The Most ABSURD Linguistics Theories (#1)
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Today marks the start of a new series where I take a look at bad (and often hilarious) research and explain its flaws. Episode #1 is about this guy I learned about a while back who claims "all European languages" come from Arabic... yeah.
Remember that I read all of your comments and reply to most, so feel free to leave your thoughts and suggestions down below!
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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:25 - The Paper
2:20 - English Pronouns
2:31 - Arabic Pronouns
7:34 - The Comparative Method
13:04 - Conclusion
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CORRECTIONS
• Piscēs is the Latin nominative plural form. The singular is Piscis, though the point with /p/ is still illustrated
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REFERENCES
• [The paper itself] - www.macrothink.org/journal/in...
• [Great video on Germanic and Romance languages] - • How do we determine wh...
• [Video on language change] - • Language Change and Hi... - Розваги
Gotta applaud this guy, "the following statement is true" is a level of boldness I've never seen in research papers
his confidence is so inspiring ngl
Bro really said
1- English words
2- Reduce to root word
3- ???????
4- Arabic (profit)
YES
Based 😎
I just want to gather all the “X is the mother of all languages” people (namely Sanskrit, Arabic, Tamil, Turkish) in a single room and have them duke it out over whose language is actually the mother of all languages
that would go hard
Sanskrit is the oldest tho
@@Volzotran Sanskrit is the oldest what?
The oldest language among Sanskrit, Arabic, Tamil and Turkish (the languages listed by OP)?
The oldest Indo-European language?
The oldest language over all?
@@Volzotran Well, for one, the oldest written language was Sumerian, so I can’t take your words for fact when there is no solid written evidence showing Sanskrit is the oldest language. Now for second, I get that the Vedas are old and stretch back before Sanskrit was written; that’s what I was told, at least. The first written evidence was around 1700-1200 BCE, and the oldest written evidence for Sanskrit is the Rigveda. Outside of the religious mindset, we can’t be sure how old it is, since, like I said before, it was around 1700-1200 BCE with Vedic Sanskrit when Sanskrit was first written. So personally, I take that Sanskrit is the oldest with a big tablespoon of salt.
Everyone knows it's Serbian....
every language is actually a corruption of toki pona
Which itself is the original language the world spoke before the aliens moved the Tower of Babel to Atlantis, which then was sunk in the Finno-Korean Hyperwar.
@@matt92hun oh hey 69 likes, thanks for replying just now to show the fruits of my journalistic labour
we made toki pona the toki bada
@@elsadmafioso all other languages are simply toki ike
I swear nationalism is written all over this.
Growing up in the Arab world I can tell you there are people who genuinely believe Arabic was the first language ever spoken, is a holy language that will be spoken in the afterlife blah blah blah.
Jassem actually describes himself as a "Syrian Arab national" so that checks out lol. He has over 40 papers on "The Arabic origins of x"
yeah, i was thinking this.
I have came across, Tamil and Sanskrit but Arabic is new to me. Other people claim Latin, but they are wayyyy less common.
The sanskrit "mother of all languages" people are the most annoying ij my experience, probably because there are just so many of them.
There's a ton of youtube channels about arabic that won't teach you anything except for how this or that coincidence proves the quran correct.
That journal is NOT considered a mainstream academic journal but rather a predatory "fake" one.
That's what it looked like lol yeah
a big misleading claim that's really prevalent in the arab world is that arabic is this "completely pure, most eloquent and the mother of all languages" and it's tiring to explain otherwise to every other person
Oddly enough its a claim that has been around in a lot of cultures. Europe for the longest time seen all languages to come from Aramaic or Hebrew due to its religious importance, and other cultures often saw their neighbours languages as impure offshoots of their own (which weirdly could be an attempt at understanding language drift, but that's just me speculating)
Ah, and same with Latin! Not every language is a Romance language, and surely no Romance language is a "corruption" or "deevolution" of some holy and ancient ideal. In spite of what I've heard, regrettably.
I've heard too many Albanians say that Shqiptarë is the proto-language of everything, and it really becomes just tiresome after a certain while
We have that phenomenon in Russia. Many Russians consider Russian to be literally the greatest language in the universe, the mother of all languages, the most expressive, the richest, the most beautiful etc. And everything else is a corruption of Russian. That's a common phenomenon in countries plagued with inferiority complex.
We have a similar idea in Romania. Some Romanians believe the Dacii(our ancient ancestors) were the founders of civilisation and the fathers of Europe. In reality we hadn't discovered agriculture until the Romans gave it to us
5:53 Hold on, what? Hallelujah actually is a loan from a semitic language, but there's no reversal involved. It's very direct. The Hebrew word "הללויה" sounds exactly like "Hallelujah". In Hebrew, it comes from the "הלל" (or "H-L-L") root, meaning "praise", and "Jah" being a name of God. It means "praise God". Which is basically what it means in English too. Nothing complicated about it.
Literally😭😭
With it's direct Arabic counterpart "Al-hamdu li-llah" btw
@@demeter1793which *still* sounds more like “hallelujah” than the shahada does! and that phrase is also commonly used by arabic speakers to mean “praise god”, so even going by nationalistic ideas i don’t know why this guy felt the need to make up some weird metathesis shenanigans.
@@mccookies3664Because Muslims believe that Islam was the first religion ever and that all other religions are corruptions of it blah blah blah blah. That’s why they’ll try anything to prove that they were the first
@@mccookies3664Im not an Arabic speaker but a Muslim and I thought that Hallelujah was a changed version of "Allahu, ja", which could be a repeated phrase for the remembrance of God (called Dhikr/Zikr in Arabic). It sounds quite similar. I've also seen a video about a Christian American guy who made a sect, where they gathered in church and repeated the word "Hu" which is literally a practice done by Sufi and dervish Muslims, again called Dhikr/Zikr. Remembering the fact that Jesus a.s. lived in the middle east and spoke Aramaic, it's not surprising that you would have similarities in religious vocabulary (the same goes for Judaism as well.). The reason the similarities aren't as clear is because there simply isn't a preserved scripture in the language that Jesus spoke. And thus most Christian scholars have learned from Hebrew and/or Greek translations.
I've always been fascinated by fringe nationalist linguistic theories like this. I've seen it with Turkish, Greek, Albanian, Chinese and especially Tamil. BOY there's a lot of it with Tamil. Also I appreciate the creative flag choices.
So about tamil, the reason why they are so emotionally attached is because they feel underrepresented despite being such an old language that is from a different family. A lot of broadcasts from foreign tvs will only have hindi translation and not to mention the North indian politicians trying to make hindi mandatory in all schools
@@akshatmodi8607I stumbled upon an arguement between two Indian nationalists online. One was a North Indian and the other a South Indian. Each claimed that either Sanskrit or Tamil are the first and oldest languages in the world and all languages are derived from either one of these. They came up with ridiculous reasons to try and defend their claim and the whole thing of course went nowhere. The North Indian had a religious case for support of Sanskrit, the Tamil dude claimed that his language hasn't changed at all in 7,000 years or something ridiculous like this, which is a common belief among Tamils for some unknown reason.
I'm from India but this is so relatable to me, people believe that Sanskrit was the first language and that Sanskrit is the mother of all languages or whatever. There are literally billions of instagram accounts that do this stuff, and people BELIEVE IT! 🤮
I know this is a repeat of the first comment
8:33 THE FLAGS LOLLLL
English: Burger
Icelandic : Iceland
German: Austria
Dutch: Germany
French: Belgium
Spanish: Cuba
Italian: SPQR flag???
Latin: Italy
Lolol I feel like the english one came from the general tendency to use the American flag to represent the English language. And then with that in mind, for the rest the creator just chose chaos
it's the correct flag for french (i.e. language of the franks). the franks came from belgium.
I mean as a cuban I'm not mad 😅
@@someperson1141 it's because Burger comes from Hamburger, which comes from Hamburg, which sits rights in the middle of the area where Angles and Saxon migrated from to Britain in the early middle ages.
@@lavamatstudios French language is vulgar Latin mutated by former Celts, it has little to do with Franks from Belgium who had to learn it to bully the natives more efficiently.
I watched a film where there was a guy that claimed every word came from Greek, even kimono (the Japanese gown) came from Greek "chimonas", meaning "winter". Kimonos have long sleeves, and clothes with long sleeves are worn in winter, hence the name.
I know you don’t believe this theory of course, but ki-mono is unbelievably boring and comes from Kiru-mono or ki-mono, which means clothes or literally it’s worn-stuff (stuff to wear).
It’s not 0% they shoved the kanji onto a preexisting word since that actually happens a lot in kanji but this would be so absurd and unlikely since there’s no accompanying information on why this info got to Japan and how yet nothing else arrived
> "...there’s no accompanying information on why this info got to Japan and how yet nothing else arrived"
That last phrase is super good when it comes to understanding stuff like this, props to you
That movie, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, was a comedy, and that part was a joke about the guy being ultra-patriotic about Greece and falsely attributing everything to it.
"Did you know that the word kimono comes from the Greek chimonas, is mean winter?"
@Bawhoppen :þ
@@BawhoppenI was going to comment how this paper reminds me of this movie
This reminds me of the time I was traveling in rural Pennsylvania and stopped by this beautiful little town at the bottom of a valley and there was a man cleaning his balcony. We began to chat and he told me he was a college professor that had immigrated from Hungary. All was going well until he told me that almost all English words derive from… Hungarian. At that point, I knew I wasn’t talking to someone rational.
huuugeeee
You should talk to an albanian. It's gonna be even more fun 😂
@@Pekara121 I have been trying to explain the irrationality of this to my father who in all other aspects is a perfectly rational and educated human being. But somehow every language comes from Albanian.
LMFAO
@@Sundrobrocc I sent this video to him and he reluctantly conceided a few points after seeing that literally any ultranationalist propagandist does this. He holds on to the the notion that Albanian is an exceptionally old language though as we speak an Indo-European language isolate. This is a little more reasonable though.
u forgot the proto indo fart hypothesis
Sorry
@@Sundrobroccall good bruv
Fart actually has cognates in most Indo European language… oddly enough
@@AaronGeller Nothing odd about it pretty. Farts like most bodily functions have been around for a long time. They're even older than language, believe it or not. So the Proto-Indo-Europeans farted and so they made a word for that. And that word made its way to PIE's various daughter branches.
@@poudink5791 This is a really bluepilled take. Farts only came to be after the fall of the Roman Empire, leading to the unfortunate centuries-long loss of Pythagoras's edict not to eat beans. Even after recovering much of the Classical World's knowledge, most people don't take the bean edict seriously, so now people fart. They didn't used to.
Good to know that people like the father in My Big Fat Greek Wedding who thinks every language comes from Greek really exist.
iirc in medieval times it was the normal belief that every language “descended” from Hebrew, because of that curse of being unable to talk to each other while trying to build the tower of bable
I am from greece and these people are everywhere here. The movie isnt doing some weird character building. Its satirizing an incredibly common belief among older greek generations
That was a great movie.
I think that this video is quite misleading because Arabic and English are technically both dialects of Kaingang but that’s a discussion for another day. Seriously tho nice video
LMAO thanks dude
Well I've heard that there's a relation between English and Arabic but right now I really don't think that it came from Arabic *completely* . I guess we'll see about that in the future.
@@Nusret15220There... really isnt unless you count some words we've borrowed from each other. They're part of different language families.
@@syro33 Well I guess I meant that and forgot to say it 🤦♂ whatever sorry for the misunderstanding
@@Nusret15220😅d😅
oh my god!!! yea i once stumbled upon a russian website explaining how all words come from protoslavic and they had the same "reversal" mechanism
REALLY u have to send me a link (if u want ofc lol)
@@Sundrobrocc There are multiple "hypotheses" of that kind.
Valery Chudinov was infamous for trying to read "sacred proto-Russian runes" in literally random cracks (like Jesus face on toast, you know), as well as on every ancient monument ever and even on the surface of Mars. His "findings" featured reversed or arbitrarily chopped modern Russian words.
Anatoly Fomenko devised a "new chronology" rewriting all Biblical, ancient and medieval history with help of questionable astronomical calculations and atrocious pseudo-linguistics, which involved chopping and reversing words every so often ("the city of Samara, when read backwards, becomes A-Ramas, that is, not-Rome").
Not giving direct links here because youtube has previously blocked comments for posting links. Fomenko's books seem to be available in English and there are wiki articles about him and his activities. Chudinov seems to be only available in Russian. There was one more guy who had this "Russian is Arabic" shtick, but I can't recall his name.
I wonder what those nationalist arabs have to say about Spanish, because a considerable part of our vocabulary comes from Arabic (eg. almohada, álgebra, alcohol, etc) due to the arab conquest of Spain, but our language still got its grammar and most of its words from latin and is considered a romance language, alongside with French, Italian, Portuguese and others.
That's actually a really good point cuz this guy literally never mentions Spanish (at least in this paper) which is so goofy given how many loanwords it has from Arabic because of the *actual* influence the two languages have had on each-other in areas like Andalusia for example. What a guy
They want to conquer you again because they think they're entitled to you
"arabic and English are a dialect of the same language "hell to the no bro he must be on that dprk hashish💀💀
this is really like when in math class your result is that the plane departed with -10251 km/h
HAHHAHA YES i love results like that they're so funny
I think the average peer review would return that paper with "This isn't right. It isn't even wrong."
Your point of coincidence is exactly right. Like, the Thai word ไฟ (fai) means fire. However, Thai diverged from Kra-Dai family while English diverged from Indo-European language. It’s like claiming all European languages descended from Kra-Dai languages lmao
Exactly! Jassem would probably look at that one word and then link it to English "fire" then Arabic نار (nār) where /n/ became /f/ (somehow) and /a:/ diphthongizes into /ai/ giving /fair/ lmao
@@Sundrobrocc ♾ IQ
The Austro-Thai is strong with this one. Proto-Austronesian *apuy 😏
@@Sundrobrocc The best I could come up with is [naːr]->[noːr]->[nʷoːr]->[moːr]->[boːr]->[poːr]->[foːr]->[fuːr]->[fyːr]->[fiːr]->[fiːɹ]->[faiɹ]. Other than n->nʷ->m->b, all of these changes have happened to English before (just in a different order). This wouldn't be that bad if (1) it had more than 500 years to happen (language doesn't change that quickly), (2) the intermediate stages were attested in the over 1000 years of literature in both languages, and (3) it applied across the lexicon. It doesn't do any of those things lol
i mean, the evidence for greco-kra-dai is obvious /ij
Very proud to see Māori make an appearance on this vid! Ka rawe tō whakahua!
I understand it's beyond the scope of this video but I'd like to add that Māori /f~ɸ/ corresponds to Hawaiian /h/, and Māori /ŋ/ to Hawaiian /n/. Because of this, it's not clear whether the Hawaiian word "hana" should be "hana", "hanga", "whana", or "whanga" in Māori (all of which are real cognates).
There are also a few words where Māori a corresponds to Hawaiian o but I'm not sure under what conditions, Hawaiian seems to be the outlier here among Polynesian languages. Most notably this affects the causative (kinda) prefix "whaka-" which becomes "ho'o-" in Hawaiian.
Yeahhh, those sound changes are really cool and you explained it super well! I sorta knew about them but didn't want to risk overcomplicating the point I was making with the 3 consonants I used.
And yeah I think it would make sense that Hawaiian would be an "outlier" since in Samoan for example I'm pretty sure the prefix is fa'a with /a/ sounds (btw whaka is such a cool prefix istg-whakakāhoretanga "negation" is one of my fav words cuz it's literally 3 morphemes slapped together lol)
P.S. Nō Aotearoa koe? He tino pai tōu kōrero :)
@@Sundrobrocc Āe, nō Aotearoa ahau!
And yes whakakāhoretanga is a great example, as is its opposite whakaaetanga (agreement, acception). In fact, probably most verbs prefixed with whaka- can be used like this. The only problem is that the first consonant in the suffix isn't always predictable and is based off of word final consonants that were lost. The verb "inu" (to drink) has "inumanga" (drinking) and "inumia" (to be drank), while with "hopu" (to capture) there's "hopukanga" (capture (noun)), and "hopukina" (to be captured).
Thanks for always using the correct flags when representing the languages!
Of course! Always proud to represent 😍
Oh god not the “everything is Arabic” guy lol, PLEASE do this with Edo Nyland, he’s the most insane and fascinating guy I’ve ever seen
DUDE HE'S LITERALLY ON MY UPCOMING LIST!!!!! Expect that video in some time cuz I know dude he is actually insane
the flags 😭
Very well researched. Loved how you gave multiple examples for your arguments from multiple languages!
I love the incongruous flags for all the languages
I like it without music. It adds this silent note to the video, which makes the subject more clear in my head
I'm just impressed by how well you pronounced "darija" to the point it makes me think you were moroccan
I'm actually currently learning Darija so I hope my pronunciation was okay :)
@@SundrobroccIt was great!! Made me doubt whether you were arab for a second but the ع exposed you lol. Im sure eventually it will be indistinguishable from a native.
tysm! one day ghanTqu mzyan hh
@@rimostle I think it's more the lack of chadda "khasni nmchi n9aTTa3 dfari" and not "n9t3" because the second would be more used if you wanna say you'd cross the read "an9t3 tri9" but for cutting your nails it's "an9ette3 dfari" : i think the "3" was fine personally
@@Sundrobrocc if you don't mind, I wanna ask what makes you interested in learning moroccan darija specifically ?
I love that the Italian flag is SPQR whereas the Latin flag is the flag of Italy in this video😂😂😂
This whole thing is so 'English is a dialect of Chinese'. I believe it was like 'some English words sound similar to Chinese ones' and then the examples they give don't even sound anything like the English, not to mention there's no evidence English is a whole ass DIALECT of Chinese because of this. I guess some people just want their language to be the 'best' one or something, it's weird.
Happens all the time lol, there's the same ppl with Sanskrit, Tibetan, etc.
As it happens, when most of your words are only 2/3 syllables long, you're bound to find coincidences. 餐厅 (can1ting1) means canteen, 费 (fei4) means fee, and the romanization for the possessive 的 (de) matches the possessive in Spanish.
At best you can try and figure out if there's been any loaning, as with 咖啡 (ka1fei1) actually being cognate with coffee, but I'm pretty sure these first three are nothing more than coincidence.
the CCP is now saying that aristotle was chinese so expect it to get worse
@@hello-rq8kf send a link
Yeah. Again, this is what happens when you take into account the other fields I mentioned like history, where it would make sense that "coffee" and "tea" (also a really frequently loaned word) would be loaned given worldwide trade contact etc.
Awesome idea for a series! I'm looking forward to more crazy theories!
I love your style of linguistic videos so much. Keep up the good work man!
This is a really well produced video. I have no knowledge on linguistics but I felt really engrossed in the topic throughout it.
Subbing, hope this becomes a full series
thanks so much dude:) i had a lot of fun making this so I'll definitely continue!
immediately subbed, can't wait for the next ALT Review
HAHA it's coming (somewhat) soon! I have other videos planned rn but I think I'll come out with another one at the beginning of July so stay tuned👀
i adore the flags u use to write the sound changes
As an arab, i laughed the moment i heard this theory
me too lol its so silly
For so few subscribers, your videos are insanely high quality!
Thank you so much:)!
8:31 WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE FLAGS?!
He is likely assuming that Arabic is the critical junction of indo-European
as the ancient form traveled westward
and using that theory as the basis that the tree is nothing more than fancy roots.
What a great video to find by chance in my recommended. Entertaining and clear, whether you know anything about linguistics or not, and very polished considering your channel's age and size. Keep it up, man. I think you'll go far.
thank you so much man :)
Looks like this video is getting a lot of engagement, good for you the videos is very well made, subscribed.
Man, I loved this concept and your approach to it!! (Also the details with the flags ;) ). You combine humour with easy to digest and insightful commentary. Keep it up!
You just earned a sub, hope you continue delivering this quality series :)
awww dude that means so much like seriously :) really glad u liked it!
This remembers me some posts in social media showing "cognates" between Japanese and South American languages. Seeing a published article with such thing is just insane
yeah it's absolutely crazy
It's a bit dumb, but seing Basque used not once but twice for a random dumb example made me incredibly happy
LOL
I just finished IB as well man, nice to find this channel : ) interesting series idea!
Damn using "technically correct" flags for the languages was devil😂
There are "scholars" who take a very logical next step. Some nationalistically-minded Russian amateur linguists (like Fomenko, Zadornov, Chudinov) have "successfully derived" European languages from Arabic by flipping the words around (right-to-left, you know, bro), and then, by flipping them back again, "derived" Arabic from modern Russian.
I've heard of that, it's so funny dude
Japanese actually even has a more casual contraction of "anata" that's literally just "anta". knowing this, when i first looked up what the Arabic pronouns were I felt like I was being pranked
LOL thats kinda cool
Great video, new viewer. Some soft calm jazz music in the background might be nice, who knows. Very interesting stuff, nice to look at too with the unobtrusive but slick way it's edited.
thanks for the opinion!
The music was great! Helped me focus by stimulating me a bit during the videos that had it.
It does seem like you guys are the majority, so I'll probably bring it back in the coming videos! I was just trying it out, since tbf the one comment against it (1:20) was really funny like wdym "sing it" 😭😭
Thanks for ur opinion :)
@@Sundrobrocc HELP you *NEED* to sing the silent music
I NEED TO SING MY SCRIPTS
Nice to hear from someone who survived the IB! I just picked my classes for the Diploma next year.
damn bro good luck. u got this
like i told someone else who's also about to do ib-just try your best to not get caught up in deadlines and you should be okay. u got this:)
I remember the late dictator of Lybia Muammar Gaddafi claiming in the 80s that Shakespeare was an Arab. He surely would have enjoyed this theory.
I enjoy this series , please do more
definitely more coming!
The example of "dog" in English and Mbabaram is maybe not that much of a coincidence, as it's relatively close to the sound a dog makes.
The point would still stand though imo-you can't just say the languages are related based on that word
8:39 Those flags are killing me lmao 🤣
I remember a crazy folk-history theory, which, among other things, featured the idea, that, because Hebrew is written backwards compared to Latin and Cyrillic scripts, you can trace roots of words from Hebrew words read backwards
LMFAO WHATTT I need to know more-do you have a link or name or anything?
@@Sundrobrocc It's "New Chronology" by Fomenko ("New chronology (Fomenko)" is the Wikipedia page). It appears that there is an English translation
@@Oler-yx7xj people should really stick to their fields :)
that goes crazy thank u so much
@@Oler-yx7xj oh my god fomenko... there's way crazier shit in there than that, honestly its a great video topic LOL
I just found this channel (and am totally gonna binge all the videos) and wanted to comment on the music thing. I would probably go with quiet lo-fi, just loud enough to be audible.
That's what I was tending toward doing. Thanks for the opinion :)
"What about you?"
in Arabic: wa anta?
in Japanese: anta(anata) wa?
I know its coincident but I found it funny as a Japanese and an Arabic beginner.
Further evidence! They must be related!
I thank the mighty algorithm for sending me your video. Very cool. Please continue.
PS: did you use some Roman Empire symbol for the Italian language?
Wdym that's the right flag (SPQR lol-Senātus Populusque Rōmānus)
And thank you so much!!
@@Sundrobrocc I mean, I think SPQR for Latin and Italy flag for Italian would be better - It seems like they're reversed in the video.
@@Peter-iu3dh wdym, every single one of the flags is standard, especially the flag for french
Go to 8:33, for example
I think the Latin and Italian flags are mixed
But that is a minor issue. I'm just a flat nerd. It does not affect the quality of your video
Cheers :)
@Peter-iu3dh (lol thanks for the nice comment but i did this intentionally :) look at the other flags eheh. My first comment was me just playing along)
This vid was amazing!!!
Glad you liked it!
It's very funny how the flags used are completely all over the place :)))
As a Greek person I hear all the time that all of English comes from Greek, so this is kinda relatable. I think they are mostly talking about loan words etc which ig is true in like the sciences but not to the extent they imply
yeah you put it well
When I was young, I thought that the Arabic language was actually the origin of languages, but when I grew up, I understood that every people believes that their language is the origin of languages. For example, the Jews say that the Hebrew language is the origin of all languages, and so do the Arabs, Indians, Romans, ancient Greeks, and so on. Every people believes His language is the origin of all languages (of course I do not make excuses to anyone) and as my teacher said, just because two things are similar does not mean that they are necessarily connected or of the same origin (I am sorry for my bad English), I also have a question for some people in the comments. Every people believes that their language is the origin of all languages. This thing is not limited to the Arabs. Why speak badly about the Arabs?
Exactly right. Many people base these language theories on nationalism-the love they have for their origins.
To answer your question, the focus may be on Arabs in this comment section just because this video happens to talk about Arabic, though I do not think this hate is justified in the slightest. Jassem doesn't represent all Arabs, and doesn't deserve any hate regardless. The point of this video is to academically discuss his theory based on the knowledge we've accumulated over the years, *not* to point and laugh. Unfortunately, not all people will get this.
Underrated af channel
Using the Austrian flag for German sent shivers down my spine. Still, could've used a Namibian flag, Venezuelan, or worse… Swiss.
I loved this video, and I have a suggestion to make for the series: Look at the "Thyrgwaunas and Gwaulgwaunas" theory. It's the most ridiculous ethno-linguistic theory I've ever seen.
Holy crap the paper I found talking about it looks ridiculously chaotic. Might have to look into it
@@Sundrobrocc There's like three different papers, it's sort of a series it seems - each of them more stupid than the previous one
oh man i was an ib kid, congrats on finishing!
Very informative video! As someone not involved in the linguistic side of academia (or academia in general all that much tbh, just studying), I'm very interested what the good papers and methods are in contrast. Like you said, there are some coincidences, and some systematic, predictable rules, but how exactly do you check for which case it is? Do you just create a dictionary with translations from one language to the other and then look for statistically significant trends? I feel like all kinds of things could go wrong with that if it was that simple
Yeah so as I said, Jassem's biggest problem is that he's *only* hypothesizing sound changes at the word level.
The "good methods" not only look at sound changes at the *language* level but, importantly, tie together many more fields like historical contact, archeological traces, literature, and more to assess the plausibility of genetic relationships.
Hope this answers your question but feel free to ask more!
@@Sundrobrocc Thank you!
Then I'd like to ask about the following hypothetical scenario maybe:
Imagine Jassem was able to show that there is a big overlap, many similarities and analogues between English and Arabic, to the point where English sounds and looks like a dialect of Arabic or vice versa. But at the same time, much like in our actual world, the cultural links between Arabs and English people are comparatively low.
How would linguists go about this?
Thinking about it, it may be a stupid scenario, as having cultural ties seems necessarily and sufficiently connected to having similarities in language which would legitimize the "good methods" which also care about culture.
If you have anything to say for or against this though or maybe know an example similar to the scenario, I'd love to know about that!
Very interesting, though I'd need more information about what it would mean for the "cultural links" between the peoples being "comparatively low" (on what metric?). For example, Lithuanian and Hindi are ultimately related in that they're both Indo-European languages. In this sense, we have extensively predicted regular sound changes that led to those two languages from PIE, though today's cultural links are not very strong, despite them probably having been stronger in the past. Does that make sense?
Those Article Processing Charges are pretty common in open access journals since they can’t recoup costs through subscriptions - it doesn’t necessarily reflect on the quality of the journal.
Fair point yeah. This isn't to counter you in any way but some commenters claimed Macrothink is nothing but a scam, so oh well. And like I said in the video, I'm sure they've published good things in the past, but it could make sense an article like this was able to "slip through" (if even)
Iceland stays immune to joke flags lol Great video my friend! What a wild paper this guy wrote
Btw, bíl is the accusative form of bíll
@Sundro you should definitely swap the flags for Icelandic and Euskara.
I have two certificates in Arabic syntax (Classical arabic specifically, in the liturgical context) and after going through the horrors of arabic grammar I can proudly say it’s exactly like english!!!! 😊😊😊 No differences at all, it was suuuuuuper easy!!!!!!!! 😍🥰
There’s a new linguistics(and other subjects) youtuber? I’m so glad theres more. I’m going to subscribe now
If Arabic were really the mother of all languages, i.e. it .UST be the origin.
Then why is the letter "P" absent from it?
Infact Arabic takes more loan words from English than English does.
Petrol- Bitrul
Pepsi- Bebsi
Palestine- Filasteen
2:24 to me it looks more like Tagalog and Nahuatl together than English XD
Nice video :) please make a video about how arabic words are formed! I'm learning it because of my wife and I'd really appreciate it.
maybe one day!
Have you come across any paper that tries to connect Khoisan and Pama Nyugan and reconstruct protolanguage words for it?.
i can't say i have but that sounds dastardly i hope to see it someday
@@Sundrobrocc yeah, was just asking cuz Pama Nyugan has a click language(probably constructed but still click) and once upon a time and still today to a lesser extent, a common origin for all click languages was proposed.
that's crazy
It Is theorized by some linguists that the Germanic languages were influenced by Phoenician. (See the works of Theo Vennemann). Now of course that's not Arabic. But it is a Semitic language, and your video reminded me of that. Vennemann's arguments seem rather sophisticated but I'd be curious to know what you thought of them as well.
Interesting, I'll look into them!
Please, no music!
"finally done with finals" hey chill out I had 3 yesterday and just got this video recommended, and I am not even done yet, this hurts man.
(congrats)
u got it :) just a little more i'm sure
@@Sundrobrocc btw I liked the video, I subscribed, looking forward for more. And yeah just a little more, have another on monday but today I am taking a break.
Completely unrelated question I thought of - when you pronounce plosives, is it the buildup of air behind the contraction (caused by the characteristically sudden exhalation) that moves the passive articulator away or is that done willfully? Or is it both?
Well so from what I understand, air pressure builds up which is then released when you consciously move the articulator. If you pronounce [t] for example, air builds up behind the tongue until you choose to release it-you can have much more pressure if you choose to.
Don't know if this answers your question so let me know!
@@Sundrobrocc Huh, I never noticed that you could build up pressure like that! I didn't think the tongue could withstand that much pressure until I actually tried that with [t] right now. (Yes, you interpreted my question right.)
(Also, neat correlation - I used to beatbox and all three of the extremely basic sounds used there are just overpronounced [p], [tʃɪ] and [k]. The way you get those to sound right is by doing the same building up pressure thing.)
cool video! (as an ex ib student and current linguistics student)
As a moroccan I must say that this idea of modern European words orignating from arabic is believed by a number of people across the arab world with no linguistic or historical arguments. I speculate that Jassem got inspiration for his paper from this common misunderstanding with focus on a few examples of borrowed words between languages, whil3 disregarding liinguistic patterns and common sense as you explained here. At the end it's just a bit difficult to correct people on this as some completely refuse to change their mind from my experience.
Great video tho👍
Totally agree yeah-a lot of people unfortunately get really wrapped up in their way of thinking which makes it hard for new perspectives to flourish. As I said in a different comment, Jassem describes himself as an Arab Nationalist which could be where these ideas came from or at least were solidified, so yk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
also mlli rani knt kanqra lcommentaire dyalk i read your typo "whil3" with the 3ayn lmao
@@Sundrobrocc hhhhh hadchi li kayw93e when learning new languages they start getting all mixed up, wlkn again bravo, darija is NOT an easy language to learn. Im curious what kind of resources you used to get to this level of fluency?
I don't think any one in arab world think that way , i didn't cross any one have that idea
Although arabs think all semitic language originate from old Arabic
Well I'm nowhere near fluent but I've been reading some reference grammars and also I think I can say it helps that I already speak French. u 7tta 3ndi shi s7ab mghribin lli y3aweniw m3 lloghat soo yea! nch3lah I will improve
3:00 so this is where Denis Villeneuve got his inspiration for the Heptapod's language in Arrival? 😍
Where do I get the food flag
reading some of the comments here, I can say that there are some Arabic speakers (mostly graduated linguists) who try to find connections with other languages out of thin air. I think the hypothesis that says the Spanish masculine definite singular article ("el") has its roots in the Arabic definite article ("al-") is the one prefered by said speakers. when confronted about it, these people will just say something like "no, really. it comes from Arabic. there's no way it comes from Latin pronoun 'ille'".
Haha yep. Happens, I suppose
@@Sundrobrocc makes me feel better that these people are the minority
(also, wow, super sonic speed response; gotta appreciate that!)
Well made
I guess this is a great example of how NOT to do research 🤣🤣
The phonetic reversal might be because Arabic is read right to left?
LMAO
An example of the strange coincidences of false cognates like this one with "Dog". In the Yakut language, what is a Turkic language, the word they use for the number "seven" is "sette".
Which is a bizarre coincidence with the Latin languages, which is also "sette" in Italian or "sete" in Portuguese. In phonetic terms it ends up being a little more similar to "seven" in Portuguese."
yeah! just like hungarian nő (woman) and mandarin chinese 女 (nǚ)-stuff just happens yk
@@Sundrobrocc You're fast, I hadn't finished watching your video and you had already responded xDDD
I'll give you another one. In Bosnian we have the word "batak" which means 🍗 but apparently in Turkish it means plate.
@@Pekara121Uhh... 'Batak' (or 'bataklik') means 'swamp' in Turkish... Who told you that it means 'plate'? 😅
@@Kerem-mf9oy it seems I was lied to in my childhood 😭
off topic but i like just finished my first year of pre-ib and all i have to say is congrats on graduating, i barely even passed normal school curriculum this year let alone ib. i think i might get kicked out 😭😭
CHILL u got it u got it. I believe in u
Like I've told other ppl, just try your best not to get wrapped up in deadlines and you should be fine.
And for the love of everything, don't pick HL Chem.
U got this !!!!
@@Sundrobrocc this quarter i got absolutely decimated by ramadan so maybe next year i shouldnt fast 😭😭😭 but yeah ill try to do my best 👍👍👍
If Jassem can do it, so do I god dang it!
+ Hallelujah in Arabic is spoken same as the english promounciation along with a the variation: هللوها: halleluhah which means praise. Propably derived for Aramaic
Mmm... Well just subbed because I have a fascination with pseudo-linguistics/anthropology/history. See, I've met people calming the same thing as this paper about Hebrew and European languages. And I read up a few things about Proto-indo-european, and that's actually more compelling. And I've got some interest in conlangs: It's easier to learn a second language than creating a convincing conlang.
The way he sees language and dialect is the legal way to see it in here lol
Today I learned that I speak fluent Arabic. Nice.
LMAO
You mentioned music. I thank you for making this video with the best music of all: absolutely none.
Bruh the Journal's logo is literally the motown logo 🤦
small critique: your speaking volume fluctuates a lot, sometimes i can barely hear you but other times its loud
Thank you! I'll keep that in mind
can someone explain the lexical root theory, because google only shows up this dude's articles?
Yeah like I said in the vid it seems like it's a technique he himself invented, so I wouldn't expect it to be used by any other rational person lol
@@Sundrobrocc oh thank you for your response, I missed that part