Super Best Friends Play: Silent Hill 2 COMPILATION
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2024
- Note: While I'm all about that SBFP Humor, In this LP, It was COMPLETELY Overshadowed by the Massive Amount of Interesting Bits & Pat actually breaking Things down behind Silent Hill, The Chaotic Rules behind it, and the Psyche of James & the Other Characters, not to mention the Amazing Game itself. So for that, I decided to make a Spoopy Compilation that is completely focused on this Fantastic Game, It's Story, It's Characters, and Most of It all being Explained by Pat, as I wholeheartedly think this is the Number One LP where Pat ever shined the Most. So yeah, There is your Typical SBFP Humor in there, but not alot, as the Story & The Game is the Main Focus here. And MAKE SURE YOU STICK AROUND TILL THE END FOR SOMETHING...SPECIAL...
Note #2: Would HIGHLY recommend watching at Night
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Intro Song: • Dragon Ball Z - Vegetu...
Sources:
Earnest Goes To Silent Hill: www.reddit.com...
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Mercury Rising Trailer: • Mercury Rising Officia...
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Pyramid Head Selfie: tio-trile.tumb...
So I just noticed almost every character in this game has blonde hair and kind of looks like james/mary aside from angela. Is it possible that james is projecting characteristics of himself onto these characters?
That is VERY quite possible. In fact now that you mention it, I think that’s even supposed to be the Implication, especially when all the Characters share some kind of Trait that James shares (I.e Eddie being a Selfish Pig, Maria being a Seductress etc) .
@@GSP413 but then Angela represents someone who was abused, only abuse I can think of is either what James did, or when Mary would always get mad at him, doesn't explain the whole dad situation though...
This is definitely a possibility.
Maria could have base blonde hair because she's supposed to be emulating a sexy version of Mary, or it could be James projecting himself onto Maria IF he treated Mary in ways that would be reflected in Maria's treatment of him, which is something we don't know.
Angela and Eddie are, assumedly, their own people who also got sucked into silent hill, and happened to cross paths with James. For Eddie, this fits. They're both male, similar age group, same crime of having killed something. It's possible James perceives Eddie as also being blonde because he partially sees himself in him. Angela obviously breaks this, being a woman, much younger, and although she's killed, it's pretty clear Silent Hill dragged her in to deal with the trauma of what happened *to* her, not for what she's done herself.
This theory is totes cool and interesting, I just think the cast isn't wide enough to build more evidence for it.
@@GSP413 So I just played this again recently and I've kind of come up with what I think is a new theory that I haven't seen around or discussed at all. The idea is basically that Maria, Lora and Eddie represent James' Ego, Id and Super Ego. Now, I'm sort of speaking outside my field here. I'm an author not a psychologist or anything like that. Also, I will mention that I feel like I'm projecting a bit myself, since I'm writing a book with a similar concept in mind. But I still feel like this theory is interesting. So all that aside though, in this theory I've come up with, I would say Eddie represents his Ego (James seeing himself as a fat disgusting pig bc of what he did), Maria represents his Id (Maria being everything James wants), and Lora represents his Super Ego (being that James knows that society views him as innocent, like a child). Along with all that, as for Angela, she represents the harsh reality james doesn't want to face. What I mean by that is, Angela is the quite literal representation of the fact that James wants to move on. But he knows that if he does, he will end up with someone that is just as damaged as he is.
@@GSP413 Also btw thank you for this comp. I've probably watched it like over 50 times and it's my all-time favorite. Like this video is practically a lullaby for me lol
In my restless dreams,
I still hear those shitlords.
Super Best Friends.
They promised me that they’d always be friends.
But then they broke it off...
I got a letter... the name on envelope said TBFP... those shitlords name... its ridiculous, it couldn't possibly be true.. a dead channel cant write a letter.
Man, a year later I STILL do
😢
@@ThatWeirdGuyFromWork Try 4 years later...
There was a friendship here....
*its gone now....*
You bastard
On a lighter note, I’m glad that Woolie and Pat are still friends and doing LPs together like the RE2 LP on Woolie’s channel
Funny enough, rewatching this, I feel like Matt was the wrong choice as a partner for this LP. This is the one time I wish Woolie had an interest in Survival Horror. Feels like he could appreciate this
breaks my heart, first October in years there has not been a shitstorm marathon :(
Cole McDew oh man, if that’s true I hope they do more discussion of bible stories and Jojo content, because that’s what I was gonna miss the most.
Crazy Talk in full force at the start of the game. When Pat says James doesn't talk in the washroom, he IMMEDIATELY TALKS.
"Its subtle"
Says Pat while James fights his wife which died of cancer on a flying bed shooting bats.
if only James had combat rolls and z-targeting to add to the experience
"Its subtle"
As he said a minute before you deadass walk into a room with a giant mirror with a crazy person saying you're just like me look
@Heavy Metal Collector The Silent Hill games ARE extremely subtle in the sense of how many details you will miss at first. But I'd refer to them as abstract if anything.
Firstly, that's Maria, not Mary. Second, Mary didn't die of cancer; she died of a disease more closely resembling a pox or plague, likely the same one that's mentioned to have plagued the town once before in the historical society. The reason it's unnamed in the game isn't to avoid saying the word "cancer", but because Mary died of an unidentified illness that doctors couldn't treat. That's why her life expectancy was so ambiguous, and why the video tape is so important in the plot - that was literally showing when she became infected and the first signs of her illness manifesting after spending the day at the lake. Lastly, those are not bats, but butterflies or moths, representing metamorphosis. In the process of metamorphosis, the caterpillar liquifies and is reformed. All butterflies remember being caterpillars, but caterpillars effectively die and are reborn as butterflies. This change is reflected in Maria, who can remember being Mary, but is not her. Mary died and was reborn as Maria as punishment for James.
So, yeah, subtle.
@@CosmicWaltz7 to be fair. In the Maria ending it is possibly Mary. As for your other observations, I agree.
"I don't wanna GO FOR any of the endings."
*Deliberately gets In Water*
You did what I wish a lot of LP compilationists understood: sometimes we want to experience both the story and the laughs.
Well done, lad.
@@saladoc compilation helps cut out the irrelevant parts of the LP where they run around for an hour missing the puzzle, also cuts down on time spent watching the LP
@Iroquois Plisken it's kinda simple. it's a best part compilation of their gameplay, yet it shows cutscenes when they're not talking, so not really the best parts of their game, just..more so the best parts of sh2 with people chatting now and then.
Crazy Talk activated twice in a row, effectively trapping Pat in an infinite loop of lies. First he said he wasn't going to talk through Cutscenes. This immediately became a lie, and Matt and Pat both were unable to shut up. "It's okay, I know which cutscenes are silent and which ones are voiced. This one's silent." *MAIN CHARACTER STARTS TALKING IMMEDIATELY*
Always found it wild that at the beginning the radio deadass says "James why did you kill me?"
Like it ain't even that distorted but it's enough that you dont notice when you play. That's some bold shit.
Great comp btw
I didn't even know that
Holy shit you're right
To be fair it's hard to make out if you're not listening for it.
Even fully listening for it it's pretty hard to hear. Or it was for me anyway.
Dont hear it. She says James I'm here, come to me. Did that idea get confirmed anywhere?
Yknow, spookycookies did a decent job covering the best parts of the LP, but honestly the best parts of this LP to me were the parts where pat shared genuine knowledge and appreciation for a game he loves to death. Thank you, mister god saiyan prodigy, for compiling that.
That’s what separates this compilation from the others where it’s just the “funny” parts
@beef business what stuff was incorrect?
Pat's deep analytics of this game makes me both appreciative of how we had Silent Hill in our lives, and furious about how the Konami beast took it from us.
There was a franchise here, It's gone now...
I just played this again a couple of days ago. You're right, Konami's greed still burns me inside.
Silent Hill has been dead since like silent hill IV Konami didn’t take it from us it killed itself. It wasn’t til P.T dropped that people cared again.
We didn't get a good new game after 4. Shattered Memories was a complete remake, Homecoming was a mess, and Downpour was so nothing. And 4 itself wasn't great. Why should anybody have cared before PT?
GrantBrownDog but it may come back thanks to Kojima's company.
@@theavatar4668 You need to watch Eyepatch Wolf's video on SH3. He goes in depth over how Konami strong-armed Team Silent into changing what they intended to do with 3 and 4 (because Konami smelled a franchise), and how that contributed to Silent Hill meeting the terrible fate it did.
Pat sounded so invested throughout this playthrough. It was great.
For a few short days, Crazy Talk was completely overpowered.
I loved his explaination of enemies
yup
1Way Road well....one of them has to.
“Cue the Korn?” made me laugh my ass off while I was shedding tears from that amazing delivery. Damn it, Matt.
Pat: I don't wanna go for a specific ending. I wanna go for the ending that is appropriate.
Does a lot of "subtle" stuff that pretty much guarantees him over that specific ending.
Rohan Kishibe and 『Heaven's Door』 either that or this is the work of Crazy Talk
Well in either way, Pat wanted to get his true ending... funny enough it was the "Suicide" ending, so it's befitting of that ginger ball of fat :)
@@ButcherGod u gay?
@Orlando murillo Let me have ur number then bro
@@nefariouscritter2436 want my number.
I know the voice work of James gets a lot of stick but to me he sounds like someone who is truly emotionally numb and exhausted of it all :) it fits that he can be monotone most of the time.
He went through a divorce and used that to help. Great voice actors throw some of their own emotions into it.
His voice reminds me of mine when I'm depressed. I resonated with it immediately
To me it just sounds like someone who is reading a script. Weirdly stilted and robotic. I don't believe it for a second
@@chiyo-chanholocaust8143 you wouldn't care if that was on purpose? Silent hill 2 is a weird ass game, afterall
@@anthonyf616 dude, sounding weird is one thing, sounding like a person reading a script...unless SH2 is some sort of post-modern meta-narrative and the intent is to pull my attention to the fact is a fictional story all along, which if I'm not wrong is not the point of SH2 at all. It's about this dude with a mortally sick wife and his feelings of guilt, sexual frustration, circumsion etc etc
It's time like these that reminds me that Pat is a Psych Major.
Why did you think he wanted to make a serious LP of this with little jokes and more insight?
Its the game that's well known for being subtle and symbolic so he gets to feel smart because he likes and knows that stuff about SH2.
@TheVoiceOfTruth Kindly, elucidate me as to why it's a joke major and easy. I'm guessing you think you understand people?
@@lovetentacruel494 Anyone who calles himself "ThEvOiCeOfTrUtH" CLEARLY knows what's up
@@TwoTwig Very true, it just screams narcissistic qualities.
@@lovetentacruel494 It's one of the common misconceptions when it comes to Psychology or Philosophy or any other major that deals in near unanswerable questions. The 100 and 200 classes are centered on teaching you how to think when engaging in the field, rather than on finding the "correct" solution, which makes them appear easy. Since there's no right answer, you can say pretty much anything. But once you move out of those entry-level courses... there may not be a "correct" answer, but there's plenty of wrong ones.
I know a lot of people who took those early classes and got the wrong idea, only to be crushed by later expectations. You've gotta be pretty damned smart to navigate the minefield that is theoretical academia.
Pats crazy talk is really astounding!
"I know the cutscenes in which he talks. This is one of the cutscenes where he doesn't talk."
*James immediately starts talking*
".....except for this."
This was the first LP I ever saw from these guys. I was living with someone who had a copy, but PS2 games didn't work on the PS4 he just got. So I was itching to play, but I couldn't. So I looked for an LP, and this was the first one I investigated. I was totally hooked when this happened:
"Can we git da Dawg ending?"
"No."
"DAMMIT!"
It was the first taste of all that was to come.
I like the interpretation that Maria already existed in Silent Hill, but was just repurposed by the town to use on James
Born from a wish side story sort of answers this, it's a good playthrough and a good read on the SH wiki.
BFAW suggests Maria doesnt remember who she is or how she came to be in silent hill, but remembers things like the strip club.
@@NateVHVT i believe she is real based on a poster thing in sh3. She must been a real character but due to a lack of her own past memories, purpose, and will to live, the town took control of her repurpose to become James' ideal woman. Also Mary's will seem to influence Maria via attraction for James and desire to protect Laura. When she was killed during that elevator sequence, her physical existence as well as her own will is distinguished leaving what silent hill repurpose her to torture James.
They say the Mary voice actress, when she was reading the letter, she was actually crying.
I'll always thank the Best Friends for really getting me into Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Yakuza, and Metal Wolf Chaos.
There was a friendship here... it's gone now. :(
The Dog ending makes so much sense if Eddy got it.
This is actually a really good comp. Like it captures the reverance for the game while still keeping it entertaining
Haha, its kinda obvious how Pat loves this game because he feels like his psych major is of some use.
Also, while it is great that they respect the cutscenes enough to not talk over it, there's just that hint of emptiness because you know the moment that Angela introduction happened they wanted to laugh or make tons of jokes.
2:14:26 pat forgot a key detail. all the way at the begining, in the graveyard, Angela mentions that she thought she'd find her father and brother "here, too..."
now sure, maybe she just meant in Silent Hill in general. or maybe she meant that spot. the cemetery. where all of her dead relatives ares supposed to be.
Heisenbrrg I see it more as a symbol that she’s constantly in a “living hell” because of her abuse and past which have given her several mental health problems, including being suicidal. She says “it’s always like this for me”. She finally gives in to her thoughts when she walks into the fire.
Good bye friends
Tofrosty 777 So much
I keep expecting to see a new video pop up. Gonna be weeks before the disappointment fades...
I DON'T WANT 3 CHRISTMASES!
Matt and Pat not being friends is what hurts the most. For an introverted weirdo like myself with very few "real" friends, they made me less lonely and a bit less of a loser and knowing these goofy fuckers were gonna be around made me, just, happier
Nooo. Dont say it. I want to cry lol
@Tofrosty 777 yeah. I teared up :(
In my restless dreams, I see that playthrough. Silent hill 2.
Man, it was amazing how Pat's explanations of how Silent Hill is a normal town to everyone but the people that get pulled into its supernatural counterparts managed to go in one of Matt's ears and out the other. Every SH game had him ask the same question of why anyone would go there
The way eddie says "yeah" is still the best thing ever
Crazy talk! The SH1 monsters ABSOLUTELY had the psychological bend. That game is about the fear of losing your child. To that end, the monsters all represent loss of innocence in different forms. They're projections of Alessa's childlike fears, but remember that Harry is fearing for his child, not himself. The monsters are just as much his as Alessa's, just not literally within the plot.
Nobody Special Y’know what? Good Point Dude. Never looked at it like that.
Thanks, I only noticed it very recently.
Sorry to be, "that guy", but, They're actually just Alessa's. Because she is psychic and inhabited by a demon, her powers are turned demonic, they increase and project on to the town, which is stated to have it's own spiritual power. This is why you see haunting hospital imagery like demon nurses, wheelchairs, roaches and bloody rooms. Because she is an immoble burn victim locked in the basement of a hospital being looked after by Lisa, a nurse who is repulsed by her. She is constantly being gnawed at by bugs and bleeding through her bandages. Lisa says this in the tape you find of her. You why you see projected images of Alessa before her Burns, before you fight the first boos of the gsme. You fight a giant caterpillar and moth, because Alessa collected them as a child. Alessa's mind is being projected onto the town. Not Harry's. That internal psychological take on Silent Hill starts with this game. Although it's fine to read more into it I guess.
@@johntrains1317 I understand the plot. You don't understand the symbolism beyond the literal, in-game explanations for the monsters. SYMBOLICALLY, Alessa represents everything Harry fears for Cheryl, being the ultimate product of abuse and poor parenting (and literally looking like an older, fucked up Cheryl). The birthing ritual and Alessa's injuries represent the agony of the childbirth. The monsters represent loss of innocence in different forms, bullies, corrupted guardians, childish things like butterflies turned monstrous, etc. The whole game is literally about a cult, but symbolically, it's about Harry's fear of Cheryl growing up, losing her innocence, giving birth and ultimately dying. That's why his goal is to stop Cheryl "becoming one" with Alessa, that's why every adult character is a guardian figure (representing different forms of parenting), that's why every location can be associated with childhood/childhood trauma. I could write pages but I've already gone way too long. SH 1 & 3 are about a LOT more than people give them credit for. SH2 is basically a guide that teaches you how to interpret them. How do the characters relate to the protagonist? How do the locations relate to them? What could these events be telling us about our protagonist? It's all there, it's just not written in flavour text.
@@nobodyspecial675 lol okay guy. What you're talking about is introspective projections into the source material that you feel is there, and having an opinion is fine. But I'm talking about cannon, not opinion, fact. And easily provable if you check out any of the cannon sources. Specifically Team silent. But no, random idiot Nobodyspecial knows the truth lol. You're so deep and smart. Feel better?
who ever did the VA work for Eddie is way to good at the vomit sounds.
Apparently it was way worse (as in way more volatile and convincing) on the first take, and the crew was unsure if they should reshoot it or put it in. Right before the sounds were going to be implemented, the studio lost power and the audio was lost. They took it as a sign to tone it down on the reshoot.
@@chertikinamoto literally mentioned in the video if you would of just listened before typing...
@@jellyfishtrifle7883 I mean... some people dont watch, listen or "hear" the whole video. Either way it's fine that he shared some info on a comment form for someone else to read ahead of the video. 👍
Pat truly highlighted the beauty and depth of this game, its symbology, and gave the game the respect it deserves.
He made it shine so much you could eat it off James' face. Of all the LPs they have done, this is the best, imo.
I have rewatched this LP close to probably 500 times over the course of 5 years. It helps me sleep. I miss them.
Thankyou God Saiyan and thankyou SBF.
Monsters?... they look like monsters to you?
The real monsters were the friends we made along the way...
Possibly my favorite line from Silent Hill 3.
“Friends? They look like friends to you...?”
-time Traveller, probably
Dog ending is the only ending that matters
Dog is getting some serious revenge on Eddie.
[Nearly 4 hour comp by GSP]
His power is rising! Overflowing!
his power level is maximum!!
Two Best Friends,
You made me happy.
THIS. GAME. RIPS. MY. HEART. OUT.
3:19:39 Matt....ya better put up or shut up, because I’ve never played a single Silent Hill, and have zero nostalgia for this franchise; that performance was stellar, and I almost fucking cried. It’s a scene that’s helped by the way it sounds genuine and real. It doesn’t feel like “ACT-ING!”. Plus, Pat said the best HE ever heard. He didn’t do hyperbolic Pat, he said it’s the best he’s ever heard (something Matt calls Pat out on multiple times when someone makes a personal statement). Know what? Matt, you’re fucking grounded. No teletoon, or whatever Canadians have, for a week.
[Edit 2019]: Or forever, fuck. Really wish Woolie was the one on this LP, after rewatching it. It’s funny, Matt makes jokes about Pat being the one without a heart and such because it fit the narrative of Pat being the angry one with no soul. But the dude clearly has emotions, and wears them on his sleeve for the most part. Walking Dead game where he’s crying and Matt says eh I cry during movies dude. This where Pat can’t even say HE FEELS that’s the best acting in a game HE’S HEARD. Shadow of the Colossus where Woolie and Pat can relate to a certain moment as Pat cries a little. It’s like the complete opposite. I’m sure Matt is a sweet dude in real life, but entertainment-wise he just became the one that resonated with me the least. Glad Pat and Woolie are still interacting and making content together.
[Edit 2022]: And behold! Woolie thought the performance was stellar too! It should’ve been Pat and WOOLIE THE WHOLE TIME! We were robbed! Shoutout to Reggie though! The best timeline would’ve been Woolie, Pat, and Reggie! And OCCASIONAL PAIGE GUEST CAMEO! But Matt’s dismissal of Pat’s opinion here was so dickish. Obviously Pat was dickish too, whether as a bit or intentionally, especially early on. But we see him get better, less hyperbolic, and more considerate of people’s feeling and opinions. Rather we see him be more open with that part of himself. I’m not saying MATT’S the villain! I just lament the LP we could’ve had with Oat and Woolie where they would’ve had a more in-depth discussion, especially with their humor having more compatibility. While they weren’t LPs I particularly wanted to watch, as it wasn’t interaction I gravitated more to, it’s clear Liam and Matt overlap better too. The alternate timeline….BUT we have a Married Pat and Paige in a different location, hopefully much more happy, Woolie with his channel doing his thing with his bud Reggie, and Matt doing his thing. Hard to want an alternate timeline when it was thins falling into place as they have that led these guys to where they are now.
Pat grew a lot over the first few years. He turned himself into a outwardly empathetic person with intent to fix his boisterous, angry behavior. Matt has just stagnated by continuing with his boyish, interjecting ways. It's hard to be sympathetic to a person like that. That, infact, is what I believe started the erosion of the friendship.
Couple that with money management, work schedule management, and the arguments that must've happened about which games to post and LP you can see why it fell apart. Two okay friends, like themselves, could never sustain a friendship with such extended interaction on a daily basis. Woolie puts up with Matt's shit Pat will bite his tongue but his resentment will fester. Woolie and pat are best friends; Liam and Matt are best friends in regards to the zaibatsu.
Pat's a pretty emotional dude and has cried at other games too, like the ending of Yakuza 6 which he played on Twitch. Even though no one ever really came out and said it, you can definitely tell Matt was most likely responsible for the Zaibatsu breaking up.
I don't know why but Matt ALWAYS loves to go for the unpopular opinions: Game looks terrible, Pat says it's awful but Matt says it's not bad, The game is amazing, Pat says it's amazing but Matt says it wasn't that good, hell he sometimes defended RIDE TO HELL.
@@scottjefferson4048 now i know that’s a lie, I don’t remember Matt ever defending ride to hell, he said there were good things, like the music, but that’s about it.
@@joescannoli7660 i remember well every single time pat said that the aiming, AI, combat, animations, etc. Matt ALWAYS defended it saying things like "its not so bad, its not terrible, i dont know" when it was THAT bad.
Remember when Guy cihi was on the podcast after pat accused him of being a bad voice actor and a terrible person and pat was the most non-talkative person on the face of the planet which was the birth of crazytalk?
Darrian Weathington I think he was even fanboying out a little if I remember correctly lol
God Saiyan Prodigy yes, which is weird when you think about it. Marking out because the voice from his favorite game is on his podcast but simultaneously shitting himself because for like 15 years he's been telling people that, that voice actor is a boring, terrible, un-energetic person, and he couldn't be more wrong.
Gorse Aurn Podcast 81 dude
What are you talking about? Pat was the most talkative of the guys. Liam didnt say anything to Guy directly, and woolie only spoke a bit, but matt and pat stayed chit chatting with him. If its true that he was talking shit about Guy that fucking sucks, though. The only thing I've heard negative about him was that he indulged in conspiracy theories. That's not enough to make me dislike someone
Remember how guy cihi thinks 5g is poison
There were best friends here, it's gone now
So I’m not sure if this is a subtle hint or if I’m digging into it too far, but when James kills Eddie he doesn’t get sick. Eddie is clearly a killer yes, but after his first murder of another human is Silent Hill he gets violently ill. Angela becomes ill as well after we hear about the death of her father and we assume she killed him. James however does not get sick after killing Eddie. Is this an intentional hint that James killed his wife or am I misconstruing something here?
Most likely considering some of the endings
James did kill his wife. Not out of hatred or anything but because she was suffering
@@CrazyHunterXIII and that's the thing it's left up to the player to figure out whether James killed her because he wanted her to stop suffering or because he was fed up with the stuff Mary was saying while sick.
I feel as though there's a Strong Difference between Killing a Lunatic who Killed a Dog and shot a man in his Kneecaps than Killing a Person out of Mercy because they are Suffering. Hotline Miami has given me an idea that a Person has to be Psychologically Prepared or Predetermined to do so by way of the Main Guy Killing a member of the Russian Mafia and Homeless Person. He enjoyed Killing the Mafia Member for Psychological Reasons that are discovered later on, but Throws Up when killing a Homeless Person because it was Inherently Wrong to Him. I think James had a very hard time after killing Mary because, despite doing so, he didn't really want to and obviously wasn't prepared as indicated by the Memory of him killing her is repressed severely. Killing Eddie wasn't as Much of a Problem because, In my Mind, James believes that Eddie became just another Monster created by Silent Hill. While James is remorseful about Killing Eddie, it likely has to do with that fact that he was still Human in Appearance and thus James believed he could still be saved despite the Insanity and Delusion Eddie was afflicted with much like how James feels Angela could be Saved from her own Trauma.
My god you're sharp. I never noticed that
Also there was a painting in the prison showing the hotel on fire. It may have been the hotel was never repaired, and James only saw it for what he remembered. Once his psychosis breaks from learning he killed Mary, the hotel’s true appearance is revealed to him.
I believe the director of SH2 said eddy has never killed a human. He shot his bully's dog, then shot his bully in the leg, then ran away until he reached Silent Hill.
Woolie isn't blind, he probably has 20/20. He just can't read.
James: "sometimes in a closet, sometimes in the hall but always dressed up as superman."
{{{SPOILERS, EVEN THO YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY FINISHED THE GAME BUT WHATEV}}}
I always saw Pyramid Head as the metaphor/symbolism of James journey. In his first encounter, i see him as trying to force the mannequins (sexual thoughts/urges) down the sink, down the drain and since PH is James guilt he is using his guilt and commitment to Mary to surpress those urges.
Then at the second encounter he is actually assaulting a mannequin, succumbing to the urges, and in this fight is when he starts using the knife, the massive burden that keeps him from living his life, the commitment to Mary, to take care of her and be loyal/faithful.
Then in the corridor, PH kills Maria, the new Mary, James new chance... And/or it could also mean when James kills Mary out of guilt, stress and mercy; either way, this is when PH stops using the knife, and then James can aquire it himself, he takes the burden for himself, he has to carry it himself, the weight of killing his wife and/or ruining every other chance he could have in the future with anyone symbolized by how PH kills Maria with the knife.
Then in the last fight, two PH appear, James guilt and need for judgment is so big it mannifests in two and kills again Maria for the same reasons, James just can't move on from Mary... But he accepts it in the end and decides to live with it, therefore the two Pyramid Head kill themselves with their own weapon.
God, this game is the best
The abstract daddy is so disturbing that I am kinda shocked they kept it in the game
i know right omg its so shocking once you realize what it is. even the environment is some of the most disturbing imagery i’ve seen especially in a game
Liam has NBA, Woolie has XCOM, Matt has the entire Machinima series, but this is Pat's magnum opus.
Silent Hill has 5 hospitals and 3 insane asylums.
@N M that's Shepards Glen
I still love listening to Pat's serious voice in this LP (and kind of 3 and 1?) and then you listen to him in Downcoming and hearing his goofy mumbly voice, that will always be my favorite thing tbh
I still keep watching this video every now and then. We shouldn't lament what once was, but live in thankfulness they were there to talk about this great game. This is a time capsule worth preserving til the end of time.
The chick is in the backseat of the car and in the mirror, James is looking at the player directly in the mirror. Those two things kill me. Past that, I love how nostalgia is the real catalyst for the emotions. As I get older, I get that.
This is my first experience with Silent Hill 2 and I gotta theorize right away. I find it really interesting that the original letter fades away, and another letter is shown in the ending. What if the first letter was part of the Silent Hill delusion, and the ending letter was the one James really got? I mean the reason he killed Mary was that she verbally abused him, and was fading away in a hospital. In the letter she both apologizes and plans on coming home, but he must've got it right after murdering her. And facing the fact that he destroyed his only chance to see Mary on her feet again was probably too much, so he began repressing his memory. At least it explains how he got the "3 years" figure so wrong. Does that mean Silent Hill was trying to help him..?
I see Silent Hill as neither good nor bad, only a journey for people who have committed horrible acts to either accept themselves with their mistakes or lose themselves in the town, like Angela.
Silent Hill guides them to the way out of their trauma whether or not they take it is up to them. Mary was diagnosed to live three years after getting her disease. For James in retrospect that was when she was dead to him. James killed her a day before he went to the town.
This channel is full of Omikron! How can you just sit there and make compilations?
Cage said he was fine, and to judge him by his work!
Is it really such a sin to run instead of fight?
Omikron? They look like Omikron to you?
This reminds me so much of my first play through of SH2. Just me, my best friend, and long silences after each cut scenes. The ending of this game, any ending, still gets me.
Jesus Christ. I'm not emotional as a gamer at all. I usually can keep a good distance between me and the protagonist. But I get teary Everytime I hear Mary beg for James to come back. I don't know what it is. The despiration, the regret. It's just so beautifully acted.
There was a channel here, it's gone now
a little behind, but wanted to mention that examining Angela's knife repeatedly changes your ending. it reflects how frequently you consider killing yourself during the game
And James intended on going to Silent Hill to kill himself, so it makes sense that he would do that.
i appreciate you putting together this more serious compilation - goofs are great, but a game like this deserves analysis, and it's rly nice having all of Pat's thoughts and knowledge in one place. not only is the game fascinating, but his input is too.
also is it weird that i can sit through all the horror, monsters, gore, sexual violence, and anxiety-inducing atmosphere this game has to offer with no problem, but as soon as Eddie starts puking i have to skip the next five minutes?? lmao
It only just occurred to me that the street signs Pat mentions for Brahms and Old Silent Hill might just be missing a decimal point. It makes way more sense for "the other side of town" to be 5.0 miles away, and "the next town over" to be 26.0 miles away.
It’s awesome that you put both story and goofs in here. Thanks for uploading man, this is one of the better compilations I’ve seen.
This is the best LP I've ever watched on UA-cam. Goodbye best friends, I will miss you.
This was honestly one of my favorite LPs on the entire sbfp channel just due to Pat explaining things and how genuinely interesting all of it was.
Looking back at the Born from a Wish part...The Maria in the main game that's lying on the bed shot in the head could be a version of her if she chose not to throw the gun. Because James(in the endings where he loves Mary) wants nothing to do with her, her entire reasoning for not pulling the trigger goes away so Silent Hill could've shown that as like "Oh you don't want her? Then check out the alternative." After that she begins the full on transformation into Mary.
Laura has no horrible life traumas? Both of her parents have died before she turned 8..I think its more about her innocence. Not that nothing traumatic has happened but that she has nothing to feel guilty for. James smothered Mary. Eddie killed a dog and shot the owner in the leg and maimed but didn't kill him. Angela has ALL types of guilt and self-loathing involved with being sexually and physically abused from a young age. Angela killed her father (if anyone had it coming it was him of all the people) but it is DEFINITELY still a source of guilt for her and probably never brought her the closure and, especially, never brought her the justice she needed done for his abuse. Having had it made public what kid of monster he was and had him be arrested and shamed publicly for what he did and then did her best to work through this hellish nightmare in a positive and therapeutic manner would have brought her alot more peace. Hers is probably the hardest situation in which to act 100% correctly and righteously in due to the amount of damage done to her and its affect on her malformed psyche. Laura never seriously hurt anyone, like you said, she locked someone in an "empty" room and has no guilt about there being monsters in it because to her there are none. She kicked a key... That james needed to escape the monsters that Laura cannot see. Laura loved Mary, because she was a mother figure after Laura's parents died tragically. But Laura was in NO WAY responsible unlike both James and Angela who were partly responsible for reacting badly to bad circumstances and fully responsible for carrying out the physical attack that killed his wife and her father.
So I would say Guilt is a huge dictator of monsters. Not so much trauma or Laura would see them too for surely the death of both of her parents was beyond traumatic for her. Baggage includes the sadness of loss and things beyond your fault or control, even if they feel completely unfair and wrong. And those things do not create monsters in the psyche of those who enter Silent Hill, so it seems.
Spot on, dude
@@GSP413 Thanks brotha, love the content! Glad I found your channel you've guys got going.
So I guess eddies monsters are weird fat stomached dogs and monster guys with like...berzerk demons for legs
If guilt is a huge factor for monsters, I wonder how my silent hill would be. I’m extremely prone to guilt and anxiety, even over the smallest or stupidest things. Logically, I know it’s just my bad brain chemistry, but the nature of my condition means I still fret over it to the point of panic attacks, no matter how illogical I know it is. I wonder if Silent Hill would reject me because it knows my guilt is illogical, or if it just feeds off negative emotions and would draw me in anyway.
@@chertikinamoto It does seem like a ethereal force that forces its visitors to either defeat their “monsters” by accepting and overcoming their guilt and thus growing as a person, or be consumed by their monsters as they let their guilt completely overtake them, unable to either accept their past nor grow to become more than the “metaphorical monster” they saw themselves as. Silent Hill is an internal mirror, while Laura’s parents were dead, she still acted like a carefree, innocent child that likes to play practical jokes as the closest thing to a vice she has.. and even then, she doesn’t see monsters in the town, so she wouldn’t feel guilt for locking James in a room with monsters in it because Laura doesn’t see or believe there are monsters.
But looking at the different character endings for Npcs like Eddie and the many game endings for James there is a lot of information.
1) The bittersweet ending surviving with Maria sees Maria coughing and implied to be sick with the same disease Mary had. James had not overcome his guilt for giving priority to his Lust and wanting to do the horizontal shuffle with Mary but Mary was just too sick. He overcame a lot of guilt in this ending, but continued to prioritize lust so unabashedly that he started a relationship with his Wife’s doppelgänger. Maria looked just like his wife when she was healthy, but also a hyper sexual version of her. He did not overcome his guilt nor his immorality in which he placed his libido above the life and death needs of Mary, as well as ignoring her pain, illness, even her survival. And it’s implied that he is leaving with Maria, a creation of Silent Hill like the monsters were, to fulfill his primal desire and his lust. And in his selfish pursuit list, and his denial to grow as a person, he is damned to start the cycle again, gratify his lust, fall in love with Maria as if she was the real Mary, then watch the disease ravage her, leave her bedridden and frail, denying James the sexual gratification he demands and treats as more important than life or death. James clung to the past with Mary before she was sick, wanting to relive those times, but destined to relive her illness as well. He might have grown a bit, but he missed the forest for the trees and is condemned to purgatory reliving the same tragic fate that broke him as a man all those years ago.
2) Eddie refuses to break his cycle, too. He is unable to overcome the abuse he took from bullies, to acknowledge that bullying is an objectively wrong reaction to inner turmoil or other intensely negative triggers. When you are bullied, you end up becoming one of two things. You either refuse to ever be like the person who hurt you so as to never hurt anyone like you were hurt , or you end up becoming the bully forcing people to suffer the pain you did for self gratification. Eddie chose to become the bully, and when he found guns, that pushed him to become a worse monster who didn’t just bully others like he was bullied, but to shoot and kill anyone who he sees as bullying him even if they are trying to help him. Eddie became a monster himself.
3) Angela is another great example of being engulfed and completely overcome and defeated by her past trauma and the guilt she felt, often for things she shouldn’t feel guilty for. This reminds me of you Chertikinamoto. The last we see her, Angela is walking up the stairs of a burning building completely engulfed in flames, and she walks straight into those flames. While Angela’s story is tragic, it was her excess wallowing, self-defeating surrender to the memories of her past that lead her to end her life. She never stopped thinking of self harm from the moment we met her until she dies. She could have walked down those symbolic stairs and away from her trauma to start healing and recovering from the symbolic burns she suffered at the hands of her truly evil family. She deserved to and should have walked out. Be she decided that her past of suffering is all that will ever define her personality and self, so she climbs deeper into the flames of it to be burnt alive.
4) James worst bad ending is the same as Angela’s ending; he is stood up by two pyramid heads who then place a pyramid helmet over top James’ head and he becomes the pyramid head, the ultimate personification of living guilt and torment that lives within his head unable to escape like there’s a geometric helmet around his head not letting anything out or anyone else in. He is consumed by guilt and becomes pyramid head, Angels consumed by guilt willingly burning herself in the flames of her past. She should have burnt away her memories, but she chose to burn them and herself away, forever trapping her in time with the family that destroyed her.
4) In the good ending, James confronts everything from his lust, his mercy killing of his wife was really just murder, attraction to nurses helping tend to his wife, his selfishness, etc. He confronts Maria and rejects a relationship with her moving forward . He knows she is not his wife and she’s not truly human. And in the end, he leaves Silent Hill with only one other person; Laura, the innocent young girl and he decides to live his life as a new man , he has overcome his demons, and once able to think clearly for the first time in a long time, he did what he knew was right; he rescued Laura from the hell’s cape of Silent Hill so she can live a real life again despite her past tragedies. He became a better person and his selfishness became selflessness as he didn’t lustfully bring Maria, he selflessly saved and committed to care for and protect Laura either temporarily or permanently, whatever necessary.
[spongebob narrator voice]: “10 years later”:
So to answer your question, yours would be most similar to Angela’s monsters, people who hurt you/her where you felt guilt despite you not needing to. Monsters would reflect the worst memories of situations where you feel guilty when you were the victim. They’d reflect muteness and feeling as though you were unable to truly speak from the heart with the confidence in yourself that you deserve. They’d reflect a feeling of drowning in helplessness, maybe monsters with no limbs and covered in slime that they use to move by wriggling forward like snails in reflection of you wanting to act one way but being hindered by feeling guilt over bad things you are innocent of and anxiety about things you have earned and you deserve and thus you should feel confident and proud and claim the things you have earned without a doubt.. but hindered by anxiety, you can feel stuck in one place, not loving forward out of anxiety over situations where there is nothing to fear: hence the limbs of the monster being amputated and the mouth sewn shut, while the monster accumulated so much toxic sludge that it is now using it to move.
I have anxiety as well, I hope you are moving forward and building yourself up and away from anxiety and not letting it trap you and hinder your life from being happy with all the things, people, etc, that you deserve in life.
Long post I know lol, I decided I might use it as a loose script for a YT video myself so I kept writing lol
Thank you for not involving the hangman "puzzle" where pat's mind automatically assumes its "pull all six in the right order" and not just "pull the right one"
My favorite room in the prison is the bathroom where some unseen monster falls off the toilet and subsequently invents the flux capacitor
I don’t know what it is about this particular compilation, whether it’s the music or the somber story beats or both but I find this incredibly relaxing.
This is one of my favorite Let's Plays on the channel. Pat getting to explain the lore of SH2 and Matt just joins along for the ride, while also making funny quips here and there.
I can't never have enough of watching and playing SH2,my favorite game of all times.
The feels everytime watching the intro,hearing Mary in that hallway,the ending,it's just so fuckin amazing.This game should be in a museum and experienced from everybody.
Feels good to see those creatures jumping out of no where on the streets again 😋❤
21:21 That sign in the window is a future hint of SH4. Devs had confirmed that one. Apparently, even before they finished making SH3, they've already started developing SH4, then code named "The Room." So in effect they were working on three different games, SH2, SH3 *AND* SH4, in progressively more preliminary form, respectively, simultaneously. Team Silent Alpha was finishing up SH2, Team Silent Bravo was midway on SH3, and the team comprising mostly of the apprentices and junior developers had started on SH4. The original Team Silent that was on SH1, largely broke up into the Alpha and Bravo teams. With a few original Lead members going onto other projects in and out of Konami.
There was a hole here.
It's gone now.
the creepiest thing about this LP is how they shut up during cutscenes, at the beginning I would get really freaked out thinking I had clicked a wrong video by accident or something like that
He has become Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Prodigy with this one.
Then I shall become a Super De-Duper Saiyan God Super Saiyan with 20x Kaioken and Ultra Instinct! Extra fries with extra dip!
Guy Cihi's performance in this game is so incredible, it's easily one of my favorites. I know a lot of people would disagree with me, but I love it.
Listening to Pat active Crazy Talk about not having kids and dying young is probably my favorite part.
Oh man Quiet Mountain 2 is such a great game
yea soundless elevation 2 is pretty cool
Soundproof height is damn amazing, the whole series
I commend you, after watching this and trying to watch someone else's SH3 compilation, no one holds a candle to this.
A Comp to go even further... BEYOND! Great work dude!
The Greatest Hits Compilation, I'm ready
I love that Pat genuinely thought that we didn't know that he was going for the "in water" ending
Yeah he wasn't fooling anyone who was remotely familiar with Silent Hill 2.
In my restless dreams
I see that channel
Super Best Friends Play...
You promised -nothing and delivered even less- that you would do another LP.
But you never did...
I loved this LP so much that after watching it i decided i had to experience for myself so i went out and bought a used ps2 and managed to find original copies of silent hill 2 and 3. Best investment i ever made, they're amazing games.
Props to Eddie's voice actor, his puking made me gag.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
I've listened to this lp so many times now because it brings me a sense of ease and comfort i cant really describe
BRO YES. I WAS JUST WATCHING YOUR BULLY COMP. BLESS YOU
I really enjoy when players actually do research and pay attention to the symbolization and then explain some things about the game throughout the LP ❤️
Best Friends…
You made me happy.
There will never be another game like this.
I love what you guys did here. You not only play the game, you also give history on it. I learned things I never knew and I'm a big fan of the series. Great job and thank you for this great video
1:11:55
...Well Pat DEFINITELY changed his mind about that over the years, apparently.
Ffs I can't unsee that pat face as grown up, cranky bobby hill.... why did someone have to mention it!?
after finishing call of cthulhu I'm convinced no one will make a survival horror game as good as Silent Hill 2 ever again
well jokes on pat now, he has a kid
Look at Pat getting a cheeky little examine in at 2:58:45 on the Knife hahaha he does it so quick but WE KNOW
also THE GAME
I like that Laura said she had to go get her letter, then James goes to get it instead.
1:55:05 why did Eddie sound just like Matt here? It’s amazing
“Just like that stupid dog”
Literally just making tons of shit up and presenting it as if it's canon. Lol. Priceless.
This compilation is better because Pat is so invested, Matt is attentive to the game, the game itself is just so good and its also really funny where as the other one just showed funnier bits.