Come Let Us Reason | Pro-Murder vs Abolitionist | Norman Art Walk
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2022
- Abolitionist T. Russell Hunter reasons with pro-murder advocates at the Norman Art Walk. This discussion in particular stayed very respectful until the very end when it was rudely ended by an unreasonable and angry pro-murder advocate.
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I am not a religious person, and have always been pro life, but I used to believe that the exceptions of rape and incest were okay, but you have changed my mind sir. A beautiful thing can come from something so horrific. Thank you for standing up for those who literally can not.
These people are not prolife.
@@z9brigade you’re right, they’re abolitionists. Rapists and murderers should be killed, babies who have done no such thing (or anything for that matter) should not.
@kawaiikabar1932 the only reason they don't identify as pro life is because they believe in the death penalty for murders, rapists, and human traffickers. So ya they don't call themselves pro life they call themselves pro justice and abolitionists which is honestly great. People deserve the right to life until they forfeit that right by violating another's persons basic rights.
Ik you just said you're not religious, but God bless you. It's cool to see this guy's arguments and stance can change someone's mind.
I’m not religious either and I’m pro- life… I’m glad I’m not alone
As someone who aged out of foster care now working as a union carpenter with a family of my own I can honestly say thank God I wasn’t aborted! Literally hate the foster care argument yeah growing up sucked but it has motivated me be a better man so I can break trauma cycles in my family
That’s awesome. I hate that argument too because it almost implies that foster care kids never grow up and are just in foster care their whole life 😅 like no…those kids become adults and have another potential 100yrs to make their life whatever they want it to be
This is why I never agree with so-called 'mercy' killing. I'm physically disabled, was abused in childhood, and have a ton of trauma. I am not better off dead, and neither is any other child who will suffer (as is the natural human experience).
So foster care is for children taken away forcibly by their parents. I'm a little confused by your argument because newborns don't go to foster care. There are years long waiting lists all over the country for newborn babies. kids in foster care got their at later stages, even if it was like only a year old. do you know much about the circumstances of being put into foster care or only that you were very young?
@@jmailmonopolis6296 kind of. Newborns absolutely can go to foster care when the parents don’t want to relinquish custody. And it can take years to get cases sorted out. If the birthing mom and the presumed (or known) dad (if he’s known and/or around) give up rights, then no foster care. That’s just adoption.
Everything about your comment 💯
As a women that was elbowed at 31 weeks and hemorrhaged and almost passed away with my second, I had emergency c section and she was perfect. 4.10 no need for oxygen. My third the doctor told me to terminate like I had no choice. She flat out said you will rupture and hemorrhage again or miscarry before 18 weeks. So I have quite literally lived both sides of her life endanger situation. I just prayed took care of myself and told the doctor my child gets a chance. My son was born full term. He was quite literally targeted for termination because a boy elbowed me and I almost lost my life and daughters life . Had I chosen to be afraid and listen to my doctor my son would have died for another boys sin against me. I left my body met God and was put back with a prayer to Sav my daughter. He's there and he loves his preborn babies very much!
Wow that’s amazing. So sorry you went through that but God watched over you
By elbowed do you mean someone literally hit you with their elbow? Like they bumped into you or intentionally did it with great force?
This is beautiful
@@HelloThere..... when you knee someone is it on accident? Is it a sin to bump into someone? Do you have any better questions, I'm sorry to sound rude but really?
@hellothere436 he firmly planted it the whole point of the elbow and then dragged it to my navel with actual force the entire way, I instantly felt a pop and a leak. I went into a survival mode and started freaking out after I almost passed put. My husband thought I would be OK. I knew something was wrong! He said I'll take you tomorrow if you think you need to get checked. He worked alot and was just busy and tired.
I’ve had a miscarriage and it’s not an abortion and it wasn’t a choice.
correct.
He never said miscarriages were Wrong. ABORTION IS THE ISSUE.
But thank you. God bless.
@@dalepxp8963 Conservatives would probably still want her arrested, regardless.
@@scottmcmahon86 No conservative on Earth would want to arrest somebody for having an unintentional miscarriage. You are a fool
Wow...it looked like three younger women (not minors, not mentally handicapped) were being quite mature & reasonable, having an intelligent, respectful conversation...until a woman who looked a bit older than them, comes along acting like she is their mom, & they've been misbehaving. If I was one of those young women I would have been quite offended with the "older" woman. Even if she *was* their mom, it was *very* disrespectful to them, especially since they appeared to be over 18. I mean seriously, that would have been atrocious, disrespectful behavior even if she *was* their mom, & they were *under* 18!!! Smh
Anytime, there’s a reasonable conversation, where pro-abortion people are starting to see the light, there’s always some demonic, satanic lady coming along, trying to corral them away before they can see the light
Yep I can’t believe what I saw
Oh wow. I read your comment before getting there (I thought I missed it). That mom is of the generations and mentality that fought hard to have ‘the abortion rights’ we’re currently allowed. She doesn’t want her people (not sure if mom or friend) to be tainted by other peoples ideas that she obviously disagrees with (told him to eff off). So crass. Yuck. I’d be really proud to see my daughter talking like that to someone - especially someone she baseline disagrees with. They were poised and overall well behaved and mature. Very good two-way discourse.
She could be from the Pro-life group. If you recall, he said they were set-up nearby and were heckling them and one of the girls said they’d seen the Abolitionists signs while they were over there and wanted to come over to talk.
You see that happen all the time. A woman will be calmly listening and you can tell he's getting through. And then some woman will walk up and pull the one away yelling don't listen.
These girls definitely have brains capable of rational thinking. She tried so hard to come up with a scenario where abortion is justified, but came up short every time. I hope their minds were expanded after they walked away.
Amen 🕊
“They were wrong in Roe, they were wrong in Dobbs” isn’t something you hear often. But yes.
Wuzzup Rachel!
Roe was decided based on perjured testimony
Thanks for putting these full length videos of street interactions on UA-cam. I get a lot more out of full conversation than shorts/reels/TikToks.
most-every short/reel/tiktok is meant to point to the full video.
As a former child who grew up in foster care and then was adopted I hate the argument "What about kids in foster care?" I always think okay "and?" The people who I have seen bring this up seem to treat being in foster care as a fate worse than death. I am happy to be alive and I went through a lot. Find Jesus, find joy, and choose life.
I’m happy you are on this earth friend. God bless
That ending just amazed me. I was so proud of the three young ladies for having a conversation and not just screaming and such but then that older lady comes in and ends the conversation. What the heck? It is those people that I cant stand.
That’s Satan. He absolutely hates truth and goodness. He uses people who don’t have the Holy Spirit
It’s those people that are the true fascist threat to our society. “You can talk and spend time with each other so long as I approve of the content.” 🤦♀️🤦♀️ I can’t stand them either.
Well, in fairness., they were starting to move COMPLETELY away from the subject when they began with circumcision.
Time to talk with someone else.
i was shocked that they accepted it, too. like they needed that permission to exit or something.
@@nunyabusiness2945< You don't know what Fascism means, but you advise those who disagree as being fascists.
You're truly ignorant.
Your patient approach, and ability to keep things light-hearted yet direct, is admirable in so many ways. I'm taking notes 📝
A masterclass. I could never stay that lighthearted. Kudos to Mr Russell
@@hunterkarr5618"How to be a fascist 101"
In the instances of rape, both the woman and the child are victims, you don't let one victim murder the other just so they'll "feel" better.....
Could even compare to other crimes. Someone stabs a mother and child, they both live but the mother no longer has functioning kidneys, they would never take the kidneys from the child for the mother without consent. Also if there was no child anyway they arent going to take the kidneys from someone unwilling for her. It's just an awful thing that happened because of someone else and now you have to live with the issues and it's the fault of the one who assaulted. We all feel bad and want to help but you can't trample on the rights of others to feel better.
Facts. It’s a double trauma at that point. I find the rape-exception argument of pro-choicer’s (“well what about rape? How could you possibly not allow for rape?!”) to be incredibly dismissive of mom’s who’ve chosen to keep. It’s almost like they believe she’s stupid or gross herself by choosing to keep the baby. It’s really uncomfortable to me.
Especially when most women who get pregnant after rape (which is also a super small statistic) choose to keep the baby. The narrative is always "they wouldn't want to keep the monsters baby in them!" When in fact, they do
@@nunyabusiness2945 ??? Thats literally the point. They can CHOOSE to keep it. Or not.
I'm surprised that this large a group (more than just one or maybe two, I mean) of pro-choice girls, college age, were this polite and civil. They actually listened to what you had to say and I guarantee they will go home and give this more thought. I really hope the seeds of truth and love you planted will grow. Beautiful. What you're doing is truly God's work, my friend. Thank you.
Also - I was raped, and luckily I didn't get pregnant, that would have been very bad timing in my life - but, I know exactly how horrific I would feel if I had AND I had killed my child. That would be trauma on top of trauma. It does not help. It doesn't fix it. I can't get over losing my first baby at 12 weeks, I saw her too, and it was so hard. I cannot imagine going through that if it had been my action that directly caused it. That would have been something I never could have gotten over. It's no wonder these women are often so angry and defensive at people like you, I can imagine the extreme cognitive dissonance, guilt, and pain they're going through. That's why they fight SO hard to try to convince people this is okay, because the guilt will destroy them if they let go of the facade that it's okay.
My bestie was chronically raped by her grandpa as a kid and ended up pregnant at 12. She still struggles with it today. Never had healthy attachments with men. She expressed that she was traumatized two ways: 1) the sexual abuse, and 2) the abortion her family forced her to have (because everyone was embarrassed and didn’t want her grandpa to be in trouble- yeah… I know… 🤢🤬). She didn’t understand she was pregnant and there was no emotional attachment but the procedure itself was very painful cuz she was about 6 months along before the abortion.
Later she did have a baby and her daughter is her pride and joy. But that rape and abortion…. Y’all both are in a club of women who’ve had a very specific, traumatic experience. Your opinion of the double trauma (per my friends story) is spot on. I’m sorry for you both. I’m sorry for your miscarriage (I had one between babies 2 and 3 of mine). That was 8 years ago and still haunts me today. Life is hard. Family is hard. I’m glad you’re carrying on. I hope you’ve had babies or adopted or whatever and have experienced the joy (and not just the pain). Peace and love to you, momma.
for college age students they should have stood up to that lady who treated them like children at the end ..they followed her like sheep 🐑🐑🐑
"Pro-murder"?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
I'm so sick of Christians calling the opposition "pro-choice"!
You are very good at maintaining a loving composure. Well done. I was supposed to be aborted. So I have a lot more emotions around this topic
I’m glad you weren’t, Mr. Shackleford.
To be fair the women he talked with where very emotionally robust. Compared to the nutcases he also face who are lost causes.
Glad you are here dude
I came close to meeting that end as well.
50,000,000 abortions, and the argument is “well what about that one 10 year old girl”.
Ok, let’s allow THAT abortion and stop the other 49,999,999 that are much more straight forward….. do you think they’d then go “YEAH, now we have agreement!”
These videos have helped me realize that i am not pro life but in fact an abolitionist
“End abortion Now” opened my eyes to the pro life movement, it is about regulation of the abortion industry, not abolishing abortion and NOT a Christian based organization. They talk christianese to get the church’s money and support.
What’s the difference?
@@orsolyadobrosi4736 if you watch his videos he explains it, but just to simplify what he says. Pro life is still allowing abortion as we see today, abolitionist wants it completely gone. Which i agree with
@@orsolyadobrosi4736 like pyro said, the “Pro life” industry does not want to end abortion, just regulate it, and is openly admitting that it is not a Christian organization.
@orsolyadobrosi4736 the difference is that "pro-life" means not killing anyone. Abolitionists work to completely abolish abortion, yet they allow for capital punishment. They are against the unjust, intentional killing of an innocent human being in their mothers womb. But are open to the idea of killing those who commit heinous crimes such as rape and murder.
I love these young women, and I love the way you interacted with them. I’m only 14 mins into the video, and I know that you have already softened their hearts. They are thoughtful and questioning, and if they’re anything like me, they will feel empowered as women after witnessing this conversation y’all had. Thank you for the insight.
What gets me is they always go right to atopic pregnancy. I am a Pro-Life Woman, but I can think of one situation that actually happened to my Great Aunt (Grandmother's sister) that would make their "in cases where the mother's life is in danger" arguments, though spoiler...this event has a Pro-Life ending.
My Aunt was born with a tumor on her spine. She spent the majority of her time from the age of 4 to 14 in hospital beds and had over 50 surgeries. None of which fixed the disability she lived with but were all experimental at the time but were the precursor to us being able to fix it now.
My Aunt was extremely petite, and her torso very short and her back bone curved in. She needed a walker to get around.
Still she managed to marry and at age 27 she suddenly became pregnant. This was the late 70's mind you, so they didn't have the medical advancements they do now.
My Aunt was told by 3 different doctors that because of how short her torso was, how her back bowed to such an extreme degree that if she didn't terminate the pregnancy it wouldn't even reach viability before the baby's growth compressed her organs, specifically her lungs, and would suffocate her.
My Aunt was a VERY religious woman and had ALWAYS wanted to be a mother. The entire family, except my grandma (her sister) dog piled my Aunt pressuring her to abort!
They even wanted my grandma to help convince her to do it, but instead my grandma asked her sister what she wanted. My Aunt broke down and told my grandma that she wanted to keep the baby and put it in the hands of God, so my grandma supported her much to the displeasure and fury of the rest of the family.
In the end my Aunt miscarried while still within the first trimester of her pregnancy.
I’m sorry for your loss, but amazed at your Aunt and grandmother’s strength and ability to trust in the Lord ❤
Thank you for sharing your story. Wow.
And you’re also correct on the ectopic item at the beginning is spot on. He got a bit in the weeds there but I’ll give him a pass. 🤣🤣 I’m not going to say it’s never happened (because realm of possibility is huge) but ectopics aren’t viable and almost always will rapidly kill mom (at point of tube rupture) if allowed to keep growing. If it doesn’t die and make her go septic (cuz it’s stuck) then she can bleed to death when it ruptured her fallopian tubes. It’s always worth hoping that it will migrate down but I don’t know that has ever happened. (Implantation is a very specific window in pregnancy. Only happens once.)
The scary thing about Hitler is not that he thought what he was doing was right but he convinced a whole section of humanity to beleive it too.
No, the crazy thing about hitler is the billions of lies told about him and the Nazis that everyone is just fine with because society tells them he was Evil.
Yep, and Nazi stands for National Socialist. Need I say more?
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@adrianharry5336 The entire left has a Nazi ideology. They're just too ignorant, brainwashed, and stupid to realize it. Instead, they just believe what CNN tells them. Orange man bad, he da nazi.
EVERYTHING the left says is backward from the reality we are all living, and it's actually what they do. The right sides problem is that they shouldn't even entertain the accusations. Moral people should never argue with demons. It makes no sense, but most of the right is controlled opposition, so others that aren't do the same thing. Stupid, really.
It's awesome that these girls are legitimately trying to understand the issue. Bless them and may their desire for truth lead them to God and salvation.
That last part about circumcision is definitely an interesting part of the conversation. I am definitely an abolitionist when it comes to circumcision. I think it is abuse.
The first three women are very respectable not yelling and screeching but actually trying to understand his points! God bless them and him!
That was a great conversation, that woman at the end is bizarre controlling
Those young ladies were so very mature. This was a good discussion. The lady at the end was ridiculous and could learn from the younger ladies. I guess you can’t control peoples thoughts about abortion if they are being exposed to truth and she seemed to want to put an end to that quick. 🤦♀️
My neighbor was raped by her own father. She had the baby, not all raped victims want to abort the baby. She eventually married and the kid is a good boy and it was raised by his grandma while the girl pursued a life on her own now. The rapist is in jail.
My wife and I used to volunteer at a sanctuary for raped ladies. Of the ladies that fell pregnant and decided against abortion, the overwhelming majority fell in love with, and kept, their child. Very, very few put their children up for adoption.
After four pregnancies I had a miscarriage and also an ectopic pregnancy. Though I have five great kiddos at home and life is quite full, it hurts my heart sometimes when I think about those babies, almost like I miss them because I was robbed of them.
God bless you ❤
I have three living children and still mourn the several I lost so I know how you feel 🤗
@@astroterf. Bless you, much love and hugs 🤗 💕
This is so good! Both parties having such a respectful back and forth conversation. One thing though. He says that if a woman takes plan b, and an egg has been fertilized plan b prevents the egg from implanting and it will be flushed out with urine. That is incorrect. Yes, it will prevent implantation. But it wont be flushed out with urine. Urine does not come out from the uterus, or the vagina. The non implanted embryo will just be passed, just like if it were unfertilized, which would end the human life, just no urine involved.
Are you sure he didn't say "uterine wall?"
I believe we pass fertilized eggs often and it is my opinion, that life does not begin until it attaches and receives the mothers life blood. I've always wondered about how plan B works and I'm willing to change my view on when life begins.
@@loopthetubewe do - a large number of pregnancies end before knowledge of - but that's not intentional
Once an egg is fertilised, a new person with unique DNA is created and developing...all implantation does is gives the baby the means to continue development
The life has begun before the implantation happens
I’m only 6 minutes in when I comment this, but I really love and appreciate how these three women are calm, talking, and having such beautiful discourse about this. Whether they agree or not they stood stoic and had an actual conversation and that’s something beautiful in this day and age.
There is a big difference between removing the baby from the mother womb, to save her life, and trying to save the baby, no matter how far along and reaching into a mother's womb and dismembering the baby, piece by piece and sucking it out with a vacuum. People that are for abortion should at least watch one preformed before they endorse it.
Interestingly, foster parents always seem to be painted as abusers. There are a lot of really great foster parents in this world! And when foster parents are abusive, then the authorities ( who trained them and placed children with them🤨) should remove such children from their care!
Child Protective Services (CPS) sadly has been exposed in recent years as a major facilitator of child trafficking! The problem is horrendous. There are so many predators hiding in these public institutions. The institutions are being actively compromised because as the story in The Sound of Freedom shows, our gov’t is a big part of the problem in human trafficking.
Rape is horrible but statistically it’s like 0.07% of all abortion cases! Over 90% of abortions are done as a matter of convenience! Open your legs you risk getting pregnant! Miscarriages are not abortions! My wife and I suffered through one! And we baptized the baby and cried for months! We named him/her and hope to be with him/her in heaven! Amen! 35 years later and I still get sad with the memories! God knows !
What an ending.
I think the older lady was scared of reasonable discussion and the fact that the girls' minds could change.
@Chris O Yep, that's an actual Nazi.
"Oh no, he's winning. I need to rush them away."
This was really helpful. Thanks. Amazing that you could have such a long conversation with them too.
10/10. Great job Russell. 🙏
I appreciate how calm and collected you remain throughout these discussions. And as someone who has been confused and mislead with the concept of abortion you've helped me realise what is truly right. And for me it has nothing to do with religion as I'm agnostic. But in the end life is life, and they have as much right to this world as you and I regardless of how they were conceived.
Great idea for a sign: “Convince me that poisoning a baby in the womb or hiring a hitman to dismember an innocent vulnerable human being in the womb, is not murder.”
We are so dumb we have to argue with fellow humans that don’t think they are humans, that they are humans.
They've been lied to ceaselessly, its not about being dumb, its about definitions.
@@SlZIJI Exactly. They’ve been conditioned, brain washed, mind controlled.
“It’s easier to convince someone of a lie, than it is to convince them that they’ve been lied to”.
You are doing the work of the Kingdom 🙌
May The Father Bless you for your efforts.
We really need to educate people about the difference between foster care and adoption. Kids in foster care HAVE parents. Those parents have problems so the state has stepped in and removed the children. Until this parents have their parental rights stripped or voluntarily give them up the children can not be adopted. Babies given up for adoption in the US have on average 36 applicants for every 1 baby.
Truly appreciate the work you do and am encouraged by your ability to Glorify God in your labor.
There might be a way to call out straw-man arguments to re-engage and stay on track of the topic. Fringe minority arguments against abolition take the conversation to red herring positions.
Fantastic conversation! Well done!
I’m not used to people having a discussion without a bunch of profanity, yelling, and demeaning hand gestures. I may never recover from this experience.
Might wana chill on that punish rapist to death considering some of these guys that end up innoccent later on would be dead. Cuz then we would have to say if you unjustly frame someone for rape u would also have to die
Let your speech be always with grace seasoned with salt that you may know how to answer every man. Colossians 4:6
Your dialogue mimics this verse very well. Thank you.
This is the most reasonable, respectful conversation ive ever seen on here! I'm pleasantly confused 😅
You are doing really good work by telling the truth!
Love your program and what you are accomplishing. Once thing I would recommend is to put a microphone on your signs so that we can clearly hear what the people are saying, either for or against. Keep up your efforts, I'm sure our Lord appreciates your efforts.
Love the Mary situation related to our culture and justification
Trying to reason with, and present logic to people still wearing masks is like pissing in the wind. But i admire this man and his mission. And his ability to remain calm, consistent, both logically and theologically.
14:51 I think you meant, “if you were pregnant out of wedlock” 😊
Your patience is priceless!!
Want to address the difference between abortion and miscarriage care?
Abortion is the death of the child, necessarily. Not removal.
The definition of pregnancy includes gestation. Gestation includes growth. If the child is dead, they are no longer growing, therefore no longer gestating, therefore the mother is no longer pregnant even if they are still located inside of her.
Removing a dead child is not “terminating a pregnancy” because the pregnancy already ended with the death of the child.
And ending pregnancy doesn’t always kill, induction or simply birth ends a pregnancy but is not abortion because the child didn’t die.
Hope that clears things up for future discussions.
I don't hate people, but I do hate what people do or believe. Especially people who claim that they are Christians, yet they support or vote for someone who believes in murdering the unborn babies in their Mother's whom. It's called being fake, phony, ignorant, unethical, (normally left fielders), etc..
I appreciate your words and work bro, and I love how upfront you are with your family.
I myself did not get that childhood of love, support, truthfulness and humbleness. You are God Send. Thank you!
I want to help with this. Can you send me a sign and recommend some literature for me?
The foster care argument is so terrible. The people that are stuck in foster care are mostly older children. There are waiting lists for people trying to adopt newborns. There are people that can't have babies that want to, and would love to adopt an infant, but instead people want to murder them.
What an awesome example of people having a healthy and respectful debate.
I’m happy to see peaceful discussions between two disagreeing parties first off. I think these girls can be saved.
Not only abortion should be illegal, it should inconceivable.
Got to get some facts straight.
Ectopics rarely make it to 20 weeks.
You don't treat an ectopic with a CS because it's not in the uterus (which is what a CS is).
Your wife didn't have an ectopic x 2 (most likely blighted ovum or just spontaneous miscarriage). Ectopics are treated with methotrexate or salpingostomy (or salpingectomy).
There's the occasional aborted ectopic, management is rarely to allow it to abort.
You all are an inspiration to get out there and spread truth. Where are you located?
@23:29
Flashbacks to Charlie the Unicorn
😂😂😂
Never a child’s choice to be abused. No one wants to be the victim of a crime.
when they say "sorry you that happened to you" in terms of you and your wife having gone through two miscarriages.....why are they sorry? If it's just a clump of cells, why do these people instinctively say "sorry"? Because they know what's really going on, they just are very confused.
No, its because the adults in the room were obviously emotinally attached to the fetus.
Impressed by those young ladies. They had peace within them.
Its good seeing an amicable exchange of ideas. People can disagree without turning to anger or hate.
Great video bro.
So funny how they come up with the most ridiculous scenarios!
The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.
That’s so sad
Dude's a LEGEND!
I appreciate the polite conversation. They didn't scream or walk away. Props to them for that.
They don't have to hate it. Our culture dehumanizes the baby to the point they are indifferent to it.
That woman the end was so rude. Those three young women were deeply engaged in the coversation with him and she basically dragged them away against there will. They were pressured by her to leave😒
Satan swooped in to 'save' his disciples at the end. What a wrong-un.
The only thing that annoyed me about this conversation, was the person who at the end came and put a stop to it.
I really like what you're doing on this show
These women are actually having a good calm, open minded, educational conversation.
Judging actions is legitimate: judging people is usually not, whether your judgement is favourable or unfavourable.
If abortion was illegal, I wouldn't have had two abortions. God forgave me for killing my children. I'm not worthy, and He chose me. ❤🙏
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I would love to see you guys out here in California.
Excellent video, great conversation!
Cheers to these pro-abortion ladies for having a calm and civil discussion.
I know that these ladies don’t think like this, bc they seem to be compassionate and want the best for humanity…but…
There are people who think that they have god-like knowledge and can decide who is worth keeping and who is worth throwing in the trash. They think that everyone who doesn’t believe like them is an idiot and aren’t strong enough to make tough choices (Example: like raising a child in poverty).
There are people who come from perfectly stable households who were wanted and grow up to have issues.
If we all followed a strict moral code, there would be little to no evil in the world.
No one is God but God.
Are there any videos out there where the other 2 women in your crew are having conversations with people? The other 2 women with your signs. Would love to see those.
The lady at the end was afraid you might persuade them.
“Oh no! He’s going to save 3 potential blood lines from being destroyed!”
What the hell was up with the big ol’
Bully at the end. Wow!
I guess she must have been really hungry or something’.
Weird.
God bless these women !
I believe God spoke to them.
She still didn’t get it 😢
He also says even murder can be forgiven, and he calls abortion murder. But rape is something you can be killed for. Should woman who have abortions be executed by this logic? I’m pro life but the death penalty is horrible, in society as advanced as it is now
A society that has killed 60 million unborn babies in the last 50 years? How advanced is that?
For the record the young girl from Ohio that went over to Indiana was not forced to do that by the laws in Ohio. Her mother made the decision to take her to Indiana because they have a no questions asked policy and in order for the girl to qualify for the exemption in Ohio the mother would have had to report her undocumented boyfriend for having been the one to of assaulted the young girl in the first place
For Catholics we have Natural Family Planning. It’s not the rhythm method, generally the sympto-thermal method is taught. You also have hormone testing with urine through both indicative chemical testing or electronic testing, which allow you to connect to an app to track your cycle as a woman and your fertility - for avoiding conception or seeking children.
Yes! Contraception is not 100% effective. Following your cycle with the rules of the method you choose you can avoid or conceive a child without any unnatural chemicals and barriers. Contraception says 'no' to God's plan but NFP says 'Yes we are open to God working in our relationship'
I track my cycle as we are very against medical forms of birth control. We actually conceived our 4th child while tracking because I had ovulated nearly a week prior and we thought we were in the clear so I wasn't doing temp and period never showed... I ovulated AGAIN and conceived during that 2nd egg release, lol. So not always fool proof if you are not being very meticulous every single day.
@@bann5777 if you are very strict it's 99% successful whatever your goals are currently. If you aren't being strict then yes you may miss things or not wait long enough if trying to avoid a pregnancy that time. That's why it's open to God's ability to create life. No method is 100 percent but it can be pretty close.
I love how the older one is the childish, ignorant one to flip you off at the end. Expletives, disrespect, and uncoothedness is not an argument.
When people resort to using foul language and flipping another off, its because they are defeated. They have nothing to bring to the conversation and the frustration in knowing they have no argument manifests into anger. Anger is all they have left to convey.
With the kidney example, the choices are give the kidney or dont give the kidney. If they want to use that as an analogy for their abortion argument, the choices should be: give the kidney or buy poison and force the other person to take it with the intent to kill them or pay a doctor to rip the person apart limb by limb until they are dead and gone.
Im sorry but i noticed you misspoke when you said "women who get married out of wedlock" 😂 i laugh because I've said the same thing. Almost every is married out of wedlock lol. But i know what you meant, keep up the good work guys and girls.
"That's weird....are they....your friends?" 😂
What a great discussion
Rational thought alone is enough to realize that the so-called "clump of cells" is an unique human being and is alive and wants to live. That's the only way to be consistent.
The mandatory vasectomy argument is so jacked up, it's insulting. Telling a woman not to kill her fetus is not the same thing as forcing all men across the board to have a surgery that sterilizes them.
What is the percentage of rape/incest vs promiscuity and regret? Does anybody have those statistics I could take a guess as to what they are, but it would be nice to see some hard data.
If I am protesting outside a prison against capital punishment, the family of the convicted murderer might think my message if hatful and offensive. Should I then be silenced?