Which Should You Choose? BMW R1250GS vs R1250RT
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When it comes to long distance onroad touring on a motorcycle, the choice between BMW's R1250RT and the R1250GS or the Adventure version might be an obvious one. But not so fast....
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What's your pick?
Probably GSA, but it depends. see below.
the "seated Heat" heeheh
My G310GS Rally arrived in a crate this morning in Varna. Perfect for BG village cruising and camping.
Triumph Tiger XRT 1200 😁 .
But now that GS has heated seats might be something. I am happy with my Tiger XRT but when will need replacing you never know...
I have a 2019 RT. I like it. It does get tiring on long trips. My selling point was the BMW bubble. I will only be riding on pavement. I got caught in a rain/hail storm last year. I stayed dry! I only got hit with minimal hail on the outer edges of my arms. The fairing kept my legs dry and warm from the engine. I think I would have been drenched on a GS.
I am 6’1” 185 lbs., 50+ years old and have one of each, albeit not the newest 1250cc models. My suggestion would be that you carefully consider how you ride. For multi-day long distance touring, which potentially includes inclement weather like rain and snow, the cocoon that envelops you in the RT is vastly superior. It extends the riding season well into the fall. Comfort-wise, I have ridden my RT for nearly 1,000 miles in a day and the seating position is rock solid comfortable. I like the GS for sure because it can go anywhere, plus it’s excellent for shorter distances. I love the bug-free clothing the RT affords; the GS... not so much. My RT is my favorite bike that I have owned. Period.
I’ve had the 3 bikes (GS, GSA and new RT) out for test rides (4+ hours each). My wife came in the back of the GSA and loved it (after initially wanting to be dropped off home. (She was scared of the heavy traffic and once I turned off onto country roads, she was happy)). Of the two GSs, the Adventure is the one to go with. I found it much better than the GS, it was more comfortable, mainly because (I think) the bigger tank offers a better seating position and more wind protection.
Now here is the dilemma. I test rode the new RT for 6 hours. I loved the creature comforts, the central locking, the cubby holes, the electric windscreen but the seating position (standard height with seat in normal position) was painful. I’m 6ft (182cm) with legs longer than my torso. After only 15 minutes on the RT, I was in quite a lot of pain in my knees. There is something that might not affect the 6ft plus rider on the RT: I’ve got arthritis in a lot of my joints, though I’m a thrice weekly gym goer and play football regularly, too. Thus if you’re 6ft plus and have no arthritis, you may well be ok. I’m complicated because I struggle to get on the bike because of arthritic hips. So the low initial stance of the RT is better.
The other thing that I realised about the RT is, it’s not got the same suspension travel as the adventure, which is kind of obvious really. This translates into a more jittery ride over poor surfaces and potholes as we have in the UK. Another problematic thing with the RT (for anyone with points on their licence) is it accelerates quicker, more quietly, and the quick shift is infinitely better. When I rode the GSA, with my wife, it was nice to travel at legal speeds over all surfaces, without the urge to pin it. I used to have a K1200s which I put around 70,000 miles on from new in 5.5 years. I loved that bike and it’s great comfort and blistering acceleration. The problem is the road surface and risk of getting a ticket.
So I’m still in my quandary of RT or GSA. Raising the seat height of the RT means better knee comfort, but a struggle to get on. I like both bikes, but for different reasons. I think I need a ride on a higher seat RT, but the pendulum has swung to a new GSA. One last thing....don’t waste your money on the option 719 seat and pearlescent white. They total £2k extra, which could be spent on other options. The colour is nice, but really isn’t £1700 nice. The seat is a total con! The video shows them stitching it, so you assume the quilting is stitched. It’s not, it’s a cheap embossing. The tan colour does look nice, but it does feel like this should be a £50 rather than £200 option.
Put a cover around it and you have a book to sell ;-)
The turn in on the RT is fantastic. Put some engine crash bars on the RT, mount some highway pegs - there you go, stretch out when you get the need.
You can't just buy both?
@@skippynj1979 oh yes, I certainly can, but I’d gain two bikes but lose my testicles for definite, and possibly my younger, beautiful wife. The other part of the equation is a Merc E53 Cabriolet or a BMW M4 Cab, primarily for her to drive. It was the negotiated deal! I’m quite attached to my testicles, both physically and emotionally!
@@pgVeritas but think of the smiles... Good luck and enjoy whichever you get.
I've been riding an R1250GS for two years now. Before that I've had both a R1100RT and a 2008 R1200RT. The GS is fine for lower speeds, but on the USA expressways along with speeds over 75 MPH anywhere else the RT is hands down the better bike. Two things were not really covered in this review, probably because the roads the reviewer travels are not near as congested as the roads in the US. 1. Wind management at highway speeds on the R1250RT reduces fatigue on 500+ mile days by a large factor compared to the GS. 2. There is a difference in the drivetrain between the two bikes. Because of the needs to have good low end torque when using the bike off road, the GS is geared lower. At 80 mph, there is a 500 RPM difference in top gear (GS turns higher rpm). This makes the bike louder and more buzzy at expressway speeds. For true long distance touring across the USA, the RT is a far less abusive and far superior machine. The leg room and handlebar positions are easily addressed. The lack of good gearing and full fairing is not as easily addressed. I have almost 1200 dollars into my GS trying to get it to 80% of the wind management that the RT has. Needless to say, the GS won't be in the garage much longer.
Very well said and covers points many seem to miss in the GS/GSA or RT debate.
Very good points.
If you put on a taller seat to address the legroom issue, do you still find enough wind protection? I could imagine your head would be too high up over the windshield. Using a taller windshield only helps up to a point, at some point turbulence and backpressure could become excessive
@@Gnerko123I think so for someone my height of 5’ 10”. I have a 24 RT and that electronic windshield goes up quite high. It completely goes above the top of my helmet when I’m seated. I don’t right with the windshield in that position as it’s over kill, but I tried to see how tall it is.
@@roadrash76 great info, thanks! I’m 6’3 myself with bad knees and back and hate windnoise (already have tinnitus unfortunately). Make finding a comfortable bike a challenge. Sounds like I should give a tall seat RT a try
Having owned both the 1250 GSA and RT, I kept the RT - because it is so crazy comfortable (and I am very tall). High seat option. Highway pegs to stretch out once in awhile, bar handle bars. I was not crazy about the boxer in the GS. I prefer big twins in the “Adventure” application. However, the boxer worked quite well in the RT - and unlike this reviewer (who I like very much and respect his opinion) I find the RT fantastically comfortable. This coming from a 21 DCT Tour Wing , that I did not really care for and was NOT as comfy for-me as the RT. So the lesson here, generalizations are fine, but you need to try it yourself to see what is best for you. Bikes are like shoes.
I totally agree with you
My pick is the RT anytime and if the only reason would be to find my bike on a parkinglot without checking the license plates of the whole bunch of other GS’s standing everywhere. Wind and weather protection on the RT is on a whole different level too, so not only the seating position alone makes a comfortable ride. But we all have different preferences and so there is no winner.
I had an S100XR, then changed to an RT and I felt the body position was as you described. A bit sporty, aching back and arms.
Someone told me to give it time as my muscles need to adjust.
After many 1000s of miles I now have my 2nd RT. A beautiful R1250RT. Love the new screen and no aching limbs. 😃
I have used the QuadLock on my GSA for about a year now, on and off road. Honestly I love it and think it is the best solution out there.
RT. Have them both. Unless you’re spending a lot of time on gravel back roads, the RT is perfect. Fast comfortable with great weather protection. If you’re looking to ride a lot of back roads with poor road surface, the GS is for you.
hands down the best comparison on youtube! i’ve seen them all and i know, well done!
More upright posture means more weight on your backside.
The RT is more balanced taking some weight off of your backside. It’s definitely more comfortable when you get used to it.
RT for me, I love the GS but RT is my dream bike.
You won’t be disappointed, I’ve owned over 20 new bikes since 2000. Rt was best of all. Not even close. After full break at 18,000 miles my 2001 R 1100 Rt was A great handling, ride all day and night gazelle, with LOCOMOTIVE ROLL ON.
Have to go with the gs, all day comfort, especially six footers we need to stretch out. So no brainer here both bikes are awesome yet different. Love the channel keep e'm comming. Cheers.
Where getting your motorcycle news is easier than Dave getting his heat seated!!!
Great review. If I had bottomless pockets I would have a GS. Much, MUCH cheaper to drop!!
P.S. Your twin brother Andre has an adventure bike channel called Peak Motorcycles. You should hook up sometime.
Having ridden a RTP (police bike) since 2010 you can say I am biased towards the RT. In 2016 I sold my 2013 HD CVO Road Glide for a 2016 R1200RT. My first work bike in 2010 was a 2004 R1150RTP and over the years of work I transitioned to a 2012 RTP, 2015 RTP (water cooled), and onto my current work bike a 2018 RTP. When I transitioned to my 2015 RTP (water cooled) that is when I transitioned from the HD CVO Road Glide to the 2016 RT. Then in 2018 I transitioned from my 16 RT to my current bike the 2018 GSA low suspension 2018. Having spent many miles in the saddle of the GSA and RT and I have to say I prefer the RT. I am now looking at transitioning from my 18 GSA to a 2022 RT. Both are great bikes nut I believe I am a RT rider at heart.
And as it turns out, I’ve had a GSA for almost a year now. Brilliant bike, but I feel it in the wrists and shoulders after long rides. Sat on an RT the other day and it felt immediately comfortable. I may need to take an RT for a ride. Tell Dave you need to get back in the studio - these were always good episodes.
I’m five foot ten but I didn’t felt uncomfortable on the bike the two days I tried it. I’m also ok with the sporty body position because I always liked on a bike.
I have BMW GS 1250 R, not a GSA, but mine has a week wind protection on long rides , because the wind is too noisy inside the helmet. I also use the GS on gravel rodes but not very often. So, I decided to buy an RT last week. The good looking 2021 bike, is a mind changer! I hope that I got it right. Thanks for the video, it is nicely done’
I’m a long time GS owner so I have to say GS. I met many that never take their GS off road, however I have on a regular basis.
Owned both. Not even close. RT
For two-up riding, the RT is better for passenger. I wish the RT was better for 6'4" riders though.
Excellent review of 2021 models that’s valid for later models. Thank you!
The biggest difference which you missed (maybe Dave's fault) is the 17" front tire on RT and 19" on the GS. RT's ride is much more sportier than the GS, both because of the riding position which you mentioned and the steering angle and tire size. Of course as a GS rider I always preferred the GS, a few times I tried the RT and it wasn't for me.
I own a GS but ride an RT Blood Bike. I find the GS more comfortable but the weather protection on the RT is outstanding. I have found myself on very poor roads on some touring holidays and the GS deals with them much better. The GS wins for me.
I've owned the 1200RT and now own the GS1250. And i have to say i prefer the GS, and that's been over to Norway and most of western Europe on tours.
As a gs rider, i can only say that you can sit on this bike all day an not feel cramped. My previous bike was the r1200r , perhaps similar seating position to the rt. My knees felt cramped since the angle was more acute, even at 171 cm, 5ˋ7ft. I also like the fact you can do some off-road with gs...it’s a great all-arounder and fun in the twisties which one wouldn’t expect for such a big bike. Great review and comparison.
Owned both. Not even close. RT
Owned both also. Not even close. GSA
Gs for young riders - Rt for old rider. Simply the true...
Opinion…It’s a close call choosing between both. I had a 2018 R1200 GS for four years. And I currently have a 2024 R1250RT. The GS suspension I felt was better over bumps and cracks on pavement. The leg room on the GS was also a bit better. The lighter weight of the GS is also noticeable.
I really enjoyed my GS, and I may buy another in the future.
But, the RT has superior wind protection resulting in less rider fatigue. RT is smoother running at highway speeds. The RT shifts smoother.
I think either one is a great choice. I rode my GS about 70% of the time on dirt. I eventually wanted to do strictly pavement touring so I sold the GS for my RT. The RT in my opinion is the better choice for pavement touring but by a small margin.
We all love a seated heat!
200kms a day commuting to and from Brussels, I chose the S1000xr, because of it's agility, while still delivering enough comfort for long rides. (i'm 54 years old, 1m90 and 115kgs)
Same commute for me (Bruges-Brussels) on a 2007 gsa. I am missing comfort so now looking to upgrade to a new GSA or RT. Not sure I’m old enough for the RT though:)
Firstly, a great review/comparison and thank you for taking the time and effort to do it. Much appreciated.
Now, I'm in Australia and a hopefully returning rider, and a BMW fan with it, so this comparison has been highly interesting to me.
Arguably the default choice here, given our roads and vast distances, would be a GS/GSA.
I do like the looks of the GS/GSA - more so the GS though for it's simpler lines, as against the covered in protective angle iron look of the GSA. There's a certain toughness and practicality about the looks that I like.
And certainly looks sell, as does image, with the outback adventurer, Charlie and Ewan lookalike image very fashionable, if you like that sort of thing.
And on practical grounds, I get the protection in case of a drop, the top opening panniers for ease of use, the long travel suspension for advantage on indifferent roads, the shorter final drive ratio for low down pulling power and grunt out of a corner, and the great ground clearance, - for both on as well as off road.
BUT, having simply been to a dealer and sat on them, they're probably not the right bike for me - for the following reasons.
I'm 5' 9" or 175cm thereabouts, with a 30 - 31" inseam. I can sit on a GS, engine running, height adjustment set to low, and with the optional low seat on the low position, and just touch the ground on the balls of my feet, both sides together, or one foot on a peg and the other foot more firmly on the ground, but still just the ball of my foot. Trouble is, the optional low seat is lower because BMW remove a chunk of the padding. A comfy perch for long distance touring it will not be.
Things improve with the standard seat set to low, and the suspension set to low, but then it's tippy toes with the feet, hence being even less secure feeling. It's OK on bitumen or a showroom floor, but if I were to take it off road to even a piece of grass at a campsite and put a foot down into a slight hollow, almost certainly I'd drop the bike.
Yes, there is the low suspension option - but then it removes the extra ride height and suspension plushness for poor road surfaces that it otherwise confers, and hence would be an option I'd prefer to avoid as regards the compromise to ride height and comfort.
So, that pretty much rules out using a GS/GSA for me off road in any measure - arguably one of it's main attractions. Which is a pity as I like the idea of being able to tackle the odd dirt, or well graded gravel road as needed for short distances.
So, if I were to never or hardly ever travel off tar seal/surfaced roads, why would I choose a GS/GSA over an RT?
Well, I don't think I would. Or rather, other than a preference for the looks of the GS/GSA and the Charlie and Ewan image, and if you were over 6' and needed the extra leg room, why would you?
If the leg angle/peg to seat distance is not an issue, then the RT wins in just about every area I can think of.
Better aerodynamics, better weather protection in terms of wind, rain, cold AND heat. With a higher final drive ratio, less engine noise, smoother and quieter, less wind buffeting, and more comfortable thus for long distance touring with a sporting aspect. Sports tourer even, albeit more towards the touring end of the spectrum.
I'm not sure of the comparative lean angles or even if they're published, between the GS/GSA/RT as regards how far you can lean over before the pegs touch down on the tarmac, but I'd be surprised if the RT wasn't at least as capable, if not more capable as a sports tourer than a GS, given the peg to bars to seat ergonomics, and the differences in steering head angle/rake, and of course the tighter/stiffer suspension. An RT is setup to be a road bike par excellence, whereas the GS/GSA is always going to be a compromise given it's on/off road setup by comparison to the RT.
As to looks? Well, I've read that the RT is an 'old mans bike" as if by buying a GS we will somehow look younger, fitter, more adventurous, more 'macho' and will never get old. As anyone can tell you, that is far from the truth and image is just a perception after all and totally subjective.
I personally like both bikes for looks, but I think it would be the RT by a nose; the GS is great, but it's also the motorcycle equivalent of an SUV, whereas the RT has the sense of class that one finds in a refined saloon or sports coupe, coupled with elegant refinement. So for me, the RT probably pips the GS on looks as well - just.
Lastly, I would say this. If the GS is so much more comfortable than an RT, why is it that the majority of police forces around the world have used and continue to use the RT as their mainstay police bikes?
After all, if a rider is going to be on one for 8 or more hour shits, five days a week, then surely if the GS was so much more superior, they'd all be riding them. But they're not, they ride the RT - which seems pretty conclusive evidence to me as regards the overall superiority of the RT as a complete package for on-road use.
Well, that's my reasoning and arguments... thanks for listening.. :-)
Hi John. According to a recent post on some format/forum/whatever, not only am I an old man for riding an RT (I'm 53) I'm also gay. Well, I'd rather have my RT (its a 2015 1200RT) over a Harley, or the adventure bikes or anything else for that matter. It's the style of riding I want to do. I'm in Australia as well. My girlfriend comes with me most of the time, which I love, and therefore not interested in doing the dirt roads. Might change my mind in the future, if my income dramatically increases. You raise some good points. I rode for the Australian Federal Police in Canberra. I could ride one all shift (the R1150RT) and be right as rain at the end. It was like riding in a bubble concerning the elements, it was amazing. As for lean angle.... the pursuit course we did was six weeks long. One of the things we had to do was what we called the cone race. Not those sort of cones, but witch's hats, seven of them, some big, some small which were laid over on their sides. The idea of the race was the first one who was able to able to pick all seven cones, and place them on top of each other. The process was this, stand beside your bike which was beside the cones, jump on the bike, ride through a 'gate', do a ewie on the other side of the vehicle maneuvering area (VMA), ride back through the gate, ride around the cones and pick one up as you did so. So, you had to pick up the cone by its base, place it on your lap, then grab it by the top, ride back to the other side of the VMA, place the cone on its base, until all cones were stacked on top of each other. IF you missed picking up a cone, you'd have to ride all the way the the other side and back. Sometimes I'd miss three or four goes in a row. IF the cone fell over on the other side, you'd have to ride around again, pick it up and ride around again. All this was done riding one handed, maneuvering the bike with your knees and never getting out of first gear. There was no point, as soon as you got into first gear you'd have to shift down and brake, so we were revving these bikes like buggery. Once we had this down pat, half a tennis ball was introduced. So seven cones on top of each other, then picking up that half tennis ball as you did a ewie around it, and then placing it on top of the cones as you did a ewie around them. First one to complete obviously won the race. My point being, these bikes have got some serious lean angle. Like, serious lean angle. And the bikes had crash bars. Try and do that on the GS/GSA, or any other bike for that matter that wasn't a direct comparison to the RT, one handed. There was also another course we did within this course, riding the bike one handed side saddle. The point being, like the cone race, to teach us throttle control, maneuvering the bike with your hips and knees and how far you could get these bikes leaning over, slowly and at highspeed. By the end of the course I went from being a very average rider to a very competent one. Was I a GP rider after this, no. But I could ride the bike to its very limits. The RT's are excellent bikes. There are some joys to growing older, wisdom for one, but the joy of a tour, not having to go hell for leather and risk life and licence at the same time.
GS for long legs, RT for short legs.
GS for poseures, RT for real girls.
Agreed.
The RT. The front end looks less like Crows nose.
If the GS & RT had a baby, would they call it RS?
An overlooked sprog, like the R, which is probably the most versatile of all the formats, because I’m biased 😐
I found the RT cramped. With a 36 inch inseam my knees didn't fit in the the recesses in the fairing. I decided to go with the GSA and replace the windshield if more protection is needed. After one season I an satisfied with the GSA's weather protection.
Great video! I would pick the GS if I had the choice.
Getting the RT in a few weeks my wife and I will be doing some touring on it.
Congrats! Mine is held up shipping to the dealership, hoping to get it this weekend. Fingers crossed.
There's so much room for a passenger . . . . should make two-up touring a real pleasure.
I own a 2018 RT and a 2011 Vstrom. 99 percent of what I enjoy is long distance touring. I’m 5’9” with a short 28 inch inseam. The RT knee angle is not a problem for me and the RT eats miles. Done several Iron Butt days and I cannot see doing that on anything like the GS. My Vstrom was too tall for me so I lowered it and it’s much more manageable. It also convinces me that I don’t do much adventure riding at my age (almost 70) anymore. Picking up the Vstrom 650 is a challenge and the 1200 GS would be even more difficult. The Vstrom windshield puts a burble on my head at highway speeds that I find quite fatiguing. I like my Vstrom but I love my RT.
Great review, waiting for the “baby.” I’m 1.88m, RT is becoming very uncomfortable, hip, knee and foot geometry and old age. GSA with RT fairing preferred steed, failing that it has to be a more exposed GSA. Hoping Dave will have a word with BMW on my behalf.
That is really a tough question. I've owned several GSAs and RT. The answer that both bike are perfect for long tours. Comfy and ease of riding makes them both a treat. Whether you buy a GS or RT, chances are you will be buying an aftermarket saddle, LOL
RT > GS, but GSA > RT... all other things equaling out, the larger tank of the GSA makes up for the lack of fairing, and the larger tank gives more mileage capability.
At 3:25, you said you wished they had a baby. I am 64 years old and own a 2009 K1300S. I believe my sport touring days are over, and I'm looking for a new bike. If I could pick and choose components from the RT, RS, and GS, I think I could come up with the perfect long-haul, street-only touring bike. Thanks for your video!
I like the expression "seated heat" :))
don't forget the geated hrips to go along with the seated heat :)
I have been riding a 2016 GSA for two years and it's an amazing machine. I have been considering an older RT to do 2-up riding but based on the video, maybe I should skip that idea.The GSA is a Swiss Army knife that does everything. Love the bike. But I also love the looks of the RT.
Good review and I agree with the points you raised. I missed the comparison of the suspensions and driving modes.
The answer is very simple.
-The GS is an adventure bike which can be used for road and off road and suitable for tall people.
-RT is mainly a road bike which has good weather protection but not good for people over 1.9 m
2 great options.I own and love the R1250GS triple black, such a great machine. Just love it! Nice rides!
Your RT seating position comments are absolutely correct. Wish this video was available before I traded my 2010 Goldwing for a 2019 R1250RT. RT seating position, noise and vibration are a HUGE disappointment. I installed lowered pegs to help out, but I'm still dealing with noise and vibration. I did lose 315 pounds, but lost reverse as well. Had to add front and rear guards to protect my investment, as BMW provides none. Great video, thank you.
What noise are you describing? The engine? Wind buffeting? How tall are you, maybe you need a different windshield?
@@GaryBe403 Exhaust noise, for sure. Not obnoxious, but louder than the Goldwing. Also the Wing was incredibly smooth and so much torque that I routinely started off in 2nd gear. I cannot take off in 2nd with the RT. Have spent $1,100 on heated Sargent seats and backrest and that has made a HUGE improvement in comfort.
Another great review. At 5' 8" you would think the RT with the lower seat would fit better. I have no issues with the seat height on the GS, it's about the same as my V-Strom. I found on the RT I was canted forward a little more and did not feel as comfortable. I think over a long day in the saddle it could put some strain on my arms and back. When I sit on the GS it feels just like my V-Strom, and I have spent many a long day on it with no problems. Both bikes are great long distance tourers on tarmac, you just need to pick the one that fits you best. The biggest problem for me is cost to buy. There are other budget friendly choices. You will be giving up some of the features but if you never had them you wont miss them.
To me it would be GSA vs RT. RT has better wind protection, but the ergos are better on the GSA. RT comes with panniers, the GSA doesn’t. My 49L topcase works with the new RT. Tough call. If I ordered the bike how I’d want it, I’d get the RT(tall seat, tubular handle bars), off the showroom floor, GSA. I’d still have to get a different screen on either, peg lowering kit on the RT.
I have owned A GS and an RT, I sold the GS bike once I got the RT. The RT is a much better ride. I am 66 years old been riding my whole life, At my age taking a big GS big off rode is an insane idea. Once you get off improved dirt and gravel roads, you have better be one hell off a bike rider to handle these big GS bikes. I have a Honda CT125 to go off dirt with, trust me its more than fast enough on these kinds of roads and trails.
I have both in the 1200 models. The only advantage of the RT is the back seat. My wife prefers the RT when 2 up. I’m 6’5’ and ride the GSA most of the time
On. Y RT I put bar riser and lowered the foot pegs with a lowering kit and rode the RT 863 miles over two days. Very comfortable bike
I have a 19 RT. All the GS models are too tall for me but the RT isn't exactly perfect for riding either. The distance from seat to pegs is too short and this gets worse if you are a short rider as you need to lower the seat to flat foot to the ground which means, yep, the seat is even closer to the pegs.
GSA... have both right now and the GSA is much more comfortable.
"Seated heat" 🤣 That's great! This should become a standard feature on your channel.
"Seated Heat" would make a great call sign if one lives in a nursing home :-D
What was your take on the radar? Also, while most manufacturers seem to be pushing the adv. bikes as off road bikes, but then make dedicated models for on road touring, but retaining the same 33.5" seat height, because of reasons. So for the under 6' population, the RT in my mind makes sense.
Really interesting video, cheers! I love my RT and don't even notice the leg position to be honest, so find it very comfy. I'm around 1.75m tall so maybe i'm just the right height for it. I like the extra wind/weather protection the RT offers over the GS, and also much prefer the looks of the RT. They're both superb bikes and which one you choose all comes down to personal preference. We're fortunate that BMW gives us that choice.
I went from GS to RT. Both great. Did you mention that, while the engines are the same, the gearing is different? RT has taller gearing meaning less grunt initially but smoother and quieter at higher speeds.
Having driven both and owning a GS 1250... The GS all the time every time.
I'm 2.00m tall, so GSA will be the only option unfortunatelly. Love the windprotection and electric screen on the RT. However a GSA don't have to be clean, has a bigger tank and is still a nice bike without the side cases. I own a GS at the moment but I really hate the arrogant BMW dealers who are way to expensive and will not help you, except when you have a brand new bike/ have money to spend. It's becoming an elite club, reason for me to switch to another brand in the future.
Don’t switch to Harley - their dealers are worse.
Great video as always....you have done some info pieces on the Honda Goldwing....how about a review?
On the list. Waiting for it to get to the dealer.
Fully agree with yopur observations on both bikes brother. As you say, personal preference will dictate what you want to own. I really enjoyed riding both, but my long legs prefered the the ergonomics of the GS/GSA. If I could, I would have both in my garage! Regarding the Quadlock, I have them fitted to both of my bikes. In my opinion they are far better than the ram mount style phone holders, but again, each to thier own. Great review as per usual brother. love your work.
Thanks for a great review. As a new 2021 RT owner I believe that you touched all essential issues with the new RT.
Both the GS and the RT are fine machines and as far as their looks are concerned, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think that the GS looks handsome but, having owned three RTs since 2009 (2006 plate, 2016 plate and the new 2021 plate), I am biased towards the look of the RT. However, I don't understand why so many bikers go out of their way to bash the looks or qualities of other riders' bikes. For goodness sakes, if you do not personally like some make or model, just don't buy it.
I've only ridden my new 2021 RT since early April and as of today I have approx. 2400 km on the odometer. Hardly grounds for a long-term review. However, I do agree with your observation about the sporty riding posture and comfort issues. Since my two previous RTs created pain between my shoulder blades, I installed Wunderlich bar risers on both of them, and put risers on my new RT as well. That straightened out the back and got rid of the pain. I've ridden motorcycles for 35 years or so and so far I haven't owned a bike whose factory seat was comfortable enough. I had a local upholsterer install gel pads on my first RT and on the second one I used an Airhawk inflatable pad. For my new RT I went ahead and ordered a Russel Day-Long 'tractor' seat. It should arrive in late June and hopefully it is as good as many riders claim it to be.
As far as the speakers are concerned, I only use a Cardo Freecom set and JBL helmet speakers. Can't regulate the volume with the wunder-wheel but the sound quality does not deteriorate when speed increases. A reasonable trade off IMHO.
I do like the big TFT screen even though I would redesign its layout. Even though the RT is incredibly nimble and fun to ride on the track and in the twisties such as Grossglockner or Stelvio (unfortunately, here in Finland we do not have interesting mountain roads), I would not give so much real estate to the rev counter. During the brake-in period I would look at it occasionally while accelerating but since then, I have only used other views such as navigation, media and so on. The Connected app needs some tweaking as well but, all in all, I do applaud the folks at BMW Motorrad for making it possible to get rid of satnavs.
If you want to spend any time on dirt roads, the GS is surely a better choice for you. Me, I have zero interest in off-roading and this is why the RT is the only bike for me. However, if you are happy with whatever make or model you own, good for you.
Let's all just enjoy our bikes without being snarky and nasty towards our fellow bikers, no matter what they ride.
The RT is much heavier than the GS reason why the GS gives a quite different feeling in acceleration. About the sitting you are wrong I guess, the RT needs to get the driver lower to get wind protection, also wheels size are different. The screen isn't touch on purpose to keep drivers hands in the right place.
Great video. I had a TFT GS 2018 Rallye and now moving to a RT Elegance... very similar and at the same time, very different rides, both top notch.
I have 2018 Rallye also but never go off-road and the RT weather protection is very appealing. I'm a bit intimidated by its size though? In the showroom, it looks massive? Most of my rides are 3 - 8 hours around Scotland not long-distance touring so either bike works but when I change I will test ride teh RT for sure. Not looking at RS as heard wind noise and buffeting are major hassle. I'm 5'8 (178cm) 160lbs. Is the RT ok in town/city?
Drop the GS you add character. Drop the RT you have an expensive bill.
1.9m and taller GS is a no brainer and GSA is better again.
After years of side loading panniers the GS top loading solutions are a no brainer.
GSA tank for those that can do the miles.
You forgot the TFT on the GS can do turn by turn directions.
Illium engine guards are not cheap, but they do an outstanding job of protecting the RT when dropped. Ask me how I know.
RT for me I think, the GS is an outstanding bike, but I never go off road, and in winter the extra weather protection on the RT would be more useful. The RT for me would be a great work horse, carry stuff, commute, go on holiday and weekend blasts. RT I think?
The RT is less common; has great road presence and two-up riding is a breeze.
I’ve owned an RT and currently have a GSA, the GSA is more comfortable.
I owned a 2016 RT, and originally thought it was the better bike. I traded the RT for a GS in 2018 and have found that the seating position to be the most comfortable. I am 6’3” tall with a 34.5 inseam and find that the GS is the winner. The best thing about the RT was the central locking system that the bike had, and the heated seats.
I’m little.... 5’4” short legged too (26” inside leg). Own a R1200RT WC and have previously ridden 12GS and a 12GSA on tests. Owned an R1100RT and 650GS a few years back too.
The main difference for me on the GS bikes are the front wheels. I need to have the preload softened that lowers the rear end so I can get on and get a foot down. But this then screws up the handling, in that the bike tends to ‘under steer’ through bends. Just feels horrid.
Also, my arms need to be much straighter onto the bars, that makes the GS’s hard work. On the RT, I can set the cruise control and drop a hand off the bar to relax it for some moments. The GS’s tend to be much more twitchy when doing this.
I like the GS, but they are not relaxing for me, especially as the RT has enough bodywork to take the wind blast off. That was a reason why I liked the GSA over the GS, the tank was large enough to disrupt the wind blast.
The only issues I have with my RT, is that the short seat is damned hard so get numb bum, and because of the short seat, my legs can feel cramped. I often need to stand on the pegs or put my feet on the rear pegs for a bit to freshen them for a while. It’s very much a compromise but I’m happy to put up with it because the bike is just so good.
So good, that I found I didn’t need a car any longer...... 😁
Owned both. Not even close. RT
Good review thanks. I have the 2020 RT. Only ridden up to 5 hr trips so far but pretty comfortable and my wife says the pillion seat is better than my previous Harley tourer. Windscreen is great too. I am 5’10 with medium length leg so that’s probably why the position works for me. All the other RT stuff like central locking and quick release panniers really useful for touring. GS suits taller riders- seat is too high for me.
Is there a difference in suspension quality? I’d imagine that the GS has longer travel and better able to cope with poorly paved roads?
Taller people do tend to have need for higher bikes; ...as myself, I barely touch heels on the floor seating on my RT - for me it's almost perfect (especially compared to Kawa14concours or FJR, or other sport touring machines). I can't ride GSA, it's too tall. Tryed, but after a week it was good bye and back to well known RT. Previous (pre LC) generation was slightly less sporty as I remember. Great review.
R1250GS for me!!
Great comparison. Thanks
Where getting your motorcycle news is easier than saying ‘heated seat’, but not by much!
Good comparison. The new RT is sexy, but that seating position reminds me of a jockey sitting on a race horse. It may be a better fit for me though as I’m only 5’9 with a 30” inseam.
Now - GS, or GSA comparison?
Quad lock 🔒 did your phone camera stop working after much vibration?
Are the gear ratios the same? I thought the RT might have longer gears
Great video, loved my '16 rt. which I have recently sold to finance the newer version with the twin cam engine. Keep up the good work have a Merry Christmas and a happy healthy new year. See you on the road!
Mr. LWH- I reckon that a person could buy either one of these bikes and never be sorry about the choice.
I don't think the RT is marketed as an all day touring bike. It is a sport touring bike. It is not supposed to be a Honda or Harley.
R1250GS or R1250RT? nah, Ninja 1000 SX is my pick, even though it doesn't have a seated heat :)
Great review. I just ordered a 2021 GS after having a 2011 RT since new. Love the RT (handle raisers and lower seat) but now want to do a little off road - gravel, NOT sand. Always felt comfy on the RT but did need a AirHawk seat pad. Will need a bigger screen (Marathon or ???) and raisers - both height and pitch. May also need side fairings. Ordered a low seat. I’m 172 cm. Can’t get heated seat on a low one but I didn’t use it much being in Australia on the RT. Looking forward to being able to stand more easily on the GS. Never used the sound system on the RT and doubt I would have on a new RT. All through the Sena helmet set up now. Higher GS mirrors will be better as with a touring bag roll on the pillion seat very hard to see what’s behind you. Would be the same with a new RT. Finally - GS about $6K cheaper than an RT. Nough said.
My '21 GSA is the most comfortable bike I've owned.
I just bought both.. ;)
Great information as usual, really helpful thanks. Do you have any recommendations regarding having a passenger with you, GS or RT?
Stick with my ultra for now very comfortable and wind protection 🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦
Good video, thank you! I really like your jacket. What brand is it??
Yeah, I agree.
Maybe in Romania they allow you to test drive bikes here in Canada there's no way they're going to let you go for test drive on a $37,000 motorcycle for 2 hours good luck to you. Even if I went to a used place they rarely let you ride it and definitely not two hours they would be calling the police on me and chasing me down. That's the biggest gripe I have about buying a motorcycle unless the manufacturer is having a special day at the dealership you're not riding any new bikes especially the expensive ones. The best you can do is buy the bike ride it if you don't like it modify it or take it back and buy something else.
GSA. There's just too many vinyards, waterfalls and lakes just +-5 miles down the dirt/gravel road the RT just can't access 🏍️✌🏼🏍️
I've rode 400 pound sport bikes and 800 pound cruisers down dirt and gravel roads. Any motorcycle is going to get you down a basic gravel or dirt road. It's not like you're taking it off jumps...the RT will drive through gravel too.
I am guessing: Short man = RT. Tall man = GS ...comfort is everything if you drive medium/long distance.
What about the suspension comfort of the 2 bikes? I've heard the shorter travel of the RT makes for a less comfortable ride.
Are you using a Schuberth helmet? What mount did you use for the Go Pro?
Thanks. Great channel
@@TheRealYorkshireman What kind of mount do you use for the Intrepid Hero? Is it from RAM Mounts or other vendor?
Good talk mate!
I love my rt but in the summer you are to good windprotected (arms, legs,chest...) i need some airflow winglets like on the K1600 to cool off ,therefor maybe i gonna change my rt for a gs because i ride mostely in good wetter and than the rt is to warm for me
Also the RT's muffler may be supporting the quieter operation but the GS is more open/free flowing.
So for someone who is riding 99% on road with a passenger which would you say I should get?
I would like to have more info about your quad lock!!
What do you want to know about the Quad Lock phone mount?
I. Have had a quad lock on my GSA for 2 years and love it. Very secure on the bike, way better than devices that hold your phone with spring arms. The cover for the phone is solid and adds a bit of weight to the phone, but not an issue.. i highly recommend it. I am 6’1” and love the GSA and the comfort and durability. I put a Sargent heated seat on it.
And GSA has body guards..
RS for the sporty touring