Cheating is equally bad between sexes. If we were trying to rate which is worse having sex with someone you hate is arguably more of an insult than doing it with someone you know.
As a 53 year old man I can assure you it was. The difference is technology. We didn’t have instagram so access to people was limited, compared to today’s dating landscape. Salute to you Brother
Im a 2000s baby but it seems that in the 90s and earlier people chose partners based on values, character and morals but not its about money, status and idk, cars n shit.
As a man I've never understood the argument that we can cheat and not feel anything because how would that make women feel better like you fucked up your relationship for someone you didn't even care about that would make me feel so much worse.
Agreed! Not to mention that she'd be terrified of catching an STD if she was dumb enough to stay with him. Then they blame women for filing for divorce more often even if their infidelity is the actual cause of the divorce in the first place.
This was the first time I have ever heard this argument, I do not understand it at all lmao. Obviously you're a piece of shit if you cheat on your partner.
I'm going to quote Uncle Iroh " if you only gather knowledge from one source then you become rigid and stale". life is about balance because too much of anything is good for nothing, once you swing too far right or left you've lost the plot
@@cazyjohn2005 I checked out the first episode just now, not completely sold on it. It’s definitely better than the movie (although that’s not a high bar to meet at all) and there were some things they did that were different from the original show that I liked. But so far? Eh.
“Men can have sex with someone they hate” Nah, *THE CLOWN SAYING THAT* can have sex with someone he hates. These people tell on themselves, then chock it up to “men” doing something, as if it’s a widely general thing that occurs. So much strawmanning. 😵💫
Yah they rather have sex with someone they hate rather than be loyal to their partners. They rather risk their partners getting an STD than not have a sexual encounter with someone they hate. Yikes man
Yeah it's hilarious "Oh hey I betrayed you knowing it would destroy you, but really, I don't really like the person I betrayed you for, so it's not a big deal"😂 How is this not worse?😂
Red pill used to be guys drawn to forums where certain ideas were actually thought out. Now, it’s just an identity that certain Internet personalities glomb onto.
Tbf it’s original origin was 4chan. Where people who held anti-semetic views were seen as being “red pilled”. “Red pill” because of the red pill in the movie “the matrix”. And the idea was that when someone also held anti-semetic pro nazi views, they “woke up” to the “fact” that “the jews rule the world”. So even its origins are cancer. Same with sjw’s Neither were ever good.
When the red pill started, it actually wasn’t that bad. It was channels dedicated to helping men be better (finicial, physical, etc). It was mainly about what foods you should eat/avoid, grooming, people skills, working out. It had nothing to do with women, maybe a little with dating, but just improving yourself to be a better partner. It got lost when all the videos with ridiculous comp of women. There’s a creator who said it best,” If I make a video with how you should be improving yourself, it will get 1/4 of the views. Compared to ‘Oh, look at this woman’s comments.’”
I mean, the original concept was just a sociology joke regarding post-modernism, the matrix movies and the so called "seeing behind the curtain of society and into the machinery and systems that determine how the world objectively is". What it is now as a meme? I have no idea tbh. Probably something politically motivated to a degree.
You really have no idea what feminism is. I am very happy that I am allowed to work, to make the decision if I want to be married or not, that I can have children or not, that I am allowed to have a bank account and my own money that not directly goes to the husband, to go to school, to have knowledge about my female organs, to be allowed to not feel ashamed about my sexuality and that I am a woman, that I can go the path I want to go and don´t have to be forced a certain path in life that men force me to go, I don´t have to ask my husband if he allowes any life choice of my personal existence
Clip #1 defeated its own point. If the guy believes that a woman must be emotionally connected to someone before having sex--an idea I personally agree with--that makes it worse when a man cheats because he is betraying a higher tier of trust, whereas its worse when a woman cheats because she is emotionally invested (and as such is probably done with the sucker she isn't in bed with atm). Both are equally wrong, for completely opposite reasons. Which is why NO ONE should be cheating. If you're not happy, LEAVE.
I completely agree, but I think the point that are making is that one spells doom for the relationship. When men cheat, they often don't even fully understand the hurt they cause until they see their partners reaction to it. I mean I already do, and it's part of why I've never cheated. But women can be much more deceptive and pernicious with cheating. I just read a Reddit post last night where a man found out that ALL FOUR of his children were not his. They were all fathered by his COUSIN, who lived across the street. Men don't do that kind of stuff haha. That's some very dark, cold stuff. It's WAY more common than you think it is by the way. Paternal Fraud.
@@SubvertTheState I don't know dude - first - the reddit scenario is awful. Shame on that woman. But my friend's dad had been cheating on his ex-wife with a lady he worked with for 20 years. it didn't finally come out until about 2019. That man stole 20 years of my friend's mom's life when he could have just come clean and said: I don't love you anymore, we need to separate. OR better to have not cheated in the first place and make his marriage work. My friend's sister btw is not interested in getting married now because of it. that's how damaging his affair was - his own daughter doesn't even want to try to put herself out there. You can't believe for one second that my friend's dad "didn't fully understand the hurt he caused", because you have to be mentally retarded to not understand that cheating is going to hurt your partner. Are we saying that men are mentally retarded in this situation? I should hope not. I think that's the main point. Cheating is awful no matter who does it for what reason. to try and look at technicalities is playing a losing game to see "who's the better cheater?" is so stupid when as a society, we should us all agree: it ain't a pissing contest - stay married and don't cheat.
@@SubvertTheStateto be fair, men don't do "that kind of stuff"-- i.e. paternity fraud-- because men aren't the ones who bear children; the maternity of a child is never in question, so the reverse situation is kind of impossible. This is arguably a big reason why there has existed this "double standard" historically -- i.e. that a woman's sexuality was typically much more scrutinized than a man's: you could argue that this was a necessary social convention in order for men to ensure that they were the father to any children their wife bore them, and a safeguard against being duped into raising another man's children and losing the opportunity to pass on their own line.
@@SubvertTheState Out of curiosity, why do you say men don't do that kind of stuff? Of course paternal fraud is unique to women because men literally *can't* do that...but I don't see any barrier to them being equally deceptive and pernicious about cheating. To make an equivalency with children, lots of men had whole "other families" that never knew about each other, something that is near-impossible for women to do. I would also note that even if the man didn't fully understand the hurt they'd cause (which isn't a male/female thing, it's because we rationalize away our own behaviors), they clearly know it's going to be a problem or they'd have done it openly.
@@Melodysupporter - Yet women cheat more and initiate domestic violence more than men. Women do not give better relationship advice because they hate their "friends" being happy when they are not. Ask any married woman why they don't like divorced female friends near their husbands!! Single women have an amazing capacity to keep other single women single. If mistreatment by men is your experience of men you might want to stop chasing men who are out of your league, make better choices and cultivate those guys who aren't being chased by hordes of other women. Otherwise, your misandry is showing!!
I have no problem dating a man with kids. I just don't want the kids to meet me until the guy and I are sure we have something serious together. I don't want to confuse the kids or get them attached to me if I am only a temporary distraction.
@@atomicgun2491 The baby comes first! The new girlfriend is 2nd and the baby momma is last. Why would a baby momma ever come first when she was left for a reason?
“Can you fight?” Well, that’s irrelevant too because how many times are we going to be in a situation where you need to fight someone off? Gotta eat every day though! And as a grown ass adult, I find it really odd if a grown ass man doesn’t know how to cook. At least the simplest of meals. That’s the bare minimum of being a functioning member of society.
In safe western countries in most neighborhoods of a certain economic status we don’t need to fight or look like we can fight. But looking like a weak man also has its disadvantages
The core flaw of the red pill movement is wanting all of the perks of being in a traditional relationship but taking none of the responsibilities that come with it. It's parallel to feminism in that regard. If you want to be in a traditional relationship, cool. If you want to be in a non-traditional one, also cool. The internet isn't real life and people think they can have it all when relationships are significantly deeper than what these podcasts convey.
Sort of. The problem is that we are not in a traditional society anymore, and men have to navigate an entirely new landscape. Men know it's far superior for the woman to be a virgin, but virgins don't exist. most women have triple digit bodycounts. Men know that marriage is absolutely key to building a better future for children, but the laws are all against men and make it nearly impossible. So you have to be aware of the ideal, but then also be realistic as to the nature of the actual situation.
I think feminism reach that state much longer ago. They preach to want equality and have the same rights as men but never they went up to the streets to have the same duties as well. You dont see them making protests to have the same prision time or to be draft to military.
Cooking and cleaning is not a traditional role for a woman,it should be BASIC LIFE SKILLS, if you can't clean and cook after yourself then you are a child not an adult
It is a traditional role for a woman. The men would work n the fields and build things, the women would make food to keep them going. Work used to be REALLY hard and the men would need large amounts of calories to just keep going.
Ok how is being able to have sex with someone you hate BETTER than being able to have sex with someone you've formed an emotional bond to. That would make literally any woman feel horrible. Am I just a piece of meat to you? If you can have sex with ANYBODY, do you even love _me?_ Like bro what
If you had a child who was only a picky eater when you as their mother cooked but liked your sisters cooking, that wouldn’t hurt as much as if they liked everyone’s food including yours
Yall already say men are this men are that ( pigs, dogs pile of vomit ) and when you get treated with the same type of medicine you complain ? Cmon now let's have soke consistency here
Why are these people using the phrase “red pill” for this?? Red pill is finding out the truth about something. When you realized Santa wasn’t a real person you were “red pilled”. On the number of partners, I don’t think that correlates. People who seek out fewer partners are more likely to be happier in marriage.
because girls often hide (usually by omission out of ignorance or sometimes shame) what they really find attractive in guys. Girls will usually say "I wish men brought me flowers", "less aggressive", "more emotionally intelligent". Men who do these things get no pussy or cheated on or both. Women leave out the part they only want it from men they find attractive. What do women typically find attractive? Aggressive men. Selfish men. Masculine men. Dominant men. Good-looking, manipulative men. All features that almost completely oppose what a woman would typically say she wants. So guys like myself have gone from prioritising being a good person (what women say they want) to prioritising gaming life (gym, clothing, having options, learning manipulation techniques, career) and have seen a literal 1000% increase in success with women. I am so much more disrespectful and selfish but I get rewarded for it. That is the red pill. Realising being nice is a complete waste of time, as a straight man, except potentially within the bounds of a relationship, and even then it really depends on the woman.
I think it's just how language works over time. The manosphere hijacked the meaning and most of the use of the Red Pill as a phrase. Just as the word and use of the term Woke became a descripter of a group of ideologies. I imagine the loudest and unfortunately the most obnoxious become word thiefs
They use the term for the same reason we had “operation freedom” and why companies say they value “diversity”. It is easier to sell whatever they really wanna do
If the wife is sick and she’s the one that’s responsible for cooking and is the only one that can cook, who is going to be the one to feed everyone? Is he just going to eat out all the time? That’s a waste of money when you can just cook all the meals yourself.
@@purplelove3666 Fair enough, then she should be out and working as well. We split the bills 50/50, go change the tires, while I do the laundry instead.
@@jaymiles5206 I just listed it. For example a man may want a feminine woman but he isn’t going to act feminine most likely, he would act masculine. I did list it after saying the word ‘like’
Ironically, the guys that aren't into this sort of stuff have more luck with girls rather than the guys that are into the red pill...at least from what I have noticed.
Ironically, the guys that aren't into this RP stuff or are moderate with it are the ones that have more luck with girls instead of the ones that are VERY into RP content...at least from what I have noticed. Almost like you attract women by treating them like human beings...no way!
@@cherryhazard8002 Oh god not the "You don't treat women like people" assumption. I'm sorry but that complaint is just tired and not nessesarily true. There are tons of men who treat women like people they just don't know how to flirt or seduce women. There are tons of toxic men I know who treat women like trash and still get play. I think you are overrating morality when it comes to getting women
I love how she criticizes both sides equally. Sometimes I wish there were more youtubers like Xina but the fact that there aren't makes it even a better day when she uploads
The problem that I see usually comes from the left. This diagusting tribalism needs to go. Nowadays, if you critize both sides ,you're not seen central.... You're immediately a right wing extremist. And yes, this has happened to me irl aswell. People just assume you're right wing or even an extremist the second you disagree with their side or have the audacity to say that there is SOME reason on both sides. It's tiring and just straight up sad....
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 ehh I am subscribed to Lauren Chen but she's always seemed pretty much on the right to me. But I haven't watched her in a while so I could be wrong tho
@@McNugge. amen M8 the whole Left/Right binary is so corrupt, toxic, and hypocritical and we deserve a government that reflects the diversity of thought (I'm from the USA but I imagine this applying to the UK, Canada, and other countries too). Like conservatives need to realize that just because I'm pro-choice and have my pronouns in my IG bio doesn't make me a liberal or a leftist. And leftists and liberals need to realize that just because I support gun rights and small government doesn't make me a conservative.
So many of these red pillers are dudes sitting around gossiping and complaining about women. These dudes don't come across as all that masculine to me.
It's not related to emotions, it's related to the problem they are trying to solve. Men always had a "combative style" whatever that means to motivate, to criticise or to compete. So it will sound harsh, rude, trial and error, and that's it.
These people need to realize that the internet and reality are two different things. Getting all worked up when they could just go outside and see that all different types of guys are already in loving relationships. Fat,short, tall, buff, it really doesn't matter. Everyone has their own thing and if you're a red pill guy who is not getting any and choosing to blame it on the woman, please look at your character first, that might have something to do with it.
with their logic it even worse that a guy is cheating because he is not even doing it for feelings he is betraying the one he loves just for physical pleasure.
No, you don’t get the point. The point is that if a woman cheats on you, which would mean she has feeling for another man, your relationship is already over and there is no going back. Whereas if a man cheats he wouldn’t get emotionally invested and still « loves » his woman. (And that’s bullshit too because if you love someone it’s easy enough to keep your dick in your pants, but it’s less extreme than the way you put it) That’s partly why imo prn isn’t cheating. No one is getting emotionally involved in prn and it’s just a way to get the urge out of the way.
@@RR-et6zp What the F are you even on about? “ most women shared the same guys”? Do you think some special men across history had some sort of harem of women? Dude, did you miss all the history classes in school?
Regarding the height conversation: I have a lot of very short, female friends and the vast majority of them have all said they want someone 5'11" or taller. This is coming from women who are 5'4" or shorter. It's because when they wear heels, they still want to be towered over. So honestly, there is a lot of truth to the height debate and it's not just from dating apps. Personally, I'm 5'6" and generally go for men who are at least 5'8", but am not opposed to shorter if I meet them in the real world and there is some chemistry.
It's true, it's even statistically supported actually. I'd rather people just accept and move on rather than gaslight men into thinking that they're being obsessively superficial or insecure.
Funny how a lot of the comments here say that height does not matter because you can eazily deafeat someone with a pistol, while theres a lot of comments of girls still dating taller guys
I don't think it reflects all women since not all of them use high heels. I do think that women want men taller than themselves but not only 6ft tall men. After all, men are on average taller than women. Also, tall women are not that popular with men. So men themselves also have a preference for shorter women than themselves.
I agree with everything you said. As a virgin, I only wanted a man who was a virgin. The red pill trying to justify cheating made me not like the movement. I feel like they also take the worst kind of people on their podcasts to prove that all women are horrible, but there are women who have low body count and moral standards and we do not want to be with a cheater. I would rather have a short guy than a cheater with a high body count.
Agree with you. Same with me, i am 23 y.o, virgin women, i want men who can control their desire, have low body count or better-a virgin just like me 😂😂
i blame the dating apps for the extreme bias towards physical features. I find mental features really attractive but i don't think i could avoid the physical bias that the dating app present. you get pics and a little bit of text. so it is almost all physical features. the text is just a tiny piece of insight into their personality. Dating apps are absolute hellscapes.
Ooh, maybe make a dating website or app where pictures are disallowed; only a description of physical features and personal interests with an avatar. MAYBE a name too. When on dates, the person at Place X can have a particular clothing or a rose for identification.
@@roselaqueen3105 well maybe there would be less children in danger if men were saved. ? Like preventive care . Like we do with teenage girls to avoid being single mothers. Or like we used to .
@@roselaqueen3105 but your comment at least acknowledges that he did do that and disproves the original comment and those that agreed. In my experience very few men would do nothing to protect a. Women in their life . Lots of men do it for strangers.
I don't think it's good for anyone, especially humanity, that a group of people is literally trying to generalize, in worst ways, half of humanity, based on gender. That's no different than any other generalization, like racism, or nationalism or hate based on religion or any other "ism". What are you gaining by trying to make half of humanity hate the other half? And the halves who really need each other and could live in lovely harmony? Why? To generate hate out of thin air? To make everyone miserable, alone, bitter and angry? To make people hate each other or fear each other based on something they can't change, literally their chromosomes? This is INSANE! So much unnecessary hate, so much unnecessary despise and dissing people for literally nothing. I am so sad this is what humanity has become. This life could be beautiful and everyone could be happy, yet a lot of people just generate and radiate hate. Because... they can.
Ikr? Like if it's generalizing a small community known for something I can understand that, but dudes really trying to generalize an entire species while forgetting that everyone is different
The “your is to make me a sandwich” guy had me laughing so hard lol. I was thinking the same thing you said: how often are you fighting off intruders? How often do you need to eat? Maybe he needs a system, for every intruder he fights off, he earns 3 sandwiches.
I love to cook and clean for my partner, but if he *ever* told me that I have to do it because it's my natural role, I would no longer enjoy it. The same men who demand a woman to cook for them often also get mad if they're expected to pay 100% of the bills/rent. Edit: I thought I should say that people really underestimate how, in this current cost of living crisis, it is *extremely* difficult to live off of one income. So, if the woman is also working and contributing financially, then the man should take some part in the household chores too. If you want the woman to be the sole homemaker, then don't complain when those same women ask for a man who makes 6 figures, because honestly, that's the only way it will work in this economy.
No man are useully expect to pay so they dont get mad they fell its their duty but woman dont like the burden of performance in the relationship and also man cant have standards anymore and they cant hold acountable
nobody naturally knows how to cook, it's a learned skill type in 'I need mommy to have sex with', just be honest about it there are a lot of women who baby their husbands
Same here. I like having a clean space and to bake and cook for someone I love. If it became a demand I would lose the passion I have for it and it would become a chore I don't look forward to.
@@joashedwards7206 through observation and getting to know someone. If I am dating someone and hang out at their house a couple of times I can eventually pickup on their cleaning habits. You could even make a comment like "Oh I love how your place is always clean whenever I come over. You must be really organized and tidy." Same goes for someone who likes cooking or baking. If they're love language is acts of service they will eventually do that for you if they know how to cook or bake. I don't cook or bake for people I don't know. I do it out of love for the people I care about. Patience touches on this around 16:20 on why this is an issue. You lose appreciation for the person who does this because you made it a demand and not an act of love.
From what limited stuff I’ve seen from some red pill creators some of the advice for like the self help stuff is solid. It’s when they start talking about women that it’s like ohhhh your high school crush didn’t like you back and now you hate women
That's redpill rage, discard the highschool rejection you used as an example. Women and relationships are a problem for men because of the ever old risks associated, challenges and confusion related to this problem ever evolving and also complexity of it is so varied. Fear, weakness or distrust in women or having a potential relationship they desire is always combating inside. Men and boys frazy physical touch, a comnection and probably offspring. But this world is fully bent on exploiting, lying, decieving men and women. When a man or boy has been lied too, is redpilled by either peaceful or traumatic means, they will be willing to look for answers. Redpill rage is a phenomenon that happens over time, associated with rage of the truth, pain of seing this impossible task ahead of you...and it takes years for some to get over it, some don't and get blackpilled. Blackpill is what you would call redpill extreme, where solutions are less about morality but more like prescriptions, redpill isn't about giving prescriptions, rather it's a praxeology, not a philosophy. To understand more, seek out Rollo Tomassi. Yes redpill is a part of manosphere content, yes the manosphere is an internet movement. But men slways have different opinions, always bash heads, and you are seing the internsl struggle which slways has been there. Some part of it is disbelief from newly redpilled men, or from ex-assosisted redpilled guys who swallowed the bluepill lie cause it felt better to live in delusion...they would backstab and smear the redpill to make the little lady happy. So again, where is msn supposed to get support? From feminist? 😂
What Red Pillers need to appreciate is that two "different acts" (whether it's a man or a woman cheating) can still cause the same level of harm even if it's in two different ways.
Let's combine two of these. So height is irrelevant because guns exist now? That also means gender is irrelevant concerning fighting because a woman shooting a bullet through your head kills you just as much as if a guy would shoot you in the head. Therefor women can in fact 'fight' just as well as a man if they both know how to use a gun. So back to the question. Women can fight, but can you cook?
16:12 COULD NOT AGREE MORE! Entitlement without gratitude. Whatever I do for you I do out of love, because I want to do it for you and because I take joy in your happiness NOT because you inherently deserve or are entitled to it! Humility, graciousness, forgiveness are the keys to any successful relationship
Imagine finding out the love of your life, your husband cheating on you and then proceeds to tell you that it’s OK because he hates the woman he slept with so that makes you think how low he must think of you to cheat on you with somebody he dislikes even more than you.😮
Heteropessimism needs to go...coming from a gay guy myself. It pains me to see these "gender wars" play out online. Although I'm not straight, it makes me sad to see men and women online fight over nonsense instead of using empathy to understand each other and engage in healthy dialogues.
I've seen it done by gay men, and I'm sure it's fun, but don't embolden hetero-women to say nonsense or make terrible choices lol. Some gay dude talking to that Call Me Daddy chick saying it was "valid" to ask for a man's bank account is the peak of this. Don't dump gasoline onto the dumpster fire.
On that first clip, I think regardless if you're a man or woman,-cheating is cheating point blank. And if your saying its "different" I think that's hypocrisy tbh.
Men and women are different, and the way they behave towards sex is different. Men can cheat in a way that doesn't threaten the marriage, that's much rarer with women. I agree with you that it shouldn't happen, but it is also different. Men's sex drive and evolutionary drive are very different than women's.
@@scartissuefilms I wholeheartedly disagree. Men and women are different definitely. But men cheating still would threaten the marriage, just as much as a women doing it would.
@@soomi5667its because people dont understand that fresh and fit are not talking about the average people. They are talking about millionaires the 1% of the world. At first when i listened to them i also was like wtf. But after the context it made a lot more sense.
Never anger the person you expect to cook your food. Lest you find they've listened to The Police's "Murder By Number" and it gets poisoned. 🤣I love to cook, but some jackass demanding that I cook for them--regardless of gender--would definitely piss me off. Plus, we're not living in Dragon Ball Super. Fighting skills, in a modern context, are largely worthless.
My pet peeves when redpillers say, " Dont break your ability to pair bond by adding body count. BUT, open your legs if you go on a date." So, women should just tell men, "Hey, you aren't worth ruining my ability to pair bond."
I believe this whole six-foot, six-figure, six-pack combo is something these particular MEN value and are projecting onto all women. Sure, you may find SOME women are in search of these traits but most really aren't dating with that mindset. And I wish someone would ask these guys how tall their fathers are and whether they were wealthy physical specimens when their mothers married or procreated with them.
Women literally never stop talking about it online and it's borne out on dating site stats. The dating scene today is also completely different from the past. There is almost no overlap at all.
Your wrong. Search more for what woman say on the internet about theirs date preferences. Woman need to learn how to be accountable for theirs actions and decisions.
@@fernandoalencar5287 Very true, many women do have to be accountable for their choices and behaviors. These same women also say all kinds of things online. Life offline is very different and that is where I spend most of my time. Do you think these double digit body counts are all from six combination guys?
@@scartissuefilms Life online and life offline are two different worlds. Height, Wealth, and Physical Fitness are traits men find impressive about one another. This isn’t to say that women aren’t impressed by them either, but a vast majority claiming to want these things in men don’t even have fathers that fit these traits.
@@CharliArmstrong We live off the reality, a reality tat's borne out by all the available statistics. You have to understand something: male sexuality is essentially illegal in the West. If we talk or approach a woman it's a potential court case for harassment. Approach someone at work, harassment. You're only really legally allowed to approach through dating sites, and women filter out all but the top few percent of men online. That's how it is. That's why so many men under 30 are virgins, why marriage rates and birth rates are plummeting.
To be fair, the comparison of a guy’s height would be compared to a girl’s weight. And the comparison of a girl’s body count would be compared to a guy being an incel since women get slut shamed, and men get virgin shamed.
I'll make it simpler: Both Red Pill and the latest wave of Feminism do have some points and reasons, but whatever good they appear to have goes away with the form and way they choose to pursue said points and objectives. This is literally "it's about the journey, not the destiny"
@@陳潔明-w6y Yes. It still has mostly. It has more of a point than 90% of current feminism actually. The irony is that their part like the MGTOW and Passaport Bros are basically the answer the feminists wanted when they cried "we need no men" but when they got what they wanted they realise they actually wanted the attention
@@ianesgrecia8568 Better than feminism in what way? The main figureheads of the RP were crooks (who funny enough called RP cringe artistics) and genuine assholes who complained mostly about the dating sphere, which is stupid to begin with, because like it or not, if women can survive on their own, then relationship for the purpose of getting by is no longer necessary. The demand is just smaller than the supply. Also it's quite funny that we're laughing at cringe women on Tiktok crying about "being ruined by feminism", when statistically speaking, women collectively got more game...
@@陳潔明-w6y 90% less hypocrisy and with an actual point. Last I sae of feminism they were attacking other women for wanting to be a STHW. Because the 'woman are free to choose their life' aparently only applies if it is according with the feminista choices
This is why I like your channel! Very balanced reviews, very insightful.........@ 7:45 where you show "Chances of Being 'Very Happy' in One's Marriage. The fact that the study shows Women lose 7% on the baseline from 1 partner to 21+ (64% - 57%) & Men lose 12% on the baseline from 1 to 21+ partners (71% - 59%) is very telling. The amount of times I heard this stat or something similar and this hasn't been mentioned shows the bias argument points they try to push. I'm a man I do find the Redpill/Manosphere talking points interesting and can agree with a lot of aspects they talk about through experiencing stuff in my own dating life. However, I definitely see it for what it is, I enjoy listening to women's point of views because that gives me information I might not be aware of. I just hope at some point these Men v Women content creators or discussions move to a place where they talk about balance between the two. Instead of pushing and promoting separation, I think some of them do it unintentionally but MOST are intentionally creating a divide and in the long run its very problematic. Love the video, love the channel & I wish you much success!
I always saw the red pill as the male version of modern feminism in every way other than legal aspect. After such a long time of modern feminists just annoying regular dudes, they just were like “u too” and now we have the red pill, they straight up just behave like feminists but for guys. To me it always seemed inevitable that they would pop up after these few years of the social turmoil between the two, and I feel that after a bit longer we will be back to square one. At least we will have a new attempt at a somewhat balanced society without too much radicalization.
No, it's here to stay. The laws aren't changing, and the leftist orthodoxy isn't going anywhere, so there's no road back to any middle ground. Men have to adapt to the new paradigm feminists have created. Men increasingly know they can't get married because marriages are more likely to collapse and the man will lose everything. So you have to pick a way to live your life. Choose to deal with women, but arm yourself with every psychological hack in the book to give yourself the advantage (red pill), go full Monk Mgtow, go abroad looking for a more traditional wife? Give up and play video games? Black pill. Etc.
It's here to stay. There is no way back. The majority of women are predicted to be unmarried and childless, which means that the majority of men will be unmarried. Of those that do get married, half of marriages fail. That means that at any given time almost everyone will be single and those single people have to find systems of living to follow for the rest of their lives.
You can not compare feminism to redpill at all. The redpill community has contributed to several shootings/murders and I would guess contributed to the latest uptick in pedophilia
I mean correlation doesn’t equal causation but I dated a guy who was shorter than me for over 3 years and that relationship was baaaad… been with my 6’ husband for 11 years and things are so much better. Also… let’s talk about short guy syndrome. Often shorter men feel emasculated and frustrated because of their height and who do they take that frustration out on…? My short ex wasn’t physically violent to me but he sure went out of his way to make me feel like crap… and could be quite misogynistic at times too! Not a problem I’ve experienced with tall hubby 🤷♀️
As a taller than average woman, I will say the reason I prefer a guy to be taller than me isn't about 'protection' - it's about wanting to feel feminine and 'petite' when I stand next to him and when we're being intimate. It's a turn off for me to feel bigger, stronger, or taller than my mate. It has nothing to do with physical protection for me - whether he can fight another guy or use a gun or whatever - last thing on my mind.
But you do realize is just a social construct? I mean you can still be "feminine" with someone shorter since feminity is not about being or feel small, change your retrogade mindset instead
@@joegambitt7414no its evolution. testosterone makes you more dominant and estrogen makes you more submissive ( its oversimplified bc its about androgen status and sensibility of the hormone etc. but you catch my drift)
7:48 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you so much for putting up that graph!! If there’s one thing that’s absolutely disingenuous about so many of the debates and discussions you’ll see on UA-cam it’s the cherry-picking of data and willingly leaving out all data that undermines your point
I agree that cooking is an everyday activity, while mowing a lawn is less frequent, making cooking more valuable because of its frequency. But, for argument's sake, the frequency of something doesn't really determine its value all the time. For example, say I have a maid come clean my house every day for a year for $500, and I also pay $500 per year for a security system in case of a break-in. If the maid comes every day and I never even get to profit off the security system because there wasn't a break-in, it doesn't devalue it because I saw it as a necessary precaution(+ I get peace of mind). So, both were of equal value(to me) despite using one way more. But equating mowing the lawn to a woman who cooks daily is preposterous.
I think that demand, lack of appreciation, and assumption are the things depriving many things of their value in today's world. Feminism literally exists becaus0e the behavior of society toward traditionally feminine things, tasks, etc. was that they were automatically inferior. And look how much children suffer for that.
I think at this day and age, if a woman choose to be a STHW, part of the partner earnings should go to a bank account for her too. Let's make some math: Take the salary of a cleaner maid, a 3-meal-7-day-week cook and in most cases at least 12 hours babysitter. That would give a very big number.
@@kathycoleman4648@kathycoleman4648 I kinda agree, especially because being a stay-at-home mom is one of the most challenging jobs. If you are not even appreciated for it, that is extremely exhausting. But, the lack of or sufficient presence of appreciation doesn't change its value. It just sucks when you're doing a hard job and you're not being sufficiently compensated/appreciated for it.
The birth control thing is also much more nuanced. I actually quit bc for about 8 months because of all this fearmongering. A lot of these people are citing studies that have been done in the 70s when the pills had way more hormones in them. I went back on the pill and I feel exactly the same, attracted to the same type of men. I’m not saying that the pill is for everyone because I know a lot of women do have side effects, but everyone is different🤷🏻♀️ I also agree that divorce was becoming less frowned upon so obviously it became easier
Fear mongering? So my inability to have kids,a lot of other womens inability to have kids because of birth control is FEAR MONGERING? EW,you sound like dismissive trash
I don't really have a horse in this race being that I'm gay, but from an outside perspective it's sad to see how transactionally these people view relationships. I just hope for the sake of our future as a society we can move past this men vs. women BS and you all can form genuine relationships built on mutual respect.
10:44 the problem with the paternity test argument is you have to go through like a whole ass relationship until the end of it and it’s like oh I was lied to for how ever long it took to make a kid. it’s a pre-selection that she might not be as promiscuous so you don’t have to worry about that as much up until the test can be taken. Also, some guys have had to pay child support for kids that the paternity test says isn’t theirs.
Men instead of fighting for hospitals to make paternity tests on a regular basis prefer to shame women on the internet for not being virgins. Priorities I guess.
Most feminists, red pillers have narcissistic personality dissorders. They are looking for a victim they can abuse with their entitelment, trolling, imatureity
I'd argue that cheating with someone you could give two f's about is just as damaging as cheating on someone you like. You're essentially telling me, that me and our relationship is so insignificant that you can casually find someone out of the blue, think, that you'd like to tap that, then go back home feeling just as fine and secure in your relationship as before. If my man told me he just cheated just to cheat, I'd feel like complete shit.
The whole "men cheating is different then women cheating" is bs to me. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that its even worse. You dont like this individual; so why sleep with them? You purposefully decided to to share an intimate moment with that person who you dont care about without at LEAST thinking how it can affect your partner. And for what? Cheating is bad regardless of gender. DONT CHEAT!
I agree, but do remember that testosterone is responsible for the sex drive in men and women. Women at their absolute horniest reach the base level of a guy with normal levels of testosterone. So imagine being the horniest than you've ever been, ever in your life and imagine feeling like that all day, every day...that's a normal guy, let alone a guy with high T.
no its not. Most men never passed on their genes actually. Most guys cant just date either.they;re just saying what's obkjectively true backed by data and the scientific method. They get girls no prob
no its not. Most men never passed on their genes actually. Most guys cant just date either.they;re just saying what's obkjectively true backed by data and the scientific method. They get girls no prob
In my opinion, the Red Pill community and the Radical Feminist community have become 2 sides of the same coin. I feel like the Red Pill Community has become an extension of the MGTOW community in some ways. The MGTOW community attracted a lot of resentful men who have had very little luck in the dating world and it created it's own sexist views much like how Radical Feminist have very sexist views on men. I think there are people who are Egalitarians who feel that the Red Pill community doesn't have the answers either. Now we're seeing more people, men and women, who are kind of in the middle now, they see the issues in both spectrums of gender equality and gender issues thanks in part to the evolution of this discussion in general.
There is no middle ground for a lot of people, though. MGTOW exists because the numbers simply don't add up for a lot of men. Marriage is way too big of a risk to take in the anti-male West. 30% of men under 30 are virgins, nowadays, that number will grow exponentially. So 'incels' are here to stay as well. Then you have to have the red pill group who have to learn how to adapt to a marriageless society full of promiscuous women. They are all a reaction to feminism, but there is nothing else that can be done. Men are having to adapt to the new paradigm women have created. Each man has to choose the framework that suits his particular lot in life. Red pill for those that want to work on their bodies and finance an get better at dealing with women's preferences, black pill for nihiliists who have accepted they will never find love or success. Mgtow for men who have accepted that marriage is too big a risk, passport bros for men who still want marriage but realise modern western women are unsuitable for it. Etc.
People don't seem to understand that feminists have permanently changed society and the dating market. Almost everyone is going to be single, forever. Men are adapting to that situation and having to come up with models for how to live life in a world where at any one point in time 75% and growing of men and women are going to be single. Feminism has destroyed marriage, love, romance, faith, loyalty and commitment. All the male spaces are doing is trying to find a way to navigate the new landscape. There are no solutions. The solution is Christianity. But almost all women are leftists, so the solution cannot be implemented. So men just have to do the best they can and pick a model on how to live.
Red pill and fourth-wave feminism are two sides of the same coin. Movements that started with good intentions that devolved into hating the opposite sex through half truths used to generate outrage. This outrage helps both of these movements make a lot of money and garner a lot of power and influence. They are taking advantage of these people.
I just turned 20 a week ago, ever since that day I have been afraid of aging lol. I feel like I will lose my value as a woman when I hit 40 due to all of this rhetoric of "the wall". I've gone so far as to ask my boyfriend if he'll love me when I am 40, he said yes, but I have this mentality that I'll lose my value as soon as I hit 40...I have gone so far as to look at anti aging methods. I know it's just red pill talk but I can't help but feel like it might apply to me, heck, there are even some that say that you hit "the wall" at 23... I don't know, it's just so worrying for me as a woman, because I wanna have value.
The thing is that they say it because child bearing qualities drastically fall down after 30. Even by their logic, if you have children, you wouldn't really lose your value. That's at least how i understand what they try to say.
"The wall" mainly refers to fertility not necessarily your overall value as a person. It's part of you that gives value, but so are your personality, ideology, intelligence, beauty and communication. And there is also value in the relationship you build. So if you manage to stay with that same boyfriend until 40 do you think he is really going to throw away 20 years of companion ship for some rando woman? Probably not. So it matters but it's not all that matters.
'They both have points, but they tend to take it too far and use it as justification. . .". That line rings so true and sums up so many "movements" . Well said.
I like how the red pill guy says "Jeff Bezos is short" like he has a hard time attracting women?! It's a hilarious way to disprove the point that women are obsessed with height.
Well it true some stent short guy do get lot slak from women not be tall and money lot girls is more on think men do spend more on girls them over way round.
Not Heigh, it's masculinity, these guys don't get it because of it's money and height why do bad boys, bums and the worst men on planet earth have multiple kids and endless supplies of women.
Did the dude (6:35 or so) really just say that in Europe women don’t show a preference for taller men “because they use the metric system”?…😂 (Yes, I realize he was saying the rates don’t plummet in Europe at 5’11 specifically because they use the metric system; but with the lack of European study equivalents provided, it really comes across as “women in Europe don’t favor men over 183cm *because they use the metric system*.”)
Yeah that first take was beyond stupid. And he didn't cite any studies or anything to establish that only men can have sex with someone they hate anyway. Just an empty assertion. I'm very much a traditional conservative and so I can't stand feminism just like the so-called "red pillers" can't stand it. But it does strike me as odd how those who are the most adamant about changing the divorce laws, seem to be the ones more likely to give women a good reason to divorce them in the first place.
While I as a man get where a lot of redpillers are coming from, I think there’s a lot of bitterness and anger, especially considering they swear up and down that they are not emotional.
I'm grateful to the red pill community and the manosphere opening my eyes and keeping me informed. But there are some bad actors within the community (childish trolls)... of whom I don't appreciate at all.
@Soumya-bw3wg I don't know if that's true. Maybe you're paying attention to the wrong ones. There are plenty of upstanding productive men (and women, for that matter) within the manosphere.
@Soumya-bw3wg Mediocre Tutorials and Reviews, Poor Man's Podcast, Chisha Zed, Stevie Knight, Beastmod Smooth, Tribe of Men, Arako TV, J Hall, Melanie King, Pink Book Lessons, It's Complicated... I could go on. They all present positive meaningful content that helps men and boys... and they seem to be good people... but how do we really know that about anyone?
I think expectations can be reasonable and understandable. I have no trouble with my lady expecting me to take the trash out once it’s full, and I hope she doesn’t mind me expecting her to take the dogs out when I’m not home. But an expectation is like an idea of what is the proper sensible thing to do. Sometimes expectations can even be agreed upon implicitly or explicitly. But a demand is not an expectation. A demand is a reinforcement of what you want someone else to do, and often it might come from an expectation that said person doesn’t want to do what you want or participate. Demands aren’t productive in partnerships, but expectations can be healthy as long as they are reasonable and agreed upon.
A marriage is built on trust. Cheating on yr spouse betrays that trust. The STDs you pick up on the streets and bring home to yr wife and kids don’t care if you hated the girl or not. People are so selfish these days 😒
Bro majority of these mainstream social media dating podcasts are just a cesspool of narcissistic behavior, stupidity, ego and the need for self justification.
I am just tired of the endless blame game played by both feminists and the red pill. Gender roles don't matter bc when we love someone we auto adjust to their preferences and so our best to support them. It is not jst a thing women do but a thing men have to start doing.lets both set healthy and realistic standards n not standards based on fantasy.
Women can't have hate sex apparently, he said with a straight face, like enemies to lovers trope isn't the most popular trope in all romcoms and romance books because women like that idea 😂
I find myself dumbfounded every time I watch any red pill video and they cite studies as a reason for them to have outlandish takes against women. All I see is a lot of frail egos and insecurity, that would scare any potential partner easily.
5:57 the problem isn’t just with generalizing dating app data onto the population it’s with his shifting of the goal posts: People have natural preferences. I’m sure those apps have data (analysis) on it it would show guys on average reacting increasingly positive to larger breast size (possibly also up to a maximum where ir drops). What you cannot do is translate that into: short guys get hated on. Many women may have a preference for a taller man, but very few women would act degradingly towards shorter men
The redpill podcast has become a competition of who can say the most controversial thing and get views. You took all the words out of my mouth. The double standards of these red pills. Wanting a traditional woman whilst not being a traditional man. Sleeping around outside of your marriage is not to any book or traditional.
Nothing wrong with facts- but they’re still gonna ovulate every month until menopause so that 3% doesn’t really mean anything unless you’re talking in regards to what year they end up hitting menopause
10:08 preference for taller guys does make sense. There's a biological theory that states Women prefer tall guys as they feel a sense of safety with them. They know he'll be able to defend her and himself if a threatening situation arises.
Plus most men in history were relatively the same size with a few exceptions and were mostly malnutritioned so it's unlikely that they could much fighting anyway.
The same argument you are making can be made in the case of men wanting not promiscuos women because they also feel safe with them regarding their dna surviving to the next generation
@@joegambitt7414 biology isn't equal and that is why we have morals and law. While women's preferences are barely hurting anyone because we just want men who are taller than us. Men's preferences of being polygamous could ruin lives. Not to mention it's just stupid on your part if you're just going around making everyone pregnant when you can't afford child care for every single child or even afford to be a father figure in their lives.
@aarchisha625 how do you that women are only looking for guys taller then them ? 60% of women on Bumble set their height preferences to 6ft+. Only 15% of men in USA & 10% worldwide are taller then that. There's literally a comment above you by a women saying that all of her friends shorter then 5'4 prefer guys 5'11 or taller. So, .. Also about cheating. If you're going to date guys who are 6ft & above, obviously they're going to cheat considering each of them have statistically so many women to choose from.
@@srizangupta1957Interesting take, Bumble statistics don't necessarily cover all the demographic of women. But to answer your question, setting a height preference doesn't mean it's a strict requirement. In fact, statistics is a stock concept, so it doesn't record the change in preferences due to maturation and gaining experience. And are you implying that short guys don't cheat because they have lesser "options"? And ALL tall guys cheat because they have a lot of "options" ? I also feel like if you actually love someone, you probably won't think of those "options" and sometimes, women don't even care about the height if they really like a man that's not upto their preference.
Got to the part where the guy said that if he got with a single mother and built a bond with her kid and then they broke up, he'd have no rights to the kid...but, I have a family member who went through a similar situation. He adopted his stepkids during the marriage and got as much custody of them after the divorce as he did his bio kid. He's the only dad they've ever known so why wouldn't he?
I actually don’t mind some the points made on these podcast it just how they see it as a one way street. I don’t mind a man wanting a woman with a low body count or to be virgin I just think he has to mirror that too. A lot of women don’t want a man that have slept with 80 women we don’t want to be out and about and every time we’re in a restaurant they another woman there that experienced you, that doesn’t make us feel good either
exactly,these manosphere dudes want to be with any woman they want and expect the woman they are with to just be with them,they will fail with that logic
If you sleep with someone you hate, you're broken
Or a sex addict. Either way not good for one's character
@@TacseraEpSekahsaddicts are broken
Literally sex/porn addicts
Cheating is equally bad between sexes. If we were trying to rate which is worse having sex with someone you hate is arguably more of an insult than doing it with someone you know.
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As a 41 year old man I honestly dont remember dating being this complicated back in the late 90s.
As a 53 year old man I can assure you it was. The difference is technology. We didn’t have instagram so access to people was limited, compared to today’s dating landscape. Salute to you Brother
It’s hard to even compare the two time periods. Dating in the 90’s was awesome.
I know, it's so bizarre
Well feminism ruined everything. Times changes
Im a 2000s baby but it seems that in the 90s and earlier people chose partners based on values, character and morals but not its about money, status and idk, cars n shit.
As a man I've never understood the argument that we can cheat and not feel anything because how would that make women feel better like you fucked up your relationship for someone you didn't even care about that would make me feel so much worse.
These dudes are thinking they’re speaking for all men, when in reality they’re only speaking for themselves.
It's really not that hard to commit to one woman. Going out and finding side chick's would only add so much drama to your life
Agreed! Not to mention that she'd be terrified of catching an STD if she was dumb enough to stay with him. Then they blame women for filing for divorce more often even if their infidelity is the actual cause of the divorce in the first place.
This was the first time I have ever heard this argument, I do not understand it at all lmao. Obviously you're a piece of shit if you cheat on your partner.
@CamrynnsSO do women what is your point
Cheating is cheating, no matter who does it. I’ve been married twice and only have a body count of 2. My late husband and my husband.
I commend you for that
And your husbands body count?
@@VenusManTrap-777 probably less than 99% of those women on that show XD
Plain and simple. Cheating is wrong. Whoever does it.
Truth. But I'm really curious what your dude's count is 🤔 or if it would have been a deciding factor for you?
I'm going to quote Uncle Iroh " if you only gather knowledge from one source then you become rigid and stale".
life is about balance because too much of anything is good for nothing, once you swing too far right or left you've lost the plot
he was wise and why he was the dragon of the west
It’s scary how well that quote applies to today.
i watch Netflix's Avatar show i give it 5/10.
@@cazyjohn2005 I checked out the first episode just now, not completely sold on it. It’s definitely better than the movie (although that’s not a high bar to meet at all) and there were some things they did that were different from the original show that I liked. But so far? Eh.
@@gryffindorftw6198 The open scene where the fire nation attack the airbenders give me order 66 vibes. there are some new scenes i like.
“Men can have sex with someone they hate”
Nah, *THE CLOWN SAYING THAT* can have sex with someone he hates. These people tell on themselves, then chock it up to “men” doing something, as if it’s a widely general thing that occurs. So much strawmanning. 😵💫
like having a sex with someone you hate and is not your partner is no big deal in relationship... so sad.
Yah they rather have sex with someone they hate rather than be loyal to their partners. They rather risk their partners getting an STD than not have a sexual encounter with someone they hate. Yikes man
Yeah it's hilarious
"Oh hey I betrayed you knowing it would destroy you, but really, I don't really like the person I betrayed you for, so it's not a big deal"😂
How is this not worse?😂
it takes a different kind of fucked up to be able to have sex with someone you hate. no man or woman with honor would do that
Most men can, it’s a generalization because in general it’s true. A man doesn’t need to love kleenex
Red pill used to be guys drawn to forums where certain ideas were actually thought out. Now, it’s just an identity that certain Internet personalities glomb onto.
Tbf it’s original origin was 4chan. Where people who held anti-semetic views were seen as being “red pilled”.
“Red pill” because of the red pill in the movie “the matrix”.
And the idea was that when someone also held anti-semetic pro nazi views, they “woke up” to the “fact” that “the jews rule the world”.
So even its origins are cancer.
Same with sjw’s
Neither were ever good.
When the red pill started, it actually wasn’t that bad. It was channels dedicated to helping men be better (finicial, physical, etc). It was mainly about what foods you should eat/avoid, grooming, people skills, working out. It had nothing to do with women, maybe a little with dating, but just improving yourself to be a better partner. It got lost when all the videos with ridiculous comp of women. There’s a creator who said it best,” If I make a video with how you should be improving yourself, it will get 1/4 of the views. Compared to ‘Oh, look at this woman’s comments.’”
It’s called “grifting.” The people spouting it the loudest nowadays are solely in it for the money.
yet another example of how social media encourages people to be polarizing and willfully ignorant with their opinions and posts.@@somethingawesome1462
I mean, the original concept was just a sociology joke regarding post-modernism, the matrix movies and the so called "seeing behind the curtain of society and into the machinery and systems that determine how the world objectively is".
What it is now as a meme? I have no idea tbh. Probably something politically motivated to a degree.
The red pill took a different path but ended up in the same spot as feminism is right now. The EGO is a hell of a thing.
Yo so perfectly said.
Aba and Preach said something to the same effect
i m literally skipping all the podcast parts
The red pill is just pandering to groups of men who can't get the woman they want. Its done for money and views, that's it.
You really have no idea what feminism is. I am very happy that I am allowed to work, to make the decision if I want to be married or not, that I can have children or not, that I am allowed to have a bank account and my own money that not directly goes to the husband, to go to school, to have knowledge about my female organs, to be allowed to not feel ashamed about my sexuality and that I am a woman, that I can go the path I want to go and don´t have to be forced a certain path in life that men force me to go, I don´t have to ask my husband if he allowes any life choice of my personal existence
Clip #1 defeated its own point. If the guy believes that a woman must be emotionally connected to someone before having sex--an idea I personally agree with--that makes it worse when a man cheats because he is betraying a higher tier of trust, whereas its worse when a woman cheats because she is emotionally invested (and as such is probably done with the sucker she isn't in bed with atm). Both are equally wrong, for completely opposite reasons. Which is why NO ONE should be cheating. If you're not happy, LEAVE.
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I completely agree, but I think the point that are making is that one spells doom for the relationship. When men cheat, they often don't even fully understand the hurt they cause until they see their partners reaction to it. I mean I already do, and it's part of why I've never cheated. But women can be much more deceptive and pernicious with cheating. I just read a Reddit post last night where a man found out that ALL FOUR of his children were not his. They were all fathered by his COUSIN, who lived across the street.
Men don't do that kind of stuff haha. That's some very dark, cold stuff. It's WAY more common than you think it is by the way. Paternal Fraud.
@@SubvertTheState I don't know dude - first - the reddit scenario is awful. Shame on that woman.
But my friend's dad had been cheating on his ex-wife with a lady he worked with for 20 years. it didn't finally come out until about 2019. That man stole 20 years of my friend's mom's life when he could have just come clean and said: I don't love you anymore, we need to separate. OR better to have not cheated in the first place and make his marriage work. My friend's sister btw is not interested in getting married now because of it. that's how damaging his affair was - his own daughter doesn't even want to try to put herself out there.
You can't believe for one second that my friend's dad "didn't fully understand the hurt he caused", because you have to be mentally retarded to not understand that cheating is going to hurt your partner. Are we saying that men are mentally retarded in this situation? I should hope not.
I think that's the main point. Cheating is awful no matter who does it for what reason. to try and look at technicalities is playing a losing game to see "who's the better cheater?" is so stupid when as a society, we should us all agree: it ain't a pissing contest - stay married and don't cheat.
@@SubvertTheStateto be fair, men don't do "that kind of stuff"-- i.e. paternity fraud-- because men aren't the ones who bear children; the maternity of a child is never in question, so the reverse situation is kind of impossible. This is arguably a big reason why there has existed this "double standard" historically -- i.e. that a woman's sexuality was typically much more scrutinized than a man's: you could argue that this was a necessary social convention in order for men to ensure that they were the father to any children their wife bore them, and a safeguard against being duped into raising another man's children and losing the opportunity to pass on their own line.
@@SubvertTheState Out of curiosity, why do you say men don't do that kind of stuff? Of course paternal fraud is unique to women because men literally *can't* do that...but I don't see any barrier to them being equally deceptive and pernicious about cheating. To make an equivalency with children, lots of men had whole "other families" that never knew about each other, something that is near-impossible for women to do. I would also note that even if the man didn't fully understand the hurt they'd cause (which isn't a male/female thing, it's because we rationalize away our own behaviors), they clearly know it's going to be a problem or they'd have done it openly.
Lol “Can you fight?” Well 5ft Cindy can buy a Glock, so that evolutionary standard no longer applies 😁
Clever retort
😅😅😅@@nicholascoob1350 this happens when ego is superior than logic
5ft Cindy 😂
LOL considering that even an 18 year old can purchase a firearm without strict requirements 😂
Hearing a red pilled guy trying to give relationship advice is like hearing Adin Ross or IShowSpeed trying to give a lecture on quantum mechanics
I’m gonna ai voice both of them explaining quantum mechanics. Thanks for the inspiration 😂
Red pill is a hit or miss. Just because You see the truth. Does it mean you handle it well. But never take the advice from a feminist.
Lmao they truly give relationship advice! And they think it works well because we women love being mistreated
This is pure madness
@@Melodysupporter - Yet women cheat more and initiate domestic violence more than men. Women do not give better relationship advice because they hate their "friends" being happy when they are not. Ask any married woman why they don't like divorced female friends near their husbands!! Single women have an amazing capacity to keep other single women single. If mistreatment by men is your experience of men you might want to stop chasing men who are out of your league, make better choices and cultivate those guys who aren't being chased by hordes of other women. Otherwise, your misandry is showing!!
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I have no problem dating a man with kids. I just don't want the kids to meet me until the guy and I are sure we have something serious together. I don't want to confuse the kids or get them attached to me if I am only a temporary distraction.
Baby mama always come first. You need to date men that don’t have kids.
@@atomicgun2491 The baby comes first! The new girlfriend is 2nd and the baby momma is last. Why would a baby momma ever come first when she was left for a reason?
@@atomicgun2491indeed it's always best to stay away from people with kids. To much drama. Let people with kids date people with kids.
Good on you!
I would do the same!
If you're going to date men with kids I recommend either dating a widower or divorced dad. If the man did not marry the mother of his child stay away.
"Can you fight?" Dude unironically thinks that's a gotcha...? How often are hordes of ninjas coming to attack the homestead?
“Can you fight?”
Well, that’s irrelevant too because how many times are we going to be in a situation where you need to fight someone off? Gotta eat every day though! And as a grown ass adult, I find it really odd if a grown ass man doesn’t know how to cook. At least the simplest of meals. That’s the bare minimum of being a functioning member of society.
Oh, they are going to learn soo much on how to cook for one
In safe western countries in most neighborhoods of a certain economic status we don’t need to fight or look like we can fight. But looking like a weak man also has its disadvantages
A grown man not knowing how to cook is really sad
@@dannyphantom3090 A grown woman not knowing how to cook is equally sad. Let's not pretend they don't exist.
Not irrelevant, are you daft?! It only takes ONE time to be in a situation where you need to fight someone off to lose your life.
The core flaw of the red pill movement is wanting all of the perks of being in a traditional relationship but taking none of the responsibilities that come with it. It's parallel to feminism in that regard.
If you want to be in a traditional relationship, cool. If you want to be in a non-traditional one, also cool. The internet isn't real life and people think they can have it all when relationships are significantly deeper than what these podcasts convey.
Sort of. The problem is that we are not in a traditional society anymore, and men have to navigate an entirely new landscape. Men know it's far superior for the woman to be a virgin, but virgins don't exist. most women have triple digit bodycounts. Men know that marriage is absolutely key to building a better future for children, but the laws are all against men and make it nearly impossible. So you have to be aware of the ideal, but then also be realistic as to the nature of the actual situation.
not true, most women shared the same guys, nmost men never passed on their genes historically
most women shared the same guys, nmost men never passed on their genes historically @@scartissuefilms
TRIPLE DIGITS!? Dude, get out of your LaLaLand xD
I think feminism reach that state much longer ago. They preach to want equality and have the same rights as men but never they went up to the streets to have the same duties as well. You dont see them making protests to have the same prision time or to be draft to military.
Cooking and cleaning is not a traditional role for a woman,it should be BASIC LIFE SKILLS, if you can't clean and cook after yourself then you are a child not an adult
Yep, just like earning a living. They're all basic life skills.
It is a traditional role for a woman. The men would work n the fields and build things, the women would make food to keep them going. Work used to be REALLY hard and the men would need large amounts of calories to just keep going.
It is a traditional role for women. Has been for centuries.
@@scartissuefilms Men weren't the only ones to be invloved when it comes to working in the fields. Entire families were, children included.
I think they meant it as in Men go work , Woman "work" the house. Like that.
Ok how is being able to have sex with someone you hate BETTER than being able to have sex with someone you've formed an emotional bond to. That would make literally any woman feel horrible. Am I just a piece of meat to you? If you can have sex with ANYBODY, do you even love _me?_
Like bro what
If you had a child who was only a picky eater when you as their mother cooked but liked your sisters cooking, that wouldn’t hurt as much as if they liked everyone’s food including yours
@@Mngobesewhat🤨
@@Mngobese I'm having a little bit of trouble following the logic here, sorry. Why would it hurt at all if they liked everyone's food, including mine?
@@SparkleCakezzthat wouldn't happen if women (not all but most) were not so against 50/50 type of relationships
Yall already say men are this men are that ( pigs, dogs pile of vomit ) and when you get treated with the same type of medicine you complain ? Cmon now let's have soke consistency here
Why are these people using the phrase “red pill” for this?? Red pill is finding out the truth about something. When you realized Santa wasn’t a real person you were “red pilled”.
On the number of partners, I don’t think that correlates. People who seek out fewer partners are more likely to be happier in marriage.
because girls often hide (usually by omission out of ignorance or sometimes shame) what they really find attractive in guys. Girls will usually say "I wish men brought me flowers", "less aggressive", "more emotionally intelligent". Men who do these things get no pussy or cheated on or both. Women leave out the part they only want it from men they find attractive. What do women typically find attractive? Aggressive men. Selfish men. Masculine men. Dominant men. Good-looking, manipulative men. All features that almost completely oppose what a woman would typically say she wants. So guys like myself have gone from prioritising being a good person (what women say they want) to prioritising gaming life (gym, clothing, having options, learning manipulation techniques, career) and have seen a literal 1000% increase in success with women. I am so much more disrespectful and selfish but I get rewarded for it. That is the red pill. Realising being nice is a complete waste of time, as a straight man, except potentially within the bounds of a relationship, and even then it really depends on the woman.
I think it's just how language works over time. The manosphere hijacked the meaning and most of the use of the Red Pill as a phrase. Just as the word and use of the term Woke became a descripter of a group of ideologies. I imagine the loudest and unfortunately the most obnoxious become word thiefs
Great comment. Red Pill is accepting the truth, or at least being able to see things as they truly are…not as they should be
They use the term for the same reason we had “operation freedom” and why companies say they value “diversity”. It is easier to sell whatever they really wanna do
I think we call them that because that’s what they call themselves. They think they’re telling the truth and setting people free 🙄
If the wife is sick and she’s the one that’s responsible for cooking and is the only one that can cook, who is going to be the one to feed everyone? Is he just going to eat out all the time? That’s a waste of money when you can just cook all the meals yourself.
The wife shouldn't be the only one cooking in the first place, the husband should be doing it too,this is common sense
@@purplelove3666lol a mans gotta eat
@@purplelove3666 Also this also means that Myron either pays someone to cook his meals or he eats out all the time. That’s wild
@@mrsentencename7334 great, he can cook for himself too.
@@purplelove3666 Fair enough, then she should be out and working as well. We split the bills 50/50, go change the tires, while I do the laundry instead.
I don’t see handsome successful men with podcasts complaining about women.
yep!
Tristan tate
I don't hold men to any standard I don't keep for myself.
Same.
Fr. Unless it’s a gender specific standard lol, like being masculine vs being feminine
@@EmmaxoOCEan example of that would be?
@@jaymiles5206 I just listed it. For example a man may want a feminine woman but he isn’t going to act feminine most likely, he would act masculine. I did list it after saying the word ‘like’
It will always be funny to me how red pilers are just radical feminist but on the other side, so funny and ironic
its evolutionary biology you dont get it because you're not a man
Ironically, the guys that aren't into this sort of stuff have more luck with girls rather than the guys that are into the red pill...at least from what I have noticed.
Ironically, the guys that aren't into this RP stuff or are moderate with it are the ones that have more luck with girls instead of the ones that are VERY into RP content...at least from what I have noticed. Almost like you attract women by treating them like human beings...no way!
RP is evolutionary biology, we're very different
@@cherryhazard8002 Oh god not the "You don't treat women like people" assumption. I'm sorry but that complaint is just tired and not nessesarily true.
There are tons of men who treat women like people they just don't know how to flirt or seduce women. There are tons of toxic men I know who treat women like trash and still get play.
I think you are overrating morality when it comes to getting women
I love how she criticizes both sides equally. Sometimes I wish there were more youtubers like Xina but the fact that there aren't makes it even a better day when she uploads
yeah, the right dose some dumb stuff too
Lauren Chen, Alex Clark, and Lauren Southern are also some great fair and balanced commentators.
The problem that I see usually comes from the left.
This diagusting tribalism needs to go.
Nowadays, if you critize both sides ,you're not seen central....
You're immediately a right wing extremist.
And yes, this has happened to me irl aswell.
People just assume you're right wing or even an extremist the second you disagree with their side or have the audacity to say that there is SOME reason on both sides. It's tiring and just straight up sad....
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 ehh I am subscribed to Lauren Chen but she's always seemed pretty much on the right to me. But I haven't watched her in a while so I could be wrong tho
@@McNugge. amen M8 the whole Left/Right binary is so corrupt, toxic, and hypocritical and we deserve a government that reflects the diversity of thought (I'm from the USA but I imagine this applying to the UK, Canada, and other countries too). Like conservatives need to realize that just because I'm pro-choice and have my pronouns in my IG bio doesn't make me a liberal or a leftist. And leftists and liberals need to realize that just because I support gun rights and small government doesn't make me a conservative.
It’s so hard to listen to these red pill guys. They are so cringe
Now imagine trying to listen to feminists. The last ones are even bashing other women for wanting to be stay at home wives
@@ianesgrecia8568 trust me I have. Equally difficult to listen to. But most of the time worse cause they have super annoying and irritating voices
So many of these red pillers are dudes sitting around gossiping and complaining about women. These dudes don't come across as all that masculine to me.
As a woman they’re very unattractive, not necessarily in looks, but definitely in personality.
@@ianesgrecia8568 both sides of the same coin.
"this doesn't happen in Europe cause they use the metric system" 😂
That's pure logic. Also, another reason to join the metric system. 😜
Facts.
You nailed it, redpill dudes are drama kings
100% agree. Just like feminists are a bunch of hypocrites beaches
100% agree. Just like feminists are a bunch of breaches.
I agree. Just like the femins are breaches
agreed. And those feminists are whiches
@@ianesgrecia8568At least feminists aren't shooting up schools and travelling to other countries to take advantage of underaged people 🤷
Why do these men have such a combative communication style? They seem so bitter and are looking for science to justify their bitterness
exactly
It's not related to emotions, it's related to the problem they are trying to solve. Men always had a "combative style" whatever that means to motivate, to criticise or to compete. So it will sound harsh, rude, trial and error, and that's it.
These people need to realize that the internet and reality are two different things. Getting all worked up when they could just go outside and see that all different types of guys are already in loving relationships. Fat,short, tall, buff, it really doesn't matter. Everyone has their own thing and if you're a red pill guy who is not getting any and choosing to blame it on the woman, please look at your character first, that might have something to do with it.
FACTS
with their logic it even worse that a guy is cheating because he is not even doing it for feelings he is betraying the one he loves just for physical pleasure.
most women shared the same guys, nmost men never passed on their genes historically . Men can love one and step out easily
No, you don’t get the point.
The point is that if a woman cheats on you, which would mean she has feeling for another man, your relationship is already over and there is no going back. Whereas if a man cheats he wouldn’t get emotionally invested and still « loves » his woman.
(And that’s bullshit too because if you love someone it’s easy enough to keep your dick in your pants, but it’s less extreme than the way you put it)
That’s partly why imo prn isn’t cheating.
No one is getting emotionally involved in prn and it’s just a way to get the urge out of the way.
@@RR-et6zp What the F are you even on about? “ most women shared the same guys”? Do you think some special men across history had some sort of harem of women? Dude, did you miss all the history classes in school?
@@RR-et6zp not you spreading your weird “lizard-man”-level theories.
thats not true@@Starberry7
Regarding the height conversation:
I have a lot of very short, female friends and the vast majority of them have all said they want someone 5'11" or taller. This is coming from women who are 5'4" or shorter. It's because when they wear heels, they still want to be towered over. So honestly, there is a lot of truth to the height debate and it's not just from dating apps. Personally, I'm 5'6" and generally go for men who are at least 5'8", but am not opposed to shorter if I meet them in the real world and there is some chemistry.
It's very true particularly in America dating apps did not create this they just reflect it.
It's true, it's even statistically supported actually. I'd rather people just accept and move on rather than gaslight men into thinking that they're being obsessively superficial or insecure.
Funny how a lot of the comments here say that height does not matter because you can eazily deafeat someone with a pistol, while theres a lot of comments of girls still dating taller guys
I don't think it reflects all women since not all of them use high heels.
I do think that women want men taller than themselves but not only 6ft tall men. After all, men are on average taller than women.
Also, tall women are not that popular with men. So men themselves also have a preference for shorter women than themselves.
I agree with everything you said. As a virgin, I only wanted a man who was a virgin. The red pill trying to justify cheating made me not like the movement. I feel like they also take the worst kind of people on their podcasts to prove that all women are horrible, but there are women who have low body count and moral standards and we do not want to be with a cheater. I would rather have a short guy than a cheater with a high body count.
Sydney Watson has a great video where she blasts these sorts of podcasts, if you are curious.
May I ask, are you married now?
Agree with you. Same with me, i am 23 y.o, virgin women, i want men who can control their desire, have low body count or better-a virgin just like me 😂😂
i blame the dating apps for the extreme bias towards physical features. I find mental features really attractive but i don't think i could avoid the physical bias that the dating app present. you get pics and a little bit of text. so it is almost all physical features. the text is just a tiny piece of insight into their personality. Dating apps are absolute hellscapes.
Ooh, maybe make a dating website or app where pictures are disallowed; only a description of physical features and personal interests with an avatar. MAYBE a name too.
When on dates, the person at Place X can have a particular clothing or a rose for identification.
Yup, welcome to the meat market, lets hope someone finds you to be a filet mignon.
Is there a single person on this planet who thinks that myron gaines would put himself at risk to protect a woman he's with?😂😂😂
Dickhead would push chicky toward the bullet, if he didn't hire the assassin himself. Like some kinda wacked out cartoon. 🤣
He was a federal agent he put himself at risk for people he wasn't dating. Working human trafficking for save girls mostly. .
@@shanenolan5625 but he said "saving red pill men is better than saving children" smh
@@roselaqueen3105 well maybe there would be less children in danger if men were saved. ? Like preventive care . Like we do with teenage girls to avoid being single mothers. Or like we used to .
@@roselaqueen3105 but your comment at least acknowledges that he did do that and disproves the original comment and those that agreed. In my experience very few men would do nothing to protect a. Women in their life . Lots of men do it for strangers.
I don't think it's good for anyone, especially humanity, that a group of people is literally trying to generalize, in worst ways, half of humanity, based on gender. That's no different than any other generalization, like racism, or nationalism or hate based on religion or any other "ism". What are you gaining by trying to make half of humanity hate the other half? And the halves who really need each other and could live in lovely harmony? Why? To generate hate out of thin air? To make everyone miserable, alone, bitter and angry? To make people hate each other or fear each other based on something they can't change, literally their chromosomes? This is INSANE! So much unnecessary hate, so much unnecessary despise and dissing people for literally nothing. I am so sad this is what humanity has become. This life could be beautiful and everyone could be happy, yet a lot of people just generate and radiate hate. Because... they can.
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Population collapse will help the environment so there is that.
Ikr? Like if it's generalizing a small community known for something I can understand that, but dudes really trying to generalize an entire species while forgetting that everyone is different
Thats if you assume that most Redpilled channels are based off hate. They are not. They are trying to get paid. So grifting gets them exactly that.
@@kingtut645 Getting paid does not remove hatred from the equation. I'm sure Hitler paid his generals, etc. well.
The “your is to make me a sandwich” guy had me laughing so hard lol. I was thinking the same thing you said: how often are you fighting off intruders? How often do you need to eat? Maybe he needs a system, for every intruder he fights off, he earns 3 sandwiches.
That's fair! Standing offer honestly, anybody that saves me from a home invasion can get a handcrafted sandwich from me lol!
depends how much your life is worth in sandwiches
So your safety is worth 3 sandwiches, got it.
I love to cook and clean for my partner, but if he *ever* told me that I have to do it because it's my natural role, I would no longer enjoy it. The same men who demand a woman to cook for them often also get mad if they're expected to pay 100% of the bills/rent.
Edit: I thought I should say that people really underestimate how, in this current cost of living crisis, it is *extremely* difficult to live off of one income. So, if the woman is also working and contributing financially, then the man should take some part in the household chores too. If you want the woman to be the sole homemaker, then don't complain when those same women ask for a man who makes 6 figures, because honestly, that's the only way it will work in this economy.
Then how are men supposed to find women who naturally know and like to cook and clean instead of having it as a standard?
No man are useully expect to pay so they dont get mad they fell its their duty but woman dont like the burden of performance in the relationship and also man cant have standards anymore and they cant hold acountable
nobody naturally knows how to cook, it's a learned skill
type in 'I need mommy to have sex with', just be honest about it
there are a lot of women who baby their husbands
Same here. I like having a clean space and to bake and cook for someone I love. If it became a demand I would lose the passion I have for it and it would become a chore I don't look forward to.
@@joashedwards7206 through observation and getting to know someone. If I am dating someone and hang out at their house a couple of times I can eventually pickup on their cleaning habits. You could even make a comment like "Oh I love how your place is always clean whenever I come over. You must be really organized and tidy."
Same goes for someone who likes cooking or baking. If they're love language is acts of service they will eventually do that for you if they know how to cook or bake.
I don't cook or bake for people I don't know. I do it out of love for the people I care about.
Patience touches on this around 16:20 on why this is an issue. You lose appreciation for the person who does this because you made it a demand and not an act of love.
From what limited stuff I’ve seen from some red pill creators some of the advice for like the self help stuff is solid. It’s when they start talking about women that it’s like ohhhh your high school crush didn’t like you back and now you hate women
LMAO EXACTLY 😂😂
That's redpill rage, discard the highschool rejection you used as an example. Women and relationships are a problem for men because of the ever old risks associated, challenges and confusion related to this problem ever evolving and also complexity of it is so varied. Fear, weakness or distrust in women or having a potential relationship they desire is always combating inside. Men and boys frazy physical touch, a comnection and probably offspring. But this world is fully bent on exploiting, lying, decieving men and women.
When a man or boy has been lied too, is redpilled by either peaceful or traumatic means, they will be willing to look for answers. Redpill rage is a phenomenon that happens over time, associated with rage of the truth, pain of seing this impossible task ahead of you...and it takes years for some to get over it, some don't and get blackpilled. Blackpill is what you would call redpill extreme, where solutions are less about morality but more like prescriptions, redpill isn't about giving prescriptions, rather it's a praxeology, not a philosophy. To understand more, seek out Rollo Tomassi.
Yes redpill is a part of manosphere content, yes the manosphere is an internet movement. But men slways have different opinions, always bash heads, and you are seing the internsl struggle which slways has been there.
Some part of it is disbelief from newly redpilled men, or from ex-assosisted redpilled guys who swallowed the bluepill lie cause it felt better to live in delusion...they would backstab and smear the redpill to make the little lady happy.
So again, where is msn supposed to get support? From feminist? 😂
What Red Pillers need to appreciate is that two "different acts" (whether it's a man or a woman cheating) can still cause the same level of harm even if it's in two different ways.
I have to disagree on this.
It’s like saying them taking someone with a pew pew hurts less than me stabbing. 😂 We both took someone out
Let's combine two of these. So height is irrelevant because guns exist now? That also means gender is irrelevant concerning fighting because a woman shooting a bullet through your head kills you just as much as if a guy would shoot you in the head. Therefor women can in fact 'fight' just as well as a man if they both know how to use a gun. So back to the question. Women can fight, but can you cook?
Cook and bake, nothing difficult about reading the instructions on a box.
Unless a person is braindead (or heavily disabled) is fair to assume they are able to cook, yes
@@alastairthegreat2887 Apparently not to apha males... a personal chef is a nessecity. "Mommy I want sandwich now!!1!!"
What a weird comment. Are you the type people call beta male ?
@@YazzyFairy yeah go make one and feed the man in your life if u have one
16:12 COULD NOT AGREE MORE! Entitlement without gratitude. Whatever I do for you I do out of love, because I want to do it for you and because I take joy in your happiness NOT because you inherently deserve or are entitled to it! Humility, graciousness, forgiveness are the keys to any successful relationship
With the cheating thing, once you commit to a woman, you have to be loyal. Its unacceptable to cheat as a grown man
Imagine finding out the love of your life, your husband cheating on you and then proceeds to tell you that it’s OK because he hates the woman he slept with so that makes you think how low he must think of you to cheat on you with somebody he dislikes even more than you.😮
it's even worse when grown ass men are trying to justify it because they made up some fake biology garbage
Stop it, men can cheat women, can't
Heteropessimism needs to go...coming from a gay guy myself. It pains me to see these "gender wars" play out online. Although I'm not straight, it makes me sad to see men and women online fight over nonsense instead of using empathy to understand each other and engage in healthy dialogues.
Same here!
Exactly thank you ❤
I've seen it done by gay men, and I'm sure it's fun, but don't embolden hetero-women to say nonsense or make terrible choices lol.
Some gay dude talking to that Call Me Daddy chick saying it was "valid" to ask for a man's bank account is the peak of this. Don't dump gasoline onto the dumpster fire.
FOR REAL,thank you!!
as a straight woman myself i agree
These guys do the very same thing they try to “humble” women about
exactly
On that first clip, I think regardless if you're a man or woman,-cheating is cheating point blank.
And if your saying its "different" I think that's hypocrisy tbh.
Anyone who does not recognize that cheating by either partner in a relationship is wrong is a person who should not be in a relationship. Period.
@@kathycoleman4648 100%
Men and women are different, and the way they behave towards sex is different. Men can cheat in a way that doesn't threaten the marriage, that's much rarer with women. I agree with you that it shouldn't happen, but it is also different. Men's sex drive and evolutionary drive are very different than women's.
@@scartissuefilms I wholeheartedly disagree. Men and women are different definitely. But men cheating still would threaten the marriage, just as much as a women doing it would.
@@soomi5667its because people dont understand that fresh and fit are not talking about the average people. They are talking about millionaires the 1% of the world. At first when i listened to them i also was like wtf. But after the context it made a lot more sense.
Never anger the person you expect to cook your food. Lest you find they've listened to The Police's "Murder By Number" and it gets poisoned. 🤣I love to cook, but some jackass demanding that I cook for them--regardless of gender--would definitely piss me off. Plus, we're not living in Dragon Ball Super. Fighting skills, in a modern context, are largely worthless.
My pet peeves when redpillers say, " Dont break your ability to pair bond by adding body count. BUT, open your legs if you go on a date." So, women should just tell men, "Hey, you aren't worth ruining my ability to pair bond."
That’s how it used to be that’s why men used to court women because they held all the control
@TheJack6966 Yea, these guys turn women off unless those women have low self-esteem.
@@ElinWinblad yeah but those women used to be virgins.
I believe this whole six-foot, six-figure, six-pack combo is something these particular MEN value and are projecting onto all women. Sure, you may find SOME women are in search of these traits but most really aren't dating with that mindset. And I wish someone would ask these guys how tall their fathers are and whether they were wealthy physical specimens when their mothers married or procreated with them.
Women literally never stop talking about it online and it's borne out on dating site stats. The dating scene today is also completely different from the past. There is almost no overlap at all.
Your wrong. Search more for what woman say on the internet about theirs date preferences.
Woman need to learn how to be accountable for theirs actions and decisions.
@@fernandoalencar5287 Very true, many women do have to be accountable for their choices and behaviors. These same women also say all kinds of things online. Life offline is very different and that is where I spend most of my time. Do you think these double digit body counts are all from six combination guys?
@@scartissuefilms Life online and life offline are two different worlds. Height, Wealth, and Physical Fitness are traits men find impressive about one another. This isn’t to say that women aren’t impressed by them either, but a vast majority claiming to want these things in men don’t even have fathers that fit these traits.
@@CharliArmstrong We live off the reality, a reality tat's borne out by all the available statistics. You have to understand something: male sexuality is essentially illegal in the West. If we talk or approach a woman it's a potential court case for harassment. Approach someone at work, harassment. You're only really legally allowed to approach through dating sites, and women filter out all but the top few percent of men online. That's how it is. That's why so many men under 30 are virgins, why marriage rates and birth rates are plummeting.
To be fair, the comparison of a guy’s height would be compared to a girl’s weight. And the comparison of a girl’s body count would be compared to a guy being an incel since women get slut shamed, and men get virgin shamed.
I'll make it simpler: Both Red Pill and the latest wave of Feminism do have some points and reasons, but whatever good they appear to have goes away with the form and way they choose to pursue said points and objectives.
This is literally "it's about the journey, not the destiny"
Objective diagnosis but improper prescriptions to treat the underlying symptoms found. Bad doctors, in other words.
Was Redpill ever "good"?
As in was there actually a point where the ideology and movement seemed genuine before all hell broke loose?
@@陳潔明-w6y Yes. It still has mostly. It has more of a point than 90% of current feminism actually.
The irony is that their part like the MGTOW and Passaport Bros are basically the answer the feminists wanted when they cried "we need no men" but when they got what they wanted they realise they actually wanted the attention
@@ianesgrecia8568
Better than feminism in what way?
The main figureheads of the RP were crooks (who funny enough called RP cringe artistics) and genuine assholes who complained mostly about the dating sphere, which is stupid to begin with, because like it or not, if women can survive on their own, then relationship for the purpose of getting by is no longer necessary.
The demand is just smaller than the supply.
Also it's quite funny that we're laughing at cringe women on Tiktok crying about "being ruined by feminism", when statistically speaking, women collectively got more game...
@@陳潔明-w6y 90% less hypocrisy and with an actual point. Last I sae of feminism they were attacking other women for wanting to be a STHW. Because the 'woman are free to choose their life' aparently only applies if it is according with the feminista choices
That is a great point about if its just expected of you in a relationship you lose that sense of gratitude with either partner
This is why I like your channel! Very balanced reviews, very insightful.........@ 7:45 where you show "Chances of Being 'Very Happy' in One's Marriage. The fact that the study shows Women lose 7% on the baseline from 1 partner to 21+ (64% - 57%) & Men lose 12% on the baseline from 1 to 21+ partners (71% - 59%) is very telling. The amount of times I heard this stat or something similar and this hasn't been mentioned shows the bias argument points they try to push.
I'm a man I do find the Redpill/Manosphere talking points interesting and can agree with a lot of aspects they talk about through experiencing stuff in my own dating life. However, I definitely see it for what it is, I enjoy listening to women's point of views because that gives me information I might not be aware of.
I just hope at some point these Men v Women content creators or discussions move to a place where they talk about balance between the two. Instead of pushing and promoting separation, I think some of them do it unintentionally but MOST are intentionally creating a divide and in the long run its very problematic. Love the video, love the channel & I wish you much success!
You are the balance needed in society
Loved this video. Wouldn’t expect anything less than a balanced and critically thought out stance from you! 🌹
Sleeping with someone you hate is the lowest of low
I always saw the red pill as the male version of modern feminism in every way other than legal aspect. After such a long time of modern feminists just annoying regular dudes, they just were like “u too” and now we have the red pill, they straight up just behave like feminists but for guys.
To me it always seemed inevitable that they would pop up after these few years of the social turmoil between the two, and I feel that after a bit longer we will be back to square one. At least we will have a new attempt at a somewhat balanced society without too much radicalization.
No, it's here to stay. The laws aren't changing, and the leftist orthodoxy isn't going anywhere, so there's no road back to any middle ground. Men have to adapt to the new paradigm feminists have created. Men increasingly know they can't get married because marriages are more likely to collapse and the man will lose everything. So you have to pick a way to live your life. Choose to deal with women, but arm yourself with every psychological hack in the book to give yourself the advantage (red pill), go full Monk Mgtow, go abroad looking for a more traditional wife? Give up and play video games? Black pill. Etc.
It's here to stay. There is no way back. The majority of women are predicted to be unmarried and childless, which means that the majority of men will be unmarried. Of those that do get married, half of marriages fail. That means that at any given time almost everyone will be single and those single people have to find systems of living to follow for the rest of their lives.
You can not compare feminism to redpill at all. The redpill community has contributed to several shootings/murders and I would guess contributed to the latest uptick in pedophilia
I would hope so.. So sick of the gender wars
@@GabrielleTollerson And your contributing to it with your existence
Red pill did a feminism speedrun
its evolutionary biology
@@RR-et6zp ok loser
In my case I want someone taller than me, but I'm hella short so that's not saying much. I've only ever seen one man in my whole life who's shorter
Yeah, I'm only 5'3, so that leaves a lot of variety.
@@Kyiverdam I'm 5'1
Yeah, I'm five foot nothing and my partner is five seven. He's tall as far as I'm concerned. 😂
In my case I just want a woman who is a virgin and doesn't lie about it thats all
Bigot
Red pill guys are like the non-religious version of the Westborough Baptist Church.
By your comparison I'd say that feminists would then be the most horrid case of cultists. Specially with how they treat women that disagree with them
@@ianesgrecia8568 idk feminists treated me better than any red piller.
Hearing that guy on whatever was giving me a headache. You can tell he's just chattin shit the way he's so exasperated
I mean correlation doesn’t equal causation but I dated a guy who was shorter than me for over 3 years and that relationship was baaaad… been with my 6’ husband for 11 years and things are so much better.
Also… let’s talk about short guy syndrome. Often shorter men feel emasculated and frustrated because of their height and who do they take that frustration out on…? My short ex wasn’t physically violent to me but he sure went out of his way to make me feel like crap… and could be quite misogynistic at times too! Not a problem I’ve experienced with tall hubby 🤷♀️
As a taller than average woman, I will say the reason I prefer a guy to be taller than me isn't about 'protection' - it's about wanting to feel feminine and 'petite' when I stand next to him and when we're being intimate. It's a turn off for me to feel bigger, stronger, or taller than my mate. It has nothing to do with physical protection for me - whether he can fight another guy or use a gun or whatever - last thing on my mind.
But you do realize is just a social construct? I mean you can still be "feminine" with someone shorter since feminity is not about being or feel small, change your retrogade mindset instead
@@joegambitt7414no its evolution. testosterone makes you more dominant and estrogen makes you more submissive ( its oversimplified bc its about androgen status and sensibility of the hormone etc. but you catch my drift)
yeah bc its evolution. You feel safe around him. you know that if shit hits the fan you and your children will be safe
Yes, same with me. I want to fell "small" beside him. Not taller and look "stronger" because height😂
yes it's natural, similar to how it's natural for a guy to prefer someone with less body count
7:48 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you so much for putting up that graph!!
If there’s one thing that’s absolutely disingenuous about so many of the debates and discussions you’ll see on UA-cam it’s the cherry-picking of data and willingly leaving out all data that undermines your point
I agree that cooking is an everyday activity, while mowing a lawn is less frequent, making cooking more valuable because of its frequency. But, for argument's sake, the frequency of something doesn't really determine its value all the time. For example, say I have a maid come clean my house every day for a year for $500, and I also pay $500 per year for a security system in case of a break-in. If the maid comes every day and I never even get to profit off the security system because there wasn't a break-in, it doesn't devalue it because I saw it as a necessary precaution(+ I get peace of mind). So, both were of equal value(to me) despite using one way more. But equating mowing the lawn to a woman who cooks daily is preposterous.
I think that demand, lack of appreciation, and assumption are the things depriving many things of their value in today's world. Feminism literally exists becaus0e the behavior of society toward traditionally feminine things, tasks, etc. was that they were automatically inferior. And look how much children suffer for that.
I think at this day and age, if a woman choose to be a STHW, part of the partner earnings should go to a bank account for her too.
Let's make some math: Take the salary of a cleaner maid, a 3-meal-7-day-week cook and in most cases at least 12 hours babysitter. That would give a very big number.
@@kathycoleman4648 true
@@kathycoleman4648@kathycoleman4648 I kinda agree, especially because being a stay-at-home mom is one of the most challenging jobs. If you are not even appreciated for it, that is extremely exhausting. But, the lack of or sufficient presence of appreciation doesn't change its value. It just sucks when you're doing a hard job and you're not being sufficiently compensated/appreciated for it.
@@ianesgrecia8568 you not lying
The birth control thing is also much more nuanced. I actually quit bc for about 8 months because of all this fearmongering. A lot of these people are citing studies that have been done in the 70s when the pills had way more hormones in them. I went back on the pill and I feel exactly the same, attracted to the same type of men. I’m not saying that the pill is for everyone because I know a lot of women do have side effects, but everyone is different🤷🏻♀️
I also agree that divorce was becoming less frowned upon so obviously it became easier
Don't listen to RP when it comes to this topic. Listen to female experts who have women at heart, even just to have a different opinion. All the best
Yeah they just want to baby trap women, we know their motivation is rooted in kindness
Fear mongering? So my inability to have kids,a lot of other womens inability to have kids because of birth control is FEAR MONGERING? EW,you sound like dismissive trash
I don't really have a horse in this race being that I'm gay, but from an outside perspective it's sad to see how transactionally these people view relationships. I just hope for the sake of our future as a society we can move past this men vs. women BS and you all can form genuine relationships built on mutual respect.
well said!!
I like that you try to look at both sides fairly and come to your own conclusions. Glad I subbed to you
most women shared the same guys, nmost men never passed on their genes historically
"There is no emotion... there is only the Force."
lol… This Is The Way
Based
10:44 the problem with the paternity test argument is you have to go through like a whole ass relationship until the end of it and it’s like oh I was lied to for how ever long it took to make a kid. it’s a pre-selection that she might not be as promiscuous so you don’t have to worry about that as much up until the test can be taken. Also, some guys have had to pay child support for kids that the paternity test says isn’t theirs.
Men instead of fighting for hospitals to make paternity tests on a regular basis prefer to shame women on the internet for not being virgins.
Priorities I guess.
Unfortunately, something that started as a comical jab at double standards has been taken way too seriously
We appreciate your insights. You'll always have our support.
most women shared the same guys, nmost men never passed on their genes historically
@@RR-et6zpOK and?
Can you cook? Can you fight? No, I’m a shorty with a glock so you’re going to need to make sandwiches for yourself 🤓
Don't really do much when most people just freeze on spot.
@@ianesgrecia8568 oh I was just making fun of the other guy who thought women only care about height so men can protect us.
LMAO YESS 😂
Feminists and these red pill guys should honestly just date each other lmao. They're more similar than they realise lol
Most feminists, red pillers have narcissistic personality dissorders. They are looking for a victim they can abuse with their entitelment, trolling, imatureity
EXACTLY!!
@@GabrielleTollerson Classic liberal feminist
Love your videos . Thank you for your hard work, God bless you! 🙏
I'd argue that cheating with someone you could give two f's about is just as damaging as cheating on someone you like. You're essentially telling me, that me and our relationship is so insignificant that you can casually find someone out of the blue, think, that you'd like to tap that, then go back home feeling just as fine and secure in your relationship as before. If my man told me he just cheated just to cheat, I'd feel like complete shit.
The whole "men cheating is different then women cheating" is bs to me. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that its even worse. You dont like this individual; so why sleep with them? You purposefully decided to to share an intimate moment with that person who you dont care about without at LEAST thinking how it can affect your partner. And for what?
Cheating is bad regardless of gender. DONT CHEAT!
I agree, but do remember that testosterone is responsible for the sex drive in men and women. Women at their absolute horniest reach the base level of a guy with normal levels of testosterone. So imagine being the horniest than you've ever been, ever in your life and imagine feeling like that all day, every day...that's a normal guy, let alone a guy with high T.
no its not. Most men never passed on their genes actually. Most guys cant just date either.they;re just saying what's obkjectively true backed by data and the scientific method. They get girls no prob
no its not. Most men never passed on their genes actually. Most guys cant just date either.they;re just saying what's obkjectively true backed by data and the scientific method. They get girls no prob
these type of men think that sex isn't an intimate act for men, and instead is just physical..these dude are messed up
It's always so refreshing to listen to someone like you when there's so many extreme people on both sides
In my opinion, the Red Pill community and the Radical Feminist community have become 2 sides of the same coin. I feel like the Red Pill Community has become an extension of the MGTOW community in some ways. The MGTOW community attracted a lot of resentful men who have had very little luck in the dating world and it created it's own sexist views much like how Radical Feminist have very sexist views on men. I think there are people who are Egalitarians who feel that the Red Pill community doesn't have the answers either. Now we're seeing more people, men and women, who are kind of in the middle now, they see the issues in both spectrums of gender equality and gender issues thanks in part to the evolution of this discussion in general.
There is no middle ground for a lot of people, though. MGTOW exists because the numbers simply don't add up for a lot of men. Marriage is way too big of a risk to take in the anti-male West. 30% of men under 30 are virgins, nowadays, that number will grow exponentially. So 'incels' are here to stay as well. Then you have to have the red pill group who have to learn how to adapt to a marriageless society full of promiscuous women. They are all a reaction to feminism, but there is nothing else that can be done. Men are having to adapt to the new paradigm women have created. Each man has to choose the framework that suits his particular lot in life. Red pill for those that want to work on their bodies and finance an get better at dealing with women's preferences, black pill for nihiliists who have accepted they will never find love or success. Mgtow for men who have accepted that marriage is too big a risk, passport bros for men who still want marriage but realise modern western women are unsuitable for it. Etc.
I know!!!
The TRP schmos and FDS girlies sound identical to each other.
People don't seem to understand that feminists have permanently changed society and the dating market. Almost everyone is going to be single, forever. Men are adapting to that situation and having to come up with models for how to live life in a world where at any one point in time 75% and growing of men and women are going to be single. Feminism has destroyed marriage, love, romance, faith, loyalty and commitment. All the male spaces are doing is trying to find a way to navigate the new landscape. There are no solutions. The solution is Christianity. But almost all women are leftists, so the solution cannot be implemented. So men just have to do the best they can and pick a model on how to live.
RP is biology
Radical feminism is feminism.
Red pill and fourth-wave feminism are two sides of the same coin.
Movements that started with good intentions that devolved into hating the opposite sex through half truths used to generate outrage.
This outrage helps both of these movements make a lot of money and garner a lot of power and influence.
They are taking advantage of these people.
exactly!!
I just turned 20 a week ago, ever since that day I have been afraid of aging lol. I feel like I will lose my value as a woman when I hit 40 due to all of this rhetoric of "the wall". I've gone so far as to ask my boyfriend if he'll love me when I am 40, he said yes, but I have this mentality that I'll lose my value as soon as I hit 40...I have gone so far as to look at anti aging methods.
I know it's just red pill talk but I can't help but feel like it might apply to me, heck, there are even some that say that you hit "the wall" at 23...
I don't know, it's just so worrying for me as a woman, because I wanna have value.
The thing is that they say it because child bearing qualities drastically fall down after 30. Even by their logic, if you have children, you wouldn't really lose your value. That's at least how i understand what they try to say.
its biology@@Starkiller2725
"The wall" mainly refers to fertility not necessarily your overall value as a person. It's part of you that gives value, but so are your personality, ideology, intelligence, beauty and communication. And there is also value in the relationship you build. So if you manage to stay with that same boyfriend until 40 do you think he is really going to throw away 20 years of companion ship for some rando woman? Probably not.
So it matters but it's not all that matters.
Looks fade indiscriminately. Were looks the only thing that mattered when you were a child?
Just stay married
'They both have points, but they tend to take it too far and use it as justification. . .". That line rings so true and sums up so many "movements" . Well said.
I like how the red pill guy says "Jeff Bezos is short" like he has a hard time attracting women?! It's a hilarious way to disprove the point that women are obsessed with height.
Oh don’t worry they think women are obsessed with money too…
Well it true some stent short guy do get lot slak from women not be tall and money lot girls is more on think men do spend more on girls them over way round.
I mean he's also the richest man on the planet
@@ladidaohoh3168 Well, they are...
Not Heigh, it's masculinity, these guys don't get it because of it's money and height why do bad boys, bums and the worst men on planet earth have multiple kids and endless supplies of women.
Did the dude (6:35 or so) really just say that in Europe women don’t show a preference for taller men “because they use the metric system”?…😂
(Yes, I realize he was saying the rates don’t plummet in Europe at 5’11 specifically because they use the metric system; but with the lack of European study equivalents provided, it really comes across as “women in Europe don’t favor men over 183cm *because they use the metric system*.”)
Yeah that first take was beyond stupid. And he didn't cite any studies or anything to establish that only men can have sex with someone they hate anyway. Just an empty assertion. I'm very much a traditional conservative and so I can't stand feminism just like the so-called "red pillers" can't stand it. But it does strike me as odd how those who are the most adamant about changing the divorce laws, seem to be the ones more likely to give women a good reason to divorce them in the first place.
While I as a man get where a lot of redpillers are coming from, I think there’s a lot of bitterness and anger, especially considering they swear up and down that they are not emotional.
Your vídeos are so good!😊
Thank you!
I'm grateful to the red pill community and the manosphere opening my eyes and keeping me informed. But there are some bad actors within the community (childish trolls)... of whom I don't appreciate at all.
Same i got tons of useful info out of it which helped my relationship a lot.
@Soumya-bw3wg I don't know if that's true. Maybe you're paying attention to the wrong ones. There are plenty of upstanding productive men (and women, for that matter) within the manosphere.
@Soumya-bw3wg Mediocre Tutorials and Reviews, Poor Man's Podcast, Chisha Zed, Stevie Knight, Beastmod Smooth, Tribe of Men, Arako TV, J Hall, Melanie King, Pink Book Lessons, It's Complicated... I could go on.
They all present positive meaningful content that helps men and boys... and they seem to be good people... but how do we really know that about anyone?
I think expectations can be reasonable and understandable.
I have no trouble with my lady expecting me to take the trash out once it’s full, and I hope she doesn’t mind me expecting her to take the dogs out when I’m not home.
But an expectation is like an idea of what is the proper sensible thing to do. Sometimes expectations can even be agreed upon implicitly or explicitly.
But a demand is not an expectation. A demand is a reinforcement of what you want someone else to do, and often it might come from an expectation that said person doesn’t want to do what you want or participate.
Demands aren’t productive in partnerships, but expectations can be healthy as long as they are reasonable and agreed upon.
A marriage is built on trust. Cheating on yr spouse betrays that trust. The STDs you pick up on the streets and bring home to yr wife and kids don’t care if you hated the girl or not. People are so selfish these days 😒
ikr! These same men expect women to be loyal to them like.. 😂 DUDE
Bro majority of these mainstream social media dating podcasts are just a cesspool of narcissistic behavior, stupidity, ego and the need for self justification.
I am just tired of the endless blame game played by both feminists and the red pill. Gender roles don't matter bc when we love someone we auto adjust to their preferences and so our best to support them. It is not jst a thing women do but a thing men have to start doing.lets both set healthy and realistic standards n not standards based on fantasy.
well said!! ❤
Women can't have hate sex apparently, he said with a straight face, like enemies to lovers trope isn't the most popular trope in all romcoms and romance books because women like that idea 😂
He don't have wattpad or AO3 😂😂😂 if he found out about that trope, he will pass out 😂😂😂
I find myself dumbfounded every time I watch any red pill video and they cite studies as a reason for them to have outlandish takes against women. All I see is a lot of frail egos and insecurity, that would scare any potential partner easily.
I'm 5'7 woman and I dont like really tall guys its kind of a turn off for me to be over 6ft. Almost all of the men I've been with have been 5'7-5'10
5:57 the problem isn’t just with generalizing dating app data onto the population it’s with his shifting of the goal posts:
People have natural preferences. I’m sure those apps have data (analysis) on it it would show guys on average reacting increasingly positive to larger breast size (possibly also up to a maximum where ir drops). What you cannot do is translate that into: short guys get hated on. Many women may have a preference for a taller man, but very few women would act degradingly towards shorter men
The redpill podcast has become a competition of who can say the most controversial thing and get views. You took all the words out of my mouth. The double standards of these red pills. Wanting a traditional woman whilst not being a traditional man. Sleeping around outside of your marriage is not to any book or traditional.
“By the time the woman is 30 years, she will have lost nearly 90% of her eggs and at the age of 40 years, only around 3% of eggs are left.”
Nothing wrong with facts- but they’re still gonna ovulate every month until menopause so that 3% doesn’t really mean anything unless you’re talking in regards to what year they end up hitting menopause
10:08 preference for taller guys does make sense. There's a biological theory that states Women prefer tall guys as they feel a sense of safety with them. They know he'll be able to defend her and himself if a threatening situation arises.
Plus most men in history were relatively the same size with a few exceptions and were mostly malnutritioned so it's unlikely that they could much fighting anyway.
The same argument you are making can be made in the case of men wanting not promiscuos women because they also feel safe with them regarding their dna surviving to the next generation
@@joegambitt7414 biology isn't equal and that is why we have morals and law. While women's preferences are barely hurting anyone because we just want men who are taller than us. Men's preferences of being polygamous could ruin lives. Not to mention it's just stupid on your part if you're just going around making everyone pregnant when you can't afford child care for every single child or even afford to be a father figure in their lives.
@aarchisha625 how do you that women are only looking for guys taller then them ?
60% of women on Bumble set their height preferences to 6ft+. Only 15% of men in USA & 10% worldwide are taller then that.
There's literally a comment above you by a women saying that all of her friends shorter then 5'4 prefer guys 5'11 or taller. So, ..
Also about cheating. If you're going to date guys who are 6ft & above, obviously they're going to cheat considering each of them have statistically so many women to choose from.
@@srizangupta1957Interesting take, Bumble statistics don't necessarily cover all the demographic of women. But to answer your question, setting a height preference doesn't mean it's a strict requirement. In fact, statistics is a stock concept, so it doesn't record the change in preferences due to maturation and gaining experience.
And are you implying that short guys don't cheat because they have lesser "options"? And ALL tall guys cheat because they have a lot of "options" ?
I also feel like if you actually love someone, you probably won't think of those "options" and sometimes, women don't even care about the height if they really like a man that's not upto their preference.
Got to the part where the guy said that if he got with a single mother and built a bond with her kid and then they broke up, he'd have no rights to the kid...but, I have a family member who went through a similar situation. He adopted his stepkids during the marriage and got as much custody of them after the divorce as he did his bio kid. He's the only dad they've ever known so why wouldn't he?
That because he adopted them
I actually don’t mind some the points made on these podcast it just how they see it as a one way street. I don’t mind a man wanting a woman with a low body count or to be virgin I just think he has to mirror that too. A lot of women don’t want a man that have slept with 80 women we don’t want to be out and about and every time we’re in a restaurant they another woman there that experienced you, that doesn’t make us feel good either
exactly,these manosphere dudes want to be with any woman they want and expect the woman they are with to just be with them,they will fail with that logic
I think you have one of the best takes on the Red Pill philosophy that I have seen.