different." If you realize that improvement is merely another word for different, then suddenly it's not a great leap to realize that improvement is not necessarily always better...it's simply different and that is what you could be doing with your time, something that is simply different that has no relevance to being better.
Jordan is obviously a nongamer, there is a lot of artistic merit to video games.
Exactly.
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Video games are fine as long as they are for recreational use only and they don't end up high jacking the more important aspects of your life. It's a hobby, just like watching movies, reading a book, drawing/painting art, going to the gym, going to club/dancing, playing sports, socializing with friends/family, etc. Taking breaks and enjoying downtime and hobbies is an important aspect of life. People can't and shouldn't feel like they need to be working and productive 24/7 all the time either. Becoming a workaholic is also not healthy. Balance really is key.
What else would they used for besides recreational uses
@ZombieLincoln666 Well, there are e-learning and serious games that can be utilized as teaching tools. Then there are those who do it as their jobs like online streamers or game testers, etc, but they are actually getting paid for it. Those would be instances of non-recreactional use.
In most other instances, the average person should only play video games in such a way that it's for your free time only, and it doesn't start to overlap into not allowing you to become a productive person. Basically, don't allow yourself to become an obsessed, lazy couch potato who does nothing else in their life.
As long as you're self sufficient, taking care of your health, and have a good job, there's nothing wrong with enjoying video games. The flip side of playing too much video games is committing yourself to the never-ending grind for approval or self-improvement, both are a recipe for unhappiness.
Does the computer behind u have games?
I have been thinking about this a lot. What did our ancestors do after gathering berries and after hunting? They would gather around a campfire, eat, tell stories, play with eachother, dance and then go to bed. How often are we together with others nowadays? For most of us that's not every night. That's because we have so many more things to do then just gather food all day. Gaming and other hobbies fill a gap that's left in our individualistic world. People are social animals, so probably the way our ancestors lived is superior for most of us, but not realistic in the modern world. So we need other things to fill in the gaps. And that's fine as long as it doesn't take away from other important things in live. The Chinese gouvernment limits gaming for kids to a maximum of three hours a week. I think that is a realistic amount of hours to be able to live a healthy and balanced life. It could have been 4 or 2 hours a week, but gaming much more is probably going to compromise other parts of your life to much. Just my thoughts.
well said
I mean they did draw weird drawings on walls of caves
I've never seen anybody's life get worse as a result of quitting video games!
I agree, most video games are a waste of time, but what about RPGs? I see them comparable to reading long books or movies. I left video gaming for around 20 years and recently started playing again, mainly my old ps1 & ps2 games I had such as final fantasy 7 & 10. It is true, I started to gain weight, loose social skills, stopped going out, and after work I just want to turn on my ps2. I only started playing after a long relationship ended, which had absorbed most of my life and destroyed most of my friendships... Incredibly I find it much more satisfying than all my last relationships & friendships. I think the only solution is to find a balance, to avoid meaningless- addictive games that involve other players or score keeping and play only on the weekends and only after going to the gym on weekdays.... nearly impossible.
Maybe I am a strange type of gamer. I love video games but I was never a fan of online multi-player. I want to be engaged in a video game, like I am engaged in a good movie or a good book. I want interesting worlds, fascinating stories and characters and also maybe a thing or two to learn from it. I think game are a great medium for this. But I think the majority of people who become addicted are seeking dopamine hits by setting new high scores and don't care about the storytelling of the campaign all too much.
I see absolutely no reason to quit video games when they are fun and even increase intelligence. Now they can be addictive and I can see why a person would need to moderate how much they play, but that's it, but there are many good things we enjoy in life that we can spend too much time doing and need to moderate. This idea that people play video games and achieve nothing in real life is objectively and factually a big fat lie. There are gamers who might do nothing else and not really do anything, but the same could be said for any activity. I'm sure there are people who play sports and achieve nothing in life; has nothing to do with sports.
This describes my ex. A 49 year old guy, who would constantly sit and play video games, all while arguing with me about helping out around the house. It constantly distracted him from work, but he manipulated everyone to think they are "needed breaks".
P is silent in the pronunciation of the word Psychology
Everything in balance
I don't think games are inherently bad. It's bad to abuse them, and it's bad if you don't have self control. So work on your self control. If you have a gaming addiction and can't stop yourself from playing, then by all means find ways to stop it as it's causing you harm right now. But games have their place, just like any kind of entertainment and are not bad outside of an addictive personality or underdeveloped brain. Also, be mindful of echo chambers. Chances are if you're here for a gaming addiction, so are most other people, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who enjoy playing games and have no problems whatsoever. I would even argue that the social media websites that Jordan Peterson frequents are way worse than gaming, which might explain how polarized he is. I quit Facebook a few years ago and never looked back. Twitter I have never used fortunately.
What if in an alternate timeline, humans evolved without addictions? And if every video game was a few minutes long to beat? How much free time and other hobbies would we have had? And how would we all have liked that from our altered memories, POVs, and experiences?
Social media is bad UA-cam and movies are bad. Let’s just wear a suit and be negative. Sounds fun
Will your brain rot if you only play games once a day for a hour?
No
As a gamer, I respectfully disagree. I have a gaming channel & I earn from gaming. it isn't bad by any means. I also take long breaks from gaming if i ever feel i am overdoing it. For example, i am on a 3 weeks break from gaming while i am writing this comment. I will resume soon enough & it never really affects my work or social/personal life at all.
The problem is people who overdo it, not the games themselves.
Cocaine is not the problem , it's just that people overdo it.
Moderation is key any form of entertainment is unhealthy if abused
Moderation. I game and I love it, I always have and I always will. However I am MUCH better than I was before. I game in moderation and I make sure I look after my body before I do it. I game yes but I also run, I eat healthy I meditate, work full time, walk alot, work out and I just generally get outside. I even like the idea now that I have vr that when I'm playing I can actually move around making the whole gaming experience less sedentary.
Sure though, don't spend the majority of the day doing it. A lil bit is fine, alot is bad. Like anything. No one is saying broccoli is bad for you right but if that's all you eat you're gonna get ill pretty quick.
I think gaming is needed and could be a useful tool for learning especially with VR I think school should make programs and simulation of activities kids learn and play through interactions
That Dr.Warren dude sounds like he's only familiar with phone games, for which i would agree wholeheartedly with him that they are designed to make you addicted to that dopamine hit.
"Real" video games, on the other hand, are an entirely different story, and especially social/competitive games where you play against and with other players, are just as healthy as playing sports, or chess with and against other people, because you are learning to work with other people, as well as how to anticipate what other people will do in various situations.
Anyone who claims that video games are a waste of time should therefore simply stop doing anything other than working, sleeping, or eating, since literally anything else is a waste of time. Thank you for coming to my TED-talk.
Hmm who benefits not playing video games and being productive with say a job...makes sense to attack gaming if your society....you do know how this life ends?!...yeah exactly. Enjoy your life even if its playing video games.
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After going through this channel I've come to the conclusion that's its sole directive is to glorify and propagate convictions that support the denunciation of gaming as a comprehensively afflictious activity. In the course of accomplishing it, it fails to outline the merits of the same, which are but many. Thus, I have gone through the pain of writing this comment, for addressing what it doesn't.
Gaming per se like any other activity is quasineutral in terms of its consequences. The motive of its performer destroys that particular attribute of it. You can leverage gaming for inspiring people with your creativity, you can take care of your financial insufficiencies with the aid of gaming, or you can devolve yourself in all domains of your life by participating in it.
In conclusion, gaming ought to be viewed as a double edged sword.
Thank you for your patience.
You are absolutely wrong About video games!!
I am a 40 year old man work 8 hrs. a day and love playing my ps5.
Not many people when your old with disabilities have the time or energy to do anything physical...especially when you get out of work and its physically tires you out at the end of the day.
Not to mention what's the difference between watching T.V or movies for 4-6 hrs. when they get home ....which a lot of other people do and that's considered normal ...then playing video games 4-6 hrs. when you get home after a long hard days of work??
I honestly don't see the difference.
I'd rather play a video game then watch a movie because not only does it feel like your watching something but doing something.
Also many professors say when your playing video games as opposed to anything else ...your attention span and problem solving skills increase ....not to mention reaction time which is a good thing.
"Pursue what is meaningful"...Yeah well I game for the same reasons that I listen to music or watch movies at the theater. To get away from the stress of life and have fun, and I think that's meaningful. As we age we won't be able to engage in or enjoy more physical fun like sports outdoors, and so gaming is an easier option and it keeps the mind active and sharp. Is not that why senior/elderly people be hitting the slot machines? To have easy fun gaming aside from winning money?...
i havent played many video games since i turned 17, but i hear that video games prevent dementia .what do you think about that claim? but honestly... video games feel tedious now, they are not really fun if you think about it, more like an extra task
thx for watching
Maybe. They're still great games out there from previous. Aka offline games..
@@streetbean456 honestly all games seem boring and tedious to me now, even the old ones. i used to love terranigma and lufia but now i have no interest in playing them
@@rozaponiatowska3571 Idk what those games are but they seem way older than I was talking about. I'm talking about games like Stepmania, soldier of fortune 2, zero hour, Tony hawk is underground, battlefield, dead space. Just to name a few solid titles..
Wouldnt it be way easier to just lower the graphics a little bit or like make it less bright for your eyes and just drink water some food play for more then 2 hours but do some stuff like go to a restaurant watch movies for a while visit people finding a 100 dollar bill someone dropped go to a therapist dont look at phone in the car or try to remove the problem altogether and go back to the ps3 graphics