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That was a massive mess caused by a bad coordination between TWR and GND. Look at that string of planes getting stuck after landing!!!
Runway 30 looked to be closed for some reason during that night. Any locals to show some light on that? Everybody was using 28L.
They are going to have to rename Taxiway 'Charlie' to taxiway 'Conga Line' after this mess. I was wondering why traffic wasn't landing on 30 - I am betting there will be a local or a fan of the channel that was stuck in that mess that can tell us.
Also, please miss us with comments about woke controllers.
will we get the recently turbulence plane audio?
W is being worked on currently as part of a major taxiway overhaul. There was a roughly 8 month Phase 1 which was completed in February 2024. Now Phase 2, which includes a 5000' long stretch of W, is underway. There's supposed to be a temporary taxiway but maybe there was some minor repairs being done or something to that effect.
@@dba1222 They were over the ocean, so there probably wasn't anyone recording it (other than ATC, but that won't get released unless its part of an investigation report).
shit airport
"The tug will be here shortly"
55 minutes later:
yeah, wtf is up with that? should take 5-10 minutes, right?
sir, i know the time is sort of unacceptable, but even in PEK, if we want to find a tug, even on specific ramp, the tug need at least 30mins+ to the ramp, if we meet the busy time, 1h
@@smithkenny8034 extensive wait on the ramp is fair, but imo this was very high priority situation, so they could afford delaying one more aircraft to avoid causing multiple delays
@@smithkenny8034 OAK is small and this was causing SWA a lot of pain, and they have tugs. Maybe they don't have many that can drive around. I noticed at LHR that they are mostly using remote control electric tugs for regional jets, you couldn't get one of those over here very quickly.
@@smithkenny8034LOL
I work as a ramp supervisor, had it taken me nearly an hour to get a tug to sort out this mess, I'd be in with the managers the next day to answer questions lol..
OAK run on Coconut time
Glad to see employees actually care about their job lol
There could have been an issue with clearance on the taxiway. In the airport I work at, they only allow each company to have a limited number of licenses to enter a controlled movement area like a taxiway or runway, so we'd need to wait for someone with the appropriate license to enter the taxiway before we could help. We usually have at least 1-2 people with that license on shift (myself being one of them), but they wouldn't necessarily be on standby working on the ramp at the time of an incident like this. Aircraft movement through controlled areas are scheduled in advance for us, so everyone would have to wait while we respond to an unexpected situation like this. We have responded to a similar call for assistance towing an INOP aircraft from a taxiway, we responded in under 15 min in that scenario but we were fortunate that a licensed individual was already airside near the tug and didn't need to pass through more than 1 security checkpoint to reach the aircraft. ( also a Ramp sup btw).
"I've got an idea for an airport design. It's a little crazy but hear me out"
"Say no more, I'm sold"
The North Field doesn't usually operate commercial aircraft, the main 12/30 runway is out in the San Francisco Bay so that 737s and even MD-11s aren't flying low over homes in San Leandro and Alameda. The 28/10 runways only operate commercial aircraft when the main runway is closed. In 15 years there I only twice had commercial jets landing over my house on Bay Farm Island, right off the far end of this runway. The usual puddle jumpers on the North Field can do a left circuit without getting to the new control tower which is between the two fields.
The north side was the old airport. They built the new portion south of a civilian road and connected the two sides via a singular aircraft bridge across the road. The old field is primarily for cargo flights so that 1 bridge shouldn't be used much unless one side is closed right? Well one side was closed for repaving every Sunday and Monday night in May. So they only had to deal with this for like 8 nights max and they couldn't figure it out 😒
I was on of those arrival flights that got stuck after landing. I was wondering what happened. We were told an aircraft was in the way and that it needed to be moved. We sat for about 45 mins after landing before making it to the gate. It makes sense now; thanks for the video!
Were y'all allowed up to use bathroom?
@@A1FAHx I don't recall if anyone tried to use the restroom (thankfully, I didn't need to, but I suspect we would have been told no since we were on an active taxiway.
Had a controller do this to me at ORD. Fortunately we were taxiiing an EMB145 and were able to do a 180 degree Uturn on the taxi way.
Southwest did a 180 twice! It's a matter of time before another Pan Am.
ATC said the tug would be there shortly, they did not expect the crawling tug 2!
To be fair to Tug2, he made pretty good time for having to come all the way from JFK.
"Delta Tug 2"
Ah, KS classic!
I GET THE REFERENCE! I GET THE REFERENCE!!!
Rumor has it Southwest narrowly eeked out a Jersey scrap yard in a bid to acquire DT-2 after being de-com'd. A deal personally brokered by KS under the stipulation it was to be shipped to Oakland, never to return to JFK.
"Mediocre tug!" 🤣
How an airport only has one path to/from the runway seems crazy to me - it anything ever happens to that one taxiway the airport is completely shut down?
These two runways are shorter and are the lesser used runways, and are further from the terminal. The main runway is much longer and has many more taxiways, and is closer to the terminal. My guess is the main runway was closed during this time
There is runway 12/30 on the south side, much closer to the terminal with 2 or 3 taxiways; why that wasn't being used, I don't know unless it was closed for maintenance or noise restrictions.
28/10 L/R are only used for commercial aircraft when the 12/30 main runway is closed. Even big exec jets taxi over the 12/30. These runways usually don't even operate jets.
@@owenmerrick2377looks like there was pavement repair work going on.
It'd be extremely rare for an entire taxiway to need to shut down, and for some strange reason it did, one could taxi on the runway. It would just make the air traffic more congested. I flew to an airport with only a short taxiway from parking to the active, and you have to taxi on runway and make a 180 for a takeoff in the reverse direction.
"Tower...I really like pilots from other companies. They are good folk....It seems unusual to wave at them while I am sitting in the cockpit."
😂
VASA great job with the graphics as usual!!
Thanks for watching
OAK: Wow, it's much more challenging with a runway closure.
SFO: Hold my beer.
Calling Uber to the taxiway to come take me home 😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣
They should have a quick departure chute passengers can use to exist the airport.
In ATC we call this the “golden towbar”
I get that the main Runway was closed, and these Runways are not used often. Which makes me understand even less, why they never had the Time, Ressources, Money, Nerve, or a Brainwave to add another Taxiway.
It's only needed maybe once a year for this sort of thing. Most 12/30 maintenance happens overnight when there are no commercial flights. Most of the time it's only used by business jets which land on 28L but depart on 30 because Alameda complains if they fly over Bay Farm island at takeoff power and a few hundred feet.
Just wanted to say I absolutely love this channel. I always had some interest in flying, but nothing beyond playing around a bit in a flight simiulator, but this has become my new "drama" channel. Love this so much I even found out there is an ATC simulator on Steam I'm going to have to try out. I am getting too old to switch careers, but I wish I had seen this 30 years ago; I could imagine how stressful it can be, but I've always been someone that takes punctuality and precision seriously and I was always told by coworkers I'm friendly and easy to get along with. I think I missed my calling.
Great channel! I don't always comment, but I make sure to thumbs up everyone!
@VASAviation... Last I heard they were resurfacing the runway... It will always create problems on single-runway airports. They would be up the river without the North field picking up the slack. Must be some interesting views for the spotters along Harbor Bay Parkway, since it sits just a mere 100 - 200 yards from the departure end of runways 28L/28R
Lesson: This is why you always hit the toilet before you land ... even if you don't really have to. Those people waiting in line after landing were stuck in their seats, regretting that beer.
I'm sure they allowed the use of the toilet
@@VASAviation Hello! I can't say. Maybe other commenters can. I can only speak from past experience. Several years ago (and, I forget the airport), the "I think Delta" plane we were on overshot its rather tight portside turn to the gate after taxiing over a bridge (from the West heading East). This caused MAJOR problems. We sat there for a very long time as a short pushback was somehow not possible. By time the plane could move forward (and turn around), a lot of time went by. There were some hunters in the back of the plane returning from a successful trip. They had politely partied a bit on the plane. Nature was now calling for them! The flight attendant Absolutely would not let them get up because the plane's engines were running. They became very vocal. When pain set in, trouble broke out in the back of the plane. They finally just got up and went to the toilet despite the flight attendant and captain's protests. Nobody on the plane disagreed with the hunter fellows.
@@VASAviation I doubt it. I was stuck for an hour on taxiways once after landing and the rule is quite strict - no leaving your seat until arrival at the gate. The FAs made an announcement to tell everyone to stay seated with seatbelts buckled as soon as one or two people looked like they were starting to get up.
@@VASAviation Yeah, not so sure. I've had this happen a few times and have always gotten the "we're on an active taxiway, so you must remain in your seats" reminder from the crew.
@@joeythelemur2being on a taxiway does not matter. If they put the parking brake on and CA says you can get up, you can get up.
“14 CFR § 121.311 of the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (e-CFR) covers seat belt requirements for aircraft:
Safety belts
Each person on a U.S. registered civil aircraft must wear a safety belt that is properly secured around them during takeoff, landing, and movement on the surface. Passengers must also keep their seat belts fastened while the "Fasten Seat Belt" sign is illuminated. Refusing to fasten a seat belt during landing can result in a $10,000 fine.”
Ah.....OAK GND.......We have a number for you to call.......When your clear.
OAK GND: "Unable, controlling"
I wondered who would be first with that "joke".
Exactly
Wow, this is one of the activities that does not forgive inadequate skill.
dei man dei
@@jamescollier3 more likely chronic understaffing and overworked traffic controllers
@@jamescollier3 Ikr, like when that engine fell off an AA DC10 in 1979, it was DE....oh wait
@jamescollier3 Funny how the same thing happened three years ago and no one was shouting DEI.
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It's weird how ATC mistakes only became political in the past year.
@@VOIP4MEyep. Those dei comments are like a cancer spreading on social media. All the sheeple get told that’s the new thing to blame and so off they go. No critical thought or understanding of anything.
Looks like OAK last updated their master plan in 2006. There was one proposal in there for new cross-field taxiways, but none of them were included in the long-term (2025) land use map. Seems it's time for OAK to develop a new master plan, one that incorporates the FAA's 2022 update to airport design standards.
What a clusterf**k. That extra fuel cost to Southwest is no joke!
"Preferential runway use program in effect 2200-0600. North field prefer arrival 28L. If unacceptable for safety or ATC instruction, 12/30 must be used."
So wait, the face off could have necessitated the temporary reopening of 30 for arrivals instead of making them all line up on Charlie for an hour but they just, didn't?
That's only to keep landing exec jet traffic away from residential areas so far as possible. Business jets only take off from the 28s when 30 is closed, or when there's a major sporting event that fills the airport with the 1%. 12/30 is usually used for all commercial traffic and business jet takeoffs. I lived a half mile off the departure end of 28L for 15 years.
@@aawillma do you even know the reason why 30 was closed?
@@VASAviation Runway 12/30 at OAK is undergoing maintenance to repair pavement cracks during the overnight hours. Great video as usual. Glad the problems this time are not at my home airport KSQL. 😀
GREAT editing, thanks! !! !!!
That was a Charlie-Foxtrot!
ATC: PAN-PAN, PAN-PAN
Pilots: go ahead ATC
ATC: We just had a staff strike, 6 hungry on board. Requesting vectors to canteen.
Pilots: Roger PAN-PAN, turn left 090 heading, proceed to HALLWY, hold short of KITCHN, the CNTEEN should be right in front of you. When able, advise how many beers in fridge and snacks remaining
Is it normal for there to be so few ways to get from one spot to another? Seems silly for a single blockage to have no way of being routed around in an airport of that level of traffic.
South Field is the commercial field. North Field is for small aircraft and business jet parking. Even the business jets usually taxi to South Field to takeoff. But if the main runway is closed then the commercial aircraft can use the connecting taxiway and the 28/10 runways. 28R was probably operating puddle jumpers on the separate frequency North Field uses most of the time.
Man I’d hate to be a passenger stuck in the end of that arrival line lol
Depending on the amount of available gates it might be even worse for those in front as they've been sitting for over an hour on the ground.
@@royalgm true I didn’t think about that lol. An unfortunate situation all around. I got stuck on the runway for an hour waiting to take off in Cancun a couple months ago and being stuck on that plane for any extra time sucks lol. Especially because I’m 6’4” and they aren’t built for me
Whoo boy glad I wasn't on this flight
55 minutes to get a tug out there???????!!!!!
Well they had to wait for tug driver (only one on the field) to get back from break , he had to find the tug then fuel it, find a diagram to see how to get there around the other plane then travel at a break neck 5 mph, hook up the plane, wait for two wing walkers to show up then slowly push back. 55 minutes is a new speed record. 😆
This looks more like something you would encounter using FS Live on Xbox.
Epic stare off
To be fair, airliners rarely operate out of that side of the airport
One road, one way, both ways
I don't understand why there is only one fairly long taxiway to connect the terminal to two of the airport's three usable runways. This seems like a significant design flaw. It almost looks to me like OAK is two airports connected solely via Bravo - a GA airport consisting of a pair of 10/28s, plus a smaller 15/33, and a commercial airport intended to use 12/30. Ultimately this is on the controllers for sending two way traffic down the same taxiway, but it looks like the order of operations requires queueing for takeoff all the way back at the terminal, as there's nowhere for a plane to line up and wait for clearance to takeoff either - they'd be blocking the taxiway for anyone trying to leave. Not to mention everyone has to backtaxi... all of this is ok at a small airfield, but Oakland is a hub for both Southwest and Fedex, isn't it?
North Field is the old field Amelia Earhart flew out of in the 30s. The new commercial South Field was opened 62 years ago. Since then all commercial traffic has landed and departed on what is now 12/30 which was built in the San Francisco Bay. However, if 12/30 is closed then aircraft can land and depart on 28L/10R. 28R/10L continues to serve the light aircraft and landing business jets. In 15 years living half a mile off the departure end of 28L I only remember commercial jets landing over the house twice. The FedEx hub is at the top right of the image and has better access to taxiways, it's on the other side of the road they built across the airport around 2000. That's also where the new control tower is, which has a wonderful view of the taxiway.
Everyone makes mistakes, no one was hurt, and lessons were learned.
Good job 😆
How not to design an airport in one easy lesson.
I guess there was a train of departures on the ramp, too
Yes, the controllers should have coordinated that better, but having only one taxiway between the runway and the terminal (zero redundancy) was a problem waiting to happen.
Why does Frank Drebin come to mind, saying to the crowd that there is nothing to see here?
Thank you for mentioning that Rwy 30 was closed because this made no sense 😅
What a nightmare design for an airport. A built in back taxi with one way in/out of the ramp? I don’t envy working in that tower.
"It was a rough day"
"What happened?"
"I got towed"
Whoa whole bunch of SWAs!
It's osbviously not a catastrophe, but boy what a pain in the arse that must have been
Ground, standby for a number
they can't do the old Red October turn around? peg the tiller at 90 deg, engine 1 standard, engine 2 on reverser, and just spin it round like its Kerbal Space Prog?
Next time you'all fly over the 3Crosses (my home) honk and give me a wave out the window 🤣
all you need to know this OAKLAND that says it alll
This is one of the most perfect examples of a clusterfuck that I have ever seen. Thankfully there were no accidents and no one was injured. Well, maybe the injured pride of the ATC who couldn't seem to answer questions to the pilots about what was going on.
What a mess... LOL
Yikes!!
I looked at KOAK on Google Maps; there's no parallel taxiway on the left side of runway 28L. If they were to build a taxiway, for which I think there is just enough regulatory space, planes wouldn't have to back-taxi on the runway and cause congestion like this! This is really bad planning on the airport authority's part.
How come? Are you an airport designer or engineer? Do you know that there are roads, buildings around?
I wish I was an airport designer or engineer, @@VASAviation. The minimum distance requirement between the centerlines of a taxiway parallel to a runway is 400' for airports at or below 1,345 feet. Having taken *superficial* measurements on Google My Maps, I have concluded that, after 400 feet from a given point on the runway centerline in this video, there is still ample empty room to pave a parallel taxiway. Futhermore, having referenced Google Maps, I have found no obstacles to a hypothetical taxiway. Only potential caveat is a service road by the threshold of 28L. There's also a solar farm, but it also shouldn't pose too much of a risk.
This reminds me of that one AirForceProud95 video
ATC's next career anouncement was "Would you like fries with that.."?
Clown
There is simply no excuse for the GRND controller to allow that situation to exist. ATC *should* be required to make a report.
Even if the normal runway is shut, why aren’t arrivals on 28L vacating to the right, then using either 28R/10L or the parallel taxiway to taxi back, rather than a 180°. That’s either 1 or 2 extra holding points to make sure this kind of thing doesn’t happen, exactly like how they parked all the arrivals afterwards?
Tenerife 2.0 right around the corner.
And surely the airport paid the extra fuel costs. Lol
Hey, if we change our airport name to something San Francisco something, we might as well get as comical as their controllers! :p
This is yet another example of smaller or older unsuitable airports becoming taken over by low cost carriers avoiding the higher fees at airports actually designed for the use of passenger aircraft in significant numbers per hour.
whoever designed this airport and how this got built is crazy to me. i could save them though
How come ATC doesnt get a number to call??? Possible ATC deviation ! I wish one day a pilot could give this to a situation like this! I have a number for you when your ready!
The number to call is getting burnt into the back of his head by every supervisor in the place. And he doesn't have to *call* anyone - his phone is melting from the fire being delivered by schedulers calling him.
@@robertbackhaus8911 🤣
It's call shit staffing and mandatory 6 day work weeks. Nothing new. Thank a controller next time because they're making your stupid vacation flight happen.
@@ShovelheadMatt Dont assign a YOUR to this as you dont know me. This was a sarcastic comment if YOU cant understand one. I have max respect for ATC and i value every clock in and clock out of this elite group. So dont assign a YOUR to this!
Golden tow bar award
Whoever designed this airport is insane
Good thing OAK has other runways to help mitigate problems like this 🤦
The question I have is why weren't they making use of 28R at all? Seems like much of this mess could have been avoided as a result.
Mistakes were made. Even in the jam, why did it take 55 minutes to get the tug there... ATC should be automated
Guessing the tug operator wasn't familiar and perhaps a bit squeamish operating in that area of the arpt and wanted an escort from the arpt ops. That might explain the delay + hatching a plan as to where SW was to be pushed to. Once everyone was on the same page and comms were established......
You get the airport you have not the airport you want. Unfortunately this setup is extremely unforgiving
Guessing the main challenge in the original design of the airports was the highway they had to put a taxiway over. Why they didn’t originally build 2 I can only guess, but building another taxiway would cost a fuckton of money now so it’s probably not going to be fixed soon, as also probably it rarely causes enough of a problem to eat that investment
No. That was added much later. North Field was the only field until 1962 when the South Field opened. In 1998, when I moved there, there was no cross field road. That opened a few years later. You can see the old taxiway that they dug out after the new bridge was complete. The road allows access to FedEx and the Bay Farm Island business park without going through Bay Farm island and onto Doolittle Drive which isn't suitable for heavy traffic.
I wonder why airliners can't move under reverse thrust.
I prefer north up on these depictions- keep it real.
Bad day to be a passenger
where is the video on the singapore accident?
They always say "shortly..." 53 minutes is not shortly!
I mean the Southwest B737 can do a powerback procedure lol
Oops!
Can planes not use their reverser to roll back? I mean tbey dont always use tugs to roll back from gate do they? I always thought they had a reverser and could roll back a short bit, i know thats mainly to slow down when landing, but also thought it was used if theres no tug. That southwest plane could have turned right then into that little run off.
We can't roll back on our own
are there ever situations where a plane would be able/allowed to use reversers to move backwards?
Some airplanes can with permission.
A Russian jet backed out of a Heathrow stand during a strike in the 1970s or 80s. They cleared the terminal in case he blew windows out. Reversing a jet at standstill risks ingesting any crap that can be blown off the ground. I've seen a Transall take off and land twice without leaving the runway, then back all the way to the start and return to parking. Greenham Common airshow in 1983. I've also seen a Canadian Caribou reverse from his parking. Pretty rare.
@@cageordie AA used to do it all the time out of DFW with the md80s. The high engine placement probably helps
I’m really surprised they couldn’t organize a tug as a priority response to a serious situation. An hour just seems so poorly coordinated.
Not easy to coordinate and slow vehicle and operation.
I wasn't there, but in that tight location, it looks like getting a heavy tug and crew to the nose of either airplane would require driving it under the wing and very near the engines of at least one. I'm speculating that it may be that the tug had to be extremely carefully maneuvered under a wing, perhaps with special permissions sought and approved.
Led Zeppelin made an entire album about all this. It was called, "In Through The Out Door". Some of the songs on that Album?:
"Carouselambra" - 10 minute track- VERY long for the time... On a Carousel...ambra.
"Fool in the Rain"- Uh.. Not sure it was raining but...
"South Bound Saurez" - Coulda added a "North" bound one as well.
and ""I'm gonna Crawl".
Now, "All Of My Love" is also one of the songs? But I don't think, "love" was in the air on this occasion.
Why don't they build a new taxiway on Bessie Coleman Drive?
What is the airport identifier?
Love your work but it's confusing when maps are oriented other than north up.
Hahaha
I wonder why the main runway was closed? This all happened on the North Field, which is the old field and seldom used for commercial traffic since the South Field was opened in 1962. I lived half a mile off the other end of this runway for 15 years. Since this totally screwed Southwest you'd think they'd have been in a hurry to get a tug over there.
Aircraft tugs aren't built for hurrying.
So the tug was coming from LAX?
Why did tower send the aircraft over to ground when he was still back-taxiing on the runway? I think that is the point this went wrong.
I believe these instructions mean to switch to ground AFTER you vacate the active runway.
You are wrong. They are told to switch after vacating, not prior
Great airport design! Two thumbs up!
Why is 28L in the picture facing to the right (east)?
Runway 30 was shut down, forcing all aircraft to the north field. Mix this with mando 6 day work weeks, fatigue and shit for pay makes this situation inevitable. OAK controllers are great people and this channel thrives to bring down controllers, it seems.
Oakland. Got my license there back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth.
Seems like jetsal kind of screwed up when they mentioned that he was supposed to hold short of B1
Jetsal didn't screw up anything
All of this could be avoided if they were already using the electric weel on the front.
Wow only an hour lol.
I understand SFO is right next to them, but couldnt they have swtiched to RW30 until this was resolved (this is a question for people who know better - not a statement)?
No, 30 is closed.
I find it amusing whenever someone in aviation says "shorty" and it drags out to hours. Could someone in the know let us plebians know why it is so difficult to find a tug at an airport
What airport was this?
ATC f-ed up big time here
So, was ATC/GROUND given a number to call?