BMW R1250RS vs R1250GS review: Which is best on road?
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- The BMW R1250GS is one of the most popular bikes in the country, but is it the best for YOU as a road rider? In this video we look at the performance and handling of the smaller, lighter and cheaper R1250RS to find out if it's a better way to spend your money.
Thanks to Bike World for permission to use clips from the brilliant head to head video with Chris Northover thrashing hell out of an R1250GS, an R1200GS and an R1150GS: • BMW GS Head To Head | ...
00:00 The bikes and roads I love best
02:02 The BMW Boxer twin engine
02:40 BMW R1250RS weight vs R1250GS
03:04 RS vs GS luggage capacity
05:31 Telelever suspension vs standard forks
06:50 R1250RS vs R1250GS on road handling
07:42 Hayes vs Brembo brakes
08:24 RS vs GS riding position
09:21 R1250RS vs R1250GS price
10:50 R1250GS exhaust sound vs R1250RS
12:40 Which should you buy?
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Things I missed! The RS has an 18 litre tank, while the GS has 20 litres, so there's roughly 2kg of the weight difference for a start! Also, if we base tank range on the claimed fuel economy of 59.5mpg for each, that's a theoretical range of 236 and 262 miles respectively. What you get will vary, but on my GS I see around 42mpg on back roads, and had about the same on the RS (I'm a pretty inefficient rider), so that's a potential range of 167 miles on the RS and 185 miles on the RS.
Also, while the gear ratios are the same, the final drive ratio is fractionally different - 2.91 on the GS and 2.82 on the RS - which will also account for the slightly different feel.
Kicking myself now, sorry! John
Interesting extra points, I've averaged about 53/54 mpg from my 2021 RS. I'm too short for a GS and off roading is a no no these days... I don't bounce well anymore!
@@PCERules I have a 2017 GS1200, and get the same MPG as you. I wouldn't consider myself as a ploddy rider. Not sure whether the 1250 engines are much different when it comes to economy.
My GS has factory lowered suspension, so I can flat foot it (with my 32" leg length). The seat is the standard one, set at the standard height, so the seat to foot peg bend is 'normal' for a GS, and very comfortable.
Depending upon your height / leg length a factory lowered suspension bike, with a low seat, on the lowest setting I would imagine be the same as your RS. Just a thought...
~1.5kg as SG for 95ULG ~ 0.74😉👍👍
What’s is fuel economy?
@@ArnoldClarke 48 mpg with fairly hard riding, because the shift cam engine has so much torque it doesn’t need to be revved hard. This help’s economy
I bought an RS last August, I’m a BMW convert now. Love it. Didn’t want to follow the herd with GS models
How is it on the lower back at distance?
@@triprack hi it’s ok, I’m 1.96 M high. The seat took 4000miles to bed in, very hard at first.
@@Achilles22 thanks. Custom seat and regular bars should do the trick. $30k for a new GS is too big a pill for me. to swallow.
I'm new to the GS after sports bikes. I wish I'd done it years ago. I've no intention of off roading so have fitted Road 6 tyres. I reckon it handles as well as any bike I've had, is quick enough and I'm not a broken man after 100 miles.
Very well planned and presented bike review, extra points for recording some shots in the rain 👍🏼. My unicorn dream bike is a new 1250 GS Triple Black spec’d as far as my wallet will permit. Thanks for this video, always helps me to research other viewpoints and comparisons.
Great and honest review. Not sure why GS has been tagged as a grand dad's bike as I got it along with my XR and really didn't find any need for the XR after I spent some time on the GS, if you can find a hooligan in you, GS will reveal its own...
Hi pal, spoke to you previously, I have now also sold my XR again, I was going for a new gen 2 XR , however the RS caught my eye .. I test rode one and bought one!!
Only a 2019 , but has all the packs .
What a difference from the XR, its little kwirks, when you start it and the whole bike rocks, to the sheer amount of torque with little to no gear changes for overtakes.
I was considering a GS and rode one too, both fantastic machines, but the RS for me was a bike I could look back at and think it's beautiful. I have since thrown wunderlich bars onnand some other expensive additives from them and i could not be happier .. apart from the raised knees, the seat height was incredibly appealing not having to worry about my short legs and coming to a standstill on loose roads etc, it was a light relief after having top heavy multistrada, xr, tiger etc.. the rs is heavy but totally unnoticeable, in fact I nearly threw it over on the first ride with the high side stand . All in all, rs gs both fantastic, but for me i wanted to reach the floor easier, and sorted with bars to make it more upright with a plush seat. Love the bike more than any other, miss the XR noise, but equally on tour or a weekend away it is very nice to relax, twist throttle and go without a change and 64.2mpg can't grumble.
i have owned my gs1150 23 years...I still love exploring country lanes , see a sign for a village ive never seen and off i go....;-)
Brilliant! Yeah - that sounds like what I love doing too. Cheers!
Great review. They both look brilliant. It's pretty amazing how BMW have kept the GS at the top for so long. 👌
As always, the best content.
Yes, I know you are being paid but I thank you for your time, passion, expertise and honesty in doing these videos.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Great comparison. I faced this dilemma a couple of years ago. I'd been touring Europe on my S1000R (yes seriously, South of Spain 3 times) and felt I needed something a bit more suited to the task. Had extended test rides on both the GS and RS. RS immediately felt like an old friend. Low seat height (I'm 5'9" with a 30" inseam), familiar riding position made and surprisingly rapid acceleration made me think it was the bike for me. Then I tried the GS. Sit up and beg riding position felt alien. Lack of fork dive felt alien. Size and weight felt alien. Yet something about it stopped me from putting my deposit on the RS there and then. The clincher was when I discovered the low chassis versions which removed the fear that it was too big for me and I ended up buying a 1250GSA. Had it down to Spain and Portugal twice now and it's fantastic. Mind you I've hung on to the S1000 for weekend blasts at home which was never meant to be part of the plan. 🤣
Thanks for the review which really struck a chord with me. I swapped from a lifetime of naked and four cylinder sports tourers to a GS two years ago and can’t see myself swapping back. There are incredible roads round North Yorkshire where I live, but the surfaces are in a shocking state, so the Telelever suspension and upright position mean I can do 250 miles of nadgery B and ‘C’ roads in a day without discomfort. The heated seats and grips mean I can ride year round comfortably, vision from the taller seat is great, road presence with the extra lighting meaning I’m seen by other road users better than my previous bikes and the whole package just works. However, BMW seem to shoot themselves in the foot by making bikes over-complicated and my bike has been in four times for warranty work in two years. It’s a joy to ride, but clearly built by accountants trying to save pennies on quality to afford the gadgets the marketing folk fling on.
Excellent work and down to earth thinking, as always.
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Always love your content. Straight and fair. Greetings from USA.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
It's never about buying a "better" bike, it's just as you grow older your priorities change.
How true, I went from the fastest Kawasaki bikes available from the '80's to the mid 2000's. Then had a harley spurt for a short time and since 2018 it has been adventure bikes. Riding a Tiger 850 now.
Well there are Grandmasters 65+ still out on the track. Care enough to keep yourself fit and you’ll have years of lively riding on anything you choose. Then keep complacency out and use your experience. ATGATT and you’re GTG.
I'm 29 and still not interested in sportsbikes.
Done R1, Zx 14, Honda shadow and an old gpz.
90% of all my riding ended up being on the Shadow.
Can take my girl on the back. Fast enough for the road. Simple life. Comfortable. Currently looking at a 1290 GT.
I think that back in the day sportbikes were fast and uncomfortable. But now, ADV bikes are 90% as fast while being comfy and being able to "do it all".
And people love it. Sales figures Don't lie.
True statement
Really good review John. I rode both bikes back to back yesterday when my new GS was in for its first service. The RS felt so much quicker than the GS, the GS felt underpowered in comparison. Surprisingly I preferred the initial bite of the Hayes front brakes on my new GS but nothing in it really. Comfort wise, it's a no brainer, the GS all day, literally. I didn't find the RS anywhere near as comfortable and it was very noisy. I wouldn't buy the RS as I already have a GS however the RS really is a superb bike that would suit a lot of riders.
Great video like the back to back comparisons
Thanks 👍
Very good breakdown of the two bikes John 👍
Thanks! All the best, John
Thanks you for good comparison. Trough the generations they've been changing. I'm owing the latest of AC R1200RT and when I rented the latest R1250RT I was baffled by vibrations and more sportier riding position, so it was less comfortable for me. I have never considered RS for myself because of riding position. It's great we have a choice to meet our needs, preferences and anatomies...
good review - having toured on a 1250RS I chopped it in for a 1250GSA - better fuel range was a huge bonus and not having to stop so often, coupled with a better riding position for seeing over the brow of rolling roads in scotland and further afield means the GS can crack on a bit more than the RS in my mind
Thanks very much, and glad you're enjoying it! Cheers, John
More relaxed geometry and ability to navigate anything Mother Nature and the Road Departments across the world can dish out. Often likened to the preverbal Swiss Army knife. I agree. The GS series is a no-brainer. Beautiful bike you chose. All there is left to do is stop over analyzing it and enjoy it. Ride safe and often. ATGATT.
Hi John , great vid as usual I have a GS 1250 as well and there an absolutely imo fantastic do it all bike (keep it on the stops )👍
Thanks! All the best, John
Took an RS out on a three hour test ride yesterday - order placed. An awesome piece of kit and it’s taking me back to my first genuine sports tourer, since my Suzuki RF 900 (there was an underrated bike!) and after 21 years of Harley-Davidson ownership. Can’t wait take delivery👍🏼
I remember desperately wanting an RF900 after reading about it in PB
You won’t regret your choice !!
Great balanced video.
I own a 1200 RS which I've toured for over 15,000 miles, with more planned this year.
I tested the low chassis GS over a weekend and over 500 miles before choosing. Whilst the GS was an excellent package I personally found it less engaging. I find I "ride" the RS whereas I felt more of a "passenger" on the GS.
I come from a sports bike background and am somewhat "vertically challenged" at 5'8", so maybe that explains it.
As you said, we all like different things and ride differently, it would be a dull world if we all loved the same bike. Great choices to have.
Definitely - there are so many great bikes out there, we're really lucky
Have the best of both worlds. I have a gen 2 XR and a new 1250GS. Completely different to ride and complement each other. I had an R1200RS but although a great bike I found it a bit cramped.
@@MH-xd2nd I am very jealous!
After 4 GS since 2014 went for an RS. Delivery next month. Will have the flat bars.
Bought my 2024 RS fully loaded almost a week ago and absolutely love it! I upgraded from a MT-09 and never saw myself riding a BMW (though I have a Mini Cooper). My favorite thing about the bike is its pretty waspish appearance and at 6' tall, its fits me perfectly.
Fantastic! Cheers, John
Really nice work, as usual! Probably the difference in going beetwen the GS and other boxer is down to the gearing, since the GS (Both model) and RT/P are using a shorter finel drive, i noticed when my BMW dealer got me a 1250 RT as a loaner (GSA was in for the service) that was really shifting (i did not chevk the total weight, but i can not imagine that a fully loaded (optional i mean) RT is much lighet than a GS (i did ride even the GS standars, as a loaner) and the RT goes better, you can feel that the GS is 'held back by the low gearing.
Good call - I forgot to look at gearing. Bugger!
Got to love a GS, I think they sound great too. I do like the RS though.
excellent vid very much appreciated , i have a 2012 bmw k1300s hp which i love and is an incredible bike but with it being lightly more towards the sport side of sport touring the 1250rs cought my eye so it could be on the shopping list for next year i think
Great to hear - thanks! John
I just got my 3rd RS, I got an R1200RS in 2015, traded it in for an R120RS in 2019 with 77.600 miles on it and after having done 50.000 miles, I just got the 2023 Sports model 2 weeks ago, absolutely love them, I really do not like the wide handle bars and the more upright position of a GS, I think the RS is actually the only real sports-tourer being sold today as I think a tourer needs to have shaft drive, the only current other option is the new Guzzi V100 Mandello S, but that is lacking the necessary power
Thank you. I am very torn between these two bikes when I replace my F900XR.
I used to own the 1200RS and the 2019 1250GS (TE) and I have to admit I loved the GS, it is the swiss army knife of the BMW range and I took it all over Europe on tour. It took me months to get used to the RS and just then it was stolen so no in-depth thoughts on it except I had bought bar risers for it and I didn't like the position of the satnav cradle. The only reason I got rid of the GS was it was getting to feel too heavy at my age and a little too tall even with the changes made to the suspension and seat. So now I have the F800GT (2016) which is a lot lighter, not as many bells and whistles and just as much fun. PS, It's a shame BMW didn't stick with the belt drive for some of their mid-range bikes.
Love my GSA and was considering an RS to switch. Think I'll keep the GS now :) Its only my 2nd bike, maybe I've peaked too soon?
I have ridden both bikes but not back-to-back, I was very surprised by the RS, on the back roads it was awesome but on the motorway on the way back to the dealer it gave me back ache. My only gripe with the bike but a deal breaker.
The GS was a spur of the moment ride, I was keeping a friend company as he tested a MK1 S1000XR and the salesman looked at my 900XR and said "You won't keep up on that, would you like to take this GS for the day?" How could I refuse? I was blown away by the torque and handling and I don't mind the looks, I have also never been more comfortable on a bike making progress or just relaxing... When the warranty is up on my little XR the GS might get the nod (a used one, I'm not made of money) but the MK2 S1000XR will also get a try.
Difficult choice, but a good problem to have!
My odyssey with BMW started in my 20's, when I fell in love with the R model, which morphed into the RT. Every time I found a new BMW dealer, I'd make a pilgrimage to go and drool at one, but I could not afford one. Life happened and three kids later, I my youngest son got married and mom and dad found themselves engrossed in those things that interest them, and I found myself with an '23 RT in my garage. Boy was I in for a whooping. The bike is heavier that I had expected and I found myself scaring myself more than enjoying the ride. I ended up purchasing a new RS because it felt more like those bikes I had growing old. The RS gave me confidence to ride the RT now. Well since I could now ride the RT with confidence, Why not try a GSA. So my latest bike has been a GSA. I bought another '03. And never looked back. As you may have guessed, I still own all three, and deciding which bike to ride is hard, but I manage. Although I do use my bikes as they are intended. Long rides get the RT, around town I ride the RS, and the GSA is strictly for riding the BDRs. Still have more than half of them to tackle. I worked until I turned 68 to pay for them, and I always have a smile on my face now.
Currently, I own an 23 R1250RT. I am happy with it, but I find I am really wanting an RS more and more. The RT is sporty enough, but there are lots of reasons I'd make a switch to an RS. If mine was paid for, there would be a new RS in the garage next to it, and probably get the nod for the next ride, unless it was going to be a long ride. Some days you just want to go for a quick ride around the block. If I had ridden them both in the beginning, it would be the RS. I got the RT because I had wanted one for decades. Like I said, I am ok with my choice, and someday I might have them both.
Hi John, great video as always. Just been watching your helmet vids 👍🏻 did you ever do a visor/helmet cleaning vid?
No, sorry! I still plan to, but it's getting time!
Where I live the GS costs a lot more than MSRP. I know they add the packages and options, but it's astronomical in prices. Even the used GS market is astonishing.
I like the RS and the R a lot, but the RS face looks like a fancy scooter in most pictures.
Subscribed....good presentation Boss
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
R1250GS TE Triple Black bought new December 2020. 37,000 miles later and never regretted it for a second. Comfort, performance, reliability and satisfaction; I’m happy
Excellent... glad to hear it! Cheers, John
I don't go off road, the R and RS are a no brainer for me. A 17 inch wheel just gives so much more fun in the twisties.
The BMW R1250R LC is by far the best and yet remains under every testers radar. It’s lighter, punchier and sexier than those two headline grabbing behemoths and as you sit in it not on it a small sports screen enables continental trips with ease.
👍not my spec of bike but good on you for showing "bits n bobs",.,.,.??👍take care ride safe
I have owned a 1200rs and a 1250gs both great bikes my back doesn't like the reach to the bars but the tube bar option is a possibility 😮
My 22 gsa has the ability to turn off the comfort indicators however i leave them on and simply regard them as a safety net i still turn tbem off manually but the function is tbere to ensure i never leave them on for miles. I agree with the stick can its a nice oem can money saved there
I have loved the RT models
The RS has a 18 litre tank. That's a bit low for a sports tourer and you get better wind protection on the GS apparently. Plus tall riders always look cramped on them....
The RT is the real answer. Ugly? Certainly. Low, comfortable, fast, 17s, great wind protection? Certainly. It's not an off-roader. But no 500lbs, 100+ HP, $20K bike is. Great vid, thumbs up!
Very helpful, thanks for posting. Used prices for a good GSA tend to be higher than the RS in similar spec due to popularity so now seems a good time to buy the spec'd up RS. Just bought the sport se, which adds a a red frame, different two tone colour scheme and higher, flatter seat so probably with the increase legroom makes for the better tourer, BUT also means bar risers are almost obligatory to prevent neck and shoulder ache on longer runs. The 1200 is notably cheaper than a year younger 1250, so I went with a 2018 1200 RS which came with all the extras plus panniers for a shade over 10K with very low miles. The cheapest I could find a similar spec year younger 1250 was 13K and for a GSA was 14K with similar miles. That swung it for me. Everyone who's ridden one says the 1250 is a great engine but as you say, not night and day better than the 1250. Interestingly, some aftermarket parallel system end cans almost bring the 1200 RS up to 1250 standard grunt in the midrange so this might be something I'll explore but as I saw nothing wrong with the 1200 it doesn't matter to me. Just a shame that the RS doesn't come with the same superb LED main lights as the GS nor with any form f protection for the rear suspension in the form of a hugger or similar. Buying used you tend to find that owners have usually added these things, which in my case they did as well as throwing in a Givi tank bag and Navi 6. It was a no brainer and look forward to taking delivery this week 😁. Having owned over 30 bikes now of all sorts, I can't think of a better engine and chassis than either the GSA or the RS for all round use.
Good choice! I thought the same thing about the lack of a rear hugger
You won’t regret your choice
Im a sucker for the RS... Will own one, for sure
Just got my A license so will have to wait a couple of years to upgrade to such a big bike working on my no claims discount. But window shopping the BMW page a lot and I think the 900XR might actually be the sweat spot.
Check out the linked video, where we review one
One thing i was surprised with comparing my 2003GSA vs the 2020GSA both of which i still own since new, is how much more comfortable the saddle is on the 2003. I can easily do 1000km days without any saddle sore or discomfort but the stock standard height saddle on the 2020GSA is very painful no matter how i position the front/rear height.
Thanks. I have owned an XR, 2 x modern GS 1200 and I also had 2 days on an RS. I really wanted to like the RS...it is the best looking boxer, bar none. Alas, the front end is raked out a bit, so it tends to steer like a truck...and the bars were too far forward for its intended purpose - which is why lots of owners install risers. I agree re the engine - it felt great.
However, the GS is a much better real world bike as you observed.
Now, if only beemer would fit a 17 inch front and the final drive from the RS/RT....sigh...
The R tubular bars mounted to the RS speeds up the steering
That's a great review. I have just traded in my 1200RS for a 1250GSA and I absolutely love it. The RS was a great bike and I was really thinking about a newer 1250 model, but two things swung it for me - at 6ft tall I found the RS slightly too cramped in the leg on long trips, and also the thing you mentioned about the state of most British roads. The GS has much more compliant suspension and I found I could go much faster / smoother on terrible tarmac (which is most of it in the UK). At the end of the day I don't think either bike is 'better' than the other - you just have to figure out which one suits you best.
Definitely this! Cheers, John
@Bennetts BikeSocial the 2023 RS has an option for higher bars, so that could be an interesting update if you can get hold of one.
Wild, I’m 6”5 and pretty damn comfy on my RS. I find the bolt upright position on the GS absolutely kills my back.
Bought a R1200RS as a move from sports bikes. Incredible
Had three GSs, the last a 1250 GSA, all great bikes. Now riding a Multi V2S which is so much more fun to ride and I much prefer the Skyhook suspension which feels so much more planted than the telelever. If I go back to BMW I’d choose the RS, but then I’m short legged and I still feel the GS is more suited to the tall rider who thinks they want to cross Mongolia but can’t get out of Starbucks😜
Presumably you managed to get out of Starbucks on the three GSs you owned?
Nothing to do with price for me I just prefer the RS. They are both brilliant bikes..but for me the lower COG and engaged ride are better than the GS. I swapped the stock bars for Wunderlich bars, and it's even better.
The GS does deserve the unanimous praise and following it has garnered, but I wanted a smaller, sleeker, better looking bike that fits me and my purpose! The RS is a beauty. And I do giggle when I see a GS rider in full adventure gear going out for a coffee (shh, don't tell 'em!).
You should see me when I take the boat out for breakfast…..
Different colour kit - same mentality.
As my dear old Dad used to say “the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys”. My wife would agree with that…
You've probably put your finger on the biggest problem of the GS, the image it has due to some of the owners.
Although I ride an RT and the riders of those have an image, old man's bike or wanna be plod, as for me I can't do anything about my advancing years, except embrace it and be grateful, but I haven't got a single piece of dayglo on it. 😁
@@medler2110 Embrace and enjoy friend - I had an RT (2012) for a bit last year and must have confused a few folk with my petite lady form. Yet, I just felt smug, like I'd been let in on a secret - the wisdom of advancing years unveiled a great bike that would eat up the miles! I traded it and a new R9T for a fully loaded RS. It is my belief that whatever guise of Boxer, we are all winners!
Im just coming up to two years with my first BMW bike, a 21 1250GS. Ive wanted one for a long time and tried several over the years but every time i test rode one it just left me a little flat. That was until i tried the 1250 and saw the Triple Black in the showroom. its done just under 12k been to Scotland for a week , Spain and Portugal and will heading to Alps this year.
Its a great bike but not perfect, but what is. Prior to the BM i owned two Crosstourers, a manual then a DCT , its a very underated bike. Overall the GS is better but not in all respects.
Its been in the dealers the last couple of days and i had an F850GSA on loan, good bike.
Totally agree... I almost home there never is a perfect bike! Then there's always another to hunt for
Any more content on the vfr planned? You were going to show a trackday video?
It's coming - just trying to get time to edit it
I bought a used GS . I had no plan to ride off road, wanted it to ride long distances in comfort. Now I have one who knows maybe I will go get some mud and dirt on it before lunch.
I’m American and many bike channels are from Britain. Enjoyable except for one thing. I often have turn on subtitles to understand what’s being said. Do Brits have to do the same? I love my 2020 RS and even at 6’ 32” inseam find the GS types too tall. 32.5 seat height is about perfect
I have a 2017 R9T and while I love it and while I understand it's a retro bike I wish it had the 1250 RS motor. I'm most likely moving to a Kawasaki Z H2. Not remotely similar but I do love straight line speed.
I had a 900 GFS over a weekend as a loaner, very comfortable but not my cup of tea.
R1250R?
It's a super interesting video - i find myself in a similar situation, except I am on the R1200R, dont see myself going to a GS but i donsee myself moving on th 1250R. Comfort, riding dynamics, manouvrability...Am I crazy?
Not at all! That's the joy of bikes... they're all different! Cheers, John
I have a Givi top box. You can pull the lock apart and recode it to fit the BMW key. You do have to file out the slot slightly as the BMW key is a touch wider.
I didn't know that! Thanks! Do you know where to get the wafers?
Though I just remembered - I use it on the VFR too, so I can't recode it to the BMW key
Two up camping with bad roads is good for the GS because of the large rear wheel travel near 8". The RT and RS can't match that for pillion comfort.
1- I wish they didn’t deem it necessary to brand the Triple Black edition as such, and just leave it as a If-you-know-you-know kind of thing.
2- as I just mentioned on LCR’s review of the RS, I’d feel as if I were wasting the potential of the GS by using it solely on pavement. Yes, I’m aware that’s how a vast majority of GS owners use theirs, but I can’t personally justify leaving so much to waste. It’s like having an S1000R as an inner city commuter or a CRF just to hop down the driveway to grab the mail. RS for me, built to spec at 22k USD😢
Interesting... I never thought about it before. I noticed the roll of the bike when you were testing the sound and playing with the throttle... Do you feel anything under hard acceleration? Maybe in turns?
No - it's honestly not something you feel. Definitely not like a Guzzi!
I've got a 2021 R1250RT and if you had said to me that I'd be buying one I'd have laughed my head off at you, but here I am loving it, it's a very capable bike and the shiftcam engine is superb, it's not my first boxer, used to have a 2018 GS Rallye, but the RT is in a different class compared to the GS, I'd say that it's a better package, more road focused and has the same front end as the GS, the RT is more comfortable and it vibrates less, than the GS..... just for a little bit of background, in-between owning the GS and RT, I had a KTM 1290 sdgt and the RT is on the same level in the handling department, I can see why the police use the RT 👍👍
I love how our tastes change - I never thought I'd have a GS! Cheers, John
just paid off my balloon payment on my GS1250 (same as yours) was toying with replacing it for new then thought just keep the damn thing. It's had previous warranty issues but no warranty now so my fingers are well crossed, however it's German so "what could possibly go wrong"
I've had a R1100RS, a K1200RS, and am now on my 2nd R1250RS. GS is great but the RS has always been the "it" bike for me.
I owned both in the past. The RS has more aggressive riding position and a lot of break dive. GS has better wind protection and higher resale value. I traded the RS for a GS within 6 months. If you want a Sport Touring, get the RT instead of the RS.
RS brake dive depends on whether you're in Road or Dynamic mode.
Shame they don’t telever the front end. Once you’re used to that front on the GS/GSA, there’s not going back to trad suspension. The stability on crap surfaces on roads I ride is unmatched.
I love my 22 RS Exclusive. Traded an excellent VFR1200F. I miss the power but the RS is a better bike overall.
What do you have gain with the switch?
I've a 2020 RS and I love it. It's such an easy bike to get along with and it does everything asked of it, but I think all the current boxer bikes are great.
What's the red anodized thing on your front brake caliper?
It's a Roadlock www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/roadlok-review-motorcycle-disc-lock
We need more of that Kawasaki ❤😊
I own a GS (1200), I have never, and will never take the GS off road, as it's too damn heavy.
I've had it for 4 years now, and I have thought about changing to another bike, but there is no other bike that will match the GS. It really is a bike which can do it all. All except look exclusive... they are everywhere.
However that just shows you how good they are, we can't all be wrong!
I'm fortunate that I do own other bikes, but the GS is the one I tend to go for when riding in a group. It does everything exceptionally well, flatters your riding, is quick enough, handles well and is comfortable. What more do you want?
Well said. And yeah - why dislike anything just because other people like it?!
I've just ordered an rs I've had loads of bikes including the h2sx. I really hope this will do the job, I've sat on one but not ridden it. I always have 2 bikes as I do like to take my other half one the back, she hates the h2sx1000 but loves the vstrom 1000. I only need 1 bike so I really hope the r1260rs will be the bike. I will let you know in a few days when it's delivered. I've owned 34 + bikes and ride 15-20000 miles a year
Honestly, I'm sure you'll love it!
so how did it go? i sold my h2 sx I want an RS 1250 but i also have a pikes peak v4
Considered both, settled on the RT 😊
rode all the boxers and had most fun on the R1250R
So why the GS over the Kawasaki Versys 1000, which you liked?
I find this more sporty handling. I went for the XR over the Versys1000, and now this
I owned a 1250GS Adventure for around a year and recently traded it in for a brand new RS. The GSA was a superb bike, supremely comfortable, massive range from the 30l tank and brilliant fully loaded and 2-up. The downside however was its size, it was freaking huge and wide and tricky to filter or move around the garage. The RS is lighter, commands a smaller footprint and has all the benefits of the GSA whilst being sportier, more maneuverable and for me at least just a little bit more engaging and fun, I also think its a much better looking bike. You do sacrifice some comfort on the RS due to its sportier stance but comparing the handling of the RS and GSA there really isnt much in it, what the RS loses without the telelever front suspension it more than makes up for being lighter & sportier .
Im considering an RS. How is it on the lower back at distance?
GSA has a shorter wheelbase as well as smaller turning radius of a RS.
I was looking to replace my 2005 Triumph 1050ST so bought a KTM 990SMT. It was a fun bike (when it worked) but it showed me that I'm much more comfortable with a bit more forward lean. At the time the only options, in my eyes, were the Ninja 1000SX or the "old man" 1250RS. I test rode both and the RS suited me (almost) perfectly and didn't fit with my preconceptions at all. I bought an RS and love it.....although I'm still hunting for the perfect screen - I doubt it actually exists but I do have a very good compromise now.
Excellent! And yes, I've not found the perfect screen on any bike!
Hi Tony I had the same problem, bought a wunderlich Touring screen. I’m 6ft 4ins and it’s not perfect, but better than the std screen. Love the RS perfect for me and the shift cam engine is brilliant.
The large Givi, in the upper position is best IMHO
Perfect screen? I’ve used MRA VT screens (with the inbuilt wind-deflector) on a couple bikes and they’ve really smoothed out the airflow.
I currently have a Suzuki GSX-S 1000 GT but white finger syndrome after a recent tour to Germany has lead me to looking for a sports tourer without the tingly vibrations through the bars. The GT has a vibration through the bars between 5 to 6k rpm which coincides with motorway speeds. The vibrations were noticeably worse after I had the heated grips installed, so I added Grip Puppies which didn’t remove all vibrations.
So it’s on to finding my next ultimate sports tourer to use for a tour to Switzerland and Italy in 2024.
Like the commenter just above me, I have a MRA VT. OEM screen on the RS isn't that good -- way too much wind noise.
I'd keep the zx6r, looks a good one.
That's going nowhere!
I think they could have given the RS more power as a dedicated road bike the old HP2 was 142 and that was years ago, 150 wouldn’t be difficult with the shiftcam, in the same way there are different outputs for the 950 Ducati engine.
More torque than a Panigale V4 though...
No need - really. The torque will give you an out-of-body experience and you're in 'prison' speeds near instantly.
More hp would just mean more fuel consumption and more stress on the engine, maybe higher top speed but unless you're tracking it (better bikes out there) or in Germany the 220-230kph is more than enough
('22 RS owner)
I’ve bought the triple black RS and just waiting on delivery. Not ready for GS yet though do think I’ll eventually go there. Just prefer the sportier look of the RS. Was close on the S 1000 XR also. In Ireland though it’s so much dearer. €21,600 plus €900 delivery for me. Exact same spec from uk bmw saves a couple of thousand. Ireland such a rip off
I joked with the dealer when I bought my XR that he'd sell me a GS down the line, and that's what ended up happening!
I'm knocking on the door of 60 and have had a 1250 GSA the last couple of years.
What comes next?
I did warn the wife that if she ever found me in a HD dealership to have me commited to a home but they do an adventure bike now!
If your looking for a really good exhaust for your GS, then I highly recommend the Fuel Stealth exhaust made in Kendal, they are not too expensive and sound really good with baffles in or out. 👍👍 I went from a RS to the GS and the GS is by far the better all round bike. As always love your work. 👌👍🏍️
Thanks very much! All the best, John
some people say the r1250gs is too heavy for proper offroad, do you think that is the case? or more to the point, what situations would start to pose a problem due to its weight?
I'm rubbish off road, but for something like the TET it'd take an experienced rider to do it on this I reckon. I plan to do some easy green lanes this year on it, but nothing more. Having struggled to free my CRM250 from deep mud years ago, I wouldn't want to be in the same position on something of this weight.
Every bigsize advanture bike might be fine off-pavement but bad in proper offroad esp if it rains at time in the country you move it cos soil got the bad habit to turn to mud and you might need a crane or atleast shovels (won't help much in mud) or better planks to get it out... same is for sand tbh. So the more deep-thread the tyres, able to fling off mud the better. Sadly that tyres then really suck on the street (unbearable noisy, no grip, not durable at all therefore expensive to ride). Weight won't better the situation... but in that crowd of useless obese adv the ultra low center of gravity will make it the best. 😅
Thank You Almighty God for blessing me I will buy some for myself
Scarred by an expensive 1200gs relationship, i am struggling to find something as comfy for my lanky frame that works as well two up. I would love to find and trust a later GS but the 1250 models are out of my reach. And i would probably still not trust the bloody thing. Big bills,big bills.... Versys is favourite after Helens thumbs up. Hondas Crosstourer possibly? Bah.
Versys 1000 is a great option!
I still think the better alternative to the RS is a Ninja 1000SX, a solid bike, great for touring, sportier and a whole lot cheaper.
I’ve got the Ninja SX at the moment and thinking about the GS. I see no reason at all to switch to the RS.
Thinking about getting my K1300S to be replaced by one of these. Decisions, decisions.
There was no comment / opinion from your pillion!
IMHO the RS riding position really suits orangutans (short legs, long arms) so I’d need bar risers & lower pegs!
And I’ve watched you destruction test various security devices. What about attacking a ‘Roadlok’ like fitted to your GS?
I just ran out of time to get Helen out on it sadly! The Roadlok is reviewed here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/roadlok-review-motorcycle-disc-lock (first hit on Google). Very few of the loads of lock tests I've done are on UA-cam, Cheers, John
I considered an RS but if I get another motorcycle different than what I have it will be a R1250RT.
However, I don’t see that happening anytime soon or ever as I am thrilled 🤓 with my BMW 900 and 1000 XRs😍. Absolutely fantastic motorcycles. Perfect for my wife and I❤️.
BMW=Best Motorcycle in the World 💙🤍
What about the 1250r
What is the best tasting fruit? An apple or a pear…..? It is all about personal taste, preferences and priorities.
I've been looking at the BMW S1000XR but the seat is terrible. It slides you forward into the tank & is a real nut crusher. Get it together BMW!
I owned a 2019 model for three years and never thought that. I didn't notice it on the launch of the new one either
I don't recognise the Adventure bike category. In my my opinion the GS is a tourer. I own a bmw R1200gs. Never goes off road, anyone who has seen the long way down can see that the GS is the worst bike for off roading, may as well go off roading on a Gold wing. Adventure bike is a marketing gimmick. The GS adventure is even worse, don't see a point in having a heavier tank unless you all have the same capacity bike. The GS is a great tourer I love mine. I use to off road as a kid but they were small two strokes which were perfect and a lot of fun
I have never understood why people spend 20k+ on a bike, and then go off road with it. A Yamaha tenere would be a much better choice. But I will admit the GS is a great road bike, I put 78k miles on mine & had no problems with it.
@@marksimpson5218 The Tenere is bad choice also. Don't get me wrong Yamaha make great bikes but the Tenere I'd top heavy and heavy in general. Try pick one up. I reckon I do better on a CRF 250 or similar low CC bike. Itchy boots does OK on hers. She could not pick up a Tenere, GS, Africa Twin or Tiger.
If you were looking at it in car terms, the GS is an SUV, the RS a sporty hatchback and the RT an estate car all built on the same platform.
Get the one with the ergonomics and style that best suits you.
I originally came from a series of Fireblades and my mates rode similar bikes. My mates started to get GS’s (1150GS / 1150GSA) and stated, “Try a GS they are awesome!” I took one look and thought, “Not for me.” I went away from the Fireblades to keep my licence and job etc and now owned a CB1300F, but found it just didn’t ignite anything in me. I went to a BMW dealership to try a K1200S and found it to be taking me back towards no licence and no job. The salesman said, “Why don’t you try the GS?” I explained I had no interest and won’t take the Micky by having a test ride no something I had no intention of buying. The salesman surprised me by saying, “I’m not asking you to buy it, just take it out and tell me what you think, don’t put any fuel in, this is 100% on us.” I rode it and loved it, 15 mins down the road I’m leaning into bends and giggling that there is no way any bike looking like the GS should handle half as well as it does. However at the time a top end Japanese bike was £8k and the BMW as £12k. It took my a fair while to decide to go for it, and brought a used 2008 with about 1000miles on it. Forward to today and I am on my third GS an R1250GS triple back that’s fully loaded and I got it as an ex demo. The current 1250 produces 136bhp and more importantly 105ft/lb of torque. That’s almost as much Bhp as my last 2005 Fireblade and loads more torque, and being honest it’s as much as you can really use on the road. Getting to the RS I think the lack of telelever is it’s downfall, I just can’t see why anybody would want the RS over the GS, the GS can do everything the RS can do in more comfort with better handling, and it can do a lot the RS can’t do.
Hi James try an RS you will change your mind, don’t follow the herd. Regards Geoff
R1250R 🤘
How’s the screen on the RS?
Noisy?
Are you in a bubble?
Neither gives me a bubble, but I find the GS better
Beverley I'm 168 cm tall and when I picked up my '22 Rs I rode all day without earplugs, worst mistake! I love my 'RS but I still have tinnitus from the wind noise. I've added a taller Givi screen for touring, but wear earplugs ALL THE TIME when using the sexier stock screen.
I guess it depends on how tall you are but the screen is one of the things most owners change. For me (183 cm) it was very noisy. I swapped it with a lower one.
@@RG-500 thanks. So tricky, I fancy a bike with a screen for a bit of protection. But do not want noisy screen or head buffeting or having to swap screens.
Just my opinion but the RS is an "and" bike. The RT would have been a much better comparison for your video (again my opinion). Radio, other ergos, etc..Friends with the RS have upgraded to the RT every time. I'm a RT and GS owner and after putting on about 300k over the years on both there is no way to compare the RS to either. Every time I run into an RS owner they try to work the RS into a commuter. It is not a true 70+ mile per day bike, it's better as a in town ride around bike but even then it doesn't have character. I have a MG Griso that is my riding around town being a rebel, horrible ergo's, no rider aides, looks the part, perfect, takes me back to the 80's. My most recent RS friend (now an RT owner) gets that too. No character, The R1250R or R1200R has some character, even the R9T has character, the RS is missing it. Yeah it pulls and basically uses the 1250 engine well but you're missing it, Character is what drives us to own a bike when it comes to in town riding, I get that some countries like the UK have situations that allow an RS to be a commuter but I unfortunately have to put on 100 plus miles a day in SF,CA and I would love a comparison on how to make an RS into a towny bike but it will likely remain a semi boring take on the RT or GS. Again, my opinion.