BMW GS vs. GSA | The ONLY guide you need
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- BMW GS vs. GSA | The ONLY guide you need . BMW R1250GS or R1250GS Adventure. Is the GS or GSA a better choice, and which is the better value? 2021 BMW R1250GS vs GSA. (R1200GS vs GSA)
I've owned both the GS and GSA (adventure). I take you through the important differences that matter in the real world. And we talk price, options and weight - and why the GSA is actually a better value than the GS. Why would you choose one over the other? This is the ultimate video on this topic.
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Great and precise comparison. I have had 3 GSA's, and an 1150 GS prior to that. I am 70, 5'-11" and have no problem with the height and weight. I hope I can ride them till I am 90. Great channel.
Hmmm, I could help out with exercising the stable if needed. Not good for them to sit around and not get some exercise :)
Thanks for sharing
I'm 68 with a total hip replacement on the rhs. I regularly take a friend to do shopping. So his weight 75 Kg the shopping another 40 Kg means that the GVM is close to 500KG. I have the advantage that I have a factory lowered model GSA 1250 with full 3 panniers, my height being 172cm. The only reservation that I have is that the bike is water cooled which is another subsystem that could fail. I had a 2010 GSA which was air cooled, no fans switching off and on. I lowered that bike and when I traded it in it sold very fast, I believe due to the low suspension.
I’m 74 and drive a 2018 GS Adventure. Use a Sargent seat. I used to be 6’. Now 5’10”. 30” inseam. I can flat foot the bike. Surprising. Seat in low position. Feels high. Not totally comfortable that high but utterly magnificent under way. I love it. I have gotten 350 miles on a tank. Problem is cannot get 350 miles on my bladder. My prior bike was a 42 year old R100S! What a shock. I had no idea what I was missing. None. It’s the difference between a 1960s corvette and a Model T.
Keep on riding!
GSA - At any rate, it still comes down to knowing how to ride it (correctly), and what type of riding will take place. No doubt, the best all around bike for may reasons. For anyone looking to actually go off-road, then please learn how to ride it correctly by taking a good off-road class like the ones offered at the BMW training centers, or the Rawhide adventure riding school out west. Then practice practice practice.
On an unrelated - related note, any adventure bike requires a specific skill set in order to maximize what it's designed to do. While some will chime in that this brand is better than that one, and the other is better then this one, at the end of the day, first- go learn how to ride any of the bikes (correctly) so that you'll be better prepared to judge accurately for your needs. Then, go test ride and know that BMW is the only dealer that will generally let you test ride the crap out of any of the bikes pretty much on any given day so make sure to ride it for a while, maybe even a couple of time since it may take a bit to play with all the gadgets, adjustments, etc., then ride it again. After that, you may be like me and look back after 21 years of ownership and realize you made a good decision. (lol). Seriously, don't by a GSA or any bike until you figure out how you'll ride and what kind of riding you intend to do. I love all bikes, but while the GSA is not the best at one particular thing, I'm still a believer that its the best all around everything bike. If you'll be single tracking all day, then go for a smaller dual sport, if you'll be riding across the country (or continent), on road or forrest service roads, or unpaved roads, or occasional BDR's (and maybe taking some of the bypasses if things get too rough), or mountain twisty roads, and want be upright, comfortable, and capable of carrying alot, then GSA is the way to go.
Ride safe and God Bless all of you fellow riders. (Unfortunately I'm out of the game for other reasons, but have enjoyed all my years of riding and ownership)
great points thanks for sharing
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I have owned a GSA, now I own a r1200GS. Why? In my part of the world (Norway), I'm never more than 30 min away from a gas station, often much less than that. No need to carry that much fuel around. And for me, weight has become an issue, mostly on gnarly roads. These bikes are HEAVY now, even though they are very well ballanced. And the standard GS looks better.
Ps: This channel is great, love it! 👍
Great job! Loved how quickly you went through everything yet coved it so thoroughly.
Outstanding job comparing and contrasting the GS and GSA.You've made my decision much easier.Thank you Ian.👍👍
That price and weight comparison chart is excellent. Love your channel. Thank you , take care sir.
I’ve been on the fence over these two models until watching your video. I am going for the Adventure model. One point that is rarely discussed is retail value and you nailed it. Thanks
This comparison literally answered all my questions as I was in doubt between the teo models. Thank you! 🍻
I appreciate how in depth you go into the data of the bikes. Watching your vids is like going to class sometimes. I greatly enjoy these vids,
I appreciate that!
GREAT review...I sat down with paper and pen and followed your numbers. I hadn't really considered the GSA...but you make some really valid points. I'm also a taller rider and love all the ground clearance I can get!! Thanks for the excellent review!
Currently own a lowrider s and am on the fence between the gs or gsa..test rode the gsa last week and fell in love! 6’ 245lbs and this thing is a dream to ride..was leaning towards the gs for cost but your breakdown clearly shows me to go w the gsa..thank you! Great comparison
I installed the combined foot pegs on my GS. They have a rubber part mounted on springs. If You drive standing Your weight pushes down the springs and You stand on kind of spikes like with the Enduro foot pegs. Also these foot pegs are height adjustable. The best of both worlds.
Fantastic review and comparison, thank you for sharing this 🙏
Best most informative video on line , thank you!
As someone who's considering a new GS and wondering about the model differences, this was invaluable. Thanks!
The detail in your content is just mindblowing, damn i love this channel!
thank you
Your videos are so well done and informative. thanks for content my friend. big fan!
Great video man. Good and pertinent info. Subscribed!
Fantastic comparison. If I remember correctly, the GSA has always had less rake than the standard bike giving it a slightly shorter wheelbase.
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. I was going back and forth between the two bikes and I am moving forward with a 2021 GSA in the Rally color scheme after watching this. The cost looks to be a wash over time and the extra fuel and wind protection really seal the deal for me as I will use either bike as more of a sport-touring rig than an offroad bike. Thanks again for the great content.
Have fun!
Me too. I don’t mind adding all the accessories, especially since I’m replacing so many things from day 1, like gear lever, footpegs, shift lever, windscreen, and adding additional protection like cylinder head guards, crash bar reinforcement, headlight protection, etc. I chose it because of the additional wind protection and legroom when doing big miles. Signing about 15 seconds going 60+mph I knew it had to be the GSA. I’m used to sport bikes and my K1600 so the GS felt a little like a naked bike.
Fantastic as always. Thank you very much:) It always makes my day.
Thank you too!
Great review thanks. I have a 2021 GS in Triple Black, i went for the GS because i liked the clean look and didnt like the scaffolding, having said that i do like the GSA also and will hopefully buy one too. The intention is to keep the GS for normal street riding and when i want to go adventuring then take the GSA. I will go for the GSA in rally colours as i feel thats more appropriate for offroad and the Triple Black for the GS for the street.
Like he said they both great bikes you cant go wrong either way and it all depends what you want. What i can agree is dont buy the GS and start adding lots of extras then rather go for the GSA its much better
wow. Mega tech info...thanks for all your hard work putting this content together.
Incredibly helpful information... thank you!!
Great video. Thanks. I’ve had a GS for nearly 5 years but really fancy changing to a GSA
Great Break down and comparison of both models! One of the few channels that actually goes into in depth details about this kind of stuff.
Glad it was helpful!
IF I’m going on an adventure, I’m taking my full size pickup, towing a smaller box trailer with my GS, mountain bike and camping gear inside and a kayak on top. I’ll park at a forest service, public or private camp ground for a week and take long day trips, put a tent and gear in a waterproof duffle for the back.
I totally get the adventure biking and admire those that do it. I don’t want to carry all that shit on my bike and I like to explore when I go to places. For me a GS and if they have Rally in 2023 I’ll get that version. Let’s ride.
Excellent comparison, very well done! The only thing you might want to add is that there is a low suspension option for both models, and for the rider that does no or only mild offroad, the low suspension might help them to feel more comfortable and confident if they're concerned about getting good purchase when they put a foot down. Cheers!
Thanks for the info!
You make a great case for the GSA.
That 8 gallon tank and 320 mile range is super appealing.
Your spreadsheets look like mine, well done ha.
Great review thanks mate!
Excellent review and comparison. Did you ever get confirmation from BMW regarding the differences in take between the two models? Also, I'm anxious to see your 2022 evaluation of the F850 model soon. Thanks again and keep up the excellent, excellent work!
Nice job on your videos...keep on making them.
I was going to buy a GSA, because of the better/taller suspension. But then I found a '17 Rallye edition GS with the Sport/GSA suspension. It's really awesome riding and looking. Also, I never have an issue with fuel range, 200 miles is enough...if I were commuting that might be a different story. I love how my GS Rallye handles off road gravel and jeep roads and trails. But if I didn't have a Sport suspension GS, then I'd go for a GSA. The extra height and travel really make a difference.
seriously helpful! Now i am going to buy either the gsa or a multistrada v4 s - this was great so thank you vm!
Thank you for your work! That help me a lot.
Good information and presentation....Thank you!!
awesome comparison, thanks mate
Really good overview. A big thumbs up.
Great comparison. The best on UA-cam
Great video with lots of details that newer riders would need to pay attention to. BMW R1250's still a bit too rich for my blood. Glad you're putting these and your R1300 videos out!! Keep up the great work.
They are each excellent and over the years I have owned each. Never an issue with them for rme. Another plus for the
Adventure IF you plan to get a GS and then add many of the options is that the higher list price on the GSA will also carry forward to its value as a used bike if you sell it. Options bought separately, add minimal value to the used value in most cases.
Good Comparison Video...
In addition to Rake Angle, I think there is also slight difference in Trail. Also what is your opinion on maneuverability/stability between 2021 GS vs 2021 Africa Twin given AT has Rake Angle 27.5 / Trail 4.4?
Ride a 2019 GSA after two standards, 5’9” tall and 29” inside seam. The GSA is fine though I have used cams to lower seat by about 1” from Wunderlich. I would never buy another standard as the GSA is the better package and feels plusher and handles almost as well.I only ride on road but my height may be an issue off road but weight disappears on the move.
Great realistic analysis. Unfortunately at my status (71 years, 166cm, 66 kg, 400+ km tank range), my 192 kg bike with a 810mm seat height is all I can manage as a sport tourer with some off road capability. The beamer is huge, heavy and financially daunting. But among the best for those who can....no doubt. Like your presentations for the unbiased clarity. Good show.
Super comparison thank you!
Perfect explanation, excellent comparison, thank you!
GSA all the way... i also just pick up my 2021 GSA and took me a whole year to come up with the conclusions that you explained in 13 min, I wished this video was done before.
I also got Klim gear based on another video o you.
Thank you man!!!!
Glad it helped!
Thank you sir for complete details on comparison between 2 models
You can get a low chassis version of the GSA to bring the height down and make seat height less important in making your choice between bikes.👍
Very good information about the suspension difference.
I went with a GS for the following reasons. I found a great deal on a used bike with the entire Altrider catalog and full Jesse luggage setup thrown at it. And at 5'8" and 150 lbs, I was more comfortable with the smaller bike. If I had found an equally farkled GSA with the lower suspension for roughly the same money, I probably would have went that route. But I'm very happy with the standard GS.
Thanks for sharing!
Glad to see you back on bikes!!
More to come!
Recently did an off-road course on a GS Low Suspension. No loss of capability on level 1 off-road. I have 29” inseam and can put both feet down on balls of feet or flat foot one side with minimal shift of buttock. It appears from BMW’s website that the low suspension GSA is same height despite the higher original height. So I am planning to go GSA for all the reasons contained in this excellent video. Many thanks.
Great content! Thanks guys
Bike curious, even though I will not buy either. Stayed with your video 100%. Good info and great logical presentation. Enjoyed.
Nice video! Really helpful. Would you know the difference in ground clearance between the 2 variants?
I just picked up the GSA thanks to this video. Appreciate the comparison. Digging this rig so far.
They Rake angle on GSA is smaller then GS to control the motorbike easier on low speeds. That makes less force on bar to control heavy motorbike in low speeds
Thanks for solving my big problem.....now I know to better go for GSA....soon inshah Allah...good video
These days the GS would be more than enough. Very thorough guide, well done.
Really really really informative
Great review, Ian. Thank you. It's interesting that the GSA has a shorter first gear. I agree with you that it's because of the extra mass of that bike.
V-told is hilarious how he describes the exhaust sound of the GS - like a large bike farting. Ha ha!
Does the GSA come with the Akropovic exhaust or is that extra?
Beautifully laid out the content. It really helps to choose the right bike....
Glad to hear that!
Excellent. Thank you,sorted oout my confusion.
Good review
Thanks
Great video thanks
Nicely summarized.Makes total sense.Thks.
Thanks
Got back from the BMW MOA rally in Montana a few weeks ago…a 5000 mile round trip joy ride from Michigan on my 2020 GSA (low suspension). I’m 5’7” with a 28” inseam and went with the low suspension and find the bike quite manageable despite its beastly looks and reputation. In parking situations I just drop the ESA suspension to minimum and I can nearly flat foot it to back in. Otherwise I ride in the Dynamic suspension and mode settings on pavement, which is where I ride most of the time, except for occasional county gravel roads or fire road to a camp site. I have a K1600 as well, but at 65 years old I bought the GSA as a “bucket list” bike in February last year after spending some time researching and warming up to the model just before the onset of the pandemic…my thought was “if not now, when”? If you’re in to transcontinental touring, like staying off interstates and the “pack mule” functionality of the bike, the GSA is a great choice. You won’t be disappointed.
love ur videos buddy, keep it going
Thanks
Brilliant video mate thanks for sharing 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Well done...thank you!
Awesome video!
My opinion if anyone wants it-
I’m 6’ 1” and own a GS.
I don’t like the luggage racks on the GSA.
I don’t like the bulk (some of it disappears under movement)
I love the clean look of dropping the Varios off the sides and going on an evening or a morning ride.
Off-road- the GSA is a handful. As far as suspension travel-
How many people on here can even come close to bottoming a GS suspension out?
Being a little closer to the ground is better for off-roading heavy adventure bikes in my opinion.
Wind protection- get the Puig… it’s cheap, and many people say it’s the best.
Foot pegs- the GSA has better pegs. Get the enduro foot pegs.
Crash protection- Use half the money you saved from not buying the GSA and get the oem lowers for the GS (the fairings aren’t anywhere near the size of the GSA, it’s all you need), and if you feel like it maybe some bark busters and folding mirrors/clutch/brake levers.
If you don’t feel like it that works too, the bike is already pretty tough, and if you break something, just pop it back on with some zip-ties.
Good point about the GS suspension. When I’m riding rugged rocky off-road sections I’m picking my line and not going too fast. I’d buy the GS with the Rally suspension if it was available only because I like to take my gf, otherwise just take it easy.
Your analysis makes sense if the BMW OEM parts is what you want to add. If you want to go to the aftermarket, then that changes the conclusion. If you like the BDCW pegs and skid plate, if you like the Alt-Rider engine guard bars, if you want Denali lights, if you want a Puig windscreen, if you want Touratech luggage racks, or whatever after market brands you like, then it makes less sense to buy the GSA and put all those extra parts you paid for on a shelf.
I considered this question very long and hard in 2017 and 2018 before finally purchasing the GSA. I chose it for the fuel capacity which to me was the only thing I couldn't replicate on a standard GS to any satisfaction. I live in a place where fuel stations can be very far apart (Alaska) that the ability to ride and essentially never experience "fuel gauge anxiety" between stations in remote areas is a bigger plus than I first imagined. The height never bothered me but I always wanted my wife, who also rides, to be able to comfortably ride any bike we own. She never felt comfortable on the GSA until she was moving and experienced a lot of anxiety over dropping the bike in parking lots and at stop lights. Even with a factory low seat in the low position, she felt insecure. When my front shock seal blew out (unfortunately a common problem at around 15k miles) I elected to change the suspension to GS height using the TracTive ESA compatible setup. With the upgrade in components, the reduced travel is a non-issue for my riding style but it makes the bike fully accessible to my wife. This does not take the bike to the factory lowered height and ends up being a great compromise in travel and ride height. I own three other bikes that all do some things better than the GSA but none that do everything as well. I think that sums up the GS/GSA pretty well.
thanks for sharing
I used to live in So Cal and would visit Riverside BMW often. Great crew there. I ended up buying a used 2012 GSA in 2015 for $15000. It had 18000 miles at the time on it. I live in the Sierra now and forest roads abound. I replaced the ESA with Tractive manual adjust shocks and it’s still rolling strong. I think I’ll roll up to the pass(Sonora Pass) today. It just opened and an ADV bike is perfect for these parts.
awesome to hear that.
thanks for the info.
Very well done video! I had a 2017 GS Rallye and optioned it about as high as one could. I’m 6’2” and in hindsight should’ve purchased a GSA but only to save money. Having said that, and something that’s not considered here, I really don’t like all the silver on GS’s or GSA’s, and went the Touratech route with black everything. Aesthetically I had a great looking bike, equally as capable as a GSA except for the range and weather protection. Kindof splitter hairs but it depends on your focus/interests/personal preferences. I never wished I had more range.
I’ve owned both GSA and GS and actually prefer my GS. I like the lower saddle height of the GS as well as the ease of convertibility from long range travel to the clean look with no panniers. Much of my riding is done sans bags.
I’m ready for a break after 200 miles so gas not much of an issue. I love both bikes but love my decision to go with the GS. Happy Trails Folks.
I do miss the look of the sporty naked GS. My GSA always seems huge
i do like the GS as it looks more sexier than GSA which looks are affected by its tank design but when you beef up the accessories the price comes nearby
My first time on your channel. It is so hard to find any meaningful information on UA-cam these days. THANK YOU! for the objective analysis and for providing all important data. I would choose the GS for looks; I don't plan to go 350 mi without a stop.
Glad it was helpful!
Great info! Thank you
good detailed video....
I went for the GS and put on SW Motech crash bars and luggage. It's a touring bike for me, but when not touring, I can easily strip the "scaffolding " off... and I'm down to the clean look again. But that's what worked for me, given how I use the bike and what I wanted. Great information.
Great point
One thing i like abt him is that i Feel most of the time he is honest👍
I have been learning a lot from your videos, thank you! Can you please comment on how much less the gs provides wind protection on the knees and legs compared to the gsa? ie Substantial, minimal, keeping the legs tucked to the tank resolves any disadvantages... Upper wind protection is typically manageable with different screens siizes. Although, the gsa does have those little wings on top of the fairing. Also, the bmw dealer does not have any gs, gsa, rt used or new in stock to sit on or test ride.
Nice vid. Questions: What about the lower first gear on the GSA? Is this an option or standard on the GSA? Are all the other ratios the same? Is top gear ratios the same between the bikes? RPM in top gear at 60mph? thx
Great. Do on comparison with the new tiger rally explorer vs the gsa great review
Great video! Thank you very much!
Thanks for the heads up on the Rake and Trail. The did change it for 2021.
2021
Rake - 25.7 degrees (GS), 24.9 (GSA)
Trail - 4.0 inches (GS), 3.8 inches (GSA)
Wheelbase - 59.6 inches (GS), 59.2 inches (GSA)
2019
Rake - 25.5 degrees (GS), 26.3 (GSA)
Trail - 3.9 inches (GS), 4.1 inches (GSA)
Wheelbase - 60 inches (GS), 59.7 inches (GSA)
I am surprised because I thought they would keep the chassis the same.
So what difference has the rake and trail change made on the GSA in practical riding? I took both out at the BMW Rider academy and couldn't see the difference. Assuming both were 2020s.
Both of them are GREAT bikes.... I just tested a GS 1250 and I felt incerdible... It was like I was riding that motorcycle for a long time even if it was the first time when I was riding it. I never felt this when I rode a bike for the first time. I'm a Honda owner but I my next bike will be a 1250 GS (or GSA, I hope -::)). Thanks a lot for this video!
I'd be curious to hear such analysis for the triumph tiger 850 vs the 900 rally
Fantastic comparison video!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thanks for the great information
You bet!
Any chance of extending the video to incorporate the changes between the 2019 to 2023 models . With the new 1300 coming out it would be good to know the differences between the 1250 models for those looking at buying used bikes. Great channel
Thank you.
I have the 2023 R1250 GS and absolutely love it 😻
Congrats 👏 nice bike
Informative video, thanks ,
Glad it was helpful!
Great jog Ian! I am
Looking at a std GS vs a GSA… I think the GSA wins for a multitude of factors…. Thanks for helping!
Great details thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
THANK YOU
I know this is an “old” video and I'm kind of late to the party, but I would have liked to have all the data you’ve presented in the metric system for all the guys out there watching your videos who are living in Europe (like myself), or any part of the world where the metric system is used. Yeah, I know, I could do the conversion myself, but who has the time and patience really nowadays…?
I really like your videos Ian, I hope you don’t mind some constructive criticism and love how your channel has grown and continues to grow! 🍀
I’m not sure if this changed in 2022 but I bought a gs1250 rallye premium package and it came with the sport suspension, luggage racks, crash bars, those aux lights, pretty much everything that the GSA has. It was totaled to 25000. 26813.86 after tax and title registration