Bluetooth Cylinder Boring? - The space age meets a Small Block Chevy!
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- This video shows the process when setting up our boring head to bore cylinders on engines. The boring head uses bluetooth and an app on your cell phone to set up the cutter. It also shows the length we have to go to in order to save some blocks!
The boring head is very trick.
Amazing technology.
Thanks for showing us how it work.
Good video.
Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed! Hope you're doing well!
I love the boring head. I am wanting to get one for my fadal.
I would recommend it over the manual if you have the extra coin.
Great video 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
I would think that, that machine wouldn’t have any runout! Afterthought after seeing Derricks “318” run if I ever get one it’s coming your way!
Thanks!
Great video. Would love to meet you and see your shop. I have a numbers matching Gen 1 350 that needs a refresh.
Sounds good, just give us a call!
That coolant concentration looks SUPER rich. I love the tool though!!!
Actually only 6%! It Vasco stuff does come out looking thick!
I once worked (as the IT guy) in a shop that made custom pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders. So we had all sorts of boring bars, etc. Bluetooth... yeah, as the IT guy, I'd be expected to fix these. Then again, I did network all of the CNC controllers circa 1996, long before it was fashionable.
Of course, the object here is that you'd (at least) have a library of CNC programs and settings and offsets and such so that the most common jobs would be called up from memory -- ie, SBC being bored .60 over?
Or a Family of Parts thing, where you'd have (for example) a boring job on a SBC and all you'd do is to set the overbore?
I have a whole host of programs for all of the different blocks and the operations they need. Decking, boring, enlarging head bolt holes, receiver groove, ETC. But not every block gets every operation. I'll usually load the program I need and then set the boring bar to the desired bore and press go! Assuming I don't need to adjust the program to someone's botched machining, so I don't ruin the block.
You didn't show the resurfacing portion.
Always fun seeing new
I'll make sure to include it next time! Just thought I'd shown it enough and people would be bored of it.
With all that technology why isn't there a cap on all the mains to distort the block, to real world conditions. Granted it is a very small amount of distortion, but the hone will follow the bore. I like that your using the actual main bores to locate, that is truly proper. When I see the deck surface indicated true for surfacing and then the deck surface used to bore. It always seems like the actual crank position is assumed, rather than verified.
You make a good point, but we have measured the distortion with the mains tightened and it is very minimal. When I set up the fixture, I wanted to make sure that I could start with a known good datum, and the crank seemed like the best option.
i would have thought that the X axis position and the bore positions in that direction would have been taken from the Main bearings thrust bearing face or rear main. The zero degree position rotationally taken from the top of the cam bore considering the mains were already centered on the Y axis. Set like that the only assumption in the blocks geometry is that the cam bore is parallel to the mains ( I have found this to occasionally not be the case). Like the boring bar it would save a heap of time using the comparator to measure the tool set first.
Yeah, they are all over the map, so that is why we check everything because we have run into problems when we don't. I agree, a comparator is on the list of goodies to buy!
20 or 30 years from now will look at that and say look at that antique. I thought I've seen everything.
No kidding! I'm looking forward to seeing what the next innovation is!
At 5:20 the core could be shifted regardless so getting the bores straight isn't going to help much if the core is shifted. Some of the older iron stuff is all over the show, some companies with their late model alloy blocks are very precise, Nissan VK56 is one of note and BMW engines.
After watching further you explain this.
Yep, casting and machining processes have come a long way. Most of late model stuff is a lot closer than these old blocks are.
Far out! you really needed an app for that. you already knew you where 9 thou away from your target size. Lol.
Well I might not need the app, but it is fun to play with!
GREAT VIDEOS
Glad you like them!
So a Torque isn't used when Boring? Only during Honing? Great Videos. Lots of cool ideas. Just need to add a Forth to My Fadal Now..
Not required when boring because there is enough material left over to hone that we can straighten out any distortion.
Why doesn't Paragon build a high performance engine using their procedures in a 5 or 6 installment so I can build an engine with a local machine shop correctly.?.?
We will have some Multi part series coming up on a few different builds. Stay tuned!
First off, LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! Keep 'em coming!
Your main bearing "mandrel" that the block is clamped to...are you using donuts that slide onto that so that you can accommodate a wide variety of main bores? I'd love to see how it's set up. Do you check it for parallelism in between jobs or does it stay pretty much rock solid?
Thank you for the support! Yes, we make rings that accommodate the different bore sizes, so the crank centerline is the center of support bar. I will usually check the bar after a couple blocks, but it has never moved from where I set it every time I check!
Have you made any attempt to rough a bore with circular interpolation? I'm curious if that's viable, though I guess not really worth it for most overcome jobs
I never have, but I do interpolate the O-ring grooves for block and cylinder heads. I think the biggest problem you would have with a cylinder is trying to keep the cutter deflection down being that long of a cutter. I'm sure it could be done, but probably not time effective.
That’s really f***in fancy tool 😂
Yes, yes it is lol
So, basically, boring cylinders is like leveling my 3d printer bed before getting a BLTouch haha. Interesting content as always.🤌
Yes, pretty much the same process lol. Thank you for the support!
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The space age started 60 years ago, I think you might want to upgrade, it's been the space for a long long time.
Well yes, and the SBC was out during the space age. But it sounded cool, so I went with it!
Thanks for the video I was impressed. My 1st car in 1967 was a 55 Chevy convertible with 265 SBC.
What a nice car! I would like to have one of those in the stable!
where can you buy that boring bar? can you please give me the name of the boring bar, maybe a web site
catalog.bigdaishowa.com/view/448492075/474/
That is their catalog opened to the page with the boring head. I use Machining resources in Portland, TN for all Big kaiser stuff. They are very helpful and knowledgeable!
Holy $#it... @3:25 Peel your phone off your utility belt and make like Batman.
Holy WiFi Batman!
@@paragonengines1924 Was surprised to see the technology built into the head of the machine tooling, Amazing.
I understand the challenge in trying to save the block at the next available bore size, especially if it was bored previously in a way not as precise as you are doing. What I am wondering, could a probe cycle have shown much of offset needed to get close? Or would that be redundant because you end up checking it anyway?
Thanks for the video. I currently use a Kwik Way boring head and tooling adapted to a vertical machining center. This video gives me a few ideas. Does your machine have M19 Spindle Orientation?
Yes, the numbers that were on the paper were the result of probing. I haven't yet set up a way for the probing cycle to input the data into the program, but I know there is a way. Yes, all the Haas machines have M19, and I programed in a retract function in the boring cycle when it brings the head out of the bore.
Can you post info on the boring bar and where to attain one
catalog.bigdaishowa.com/view/448492075/474/
That is their catalog opened to the page with the boring head. I use Machining resources in Portland, TN for all Big kaiser stuff. They are very helpful and knowledgeable!
What manufacture is that boring head? I've used remote measurement devices, but never tried any of the tooling.
It is made by Big Daishowa/Big Kaiser. I have been very impressed with the quality of the tooling!
@@paragonengines1924 Thank you sir. I'm taking a look at their offerings right now.
What type of coolant do you run?
Swiss lube Vasco 6000, but I'll be changing it soon because I have a real bad allergy to it.
@@paragonengines1924 gotta get synergy. I work in a maching shop. It's clear. Smells better. Best option out there
I will look into it! I appreciate the info!
@@paragonengines1924 actually its from Swisslube also. Blaser. But from what I've seen it's the standard across the industry. No allergic reactions ever at work with many operators.
Chevrolet, not "chevie".
Michaelangelo, not Michael angelo
Chevy, not Chevie.
@@matthewmattson6881 Michael Angelo is the account name, not "Michael angelo".
Not attempting to tell others how they must talk. If you'd rather appear vulgar and uneducated, carry on with that same third grade level speech...
@@jimanderson1355 They're both wrong. But I spelled it that way on purpose, because it looks as ridiculous as it sounds.
I'm just one of them dang 'mericans that won't pronounce them fancy French names lol
How much can u charge for spending all day on one bore job?
LOL
Between boring and deck a block, the floor-to-floor time is about an hour and a half. Only about 30 mins of that is time I'm at the machine, either loading or unloading. I have about an hour to go and do other things!
Why on gods green earth did you buy a haas for block work instead of a centroid?
Cost mostly. It's about half the price of a Centroid and I didn't need the 5th axis. Also, from other people I have talked to with the Centroid, there are issues with the software and fixturing, along with they don't even have wireless probing!
@@paragonengines1924 Wireless probing has nothing to do with the machine and a renishaw can be added to anything. they run through macros not through software.
@@paragonengines1924 Just to throw it out there, my Haas has software problems :/ its a 2019 model.
You are right, but if I'm spending over $300K for a machine, in my mind it should have all the bells and whistles. I know the centroid is a great machine, and has more capabilities than my VF-4, but I couldn't afford or justify another $150K over what I paid for the Haas.
Shoot, I don't want to hear that! Mine has been flawless, so I'm hoping that track record continues!