I’ve always been an IH fan. But to be honest, I’m a tractor fan. No matter what grandpa drove and you became addicted to, all the manufacturers put out good products. And some bad. I wish all the companies were still around. AC, Oliver, MM, Case. I’m sure when Massey built these, the 24 speed was built with the best intentions. They thought the Big V 8 was going to be trouble free. But I can make a list here of problems from all of them, even my beloved IH. I miss the days of all these brands.
Back then they were all experimenting their own designs and had different options for different needs. Now they all just wait until a patent is expired and copy each other.
I’m not even a blue blood but shit the story of Ford on top of the world to the brand now known as New Holland is a damn shame I’ll never understand. Ford tractors were lighter, stronger, and more fuel efficient than everything else back then and they sold off the agri business just like that. The old Ford machines are timeless man damn shame that is.
They weren’t matched really. JD was a versatile brand back then and could supply every farmer even from the niche corners of agriculture but they were lacking strength for engine size and were heavy on the fuel. In Europe the Case tractors from the Neuss factory in Germany were the only ones matching Ford in those days. Fendt was making massive steps and in the 80’s were catching up quickly, but Ford was unmatched only Massey managed to come close late 80’s. Oh shit I only just realized a forgotten giant in Europe back then, Renault was GIGANTIC in the late 80’s and throughout the 90’s. Extremely solid machines, would start in freezing temp within 5 secs and leading the field in curb weight. Talk about a ghost story back then Ford and Renault made up just about 90% of the contracting fleet in the Netherlands. Come 2020 both brands are as good as dead. Damn shame. Remembering Renault just now that takes me back the orange tractor back then was everywhere and for good reason. Just about the same sad story as Ford for the French manufacturing giant. Nowadays in Europe it’s all about Fendt, and rightfully so. They’re doing everything right and have the support system to back it up. You can’t go wrong with Fendt honestly.
2000 series were one of best general purpose tractors ever. Simple, rugged, not a pain to fix compared to some others. And a good size that wasn't too big or too small.
@@costleyfarm about 6 updates since new to the 2745 ac, above 90 the best you get is a small pocket of air. When we used it for cultivating had to build an external sun visor just to sorta keep up. The only thing positive about the cab design is the heater is either redundant or for night use.
I've always been a IH fan but when I was a little boy I was looking on youtube and I saw a video of a massey ferguson 2705 raking hay and when that engine started I fell in love. I'm now a IH, Ford, and Massey Ferguson fan
We farmed with a couple of tractors from this series when they were brand new back in the early 1980's. In most ways, I loved driving them. Big improvement in drive-ability over the previous Massey Ferguson series, especially in regards to gear changing. I had mixed feelings about the cab. It was easier to get in and out of than previous cabs, and had better visibility than previous designs. However, I've never been a big fan of the "cab forward" design, even though most other brands have since then adopted that design. With the cab forward design, over rough terrain you do a lot more bouncing in the seat because the driver is located further forward from the "pivot point" which is the rear axle. As the front end goes up and then drops, so does the driver. In older models, with the driver located directly above the rear axle, when the front end would go up and then drop, the driver just "rotates" a little over the rear axle, and that makes for a smother ride. Also, even though visibility is better in the 2000 series, I never really had a visibility problem with previous "non-cab forward" models. The big drawback to this series was reliability, especially with the transmissions. The easier-to-shift transmission of the 2000 series proved to be much less reliable than the transmissions of previous Massey Ferguson models, which were more difficult to shift but very rugged. Some of the problems stemmed from the way the driver shifted the gears. If you waited for the gears to stop spinning before shifting, it wasn't so bad. But many drivers would shift too soon, and "force" the gear in, grinding the gears a little in the process. That bad habit would soon lead to transmission failure. The V8 engines had a lot of "high end power" (horsepower at high RPM's), but not as much "low end power" (lugging ability at low RPM's), and they seemed to burn significantly more fuel than similar sized turbo-charged straight 6 cylinder engines. And though Perkins diesel engines, in general, have a well deserved reputation for reliability, the Perkins V8 offerings of that era were not as reliable as some of their turbo charged 6 cylinder engines of that same era.
My 2805 was better on fuel than what my 4240 John Deere was !! That V8 engine certainly had some low end power, don’t try to fool yourself on that one !! The 8sp transmissions in those tractors were bullet proof, only the 24sp was garbage. Kinda like how John Deere’s power shift transmissions from that era were garbage too !!! You get the 8sp transmission in a 2000 series Massey Ferguson, alone with getting the quad range transmission in the John Deere’s !!!
What about getting hood open? Like alone? You have to lift it over the exhaust pipe. And gearbox, hydraulic, steering, brakes, differential have only one filter.
What song is that at 1:29? I’d like to know where I can listen to it These tractors are real beasts we’ve got a 2675 on our farm down under and I’ve seen other tractors in it’s series Pity they ain’t making parts for em no more
Im going to upload the versions of the songs, I know the song by heart, before the entered Agco, MF had the concept of their own theme song, and this is one of versions.
Oh? why not? .. just look what we can do now ( OK , Soooh many years later ) 4cyl to around 150hp. Torque is what you get out of the gearbox rear end and as long as their is enough at the wheels or PTO shaft, shold not be a problem. Hve often heard in conversation that tractors ( & Cars) should have a sealed black box as power unit, sold to do a particular range of jobs. Ppl get so upset about "Figures" - too many revs, too many mph, etc without understanding the engineering behind it all. If it'll pull the Plow as I want it or power the Forager, etc - then that's all I want / need to know....
Best thing you can do with a v8 diesel is keep the throttle up, and don't force the tractor to lug. As long as you do that they're great engines and will work great for you.
Rice Krispies! I've got a 690 Massey. I think they used the same body from 80's to 2000's. I think in the 4000'series they just added a couple of rods for extra support underneath the cab. Like damn pants suspenders, looks funny. Enginerding.
John Deere had plenty enough trouble of their own to deal with over their raggedy ass power shift transmissions they had around that time period too !!!
My family had MF MM OLIVER WHITE VERSATILE and many short lines. Dad did ok for over 30 years. Then family got the JD franchise. Like day and night. I was out of the business but always talked to the guys. JD is so much better in design, parts, resale value, worth rebuilding, etc. JD sells itself. They put lots of their profit into research and development. The business did very well with Deere. Way less shop problems. Sorry, I liked MF but they blew it. Didn’t keep up with the times. MF did way better in other countries as MF was very good with smaller tractors.
@@farmertyler8087 I wouldn't call that risky. It would appear by the traction conditions duals are the correct choice. Having only one set of duals on the out side would make it more difficult to control. Would be no different than cultivating driving wise.
It wasn’t just the 2805, it was every tractor in that series that had the 24sp transmission. All of the tractors that had the 8sp transmissions were damn good tractors !! I’ve had numerous different Massey Ferguson tractors throughout the year. I can honestly say that I never once had any kind of axle problems with any of them !!!
@@bigbossman3987 - I can remember a farmer bought a 2805. The front axle broke. My dad seem to think the axle was too light for the weight it supported.
My hart is absolutely beating for US tractors-The Massey V8 tractors are "Prärie Gold" in my Eyes...Massey should go back to a V8 Line that's what I'm convinced of! AMERICA NEEDS BACK OLD SCHOOL POWER! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGIN!!!🇺🇸🖤♠️🎱💪👍🇺🇸
@@wdwvideos270 and Canada is part of the america's just like mexico , and numerous other countries are . Make america great again also means making the continent as a whole great again . Think 🤔 about it .
I’ve had god luck so far with my Allis 200 and D-19, I think a lot of it is was your local dealer a massey dealer? Ours was an Allis Dealer, and so they still seem to have parts or can get them. The other factor is the massey company in this video no longer exists. American massey died, what they sell now is a mix of European massey and legacy brands like Allis, white, and some massey. When your company takes over 6 old tractor brands it’s hard to keep parts for everyone
AGCO doesn't care about all the previous companies that made them who they are now. I'm a Oliver fan, and they've discontinued a lot of parts for them over the recent years. They only care about new stuff and what sells. No support for the old tractors
@Acer Acres they have fendt transmissions. Other than that they are still Massey built in the Massey plants in France and USA. Not in the fendt plant in Germany
Only CVT models have Fendt transmissions. Dyna-4 and Dyna-6 are Massey transmissions. Those models are still 100% Massey, still loosely based on the 2000 series.
Unfortunately, after dealing with numerous transmission failures in his Massey 2000 tractor, the farmer in this video went bankrupt. The tractor went no sale at the liquidation auction.
@@treverb3183 it couldn't handle the high horsepower units, the 2675 and 2705 for example were an awesome match - as long as you didn't drive it like an idiot
At first glance, I thought this was about economic hardship in the 2000's...
I thought so, too. Honestly, it would be a lot more interesting to me to see that.
Same
lmao thats what I thought
I’ve always been an IH fan. But to be honest, I’m a tractor fan. No matter what grandpa drove and you became addicted to, all the manufacturers put out good products. And some bad. I wish all the companies were still around. AC, Oliver, MM, Case. I’m sure when Massey built these, the 24 speed was built with the best intentions. They thought the Big V 8 was going to be trouble free. But I can make a list here of problems from all of them, even my beloved IH. I miss the days of all these brands.
Back then they were all experimenting their own designs and had different options for different needs. Now they all just wait until a patent is expired and copy each other.
Same Here...
I’m not even a blue blood but shit the story of Ford on top of the world to the brand now known as New Holland is a damn shame I’ll never understand. Ford tractors were lighter, stronger, and more fuel efficient than everything else back then and they sold off the agri business just like that. The old Ford machines are timeless man damn shame that is.
It's too bad... The Ford 8000 and 9000 series tractors were powerhouses that were an even match to the IHs, JDs, and others in the 70s..
They weren’t matched really. JD was a versatile brand back then and could supply every farmer even from the niche corners of agriculture but they were lacking strength for engine size and were heavy on the fuel. In Europe the Case tractors from the Neuss factory in Germany were the only ones matching Ford in those days. Fendt was making massive steps and in the 80’s were catching up quickly, but Ford was unmatched only Massey managed to come close late 80’s.
Oh shit I only just realized a forgotten giant in Europe back then, Renault was GIGANTIC in the late 80’s and throughout the 90’s. Extremely solid machines, would start in freezing temp within 5 secs and leading the field in curb weight. Talk about a ghost story back then Ford and Renault made up just about 90% of the contracting fleet in the Netherlands. Come 2020 both brands are as good as dead. Damn shame. Remembering Renault just now that takes me back the orange tractor back then was everywhere and for good reason. Just about the same sad story as Ford for the French manufacturing giant.
Nowadays in Europe it’s all about Fendt, and rightfully so. They’re doing everything right and have the support system to back it up. You can’t go wrong with Fendt honestly.
2000 series were one of best general purpose tractors ever. Simple, rugged, not a pain to fix compared to some others. And a good size that wasn't too big or too small.
NZ fruit man,smaller tractors without computers!.
Love These Old Tractors! Best cab ever!
The worlds most powerful greenhouse. Like a bug under a magnifying glass.
@@ivanmollet2491
Need the AC working or the door off in the summer. My 2675 has the best AC.
@@costleyfarm about 6 updates since new to the 2745 ac, above 90 the best you get is a small pocket of air. When we used it for cultivating had to build an external sun visor just to sorta keep up. The only thing positive about the cab design is the heater is either redundant or for night use.
@@ivanmollet2491
I guess we don't see things the same.
I have a 3000 series Massey Ferguson a 1990 3070 I really like the cab that it has , it roomy and quite and good quality.
Great video I had a MF2775 it was a beast
I've always been a IH fan but when I was a little boy I was looking on youtube and I saw a video of a massey ferguson 2705 raking hay and when that engine started I fell in love. I'm now a IH, Ford, and Massey Ferguson fan
Tengo un 2705 en México y son buenos y económicos palabras diesel
Das waren tolle Traktoren ❗❗❗
Nice !
We farmed with a couple of tractors from this series when they were brand new back in the early 1980's. In most ways, I loved driving them. Big improvement in drive-ability over the previous Massey Ferguson series, especially in regards to gear changing. I had mixed feelings about the cab. It was easier to get in and out of than previous cabs, and had better visibility than previous designs. However, I've never been a big fan of the "cab forward" design, even though most other brands have since then adopted that design. With the cab forward design, over rough terrain you do a lot more bouncing in the seat because the driver is located further forward from the "pivot point" which is the rear axle. As the front end goes up and then drops, so does the driver. In older models, with the driver located directly above the rear axle, when the front end would go up and then drop, the driver just "rotates" a little over the rear axle, and that makes for a smother ride. Also, even though visibility is better in the 2000 series, I never really had a visibility problem with previous "non-cab forward" models. The big drawback to this series was reliability, especially with the transmissions. The easier-to-shift transmission of the 2000 series proved to be much less reliable than the transmissions of previous Massey Ferguson models, which were more difficult to shift but very rugged. Some of the problems stemmed from the way the driver shifted the gears. If you waited for the gears to stop spinning before shifting, it wasn't so bad. But many drivers would shift too soon, and "force" the gear in, grinding the gears a little in the process. That bad habit would soon lead to transmission failure. The V8 engines had a lot of "high end power" (horsepower at high RPM's), but not as much "low end power" (lugging ability at low RPM's), and they seemed to burn significantly more fuel than similar sized turbo-charged straight 6 cylinder engines. And though Perkins diesel engines, in general, have a well deserved reputation for reliability, the Perkins V8 offerings of that era were not as reliable as some of their turbo charged 6 cylinder engines of that same era.
Straight up truth 🙂👍🏻
My 2805 was better on fuel than what my 4240 John Deere was !!
That V8 engine certainly had some low end power, don’t try to fool yourself on that one !!
The 8sp transmissions in those tractors were bullet proof, only the 24sp was garbage. Kinda like how John Deere’s power shift transmissions from that era were garbage too !!!
You get the 8sp transmission in a 2000 series Massey Ferguson, alone with getting the quad range transmission in the John Deere’s !!!
Aqui no Brasil tratores nesse padrão chegaram somente nos anos 2000
Aí já faziam tratores com boa tecnologia nos anos 70.
What about getting hood open? Like alone? You have to lift it over the exhaust pipe. And gearbox, hydraulic, steering, brakes, differential have only one filter.
I have a 2705 and if you don’t beat the heck out of the 24 sp there good transmissions
Muito bom tractor😊😂❤
I would like to know who designed these tractors. They are Great!
What song is that at 1:29? I’d like to know where I can listen to it
These tractors are real beasts we’ve got a 2675 on our farm down under and I’ve seen other tractors in it’s series
Pity they ain’t making parts for em no more
Self made song I'm sure. There is another version on a different Massey video too.
Im going to upload the versions of the songs, I know the song by heart, before the entered Agco, MF had the concept of their own theme song, and this is one of versions.
@@nikerailfanningttm9046 did you ever get anywhere with that?
What’s the name of the song in the beginning?
They where good tractor s
The Caps are good!
Well, I'm sold where do I get one?
Probably at an auction or a massey dealer that has some old massey equipment
Mans chopping with duals. risky
Farmer Tyler and why is that ? Just asking,,,
@@bustersmith5569 my best guess would be that with the extra width being so close to your crop, you might take some of the crop out on accident.
buster smith what @awstin c said
Brother has chopped with a dualed 1135 for years...just don’t turn right 😉😂
I have never understood why they put a V8 engine in basically anything that needs to lug down...it aint happening versus an inline 6
what does the song they play called
sad part the big perkins v8 was the best thing about the tractor.
Oh? why not? .. just look what we can do now ( OK , Soooh many years later ) 4cyl to around 150hp. Torque is what you get out of the gearbox rear end and as long as their is enough at the wheels or PTO shaft, shold not be a problem. Hve often heard in conversation that tractors ( & Cars) should have a sealed black box as power unit, sold to do a particular range of jobs. Ppl get so upset about "Figures" - too many revs, too many mph, etc without understanding the engineering behind it all. If it'll pull the Plow as I want it or power the Forager, etc - then that's all I want / need to know....
i don"t know I had a NA 1155 and it would pull anything i wanted it to.
Best thing you can do with a v8 diesel is keep the throttle up, and don't force the tractor to lug. As long as you do that they're great engines and will work great for you.
Rice Krispies! I've got a 690 Massey. I think they used the same body from 80's to 2000's. I think in the 4000'series they just added a couple of rods for extra support underneath the cab. Like damn pants suspenders, looks funny. Enginerding.
i never owned a 2000 series because of that problematic transmission. masseys I've owned were the 1155 100 and 2 1130's all solid runners
The 8sp transmissions on those tractors was a good transmission !! If you had 1 with the 8sp, well than you had a good tractor !!
muscle tractors!
John Deere had plenty enough trouble of their own to deal with over their raggedy ass power shift transmissions they had around that time period too !!!
My family had MF MM OLIVER WHITE VERSATILE and many short lines. Dad did ok for over 30 years. Then family got the JD franchise. Like day and night. I was out of the business but always talked to the guys. JD is so much better in design, parts, resale value, worth rebuilding, etc. JD sells itself. They put lots of their profit into research and development. The business did very well with Deere. Way less shop problems. Sorry, I liked MF but they blew it. Didn’t keep up with the times. MF did way better in other countries as MF was very good with smaller tractors.
QUE CHOU😊
That is some dry corn to be chopping
Ray Fart that's what most people do, or at least where I'm from.
And chopping with dauls too? Risky
@@farmertyler8087 Can I ask why that is risky chopping with duals?
Dwight L knock down the row with the tire
@@farmertyler8087 I wouldn't call that risky. It would appear by the traction conditions duals are the correct choice. Having only one set of duals on the out side would make it more difficult to control. Would be no different than cultivating driving wise.
My father was a mechanic for a MF dealership. Their were major problems with the 2805.
Transmission & Axle problems for starters.
It wasn’t just the 2805, it was every tractor in that series that had the 24sp transmission. All of the tractors that had the 8sp transmissions were damn good tractors !!
I’ve had numerous different Massey Ferguson tractors throughout the year. I can honestly say that I never once had any kind of axle problems with any of them !!!
@@bigbossman3987 - I can remember a farmer bought a 2805. The front axle broke. My dad seem to think the axle was too light for the weight it supported.
We still farm with a 2675
My hart is absolutely beating for US tractors-The Massey V8 tractors are "Prärie Gold" in my Eyes...Massey should go back to a V8 Line that's what I'm convinced of! AMERICA NEEDS BACK OLD SCHOOL POWER! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGIN!!!🇺🇸🖤♠️🎱💪👍🇺🇸
Massey was Canadian
@@wdwvideos270 those Massey V8 tractors have been built in the Staates🇺🇸🇺🇸That's a fact!!!
@@wdwvideos270 sure had a plant in Detroit years ago.
@@wdwvideos270 and Canada is part of the america's just like mexico , and numerous other countries are . Make america great again also means making the continent as a whole great again . Think 🤔 about it .
Only bad thing is they dont make parts for them anymore i love my old 2705 but agco sucks now not making transmission parts for them anymore
AGCO means Another Good Company Omitted
I’ve had god luck so far with my Allis 200 and D-19, I think a lot of it is was your local dealer a massey dealer? Ours was an Allis Dealer, and so they still seem to have parts or can get them. The other factor is the massey company in this video no longer exists. American massey died, what they sell now is a mix of European massey and legacy brands like Allis, white, and some massey. When your company takes over 6 old tractor brands it’s hard to keep parts for everyone
They don't even have shift forks available for 8000 series AC's anymore. There's a lot of good old tractors around from the 80's that do daily work.
AGCO doesn't care about all the previous companies that made them who they are now. I'm a Oliver fan, and they've discontinued a lot of parts for them over the recent years. They only care about new stuff and what sells. No support for the old tractors
@@dougschmitii6165 been around deere forever, but Oliver/ white stiil had the best idea for frame with the massive cast ironcradle
People, only the 24 sp power shift transmissions were bad. The 8sp transmissions held up extremely good !!
Mr Edwards sounds like a bit of a fruitcake lol
Not quite the same as my MF 7624 😜
@Acer Acres they have fendt transmissions. Other than that they are still Massey built in the Massey plants in France and USA. Not in the fendt plant in Germany
@Acer Acres the 7600, 7700, 8600, and 8700 series Massey tractors are the most fuel efficient tractors on the market, by a fairly large margin....
Only CVT models have Fendt transmissions. Dyna-4 and Dyna-6 are Massey transmissions. Those models are still 100% Massey, still loosely based on the 2000 series.
But she would never beat 6280
Acer Acres Massey, fendt, deutz caterpillar tractors are all AGCO now
Unfortunately, after dealing with numerous transmission failures in his Massey 2000 tractor, the farmer in this video went bankrupt. The tractor went no sale at the liquidation auction.
It all looks so quaint now. And not a woman in sight, except for the silent wife in the kitchen!
Acer Acres you’re lying. Nice try though.
Aces Acres. Did she let you take her to pound town in the milk parlor while the cows watched?
Acer Acres why don’t women wear watches ?
Cause there’s a clock on the stove!
bad transmissions
Only bad operators
The powershift was junk.
@@treverb3183 it couldn't handle the high horsepower units, the 2675 and 2705 for example were an awesome match - as long as you didn't drive it like an idiot
Agreed transmission was a problem with them. Other than that I really liked my 2705
Acer Acres you can’t say that massey’s are the only ones that are crap, and in fact they’re not. Every tractor has its problems, even IH’s and Deere’s