Femininity And Romance Are Bad... Apparently
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Today we talk about the new Snow White remake, starring Rachel Zegler
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The part where she offhandedly states that the Prince's part could be completely cut is disgusting. Imagine disregarding your fellow castmate's role in the production like that.
Well if you ask me, Rachel Zegler is basically just spitting in the face of her fellow male co-star Andrew Burnap when she says those lines out of hatred towards boys 😠😠😠😠😤😤😤😤
Yeah that really rubbed me the wrong way too. I got the impression that's exactly what she wants to happen.
she really claimed the prince was stalking Snow White, while COMPLETELY ignoring the evil witch, who was ACTUALLY stalking her AND wanted her dead!! AHAHAHAHA 😂
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Another big reason Rachel is getting hate for is saying Snow White was just a cartoon. It was the first Animated Feature film, and helped shape the world today, as Disney became very popular and successful. It’s not just a cartoon. It’s also the reason you have a job, Rachel.
How could someone be so disconnected. If Disney’s intention is to bring an audience into the movie for the sole purpose of hate-watching it, choosing Rachel and the overall cast was a genius choice. She hates the project, hates Snow White & the dwarves and is just there to make bank😆 it’s a shit-show.
Honestly not surprising. Since many creators these days or actors. Seem to have zero self-awareness of what came before. A good reason why history is important one might say.
For I lost count of how many defenses of poor media, relay on no other piece of media existing. Like the Marvel being silly. Anytime a claim of being the first happens.
It was literally Walt Disney’s first big break and her audacity to just call it a cartoon 😡
She's so snarky and entitled
Love this holistic take. I always trust you to bring that X factor on the conversations in modern society. And you deliver, ma'am. Amazing work as always ❤
It’s so funny that the qualities that they are trying to instill into girls are the same qualities that they call “toxic” when men have them. Being overly competitive, obsessed with power, abrasive, insulting and degrading the other sex at every opportunity, etc.
the hypocrisy is insane
@@user-vj6ws1op4uStella from Winx Club. She's a great character. You even have her Enchantix form. You have taste dear stranger.
love her!!! she's so great@@baronsamedi5741
"It's never wrong when a woman does it"
That's how these barnacle-heads think
When men are gentle, it’s great.
When women are gentle, it’s bad.
When men are tough, it’s bad.
When women are tough, it’s great.
Logic!
“People are fans of Snow White. Not necessarily you. And people are turning up to watch the film because they like Snow White. Not necessarily because they like you” That was savage.😬
Lol I literally scrolled to this comment right as she started saying it
@@neb2504Which part of the video?
@@neigeshusband5327 12:53
It's true though: that's the point of being a good actor!
Some more things to note:
-Snow White came out during the Great Depression. She wanted to help cook/clean because she didn't expect to be given lodging for free. She wanted to earn her way, which is a value that although still holds today, was especially appreciated during this time. Also, given her background, cooking & cleaning was probably all she knew how to do that could help.
-Snow White WAS F O U R T E E N. I don't understand how the equivalent of an eighth grader/high school freshman is supposed to "girl-boss" her way out of a kingdom where its ruler (and her sole guardian) was out to kill her. It also gives context as to why she so easily falls for the cute prince who looks her way after years of abuse.
**Which brings me to the next 2 points, which relates to at least Cinderella as well:
-Snow White, like Cinderella, grew up in an abusive household. Both ladies grew up as the servants of the guardian that was suppose love and nurture them since they were toddlers. They essentially grew up without love, so OF COURSE they would dream of finding it! They've been deprived of any kind of love during their formative years, and people have the gall to scoff at the princesses when they hope to one day have something that many of us take for granted???
-Kindness is a strength, as is optimism. It is so extremely difficult to be happy and kind when the world has been cruel to you. Kind people are not weak people. Kind people are not dumb people. They are strong and resilient.
Bravo!! I couldn’t have said it better myself.
On the subject of leadership, and this kind of relates to Snow White's age: during the time period the movie was set it, people were expected to marry very early, especially the ones in noble families. So even when they usually got married in their 20s, people were taught their duties at a very young age, and there was no concept of the teenager (that was just introduced in the 40s, and _Snow White_ came out in the 30s), there was just child and adult. By managing the household of the Dwarfs with the help of the animals, Snow White was already showing her leadership skills. When she would get married, while she wouldn't work the chores herself, she would still need to manage all the servants, in all areas.
Edit: I want to add that leadership is also relevant to Snow White becoming a mother, since parenting can be considered a type of leadership. She would need to instill good values into her children and discipline them if they do wrong, and we already get a glimpse of it when she had the Dwarfs wash and behave for dinner.
Zegler's idea of leadership seems to be that it's only relevant to politics and only in the "girlboss" way.
I love what you said about kindness being strength. Just as you said, it’s even more remarkable that these women showed so much kindness after what they’d been through. Having strong character is so much more than being a stereotypical girlboss. Really liked your other points too!
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Yes! This, very well said 👏
What Hallie said about the little mermaid was so redundant, because that was EXACTLY Areials reason for wanting to go on land, she just happened to fall in love with a cute guy along the way.
I feel Disney fed her that line, because like Patience said, it's the same for all the Disney remakes, only some of them have said it with more poise and respect for the original than Rachel has... my beef here is with Disney, not Rachel...
Yeah, Eric was just one half of the tipping point for Ariel to finally go to land, the other half being her argument with her father.
Exactly. It is like they forgot that Part of Your World was not about the prince but more abt freedom and adventure. Notice that when Sebastian discourage Ariel from going to the land, sebastian does not mention that "the princes under the sea were handsome and dreamy". Sebastian, on the other hand, sang a whole chorus about how lives under the sea can be fascinating. That is because the reason ariel wanted to live off shore was because she does not belong under the sea. Especially since she is often grounded by King Triton
In original movie, prince eric basically just cherry on top. I can see ariel think that "i can go to land and be with this handsome guy? Why the hell not!"
The original little mermaid by H.C. Anderson was about a 13 yo girl who fell in love with a prince and when he just see her as a little girl in need and is indeed engaged to someone his own age the time the mermaid was given ends and she dies. It was about teaching young girls not to risk their life and future for a man.
We have to bear in mind that the original Snow White is 14. A 14 year old girl who is sweet and loves animals and gets shy around a boy who shares her attraction when she’s not looking her best, who does chores to repay the kindly dwarves. She’s a textbook nice kid, and I had no interest in girlbossing when I was 14. It’s such a harmless story
This!! And it also makes me think of how Disney popularised their stories without the needs to have morals taught to children in the end, they're here to tell them stories. In the 2010s this moral thing was incorporated as it had never been before and now every Disney movie needs an explicit moral. Snow White did not need this because as many other successful movies (let's say the 1990s), it did rely on storytelling and yes, you can absolutely deduct some sort of moral between the lines but that wasn't the point of the movie :/
Tiana is such an antidote to this trend because she was a girl boss who wanted her restaurant at the expense of everything else. She didn't leave any time for friends, for love, or for letting anyone help her. She wanted to do everything by herself. It took a whole movie for her to let love in and realize how much she was missing out on. You CAN have your dreams and still have room for love, friendship, and allowing people to lift you up when you need it.
Even PATF came off as a little preachy. And when Frozen came out, I knew for certain the company was planning to make the future princesses a hot mess of singles (some even going to the extent of queer-baiting).
PATF’s execution of making room for love as well as a career (a good message but wasn’t done in the best way possible) was a warning sign for the current problem we are seeing-“Princesses don’t need no man!”
Excellent point!
I agree. The Princess and the Frog romantic subplot is one of the few I can say has some smart elements.
I know romance isn't meant to be intelligent or insightful, but I want a romance film that is a serious meditation on love for once.
Romantic subplots and films pretend to be about love, they're just a glamorized, purely pleasurable thing that appeals to an immature fantasy of romance. I don't need anymore of Twilight's melo drama and f3t!shizing emotional pain. Not Kate and Leopold's perfect guy and lack of problems. And not the random hookups of R films. I want a film that tries to understand love, getting just a little philosophical. 99% of romance in media just can't help but depict simplistic, sugarcoated, overvalued ideas of romance, and I'm not even asking for realism, just care about what love is.
Plus, more and more girls want to take advantage of our opportunities. Or need other opportunities because of the absolute state of the dating pool right now. We might not need more single, diligent and good women represented, but it would be nice to have an ideal to strive for. Again something anime does right.
The only shows/films that explore love is a few anime and films that weren't romantic. Please suggest something good, so I can stop being negative, lol
People forget that fairytales like snow white were told to children to warn them about issues they may experience in life. Teaching them to uphold good values and to be well rounded, all themes that should be relevant and taught to children today.
More notably these children also had real lives and lots of guidance. I doubt most girls of that era only thought a Handsome prince or anyone else was going to give them a carefree life. Almost every child was raised with work and working with the family in mind. That was life back then. Modern attitudes is to constantly look back and stupify these people.
It also taught kids to be cautious of strangers giving them food, but i guess that message is also so 1937 then 🙄
Looking at the vast majority of kids nowadays: to late. It was the boomees who stopped caring about personal growth for their children.
Love ?!
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Someone needs to make a cautionary tale about Snow White '24
"We're empowering women by insulting everything about femininity and saying you need to be fixed."
.....How is that not the most misogynistic take ever?
Thats just internalized misogyny 🙄. Legally Blonde showed that any feminine woman can be intelligent and while sticking to their feminine roots
Hollywood in general has never been known to be all that bright to begin with, so it doesn't surprise me that their idea of "fixing" these films is turning good female characters into toxic male characters with boobs.
@@autisticscreechling4950 Exactly I heard a rumor they were like a mafia to begin with 🫤
Yet so many of them also think that masculine men are the spawn of satan lol
LMAOOO " toxic male characters with boobs " is genius@@autisticscreechling4950
The funny thing about this is Rachel keeps blaming men for the comments said about the movie but more women are bashing her and her ideas.
Kind of proving the entire premise of the ORIGINAL Snow White . . ? 🤔
@@cmm5542 Most of us are neither jealous of her, nor feeling threatened by her.
We do feel like she needs a little lesson in humility. We are feeling protective of Snow White and what she represents as a female archetype.
That makes us fully vindicated in schooling this idiotic airhead. Don't see anything wrong in the reaction she invoked. She could have said - I'm grateful for this opportunity and will give my best performance.
@@cmm5542elaborate please
@@cmm5542lol no not even close🙄 we are bashing her for putting down other women for valuing femininity and romance. We are not sending a huntsmen after her because we are jealous of her femininity and beauty 🤦🏻♀️ If anything she’s like the evil queen, burying the original Snow White
The prince was Snow White wish. She is singing by the well she tells the doves it’s a wishing well. And she starts singing “I'm wishing (I'm wishing)
For the one I love
To find me (To find me)
Today (Today)” then the prince appears. He is her wish, he is not stalking her. Disney was all about the magic. Wishing upon a star in Pinocchio and the fairy godmother in Cinderella for example.
Exactly!
Yes! That was the magic that has been replaced
Holy crap I have no idea how many times I watched this movie but I never put that together 🤣😅
The thing about old Disney princesses is they all had different personalities. Now they’re just the same person in a different box 😭
So true
I am intrigued, mind explaining more about the issue? Kinda want to understand ur point of view here
@@joonicraftsman2136I think what he means is each Disney princess had distinct personality traits that characterized them fairly well. Unlike now they're all bland, arrogant, moronic mannequins who only serve to be a mouthpiece for feminist rhetoric.
Ammm they are
The worst part is that both parties are wrong in this story.
Snow White as well as Cinderella, as not about love.
Is a social commentary.
Both Snow White (a princess) and Cinderella (Gentleman's daughter) comes from the rich, back then if you were born rich, you were treat different, so the fact that both have a step-mother that treat them as peasant is morally wrong.
Marriage was an economic proposition, Both get what they always deserve when they marry a prince (someone with money or title)
Other similar stories are Jane Eyre, Pride & Prejudice.
I agree that there stories need to be change if they are going to be told again, because time have change and I doubt young kids will get this impression of the film.
@@joonicraftsman2136 The original princesses varied in motive. Jasmine and Cinderella want to be free from their stifling home lives, Ariel and Belle want to explore other worlds, Aurora and Snow White are just trying to survive attacks from their respective villains, etc. Whereas modern expectations for women are a lot more limited and even reductive. All the actresses quoted in this video put down the "dated" ideas of female characters being romantic or nurturing. Now female role models are expected to be independent leaders, because anything else is considered dated.
As a student of Film in Uni, the thing that annoys me the most, is not the fact that they keep changing the stories, characters, all of that, but they give it to people who HATE the original..
So true!
And this is literally one of the pinnacles of Filmmaking history, not just in Hollywood, but in the entire world. We finally achieved the peak of filmmaking, the ability to bring our imagination to life, and this is what it's being reduced to now...
ikr like why, did she audition for it? If not, WHY REACH OUT TO HER???
If she auditioned for it.......WHY PICK HER????
I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
yeah same thing with witcher. directors were hating the books.
@@akabaneaki Maybe because hate is always a stronger emotion and motivation. People are more likely to leave a negative review than a positive one. If it was good, they just go on with their life. If it's bad, they want the world to know. These people hated the story and want to erase them and replace them with something they prefer.
It's massively impressive how Rachel is doing a speedrun to the end of her career. She might set a world record at this rate.
She’ll girlboss her way into a semi-lucrative Onlyfans that will be popular for about 6 months before everything is leaked online.
She gunning to take Kathleen Kennedy's title of "Bitch Queen".
I don’t know why femininity is seen as such a bad thing in modern society. I love being a woman and being feminine. I love nurturing my family and those around me, that's what makes me happy. I have zero desire to go out and boss it, i hate all of that. And that should be okay and in fact praised just as much imo ❤ great video and congratulations xx
I think these women who play princesses in the remakes completely misunderstand their characters. It is annoying. Also, there’s nothing wrong with wanting love and companionship. It’s a nearly universal human desire
Halle Bailey was Ariel, though. A lot of people ruined it for her. She embodies her entire essence, and sense of wonder and she was very ethereal and mysterious. I was worried she'd be defensive but Halle knocked it off the park remaining unbothered like an otherworldly creature.
And yet somehow you never see a story about a male prince focused solely on being saved by a princess with a kiss?
@@nailinthefashion bruh what😂 they met for two seconds she had a crush, then her stepmom tried to kill her. She begged for her life and the hunter let her go free. She had no qualms about living with the dwarves and earning her way there. It was only because her stepmom just couldn't stand the thought of her being alive that she and the prince got together. We have no way of knowing if she would have stayed in the forest had the kingdom still had a queen.
Of course this is just the Disney version. I bet you're the type to think Cinderella did nothing as well
The way the main actress talks about the original prince, some creepy guy that essentially stalks her and makes her uncomfortable... sigh... this is what they're putting out to millions of young girls to think about men.
@@suezcontours6653 HALLE IS NOT A CREATURE! !!! SHE"S A HUMAN BEING!!!
These women speak as if they’ve never seen the films. Belle was independent and wanted to go on adventures. She read a lot and had a mind of her own. She sacrificed herself to save her father, and then brought the Beast home and nursed him back to health after he defended her from the wolves. She fought her way back to save him in the end. She is anything BUT passive. It’s just ridiculous. I could go on and on
Absolutely correct! Belle is the "strong female character" the new productions are so desperately trying to portray
Couldn't agree more! I feel like some people only see one side and ignoring the other side.
What I love about Beauty and the Beast is in fact that BOTH the characters save each other. It's not just the woman who saves the man. This is what true love is much healthier and nicer to a relationship: being equals. I couldn't find chemistry on the 2017 remake for their personalities. Belle was too "strong woman who doesn't need to cry or feel weak" and the beast wasn't really into trying with the only girl in the castle. In the animated version Beast was giving all himself to change, and Belle was giving all herself to save the ones she cared about, and crying when she needed to. This is not what I saw in the remake. It's just horrible.
I'm confused cause thats what it sounded like Emma Watson was saying o.o?
@@munchiekins The problem is that Emma wanted Belle to be femminist as possible, but the character already was a femminist in the classic, only done right. What I vent for is that with Emma I don't see anything related to Belle. Belle is a character who is supposed to feel weak in comparison to the beast, and scared. And Emma acts too "I'll do this! I'll do this!" For example when she imprisons herself in the cell. In the classic Belle just made a promise to the beast to stay with him, but the beast never wanted her to stay in the prison, meanwhile this is not what happened with the remake. That was just so dark. And the fact that she tries to escape from her bedroom afterwards? I mean, if we're supposed to see a "strong" girl then why she stayed in there instead to continue to escape? Because this remake had to follow the same steps with the classic, but everything is just bad. I don't get why girls can't feel sad anymore or weak for something big that happened to them. I really don't get it. They always have to stay strong because yes. 😐 and these movies are making male characters feel like they shouldn't even exist, which is bad. I don't understand why it can't exist equality. This would just make a better world and good lessons to learn from, especially for children.
I’m the most feminist hippy dippy person I know and Snow White is the only Disney princess I can really relate to. I hate the girl-boss narrative that’s being pushed down our throats. Not everyone wants to be hyper competitive people. A lot of people (including me) flounder around people who are constantly trying to climb each other to improve themselves. Snow White always just minded her business and cared about people. Her whole thing is being a little aloof and naive but with good intentions which I related to the most as a kid 😭 some of us want to be awkward cutie pies
Are U British ?
Being a feminist in 2023 is completely useless. You have equal rights.
@@nthuthukomdluli1052 I’m Mexican
The entire origin, history, political philosophy and theories of feminism is to force women into girl-boss roles in society in which they are pushed to be socioeconomic equals to men by the state, which it's ironically mostly controlled by men. Traditional Western Patriarchal cultural norms like gender roles, marriage, sex, gender hierarchies, etc... are all consider evil and oppressive in feminist ideology because it places women as the feminine, helper, nurturer, submissive role to men - therefore it makes sense then that feminists would consider 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarves' as just another oppressive fantasy made by men. I wonder then how it's possible for a feminist hippy like you to identify with a female character that is the complete opposite of what it means to be a feminist. I can only imagine you either have a very ignorant or superficial definitive idea of feminism.
I really want to go back to the days when princesses are allowed to show the more gentle and demure side to them rather than girl boss their way through the story without accepting anyone's help
Protect this woman! Woman want love. It’s not a bad thing. I’m so sick of boss girl culture. I don’t want to do this all on my own😢
I'm so sick of being single😢 I'm a homeschooling minor, with some crap going on in my life, and this last year I've just been really wanting a strong and loving boy friend that will just snuggle with me while watching the sunset or looking at the stars! People are not meant to go through life alone. You can be a strong AND independent woman while still having a life time partner. There is nothing wrong with love or loving someone to the point of getting married or living together. I think it's healthier to have a life long partner. And statistically, people live longer when there not alone.
Don't feel bad if you just want love. You are probably a very strong person if what you desire most is to have a loving relationship ❤
I love how everyone hones in and disses the princes who are just nice guys but they always overlook the plethora of horrible step mothers, witches, step sisters, abusive female bosses. They always overlook the fact that these girls overcome these abuses.
That's because the radical feminists identify with those women; the mean girls and the bullies. They don't identify with the emotionally intelligent, soft, kind, warm, feminine, caring princesses because that's not what they are. Everytime I hear a woman refer to Snow White or Cinderella as weak women who contributed nothing, it tells me more about that woman than those characters, AND it shows how she sees other women who are soft and feminine as inferior.
After reading your comment I realized most of the Villainess or villain are women, lol
@@doll.ov.poetrii4682Hit the nail on the head.
@@doll.ov.poetrii4682yup. There isn't reason they blame the princes and not the villains. They blame Charming, Philip, Florian, and Eric and not Grimhilde, the stepmother, Maleficent, and Ursula
@doll.ov.poetrii4682 That’s actually a really going point and a good analysis. They feel called out by the original Snow White because they miss the mark of being feminine
I AGREE with you. I am so tired of femininity, basic kindness, nurturing, wisdom, and women's inner strength being considered something that needs to be fixed!
Also, congratulations on your up and coming marriage.
The same thing goes for the princes. To them their women are goddesses and so special that they want their love interests to be able to focus on her just being herself. Their women should be able to just be and not have to deal with the BS the world throws at everyone. It may seem like the princes are being controlling but the princes see it as being protective. "You do you and I'll deal with the nonsense and unpleasant things because you're so special those are the kinds of things my love shouldn't have to deal with."
@BiggieTrismegistus right and it’s kinda the same as a dad providing everything so his wife can be a stay at home mom. Feminists see it as controlling and “potentially abusive” when it’s really the greatest privilege ever. To not have to go out and fight and slave away for someone who couldn’t care less about you? That’s a pleasure. And by the dad doing this, he’s sacrificing everything for his wife and family. He does it so she doesn’t have to. And to imagine feminists see it as controlling. What a shame
@@awsambdaman -- let's not get carried away. Let's not conflate the personal internal strength of women, with those men who more times than not, view those traits as weaknesses and DO ABUSE HER. Ask me how I know?
Family Financial Abuse and the full feminine representation of women in Hollywood are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 🤨
I heard somewhere, if you want to destroy a country, destroy their women first.
Romance is so beautiful and lovely. It is not something to shut down or hate.
Seems like they are just mocking that.
this is why i adored the little mermaid live action, they made both ariel & eric unique and fleshed them out wonderfully as individuals but also allowing them to fall in love while also being their own separate characters! such a cute fun movie that made me feel like a teenage girl again daydreaming about pure romance
@@axel45823the Ariel/Eric part was probably the part of live action we enjoyed the most. But it was literally like over 2 hours long and they STILL changed the climax which they shouldn’t have. Eric was supposed to kill Ursula not Ariel who knows nothing about ships. Plus they made her sing along too”under the sea” which makes no sense as she doesn’t agree with the song. Anyway I can go on and in about why thec1989 classic will always be superior. Especially since Ariel is supposed to have red hair.
But cool atleast you found SOMETHING to enjoy out of the remake. Funny how you say they made both Ariel and Eric unique when many ppl say they made him the MALE version of Ariel. He was interested in the seas and collected items. As Ariel did with land stuff
You're right. For some people it is the center of the universe or just good feeling and that is fine. Romance is natural (usually). But I see the other side too.
(sorry to just randomly rant).
I agree. The Princess and the Frog romantic subplot is one of the few I can say has some smart elements.
Though I know romance isn't meant to be intelligent or insightful, I want a romance film that is a serious meditation on love for once.
Romantic subplots and films pretend to be about love, they're just a glamorized, purely pleasurable thing that appeals to an immature fantasy of romance. I don't need anymore of Twilight's melo drama and f3t!shizing emotional pain. Not Kate and Leopold's perfect guy and lack of problems. And not the random hookups of R films. I want a film that tries to understand love, getting just a little philosophical. 99% of romance in media just can't help but depict simplistic, sugarcoated, overvalued ideas of romance, and I am BOMBARDED with this fake romance, even though I would like to think about something else. Single, diligent and good women might not need representation, but it is nice to have inspiration. I'm not even asking for realism, just some care about what love is.
The only shows/films that explore love is a few anime and films that weren't romantic. Please suggest something good, so I can stop being negative, lol
Great stories are timeless. People still need reminding that real beauty shines from within and caring about people is worthwhile. Not everybody can 'be a leader', but everyone can be a good character.
Amen! Louder for the people in the back!
I think that’s a good point. I also think that good leadership is appropriating and encouraging the strength of those around you.
I think it is also very interesting how the actresses are being so defensive about their roles.
People who think with their emotions and identify as victims as soon as something doesn't go their way do NOT make good leaders.
Agree and disagree, as in, thinking with emotions isn’t necessarily bad, as long as those emotions stem from valid reasons. That being said, I can be angry and think with that emotion in mind, but that doesn’t ming I’ll act angrily, if that makes sense. The victim mentality drives me crazy as well
@@nayakepler thinking with emotions is not necessarily bad but it is not wisdom and is not how a leader should evaluate the world and make judgements.
That’s makes a leader unsympathetic and distanced
@@juanchoresultay2704 No. You are thinking with your emotions and thus proving my point. It's helpful for managing children but not for making decisions that affect nation states
@@StimParavaneyou did it yourself just now 😅
That previous guy had a valid argument. And you denied it without a futher thought, it seems, because you are defending your previous argument.
A good leader has not only reason and justice, but empathy and mercy.
No, a good leader is a balanced human being, who does not make too rushed decisions, but also does not ignore or delay help from people in need.
To be unable or unwilling to act on your emotion makes one a bad leader and unbalanced human being. Of course wisdom is needed too, but overcalculation of your reactions is not a sign of a good leader.
Snow white is digging on the prince. She wants him to find her. That isn’t stalking. Some of these younger generations are messed up in the head when it comes to social cues and courtship.
Courting is a long dead forgotten art.
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The other thing that these new actresses are forgetting that the actresses in Cinderella, and Malificant realized is that their live action films are still period in the 15th century our so, and back then princesses married princess to help further their kingdoms prosperity and such, Snow White would have learned how to be a leader of her people or taught how to rule with her husband and so Rachels point is pointless, and stupid. Her father would not have let her now be educated in how to be a leader, and women were far stronger leaders and more violent with their femininity than the ones running around playing with swords like Joan of arch. Did Rachel not learn anything from Game of Thrones? plus weather she is 14 which is how old Snow White is in the animated film a young teenage princess, not a adult princess, and back then even at 18 you were still not treated as an adult you were still a child. I hate the fact they push our time onto these period films and such. if you think it cant be relatable with out putting modern things in than all these foreign films are pulling the wool over americas eyes, cause they can keep within a time period and not push our updated ways onto the story, they can use the updated feelings and such, but as long as it makes sense and Greta and who ever wrote this crap also did anyone see that most of these story lines are stollen from the other Snow White tales? its not even an original adaptation of the cartoon anymore its stolen property. and Rachel spilling her guts about it will causee them to be sued and I hope that happens.
So true! I’m also shocked by the amount of popular videos on youtube about “how to detach from emotions/people” We’re turning everyone into narcissists
She probably has never been stalked.
I totally was innocent as Snow White, when younger, but I got bitter due to very horrible stuff. Now, watching this video, it reminded me how it is important to have a clean and good heart!I will try to be better again
You are amazing! The best people are the people who went through sh*t and decided to grow from it. The fact that you want to make an effort to be "better" shows that you are amazing just being you!
Hey. You doing ok?
I never watched the princess actress’s interviews until Rachel’s came out. I’ve since watched the others, and have gained SO much respect for Elle Fanning. Maleficent was honestly such a good movie.
It gave us two different portrayals of women who were both feminine. Aurora was soft and kind, while Maleficent was strong, bold, and of course, full of rage (rightfully so as told by the movie.)
Both were powerful and important in their own way.
Characters can be feminine AND strong. Femininity doesn’t negate strength.
How can Hollywood know what a woman wants if most of them cannot define what a woman is?
Exactly!
Bahahahahahaha!
It's more proof that the mainstream movie industry can't think up an original story, just more remakes. It's sad.
If only that were true they’d have more success. But they don’t just remake. They are creating their own propaganda hiding as entertainment, attacking the values the original was based on.
Hollywood has no ideas
Don't worry. ChatGPT will save Disney from it's destiny 😂😂😂😂 Long live piracy. They'll never see a penny from me ever again. This pest control stream of events is long due to The House of Mouse
Tbh (not saying you’re wrong) but Snow White and many of the fairytale movies are taken from German folklores from the Grim Brothers
Not only that, but all the remakes they’re making are significantly worse than the originals.
Love your take on this. I'm a middle aged professional woman with kids. I want my kids to be kind, love animals, fall in love and have the fairytale. Being a girl boss is not the be all and end all. This woke nonsense has to stop. You are a very wise young woman. ❤ I'm a subscriber right now. 😊
I love how Rachel is trying to send this 'message' to other young women to be "strong and not need a man" while she's showing off her boyfriend on FB like what kind of hypocritical shit is that!??
@@Bella-Mae0422 it's not hypocritical at all. It is entirely possible to be in a relationship and not depend on the other person for your own happiness. Those are the best relationships.
@@Bella-Mae0422How in all things that are holy does she have a boyfriend?
@@ShriveledSpleen they met on set from whatever movie they were in together.. so I don't get her message myself when she has a boyfriend like wth is she trying to put into these young girls heads!?? I'm a mom to my toddler little girl and I don't want her growing up with this nonsense in her face bc girls like her trying to normalize the "boss girl" act as If this feminist sh*t isn't so bad already enough with women competing to be 'better' than men as it is. She says one thing on camera but then goes home and snuggles with her man afterwards. Her boyfriend must be so proud of her 😂😂 nobody likes his gf and she pretty much blacklisted herself bc nobody taught her to keep certain opinions to herself, if she knows this is the "woke" generation since she is a Gen Z you'd think she's also be aware that this is also the same generation that supports cancel culture. She could have been the next rising celebrity but ruined her career less than 15 mins bc she thought it was ok to embrace her narcissistic behavior on camera.
I'm seeing other people write comments about the Great Depression that make some great points, and I wanted to add on to that. Even though the story origin is much older, Disney definitely ran with themes that would appeal to the audience of that day. I think Snow White was very relatable to people because she was someone who had been born to prosperity but was cast low by circumstances outside her control. Despite that, she didn't let her circumstances beat her. She was willing to do the lowest of jobs and wear the filthiest of rags with an unbroken spirit and a song on her lips. Snow White was the embodiment of humility and hard work. She told people that they too could survive their trials and have a happier future.
Is anything allowed to just be wholesome and normal anymore? I get wanting to take things in a different direction but if it's not broke don't fix it.
By the way congratulations Xina you deserve the best 🙂
Be it actors, writers or some other type of creator. Most seem to have very little understanding of story telling.
They always seem to view things from the lens of. X is a problem or if your not the action hero boss, your character is totally worthless and has zero value. Which is very limited world view. Even when other characters beside the action hero tend to be important. Like the legendary blacksmith who is the only one who can reforge the blade to slay the immortal dragon.
Which the idea of a timeless story doesn't seem to exist with this mind set. For not everything needs to be updated for modern times. Since part of the charm of a story or reason it works, is that it set in the past or a culture with different standards. Which given disney standards for remakes. I doubt anyone working on these films knows the original story like the back of their hand. They would be unable to know what truly work and what failed with the original tale.
Little mermaid being a good case point. With how they have a villain sing a song and keep it the same as the original. Which leads to the issue of wait a moment. Who is she saying pathetic to in the new version. For in the original she whispers it to her minions. remake is she saying it to the viewers? Ariel? It just doesn't seem to make any sense. For the song is meant to get Ariel to agree to the deal. Not make her go x to doubt. In the case of Snow White here. They are changing so many things like the seven dwarves. Why not just create a brand new story at this point? For it seems to only be related to the original Snow White in name only.
@@tacticianAlexandra Very eloquently put and yes I agree! I think that's why a lot of people are going off blockbuster movies (they'll still go to see them but they probably won't enjoy it), because they have the same issues. Disney is probably the worst offender of all you described though and I hope they wake up soon otherwise they're going to have a serious problem on their hands as no one will be watching their movies anymore, not even Marvel or Star Wars (and those two franchises have had their fair share of criticism over the last few years and as a die-hard Marvel fan even I agree with some of them). Having said that, movies like Guardians 3, Barbie and Oppenheimer prove that if they get the right people behind it they can still make a genuinely great film, so I think that Hollywood needs to just re-evaluate their strategies.
I mean, I Thought a remake of Snow White could end with her marrying someone other than the prince.
Because Disney's movies have been criticized for making girls create high expectations for finding a partner.....
Snow White not getting with the first handsome guy she met is a bit more realistic and would help calm those critics down.
The worst part is that both parties are wrong in this story.
Snow White as well as Cinderella, as not about love.
Is a social commentary.
Both Snow White (a princess) and Cinderella (Gentleman's daughter) comes from the rich, back then if you were born rich, you were treat different, so the fact that both have a step-mother that treat them as peasant is morally wrong.
Marriage was an economic proposition, Both get what they always deserve when they marry a prince (someone with money or title)
Other similar stories are Jane Eyre, Pride & Prejudice.
I agree that there stories need to be change if they are going to be told again, because time have change and I doubt young kids will get this impression of the film.
How is a random man kissing you while you're sleeping wholesome? Like, wtf?
It's ok to be a strong woman and find love. You can learn from a lot from being in a relationship just as much as being single.
In a fairy tale I'd imagine most men would prefer that they'd have a woman they love to share the rest of their lives with. No one would look at a "strong man" and think less of him because he had a woman by his side. They certainly wouldn't think lesser of him for having a partner. That's part of their "fairy tale" so I don't understand why it can't be that way for women too.
@@BiggieTrismegistusI've thought this for some time! Surely it's 'misogynistic' to suggest wanting a life partner makes a woman weaker, but doesn't weaken a man!
Also the vast majority of people who are perpetually single express how miserable they are about it. Finding a life partner doesn't have to change you for bad. You can still be an independent person in a relationship. Men aren't nearly as oppressive as women in a relationship in my personal experience anyway.
You can learn just as much from being single as being in a relationship. Partnered people do not inherently have more life experience then those who are not partnered
@@msnewsenior I agree, but I wasn't saying one has more experience than the other. I was speaking of them equally.
Acting like a classic Disney princess is a strength, not a weakness.
You combine kindness, beauty, caring for her loved ones, battling (mentally and physically) for what they believe in, RULING A FREAKIN COUNTRY, love, and girl power/independence. Princesses are just the best.
As still a young woman myself I find it so sad to see people say that being feminine now is like being stupid and ignoring ones natural leadership. I grew up with that kind of mindset thinking my femininity is what makes me weak cause i grew up in a abusive household and rejected everything about my feminine identity. Now that I finally got a stable life I am starting to embrace those things and try to catch up on what I missed in life. And to now see my favorite Disney Princesses's stories be trashed on and dragged through the mud because of that same immature thinking that I had when i was younger is just saddening. Women can be strong leaders and be nuturing and loving and kind to others. These films are basically putting us in the same situation men were and still are in- these people are forcing us women to reject our nuturing and kind side and our want for love and replace it with being stoic, showing no interest in others and just be focused on achiving a goal that'll give us fame. Sure not every woman wants love but that doesnt mean we have to portray wanting love and being nuturing and kind as a weakness and that only the women who want to be strong leaders are on the right path.
My dream since I was 5 has literally been to marry a loving/supportive man and be a stay at home mom with as many kids as I can get, and lots of animals, and a garden and fruit trees, and just a place to be the mother I have in me. It's been a 13 year long dream!
I wonder how disney would twist my story/dream to be more "strong women material".
She’s very narcissistic for someone’s who’s been on 3 failed projects(soon to be fourth).
Exactly. 😅
I read somewhere that they canned Snow-white for now...
Idk, West Side Story 2021 was okay. I don’t like her attitude, but she was a pretty good Maria.
I hope her career shortly ends after this remake shitshow 😂
@@juanchoresultay2704😂 come on bro that's a bit harsh.
Yes, as a woman, I'm not just here to be a love object for men. But I also don't just want to be ambitious and a "girl boss". I'm a complex human being and have multiple needs. I have ambitions in my life AND I want love in my life. I'm thinking of what I want and where my boundaries are AND I want vulnerability and connection. I'm analytical and assertive AND I'm sensitive and empathetic. I like sports AND I care about my appearance. I'm capable, but I also want someone in my life at some point. It's not an absolute necessity but I'd still really love it. Why is that a bad thing? It's not one or the other.
It also ridicules women that may prefer to be stay-at-home-moms bc they feel like that's their goal in life or any other things that's seen as "traditionally feminine". Shouldn't the point of femininity be to support the ambition of all women? Not just women that strive to fill roles that were traditionally male-dominated.
I don't need men to be dumbed down in movies to feel better about myself as a woman, either. I'm not a toddler. I want men to be presented as capable human beings so that we can start to build healthier and more authentic character dynamics in movies. Now it feels like you need to lower men to a standard that we can reach. That's mutually degrading. I want mutual respect. I want movies about working together, both the men and women (and everything in between) presented as capable. Different strengths that are painted by individual personalities that can be used to play off of each other. I want to think about how we can make a world where we can co-exist instead of only wanting to make it better for one group and undermine the other. I'm so done with the resentment towards each other.
I'm so done on the constant emphasis on gender. I'm more than just a woman. I'm not like every women. Stop talking like you know what I want.
Thanks for your comment.
Men and women are quite alike, we both need a lot of things, and being balanced is a good goal. And both need each other, in a wider sense of scale too.
But noticing what in you is from being a women or a man is also good, because those things are real and are better sorted out in our lives if we take them as real characteristics.
Well said.
I feel like the OG Animated Mulan did this well.
Mulan is a character boys and girls can empathize with while being realistically feminine (besides the whole disguising as a guy theme). She’s an everywoman who rises up to protect what she loves, and it pays off
This is a fairy tale and escapism. For this genre, people expect beautiful male and female protagonists and romance and happy endings. As simple as that I think.
This movie is written by Greta Gerwig and another writer, not Zegler. West Side Story is a love story, right? And The Hunger Game prequel she's in involves a love story between her character and the male lead. So maybe she was just trying to sell the movie. But she is definitely condescending and too smug. She may be a product of past Marvel superhero movies that had all these strong females hanging with guys making sarcastic jokes. The US has sitcoms in which characters are often exaggerated and made fun of with sarcastic remarks. Since Disney acquired Marvel and Lucas films, they were busy milking off of these franchises and not producing any female characters that were wholesome and innocent.
There’s literally no point in calling the movie Snow White. They literally changed everything that I love about the movie.
You nailed it. Not many people are commenting on the actual meaning behind Snow White and these movies of the past. They're much deeper than anyone realizes. Thank you for commenting about the themes of female jealousy and such, these are important themes that young women are missing out on if they only watch modern remakes.
I keep thinking: Isn't this what villains do? Opposing the concept of love, having a lust for leadership/power, a certain sense of arrogance and entitlement, spreading vitriol wherever she goes... Rachel Zegler is a Disney villain! And just like a Disney villain, it appears so too is her career about to dramatically fall from a high place at the end.
You’re right. They’re idolizing the personality of a psychopath
Best comment here 🎉
Now ur just overthinking,she is just an actor
I don't think her career was in a high place to begin with
Azula from Avatar
The fact that she can call Andrew a "great dude" and insult him in the same breath just blows my mind. TBH if I were him I'd just dip and terminate my contract. Don't get me wrong, I think he's smart for not creating drama and staying silent, but I feel really bad for the guy.
Same. But perhaps he's a pragmatist who is staying focused on the fact that he's got a job and playing a Disney Prince Charming will be good for HIS career, even if it flops, as long as he keeps out of the drama.
@@cmm5542 *Prince Florian isn't even in the movie.. Andrew Burnap is playing/portraying Jonathan {The Forest Ranger} who collaborates with the ✌🏽🖐🏽"No No No Scratch that.." Enchanted Forest🌲🌳 Creatures!*
The moment he raised his voice, all feminist groups will blame him of patriarchy, Disney will fire him and shadow ban his career. Rachel will play victim as usual. He is not raising his voice because of DEI gangs.
You are so right! Snow White could've tackled a very real problem that not a lot of movies do, narcissism and jealousy. It is very relevant in this social media era, it could've been so perfect 😭
Also, congratulations ❤
My late Grandma, who would be in her 90s now, showed this film to my sister and I when we were little.
She was a progressive woman - she worked on a farm and while going to school and then she met my pop - her only romance. She was a wonderful mother and grandmother. She ALSO had a career and did volunteer work at the church. She ALSO had a CAREER, was a wonderful cook, looked after the house and lived her garden. She had many friends and hobbies and travelled the world. She was about respect and KINDNESS. She helped me with my alcoholism and supported gay rights and obviously women's rights.
She loved this movie and she was a PROGRESSIVE WOMAN- by today's standards too. I think we need some of those older values back.
My sincere condolences for your grandmother.
@@CloudyWolf713 ❤️
I wrote this comment under a different video about Snow White.
The 1937 Snow White was a strong woman! She was the embodiment of how we had to pick ourselves up after war, financial problems and a pandemic.
She was abused by a family member but kept her wits up with music and hope.
She was almost killed by a guardian on the orders of her parent. But he couldn’t because she was so nice and innocent.
She cries in the forest, but pick herself up once she understood her crying scared the animals.
She then starts a new life taking care of others. Again music and hope keeps her spirits while going through this.
Her doom was believing in the goodness of other people.
Her impact on the dwarfs was so strong they drove the evil queen to her death. And love from the prince that came to say goodbye broke the curse.
It was not the prince who saved her. Her love and nurture of everyone around her saved her.
She probably ruled as the most beloved queen of all time! Her kingdom would fight for her if a new war would come!
Snow White is the image of selflessness. Everything she does is for others. The evil queen is the image of selfishness. Everything she does is for herself.
But sure.. boss-babe won’t let anyone mess with her!
I wonder what makes such a fierce no-bull woman accept the apple.. I imagine this Not-so-Snow White would slam the door in the face or the old woman, make sure she has no need for anyone and make the dwarfs take care of themselves! What do you need love for anyhow! The new Snow White is the new evil queen: The image of selfishness.
This is brilliant 👏👏👏
Yup, I hate the narrative that she wasn't already strong & powerful, independent, it just takes critical thinking & deeper analysis to understand the meaningful messages & themes in the original Snow White.
So true!
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besides, even _if_ the original snow white wasn't strong and independent, we have to keep in mind that she was literally only *14.* why are we expecting a literal kid to be "strong" and "independent" and criticizing her for longing for love when it's completely normal for someone at that age to do so?
It's so weird to me how much Disney hates romance as if things like Korean dramas (which are full of romance) aren't in the rise in the west to the point that there are western women going to Korea trying to find their true love 😅
Fr. Women in the west are so starved for femininity and romance that we have to now look for them in non western entertainment. I started watching Kdrama in my teens in the 2010s because I was tired of all the girlbosses in western entertainment that I could not relate to. Over a decade has passed and Hollywood is still not taking note of this rising trend. Western TV is doing so poorly and most western consumers are looking at Asian conten.
@@chrystianaw8256 The thing is, Hollywood doesn't represent the majority of people. It is a small enclave of people who are mostly Liberal, live privileged lives, and love to virtue signal, and have a deep seated hatred towards Conservative values.
@@chrystianaw8256it might also explain why men are going overseas to find wives. Because in these lands femininity and romance is treated as a personality failing or as bad. Listen to girls and women of today, and you will hear taking care of a man in anyway as something bad. The saying " what do I look like doing that for a man".
The messaging we get as children makes the adults of tomorrow. Disney and every movie and tv show is sending the message that love and family is not something to seek. Their real messaging is you should chase money and success by going up the corate ladder. Service corporate America rather than your family. Women and men are tired of these messages from media.
It’s the same thing with masculinity and male heroism. Western super hero shows and comics are dying while Anime and eastern comics are earning tens of billions of dollars in western sales. They have protagonists with tenacity and resolve to go from zero to hero, the kind of story that western writers insist are dead and need to be subverted.
@@MechAdv People are hungry for stories about people who are able to overcome adversity, and about people who are heroic and virtuous and optimistic.
I have a sweet spot for snow white. It really makes me angry when anyone goes after her as if being a loving mother figure is horrible. I feel like Disney is trying to make carbon copies with all these girl bosses. It's getting old
100%
What people also don't realize is the skills that Snow White has already. She can cook, clean and make the most out of a bad situation which I think are pretty good traits. She's been abused by her stepmom and neglected yet she still finds happiness and the will to continue on. Most I know including men would be bitter towards the world at this point. To have the will to still be kind regardless what's being thrown at you is a strength. Just cuz you want some romance and someone to sweep you off your feet, it doesn't make you weak. I've been in those situations where I worked hard for so long and when I got the opportunity to finally have someone else take care of things for me, it felt great! Some women want that! We're human and we were nurtured (or should have been) before taking on a working/nurturing role ourselves and obviously, one would miss those days and wanna be nurtured again in a different way this time.
They insult the movie goers and are the surprised when their movie flops.
I'm sure if Rachel kept her mouth shut, the movie might have had a shot of doing well.
Nah... after that photo of the 7 "magical creatures" was released, everyone knew what kind of film this is going to be lol
There's surely still a lot of people in the world that heard non of this bs, but will go to the cinema when they see the so far good name of Snow White. Otherwise, there are also people obsessed with the ideology behind it and go to the cinema exactly because of the backlash despite not caring about the movie Snow White itself. So we'll see how hard the movie will flop, but it won't be good for Disney in the long run in any scenario.
In my opinion, another perfect example of being a "girl boss" while being romantic, loving, and caring is Sailor Moon. She fought and defeated every villains and monsters, even aliens and the most powerful beings in the galaxy all while powered by her love with Tuxedo Mask and fellow Sailor Guardians.
And let’s just hope Hollywood keeps it’s greasy mitts off sailor moon.
Technically Sailor Moon is far from being a girl boss, her teammates were more like that to a certain extent while Usagi was the crybaby and slacker. But at least, occasionally for the final battles, she did find the strength within her to step up to the plate and defeat the baddies on her own without external help (well through the power of friendship but let's put that on inner strength).
@@StephOMacRules are you kidding me? How many seasons did you watch? Did you ever read the manga? Do you know anything about Japanese culture? Sailor Moon is a representation of the Buddha aka pure love and the strength that comes from it. Look up the hand gestures she does.
@@Rebecca-bz6ph She's clearly not Virgo Shaka. Yes, I've watched all the seasons and yes, she's 1) not a girl boss (that is flawless, stoic and badass, the kind Emily Blunt rolls her eyes at) and 2) outside of the final villain of each arc when she heroes up, she's still the regular loser she always was like Kenta Hirono in Wingman. She's basically the trope from Zero/Loser to Hero when all her friends are cooler and better than her on paper but for the final showdown in moment of crisis she outclasses them all showing her true inner strength / love / you name it.
@@StephOMacRules I don’t agree. What makes a girl boss? You pointed out that she’s a cry baby and a slacker but this is relatable and what a lot of women really are. Why do we have to take away attributes that are considered feminine like crying in order to make a women powerful? I love sailor moon because she’s so unapologetically feminine. Like her dream is to marry Mamoru. but at the same time when put under pressure (she was forced in to this role of superhero) she has enough strength from love inside her to bring her friends back from the dead, make people good again who’ve turned evil and restore destruction. She’s feminine energy at its core and purest form. Not the twisted feminine energy that Disney perpetuates that says women should ignore romance and focus only on themselves and be perfect from the start never needing anyone’s help and never cry. The fact that’s she’s so imperfect makes her relatable. It’s ok to need your friends help.
Just a fun aside, the prince was originally intended to have more screen time in the movie. There was gonna be a portion where the Queen has the Prince imprisoned in the dungeon and he fights through the guards to get to Snow White, but the idea was too costly given their budget so the idea was discarded. This was then reused for Sleeping Beauty.
Glad to see some backlash against the girl boss-ification of Disney princesses. I remember when it was trendy to say Beauty & the Beast was about Stockholm Syndrome. Old articles like the ones Cracked used to make would mock the princesses as being too passive (and I like a lot of readers believed them), but the stories are actually more misunderstood than we thought. I hope this pushback against this old "new" idea continues.
What Rachel described has already been done and better than what Disney is ever going to do. Mirror Mirror is the best Snow White story! And while it shows a woman who wants to lead her country; she also falls in love. She is pretty feminine too!
and Snow White was also White, they are taking things from Snow White Tale of Terrier hence the magical creatures, and from Snow White and the Huntsman.
Loved Mirror Mirror
They also made snow white and the huntsman
And do not forget that weird, almost horror-like snow White rendition, Snow White: A Tale of Terror. That is one of the best Snow White movies.
@@azrailazmi5753I love this movie!
Fun facts:
In the original GERMAN tale by The Brothers Grimm, Snow White is described as having: "SKIN AS WHITE AS SNOW".
Thisi is why she is named Snow White.
Yeah just..for the love of god, make a new fairytale😅
@@Evute02they need that cashgrab
@@Evute02exactly and excuse me bringing up race, as a black man try to explain this to other black folk, you have any idea how patronizing it is for disney to race swap already established characters, you want black people to have someone that looks like them MAKE NEW CHARACTERS
@kidCashOnline i had to read this twice - half asleep here , you know what I absolutely agree 💯% with you.
@@kidCashOnlineI'd love to see African fairy tales on screen. I was reading some of them as a kid. :)
Disney is all about controversy. I bet they get a kick from our reactions and how we argue between ourselves.I miss good movies so much.
4:41 Totally agree!
The initial Disney princess movies never revolved around a Prince/man to save them.
It was always about overcoming their life struggles.
It’s strange that these remakes emphasize the small romance part for some “woke” thing in comparison to the actual princesses overcoming life challenges and still having a good heart after it all.
I think it's, ironically, our over-sexualized contemporary society that can't notice any plot development outside the five minutes of romantic attraction in the old films!
I love the themes of the original and I think you boiled it down perfectly about relationships between girls with narcissistic mothers/stepmothers. That would have made a great updated version and you could've deleted the prince to just focus on that relationship, but when she said that they changed the version of fair to be about justice/fairness, are the protagonist and antagonist going to be battling to be the hero? I'm so confused at how they would make that work. I feel like feminism has gotten so out of control that we're not allowed to admit that women are fallible and we can be rude, jealous, and manuipulative.
It's so weird how we live in this world where everyone is proud to be like "I don't need anyone, Im good all on my own". Like it's something to be proud of. Like needing and wanting other people is a weakness. Man these are some sad times we're living in. It's like a sort of sickness. When did wanting love and connection from other humans become so horrible? Wtf.
Also, this is corporate America's wet dream.
Fr. Human beings are social creatures and were designed to need each other. This trend of hyper independence is so unhealthy
Western women wonder why so many guys go to Asia or Northern Europe 😂
Looking at the worldwide situation, seems like some people who has money and power want to isolating people, then turned people against each other. This psywar, and the biowar (pandemic). I wonder what waiting for us in the end, what are they final purpose?
It's not that folk don't want love, it's that they want it to be more of an equal partnership. Men don't want to sacrifice everything for a partner so they can do nothing, and women don't want to have everything done for them and be treated like they are a goddess.
Personally if I met a woman who loved me and wanted me to do everything for her, I would run the other way.
I suspect your last point is spot on. It’s largely been the media pushing these ideas and indoctrinated them into the minds of impressionable (largely) young people.
It’s awfully convenient this is happening during a time when mental health issues are on the rise as well as a general cost of living. Convincing women to be girl bosses would be a really convenient way to sidestep these issues (you’re sad because you’re a victim) and effectively double household income.
Admittedly that’s a stretch, but it wouldn’t make for such a compelling theory if the whole “progressive” movement had some nuance and wasn’t one single talking point being non-stop fed to us like a blatant propaganda piece 🤷♀️
You make so many valid points, and it’s sad how Hollywood is just missing the point of these classics honestly.💔💔😞😭
The prince was in the movie for around 5 and a half minutes of total screen time. I would hardly say that there was a “big focus on her love story.”
A big problem that I have with this growing group of women who are so against women falling in love and being motherly are that they are often also against men being “motherly” and more want men to just become their assistant or basically a butler too them. And both these sentiments lead to parents spending less time with their children and children spending more time on their phones and kids getting phones much earlier since these same groups also don’t think it’s safe for kids to go outside anymore. It all leads to isolated, antisocial, zombified kids.
Also full of social anxiety and vain
It's even bigger than you think, delve into urbanism, historical propaganda etc.
As I grow older I’ve realized that I’d really just like to settle down with a man and have a family and when I share this sentiment ,some of the replies I get are crazy …. Not everyone needs to be a girl boss ceo and that’s okay. People need to learn to respect others
@@Likelyfairy There's no way people actually are against people just wanting to live a simple life and be happy, the whole "girl boss CEO" is just a marketing ploy people are indoctrinated by anyways. That's what most people want... Settle down with someone they like whom is a good person, be financially stable, secure, provide the most opportunity for their children and be happy.
Most women have been convinced by mainstream feminism that their menfolk are inferior shit to be wiped off their boots at best. That's why millennial and Gen Z women brag on social media about assaulting and sexually assaulting men - particularly their boyfriends and husbands - portraying it as "cute" or "empowered" and expect unquestionable "respect" as women.
Congratulations on your wedding and marriage!
Also - yes, I find that wanting to fall in love is more relatable to women and girls than wanting to be a leader. Not every woman wants to be a leader or is designed to be a leader. Me for example, I think I do better in a support role vs. leading people to victory. I'd much rather watch a Disney story where the princess and the prince fall in love at the end. Sure it doesn't need to be the whole focus of the movie, but it does speak to a lot of women and girls. It's why one of the best non-Disney stories of Cinderella is Ever After.
Ever after is my favourite Cinderella film 😊
Great Video! Agree with everything you said on this topic. The only Disney princess remake I think did justice to the original was the 2015 Cinderella. They mostly kept to the original storyline but added scenes that added depth to the characters. In that film Cinderella's mantra of "Have courage and be kind" really stuck with me and I think that was a great message. (and it wasn't about being a girl boss) I also think Elle fanning who played Aurora in Maleficent understood her character really well. It's sad that the other actresses seemed to not understand or fully appreciate the character they were portraying,
In the original Little Mermaid she didnt leave for a boy. She wanted to be human long before Eric. Eric was just a perk.
When I was a child watching these movies, I NEVER thought much about the Prince saving the defenseless woman.
I loved the music, the vocal skills, the fun friends the princess made along the way, the magic…literally never thought about the dude at all.
I will assume most little girls are not watching these films and thinking about love 🙄 give us more credit!
Same! I was actually sad Snow White left the dwarves for the prince in the end; at age eight friends are more important than romantic interests 😂 But even at that age I understood the prince and castle in the clouds and 'happy ever after' were just metaphors for the greatness of a life filled with love - any kind of love.
Belle had more drive and more desires that revolved around her taking on new adventures. That is true. But the greatest adventure she winds up taking is in love. The castle is like that of a story book, her Prince Charming is even in the stories she reads.
Belle never said she wasn’t looking for love, she was looking for something new and was brave enough to take on the challenges that she faced.
Exactly. AND she kept house for her father just like Snow White did for the dwarves and Sleeping Beauty with her fairy godmothers. Looking after her home was not what she was trying to get away from, but an ignorant and shallow society. She just didn't want to keep house for a jerk like Gaston!
But don't you understand, she now doesn't wear corsets and has invented the washing machine, she's SO much more progressive!
It's ironic that they have equally made the Beast more hateful than his animated counterpart, which in turn makes Belle more of a pushover and sends a bad message to young girls since she eventually overlooks this behaviour.
The same way Ariel gave up her voice for legs to live on land yes to meet her Prince but also to explore the human world, an adventure she’s always dreamed of. Girlbossifying these stories really removes these layered ambitions from classic princesses.
@@evaphillips2102 agreed. I didn’t see the live action Mulan, but the fact she didn’t cut her hair(which was heavily symbolic of her sacrificing the desires her family has of her as well her womanly appearance, to pass off as a man) was enough to keep me away. I guess we can’t tell stories of kick-ass women who are overtly feminine, we have to strip them of female qualities and make them feel hollow and empty, but they should be moderately attractive still and appear feminine.
I’d had so much trouble explaining what I liked about the original Snow White movie, but you’ve hit it exactly on the head. I get that it’s an older tale with older sensibilities but Snow White is a nurturing role model who’s beautiful but not vain. She puts herself to work helping others even when she could wallow in the unfairness of her situation. She’s trusting to a fault but it’s not because she’s stupid, it’s because she’s good and doesn’t expect evil in others. Great video and congratulations.
They also disregard the fact that fairytales - as they are essentially made for kids, try to emphasise the importance of being nice, kind and brave. The prince is linked to the reward for being those things. E.g. Cinderella kept dreaming through her abuse that things would change for her and she remained optimistic and kind, helping animals out wherever she could, so was Snow White and Aurora. At the same time, Belle sacrificed herself to save her father, so did Mulan. Their reward was to be recognised and loved. That is not weak, that is teaching kids to behave nice to everyone. That is meant to teach them that if your bratty, spoiled and mean no one is going to stand up for you or love you.
I am 76 years old and admittedly from the older generation. My husband and I watch you videos regularly. You make very good sense and you do it with great respect to other’s opinions. Qualities that are greatly lacking these days. Thank you so much for that. We agree with you on nearly all topics. ❤❤
Wow 76 years old God bless U and your husband
It's very apparent that 99% of these Disney remakes do not understand why the originals were successful in the first place or even get what they were trying to say. "Girlboss Snow White" is basically an oxymoron. 😂Being a leader is never what she wanted. If this movie didn't have "Snow White" in the title, no one would see it. Every girl my age I know is into K-Dramas and hot anime boys, but suddenly the idea of falling in love is seen as some archaic concept.💀
Congrats on your upcoming wedding!! 😊
What's kind of ironic with the leadership thing is that Snow White already showcased the skills in the original movie during the song "Whistle While You Work" and even during the scene where she tells the Dwarfs to wash and behave for dinner. But I guess leadership only counts when it's political or something like that?
@@lmahu6627Agreed. I see my sister as a leader, and Snow White was definitely her model growing up. (Mine was Belle.)
Also girls love romances in books. Fifty shades of grey and Twilight were popular for a reason. They created a fantasy that woman wanted.
I agree with everything you said❤ what many people, the smug actress included, don't realise is that the original snow white film was nothing short of Revolutionary at the time. It was the first ever animated feature, made with little money but a lot of ❤ and vision, although everyone was sceptical. That's why it's still remembered and valued today,despite the flaws, which definitely won't be the case with the new one. Apart from that, It's really frustrating and demaging to imply that wanting love=being stupid/weak. Even the strongest people need emotional connection of some sort, and a "girl-leader" should be allowed and able to fall in love. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Love should actually help us achieve. Not allowing female leads to love Is just as bad as forcing romance on every female character. I agree the original SW could use some re-framing for modern times, but they could've done that without mocking the classic and changing the key elements. If disney found them so "problematic" (dwarfs, the romance ig), they should've simply adapted something else. The "no dwarfs" is another thing I don't get firstly, they're the most moral characters with no bad traits, secondly, they're the essential part of the story! 😮
It's like the narcissists make movies and their villains are the normal/empathic people.
6:55 - finally someone said it. I see this story as one of women being afraid of aging and of their younger compepetors. If they wanted to re-imagine this story, they should've focued on Snow White's relationship with her stepmother.
And maybe a bit of focus on the stepmother's relationship with her courtiers. She views her youth and beauty as her source of power, because she does NOT command the respect of the people. But Snow White, with her innocence and her kindness, is able to win over the heart of the huntsman, to the point where it saves her life, and endangers his. But he's willing to risk his life to save her, because he respects her goodness.
@@AuntLoopy123 exactly. I remember a scene from the original movie where she walks past a skeleton in a cage?? With his/her hand stretched out toward a pot near the bars?? She starved someone to death and left the body to rot there, and that's all we know about her ruling methods. I realize the original cartoon had restrictions in its production, but they could expand this part and show us why she was so messed up and why she couldn't form a nornal relationship with her stepdaughter.
It's painfully obvious that Hollywood doesn't know their target audience at all. "Get the adults first. They're all children deep down." ~ Walt Disney Now, the man wasn't condescending us, he was recognizing we're all in touch with our inner child and he wasn't afraid of letting us indulge in that through his films.
Lets not forget that more then half of these princesses were already mostly carving their own paths before they run into a "Prince"(IF any). Merida (Brave) is a great example; shes a princess who breaks away from the trope and begins her own path, shes already knows how to defend herself and learned skills on her own, without ever needing a love interest or a prince to save her.
The thing is, they don't need to make her more independent because she was already independent. She did everything she wanted without anyone telling her to and she lived her life happily. She doesn't need to turn into a pirate leader girlboss to be an independent woman
I find it interesting that they try to retcon Thirst-for-Power as a positive trait. There used to be many stories that are basically cautionary tales about deceiving nature of power and ambition, how it both corrupts and attracts corrupt people, how good people easily continue any terrible cycle after they come to power, how it's always a double-edged sword, full of difficult choices and cut throats, how even in smallest, close-knit groups leadership still requires pushing people around and disregarding their feelings to some degree. A person needs to have certain kinda terrible qualities to be a leader! So it's weird to me how it's becoming an end-all, desirable position, especially for girls.
Very good point.
I think it started with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Buffy was actually pretty awful at times, because Whedon actually was trying to show the dangers of power through her character and the complexity of ambition vs goodness. But I think the message got lost behind the vampires as the 'villains', and Buffy was pretty and got all the guys and loyal friends - I think everyone started wanting to just copy her, faults and all, instead of learning from the deeper messaging? I don't know.
Wow. Very astute comment. It's true. They have reversed the roles of the two main characters of the movie. Now Snow White is the one who is seeking power. But she is the one being called the good person in the movie. And now Malificent is the good one who is only seeking to be the most just person in the kingdom. *They have changed the meaning of the word "fair" in this movie to mean "just".
Welcome back, Patience! You can really tell that NOT A SINGLE ONE of the women understood any of the characters they played, or even knew what happened in the stories they "remade". Notice how each and every one of them had the same bog standard canned responses about how all the princesses just "waited for a man" and how THEY, in their infinite grace, intelligence and high minded modern brilliance IMPROVED those dusty old stories.
They’re probably given scripts of what to say.
We love seeing a good romance story. They can make their new movies without ruining the existing ones.
As soon as I started seeing clips of Rachel’s interviews circulating online I thought of you & was wondering if you would express your opinion about this topic. I really admired your stance when discussions were happening surrounding the release of The Little Mermaid. Your opinions were very mature, sound & reasonable without being disrespectful or rude to anyone & that was just so refreshing.
As a woman I can say I’ve lived both sides of life. I’ve been the single working mother putting in 60+ hrs a week at work, after leaving my first marriage. I took pride in my job & enjoyed working. Now in my current marriage I am a stay at home mom. I’m very grateful to my husband for giving me the opportunity to be home with our youngest daughter. It’s something we discussed & agreed on before I stopped working. I realize not everyone can live on one income so I feel fortunate. For me personally, I would rather be at home. Taking care of my family & my home, being there to take my son to soccer practice or attend my oldest daughter’s choir concert is a blessing. The way SAHM are portrayed as lazy, less than, mindless slaves who lack autonomy is hurtful to those of us who choose this lifestyle. I’m all for women in the boardroom meetings, running businesses, pursuing their careers instead of building families. If that’s what makes them happy then they should pursue the life they want but it’s unfair to shame other woman who would rather have a more traditional household where the mother tends to the house, children etc & the husband works & makes sure the bills are paid. Neither is wrong & neither should be judged.
It’s as if somehow instead of wanting equality, some women today want to degrade, shame & humiliate men. Many women refer to them as useless, unnecessary beings & I just don’t understand it. That’s not equality.
Glad you're back! I've missed your videos😭You're one of the few people who can unpack the nonsense going on right now without stoking anger or fear mongering. You're so freakin chill and refreshing!
I don't see why Disney thinks its doing something while the Snow White live action with Lily Collins exists, like?? that movie actually kept all the main themes from the original, while giving the story an original take! I mean, Snow becomes quite the girl boss, a leader for her people, while not giving up on love. Disney could never.
I like Kristen Stewart and Charlize Theron version better.
The worst part is that both parties are wrong in this story.
Snow White as well as Cinderella, as not about love.
Is a social commentary.
Both Snow White (a princess) and Cinderella (Gentleman's daughter) comes from the rich, back then if you were born rich, you were treat different, so the fact that both have a step-mother that treat them as peasant is morally wrong.
Marriage was an economic proposition, Both get what they always deserve when they marry a prince (someone with money or title)
Other similar stories are Jane Eyre, Pride & Prejudice.
I agree that there stories need to be change if they are going to be told again, because time have change and I doubt young kids will get this impression of the film.
I love your videos and your take on these subjects so much! I couldn't agree more. Snow White was my favorite princess growing up. I loved her because I thought she looked similar to me (I have blue eyes, and when I was a little girl I had much more pale/fair skin and shiny black hair in a bob) and dressed up as her every Halloween until I was 10. However, I also always adored how kind and generous she was in the movie and wanted to be just like her. I thought it was cool that animals loved her and that she was able to help and take care of the dwarves. As an adult I admire her character because she was kind even to those who weren't kind back to her (like the queen). Making her a "girl boss" is literally changing her entire character. I think Disney can still make a good lesson for young women out of a story by not changing a thing about the original film and emphasizing the fact that she was a kind and loving person with a big heart. You don't have to be a "girl boss" in order for people to look up to you.
You articulated what everyone is thinking very well!
It's true, she did.
Legendary return 🫡
This was spot on. It’s only been recently that the princes were even given any background or fleshed out besides just being royalty. I never got the notion that the princes “saved” the princesses because while they did do the things that got them out of a rock-and-a-hard-place situation, the princesses themselves had very strong feminine attributes where no one ever questioned whether they were brave or ambitious or under deserving.
Also CONGRATULATIONS on your engagement! You are always missed but so glad your personal life is getting an upgrade! 💜
Building on your excellent point, I always felt that the lack of character in the early princes emphasized that it was the royal notice rather than a 'love interest' that helped the heroines. Like in a modern Hallmark film the deus ex machina is always getting a government grant or legal rights to save the town hall, or whatever. It's not really being 'saved' so much as receiving government backing for your own industry and heroism as an individual, which is just how society works. That's why the heroines generally marry a prince with political status rather than some random hot guy; it's metaphorical for their own success.
Ariel wanted to go to the surface WAY before she met Eric. Eric was an after thought which people don’t seem to remember.
Congratulations on getting married! 🎉
You have yourself a very lucky man.
Y’all stay awesome out there. 🙏
the "strong independent, I don't need a man" character trope in this generation makes me defend the damsel trope like princess Leia, Buttercup from princess bride, snow white and cinderella who were victims (not all of them, some damsel characters were terrible like Mary Jane in 2000s).
@@Raya-ir4tm that's pretty ironic and hypocritical with feminist film critics, they love to portray how women are victims of society yet when a damsel character is going through abuse and when a heroic man doesn't present "toxic masculinity" all the sudden they victim blame her
When I heard Buttercup I think of the Powerpuff Girls.....😆
Princess Leia was not a damsel. What Star Wars films did you watch? She literally strangled her captor to death to escape
@@msnewsenior I wouldn't say she's a stereotypical one, GL made her character get saved by Luke in the death star, both characters had team work to get out of the situation they were in
She’s definitely acting like a “pick me girl” like ewww girly stuff like love and romance is stupid! Intelligent powerful girls only 💪💋. Like honey both can exist, you’re not a better woman than those who like that stuff and like love stories..
Honestly, this attitude screams internalized misogyny and people either don't notice that or choose to ignore.
@@justwonder1404exactly
Alex from Modern Family 🫶🏻
No guy wants a girl who isn’t into love or romance. And if they do want her it’s very very temporary
@willdegra317 what does this have to do with anything?
Great analysis. I love to see people genuinely trying to understand the deeper themes in the original Disney films.
Sad to see them reversing a lot of that depth with the modern iterations.
I went into this with "Rachel-Zegler-hate fatigue" because EVERYONE seems to be talking about this, but I'm glad I expected better from you, Patience, and you didn't disappoint. Obviously, you and Sydney (and Greg Owen did a good one) actually took time to think and articulate your points better which is surely why you were a little later to the game. But worth it.
As I listened to your great takes on the breakdown of certain scenes and aspects of the original film, I realized that all of the negative reactions to them are extremely shallow interpretations. Shallow like the queen who is so obsessed with her own beauty, she doesn't get that Snow White is the fairest of them all because of her beautiful heart not her appearance. Clearly, the people that see a problem with that version are just as shallow as the queen.
If half of Hollywood had the wisdom and maturity of this woman the world would be such a better place.
Imagine if this was all satire marketing...imagine 😭
You are so correct, she really did not have to be disrespectful towards the old film.
It feels good to have you back 😊
Wait... beauty and the beast had a remake? I missed that one 😂. Also to think Belle; the original, needed or felt the need to be saved by man means *you never even saw the movie lol.* Beast and Bell have an extremely balanced relationship 😂. She's very smart, brave, and stands up for herself. She never fell for Gaston just because he was considered a "man's man". She fell for beast because if we break it down, he was a shy introvert and a dork with a temper.
*They helped each other see the joys of life.* It's one of everyone's favorite princess movies for a reason. Even young men loved that movie. So props the original director, story tellers, and song writers for creating that story as well as; finding the right actors and artists to bring it to life.
Like, seriously these new princess age mentality is weird. I grew up with these movies and never always felt the girl needed the man. Like even with Cinderella, the prince fell for her because she was different. It was also in a time where aristocracy marriages were normal. The man wanted to find a woman he'd at least like as a friend to have his heir.
So no... I don't feel insulted by the silliness of how fast they fell in love. Or how she dreamed to live that kind of life. She came from an aristocratic family. I'm educated, unlike these weirdos. So I'm aware it was simply socially normal back then. Why would I feel offended or want the story to change? 😂
It just makes one scratch their head and want to say to these ladies.... "Did we watch the same movie?" 😂
EXACTLY!!!
What’s really funny about Emma Watson’s comments regarding the original Beauty & The Beast is that she said the movie came out in 1992…when in fact it came out in 1991. Im so sick of this “girl boss” mentality that’s being forced upon us as I for one like a good romance and this latest Live Action just sealed Disney’s fate for me (I’m sticking to the Renaissance Era)
@jonelrobinson5189 I love your profile picture, very appropriate to this discussion haha
@jonelrobinson5189 that’s cool mine’s Ariel
Yes! Romance is the highest grossing fiction genre, yet it rarely has it's own section in Waterstones etc and receives so much belittlement. Their 'feminist' comments are actually misogynistic. A feminist move would be to promote and celebrate a romantic story done through the female gaze. The romantic subplot is why we love the Disney fairy tales. Hyper independence is unhealthy. We just want to see the original movies brought to life for the escapism and nostalgia.
Really enjoyed the video, it's refreshing to see someone who takes the arguments from both sides into consideration. I agree with you on a lot of points and would love to see more.
And they keep adding little things to the Disney Princesses that are wholly unnecessary.
It wasn't good enough that Belle was a bookworm in an era where women didn't have to read (and was seen as an outcast for it), she's now an inventor to.
Jasmine being a princess who wants to escape her royal birdcage and explore the world, now studies to become Sultan (wait what!?).
And then it went all downhill from there, Mulan, Wendy, Ariel all may as well have pressed the delete button on their male counterparts.