Unleashing Brupeg's Crazy Solar Potential - Project Brupeg Ep.336
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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With our BougeRV solar glued down to the three cabin tops on Brupeg its time to deal with the limiting factor that was holding us back from unleashing its full power potential. Our four small charge controllers were undersized (we actually fried two of them...) and this mean't we couldn't allow the full power of the panels to flow through, they were throttled back.
We couldn't afford to upgrade to the correct size and buy the 7 remaining charge controllers, Cerbo monitoring unit and the victron cables needed to make the system run until now. Thanks to your patreon support, Brupeg has been given a Christmas present in the form of a full victron MPPT control system.
Part one of this two part series deals with the revamp that was needed inside the battery box area to accomodate such a large number of solar controllers and the first connection of solar energy flowing through the new system.
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Your electrical room has to be named and given a plaque.. "Duncans Dungeon"
Thanks
Thank you so much Richard
Just a little towards the inverters!
Thank you so much Bill
I hope you deburred the cable holes ,I ve seen sharp edges cut through even the best cable conduit
Engineer Cat thinks it's humans are silly. Make life simple, go chase birds! Jess that knee is bending nice. You've made great progress!👍
I’m a bit puzzled with the upwards hole cutting, once you had the pilot hole why not just go out side and cut downwards?
Someone put a wheelhouse in the way! Couldn’t get the drill in tight enough to the front of the wheelhouse so up was my only option
Yes thanks for the reply, I just knew there had to be a reason why you were sweating it out cutting upwards, well done, you're a machine!@@ProjectBrupeg
Plenty of cat. Launch another Go Fund Me for the tidy ups. You need this stuff, raise the cash and get it all. The final 10% phase I can see is enormous. What do you need $40-50K? If you don't need all that much and you raise more then that can sit there for emergencies or fuel or whatever.
You know we have your backs, right?
You are so bloody awesome. We do need this stuff and until it’s done it’s always going to be a limiting factor and we are shit scared of asking our audience for more support. We don’t know what’s fair to ask, so we are currently being very kiwi about it and hiding, knowing we still need to do something about it!
"...Bat-tree..."???
Happy new year. Sorry to be the carrier of bad news, but unless you guys move the MPPT chargers so they get proper airflow through the heatsink they will burn up and stop working very shortly. There is a reason that people even add active cooling to them. The manual states that they must have a minimum 10cm space above and beneath...or 3 bananas space.
I can not believe that between himself, Duncan and their many advisors no one has remembered that electronics don’t like getting hot, especially if they are shovelling a lot of electrons. So they I bet they have a plan - who knows, duct some A/C through there perhaps - but he has not mentioned it to us yet.
And when they unveil it, they do it with a comment about comments 😂
Ironically yes it’s revealed through comments. We have very little options in this battery bay so it’s a compromise like most things. It does get hot but so far we’ve not seen anything over 45 degrees. That said, that’s without any cooling. We will be building 2x4” pipes force venting the hot air out of the boat and we will be adding floor vents into the wheelhouse as the colder air conditioned air from the wheelhouse will naturally try to drop to the floor and enter the battery compartment. With the slight vacuum that the extraction provides it should pull this air in faster. But all of this is yet to be built
In big car audio systems with little space and a lot of electronics we monitor the temps with large cooling induction fans and thermostats. Perhaps something like the induction fans we use?! EXOcontralto at UA-cam just built a perfect modern example of exactly what I’m talking about.
If you're using a victron bmv-712 shunt in there anywhere guys it does have a relay that can be linked with the temp probe in them so you can trigger a fan relay at whatever temp you specify. I have this with a tight 12v setup in the DMAX (2x mppt, DCDC, etc) and the high speed extraction fan kicks on at 35c automatically. Could be an option?
How about attaching the electronic modules to a rectangular tube made of a good heat conductor like copper or aluminum and pumping sea water through it?
Looks like another go fund me for proper Victron inverters
Maybe there's money in the kitty from the engine go fund me 😊
question: why didn't you install an electric BowThruster ???? everything was open in the front, ready for installation....
Cost. For us to do that it would be cost to 20 grand once the genset and ancillary costs are all factored in. Also don’t need it, Brupeg is nearly fifty years old and never had a thruster. If the old boys could do without one, so can we
Probably would pay to put a manual activated fire pro system in that area
Yes we have just purchased a CO2 system for this area. Enough to flood this compartment if anything happens and all circuit isolation is outside of the box so nobody needs to go into the box should fire happen
👍@@ProjectBrupeg
Have you tried turning the Inverter upside down? I think thar makes it just a verter. Then if you turn it back it's a reverter and it automatically fixes itself!
I buy cheap inverters and when they fail I can usually fix them by replacing the igbt's or whatever they are using for power switching.
Your so blessed to have Duncan along for the ride to help you with sorting out all this wiring. He knows what he's doing and he's done a stellar job thus far.
Happy new year you could try money bags for the magnets there what I use and there free from the bank.
Looks like you need to invest in a label maker so you can track all your wiring for diagnostics sake
More action from the Jeffries tube...
Crazy not the word Wiring nightmare
Happy New Year guys. I'm sure you're aware, but having installed the same MPPT's recently, the manual states to install them with the cable connections facing down. I believe that this is to protect against water ingress from water or condensation weeping down the cable. Not sure if this is an issue, but it was a callout in the manual that I decided to listen to. Good luck!
Happy New Year From Canada
From Wings to Wiring, From Solar to Polar, is there no end to the talent on Brupeg. Happy New Year.
Forget the plastic bags with magnets, I found that if you put the magnets inside a used plastic bottle the shavings stick to the outside, and with a quick shake of the bottle all the metal shavings fall right off. Works fantastic and is much more durable than the plastic bags.
Jeff that’s a brilliant idea!
Can the owners of the channel please tell me if bouge are going to restock the 200w bouge panels in Australia ? At present more or less simultaneously to the release of the video where you installed the cig panels they were unavailable from the bouge rv Australian website.
Dame here. I’ve not heard anything but I will message them right away. Can you send me an email at teambrupeg@gmail.com and I can update you on their response
I had an Ames inverter with the same junk terminals and it failed the same way. Cables were tight and the terminal block just burned up, then the controller board or the power board faulted. Got rid of the unit and got a Victron.
why are you you using such low current controllers? what is your solar panel series parallel arrangement?
Panels are 30v each series to be groups of 3, so 90 VOC.
The controllers can handle up to 100VDC input. Our battery bank is 24VDC and that is limited by our battery BMS as we can’t wired our batteries in series due to BMS limitations so we are stuck with 24VDC system architecture. We did look at moving away and using commercial grade controllers and lifting solar voltage to high hundreds and battery voltage to suit but it’s less efficient for what we need as we would have much less flexibility for things like shading. Overall this was the system design that had the least compromises given all the variables
happy new year to you all What has happened to Dangar Stu?
Thanks, same to you. We don’t have anything to do with Stu anymore so we don’t know what he is up to.
35:06 Each inverter should be given it's own disconnect and correctly sized fuse/breaker. The current setup with the second inverter piggy backing off the first inverters posts is not recommend in any way.
Most boats that size either run on shore power or have a stand-alone genny running nonstop.
Correct and that’s why we wanted so much solar so that we can still maintain the systems of the e boat without the need for a 24/7 genset and the cost to our supporters to run that.
Happy New year to you all from Auckland bro.
I always enjoy watching your channel and all the skills you all have are amazing! 👍
I'm a sparks by trade, not boat electrics, but I regularly see people fitting high current cables and equipment to combustible surfaces? It worries me that dry wood is next to your electrics!
Just a heads up, I can't help pointing stuff like this out as I am a fire alarm and extinguisher technician!
😊
Wishing you all continued success and of course HNY!
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These comments are very welcome. Most things are a compromise on the boat. We try to use fired rather gear wherever we can and build as best as we can.
Please tell me that you're going to get a nice ship's wheel. That one looks like it's out of a forklift truck.
Yes and so far we have been operating under the assumption it’s a tractor wheel. Possibly a forklift wheel but without the little twirly knob for dramatic lock to lock turns we can’t be absolutely certain of anything.
Damien stop being naughty😁.. we have had a stainless steel one donated. We have to machine a new taper so it’s taking a while to get to it. Jess
Hello again, Jess, Dame and crew! I think of you as 'harnessing' Brupeg's solar potential, rather than 'unleashing' it. Unleashing sounds a bit wild, but you guys are always in control. 😁
Thanks for all your hard work in 2023; great progress and an excellent series of videos. I hope your 2024 is full of good things and warm fuzziness.
Happy new year x 🎉
HAPPY NEW YEAR, BRUPEG. The end of 2023 saw Brupeg in the water and many jobs completed. 2024 can only be better!
When I was hovering over the clip, it annotated Brupeg as Brew Pig!!
32nd!
Why dont you make it super tidy with Lynx distributer and Lynx power in and a lynx shunt 500/1000/smart shunt?
Great to watch your journey . EX fisherman here love the boat but I don't like the panels with all the cables everywhere.. Seems to be cables everywhere. Other than that she's a good thing .Cables everywhere i see trouble down the track ... All the best 👍
Every boat needs a Duncan! Top job again, love the Cerbo it will give you so many options going forward! Happy 2024!!
I love that there is water all around Brupeg, Happy New Year!
those upper line of chargers are pretty close towards the top of the compartment so I would wonder how toasty they would get with so little clearance for ventilation at the top of the fins - maybe add some small temperature controlled fans or mini blowers underneath them to help move the air a little if they end up getting too hot?
Awesome project, looking good. Thanks for sharing.
Poor Duncan got really downgraded on the cabin for this trip.
He said the last bunk was a bit cold and did we have anything in the upper 40 degree range
He was talking fahrenheit!!
Nobody takes Fahrenheit seriously these days
@@ProjectBrupeg 😂
Happy New Year to you all
Brupeg is coming along leaps and bounds all that hard work you’ve put in has certainly paid off.
Take care and all the very best
Love seeing Duncan riding the bow in the opening sequence. Go Duncan!
Just as a thought maybe consider a funnel type cover around the exhaust pipes for looks
We will be building that soon as it’s needed for the forced fan air extraction
You and your family must have a very happy New Year.
Cheers
Maybe put a plate of steel under mag drill to increase thickness?
I just thought of the same thing but decided to check the comments as not to double up. Should work though. Btw, Happy New year to you all.
Happy new year to you all love and appreciate you all Cliff from Logan City Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺 👨🏻🦽
Gremlins, getting the solar panels and oower components connected. Repairable? Relocate? Add fans, venting, cooling? Troubleshooting required?
Head down, arse up and just keep going. Happy new year.
Awesome vid as always put your magnets in zip lock bags then when your done pull bag off no steel sticks to magnet. So easy clean up. 👌 and now I play next bit it's OK you know already. Lol....
Great idea using all those cable entry glands… especially over the bunks…..Allows you to plan in advance where you want the cabin roof to leak..
Absolutely. Its awful when you don’t get to choose
Any cutting compound on that hole saw?
Nah the hole saw was missing most of its teeth and was going in the bin after that job. Normally yes but not on these last few holes
@@ProjectBrupeg Goodoh, and just out of curiosity, would it have helped with the mag drill if you'd put a piece of waste 6mm plate under the deck where you were trying to drill?
I've never used one so I'm quite prepared to be shot down on this.
By the way, love the boat. Looking great.
@bloodyslatts1452 thanks mate. Some times it can help but if it slips at all it’s just a prick to use. Think powerful holesaw with no centring bit. It works best on solid 10-12mm or thicker steel.
The front cabin is only 6mm plate so it’s easy enough to just smash a bi metal saw through.
@@ProjectBrupeg I can see where that'd be suboptimal.
Happy New Year to all the Brupeg crew and fans.
All you can do is push on and keep on building. 😊
Happy New Year. I use a rag on my magnets, plastic bags just don't go the distance.
With the Mag drill, do you think if you put an extra piece of steel on the backside of what you are drilling through, would help?
I prefer AIMS inverter/chargers but they are rather expensive and not sure if you can get them in your country.
Happy new year guys , ive got a 8kw solar on my off grid land, in the uk and it hates to get hot ive got ventilation and a fan for the summer to keep it under 35c i was told higher than that and it will self destruct 😅 so good luck in keeping yours cool but looks a nice set up ,
Happy New Year. I'd put a few Co2 fire extinguishers in the wheel house and next to the battery box
Actually just ordered a 3.5kg CO2 bottle for that room. Will also make a small cut out in the floor boards so if it’s needed we can stick the nozzle only in that room and flood it without the need to open floor boards and climb in. Also all controls and breakers are now outside the box too
I'll trade your hot for our cold. Also happy new year
as it is already new year down under i wish you all a Happy Hogmanay from a old Scotsman hope all is well and all are safe and sound may this year be better than the last Huzzah!!! 🎉🎉🎊🎊🎆🎆🛠🛠🔧🔧 PS 14:35 She who hesitates is lost or snack less as the case may be, LOL i see a dip in the river if the kitty is not careful lol might be time for a custom life jacket or a Bell !!!
Happy New Year!Brupeg family! Woohoo!😗🎉
Although I like the whole project, I’m especially interested in the solar/power/battery setup.
Happy New Year. Hoping you can go explore, in 2024.
Great principal to keep the electrics isolated from the hull. Reduces the chance of electrolysis too.
“Mummy, he’s making holes in the boat again….”
You can remove the last few iron filings from the magnets using sticky tape or kneadable rubber
Happy New Year Is it 2025 down under? I know its all opposite land😂 Duncan needs his own bed in Brupeg for whenever he feels like it...
Happy New Year to your whole crew, shame about the setback, good that you can still get on. All the best...
Glad to see things coming along.... everything is better in the water, even if it's sometimes harder, it's still better. Blue boxes, maybe not so much, They tend to be 3 or 4 boxes where everyone else has one. Of course I can't say I have pushed anything I own very far as there is only so much room for solar panels on our (much smaller) boat but I haven't had any failures either. The size of the solar panels pretty much determines the load one puts on the batteries over 24hours on a sail boat :)
Thanls for an awesome episode as usual. Duncan is an absolute legend and a great team member.
Keep up the fantastic work n Happy New Year, may all you hopes and dreams come to fruition
maybe a reverse c shape is more compact
Love it so much keep it up as always 💘
Happy new year!!!!!!🎉
Let's hope you'll be able to fix it! Good job on all the wiring, won't be long before your done. Happy New Years to all of you on the Brupeg and I can't wait to see what's to come next year. 👍
Too many mppt controllers, you're going to cause more problems than can you can handle. I've got 4 panels to one controller. One not 5.
We have 25 panels split out over three different deck surfaces. Modern solar design is moving to a single MPPT per panel (I say this as someone who designed and sold solar systems for a living). We don’t have to many controllers we have the right amount of t to make this the most efficient system it can be. Yes it could be done with much fewer but you would get less power from the system in total and have less redundancy should something go wrong. Dame
It's likely that the inverter AC connection meltdown was the outcome of a not-great connection plus the movement of cables given the work carried out in the vicinity. The timing of the issue and the recent work in that area is unlikely to just be a coincident. Hopefully just a terminal repair and it'll be good to go.
Happy New Year from the tropics of Townsville. 🙂
Completely agree with you, and terminal block now replaced. Happy New Year! Duncan
Chaff protection NEEDS to be in the sharp edge metal side. You need to stop the movement across the sharp edge. A sharp metal edge will make it way trough any cable sheath no matter how many layers.
@@teeanahera8949 yes smart arse, I meant chafe. However aware he is, he is dealing with it wrong. Movement on a sharp edge will cause chafe, the ONLY way to prevent chafe is to treat the sharp edge not the cable.
Happy New year to you all
Happy new year to everyone 🎉
Electricians commented on battery acid & air flow on subs. Important comments here.
Quicksilver had rows of scuba tanks all clanging with boat transit. Equipping brupeg for sea folly is no easy task. You would have to come up with a package.
Always remember after 5th outer reef journey the smogas board of food and the sick ones on way home. Your cruiser would aviod all that. Just Hawaiian music on way back to drop of satisfied scuba customers. Live the dream.
When you here those scuba bottles clanging as you head out , your in the money.
Well done guys!
I wish it was a big steel sailboat fuel just cost so much
That’s why we will be running on vege oil. Sailing is t cheap either. Sails and rigging is extremely expensive for a yacht this size. And you still have a diesel to maintain
Happy New Year! 🎉 Sorry about the inverter. Forgive a noob question, but is there a reason only one is hooked up as a charger? It seems like that one charger would be doing a lot of work keeping the batteries topped with all those power tools running. Is this down to available shore power? Just wondering. Duncan's work is awesome as always. 👍
Yes we only have a single shore power socket available. So we have one inverter connected to shore power and soon to be the second connected to our small genset. Our power comes from both inverters which take all load from the battery bank which is in turn topped up at a constant 1800w from shore power over time
Cool. That makes sense. @@ProjectBrupeg
How are you planning to connect all the controllers to the Cerbo, not that you can change it now but an Octo would have enough inputs for all the VE direct cables without resorting to multiple VE to USB converters.
Not sure what an Octo is. The shop we got this kit from said the cerbo was what we needed. We have it now so as frustrating as that might be we’ll press on. The plan is to use the three VE Direct ports and two USB expanders to plug in the nine charge controllers and the smart shunt. Then Ethernet up to our BruNet system to pull data for our monitoring
@@ProjectBrupeg Octo is the same device but has more VE direct ports, your plan will work just fine though,
Have you tried plastic cutting boards for mounting?
Not a good idea, Aluminium is best, the fireproof panels used in switchboards is second best, the controllers will get hot
@@teeanahera8949on the isolated thing, Absolutely not necessary on a steel boat, the whole hull is ground.., the only thing is to ensure the hull isn't used as a normal current carrying conductor by ensuring all negatives are isolated from the hull at all but one point on the hull
Isn t there a risk the sun is reflecting over the black shiny panels into the wheelhouse irritating the helmsman ?
They actually reflect less than the paint they cover up
@@ProjectBrupegI see, thank you .
Hi Damien.. did you see my reply last week and find the 063 battery?
Regarding Inverters/Chargers .. get separate units..
(One possibility that you may not think of that caused the burnt chocblock.. low voltage will raise current .. alternatively..
Disconnecting the solar will have increased the power needed by the charger particularly for a surge load.
I didn't like the chocblocks being exposed, there are fire proof ones.
Fuse's on each of the panel string's and outputs from the controllers?
Totally agree with extra heat shrink and connect indoors, the push together connectors on any of the panels are definitely not waterproof and they do corrode going open circuit⚡
100vdc on a wet deck.. not Cat or Hooman friendly.
(btw enjoyed the count reference)
Regards..
Bella 🐈 & Mark
Thanks I did but haven’t had a chance to stop and hunt for one yet. Still on the to do list
Happy new year guys
Hey dame with the solar cable glands, good idea Mabey I reckon you would have thought of it already and it might be a bit of a pain but you could fab some steel or stainless glands to make them solid, the plastic ones are sweet as well steel would be bulletproof though🙂
Did you get those cable trays locally? They are a great idea. Oh and happy New year
Yes available in town at sheriff electrical. The bright yellow store on Toonburra St
@@ProjectBrupeg Cheers, will go grab a few, whoever wired our boat just left everything hanging and looks like a dog's breakfast
@nautichunt84 you can get them in galv or stainless. SS needs to be ordered in. They have a few widths so it’s an easy way to make some decent cable paths
@@ProjectBrupeg definitely looks neater and safer
Happy new year to all you crazy kids!
7:25 I'm pleased to see you found a "Duncan storage area " on the boat.
8:10 Oh! Just spotted the "Duncan charge cable " plugged into his hip! I knew it!
Dear Jess and Damian,
First of all WIlleke and I wish you, your both families and your friends a Happy New Year in a good health and with prosperity.
The electrical system in combination with the solar panels seems to be done very well what will safe a lot of energy on board. Brupeg slowly becomes an updated ship with all kind of modern technology. It looks like Brupeg will be completely ready by the end of the summer / the middle of autumn in Australia
Willeke and I look forward to your next vlog and send you love from the Netherlands