You Have to Value Things In Order to Move Forward in Life | With Russell Brand
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2022
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These two. Holy moly. This is called discourse. Brand of course is a brilliant mind full of compassion and truth seeking. I'm not on his side for too much but I appreciate the hell out of his abilities. The way Jordan just pulled in biblical ideas and Egyptian mythology to point out the ancient understanding and awareness of the potential rigidity of hierarchical systems just blew me away and then he repeats back Brands argument about the allocation of resources, in other words.. he listened intently to his argument rather than waited for him to stop talking. That was wonderful. You can't get this from a twitter thread that's for sure.
Wonderful comment 👍
Exactly :)
Beauty in architecture inspires people to care about the buildings. Beauty in cultural traditions inspire people to preserve them. Beauty in the population inspires them to care for each other. The muse is the most important job.
A shame most "influencers" don't take that job as seriously.
Jordan thinks and responds, almost instantly and I am sure, in a far superior way (in terms of facts, ideas and erudite expression) than the vast majority of us would, even if we were allowed several months of research, in order to formulate even one brief response.
Spot on. Not to mention the ravenous leftist activists waiting in the wings to be able to twist one misplaced word. The mental acuity and stress tolerance required... it's truly something to behold. The people who seek to destroy him lack the mental acuity to even percieve of it.
I absolutely agree.
Agreed. He's such an astonishing human being. As is Russell!
That's why he is jordan peterson. 👌
He has been working on those ideas 14h day for +10 years.
Mr Jordan Peterson,
Thankyou, thankyou and thankyou, for making the world feel that bit softer.
Love from Australia.
Thank you Jordan Peterson, me listening to u, give me goosebumps, you are a blessing to the world, that for sure.
A clash of two great minds. Great content 🙏💯
Jordan is a genius
thank you guys
Agreed! All things must needs be affirmed.
Very Good Conversation!!!
Russel is incredibly wise
I can only admire JP's patience for taking the time to engage with Russell Brand.
Lmao was gonna say, this was def a pairing I wouldn’t have guessed
I have no justifiable reason for it but i just dont value Russel Brand or his opinions at all. Whats more I do think he's a genuine person and well intentioned. All of which makes me feel extremely guilty and uncharitable for what i am about to say, but this gave me the same kind of vibe as those videos where scientists have 'conversations' with gorillas that have been taught sign-language and have a vocabulary of say 122 words.
After writing that i just remembered at the end we see him stuffing his hairy face with a banana which could pehaps go a long way to explaining why those vids popped into my head.
This was a Very Good Conversation and was NOT requiring any "Patience" for me Watching and Listening it was very Interesting and Entertaining; I think this has been long overdue and expected that Russell and Jordan would have much agreement on many Issues and have a lot in Common, so I was a little surprised by your reaction, Post/Comment This Thread being in agreement with you, so you all got a thumbs down from me!!! 🍆👀
@@ravenmasters2467 Socialist intellectuals who make money from capitalism.
why y’all acting like Russel Brand is some problematic person lol. Just because he was an actor with a bad rep, doesnt mean he hasn’t changed, nor is he incompetent of an intellectual conversation. The guy is more tolerant of different opinions than most people
Define forward.
Great
Jordan gives the most "no shit" advice ever. As a zoomer myself, is our generation seriously this lost?
As a GenXer: you bet your ass it is.
The full conversation is amazing. I miss this modality of Russell - more compassion n less cynicism.
Wow! That was painful. The thinking, me, not the concepts. Thanks
Here, Russell and Jordan were talking about two different concepts as if they were ONE. They start by quickly defining the pursuit of quality in what people may value (in common) and transform the conversation into a dialogue of elitism leading to inequalities!?! (and yes, I am aware that the conversation here has both prior and latter existence, and also that the title of the video is misleading as well). However, these are two different concepts that DO exist individually, but they SHOULD NOT so casually be defined as ONE, although they are often intertwined, especially at the onset of what they were TRULY wishing to discuss, which is the concept of hierarchies!!!
I am curious to see which of these two individuals will eventually evolve to a higher paradigm first?!? ...To a more mature and reality-bases awareness which states a more accurate truth about their own species, and how it relates to its total inability to share in the commons!?! In fact, two ads popped-up for me during this video that "sponsors them" in their talks and which suggests the same point, that inequality is an issue that supersedes hierarchies for such conversations. The question is not that equality is needed, but rather that the people-primates have never agreed to apply such concepts with accountability for offenders to be redirected, and before it is too late - and they never will at this point either - resulting in the hierarchies that these two are so primed to criticize, which they should, but while also being the wrong conversation to have...OK, well, unless we, as a species, were really sentient and sapient, and that then these two were simply discussing (as teenagers) the first year of high-school debate-project that they were planning to partake-in!!!
Sadly, the truth is that Russell and Jordan are now some of the best thinkers that we have as a species, while also being so far from discussing what we should be discussing in the here-and-now!!! :(
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THE Doctor of Humanics. (Martin)
Based
The stone/water dichotomy in the pharaoh/Moses dynamic is something I'd never considered before. Dang. That's cool.
In the Bible, water is seen as a symbol for chaos. It doesn't represent chaos every time it appears, but it often does. It also sometimes represents life, and rightly so. But specifically seas and oceans represents chaos. I suppose rivers too. "Wild" water, so to speak. Water in a drinking vessel is not chaos. That's "tamed" water haha
When Moses was a baby, the pharaoh wanted to kill all baby boys. Perhaps a rigid (stone-like) action, trying to maintain order. Moses' mother threw him into chaos (the Nile River) to give him a *chance* to live. He could have died in the river/chaos, but God saw him through that chaos into the hands of pharaoh's daughter who adopted him. He passed through chaos into the hands of order. (There's a message there too, maybe, about how it's easier to kill by decree from a distance, but once you have a real person in front of you, you find you actually want to care for them.) Moses grew up in that highly ordered, rigid world, and saw how it oppressed. In protest against that oppression, he killed a soldier of his own kingdom. He put chaos into the order. (Neither chaos nor order are looking good, here.) So he runs away, becomes a shepherd, returns God's demand that pharaoh let His people go, pharaoh refuses, God sends plagues (skipping details), and finally Moses leads the Hebrew people out of Egypt to the edge of the Red Sea where the Egyptian army traps them. Trapped between oppressive order (a stony kingdom) and a chaotic abys (watery depth), neither are the Hebrews' friend. But God opened a dry path through the sea for the Hebrew people to walk safely through chaos. The Egyptians pursued them, and the water closed around them. Oppressive order was swallowed up in uncontrollable chaos. But God showed his supremacy over both, for the good of the people who trust him.
Only Jordan Peterson could sit for an interview with this guy’s rambling, meaningless and infinitely long “questions!” Who is this guy???
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We also have to believe, at least subconsciously, that the game isn’t rigged. Even though it is. We see where private property rights are going, and it’s evil
Russell is one of the few socialists that you can actually have a debate with
That's because he is one of the few socialists who is actually willing to engage, listen, and perhaps even change his mind about things.
Isn't that the guy who did the Johnny Depp trial reactions?
Why is RB wearing my Xz blouse ?
Taxes, Taxes, Taxes the only solution, our governments have failed grade one maff.
…Do people legitimately disagree with the premise of this title?
Literally why? Explain. Please.
WTF YOU KEEP LOOKIN AT BRO ? 😂 driving me crazy. Jordan’s eyes are focused and and Russell is darting left every second lol. Great vid and conversation though thank you gentlemen very much 😊
Tammy Peterson is sitting to his left 😊
Women do the birthing, and men do the dying.
(Whitney Houston - “Greatest Love Of All”)
takes russ forever to get to the point.
The conservative view of " well this is just how the cards fall in a free market" is not only not acceptable anymore its also not sustainable.
It is, and know 'own'self, stop this masturbation the result of too much materialism.
I have no justifiable reason for it but i just dont value Russel Brand or his opinions at all. Whats more I do think he's a genuine person and well intentioned. All of which makes me feel extremely guilty and uncharitable for what i am about to say, but this gave me the same kind of vibe as those videos where scientists have 'conversations' with gorillas that have been taught sign-language and have a vocabulary of say 122 words.
After writing that i just remembered at the end we see him stuffing his hairy face with a banana which could pehaps go a long way to explaining why those vids popped into my head.
Jordan values benzodiazapan above all else!!
That's Christian morals for you. Learned ofcourse from the Bible!
Jordan's identity (and its values) was created by an incompetence hierarchy, not a competence hierarchy.
Jordan's identity was created in reaction to his father Walts patriarchal authority and emotional commitment to counterwilling his own father.
Jordan's identity has him emotionally preoccupied with turning every conversation that pertains to hierarchies into a priority to justify, validate and coverup the hierarchy that created his identity.
Counterwill is not will.
Counterwill is an innate unconscious resistance to coercion.
A mind can only grow out of counterwill by focusing conscious attention on the coercion that created it, until that coercive force is consciously and emotionally separate and manageable.
Counterwill and an identity cannot be transcended by good ideas as Jordan's identity asserts.
Say it straight forward: you don't have to be english to value things in life.
HELP ME DIE.
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The players going to play, the haters going to hate - Taylor Swift
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I like your philosophy but you've some weird strategy
Making "you have" a contraction in that sentence is a weird strategy..😁
@@LandonBell11 good observation
He preaches the responsibilities of liberty but then herds the crowd. The correct term is "controlled opposition".
@@elinope4745 I am confused... which term of the OP are you trying to swap out for 'controlled opposition'?
@@LandonBell11 weird strategy
I like Brand but he is so biased towards a hippie world view all his views and thoughts breakdown when confronted with the failure of his hippie philosophy. You can’t just decide you don’t like an element of capitolism because you have a nihilistic view of some things because it’s not your cup of tea. You sign off on the hospital hierarchy but want to regulate away other hierarchy’s you don’t prefer. Ignoring that those doctors and nurses work their way of their hierarchy to benefit us all to get paid to enjoy those consumer goods. Without being able to enjoy the fruits of their labor they likely would not have sacrificed to get to that level of skill and that position. They would also likely find a less stressful job and some would retire sooner. Meaning society loses access to those talents. Which explains the healthcare system in poor countries. Then you have the fact you just punished and tried to remove an entire industry or multiple industries. Which has its own hierarchy. Removing jobs at every level and many or all of them use those salaries and positions to help contribute to the healthcare hierarchy. The reason we are so wealthy as a country and even as a world today is we have created so many hierarchies. Not just one. The further you go back in history the less industries and hierarchy’s you can climb. You only had a few and if you didn’t end up at the top few you were poor. Now there is an infinite number that you can climb and find one that gives you the best chance with your abilities. Athletes alone have dozens of options to be at the top and wealthy and successful. Everyone doesn’t have to play basketball. So thinking the way he doesn’t because business in industries choose to market products as off a world could exist where everyone has a one track mind and doesn’t need rewarded or
Motivated or a break. Also devolving you the dark ages of one hierarchy where everyone fights their way up a medical hierarchy regardless of their skill and interested and ability in that field. Those who don’t are relegated to poverty because Russel Brand doesn’t like capitalism and consumerism.
Wearing your girlfriends shirt are we