Massey 1200 vs 1250 special

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  • Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
  • A comparison between Massey 1200 and 1250 Sunday special 👍👍👍

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  • @shirleydrury5565
    @shirleydrury5565 Місяць тому +1

    Credit to you Dave brings back a lot of happy memories. Dad had two brand new in 70s had a lot of happy hours with him in the cab 😊regards😊👍👍😊

  • @Hank77442
    @Hank77442 2 місяці тому +1

    Greetings from JT's neck of the woods! Thanks for the great, informative video. Not really a farmer, but I love the history of the Massey Fergusons. Thanks for keeping them going.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  2 місяці тому +2

      Hey , thanks , I do 3 vids a week of mostly tractor stuff with sum truck and plenty of banter 👍

  • @originalforgery
    @originalforgery 7 місяців тому +4

    I had a 1200 for a number of years down here in Devon - used to take it to shows.
    Nothing will ever prepare you for the shock of taking up the floor and seeing a Massey 35 gearbox ! Yes I know its different on the inside but the casting is the same - including where the 35 foot pegs bolted....🤣🤣😁😁
    Still loved it I did.
    Now lives in North Devon..

  • @FlyingFergyMan
    @FlyingFergyMan 9 місяців тому +4

    Unbelievable restoration Dave a real credit to your skill and patience. Great to see both side by side and the difference between them.

  • @hnorrstrom
    @hnorrstrom 6 місяців тому +4

    I have a 1979 1200 here in Sweden.
    But its massivly rebuilt sometime in the mid 80's.
    With a massive 7,3m forestry crane in the back and fuel tank moved to the side to make room in the cabin to be able to drive and sit backwards as well. Hudralic tank and extra pump in the front.
    18.4-34 and chains on all tires, and steel plates underneath for forestry work.
    Exhaust moved to the side of the cabin etc. etc..
    Its currently gets the engine replaced.
    It has a lot of flaws but its quite useful to have around the farm.

    • @aparecidonogueira6536
      @aparecidonogueira6536 6 місяців тому

      Eu já tive um máximo 1805 era um motor

    • @aparecidonogueira6536
      @aparecidonogueira6536 6 місяців тому

      Por que que a Massey Ferguson não volta nos articulado que se é um trator eficiente

  • @Reeser10
    @Reeser10 10 місяців тому +3

    Hello Dave, I've also owned a Mark 2 1200, from 1978. It fell out of 3rd gear and have been looking for that gear for a long time untill I contacted you because of your MF 1200 FB account. You were the only one that could supply me with a new gear. 👍 I don't own the 1200 anymore but it was fun to drive.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому +1

      Was very lucky to get that gear ! 👍👍

  • @jamiestanyard1588
    @jamiestanyard1588 10 місяців тому +2

    Happy memories of the late 70's and a job on a farm just after leaving school.They had a 1200 there and I remember it being quite a good bit of kit at the time.Sadly I can't remember the reg number now .Only just found out recently how few of them were made.There seemed to be quite a few of them around at the time,perhaps we were just lucky to be in an area where they were popular.Keep up the good work Dave,it's lovely to see and interesting to watch.Cheers Geeza.

  • @Adrian-tj6ye
    @Adrian-tj6ye 10 місяців тому +4

    A serious credit to you Dave.. the time and effort alone without the cost of everything is amazing. Keep her lite 👌

  • @cliverwilliamson5639
    @cliverwilliamson5639 10 місяців тому +1

    Super video….. 👍🏻👌🏻 nice bit of history….

  • @JamesMitchell-ei9qy
    @JamesMitchell-ei9qy 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi Dave! Love what you do! There were a few 1200's sold in New Zealand. I know of 3 in the North Island alone & there are a few in the South Island as well. One of our Friends of Ferguson Heritage members has imported a 1250 from the UK & a MF 4880 from the US to add to his already impressive collection of Massey Ferguson tractors. I'm working on restoring an early 1966 MF 165 with the 203 Perkins motor, so I appreciate the work you & the apprentice put into those tractors! Always enjoy your videos!

  • @michaelsmith-dm3kb
    @michaelsmith-dm3kb 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Dave,love all the articulated masseys.

  • @grahamclark7594
    @grahamclark7594 10 місяців тому +5

    Come on Mike, lm in Sweden, further away so the signal is weaker here 😂😂😂😂😂. All joking aside, they are things of beauty,greatly underestimated and had MF not had financial difficulties the 1250 would have continued and the supposed bigger artics (140 hp) may have been built. Largest concentration of 1250's l knew of were in Indonesia. They went onto Sugar Projects. At that time l was working fur Fird and our projects were on Sumatera and we had 6610's, 7610 and 964 Counties. The MF Projects were on Java and Kalimantan if L remember correctly. They had 290's, 298 Turbos and 1250's. The 298T was not official but converted to meet the Tender Soecifications. Both companies won three projects with a total of something like 3 to 400 units total. Have details somewhere

    • @78mikehayes
      @78mikehayes 10 місяців тому

      I wonder if they’d ship any of them back for spares!!

  • @benjamincoombes6869
    @benjamincoombes6869 10 місяців тому +3

    Great video Dave! Always wondered what the upgrades were 😊

  • @arthurmowatt8256
    @arthurmowatt8256 5 місяців тому +1

    just found your channel very interesting i drove a 1200 then a 1250 on the farm i worked on in the 70,s the 1250 i drove had a straight chrome exhaust came from massey like that never new not many of them were made

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  5 місяців тому

      Thanks , yea 322 1250s were made

  • @willharris8324
    @willharris8324 10 місяців тому +5

    Interesting to hear how you got into them Dave and the differences between them. I think you've sparked an interest for a lot of us in these models that we never had before! Is the 1200 staying in it's working clothes or going to have the Massey Dave treatment in time?
    Cheers 👍

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому +3

      Cheers , she will say as she is

  • @Happyfarmer595
    @Happyfarmer595 10 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video kept you busy for a hour or two on a Sunday morning!

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому

      Half hr this avo ! Was in work this morning makin parts !!

  • @ballyhoulihanagrivideos397
    @ballyhoulihanagrivideos397 10 місяців тому +1

    Lovely informative video.

  • @Rickwardful
    @Rickwardful 7 місяців тому +1

    There was always a very distinct 1200/1250 almost Marmite/Bakelite type smell inside the cabs of them.
    Do yours smell similar?
    You also never forget the cluck/rattle of the door pull as you slammed the door shut and the thud of the window opening levers as they are opened or closed.
    Absolute heavenly things to drive and own. Wish I still had all 3 I have had over the years.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  7 місяців тому

      Thanks ! Yea know what you mean 👍👍 ole skool so much better than this new stuff !

  • @spudhauler
    @spudhauler 10 місяців тому +1

    Agree with you that she's a thing of beauty👌made for an interesting and good watch. 👍🍻🍻

  • @colinboreham2744
    @colinboreham2744 3 місяці тому +1

    I remember chisel ploughing with a 1200 at Brackenhurst College in 1986/87.
    Happy days.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  3 місяці тому

      👍👍

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  3 місяці тому +1

      I was a brymore school then learning farm stuff 👍

  • @ptinker1968
    @ptinker1968 5 місяців тому +1

    brings back memories 😊

  • @vdub8567
    @vdub8567 10 місяців тому +1

    Still the coolest looking tractors around dave

  • @user-lz8jx7vw3u
    @user-lz8jx7vw3u 10 місяців тому +1

    Machines of beauty Dave keep up the good work

  • @Swans_And_Ducks
    @Swans_And_Ducks Місяць тому +1

    What was the advantage over a traditional tractor? My dad drove one, as a small child I remember him chuntering every time he had to drive it. He normally drove a 2640.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  Місяць тому +1

      1200/1250 was predominantly a pulling tractor for arable , weight distribution with implement on and manoverability

  • @johnlawless8059
    @johnlawless8059 10 місяців тому +1

    Super stuff as always , what classic beauts ,

  • @richardhampton5499
    @richardhampton5499 10 місяців тому +3

    I was of the understanding that there was 322 1250 built

  • @aparecidonogueira6536
    @aparecidonogueira6536 6 місяців тому +1

    Muito bons trctor

  • @Steve80-90
    @Steve80-90 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video Dave. Nice comparison

  • @kenmonk8262
    @kenmonk8262 9 місяців тому +1

    Olly blog has one

  • @eamondempsey3018
    @eamondempsey3018 10 місяців тому

    Bit late to the party here...Great bonus video Dave. My interest was sparked 30+ years ago after seeing one for sale locally and wanted one since. I always felt they had a lot more to offer than their blue equal wheel counterparts (might be a controversial statement but i think this is a safe space 😂). Keep up the good work Dave & Penny keeping the tractors restored along with those all important parts and most importantly the information (& entertainment 😂) you provide is priceless 👏

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому

      Cheers @eamondempsey3018

  • @michaelsmyth8125
    @michaelsmyth8125 10 місяців тому +1

    Very informative Dave.

  • @sonextcentury
    @sonextcentury 10 місяців тому +1

    Worked on quite a few 1200's, but only ever worked on one 1250. Think when they were introduced, the 2000 series tractors were preferred as they looked more conventional

    • @jamesbarbour8400
      @jamesbarbour8400 8 місяців тому +2

      They were also cheaper to buy and more flexible in their application than either the MF 1200 or the later MF 1250.
      The MF 1250 used the same engine as the MF 2000 series, the 6-354•4, which had machined inlet ports in the cylinder head, a thickened and deeper 'skirt' and the tappet covers were eliminated, with a now constant section of material on the RHS of the engine. This made it structurally stronger, and in conjunction with the massively strong engine sump, allowed such tractors as the MF 2000s (US 1978, Europe 1979), and MF 699 (1984), to be feasible in the first place, since the engine block was now strong and rigid enough to be used as a structural member.

  • @multipower617
    @multipower617 10 місяців тому +1

    Absolutely fantastic video Dave, very interesting and informative
    Is that the 1250 you had at the Somerset vintage show a couple of years ago ?

  • @centraleaves
    @centraleaves 8 місяців тому

    I worked at the combine plant in Brantford Ontario back in the 80's Thay had a implement newly built it ran for a year or 2 then gutted it and brought those articulation tractors from the UK to Brantford Thay built 7 V8 tractors and closed the plant and moved the production back to the UK . where were Thay built after that.

  • @johnnymurphy2195
    @johnnymurphy2195 10 місяців тому +1

    Brillant video Dave. Ive only known about the 1200 and 1250 for the last couple of years and wondered what the diffrance was. Have you done any of the Americian v8 ones done know the model number . Hope your after bottle of beer. Im enjoying a pint of the Guiness

  • @petergardner2334
    @petergardner2334 9 місяців тому

    they are special would nice to have one one day but there now to dear

  • @markallen6961
    @markallen6961 10 місяців тому +2

    Were there many differences between the early and later 1200s?👍

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому

      Not much , went from dry brakes to wet and then a constant mesh gear box from a crash box

    • @jamesbarbour8400
      @jamesbarbour8400 8 місяців тому

      Also tinted glass in the cab from about 1977 onward.

  • @trevormontgomery2869
    @trevormontgomery2869 10 місяців тому +1

    All way's liked 1200 1250

  • @thomascurran2990
    @thomascurran2990 10 місяців тому +1

    interesting

  • @paulnewman2115
    @paulnewman2115 9 місяців тому +1

    👍

  • @78mikehayes
    @78mikehayes 10 місяців тому +1

    I’m struggling for signal out here at sea

  • @nicklovell8148
    @nicklovell8148 10 місяців тому +1

    I’d love to see and hear the 1250 on a plough...

  • @ericbrisson3925
    @ericbrisson3925 9 місяців тому +1

    Hello Dave, wonderful video on these legendary tractors! a terrible look....! You are an expert on these machines, and above all a great restorer....... I have a quick question regarding the 1200 and 1250: at what maximum speed did these tractors travel in England? I am in France, and here they were moving at 24 - 25 km/hour
    Thanks again, see you soon

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  9 місяців тому +1

      Hi , thanks 👍👍 probably about 16-18 mph

  • @DavidBrown-fq3ri
    @DavidBrown-fq3ri 10 місяців тому

    Why Dave, has the 1200 got a 1250 steering wheel and the 1250 have a 1200 steering wheel?
    1200/50’s are an obsession. Just different in every way.
    Nothing else in the power and weight class has ever come close for wheel grip.
    A joy to drive in the fields. 👍👍
    Ps. Love your videos of what you do.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому

      The 1200 there is a late one , almost bar 50 in the production , so it has a few 1250 similarity , the 1250 is an aftermarket one as the one it had was broken ! 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @grahamclark7594
    @grahamclark7594 10 місяців тому +1

    Waiting for it

  • @stephenroddy3841
    @stephenroddy3841 10 місяців тому +1

    That 1250 is a beauty, do you know how many hours you put into the restoration?

  • @bergmichel5348
    @bergmichel5348 6 місяців тому +1

    Hi, my brother in law owns a MF1200 (1976). We are looking for a circuit diagram, maybe someone can help us!? Greetings from Germany!

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  6 місяців тому

      Email me , ferguson1200@btinternet.com

    • @bergmichel5348
      @bergmichel5348 6 місяців тому

      @@MasseyDave Oh, great! 😊

  • @Rickwardful
    @Rickwardful 10 місяців тому +1

    Was there not some connection with certainly the early 1200’s with Kilmarnock?
    My father had one of the first, if not the first non-demonstration 1200’s sold to any farm in 1972/3 and MF lavished a lot of entertainment and factory visits to him while sale negotiations took place, including a visit to the Kilmarnock factory and lots of Malt whiskey tastings! (“May I have some water with it?” …..”You will not!”)
    MF took his tractor away after a year and smash tested many important bolts on it before rebuilding it and sending it back, with several improvements, including the shaft bolts between Engine and transmission.
    We eventually had 2 1200’s and a 1250. All were adored, but the 1250 was definitely superior.
    Just brilliant tractors. Their grip was unbelievable!
    You have dome a fantastic job Dave.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому +1

      Thanks , thought Kilmarnock was where they built the combines ?? Colin Cloude is a font of knowledge on that front 👍👍

    • @Rickwardful
      @Rickwardful 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MasseyDave Yes they definitely did build Combine there.
      Maybe I’m mistaken, but MF definitely took my Dad to Kilmarnock about the time he was negotiating with MF, through F A Standen at Ely to buy that first 1200.
      He was no fan of MF Combines, so he wouldn’t have gone there to see them.
      And I do remember something about Manchester.
      I wonder if Colin could enlighten us to the details?
      I also remember them being shown on Tomorrow’s World, but a while after we had taken delivery of ours. They also showed a 1505.
      Anther thing I remember was when they took ours away for testing, they lent us another 1200 which was a very early test model. It had weighted PAVT wheels on it which made it look awful!
      We used our first one with a 5 furrow Dowdeswell semi mounted (DP2?) plough, ploughing on land rather that in the furrow. This was no good when it got wet as the tractor would always end up sliding into the furrow. Eventually we bought a fully mounted 4 furrow Lemken and drove the tractor in furrow which sorted it all out.
      MF came out with its Diamond plough, but it would not turn the land over well enough on heavy land.
      By the time we had the 1250, we had a Dowdeswell DP8 plough and we thought this was the perfect plough for it

    • @Rickwardful
      @Rickwardful 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MasseyDave
      By the way Dave, just been talking to my brother Paul, who I now know has spoken with you several times. He drove our 2nd 1200, the S reg until it cremated itself. Then we replaced it with the 1250.
      Paul sends his regards and apologises for not having kept in touch recently. But he has been quite busy. He and my brother Mark have a lovely late 390 and an absolute peach of a 3125.
      Paul is still trying to find out where our old 1250 is, but knows she was exported.
      My Brothers’ are in North Suffolk and I am in the North Cotswolds. When I arrived here at Moreton-in-Marsh in 1996, the was a local Contractor, Tim Ingles, who has 3 1200’s and there still is another guy near me that has another 3 of them. One has a fore-end loader, mounted on the back of the tractor.

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому

      @Rickwardful hi , Paul ? Soz I have a lot of people contact me so forgive me if I can’t recall 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😂😘 u not that far from me. I’m in Somerset
      Dave

    • @Rickwardful
      @Rickwardful 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MasseyDave Not to worry Dave. It has been 2 years since brother Paul ward spoke with you.
      Those of us the had and loved our 1200’s and 1250’s absolutely love the fact that you collect, use and restore so many of them.

  • @davidlecorsier1037
    @davidlecorsier1037 10 місяців тому +1

    Sous titre svp merci

  • @russelljohnson4847
    @russelljohnson4847 10 місяців тому +1

    Doesn’t she sound sweet 👌

  • @seanmcguigan346
    @seanmcguigan346 10 місяців тому +1

    No difference. Both equally important

  • @grahamclark7594
    @grahamclark7594 10 місяців тому +1

    First, come on Mike and Spudhauler

    • @spudhauler
      @spudhauler 10 місяців тому +1

      👍well deserved never saw this one coming 👀👀👏😂🍻🍻

  • @tractorrestorations6055
    @tractorrestorations6055 10 місяців тому +1

    1250 for me dave at 1200 money though 😂😂

  • @MisterThinko
    @MisterThinko 10 місяців тому

    IMT 5000 series SFRJ YU tractors

  • @nickhill3362
    @nickhill3362 10 місяців тому

    Hi Dave what would you estimate the price of a Mf 1250 in original good condition thanks

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому

      You selling or looking to buy ?

    • @nickhill3362
      @nickhill3362 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MasseyDave looking to buy Dave

    • @nickhill3362
      @nickhill3362 10 місяців тому

      ​@@MasseyDaveHi Dave any thoughts I'm only after a very rough guide

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  10 місяців тому +1

      A couple sold in Sweden few months ago in region of £55 k

    • @nickhill3362
      @nickhill3362 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@MasseyDave thanks Dave

  • @robgreen7576
    @robgreen7576 10 місяців тому +1

    Is there any difference in hp?

  • @bernardmahon4709
    @bernardmahon4709 9 місяців тому +1

    Hi.dave.farmer.phil.got.u.new.subscriber.from.ireland.like.father.phil.said.ur.restorations.are.top.notch.u.have.a.full.range.of.skills.for.every.aspect.of.the.job.it.should.leave.your.owrestorationsthat.bit.less.exspensive.your.a.one.off.man.keep.up.the.good.work

  • @camrancook9669
    @camrancook9669 8 місяців тому +1

    Get a stainless steel pipe on the 1250 😂

  • @eveningstar3230
    @eveningstar3230 6 місяців тому +1

    great video, dreadful tractor! i speak from experience!

    • @MasseyDave
      @MasseyDave  6 місяців тому

      Thanks , each to their own , Tis a piece of history ! Bet u won’t see these modern day tractors still running on 40 + years time ?!? 👍

    • @eveningstar3230
      @eveningstar3230 6 місяців тому +1

      You are correct!!!@@MasseyDave