Who's your favorite Ars Goetia? EDIT: Also I'm aware Ozzie is named as an Ars Goetia in Solomon but he's one of the 7 sins in Helluva Boss. Which is their own entirely different league from the show's Ars Goetia. I'll still take the small L for not mentioning him in that capacity though. He'd go into the "Pretty Good" tier : P
I honestly think Andrelphus is worse than Stella. Don't get me wrong, Stella is a bad person, but it's pretty clear Andre has manipulated her for a long time, if not her entire life. She's not really cunning or evil, more of a spoiled brat that has to get her way. Andre is the REAL mastermind behind it all.
I'd argue they're equally bad in different ways. Andrealphus is a scheming snake, and Stella is a heartless grubby b~~~~nugget just for enjoyment's sake.
I saw someone calling Stella worse than Valentino... like for what? Being spoiled? Being a rich a-hole? Are we really comparing a spoiled brat that never grew up to a slave owner that constantly drugs and abuses people? I will say this and people will hate to hear but Stella is still redeemable, she doesnt need to change, doesnt need to like Stolas, all she need to do is to care about her daughter a little, if she does that then she automatically becomes a better person without any change at all. (I dont want her buddy-buddy with Stolas anyway) Some people like to add the bit with her strangling the creature on EP1 of S2, but she was a kid, her parents or caretakers were there didnt stopped her and even celebrated with a picture, she is just a product of the broken nobility, she lives in a echo chamber that perpetuates her thoughts as right and Stolas's as wrong, calling her evil for lacking empathy when no one around her has any is laughable, Stolas killed a Imp on screen, it was in self defense? Yes, but was it needed? No! We know royalty cant be harmed by normal weapons, what Stolas did was more evil but we dont talk about it do we?
Gotta love how Andrealphus first appeared for one frame in the 2022 trailer, then officially revealed on Twitter months Before season 2 even started, then was mentioned By Stella in The circus, then first appeared in Western energy with a minor role, and basically became the show's main antagonist as of "Mastermind". Definitely a proper set up for a villain
I feel like he is going to be that power hungry uncle who wants to chat with Via on the top of the strairs. Maybe that is how Stolas will get his daughter back, that they will live like the normal demons but are together and happy.
I randomly decided to look it up where Stolas landed in power among the ars Goetia basically from what I can tell the only reason Stolas isn't top 4 is because one of them is Asmodeus
I feel like everyone forgot Paimon. I'm hoping to see him next episode. He started of the season, it would be nice of him to end it. Maybe he can actually be a good father for once and check on his son. I can only hope.
I agree with most of the list, I'd just put Vassago over stolas, since he did nothing but stand up against a fraudulent trial, where Stolas, as much as I love him, still did some bad things. Edit: Oh and I believe Andre isn't actually into his sister Stella, since he is canonically gay. Guess he just thinks very highly of her beauty or smth.
For Andrealphous beauty is an important element in how he perceives others and himself. (It makes sense because he's a peacock) In Stella's case it's also meant as a kind of insult, because whenever he says she's beautiful it's his way of saying that it's Stella only redeeming quality.
Andrealphus and Stella may be evil, but they are both fun and charismatic to watch and are absolute icons. i hope to see more of their subling dynamic in the future.
Seriosly stella charismatic whit her screaming voice and monkey level intalegence and absulutly zero morals for being evil how nice humanity finaly going insane
I feel like i would swap Stella and Andrealphus, purely because Stella's goals are very simple and she doesnt really care for the wider picture. She hates Stolas and wants him to suffer, she doesnt really care about much else or who else is involced. But Andrealphus is the one plotting everything, pulling the strings, and manipulating the people around them. He is in this for power for himself, and is taking advantage of the situation to benefit his own interests. I will also say I still hope there is something more to Stella, like she does love Octavia genuinely, because i'm still disappointed they made her so cartoonishly evil in order to absolve Stolas of wrongdoing. I feel like it made both her and Stolas less interesting as characters.
I agree with the list 😎 My favorite Goetia is Stolas but I’m pretty interested in seeing Vasago and Andrealphus in the future. I’d like to think Vasago would come to help Stolas but in secret, and slowly build a better bond while with Blitz for the time being. And Andre def seems like end game villain type for the show. Love how funny he is too, a pos ya love to laugh at lol.
Octavia is such a cutie, she just wanted to spend some time with her dad, Stolas. But I have a feeling that the season finale is going to paint a more problematic and questionable ending.
I love how Stella and Andre play the big bad guys of the series, I wouldn’t be surprised that Octavia has the rest of her life miserable without her dad, but I fell like Stolas should apologize to his daughter and explain to her that her mom is just using her.
7:47 I love the look of annoyance on Stolas's face during this scene. Because, he's either looks like he REALLY wants to sock Andrelphus in the face or thinking " You really love the sound of your own voice don't you Andrelphus."
I'd say that's a pretty accurate ranking. Octavia is trapped in a sick game of power and Stoals tried to protect her. With him gone, I'm more worried about her in season 3!
Andrealphous is worse than Stella. Stella's behaviour is more excusable. Not only was her entire life planned(way more than stolas), she never wanted to marry Stolas in the first place.
Instead of putting the good boy at third place for most good, I would put him above, stolas that’s not only did the man desire, true justice, actively defended and stood up to Andre Our favorite owl boy cheated on his wife. I know he didn’t like the marriage, but that’s still something that shouldn’t happen. I know it comes.
Cheating one doesn’t count, he didn’t love her and she didn’t love him back. Plus she got pissed because he cheated with an imp, which ruined her image.
@@bgggg4168 cheating does count because of how it affects Octavia as a whole! Octavia is clearly uncomfortable by the whole relationship not to mention the fact that he's using her as a means to get away from Stella taking her into LooLoo Land which she Hates just pump and dump in his 'impish little thing' are we all forgetting the fact that he literally dirty talks in front of her while Blitz is trying to be professional? Octavia feels like he's abandoning her because he doesn't love her mother or the fact that he's in love with Blitz she clearly feels unloved in this family but in the end she forgives him even though he will do the same thing over and over again despite saying that he wants to change but the characters don't know that only we the audience know that so that isn't much the case because he never tries to change that much because he made up this fictional wonderful land in his head and expect everything to go in his way.
@@CarrotSpunk. Exactly, it bothers me how much the fans (and the show) whitewash Stolas by discounting alot of his shittiest actions. I blame the "Protagonist Centered Morality" that Helluva Boss runs on, where the worst actions of the protagonists are largely ignored while the villains' actions are only treated as especially bad because they oppose the protagonists. Stolas has way more blood on his hands then Stella or Andrealphus. But because it's Human blood nobody cares.
@@PlanetZoidstar My thoughts exactly I've seen this many times before in media where the protagonists are always right and everyone who's are against them are either wrong or dumb and others who are on their sides are always right same goes for HB.
I agree that out of the Goetia we've seen, Andrealphus is definitely one of the "most evil." I mean, he did have Striker lie in court for his own ends, but let's not forget he didn't hire him initially to kill Stolas, Stella did. True, he didn't really care, but he did talk her into resending her order.
@@Fajitaguy123i mean he FORCED blitz to be in the relationship at the threat of loosing EVERYTHING he worked for. Ofc blitz didn't mind that much and stolas didn't think it thriught and were totally not malocious but the fact still exists
What I don't like is how Stolas is constantly victimized as Blitz is getting all of the hate. "OH MY GOOD YOU POOR OWL" "Blitz I care bout u but wtf" It's annoying.
@@Fajitaguy123 isn't he the one that manipulated Blitz by setting up a scenario in one of the episodes by using an abusive tactic that requires the abuser to put themselves in a position of power while also making the test subject making a decision which they have to choose "the correct decision" this caused Blitz to lash out and obviously he looks very distressed by Stolas' actions? Clearly from my perspective he's no victim in this case.
2:12 - How much you wanna bet Stella will gaslight Octavia/Andrealphus into thinking Satan just straight-up executed her dad and try to keep her from finding out he's alive, but... well, at his lowest?
In my school vr game Stella and Andrelphus were responsible for Titan Cameraman disappears for 7 months and due to what Titan Cameraman is kidnapping him (if you watched Skibidi Toilets you know) is blows the Mastermind bullish.t out of the Sea of souls
in my eyes stella isn't so much stupid as shortsighted and implusive and more concerned with what she wants now. SHe doesn't care about power like her brother does, she's already living her best life even if she has to do by bullying her 'husband'. She'd rather do something that makes her happy NOW than jsut wait forever. She clearly doesn't give a shit about politics, hence her ignoarance as to the importance of the grimoire. I do say she's worse cause Andrealphus has to put on SOME charade for others to get what he wants and he's patient enough to jsut wait till he does something, while stella will ruin lives and murder people without a second thought if she's angry enough. Basically she's worse cause she's more volatile and more actively dangerous, while Andrealphus has some things holding him back.
Sam Haft _has_ mentioned in the past (although I don't recall where) that Andrealphus is apparently trying to mask his gay by commenting on Stella's good looks all the time which is genuinely hilarious.
It really does make sense for vassago to be an older brother of Stolas. He and Andre (I’m not typing out his full name) are at odds parallel their younger brother/sister
I'd say Andrealphus is easily more evil since he's an active, intelligent, malicious force. Stella is a dumb malicious bimbo. Stella is functionally helpless while Andrealphus is actively making things worse at all times
I would say Octavia: you covered it pretty well. Vassago: we don't know much about him but he dose seem to be a pretty good guys, careing and determined. Stolas: yeah .... Hes uhhhh... He done a lot of shit..... Corise Blitz into sleeping with him, hypocrisy and neglecting his daughter even though she needs him the most, hes still not the worst of course, but I just feel he done too much SB Pimon: yeah..... Pretty much. Stella: she sucks, but a lot of her evil scream seems to come from Andre. Sooooooo Andre: this due is cold, pun intended, he really is manipulating his own sister for power. Stella done a lot of BS but this is real BS.
I wish Octavia had more of a personality outside of being *"Stolas' daughter"* since she had yet to have a conversation with anyone that didn't wrap around to Stolas. There's alot of potential there for her character that just isn't being used, so alot of the time she feels like a plot device to give Stolas' standing within the Goetia some stakes and to make him seem less horrible than Stella. Because as you pointed out early on, Stolas 'does' get over-victimised by the narrative in a way that serves to (almost certainly by design) remove much of the accountability to his own actions: Stolas cheated on Stella: Well turns out she was always abusive so that's okay. Stolas talks down to Imps, mistreats them and sees them as beneath him? Well Paimon made him that way so it's okay. Stolas neglects Octavia to the point she runs off twice? Well he really does love her and is supposedly "trying" so we should give him a break. Stolas broke up with Blitzo and sent him into a downward spiral? Well Blitzo misinterpreted his intentions and got angry at him, so really Blitzo is the bad guy here? See what I mean? The show beats up on Stolas but in a way that we're meant to pity him for. Despite Stolas' actions consistently hurting everyone around him, good guys and bad guys. Don't forget that just about every onscreen Human death we've seen is because of Stolas. He allowed Blitzo to use his Grimoire (and later got him the Asmodeus Crystal) and allowed I.M.P to rack up an insane body count of Humans...Many of which we cannot be sure had it coming. And some just get massacred as collateral damage (Seeing the Stars)...But these deaths are played for comedy so Stolas' accountability in them happening is ignored. By comparison Stella and Andrealphus aren't anywhere close to evil as Stolas is, yes they are bad people for wanting to take all that he has...But they haven't killed anyone so far. Stolas has caused Hell to become invaded by Cherubs working for D.H.O.R.K.S and he very nearly got I.M.P killed by Satan. Stolas gets alot of pity and sympathy, but when you look at his actions critically...He's responsible for more deaths than anyone else on the show.
For sins mas andrealphus is going to make an appearance infront of stolas’s mansion that he frozen really embracing his elsa on a mental breakdown nature and a frame of Octavia surrounded by purple candles (trailer of 2024)
since the release of the Mastermind episode, it's painted a very clear picture to me that Stella doesn't give 2 sh!ts about her daughter. All Stella cared for is her current royal status and the enjoyment of tormenting Stolas as a means to pass the time. Stella has been and will continue to be a spoiled entitled brat, never punished or disciplined by her very actions to care unless a dagger is cut right into her cold un-dead heart. For a while I wanted to see some kind of scene where we do actually see Stella and Octavia in the same room but actually interacting. Mastermind gave me enough for just that 5 second scene to tell me Stella is both a terrible Wife but also a terrible Mother. Unless Sinmas episode wants to prove me wrong, I have a strong suspicious belief that either Andrea or Stella will say something they should not have said within ear distance for Luna to eavesdrop into.
Not to mention that in the party scene of the night Blitzo appeared to steal the book, Stella somewhat referred to Octavia as the egg that popped out of her. Even if she didn't directly call her the egg, her saying that she was glad about it purely for the reason of not having to be intimate with Stolas anymore shows that even Octavia's birth didn't affect her as if it did then she would at least say she is grateful for having Octavia but instead she views her birth as more of a convenience for her rather than a gift to treasure and care for.
Personally, I really don't want Octavia to be depicted as like a saint in HB. I want her to have some layers to show that she too can have flaws. Like when she starts believing that if her parental figures won't teach her magic (like her now-tarnished father or self-interested mother and uncle), then she would teach it herself even if it meant sneaking in to grab Andrealphus's grimoire without his persmission/notice. Or maybe she'd succumb to the angst-side and start becoming as bad as her mother unless someone knocks some sense into her. Of course, she would learn from her mistakes in the end to further her character development, and maybe find happiness with friends regardless of stature. But I guess if the 'sainted' route were taken for her, then she'd possibly be like a ally to Charlie Morningstar and her 'redemption' cause as like the proper-brains addition. Just anything to not make her too boring in the final outcome.
I kinda got the feeling that Vassago is a friend of Stolas specifically, and may not necessarily care too much about Blitz and I.M.P., given that most of the times he spoke up, it was to support or speak up for Stolas in particular.
I think Octavia's value to Stella is a 'prize' in terms of her being the favorite parent, and that's about the level to which she cares. Otherwise, her focus is on herself, her social circle, and naturally, hating/trying to kill Stolas.
Who else think Andre is MORE evil than Stella, he's WAY more manipulative Also, if you don't know, Stolas was originally gonna be a villain And I don't think it's fair to say Stella's friends are evil just because that hang out with her like seriously maybe they don't know what Stella's doing
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Stolas may HAVE good intentions, but that doesn’t change the fact that he broke demon law for over a year knowing it was a punishable offense, all because he was horny. He definitely should not be in the highest tier, maybe the middle tier but the highest? No. He wouldn’t have gotten his status, powers, and daughter taken away if he didn’t do something extremely wrong. Don’t forget the mass hypocrisy too.
I rank Stolas as the most evil Goetia purely by his body count. Every single Human killed by I.M.P only happened because of Stolas' enabling. The majority of which will end up in Hell as Sinners who then end up under the thumb of an Overlord, or become Overlords themselves. Stolas may have not directly killed those Humans but he is utterly indifferent to their death and suffering.
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Wickedbinge sucks. They keep messing up my favorite villain and not doing their research. The only time they actually did was in Squid Game where they had a valid point for Sykes losing at the Marbles Game.
It maybe weird but andrealphus was right when he said “you’re so lucky you are hot Stella” because while it’s weird coming from her brother he’s no exactly wrong Stella is pretty much of no consequences to the geotia so if she died after Octavia was born I doubt pimond would care much in fact it’s likely that the only reason she hasn’t p*ssed someone off enough to want to kill her yet is because she is hot. Apart from throwing parties she’s pretty useless to the geotia once Octavia was born
Fun fact: people who say all demons are evil couldnt be further from the truth. A majority of demons are evil, yes. But a small part is actually rather friendly towards human souls. For example: Vassago. There are many others but due to Vassago being the only helluva boss demon to be on that list, it fits to put him there over the others.
I agree that characters you love to hate can be pretty good when done well, but I just don’t think Stella is done well. She’s just so genuinely incompetent that I fail to ever be threatened by her despite how much power she has (which is also how I feel abt Striker). Andrealphus is hatable scum as well, but he’s cunning and smart with his plans, meaning he’s someone I can hate for being hatable. Stella, I just hate her bc she’s an idiot, and frankly it’s embarrassing whenever the show acts like she’s a genuine threat. Before mastermind I was never once threatened by her trying to take Stolas’ power bc it seemed like she was incapable of doing it. Now I’m threatened by it, but only bc Andrealphus is an actual threat. Stella is just a moron.
Paimon has DEFINITELY done evil things off screen, but why do I feel like he's gonna get the Lucifer treatment, you know super threatening evil being turns out being portrayed as a misunderstood goof
Stella is NOT worse than Andrealphus. His whole character is being mastermind behind the scenes and using stella for his own gain. I also wouldnt call Stolas pretty good considering everything he did to Blitz (countless of videos analyzing everything bad Stolas has done to blitz in past episodes). Saying stolas had good intentions isn't a good argument for Stolas' behaviour. Just switch Vassago and Stolas, Andrealphus and Steall and we are good
Honestly, this ranking reminds me a lot of WickedBinge where they rank characters from good to evil! Also we see that Vassago is the most good despite his minor appearance and I have a feeling Andrealphus is the most evil Goetia here since he got I.M.P. arrested and he was happy that Blitz almost got executed and that Stolas lost everything. Stella is even worse especially that she's going to manipulate Octavia and use her for Stella and Andrealphus' selfish plans.
Not a fan of WickedBinge, they keep messing up their rankings about my favorite villain Sykes. The only thing they did right was the squid games video.
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 I did my own research. I'm a Disney fanatic. Some of these villains like Sykes who are ranked low is because of the lack of attention they gave.
I will disagree on the placement of the Gold and Silver here. While they are both inarguably placed in the overall correct category as things stand now I must point out that Andrealphas' capacity for and capability for evil exceeds that of Stella. The Trial premise and plot that played out in Mastermind was wholly of his making, not Stella's, and it was he that was the primary benefactor of its outcome and the albeit temporary assignment of Stolas' Legions to his stewardship as Octavia's Regent. Andy used Stella's knowledge and her rage to leverage the wealth and power to his camp and to no direct benefit of hers as he promised in Western Energy. Stella is STILL just couch surfing at her Brother's place, but now she's doing it in her former home. The true test of how evil Stella is will come when/if she realizes how much her own "Dear Brother" has used her to his own ends while doing nothing but creep lusting over her the whole time...especially when he comes to the conclusion that Octavia must Die because she'll Age Up to End his Regency long before Stolas' exile has run its course.
Personal tiering right now? Selfless Good, but Selfish Evil 1. Vassago (Selfless) (And, yeah, that is pretty clear even in the very little screen time. Quirky, as far as we can tell selfless. Yeah, most good, even with, possibly even because of, his very little screen time.) 2. Stolas (Good, but Selfish) 3. Octavia (Good, but Selfish) (Yeah, I'm sorry, even just based on Seeing Stars, I just...can't call her pure hearted, and certainly not closer to that than Stolas. I would be REALLY surprised if Via ever made the sacrifice play. Via falling to evil, even, wouldn't really surprise me that much.) 4. Andrealphus (Evil) (Is he good? No. He IS cruel and power hungry. But we also haven't seen out of him cruelty that is simultaneously intentional and aimless, like we kinda have with Paimon and DEFINITELY seen with Stella.) 5. Paimon (Evil) 6. Stella (Evil)
I agree but disagree. Stella is more whiny and immature as Andrealphus actually calculates his plans... plus the way how he talks to his sister is horrible. I disagree with the Octavia part. I've been in her shoes where I had to go through my own parent trying to find a partner like a troubled teenager rather than caring about their own kids. I don't like Stolas because of this relatble part of my life.
PSA: Sassy Ice Peacock is not into his sister, he is gay. Hes trying to be hetronormative. His "you are lucky you are hot, Stella" is his attempt to appear straight
Which is weird since being gay isn't stigmatised in Hell. Most of the cast with confirmed sexualities are LGBTQ+. Being straight appears to be the exception to the rule in Hell.
Really the only way I see why he calls her this is because he is based around those royal families irl that raise their kids into believing they should be attracted to their siblings to "keep the bloodline pure" or "Keep the riches in the family"
Eh. Octavia's not bad, but I wouldn't call her good either. She's just kinda "there" and for being someone so important to Stolas the show criminally underutilizes her. Not to mention that this entire time, when it comes to her dad's troubles she seems to have achieved a level of obliviousness that I didn't even know was possible. It'd be one thing if Stolas was just some dude in passing from who knows where, but this is Octavia's FAMILY who she lived under the same roof with for 17 years, and Stolas has largely been nothing but borderline miserable for most of the time he's spent at home. At some point that should have set _something_ off telling her something was wrong; nobody with the slightest shred of common sense is that dense. As for Stella... Ugh. While her brother is the one pulling all the strings, Stella is the one character I most want to see suffer brutal karmic retribution. She's absolutely putrid, and what makes it worse is that she's not even smart about it (to the point where even Andrealphus has trouble tolerating her stupidity and lowkey rubs it in that her appearance is apparently her only good quality).
Octavia is (ultimately) a very selfish and self centred character. That doesn't make her evil, but does put her well on the path to being degenerate sum like all Ars Goetia are, including her father. Let's be clear, the vast majority of his wealth will have come from racist exploitation of the less powerful demons for thousands of years. We can probably expect a lot of US right wing talking points (wealth-redistribution is communism, reparations are bad, I'm rich because I deserve to be, who should I have to suffer for my ancestor's crimes, oh but I have a bad life too, etc) to come out of Octavia's mouth the moment she's actually confronted with any of it.
i tbh. feel stella will get redeemt in someway, she does realy bad stuff but most comes tbh. from andre and not realy from herself. it is still bad but i could see her getting more screen in somesort of a backstory of hers where we find out how she became this. i want her getting a lil better for her daughter nothing more tbh.
I hope Octavia escape her uncle and mother and learn the truth that her mother never like her and sent striker after her father, And Andrelphus is lithely bit off more than he can chew by taking stolas job is harder than it looks and stolas was doin g it ever since he received his big book as a young chick ( aka child bird).
“The child trying to spend time with her father is the least evil” The fact that she isn’t in a permanent emo phase already makes her pure of heart in comparison to most teenagers
Who's your favorite Ars Goetia?
EDIT: Also I'm aware Ozzie is named as an Ars Goetia in Solomon but he's one of the 7 sins in Helluva Boss. Which is their own entirely different league from the show's Ars Goetia. I'll still take the small L for not mentioning him in that capacity though. He'd go into the "Pretty Good" tier : P
Andrealphus. He's basically glomgold from DuckTales only a peacock
I think vasago is pretty cool and I relate with Octavia so,
#1🏆 Octavia
#2🥈vasago
@@haleythecross-eyedtatterto8461 W
@@haleythecross-eyedtatterto8461 Same, I love Vassago a lot but Octavia was here first and has had much more screentime because of it
Octavia!
I honestly think Andrelphus is worse than Stella. Don't get me wrong, Stella is a bad person, but it's pretty clear Andre has manipulated her for a long time, if not her entire life. She's not really cunning or evil, more of a spoiled brat that has to get her way. Andre is the REAL mastermind behind it all.
My thoughts exactly.
Stella's not "cunning", no. But what is more nauseatingly evil than aimless cruelty...?
I'd argue they're equally bad in different ways. Andrealphus is a scheming snake, and Stella is a heartless grubby b~~~~nugget just for enjoyment's sake.
Mastermind….say that again.
I saw someone calling Stella worse than Valentino... like for what? Being spoiled? Being a rich a-hole? Are we really comparing a spoiled brat that never grew up to a slave owner that constantly drugs and abuses people?
I will say this and people will hate to hear but Stella is still redeemable, she doesnt need to change, doesnt need to like Stolas, all she need to do is to care about her daughter a little, if she does that then she automatically becomes a better person without any change at all. (I dont want her buddy-buddy with Stolas anyway)
Some people like to add the bit with her strangling the creature on EP1 of S2, but she was a kid, her parents or caretakers were there didnt stopped her and even celebrated with a picture, she is just a product of the broken nobility, she lives in a echo chamber that perpetuates her thoughts as right and Stolas's as wrong, calling her evil for lacking empathy when no one around her has any is laughable, Stolas killed a Imp on screen, it was in self defense? Yes, but was it needed? No! We know royalty cant be harmed by normal weapons, what Stolas did was more evil but we dont talk about it do we?
Gotta love how Andrealphus first appeared for one frame in the 2022 trailer, then officially revealed on Twitter months Before season 2 even started, then was mentioned By Stella in The circus, then first appeared in Western energy with a minor role, and basically became the show's main antagonist as of "Mastermind". Definitely a proper set up for a villain
I feel like he is going to be that power hungry uncle who wants to chat with Via on the top of the strairs. Maybe that is how Stolas will get his daughter back, that they will live like the normal demons but are together and happy.
Agreed! Of all the Helluva Boss villains, Andrealphus is my favourite
I randomly decided to look it up where Stolas landed in power among the ars Goetia basically from what I can tell the only reason Stolas isn't top 4 is because one of them is Asmodeus
among ars huh
😂
Stolas is a Prince so he's high up yeah, pretty sure Vassagos around there too. Andrealphus is just a Marquis
Andrealphus had 30 legions before, now he also has Stolas' 26, meaning he now has 56 legions, just shy of Bael's 66 and Paimon's 200.
@@smolidk7981why does stolas have less? When Adrealphus is a marquis a lower ranking than prince.
I feel like everyone forgot Paimon. I'm hoping to see him next episode. He started of the season, it would be nice of him to end it. Maybe he can actually be a good father for once and check on his son. I can only hope.
...I highly doubt that. I bet he even forgot Stolas's name when he was just born.
Like most neglectful dads, they don't play much of a roll in your life/story.
perhaps he could appear being mad at andrealphus for failing possibly
I agree with most of the list, I'd just put Vassago over stolas, since he did nothing but stand up against a fraudulent trial, where Stolas, as much as I love him, still did some bad things.
Edit: Oh and I believe Andre isn't actually into his sister Stella, since he is canonically gay. Guess he just thinks very highly of her beauty or smth.
For Andrealphous beauty is an important element in how he perceives others and himself. (It makes sense because he's a peacock) In Stella's case it's also meant as a kind of insult, because whenever he says she's beautiful it's his way of saying that it's Stella only redeeming quality.
He's trying to sell her again because she's freeloading off of him.
Vivzie liked a post saying he was doing it to seem more straight so that’s something
If Andre is gay then that means he just worship his sister to point of unhealthy
Andrealphus and Stella may be evil, but they are both fun and charismatic to watch and are absolute icons. i hope to see more of their subling dynamic in the future.
Stella for f*ck sake stop making this harder to bullsh!t 😒 -Andre
Seriosly stella charismatic whit her screaming voice and monkey level intalegence and absulutly zero morals for being evil how nice humanity finaly going insane
@@FunVideos-qf4zr yeah evil fruity Elsa can be such a mood
Still hating both of them
I feel like i would swap Stella and Andrealphus, purely because Stella's goals are very simple and she doesnt really care for the wider picture. She hates Stolas and wants him to suffer, she doesnt really care about much else or who else is involced. But Andrealphus is the one plotting everything, pulling the strings, and manipulating the people around them. He is in this for power for himself, and is taking advantage of the situation to benefit his own interests.
I will also say I still hope there is something more to Stella, like she does love Octavia genuinely, because i'm still disappointed they made her so cartoonishly evil in order to absolve Stolas of wrongdoing. I feel like it made both her and Stolas less interesting as characters.
I guess you could say Andrealphus is the Mastermind
@@Blazing8 ba-dum tssk 🥁
i don't know why the mexican bird is good but i like him
Vassago?
I think he’s not Mexican, I think he’s either Puerto Rican or Cuban
According to the fandom and viv
Vasago actually 1st appeared in the Hazbin Hotel pilot during Vaggie's story of Alastor when it shows all the other overlords, found just under Vox
Paimon, he started all this ,because of him, Stolas' life is hell
I agree with the list 😎 My favorite Goetia is Stolas but I’m pretty interested in seeing Vasago and Andrealphus in the future.
I’d like to think Vasago would come to help Stolas but in secret, and slowly build a better bond while with Blitz for the time being. And Andre def seems like end game villain type for the show. Love how funny he is too, a pos ya love to laugh at lol.
Octavia is such a cutie, she just wanted to spend some time with her dad, Stolas. But I have a feeling that the season finale is going to paint a more problematic and questionable ending.
I love how Stella and Andre play the big bad guys of the series, I wouldn’t be surprised that Octavia has the rest of her life miserable without her dad, but I fell like Stolas should apologize to his daughter and explain to her that her mom is just using her.
7:47 I love the look of annoyance on Stolas's face during this scene. Because, he's either looks like he REALLY wants to sock Andrelphus in the face or thinking " You really love the sound of your own voice don't you Andrelphus."
I'd say that's a pretty accurate ranking. Octavia is trapped in a sick game of power and Stoals tried to protect her. With him gone, I'm more worried about her in season 3!
Reminder vassago is the only example of a non sinner overlord meaning he is probably the one the goetia have representing himself in the overlords
Andrealphous is worse than Stella. Stella's behaviour is more excusable. Not only was her entire life planned(way more than stolas), she never wanted to marry Stolas in the first place.
Stella literally got a hitman to kill Stolas...
Stella wanted to kill Stolas. She wanted to murder the father of her own daughter. She hates Stolas more than she loves Octavia.
@@LucaB-i2fyes were aware that this doesnt excuse her actions. but still.
Andrelphus and Stella are giving Jesse and James from team rocket
Who would be their version of Meowth?
@galaxyglow5187 um Striker but moxxie's height
1:22 is crazy 💀
I thought I was the only one who saw it
I think in the next episode stoles want to see his daughter but Stella and her brother want to stop him so a fight begins than Octavia sings
Instead of putting the good boy at third place for most good, I would put him above, stolas that’s not only did the man desire, true justice, actively defended and stood up to Andre
Our favorite owl boy cheated on his wife. I know he didn’t like the marriage, but that’s still something that shouldn’t happen. I know it comes.
Cheating one doesn’t count, he didn’t love her and she didn’t love him back. Plus she got pissed because he cheated with an imp, which ruined her image.
“ It still shouldn’t have happened “ that would be right unless we consider the fact that they both mutually never cared for each other at ALL.
@@bgggg4168 cheating does count because of how it affects Octavia as a whole! Octavia is clearly uncomfortable by the whole relationship not to mention the fact that he's using her as a means to get away from Stella taking her into LooLoo Land which she Hates just pump and dump in his 'impish little thing' are we all forgetting the fact that he literally dirty talks in front of her while Blitz is trying to be professional? Octavia feels like he's abandoning her because he doesn't love her mother or the fact that he's in love with Blitz she clearly feels unloved in this family but in the end she forgives him even though he will do the same thing over and over again despite saying that he wants to change but the characters don't know that only we the audience know that so that isn't much the case because he never tries to change that much because he made up this fictional wonderful land in his head and expect everything to go in his way.
@@CarrotSpunk. Exactly, it bothers me how much the fans (and the show) whitewash Stolas by discounting alot of his shittiest actions.
I blame the "Protagonist Centered Morality" that Helluva Boss runs on, where the worst actions of the protagonists are largely ignored while the villains' actions are only treated as especially bad because they oppose the protagonists.
Stolas has way more blood on his hands then Stella or Andrealphus. But because it's Human blood nobody cares.
@@PlanetZoidstar My thoughts exactly I've seen this many times before in media where the protagonists are always right and everyone who's are against them are either wrong or dumb and others who are on their sides are always right same goes for HB.
Asmodeus: am i a joke to you?
Lucifer and the rest of the sins -beelzabub: yes yes you are
6:06 His Design is pretty cool and He’s voiced by Jonathan Freeman, Who also Voiced Jafar in 1992’s Aladdin.
I agree that out of the Goetia we've seen, Andrealphus is definitely one of the "most evil." I mean, he did have Striker lie in court for his own ends, but let's not forget he didn't hire him initially to kill Stolas, Stella did. True, he didn't really care, but he did talk her into resending her order.
stolas is a nice guy but blitz's behavior towards him has led both him and the relationship in a bad direction
I do think Stolas Is also a fault, He used to Say things to blitz that clearly Made him uncomfortable
@@Fajitaguy123i mean he FORCED blitz to be in the relationship at the threat of loosing EVERYTHING he worked for. Ofc blitz didn't mind that much and stolas didn't think it thriught and were totally not malocious but the fact still exists
What I don't like is how Stolas is constantly victimized as Blitz is getting all of the hate. "OH MY GOOD YOU POOR OWL" "Blitz I care bout u but wtf"
It's annoying.
Please stop blaming everything on blitzo, I personally love stolas but he is incredibly hypocritical(and a lot more, actually)
@@Fajitaguy123 isn't he the one that manipulated Blitz by setting up a scenario in one of the episodes by using an abusive tactic that requires the abuser to put themselves in a position of power while also making the test subject making a decision which they have to choose "the correct decision" this caused Blitz to lash out and obviously he looks very distressed by Stolas' actions? Clearly from my perspective he's no victim in this case.
Okay let’s be honest, most of the ars goetia will be related to Stolas pretty closely because Paimon had so many kids
6:25 it is indeed not a good excuse, but then again, Paimon has 71 children. That's a lot of names to remember
2:12 - How much you wanna bet Stella will gaslight Octavia/Andrealphus into thinking Satan just straight-up executed her dad and try to keep her from finding out he's alive, but... well, at his lowest?
In my school vr game Stella and Andrelphus were responsible for Titan Cameraman disappears for 7 months and due to what Titan Cameraman is kidnapping him (if you watched Skibidi Toilets you know) is blows the Mastermind bullish.t out of the Sea of souls
in my eyes stella isn't so much stupid as shortsighted and implusive and more concerned with what she wants now. SHe doesn't care about power like her brother does, she's already living her best life even if she has to do by bullying her 'husband'. She'd rather do something that makes her happy NOW than jsut wait forever. She clearly doesn't give a shit about politics, hence her ignoarance as to the importance of the grimoire.
I do say she's worse cause Andrealphus has to put on SOME charade for others to get what he wants and he's patient enough to jsut wait till he does something, while stella will ruin lives and murder people without a second thought if she's angry enough. Basically she's worse cause she's more volatile and more actively dangerous, while Andrealphus has some things holding him back.
Sam Haft _has_ mentioned in the past (although I don't recall where) that Andrealphus is apparently trying to mask his gay by commenting on Stella's good looks all the time which is genuinely hilarious.
It really does make sense for vassago to be an older brother of Stolas. He and Andre (I’m not typing out his full name) are at odds parallel their younger brother/sister
I still think he should be on top of Stolas than below. Stolas at the moment did way much more horrible things to Blitz and his daughter.
Literally no competition
Octavia say most good
Stolas second good
Andrealphus and Stella share first for most evil
I'd say Andrealphus is easily more evil since he's an active, intelligent, malicious force. Stella is a dumb malicious bimbo. Stella is functionally helpless while Andrealphus is actively making things worse at all times
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Fair point
I’d put Vassago over Stolas
I would say
Octavia: you covered it pretty well.
Vassago: we don't know much about him but he dose seem to be a pretty good guys, careing and determined.
Stolas: yeah .... Hes uhhhh... He done a lot of shit..... Corise Blitz into sleeping with him, hypocrisy and neglecting his daughter even though she needs him the most, hes still not the worst of course, but I just feel he done too much SB
Pimon: yeah..... Pretty much.
Stella: she sucks, but a lot of her evil scream seems to come from Andre. Sooooooo
Andre: this due is cold, pun intended, he really is manipulating his own sister for power. Stella done a lot of BS but this is real BS.
Unrelated, I love striker, I feel the only reason he’s doing this towards Blitzø is because he NEEDS the money. Like he needs to feed Bomb proof 😢
I wish Octavia had more of a personality outside of being *"Stolas' daughter"* since she had yet to have a conversation with anyone that didn't wrap around to Stolas. There's alot of potential there for her character that just isn't being used, so alot of the time she feels like a plot device to give Stolas' standing within the Goetia some stakes and to make him seem less horrible than Stella.
Because as you pointed out early on, Stolas 'does' get over-victimised by the narrative in a way that serves to (almost certainly by design) remove much of the accountability to his own actions:
Stolas cheated on Stella: Well turns out she was always abusive so that's okay.
Stolas talks down to Imps, mistreats them and sees them as beneath him? Well Paimon made him that way so it's okay.
Stolas neglects Octavia to the point she runs off twice? Well he really does love her and is supposedly "trying" so we should give him a break.
Stolas broke up with Blitzo and sent him into a downward spiral? Well Blitzo misinterpreted his intentions and got angry at him, so really Blitzo is the bad guy here?
See what I mean? The show beats up on Stolas but in a way that we're meant to pity him for. Despite Stolas' actions consistently hurting everyone around him, good guys and bad guys.
Don't forget that just about every onscreen Human death we've seen is because of Stolas. He allowed Blitzo to use his Grimoire (and later got him the Asmodeus Crystal) and allowed I.M.P to rack up an insane body count of Humans...Many of which we cannot be sure had it coming. And some just get massacred as collateral damage (Seeing the Stars)...But these deaths are played for comedy so Stolas' accountability in them happening is ignored.
By comparison Stella and Andrealphus aren't anywhere close to evil as Stolas is, yes they are bad people for wanting to take all that he has...But they haven't killed anyone so far. Stolas has caused Hell to become invaded by Cherubs working for D.H.O.R.K.S and he very nearly got I.M.P killed by Satan. Stolas gets alot of pity and sympathy, but when you look at his actions critically...He's responsible for more deaths than anyone else on the show.
Simple, pure evil is Stella and Andrephus, done.
I can't wait for the episode that shows 100 years later when stolas is finally a goetia again!
For sins mas andrealphus is going to make an appearance infront of stolas’s mansion that he frozen really embracing his elsa on a mental breakdown nature and a frame of Octavia surrounded by purple candles (trailer of 2024)
since the release of the Mastermind episode, it's painted a very clear picture to me that Stella doesn't give 2 sh!ts about her daughter. All Stella cared for is her current royal status and the enjoyment of tormenting Stolas as a means to pass the time. Stella has been and will continue to be a spoiled entitled brat, never punished or disciplined by her very actions to care unless a dagger is cut right into her cold un-dead heart. For a while I wanted to see some kind of scene where we do actually see Stella and Octavia in the same room but actually interacting. Mastermind gave me enough for just that 5 second scene to tell me Stella is both a terrible Wife but also a terrible Mother. Unless Sinmas episode wants to prove me wrong, I have a strong suspicious belief that either Andrea or Stella will say something they should not have said within ear distance for Luna to eavesdrop into.
Not to mention that in the party scene of the night Blitzo appeared to steal the book, Stella somewhat referred to Octavia as the egg that popped out of her.
Even if she didn't directly call her the egg, her saying that she was glad about it purely for the reason of not having to be intimate with Stolas anymore shows that even Octavia's birth didn't affect her as if it did then she would at least say she is grateful for having Octavia but instead she views her birth as more of a convenience for her rather than a gift to treasure and care for.
Personally, I really don't want Octavia to be depicted as like a saint in HB. I want her to have some layers to show that she too can have flaws. Like when she starts believing that if her parental figures won't teach her magic (like her now-tarnished father or self-interested mother and uncle), then she would teach it herself even if it meant sneaking in to grab Andrealphus's grimoire without his persmission/notice. Or maybe she'd succumb to the angst-side and start becoming as bad as her mother unless someone knocks some sense into her.
Of course, she would learn from her mistakes in the end to further her character development, and maybe find happiness with friends regardless of stature.
But I guess if the 'sainted' route were taken for her, then she'd possibly be like a ally to Charlie Morningstar and her 'redemption' cause as like the proper-brains addition. Just anything to not make her too boring in the final outcome.
I kinda got the feeling that Vassago is a friend of Stolas specifically, and may not necessarily care too much about Blitz and I.M.P., given that most of the times he spoke up, it was to support or speak up for Stolas in particular.
I think Octavia's value to Stella is a 'prize' in terms of her being the favorite parent, and that's about the level to which she cares. Otherwise, her focus is on herself, her social circle, and naturally, hating/trying to kill Stolas.
Who else think Andre is MORE evil than Stella, he's WAY more manipulative
Also, if you don't know, Stolas was originally gonna be a villain
And I don't think it's fair to say Stella's friends are evil just because that hang out with her like seriously maybe they don't know what Stella's doing
Stella would be a top most Evil mom at Disney
What about Ausmodius? Yes I know he’s a Deadly Sin, but In the Lesser Key of Solomon he is listed as An Ars Goetia.
He's a mixed breed.
“Crystallized, I please nope I was fucking perfect. Oh my God perfect oh shit shit hell yes” I don’t know I was searching for Crystallized on newgrounds
Personly I think that vasago knew stolas was gonna sing if he arrived and just enjoys his singing
Vassgao is probably the most morally ambiguous one. He’s willing to defend Stolas but at the same time doesn’t care about his love affair.
Stolas may HAVE good intentions, but that doesn’t change the fact that he broke demon law for over a year knowing it was a punishable offense, all because he was horny. He definitely should not be in the highest tier, maybe the middle tier but the highest? No. He wouldn’t have gotten his status, powers, and daughter taken away if he didn’t do something extremely wrong. Don’t forget the mass hypocrisy too.
I rank Stolas as the most evil Goetia purely by his body count.
Every single Human killed by I.M.P only happened because of Stolas' enabling.
The majority of which will end up in Hell as Sinners who then end up under the thumb of an Overlord, or become Overlords themselves.
Stolas may have not directly killed those Humans but he is utterly indifferent to their death and suffering.
Ummm I have a video request it will be strange
Ranking every diamond in Steven universe which consists of pink diamond/Rose quartz yellow diamond blue diamond white diamond and steven I know it is weird to request a steven universe vid of alllll things but I just thought it would be a cool idea of course the videos you make are completely up to YOU 😊
Also Viv did a tweet thing on your birthday I guess your destiny is to like him (as a character because I think simping for fictional characters is fine but wanting to smash them is creepy) 😅
Only Wickedbinge can rank the characters from Good to Evil.
Wickedbinge sucks. They keep messing up my favorite villain and not doing their research. The only time they actually did was in Squid Game where they had a valid point for Sykes losing at the Marbles Game.
Andre did not get Stolas' legions, but he tried
It maybe weird but andrealphus was right when he said “you’re so lucky you are hot Stella” because while it’s weird coming from her brother he’s no exactly wrong Stella is pretty much of no consequences to the geotia so if she died after Octavia was born I doubt pimond would care much in fact it’s likely that the only reason she hasn’t p*ssed someone off enough to want to kill her yet is because she is hot. Apart from throwing parties she’s pretty useless to the geotia once Octavia was born
True. It's Octavia who is truly important. If something happens to Stella it would indeed have little consequence.
Good point. It's Octavia who is truly important. If something happens to Stella it would indeed have little consequence.
Stella and her brother are definitely the most evil
Fun fact: people who say all demons are evil couldnt be further from the truth. A majority of demons are evil, yes. But a small part is actually rather friendly towards human souls. For example: Vassago. There are many others but due to Vassago being the only helluva boss demon to be on that list, it fits to put him there over the others.
Happy bday
I agree that characters you love to hate can be pretty good when done well, but I just don’t think Stella is done well. She’s just so genuinely incompetent that I fail to ever be threatened by her despite how much power she has (which is also how I feel abt Striker). Andrealphus is hatable scum as well, but he’s cunning and smart with his plans, meaning he’s someone I can hate for being hatable. Stella, I just hate her bc she’s an idiot, and frankly it’s embarrassing whenever the show acts like she’s a genuine threat. Before mastermind I was never once threatened by her trying to take Stolas’ power bc it seemed like she was incapable of doing it. Now I’m threatened by it, but only bc Andrealphus is an actual threat. Stella is just a moron.
Andrelphus is worse than Stella.
Stella is stupid evil, Andrelphus is essentially her handler.
Andre says that to Stella to sound, heteronormative
I’m excited for the next Ars Goetia to be 10 times evil than Stella.
we bouta make stella soup with this one
Yeah, this is the exact order I would do too.
unsure if u do what if's, but what if Blitz and Stolas' affair never got revealed?
Paimon has DEFINITELY done evil things off screen, but why do I feel like he's gonna get the Lucifer treatment, you know super threatening evil being turns out being portrayed as a misunderstood goof
Nah I doubt it. It looked like he did not regret forcing Stolas to marry Stella.
But what about asmodeus!?
Stella is NOT worse than Andrealphus. His whole character is being mastermind behind the scenes and using stella for his own gain. I also wouldnt call Stolas pretty good considering everything he did to Blitz (countless of videos analyzing everything bad Stolas has done to blitz in past episodes). Saying stolas had good intentions isn't a good argument for Stolas' behaviour. Just switch Vassago and Stolas, Andrealphus and Steall and we are good
throughout heaven and earth Vessago is the kindest
Hope the creators give out the names of the goetia that appear
Honestly, this ranking reminds me a lot of WickedBinge where they rank characters from good to evil! Also we see that Vassago is the most good despite his minor appearance and I have a feeling Andrealphus is the most evil Goetia here since he got I.M.P. arrested and he was happy that Blitz almost got executed and that Stolas lost everything. Stella is even worse especially that she's going to manipulate Octavia and use her for Stella and Andrealphus' selfish plans.
Not a fan of WickedBinge, they keep messing up their rankings about my favorite villain Sykes. The only thing they did right was the squid games video.
@Yellowguy0619 What are you saying?
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 I'm saying that Wickedbinge doesn't do their research well enough on characters.
@@Yellowguy0619 How do you know?
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 I did my own research. I'm a Disney fanatic. Some of these villains like Sykes who are ranked low is because of the lack of attention they gave.
I will disagree on the placement of the Gold and Silver here. While they are both inarguably placed in the overall correct category as things stand now I must point out that Andrealphas' capacity for and capability for evil exceeds that of Stella. The Trial premise and plot that played out in Mastermind was wholly of his making, not Stella's, and it was he that was the primary benefactor of its outcome and the albeit temporary assignment of Stolas' Legions to his stewardship as Octavia's Regent.
Andy used Stella's knowledge and her rage to leverage the wealth and power to his camp and to no direct benefit of hers as he promised in Western Energy. Stella is STILL just couch surfing at her Brother's place, but now she's doing it in her former home.
The true test of how evil Stella is will come when/if she realizes how much her own "Dear Brother" has used her to his own ends while doing nothing but creep lusting over her the whole time...especially when he comes to the conclusion that Octavia must Die because she'll Age Up to End his Regency long before Stolas' exile has run its course.
Andrelifes has high heels
Shouldn't asmodeus also be on this list?
Personal tiering right now?
Selfless
Good, but Selfish
Evil
1. Vassago (Selfless) (And, yeah, that is pretty clear even in the very little screen time. Quirky, as far as we can tell selfless. Yeah, most good, even with, possibly even because of, his very little screen time.)
2. Stolas (Good, but Selfish)
3. Octavia (Good, but Selfish) (Yeah, I'm sorry, even just based on Seeing Stars, I just...can't call her pure hearted, and certainly not closer to that than Stolas. I would be REALLY surprised if Via ever made the sacrifice play. Via falling to evil, even, wouldn't really surprise me that much.)
4. Andrealphus (Evil) (Is he good? No. He IS cruel and power hungry. But we also haven't seen out of him cruelty that is simultaneously intentional and aimless, like we kinda have with Paimon and DEFINITELY seen with Stella.)
5. Paimon (Evil)
6. Stella (Evil)
I agree but disagree. Stella is more whiny and immature as Andrealphus actually calculates his plans... plus the way how he talks to his sister is horrible.
I disagree with the Octavia part. I've been in her shoes where I had to go through my own parent trying to find a partner like a troubled teenager rather than caring about their own kids. I don't like Stolas because of this relatble part of my life.
PSA: Sassy Ice Peacock is not into his sister, he is gay. Hes trying to be hetronormative. His "you are lucky you are hot, Stella" is his attempt to appear straight
Which is weird since being gay isn't stigmatised in Hell.
Most of the cast with confirmed sexualities are LGBTQ+.
Being straight appears to be the exception to the rule in Hell.
Really the only way I see why he calls her this is because he is based around those royal families irl that raise their kids into believing they should be attracted to their siblings to "keep the bloodline pure" or "Keep the riches in the family"
15 hours
Will laugh hard if your top 3 became redeemed angels
Your missing one
Impotent character of the ars Goetia
Asmodeus
Random but birthday twins lol 🎉
Isn’t Ozzie technically an goetia? Or am I wrong
You’re right 👍
You didn't cover oizze
I’d say Andrealphus is the most evil ars goetia as I feel like he’s way more evil than Stella who seems less competent than Andrealphus
I think Satan has gotten a... warmer reception by the fanbase than Vassago.
It's because he's a hot dragon.
@@hellfoxwolf14 No, he's just Sykes but as a bull.
Eh. Octavia's not bad, but I wouldn't call her good either. She's just kinda "there" and for being someone so important to Stolas the show criminally underutilizes her. Not to mention that this entire time, when it comes to her dad's troubles she seems to have achieved a level of obliviousness that I didn't even know was possible. It'd be one thing if Stolas was just some dude in passing from who knows where, but this is Octavia's FAMILY who she lived under the same roof with for 17 years, and Stolas has largely been nothing but borderline miserable for most of the time he's spent at home. At some point that should have set _something_ off telling her something was wrong; nobody with the slightest shred of common sense is that dense.
As for Stella... Ugh. While her brother is the one pulling all the strings, Stella is the one character I most want to see suffer brutal karmic retribution. She's absolutely putrid, and what makes it worse is that she's not even smart about it (to the point where even Andrealphus has trouble tolerating her stupidity and lowkey rubs it in that her appearance is apparently her only good quality).
Vassago is the best goetia and you can’t convince me otherwise
where's Asmodeus???
Holder plantain versus SpongeBob and Mr. crabs combo I might be dumb where or I might be cooking
Just say you running out of ideas unc😭🙏🏾
Octavia and Vassago
Stollas and Ozzie and Paimon
Stella and Andy
*You Forgot About Asmodeous* 😢
Octavia is (ultimately) a very selfish and self centred character. That doesn't make her evil, but does put her well on the path to being degenerate sum like all Ars Goetia are, including her father.
Let's be clear, the vast majority of his wealth will have come from racist exploitation of the less powerful demons for thousands of years. We can probably expect a lot of US right wing talking points (wealth-redistribution is communism, reparations are bad, I'm rich because I deserve to be, who should I have to suffer for my ancestor's crimes, oh but I have a bad life too, etc) to come out of Octavia's mouth the moment she's actually confronted with any of it.
i tbh. feel stella will get redeemt in someway, she does realy bad stuff but most comes tbh. from andre and not realy from herself. it is still bad but i could see her getting more screen in somesort of a backstory of hers where we find out how she became this. i want her getting a lil better for her daughter nothing more tbh.
Pure of heart? Arent they all demons?
I divorced Striker for Vassago :D
I hope Octavia escape her uncle and mother and learn the truth that her mother never like her and sent striker after her father, And Andrelphus is lithely bit off more than he can chew by taking stolas job is harder than it looks and stolas was doin
g it ever since he received his big book as a young chick ( aka child bird).
“The child trying to spend time with her father is the least evil”
The fact that she isn’t in a permanent emo phase already makes her pure of heart in comparison to most teenagers
Vosago deserves to be second or first
Cool
Giggity
bro forgot ozzie