Thanks for the shoutout bro! if a CPU is degrading at stock voltages then something is SERIOUSLY wrong with those voltages. Need to make sure that CPU is not going anywhere NEAR 1.5v....
Good to see you here "Yes Man" 😂 what is safe voltage limit for 13/14th gen that doesn't shorten the life span of CPU specifically mention i7 14700K safe voltage limit. Mine spikes upto1.4V. During cinebench R23 it stays below 1.3v Do I need to worry about CPU longevity. I under clocked to 5.1Ghz and undervolt offset applied -0.050
I can’t believe you’ve seen my video! A shout out was the minimum, your vid on the topic was amazing. And Tech YES City is the best tech channel out there:) Very, VERY true about the 1.5V. Nobody even in the deepest sides of the overclocking community has ever recommended dailying a CPU at 1.5 lol
@@ImWateringPSUs 1.5V is extreme side. What about if my CPU runs on 1.3-1.35 and some random spikes up to 1.4V would that be ok for longevity? But right now I've set the voltage offset to -0.050V and under clocked my i7 14700K to 5.2Ghz/4.0Ghz for both P/E cores. Now under load it stays below 1.2V and some spikes around 1.23V. By the way, CPU lite load was set to "Mode 9" by default.
@techyescity my cousin core was 1.232, +5 volt was 1.6 volts, my cousin avg was 75 °Celcius and the max was 88°C. Is max core temps the same. They were 89°C. Thanks techyescity.My processor is a 13900k. Raptor Lake. Will these specs an temps and volts be okay. Or should I go into my Bios and make your adjustments? Can I find my CPU ratio without going into my Bios by using Hwinfo64 or any other program. Where do I look? I'm wateringPSU recommends a setting on 52 in his video "I found the actual fix" Thanks again.
@@ImWateringPSUs credit to you is definitely deserved, I undervolted via your guides and the pc has been running perfectly regardless of Intel’s issues.
Have you tested Intel XTU in stress test using AVX2 instructions. I will definitely not pass the test try it do let us know. Even my i7 14700k failed if underclocked to 5.3Ghz and undervolted -0.050V. How could your i9 be stable under -0.125V I'm curious...
@@gameotic1 so Im not the type that likes those hardcore stress tests. But I ran cinebench 24 I don’t remember what the score was off the top of my head but no bsod or crashes. I’ll tell you this. I had it downclocked to 5.3 and undervolted -135mv and it (on a daily basis) was great until I did a routine full defender virus scan and it blue screened on me haha. I backed off to -.125 and have never had an issue since. Games play great never goes above 75° hardly. Under load. Under idle 38-42° (air cooler) with this config. I only use bios to configure ratios and voltage. Cache is matched on -.125 as well as the ecores. Stripped stock win11 install msi board
@@gameotic1 I just ran my 14700K in XTU stress AVX2 @5.4 all p-core, -0.105v all core voltage offset, 253w short and long boost and it passed. Temps 95c on one core 93c on another all 6 others peeked 91-87c this was on a custom 240mm loop also disabled 4 of the E-cores more than 8 E- cores in everyday is kind of useless. I'm slowly edging the volts down to find the breaking point. Either you have some settings screwed in BIOS or that chip is .1%/degraded.
Thank you. Works great on my i5 14600k. Now I get higher points in Cinebench R23, 24090pts, 400points more @5,1Ghz than stock settings. Temps went from low 90 using 360 Aio, to mid 70 in Cinebench r23. In games it gets up to 60, Idle at 35. It was stable before and its stable now. Thanks
@@EY-2088 well I am so caled noob as well. I just followed those simple steps in this video, but where he gets to the point to set multiplier, I have used 51. 53 is stock setting on 14600k. Use 51 on all P cores. Leave all E cores at default. Everything else is as described in this video. Hope you get this.
Just wanted to say I used your last video to under volt my 13900k to keep temps down with the setting you suggested. So far I have had no issues with my CPU and I use it often and at high loads. I think the under volt might be the only reason it is still doing fine. Thanks again!
I am going to try this with my 14700K. This CPU has been the most unreliable and unstable chip I have used in the last 20 years. It is a lucky dip if it is going to crash in any game I own. This will be the last Intel CPU I will buy for the foreseeable future. I am looking foward to changing to AMD Ryzen when this Intel crap finally burns itself out.
I've never had a problem with my 13900kf unlimited power. Just fix the core's to all core 5.7p /45e or more set the vcore to lowest stable voltage. For me it was around 1.27v. I've done more testing than the average joe my memory is running 8000mt and my imc isn't matched to vcore. My imc voltage is higher so thats not the case with my setup.
The reason why my Intel processor was crashing was because I was running 4 dimms of memory. As soon as I went to 2 dimms, I never had a crash again. I have a 13600kf, and the memory was Corsair Dominator 6600 mhz.
Great video. Please make more MSI motherboard specific tweaking videos. Every single content creator is making videos with ASUS ROG. We need more MSI specific videos.
I read this on another UA-cam video. Here is the thing for all 13900k users (i don''t have 14900k but it should be the same.) 13900k set your PL1 253 and PL2 275W IccMax 307A (you can also set upt 330A) and set your CPU clock to 5.2ghz, E-core 4.1ghz or disable them if you are doing only gaming, e-core does nothing for gamers, cpu vcore offset 1.270v with -0.010 (5.2ghz needs at least 1.255v to run). IA CEP upto your disable or enable. Thumb of rule here is don't let your CPU VCORE go above 1.350v. If you run your CPU @ volt under 1.3000 your CPU will not degrade just don't run your CPU 24x7 on 1.4v it will degrade fast and at 1.5v it will degrade to death in a month. Here is the voltage curve i tested which also stabilizes the CPU core speed. 5.8 ghz = 1.450v (degrade at speed of light) 5.7 ghz = 1.415v (degrader) 5.6 ghz = 1.390v (mild degrader) 5.5 ghz = 1.355v (borderline safe) 5.4 ghz = 1.330v (almost safe) 5.3 ghz = 1.290v (nearly safe) 5.2 ghz = 1.260v ( safe) 5.1ghz = 1.230v (pretty much safe) 5.0 ghz = 1.200v (safe as usa economy)
Sorry if this is a stupid question but what is the performance trade off by applying this 'fix'? Should I expect more of a performance drop than I may get by applying Intel's microcode patch instead?
@@vincentsantucci2478you can oc in intel spec, just need to find the highest possible oc you can (and cool down) within the specs 320w power and 400 amps for 14ks and 13ks, and 253w and 307 amps for 14900k, 13900k
Right now I am using 14700k and just build my PC few days ago. I updated my BIOS up to 0x125 microcode update. Use INTEL baseline profile + XMP I So I monitor my CPU voltage and it shows around 1,3 - 1,48 on load. Do I Need to undervolt it? and If I want to do it, I just need to set it to Adaptive , and the offset into - 0,xxx ( where it still stable ) ? Is this correct ?
Great video bro, K sku´s since sandy bridge have always been "Unlocked and Unleashed" and target the enthusiast audience. Sadly latest generations users with no knowledge of DYI buys it and think plug and play, xmp on and good to go. Running an I9 with MCE on since Coffee lake and cheap boards with trash VRM´s. Not at least the RGB PSU extensions that cost more than the motherboard and PSU together. In a white dual chamber case with fans that cost more then their GPU and radiator that push and pull intake. It´s not the end users fault but it´s sad video like this doesn´t reach media in same way.
I have a i9 14900kS..I run my all clock at 59 E coresat 45 Run a adaptive voltage on Svid of 0.1 and runs smooth nice 50 c 1.330 on Voltage why would I want to under lock to 53..I did that before the new 0x129 came...the whole reason for this update was to stop voltages from spiking at 1.6 now 1.5 big difference
@@mehck-gk9yn no worries mate..the other point you mentioned was checking on line for the turbo clock speeds..I ended up just setty my i9 14900kS to 5.7 all cores at 1.240 v.it runs nice..I can even go as high as 6.0 with 1.350 but I will stay at 5.7
Hey I got a i9 13900kf have it for over a year now, never updated the bios, got a msi mag z790 tomahawk wifi ddr5, its oc to 5.2ghz all core with undervolt offset - 0.110 and its never pushing more than 1.275v and 200w, max temps in cinebench 86c with score 38k, dont have any stability issues never get blue screen, only time I did get a blue screen was when I pushed the undervolt to high like 0.150v other than that no issues, the question is do I have to do anything when there are clearly no issues and don't really see the point?
Hey thanks for this video. My question is if someone has already used your i9-14900k undervolting video would you still recommend doing this as well? Is this necessary if system is already stable? Thanks for the super useful content
If your CPUID revision is 0B0671, then it is the one of those chips that has issues and also Z690/790 also adds insult to the injury. I was short on budget so i had to get MSI MAG B760 Mortar motherboard for my 13900k & they don't have much of issues like that with them, the only downside is i can't do static voltage offset so what i did was P1/P2 220, CPU 5.1ghz, E-cores disabled as i only do gaming & AC/DC loadline is 20/80 with -0.05V brefore that i had manual CPU speed to 5200 and 125/253 W not 4096W as most people were running.
only time ive seen my 14900k crash and have issues was when i decided to "undervolt" by the help of your past videos. before i undervolted it was fine no issues temp wise nor crashing or anything. undervolted cpu gave me BSOD when rendering 4k in davinchi. it was very unstable and got rid of it. applied stock settings and 253w pl1,pl2. after that i had no issues with my 14900k never had any issues to begin with before i decided to undervolt, but i still updated bios for now and set 125w pl1,pl2 just in case. my question is do i have to apply this undervolt you showed in the video?even tho i never had any issues with my 14900k before? temps are fine voltages are fine staying below 1,4 ive tested everything: idle, aida64 stress, davinchi rendering, cinabench etc.
At the 2.21 mark your -0.01 input do not match what is on the video. Are you able to redo this so your vocal instructions match what is on the video screen?
@@brentkjernisted2215Yes I also want to know, do we undervolt after the micropatch? Because I followed this video even though I do not have it/my motherboard's beta bios
is this voltage spike issue present on the 14900F? I bought a prebuilt MSI desktop from Costco last month and for the life of me cant figure out how to properly undervolt it in the bios
What does change between dynamic Vcore vs static VCore? Sorry for the dumb question i'm just not into these things and i want to understand precisely what's the better choise to keep CPU alive and stable
Static keeps voltage set to whatever number you input into the BIOS at all times. Ex. You change cpu core voltage to 1.3. It will run at that voltage all the time. Dynamic will lower voltage when a workload is not present. It will only boost up to 1.3 when it detects a heavy workload likes games or benchmark tests.
@@auto9894 Thank you for response. Sounds like static option is for stability and dynamic for less power consuption/degradation right? Despite voltage is set to 1.3 as max limit, when i convert videos or running Cyberpunk/TLOU almost every P-Core reaches 1,48-49 Volts... Idk if this is ok
It is worth doing all of this for my i5-14600K ? I already updated to 0x129 but idk what to say. the only problem for me is after I updated my bios, when I exit my bios with or without making changes, my pc turn itself off and itself on after 1 second. It wasn't the case before. Do you know a fix for this ? also cpu lite load to mode 9 is best ?
I’m gonna try this along with the bios update that just came out. I haven’t even really turned my 13900k pc on in a while cuz I’m scared to. lol. Luckily I have a 12900k build that I have been using on a daily basis
what about i7 14700k at what voltage should it be and i also updated my asus z790 bios the latest beta patch it was running fine before so i have no instability issues but one thing i do is lock all the p cores to a little bit lower frequency same speed for all ofcourse but my question is at what volts should i set it too or how much of a negative offset should i put for the i7.
See I did that but now I’m having draw distance issues in games like Fortnite gta v and cyberpunk so I might try it downgrade my bios and see if it does anything
If mine was running fine with all these bios updates should I go to Intel stock settings or should I stay on what I was before all these system crashes started
That’s a tough call. I’m in the same boat. Maybe we just haven’t got to that point yet. That’s what makes me nervous. I’d try this to take some of that voltage off the chip.
@@shabazz717 I'm running it at the Intel suggestion on the strix z690e. Since that seems to be the standard. Not really into overclocking. But I don't want to pay for a I9 1300K and only have the performance of the I7. To me it's unfair and should have a partial refund or exchange when everything is actually fixed even 2 gens from now type thing
Personally I’d at least run it undervolted. If the temps are in check you can be fine. If it’s overheating/overvolting, it’s just a matter of time unfortunately😅
I followed your video. I’m running a new i9-14900k With the bios .129 with intel settings you cannot lock any cores. With the ASUS z790e only with the ASUS settings I am able to lock the cores. I’m under volting at -0.100 cinabench score is basically the same as intel settings I just notice intel was hitting 1.500+ but the ASUS bios settings are staying around 1.4 max.
I cant believe a 14900KS can run at 1.6V or even higher than 1.35V and the others can't. The reason a 14900KS hasnt as many problems as the others is because its newer. But again, the voltage isnt the issue per se, the issue is running at 100C all the time because of the high voltage.
I have a question, my 14600K is running at 5.6... mostly stock settings other than what I have overclocked. I undervolted the CPU and the highest voltage I see is 1.309 or so... am I missing something or do I have a killer 14600K... I am running 0x129
im also running a 14600k, in my case no OC, all stock, 0x129. Nice temps and voltages (max 80°C and 1.28V). should i apply the settings shown here? or im fine if im not going to OC?(i dont have a nicer cooler to handle that OC, im currently 100% fine and i dont want to screw it up). also i havent read nothing about 14600k failing, maybe its rare that this i5 fails?
not working for me, i test it on 2 13900k including one brand new, I still see crashes all the time on both. not in games but in simulations 99% of times
Hlo bro i have a i9 12900k and a msi z790 ace max before bios update when i open intel extreme and run cpu stress test every thing was fine but the the i update my bios to new version my cpu started power limit throttling on previous bios my pl1 and pl2 was at 288w but when i updated it automatically changed from 288w to 241w both which i thinks is causing power limit throttling but if it is intel default then why its power limit throttling on 241w on pl1 and pl2 plz give any solution or is its or to set pl1 and pl2 288w
In my case I have an i7 13700k and I have an undervoll at 200w of maximum consumption, the temperatures do not go above 80 degrees at 100% with a loss of 500 points in cinebench r23, my maximum registered voltage is 1.37v at 5.4ghz, no I have updated the bios, my version is one from December 2023 of gigabyte aorus elite ax, am I in a safe range at that voltage? I don't see the need to update to the new bios?
I presume this should work flawlessly even on a fresh new Intel cpu (i would like to purchase an i5 13600k) and prevent from the start the oxidation problem or that problem Is gonna pop up anyway? Maybe i should switch to i7 12700k,what do you think?
The settings are the same for every motherboard! If you go in my CPU Undervolting playlist, I do show a few different motherboards so you can cross reference the names of the settings though!
@@ImWateringPSUs I have P core ratio and E core ratio, both apply the same rule p-core to 46 and e-core to 33 ?. Also, I didn't have any stability issues so far.
I posted this fix in April its on my channel and everyone has had no problems after the changes this 13900k topic is old news people don't know what they are doing or talking about
I'm not sure blaming AMD is the solution here. Both Intel have been playing the game of one upmanship for years, and it seems the limits of silicon has finally caught them.
That last part about the Ryzen 3600. Could you maybe go into that a bit more...? As for it being AMD's 'fault'... eh... I dunno... I look at this from the angle of "They put the work into power efficiency with their APU's back in the day, and now they have the advantage of being able to leverage that power efficiency now today." So, if it's AMD's fault, it's because they did things correctly; though not without difficulty in business side of things back in the day. Intel's only having issues because they never got the efficiency problems handled first before pumping more power in the chip. And since they didn't, now they are having to deal with the degradation that comes from the excess heat of those voltages. But then again, you mentioned the R5 3600, so I am curious as to how that relates to all of this. I had one, an XT version. It worked fine, but a capacitor blew its electrolyte onto the board. A shame, but the CPU should still work fine. The Cap was for the PCIE slot, not the CPU. But without a board to use it with right now, I cannot confirm for sure if the CPU still works. Or the M.2 SSD that got most of that juice on it. So I am curious if maybe there is something to what you are saying about that CPU. Because other than that whole fiasco... it ran just fine for what it was, being a 6 core CPU.
The settings are the same for every motherboard! If you go in my CPU Undervolting playlist, I do show a few different motherboards so you can cross reference the names of the settings though!
There is a way beter and more easy way to safe your intel cpu. Just set the max voltage at a set limit. My I7-14700KF is not allowed to run over 1.275 volts. My performance did not realy drop and i am using way less power. Also the undervolt of 0.01volt is really nothing. A lot of cpu's can do 0.05 up to 0.1volt minus. My cpu does not exceed 182 watts like this with ofset minus 0.06volt and max vcore at 1.275 volt. The voltage is killing the cpu. Not the higer clocks...
I'm running the i5 13600k as well, no issues here so far...I might try this since people have stated that when the crashes start your CPU is probably toasted, so better play it safe I guess.
I have a 13900k and since I bought it and saw that it reached 100 degrees I decided to investigate and undervolt it, I think thanks to that I haven't had any problems since then. But now i wanted to ask if the Core VIDs at 1.4 - 1.45 most of the time, is okay?
@@ImWateringPSUs The point I’m making is with your prediction I will be over vaulting a perfectly good CPU degrading it faster for no reason ??? Why isn’t this making sense to me? This new bios is supposed to be for people who don’t want to tweak or under vote anything or mess with the bios point blank
I have the same question... Just build my PC (5 months ago) i5 13600k with no issues so far, I wonder if the update on the bios will F everything up to compensate for the faulty ones.
I found the sweet spot on my 13900K, with unlimited power setting, manual cap at 300W, 53 as multiplyer, 6000 Mhz for memory and 1.225V. Went from 40300 in R23 multi, to 39300 @ 85 degrees on 360 AIO. That is exactly 2.5 percent. Hope it sticks, because I have been very pleased with this processor and its stability as opposed to my last AMD platform which was a nightmare of instability. Thanks!
I have an i9 14900k. I was getting a memory error when trying to load the new game Wukong. I updated the bios of my motherboard to the latest beta one with the 0x129 microcode fix. The game now loads without any problem but the CPU temp is very high. Can I apply your suggested settings after I installed this latest beta bios with the supposed fix 0x129?
@@ImWateringPSUs The thing is that the Aorus Gigabyte mobo I have, has completely different settings than the ones you show and I cannot figure out how to make these changes. 😭
Can you make a video using Intel’s XTU? Love to share your video, but most people are not comfortable with messing around with the bios. Intel’s XTU provides the same interface to the user no matter the motherboard manufacturer.
its simple- dont buy intel. my i5 14600kf burned off after just 2 days and i did use an ai cooler....instant hit 100 degrees in cinebench..i also used they new bios before install... i will never ever buy an intel processor again.
The settings are the same for every motherboard! If you go in my CPU Undervolting playlist, I do show a few different motherboards so you can cross reference the names of the settings though!
Why not just set your i9-14900k to a max core ratio of 57 @1.36v, sync all cores set the LLC to 6 to compensate for vdrop and run xmp 1 and tighten the ram timings. The difference will be 300mhz less than the 6ghz but also under 1.415v on transient spikes and average 1.36v. The framerate difference is negligible in this situation where as 52 ratio you might as well buy a 12900k and run 52 and 42 on the e cores at 1.35v and call it a day?
Weeell there’s a lot of IPC difference between a 12900K at 5.2Ghz and a 14900K at the same speed. Running as you say would be good, but you do need a VERY good cooling setup. And I mean very. And you’re gonna run it a bit higher in voltage and have it degrade faster over time
If you are chaning the p-core ratio, the cpu cooler tuning automatically changes to unlimited mode, means that you are cooking the cpu. Do not do this.
Well, if you run your CPU with the wrong settings for years then yes the damage is gonna be permanent. If you set it right before it’s too late, you’ll avoid the damage and the CPU will indeed be fixed
If it's still not working it means your CPU has already been damaged quite a bit, but no worries there is still one last thing to do: other than dropping the CPU ratio set the CPU core voltage to a static 1.3 or 1.325 or even 1.35. You may have to match the IMC voltage to it. That's gonna work even on the WORST CPUs and it's the static option I mention in the video
Thanks for the shoutout bro! if a CPU is degrading at stock voltages then something is SERIOUSLY wrong with those voltages. Need to make sure that CPU is not going anywhere NEAR 1.5v....
Good to see you here "Yes Man" 😂 what is safe voltage limit for 13/14th gen that doesn't shorten the life span of CPU specifically mention i7 14700K safe voltage limit. Mine spikes upto1.4V. During cinebench R23 it stays below 1.3v Do I need to worry about CPU longevity. I under clocked to 5.1Ghz and undervolt offset applied -0.050
I can’t believe you’ve seen my video! A shout out was the minimum, your vid on the topic was amazing. And Tech YES City is the best tech channel out there:) Very, VERY true about the 1.5V. Nobody even in the deepest sides of the overclocking community has ever recommended dailying a CPU at 1.5 lol
@@ImWateringPSUs 1.5V is extreme side. What about if my CPU runs on 1.3-1.35 and some random spikes up to 1.4V would that be ok for longevity? But right now I've set the voltage offset to -0.050V and under clocked my i7 14700K to 5.2Ghz/4.0Ghz for both P/E cores. Now under load it stays below 1.2V and some spikes around 1.23V. By the way, CPU lite load was set to "Mode 9" by default.
@@ImWateringPSUs what is adaptive + offset mode?
@techyescity my cousin core was 1.232, +5 volt was 1.6 volts, my cousin avg was 75 °Celcius and the max was 88°C. Is max core temps the same. They were 89°C. Thanks techyescity.My processor is a 13900k. Raptor Lake. Will these specs an temps and volts be okay. Or should I go into my Bios and make your adjustments? Can I find my CPU ratio without going into my Bios by using Hwinfo64 or any other program. Where do I look? I'm wateringPSU recommends a setting on 52 in his video "I found the actual fix" Thanks again.
I dropped to 5.3 months ago with a -125mv undervolt and I can attest this has been running great!👍🏼
Nice work my man! :) Thx a lot for taking the time to comment
@@ImWateringPSUs credit to you is definitely deserved, I undervolted via your guides and the pc has been running perfectly regardless of Intel’s issues.
Have you tested Intel XTU in stress test using AVX2 instructions. I will definitely not pass the test try it do let us know. Even my i7 14700k failed if underclocked to 5.3Ghz and undervolted -0.050V. How could your i9 be stable under -0.125V I'm curious...
@@gameotic1 so Im not the type that likes those hardcore stress tests. But I ran cinebench 24 I don’t remember what the score was off the top of my head but no bsod or crashes. I’ll tell you this. I had it downclocked to 5.3 and undervolted -135mv and it (on a daily basis) was great until I did a routine full defender virus scan and it blue screened on me haha. I backed off to -.125 and have never had an issue since. Games play great never goes above 75° hardly. Under load. Under idle 38-42° (air cooler) with this config. I only use bios to configure ratios and voltage. Cache is matched on -.125 as well as the ecores. Stripped stock win11 install msi board
@@gameotic1 I just ran my 14700K in XTU stress AVX2 @5.4 all p-core, -0.105v all core voltage offset, 253w short and long boost and it passed. Temps 95c on one core 93c on another all 6 others peeked 91-87c this was on a custom 240mm loop also disabled 4 of the E-cores more than 8 E- cores in everyday is kind of useless. I'm slowly edging the volts down to find the breaking point. Either you have some settings screwed in BIOS or that chip is .1%/degraded.
Thank you. Works great on my i5 14600k. Now I get higher points in Cinebench R23, 24090pts, 400points more @5,1Ghz than stock settings.
Temps went from low 90 using 360 Aio, to mid 70 in Cinebench r23. In games it gets up to 60, Idle at 35. It was stable before and its stable now. Thanks
Can i know the settings you used, im on 14600kf still using stock, i only updated the bios, am not really good on tweaking settings.
@@EY-2088 well I am so caled noob as well. I just followed those simple steps in this video, but where he gets to the point to set multiplier, I have used 51. 53 is stock setting on 14600k. Use 51 on all P cores. Leave all E cores at default. Everything else is as described in this video. Hope you get this.
Bro you droped this 👑
Ahahaha my man :))
Great vid keen to see if this works, thanks for all your hard work!
No problem, I like doing these kinds of tests and it makes me happy if it's helpful! :)
Thanks for the guide, my i9-14900k on an MSI z790 Tomahawk Max Wifi runs stable!
Just wanted to say I used your last video to under volt my 13900k to keep temps down with the setting you suggested. So far I have had no issues with my CPU and I use it often and at high loads. I think the under volt might be the only reason it is still doing fine. Thanks again!
I appreciate a lot you taking the time to write this🙇♂️
I am going to try this with my 14700K. This CPU has been the most unreliable and unstable chip I have used in the last 20 years. It is a lucky dip if it is going to crash in any game I own. This will be the last Intel CPU I will buy for the foreseeable future. I am looking foward to changing to AMD Ryzen when this Intel crap finally burns itself out.
I've never had a problem with my 13900kf unlimited power. Just fix the core's to all core 5.7p /45e or more set the vcore to lowest stable voltage. For me it was around 1.27v. I've done more testing than the average joe my memory is running 8000mt and my imc isn't matched to vcore. My imc voltage is higher so thats not the case with my setup.
The reason why my Intel processor was crashing was because I was running 4 dimms of memory. As soon as I went to 2 dimms, I never had a crash again. I have a 13600kf, and the memory was Corsair Dominator 6600 mhz.
i have problems to find this options on my Gygabite z790 mobo, can you tell me which are these options are on the gygabite bios? thank you so much!!!!
I spent around 1000$ to upgrade my psu and motherboard!(useless)
This finally make it work!
I have a i9 13900k
Thanks!!!!
Great video. Please make more MSI motherboard specific tweaking videos. Every single content creator is making videos with ASUS ROG. We need more MSI specific videos.
I read this on another UA-cam video.
Here is the thing for all 13900k users (i don''t have 14900k but it should be the same.) 13900k set your PL1 253 and PL2 275W IccMax 307A (you can also set upt 330A) and set your CPU clock to 5.2ghz, E-core 4.1ghz or disable them if you are doing only gaming, e-core does nothing for gamers, cpu vcore offset 1.270v with -0.010 (5.2ghz needs at least 1.255v to run). IA CEP upto your disable or enable.
Thumb of rule here is don't let your CPU VCORE go above 1.350v. If you run your CPU @ volt under 1.3000 your CPU will not degrade just don't run your CPU 24x7 on 1.4v it will degrade fast and at 1.5v it will degrade to death in a month.
Here is the voltage curve i tested which also stabilizes the CPU core speed.
5.8 ghz = 1.450v (degrade at speed of light)
5.7 ghz = 1.415v (degrader)
5.6 ghz = 1.390v (mild degrader)
5.5 ghz = 1.355v (borderline safe)
5.4 ghz = 1.330v (almost safe)
5.3 ghz = 1.290v (nearly safe)
5.2 ghz = 1.260v ( safe)
5.1ghz = 1.230v (pretty much safe)
5.0 ghz = 1.200v (safe as usa economy)
The fix is to set your loadline high and AC DC to the same and make sure your cpu doesn't go above 1.4v
Sorry if this is a stupid question but what is the performance trade off by applying this 'fix'? Should I expect more of a performance drop than I may get by applying Intel's microcode patch instead?
He said it's a 2 % drop
Yup! Worst case we’re talking around a 5% loss :)
Thanks for the replies. And you suggest leaving everything else at Intel limits, no OC?
@@vincentsantucci2478you can oc in intel spec, just need to find the highest possible oc you can (and cool down) within the specs
320w power and 400 amps for 14ks and 13ks, and 253w and 307 amps for 14900k, 13900k
Right now I am using 14700k and just build my PC few days ago.
I updated my BIOS up to 0x125 microcode update.
Use INTEL baseline profile + XMP I
So I monitor my CPU voltage and it shows around 1,3 - 1,48 on load.
Do I Need to undervolt it?
and If I want to do it, I just need to set it to Adaptive , and the offset into - 0,xxx ( where it still stable ) ?
Is this correct ?
Great video bro, K sku´s since sandy bridge have always been "Unlocked and Unleashed" and target the enthusiast audience. Sadly latest generations users with no knowledge of DYI buys it and think plug and play, xmp on and good to go.
Running an I9 with MCE on since Coffee lake and cheap boards with trash VRM´s. Not at least the RGB PSU extensions that cost more than the motherboard and PSU together. In a white dual chamber case with fans that cost more then their GPU and radiator that push and pull intake.
It´s not the end users fault but it´s sad video like this doesn´t reach media in same way.
I have a i9 14900kS..I run my all clock at 59 E coresat 45 Run a adaptive voltage on Svid of 0.1 and runs smooth nice 50 c 1.330 on Voltage why would I want to under lock to 53..I did that before the new 0x129 came...the whole reason for this update was to stop voltages from spiking at 1.6 now 1.5 big difference
locking p-cores like you did is the correct fix dw about it
@@mehck-gk9yn no worries mate..the other point you mentioned was checking on line for the turbo clock speeds..I ended up just setty my i9 14900kS to 5.7 all cores at 1.240 v.it runs nice..I can even go as high as 6.0 with 1.350 but I will stay at 5.7
@@Simmymind360 You're all set dawgie
Hey I got a i9 13900kf have it for over a year now, never updated the bios, got a msi mag z790 tomahawk wifi ddr5, its oc to 5.2ghz all core with undervolt offset - 0.110 and its never pushing more than 1.275v and 200w, max temps in cinebench 86c with score 38k, dont have any stability issues never get blue screen, only time I did get a blue screen was when I pushed the undervolt to high like 0.150v other than that no issues, the question is do I have to do anything when there are clearly no issues and don't really see the point?
Thx for video. I wait from you some benchmark results if you kind to prove this content!
Hey thanks for this video. My question is if someone has already used your i9-14900k undervolting video would you still recommend doing this as well? Is this necessary if system is already stable? Thanks for the super useful content
Do you have any solution for stuttering in games? using an i7 13700, even after updating microcode 0x129
I have 13700k with Asus mobo, went from BIOS 1501 (with no issues) to BIOS 2503 , i regret it every day since. Still hope for a solution.
I have a 14900KS that I RMA’d due to degradation. Many people have. It is misleading to say KS sku cpus don’t have the problem.
I should have specified that I find that to be the case on latest i9 14900KS, meaning the ones you can buy right now
same CPU for me is unstable also
If your CPUID revision is 0B0671, then it is the one of those chips that has issues and also Z690/790 also adds insult to the injury. I was short on budget so i had to get MSI MAG B760 Mortar motherboard for my 13900k & they don't have much of issues like that with them, the only downside is i can't do static voltage offset so what i did was P1/P2 220, CPU 5.1ghz, E-cores disabled as i only do gaming & AC/DC loadline is 20/80 with -0.05V brefore that i had manual CPU speed to 5200 and 125/253 W not 4096W as most people were running.
only time ive seen my 14900k crash and have issues was when i decided to "undervolt" by the help of your past videos. before i undervolted it was fine no issues temp wise nor crashing or anything.
undervolted cpu gave me BSOD when rendering 4k in davinchi. it was very unstable and got rid of it. applied stock settings and 253w pl1,pl2.
after that i had no issues with my 14900k never had any issues to begin with before i decided to undervolt, but i still updated bios for now and set 125w pl1,pl2 just in case.
my question is do i have to apply this undervolt you showed in the video?even tho i never had any issues with my 14900k before? temps are fine voltages are fine staying below 1,4 ive tested everything: idle, aida64 stress, davinchi rendering, cinabench etc.
At the 2.21 mark your -0.01 input do not match what is on the video. Are you able to redo this so your vocal instructions match what is on the video screen?
Do we initially apply the 0x129 patch for our motherboards and once it has rebooted, make these changes to the BIOS settings?
@@brentkjernisted2215Yes I also want to know, do we undervolt after the micropatch? Because I followed this video even though I do not have it/my motherboard's beta bios
Yes I just got a brand new CPU from Intel and the temps are much better but I'm hesitant. I do wish to undervolt it I just have not had the time.
It’s very easy, I have detailed tutorials on the channel :)
Are you saying the 14900ks is not suffering from the voltage issue? i've not seen any videos with people testing that chip, nor the 12900k.
is this voltage spike issue present on the 14900F? I bought a prebuilt MSI desktop from Costco last month and for the life of me cant figure out how to properly undervolt it in the bios
What does change between dynamic Vcore vs static VCore? Sorry for the dumb question i'm just not into these things and i want to understand precisely what's the better choise to keep CPU alive and stable
Static keeps voltage set to whatever number you input into the BIOS at all times. Ex. You change cpu core voltage to 1.3. It will run at that voltage all the time. Dynamic will lower voltage when a workload is not present. It will only boost up to 1.3 when it detects a heavy workload likes games or benchmark tests.
@@auto9894 Thank you for response. Sounds like static option is for stability and dynamic for less power consuption/degradation right?
Despite voltage is set to 1.3 as max limit, when i convert videos or running Cyberpunk/TLOU almost every P-Core reaches 1,48-49 Volts... Idk if this is ok
@@Comandante-Shepard Look into load line calibration and undervolting.
It is worth doing all of this for my i5-14600K ? I already updated to 0x129 but idk what to say. the only problem for me is after I updated my bios, when I exit my bios with or without making changes, my pc turn itself off and itself on after 1 second. It wasn't the case before. Do you know a fix for this ? also cpu lite load to mode 9 is best ?
I’m gonna try this along with the bios update that just came out. I haven’t even really turned my 13900k pc on in a while cuz I’m scared to. lol. Luckily I have a 12900k build that I have been using on a daily basis
That's actually good because the previous voltage settings were damaging a lot of CPUs in real time. Now it should be sorted out :)
what about i7 14700k at what voltage should it be and i also updated my asus z790 bios the latest beta patch it was running fine before so i have no instability issues but one thing i do is lock all the p cores to a little bit lower frequency same speed for all ofcourse but my question is at what volts should i set it too or how much of a negative offset should i put for the i7.
See I did that but now I’m having draw distance issues in games like Fortnite gta v and cyberpunk so I might try it downgrade my bios and see if it does anything
If mine was running fine with all these bios updates should I go to Intel stock settings or should I stay on what I was before all these system crashes started
That’s a tough call. I’m in the same boat. Maybe we just haven’t got to that point yet. That’s what makes me nervous. I’d try this to take some of that voltage off the chip.
@@shabazz717 I'm running it at the Intel suggestion on the strix z690e. Since that seems to be the standard. Not really into overclocking. But I don't want to pay for a I9 1300K and only have the performance of the I7. To me it's unfair and should have a partial refund or exchange when everything is actually fixed even 2 gens from now type thing
Personally I’d at least run it undervolted. If the temps are in check you can be fine. If it’s overheating/overvolting, it’s just a matter of time unfortunately😅
I followed your video. I’m running a new i9-14900k
With the bios .129 with intel settings you cannot lock any cores. With the ASUS z790e only with the ASUS settings I am able to lock the cores.
I’m under volting at -0.100 cinabench score is basically the same as intel settings I just notice intel was hitting 1.500+ but the ASUS bios settings are staying around 1.4 max.
So what are the settings for the 14900KS then?
I'm running 5.8GHz allcore on Intel defaults (Performance) with a 50mV undervolt.
I cant believe a 14900KS can run at 1.6V or even higher than 1.35V and the others can't. The reason a 14900KS hasnt as many problems as the others is because its newer. But again, the voltage isnt the issue per se, the issue is running at 100C all the time because of the high voltage.
So I am running four sticks of RAM and I cannot get it to run any faster than 5,400. Do you think I should clock that memory lower?
5400 if it’s 100% stable is gonna be fine. If you start getting crashes definitely try 5200 though
Is i5-13600k safe?
I have a question, my 14600K is running at 5.6... mostly stock settings other than what I have overclocked. I undervolted the CPU and the highest voltage I see is 1.309 or so... am I missing something or do I have a killer 14600K... I am running 0x129
im also running a 14600k, in my case no OC, all stock, 0x129. Nice temps and voltages (max 80°C and 1.28V). should i apply the settings shown here? or im fine if im not going to OC?(i dont have a nicer cooler to handle that OC, im currently 100% fine and i dont want to screw it up). also i havent read nothing about 14600k failing, maybe its rare that this i5 fails?
Can I do this with a B760 board or just stay on intel default settings?
not working for me, i test it on 2 13900k including one brand new, I still see crashes all the time on both. not in games but in simulations 99% of times
Sorry buddy but the 14900KS does have a problem I had one and had to return it
Ah! Lisan - Al - Gaib of techtubers has finally arrived with an actual FIX! THANK YOU! My 13900K is very happy!
Ahahaha you really made me smile! I quite liked Dune :) Thanks a lot for the support!
Hlo bro i have a i9 12900k and a msi z790 ace max before bios update when i open intel extreme and run cpu stress test every thing was fine but the the i update my bios to new version my cpu started power limit throttling on previous bios my pl1 and pl2 was at 288w but when i updated it automatically changed from 288w to 241w both which i thinks is causing power limit throttling but if it is intel default then why its power limit throttling on 241w on pl1 and pl2 plz give any solution or is its or to set pl1 and pl2 288w
In my case I have an i7 13700k and I have an undervoll at 200w of maximum consumption, the temperatures do not go above 80 degrees at 100% with a loss of 500 points in cinebench r23, my maximum registered voltage is 1.37v at 5.4ghz, no I have updated the bios, my version is one from December 2023 of gigabyte aorus elite ax, am I in a safe range at that voltage? I don't see the need to update to the new bios?
You set it right! And yes, I wouldn’t bother updating the BIOS. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it :)
@@ImWateringPSUs thanks my friend
I presume this should work flawlessly even on a fresh new Intel cpu (i would like to purchase an i5 13600k) and prevent from the start the oxidation problem or that problem Is gonna pop up anyway? Maybe i should switch to i7 12700k,what do you think?
Absolutely yes it's gonna work a new CPU: even better it's gonna prevent the CPU from possibly damaging. I say definitely get the 13600k!
@@ImWateringPSUs thank you for the reply ♥️
Any loss in gaming performance?
I have updated the latest Bios for 14700k Msi Z790 Pro Wifi today. Should i also under volt ?
Personally I do recommend it, yes
@@ImWateringPSUs By the way thanks for the 14700k video.
Safe Ratio for 14900k 5,4ghz and 13600kf 4,9 GHz?
I seen a video with a Creator showing spikes of up to 1.6 v on just starting up Windows and that's with 129 update scary!!
Can't seem to see the section in my BIOS for CPU ratio. Does anyone know where I can find it, please? My MB is An ASUS Maximus Z690 Hero.
Wat is ned to change on Gigabyte boards? I have an Aorus Z790 Elite AX Board with i9 13900K
The settings are the same for every motherboard! If you go in my CPU Undervolting playlist, I do show a few different motherboards so you can cross reference the names of the settings though!
I have 13500 undervolt to -100 mV, is that gonna be enough or should i also set the other thing to 46, given my core TB 4.8 GHz
Definitely drop down the core ratio to 46 to be safe!
@@ImWateringPSUs I have P core ratio and E core ratio, both apply the same rule p-core to 46 and e-core to 33 ?. Also, I didn't have any stability issues so far.
Will spikes to 1.4v degrade the cpu? Never excedes 1.4v.. (Using 14700k)
A spike at 1.4 under light loads is sustainable :)
I posted this fix in April its on my channel and everyone has had no problems after the changes this 13900k topic is old news people don't know what they are doing or talking about
I'm not sure blaming AMD is the solution here. Both Intel have been playing the game of one upmanship for years, and it seems the limits of silicon has finally caught them.
That’s very true tech wise, I was criticizing a bit the marking side of pushing the “achievable” clocks so high just to appear better on paper
i got few month ago myself system with 14700kf i7 and i dont think it really got hit with the problem, luckily for now
Not all CPUs have the problem, so you're fine indeed :)
That last part about the Ryzen 3600. Could you maybe go into that a bit more...?
As for it being AMD's 'fault'... eh... I dunno... I look at this from the angle of "They put the work into power efficiency with their APU's back in the day, and now they have the advantage of being able to leverage that power efficiency now today."
So, if it's AMD's fault, it's because they did things correctly; though not without difficulty in business side of things back in the day.
Intel's only having issues because they never got the efficiency problems handled first before pumping more power in the chip. And since they didn't, now they are having to deal with the degradation that comes from the excess heat of those voltages.
But then again, you mentioned the R5 3600, so I am curious as to how that relates to all of this. I had one, an XT version. It worked fine, but a capacitor blew its electrolyte onto the board. A shame, but the CPU should still work fine. The Cap was for the PCIE slot, not the CPU. But without a board to use it with right now, I cannot confirm for sure if the CPU still works. Or the M.2 SSD that got most of that juice on it.
So I am curious if maybe there is something to what you are saying about that CPU. Because other than that whole fiasco... it ran just fine for what it was, being a 6 core CPU.
How do I update to this new 129?
can you share this for Gigabyte motherboard please
The settings are the same for every motherboard! If you go in my CPU Undervolting playlist, I do show a few different motherboards so you can cross reference the names of the settings though!
I can’t find cpu ratio in the asus tuf z790 plus mobo
can i do this in intel xtu
There is a way beter and more easy way to safe your intel cpu. Just set the max voltage at a set limit. My I7-14700KF is not allowed to run over 1.275 volts. My performance did not realy drop and i am using way less power. Also the undervolt of 0.01volt is really nothing. A lot of cpu's can do 0.05 up to 0.1volt minus.
My cpu does not exceed 182 watts like this with ofset minus 0.06volt and max vcore at 1.275 volt. The voltage is killing the cpu. Not the higer clocks...
I turn off all the turbo mode , run fine 🎉
That’s a drastic but definitely working way😂
Msi just release new bios for both 0x.. have i5 14600k do i need make this tuto ? Thanks
I would recommend doing it, personally!
@@ImWateringPSUs so i Can update BIOS and make New undervolt with your recommandations in this video ?
1470kf above 5.0 is overheating .. kepp it on 5..0 and u dont go above 75c
please what about i5 13600k, do I need to do this ?
I would recommend it, yes, but I find i5 CPUs are generally less affected overall
I'm running the i5 13600k as well, no issues here so far...I might try this since people have stated that when the crashes start your CPU is probably toasted, so better play it safe I guess.
I think it's better to just lock the p-cores
Well it’s basically what we’re doing, but trying to maintain performance
@@ImWateringPSUs no that's not what you're doing at all and you're hindering performance.
Lenovo Legion motherboard can't find similar settings :(
Eill this work on a non-K i7 13th gen?
Yup! Gonna work on every 13th and 14th gen CPU :)
Thank You for the video
I have a 13900k and since I bought it and saw that it reached 100 degrees I decided to investigate and undervolt it, I think thanks to that I haven't had any problems since then. But now i wanted to ask if the Core VIDs at 1.4 - 1.45 most of the time, is okay?
VID can be okay, vCore at 1.4 no. If it’s running undervolted it’s probably out of danger tho :)
You say intel is over volt with new bios 0129 so degraded cpus are able to run. What about people with new cpus ?? What’s happening here
They’re gonna run with the same profile as the degraded CPU would. That’s why they’re releasing that mCode as a beta BIOS!
@@ImWateringPSUs The point I’m making is with your prediction I will be over vaulting a perfectly good CPU degrading it faster for no reason ??? Why isn’t this making sense to me?
This new bios is supposed to be for people who don’t want to tweak or under vote anything or mess with the bios point blank
I have the same question... Just build my PC (5 months ago) i5 13600k with no issues so far, I wonder if the update on the bios will F everything up to compensate for the faulty ones.
@ImWateringPSUs .I challenge you to undervolt lenovo loq i5 -12450hx and make it stable😂.With all types of testing without motherboard failing.
😂😂😂 I’ll do it! Just need to get one :)
I found the sweet spot on my 13900K, with unlimited power setting, manual cap at 300W, 53 as multiplyer, 6000 Mhz for memory and 1.225V. Went from 40300 in R23 multi, to 39300 @ 85 degrees on 360 AIO. That is exactly 2.5 percent. Hope it sticks, because I have been very pleased with this processor and its stability as opposed to my last AMD platform which was a nightmare of instability. Thanks!
do these settings apply to bios with the new 0x129 microcode? if so do we disable the new intel defaults to do this?
Absolutely yes they do! You can leave the new intel defaults on and I would recommend you do it
this is not a real fix, you're just underclocking the faulty CPU so it *hopefully* stays alive longer 🤣 RMA if you're experiencing stability issues!
The real fix is on my channel people don't know what they are doing and u don't need to update any bios its bs
This has been known since last year mate..
I have an i9 14900k. I was getting a memory error when trying to load the new game Wukong. I updated the bios of my motherboard to the latest beta one with the 0x129 microcode fix. The game now loads without any problem but the CPU temp is very high. Can I apply your suggested settings after I installed this latest beta bios with the supposed fix 0x129?
Absolutely yes, that’s exactly the idea :)
@@ImWateringPSUs The thing is that the Aorus Gigabyte mobo I have, has completely different settings than the ones you show and I cannot figure out how to make these changes. 😭
The cpu temps are high well put the old bios version back and make the changes manually like I showed people and temps will be low
everyone here is messing up big time I settled this issue in April
@@fortnite360HZ Please let me know where did you give the instructions.🙏
no DDR4 settings ?
It’s the same for DDR4, except you’re gonna be using the standard XMP voltage for the DRAM Voltage. Thanks a lot for asking the question!
why are you using old bios version?
Danke
Bitte schon!
You are telling us that we cant run a 14900k at advertised speeds but a 14900KS can run and wont degrade at 1.6V ?? Sorry, but it makes 0 sense.
Its not working, i have random 100 calsius spikes
Well, it’s working in terms of crashes but you still need a decent cooler to run a K series i7 or i9😅
Can you make a video using Intel’s XTU? Love to share your video, but most people are not comfortable with messing around with the bios.
Intel’s XTU provides the same interface to the user no matter the motherboard manufacturer.
impostato 13900kf a 53 + svid auto e bios 2301 (0x123 micro)
its simple- dont buy intel. my i5 14600kf burned off after just 2 days and i did use an ai cooler....instant hit 100 degrees in cinebench..i also used they new bios before install... i will never ever buy an intel processor again.
it does not work
If y really have no Balls!! Run IA cores at 1400
😂😂😂
Thx but how about this?
+Offset or -Offset?
ua-cam.com/video/afN6SaT21cQ/v-deo.html
Dobrý deň, urobte video aj o nastaveniach Asus Z790
The settings are the same for every motherboard! If you go in my CPU Undervolting playlist, I do show a few different motherboards so you can cross reference the names of the settings though!
Why not just set your i9-14900k to a max core ratio of 57 @1.36v, sync all cores set the LLC to 6 to compensate for vdrop and run xmp 1 and tighten the ram timings. The difference will be 300mhz less than the 6ghz but also under 1.415v on transient spikes and average 1.36v. The framerate difference is negligible in this situation where as 52 ratio you might as well buy a 12900k and run 52 and 42 on the e cores at 1.35v and call it a day?
Weeell there’s a lot of IPC difference between a 12900K at 5.2Ghz and a 14900K at the same speed. Running as you say would be good, but you do need a VERY good cooling setup. And I mean very. And you’re gonna run it a bit higher in voltage and have it degrade faster over time
This. Lock p-cores and correctly fix the issue. Gucci bro
@@ImWateringPSUshardware unboxed released a video some time ago stating intels 13th and 14th gen has 0 IPC gains comparing to the 12900K
there is no fix for this mess 💩💩💩💩
Thankfully we can kind of get around it😅
If you are chaning the p-core ratio, the cpu cooler tuning automatically changes to unlimited mode, means that you are cooking the cpu. Do not do this.
Can i buy 14700k ?
Absolutely! If set right they run well :)
Never buy that shit man
Solution is: stop playing games do something productive😂
UA-camr clamming they fixed it lol
Funny thing the micro code was able to download months ago on intel servers , 😮
Have you watched the vid😭
People just jump to conclusions after watching the first 2 seconds.
Damage is permanent, cant be fixed 😅
Well, if you run your CPU with the wrong settings for years then yes the damage is gonna be permanent. If you set it right before it’s too late, you’ll avoid the damage and the CPU will indeed be fixed
@@ImWateringPSUs Nobody knew the right settings until recently. Dont act like this was knwon since release.
not working :(
If it's still not working it means your CPU has already been damaged quite a bit, but no worries there is still one last thing to do: other than dropping the CPU ratio set the CPU core voltage to a static 1.3 or 1.325 or even 1.35. You may have to match the IMC voltage to it. That's gonna work even on the WORST CPUs and it's the static option I mention in the video
@@ImWateringPSUs ı have tried every way
:( my youtube died cause of this problem
@@ImWateringPSUs sir ı using 14700k can u give me diffrent advice
@@MORFOSAGERMA it. You got like 3 years warranty
@@MORFOSAGE i have the same cpu and it doesnt work for me too