Vander/Warwick's Point of No Return

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  • Опубліковано 23 гру 2024

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  • @olleselin
    @olleselin Місяць тому +93

    Man, Arcane is full of tragic backstories from like every character in it....

  • @Nero11117
    @Nero11117 Місяць тому +288

    nah he ain't fully gone. warwick in-game still has memories of his past life and defends zaun from evil even though he's a pretty ruthless fighter

    • @sajmon7342
      @sajmon7342 Місяць тому +13

      I hope friend, I hope so 🥲

    • @TAWMUD
      @TAWMUD Місяць тому +45

      Yeah his memories a hazy when it comes to his past but thing like his desire to keep the peace and order are cemented in warwicks character and behavior. Maybe slight voice line changes that would be nice or a legendary skin with arcane interactions.

    • @tossitupman
      @tossitupman Місяць тому +6

      does he defend zaun in LOL? i thought he still has the blood rage thing so anyone who bleed may be killed by him

    • @donhoover23
      @donhoover23 Місяць тому +20

      Facts, and SInged said his serum would only but "undo Viktor's progress." Warwick recognizes Vi and Jinx even before ever seeing Viktor.

    • @pride_mitochondria3921
      @pride_mitochondria3921 Місяць тому +6

      @@donhoover23 that's a good point, I never thought about that. Unless it's revealed Singed up the dose by x10 to make Warwick go completely feral, which is still possible because maybe they didn't just want to undo Viktor's work, they wanted to make sure he couldn't be fixed. That's a possibility too. I hope Warwick remembers enough memories for when he was Vander to be bittersweet instead of just hopelessly gone.

  • @pride_mitochondria3921
    @pride_mitochondria3921 Місяць тому +91

    Even if it seems like the obvious answer, much like how Powder is Jinx now, and Vi had to accept that, coming to terms with it (even seeming like they'll be sisters again even though Jinx is no longer Powder), Jinx and Vi will have to accept that Vander is going to be Warwick now. Meaning they'll have to accept and live with that. Since Warwick seems to retain memories even in LOL, it doesn't seem like Vander/Warwick will be completely lost. But he'll be almost a new person with hints of Vander, instead of Vander coming back like Vi and Jinx want.

    • @jinxie_maude
      @jinxie_maude Місяць тому +2

      this is totally off topic but it's like the separate identities of ice king and simon (I actually wasn't huge on everyone, mainly Marcy, starting to call him Simon while he's still IK) bc he sums it up best "idk who this Simon guy is but I'm ice king and I think that's ok" (not those words exactly but you get it) the crown will take aspects of its hosts life to incorperate into its personality and what not but it's really not the host anymore

    • @aspieanarchist5439
      @aspieanarchist5439 24 дні тому

      Technically in League, Jinx is still Powder deep down as proven by the "You think I`m crazy? You should see my sister" and "I have the best intentions!", the latter even sounds damn near identical to her tone in Episode 3`s "I only wanted to help, I only wanted to help, I only wanted to help!"

  • @kraftyevan
    @kraftyevan Місяць тому +83

    In game warwick is basically Zaun Batman... just a bit more ruthless.

    • @thomasraines1396
      @thomasraines1396 Місяць тому +1

      So Thomas Wayne Batman? Or Batman as he was originally introduced, where he had no problems killing?

    • @LunaticLacewing
      @LunaticLacewing Місяць тому +5

      I mean, I hope Arcane Warwick follows suit, but I honestly don't know if I still have hope for that

    • @nasher99
      @nasher99 Місяць тому +1

      @@thomasraines1396 def thomas wayne batman

    • @thomasraines1396
      @thomasraines1396 Місяць тому

      @@nasher99 interesting.

    • @Gabriel-bt7ix
      @Gabriel-bt7ix Місяць тому

      More like a wolverine ish punnisher

  • @TheIqbal227
    @TheIqbal227 Місяць тому +37

    Finally, someone makes a video essay on warwick
    this took surprisingly long

  • @ursidae97
    @ursidae97 Місяць тому +45

    It hurts a lot to know that crying monster is the Vander we knew

  • @egeoeris
    @egeoeris Місяць тому +18

    I feel bad for Vander honestly, guy's being essentially tortured for almost a decade in Singed's lab, unable to move constantly in pain. A lesser man would be gone completely. He did came back and was about to be healed (at least mentally). My guess would be he gets one final brain damage from Isha and now his memories don't even make sense, peraps furthering his mutation to his final form due to Singed's work. The show excellently delivers a very posssible happy ending taken away from us.

  • @fm_0523
    @fm_0523 Місяць тому +8

    Vander/Warwick is my new favorite character. Literally every single scene that included him was an absolute banger. The one nitpick I have is that his design is cooler in the games than in the show, but it's comprehensible that they made him look more human so that Jinx and Vi would recognize him.

    • @stilesk9201
      @stilesk9201 Місяць тому +1

      chances are the design for vander/warwick isn’t the final one

    • @Gabriel-bt7ix
      @Gabriel-bt7ix Місяць тому

      In the teaser for act 3 Singed got Vander again and it's doing things...
      So It's safe to say we didn't saw the final form, the actual Warwick

    • @VulpesLP
      @VulpesLP Місяць тому +1

      @@Gabriel-bt7ix His "last" Design was reaaaally bad.. :(

    • @Gabriel-bt7ix
      @Gabriel-bt7ix Місяць тому

      @@VulpesLP bruv
      I'm mad AF
      How they could fuck Ww up so bad
      What was the point for all that build up......

  • @ShadowKiller71
    @ShadowKiller71 Місяць тому +15

    @6:55 its both. The magma was definitely singe's work. But Vander was partially healed and even had trace amounts of the face mark, but after that victors death, part of Vander died forever (as seen how fully healed ppl turned completely empty). More beast left over than man is what caused the rampage.

  • @mx9226
    @mx9226 Місяць тому +49

    I feel like the finale will be bittersweet at best.

    • @TheIqbal227
      @TheIqbal227 Місяць тому +14

      true, arcane ain’t gonna give us anything happier than bittersweet

    • @antoniobarisic4584
      @antoniobarisic4584 Місяць тому +1

      if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention

    • @willvermillion1025
      @willvermillion1025 Місяць тому

      @@antoniobarisic4584got proceeded to have a happy ending

    • @adi-l5w
      @adi-l5w 22 дні тому

      everything went to shit , it was pure fkn pain

  • @Sand_UnderMemes
    @Sand_UnderMemes Місяць тому +26

    Tragic characters in arcane vs tragic characters in Undertale

  • @BinaryKiller_Recoded
    @BinaryKiller_Recoded Місяць тому +23

    Less than 48 hours left now... We get to see what happened

  • @KellyBurke-ty3hx
    @KellyBurke-ty3hx Місяць тому +7

    I really feel for Vander/Warwick. His bio states that he’s in a constant state of pain and fury even with the bits of memories he does have

  • @remedy3335
    @remedy3335 Місяць тому +4

    Love this video! At the end, I thought Vander’s lava rampage form was because Viktor’s death somehow affected the beast just like the people of the village having strange reactions with the ghostly screaming. It didn’t cross my mind that Singed woke up and injected poor Vander with that serum. I can’t wait to watch Act 3 and see what became of him and everyone else!

  • @Kindred_Lamb
    @Kindred_Lamb Місяць тому +4

    1:20 Jinx and Vi are confirmed sisters WAAAAY WAY back when they first came out. Matter of fact, Riot once had the idea that Jinx would be the big sister

  • @my2randomcents
    @my2randomcents Місяць тому +5

    What I really hate about the LOL lore is hindsight,
    Ive seen so many posts cursing Viktor's actions and swearing he is"killing people" because he is a villain in LoL
    When the show explains absolutely everything, including Salo's lack of breath, Viktor was acting out of pure kindness and purity, and his final monologue reveals it was Jayce's actions that made him believe that humanity must be purged

    • @Crazyapple16
      @Crazyapple16 Місяць тому +2

      I dont think that it was jacye's actions but rather that they had a conversation or he touched jacye to see the future of what his arcane caused. It is all too vague to know and we shall see. I think there must have been a pretty clear reason for the events to play out like they did. It is either fate or the glorious evoultion

  • @TempestGhost
    @TempestGhost Місяць тому +11

    Singed is essentially Arcane's Mr. Freeze

  • @slateoffate9812
    @slateoffate9812 26 днів тому +2

    At one part of season I just felt awful and said along the lines of "this island or continent or whatever; it makes monsters of every character involved. Is this a point in which who they were no longer matters? No past, no future, only the monstrous now."
    Viktor had become a danger to the point of drawing breath itself, Jayce had seemingly become extremely violent with no care for diplomacy nor collateral damage, Caitlin was a dictator, Vi falling apart at the seams, we all know Vander's fate, and Jinx? One way or another, I didn't see her drawing breath much longer.
    I was fully expecting all the characters to be monsters by the ending of the show. I'm glad I was mostly wrong.

  • @youngdolph8867
    @youngdolph8867 Місяць тому +6

    I think they are implying Warvick had 2 bodies, having been Frankenstein'd. The reason he cant heal Vader is he is too conjoined to his other body which is composed of wolf parts.

  • @PirateKingBoros
    @PirateKingBoros Місяць тому +9

    I wish Isha had more time to shine. The pacing of this season overall is hurting it hard imo. Definitely gonna have to do my own video on this series.

  • @asquishyjellyfish5431
    @asquishyjellyfish5431 Місяць тому +8

    When Jayce killed Viktor, it subsequently killed off the entire community he built from the start, and thats mean the part that connected to viktor died too (vandel).
    Which mean the beast is out, and it merges with what's left of Vander to form what we have here is warwick.
    There's no alternative here, warwick and viktor already are fixed points in time, jayce just... accelerate what needs to be done.

  • @bearberserker
    @bearberserker Місяць тому +6

    I always wonder if Vander consciousness fused with Warwick where they are together but can't be apart, which could explain how he's sapient in Arcane.

  • @UmbraMilla
    @UmbraMilla Місяць тому +5

    Great work on this part, but slight correction on Isha. The names pronounced in the show as EE-sha by Jinx

    • @aspieanarchist5439
      @aspieanarchist5439 24 дні тому

      Also, it is an actual Indian and Arabic name and that`s how it`s pronounced. It means "One who protects" which fits her fate protecting Jinx from Warwick perfectly.

  • @GrimmegamiT
    @GrimmegamiT Місяць тому +7

    You're wrong one point, It's actually hidden in the lore of league of legends but Vi and Jinx have always been sisters, there's been numerous amount of easter eggs and evidence that points towards it. Only issue was that they didn't want to confirm it for either shock value or just to keep the lore mysterious.

  • @freddiemercurio3001
    @freddiemercurio3001 Місяць тому +2

    Warwick mains are rising

  • @eternaldarkbrin
    @eternaldarkbrin Місяць тому +3

    Arcane s1 was really good at helping me connect with characters on a personal level.
    But season 2 had a lot of things that it could do without
    That cut into the screen time that could have been used to build necessary connections with characters.
    Mel should have died so that we didn't have to give her more time and focused on helping us vander/Warwick on a personal level and help us understand where he is in the head.
    It needed to be focused on as him as a kind of protagonist in a special kind of way.
    We needed to connect with him on a personal level
    We needed to connect with Isha on a personal level
    We needed to have Caitlin become a war lord because too many story blocks gravitated her in that direction for her to care about Vi's father.

    • @hypnosis0693
      @hypnosis0693 Місяць тому

      well personal level or not Isha's presumed death is still emotional imo

    • @eternaldarkbrin
      @eternaldarkbrin Місяць тому

      @hypnosis0693
      Because child died on screen and for no other reason, it is sad because of that surface level attribute that played into her death.
      "It's brilliant because mute demographic child died"
      I was given a deliberate narrative reason to be sad when powder was abandoned, but can't have a reason when another character that mirrors her dies. Self sacrifice is not enough because I have no way to understand what's in the characters head.
      Powder was belittled for being useless by her family while she was also told she was ready. That went places that made me care and emotionally invest. But with Isha there was none if that, And so her death meant nothing to me as an audience.

    • @varietygaming33
      @varietygaming33 Місяць тому +1

      @@eternaldarkbrin The emotional investment for Isha is her dynamic with Jinx. Jinx was healing from Isha, she grew to care about the kid like she was her own daughter

    • @eternaldarkbrin
      @eternaldarkbrin Місяць тому

      @variantgamer9885 and Isha was healing from what exactly?

    • @stilesk9201
      @stilesk9201 Місяць тому +1

      @@eternaldarkbrinyour nit picks are purely personal

  • @TheZardark
    @TheZardark Місяць тому +1

    Only complaint I had is that he didn’t look like a wolf but more like a humanoid rat..maybe they were trying to keep him more “human looking” which is strange because I thought his entire persona was the transformation of a man becoming a beast.

  • @qlasalle
    @qlasalle Місяць тому +1

    @1:20 if you didnt think Jinx and Vi were sisters then youd have to be a very literal person. It was all but confirmed. Even the aram vendor makes a non direct comment about it. Crazy i dont think its ever truly stated before Arcane

  • @Monea2
    @Monea2 Місяць тому +3

    never thought of it this way- slay

  • @DoDo-nj5gp
    @DoDo-nj5gp 6 днів тому

    Vander my man suffers too much, he loses everything and his fate is nothing but bitter and pain 😢 it's so unfair.
    But I, personally, see there are many hints that Vander is still in WW, it's just he cannot takes back the control anymore. I think the burnt image is his memories, not Vander himself.
    Maybe I'm just in mu delulu stage buuuut I'm gonna take any copium I can find lol

  • @edizicu9853
    @edizicu9853 Місяць тому +1

    If LoL lore is true then he no doubt survived and one day we'll see him grow a tail and a snot.

  • @wak773
    @wak773 Місяць тому +3

    WHY BRING HIM BACK ONLY TO KILL HIM OFF AGAIN??????????

    • @gerygery7
      @gerygery7 11 днів тому +3

      I'm asking myself the same thing. Vander didn't deserve any of this😔❤
      At least when he dies at the end of episode 6 because his memories are erased, he knows Vi and Jinx love each other again. And I think when Jink kills him again in the last scene he's finally free and happy with Felicia, Silco, Benzo, Milo and Claggor😭😍

    • @niceaudiodesign.
      @niceaudiodesign. 7 днів тому +2

      Vander’s story is tragic and hard to digest 😭

  • @KillingTime4Something
    @KillingTime4Something Місяць тому +2

    FINALLY!

  • @declanmonteyrimard1185
    @declanmonteyrimard1185 Місяць тому +1

    9:20 yeah.....same

  • @thatquartz3559
    @thatquartz3559 Місяць тому +6

    Arcane doesnt have a good ending that is clear as day.

  • @vinitmotghare8182
    @vinitmotghare8182 Місяць тому +1

    Jinx's friend Isha is pronounced as E-sha, not I-sha.
    Great video.

  • @tanimation4806
    @tanimation4806 Місяць тому +3

    1:32 i dissagree for one Arcane was never intended to be canon and now they are just forcing it into the main lore and they also already did a full rewrite in 2016 and they still need to update some discriptions so this will make the games lore compleatly messy

    • @KvngLeroy1
      @KvngLeroy1 Місяць тому +1

      As if it wasn't messy already lol

  • @xx1j
    @xx1j Місяць тому

    @2:37 everyone did 😢

  • @bl4ckdr4gon64
    @bl4ckdr4gon64 29 днів тому

    Eu acho que warwick ainda tá vivo, porque a mutação não tá que nem no jogo, então provavelmente ele ainda vai ficar mais transfirmado, enfim, só especulação

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 Місяць тому +1

    ok

  • @jinxie_maude
    @jinxie_maude Місяць тому

    oh come on man 😭 Isha's name is said in the show there's no reason to be butchering it like this
    e - sha say it w me
    not eye - sha, e - sha 😭

  • @eternaldarkbrin
    @eternaldarkbrin Місяць тому

    Those flash backs were so lazy. they were trying to add emotional layers to a thing while also taking up screen time that could have been building layers elsewhere.
    The flashbacks needed to be cut out entirely.
    In fact most of how they introduced the character was awful. Because the show was built on Vanders philosophy. Of witch doesn't get to return with the character in any way.
    This could have been used to have Vander learn silco's opposing philosophy and arc him better.

    • @varietygaming33
      @varietygaming33 Місяць тому +2

      No

    • @hypnosis0693
      @hypnosis0693 Місяць тому

      damn bro cannot spell

    • @eternaldarkbrin
      @eternaldarkbrin Місяць тому

      I love how nobody knows how to argue and just makes angry grunting remarks like that's any better.
      Yes, very intelligent. 👏👏👏

    • @varietygaming33
      @varietygaming33 Місяць тому +2

      @@eternaldarkbrin No as in Vander is already a good character with enough depth as it is. We absolutely do not need him learning Silco’s philosophy because that would never happen since they were complete opposites. Where did you even get the idea that the show is completely built on Vander’s philosophy? That was never the case at all

    • @eternaldarkbrin
      @eternaldarkbrin Місяць тому

      @variantgamer9885 yes it was, from the start, though I'm starting to realize that it's the leadership philosophy that comes into conflict with the warrior Philosophy.
      Jinx in season 2 seems to be put into a situation where she is forced to adopt the vander/leader world view of "protect family" though its not really dug into very well, you can still see its influence was supposed to be there.
      "Nobody wins in war Vi"
      Isha dying is supposed to play into that.
      But it didn't, not really.

  • @assassith
    @assassith Місяць тому +3

    They fumbled so hard with one of the most compelling characters. Arcane season 2 act 3 is just a spit in the face to fans of Warwick.