A true great we had our first 1200 in 1980 fitted with an opico turbo then had another 2 shortly afterwards really great to drive miss those days nice to the film ..
In my opinion one of the most comfortable tractors ever made, any limitations were because of the use of existing components in a radical design instead of newer beefed up parts.
I watched this because I once had the experience of driving one of these , it took a bit of getting used to with the steering , but by god ! could it pull , the worst part for us as lads was the engine , o.k. it was a big roaring Perkins , made here , in Peterborough , & not a bad starter , but the fuel consumption was something we used to discuss how to try to improve , as it burnt off 70 imperial gallons of diesel to do one day,s ploughing , albeit on heavy clay soil , so revving the old thunderer a bit . A company with the knowledge & tooling capacity like Perkins had almost certainly made a more efficient engine somewhere , I can only assume that for some undisclosed reason M - F didn,t use it , what a shame . Otherwise an excellent tractor for cultivations . ( for all the groaners out there , I,m a lifelong M - F fan since 8 years old , & old enough to ask my old dad how a tractor worked ! ) . Stunningly , I have found out that I have a virtual body double ; I have never had the honour & pleasure of working for M -F , but the driver in this video looks almost exactly like me at the same point in time ! small world . Happy Spanners .
I don’t think MF or Perkins had anything more frugal than this in the day and any engine worked very hard will use lots of diesel. In contrast I did a week of fert spreading, 5 days, ave 100 hectares/day 500 ha, used from fill up to fill up 500 l diesel, would have been 400 without roadwork, that’s between 0.8 and 1 L/ha or between 0.32 and 0.4 litres/acre
Werent massys ploughs made by huard in france for them . Never seen this idea before now but it looks as if it shoulda bn a game changer . But ploughs are still the same as ever apart from not so much disc cutters and more skimmer type . Ploughs with disc cutters were allways a heavy plough . . Does anyone know if this diamond plough is still made . Cheers in advance . Thanks for uploading .
1st demonstrator tractors released in 1972 with the 1st sales to U.K. farmers in 1973. My father had the very 1st non-demonstrator tractor in 1973. After one year MF took it back to Kilmarnock, completely took it apart and measured the stresses on many components. Then made a few modifications before sending it back to us.
Apparently, they were certain death for a rotavator, the thing was if you turned the steering wheel whilst it was still in the ground it used to bugger the bearings at each end of the shaft.
Now then, Jim how would know that?🤣 . That reminds me of when I went on a shoot a long time ago. The farmer hosting the shoot was telling us about one guy he knows that every time he actually shot and killed something he used to get very excited and his reaction was like "Ooh ooh ooh!" it just sounded as if he was having sex!" Quick as a flash one of the other guys on the shoot said to him "Well _____ how would YOU know what he sounds like when he's having sex?" 🤣🤣🤣
@@piotrek8903 I don't know. Masseys had high hopes for this plough ( Which was actually made for them by The French company Huard) but it soon disappeared off the market. It was a similar story with the so called "Square plough". I think most of those ended up in the nettles. Absolutely useless in heavy land apparently.
Typical 1970's musak! I much prefer to hear that 6.354 engine, a lovely sounding engine even though the slightest load caused them to cough a bit of black smoke!
@@Mackeson3 the 6.354 is an amazing engine, that found it's way in to many different market sectors. And it was continually developed. When I think of it, I also think of the Spitfire aircraft, as both had so many iterations. As for the music: Jazz Club on the Fast Show; 'mm, nice'!
TheVox Hey mate, D145 is a bit different to the 1200. D145 has a Cummins motor coupled to a 12 speed versatile box. 1200 has a Perkins 6.354 coupled to a 10 speed MF transmission. Correct me if I’m wrong but we’re they also fitted with multi power?
@@BIGRIG2005. The 1976 one I drove in about 1980 was a 3 forward 1 reverse doubled by high and low and doubled again with multi power. Therfore it was a 12 speed forward 4 reverse. The one I drove was on something like 13.6 38 tyres, so quite narrow, but could grip like nothing else with a diff lock on both axles as well. It could run out of power before traction. A bit quirky to drive for a novice but once you got the hang of the steering it was very easy. A little tricky hitching up to implement or drawbar on your own. The Perkins 6.345 smoked under heavy loads, a sure sign of wasted fuel. The controls were well placed for a machine of that era and with a flat floor and commanding driving position.
@@essexpeter6116 Thirsty buggers weren't they? I remember reading about a farmer who traded one in for a Mercedes MB Trac 125 hp tractor. When the tractor arrived he looked at the handbook and noticed what it said about the size of the fuel tank, which appeared a lot smaller than the one on The 1200. Bearing that in mind, he phoned the dealer and asked if before he got it dirty, could he could have an auxiliary fuel tank fitted . The dealer said "Well go and plough with it for a few days first and then get back to me if you still want us to fit the tank" 😉 So he did and he found that pulling the same plough it used exactly half the amount of fuel in a day that the Massey did! (And he was getting more done in a day) 😯 Suffice to say, he changed his mind about the extra diesel tank.
A true great we had our first 1200 in 1980 fitted with an opico turbo then had another 2 shortly afterwards really great to drive miss those days nice to the film ..
I Have one my self , It drives so nice . , good plowing tractor .
Seems ahead of its time
that was the coolest thing in a British field back then......
In my opinion one of the most comfortable tractors ever made, any limitations were because of the use of existing components in a radical design instead of newer beefed up parts.
What a beast.
Mooi !
Jolly good show old chap 😅
Hermoso
I watched this because I once had the experience of driving one of these , it took a bit of getting used to with the steering , but by god ! could it pull , the worst part for us as lads was the engine , o.k. it was a big roaring Perkins , made here , in Peterborough , & not a bad starter , but the fuel consumption was something we used to discuss how to try to improve , as it burnt off 70 imperial gallons of diesel to do one day,s ploughing , albeit on heavy clay soil , so revving the old thunderer a bit . A company with the knowledge & tooling capacity like Perkins had almost certainly made a more efficient engine somewhere , I can only assume that for some undisclosed reason M - F didn,t use it , what a shame . Otherwise an excellent tractor for cultivations . ( for all the groaners out there , I,m a lifelong M - F fan since 8 years old , & old enough to ask my old dad how a tractor worked ! ) . Stunningly , I have found out that I have a virtual body double ; I have never had the honour & pleasure of working for M -F , but the driver in this video looks almost exactly like me at the same point in time ! small world . Happy Spanners .
Hello, Massey has greatly improved the fuel consumption issue. Tally ho.
I don’t think MF or Perkins had anything more frugal than this in the day and any engine worked very hard will use lots of diesel. In contrast I did a week of fert spreading, 5 days, ave 100 hectares/day 500 ha, used from fill up to fill up 500 l diesel, would have been 400 without roadwork, that’s between 0.8 and 1 L/ha or between 0.32 and 0.4 litres/acre
👏👏👏Show...👍
We hade a 175 in it was only one i ever liked we had biger tires real tall and on slim side because it was a little low with tires she came with
I always thought it was a frame that could have handled 200hp easily..
What will they think of next
A Bloke can get a lot of plowing done with this bad boy!
Perkins 6354
The way it can flex i like that should have that on some smaller skiders i like the all tires on ground wonder y skidders never hade that
Werent massys ploughs made by huard in france for them . Never seen this idea before now but it looks as if it shoulda bn a game changer . But ploughs are still the same as ever apart from not so much disc cutters and more skimmer type . Ploughs with disc cutters were allways a heavy plough . . Does anyone know if this diamond plough is still made . Cheers in advance . Thanks for uploading .
Yes, this is a Huard
Can anyone tell me in what year was this machine launched ?
Elcio Sampaio 1972
@@MarkPenfoldfarmfilm 🖒👏
1st demonstrator tractors released in 1972 with the 1st sales to U.K. farmers in 1973.
My father had the very 1st non-demonstrator tractor in 1973.
After one year MF took it back to Kilmarnock, completely took it apart and measured the stresses on many components. Then made a few modifications before sending it back to us.
Half no chahiy
Pivot steer was a bit awkward when ploughing
Apparently, they were certain death for a rotavator, the thing was if you turned the steering wheel whilst it was still in the ground it used to bugger the bearings at each end of the shaft.
Turn the steering wheel whilst your rotavator was still in work and the lateral thrust used to knacker the rotor bearings
It would be worse with duals, but there is no front wheel to ride along the trench.
Must of ben built pritty good se that cole corn stars farm has ben running them sence new and their still going
المفروض يكون في توكيل ماسي فيردسون في مصر
I have one here in the states,kinda an ackward beast
Dan Kallman are there many over there Dan
massy 135 is good ......my choice
I have a 1200 and a 135. If I had to keep one I would go with the 135.
Great tractor - but the soundtrack reminds me of of 70's porno......😂🤣😂🤣
Now then, Jim how would know that?🤣 . That reminds me of when I went on a shoot a long time ago. The farmer hosting the shoot was telling us about one guy he knows that every time he actually shot and killed something he used to get very excited and his reaction was like "Ooh ooh ooh!" it just sounded as if he was having sex!" Quick as a flash one of the other guys on the shoot said to him "Well _____ how would YOU know what he sounds like when he's having sex?" 🤣🤣🤣
@@Mackeson3 I'm an expert in 70's porn.......😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
The "Diamond" plough soon died a natural death
why?
@@piotrek8903 I don't know. Masseys had high hopes for this plough ( Which was actually made for them by The French company Huard) but it soon disappeared off the market. It was a similar story with the so called "Square plough". I think most of those ended up in the nettles. Absolutely useless in heavy land apparently.
@@Mackeson3 Diamond bodies are still mentioned in Kuhn plough brochures so I guess they are still available.
انا عندى جرارين ماسى وقفين على اربة الفتيس لو فيه مراسلة ارسلو لى بلغة العربية
رقمهم ٣٦٥٥
Bloody awful music for a bloody good tractor .
Typical 1970's musak! I much prefer to hear that 6.354 engine, a lovely sounding engine even though the slightest load caused them to cough a bit of black smoke!
@@Mackeson3 the 6.354 is an amazing engine, that found it's way in to many different market sectors. And it was continually developed. When I think of it, I also think of the Spitfire aircraft, as both had so many iterations.
As for the music: Jazz Club on the Fast Show; 'mm, nice'!
انتم مقصرين جدا فالجرار الماسى فى مصر
Copy of Versatile D145.
TheVox Hey mate, D145 is a bit different to the 1200. D145 has a Cummins motor coupled to a 12 speed versatile box. 1200 has a Perkins 6.354 coupled to a 10 speed MF transmission. Correct me if I’m wrong but we’re they also fitted with multi power?
@@BIGRIG2005. The 1976 one I drove in about 1980 was a 3 forward 1 reverse doubled by high and low and doubled again with multi power. Therfore it was a 12 speed forward 4 reverse.
The one I drove was on something like 13.6 38 tyres, so quite narrow, but could grip like nothing else with a diff lock on both axles as well. It could run out of power before traction. A bit quirky to drive for a novice but once you got the hang of the steering it was very easy. A little tricky hitching up to implement or drawbar on your own. The Perkins 6.345 smoked under heavy loads, a sure sign of wasted fuel. The controls were well placed for a machine of that era and with a flat floor and commanding driving position.
@@essexpeter6116 Thirsty buggers weren't they? I remember reading about a farmer who traded one in for a Mercedes MB Trac 125 hp tractor. When the tractor arrived he looked at the handbook and noticed what it said about the size of the fuel tank, which appeared a lot smaller than the one on The 1200. Bearing that in mind, he phoned the dealer and asked if before he got it dirty, could he could have an auxiliary fuel tank fitted . The dealer said "Well go and plough with it for a few days first and then get back to me if you still want us to fit the tank" 😉 So he did and he found that pulling the same plough it used exactly half the amount of fuel in a day that the Massey did! (And he was getting more done in a day) 😯 Suffice to say, he changed his mind about the extra diesel tank.
Wow European tractors are weird
Pretty sure its not.
It was designed in The USA!