Thank you! Instead of talking how people who got a 13-14th gen processor are idiots, you are actually helping them. This is how a Tech channel should function, not have any bias remarks and bs against people who use products they chose to buy. I myself have zero issues with my 13900k but this is a good video. As for the comments, people should just ignore them as always.
Indeed, it's been annoying to see people saying the solution to all of this is to "buy AMD"; most people who are affected by this issue here are running relatively-new PCs or PC builds (my own PC is only around a year old or so), and it just wouldn't make much practical sense to switch over to AMD since it would also involve changing to a new motherboard, and potentially new RAM and other associated parts as well. Yes, Intel screwed up, but this is not the fault of us Intel users. Rather than ridiculing us, people should be trying to help us find a practical, workable solution. This whole "buy AMD" solution is not a real solution for us, at least for now - people will want to use their PCs for at least 3-5 years before upgrading, and it makes little sense to toss out an otherwise-nearly new PC just because of this whole debacle.
They are doing it for clicks and views, it's sad because for them, if every customer ended up with an unusable CPU which didn't get RMA'd by Intel, they would be happy, because they get the most views reporting on the carnage..... happy i9 14900k owner here, I set limits and kept voltages in check and have never had any issues with better than stock performance.. they don't want to report on that.
If you been in the industry long enough, you would remember the games AMD played from 1995-2015. 5 years is not enough of a benchmark for me to trust them.
There is something so many of these builders, and recommendations do not consider. Some of us CANNOT bring our chips back to retailer, as that would leave us without a running system. Waiting 6-8 lifetimes for an RMA to be rejected doesn't solve my computer issues when I have a WFH shift tonight. If the suggestion is RMA, then stow it and just suggest we buy AMD.
Hey. I've had the same issue as you do. After reaching Intel's support, they denied me the "cross-shipping" option which is basically "Send me the new CPU and i'll send you the faulty one after". After explaning why it was important for me to have it, i asked the same question 3 times and eventually they escalated the ticket to some higher resp. which granted me the cross-shipping. You should try and be as annoying as you can, eventually they will accept.
I did the same test with my 13600k and ended up with around 1.4v and around 90'C in HWinfo. What fixed it was going into the 'SVID Behaviour' settings and selecting 'Best Case Scenario'. Now my Voltages are around 1.2 - 1.25 during Cinebench.
ive always done manual OC's on my PCs so i wouldnt be surprised that the motherboard manufactures or even intel are aware of the overvoltes of their "Auto" settings
The problem we have here, is at present, we can't even trust Intel's instrumentation on these chips. These chips have been known to report that they are running cooler than ambient, which is physically impossible. It could be that part of the reason these updates Intel keeps put out are not working, is because their algorithms don't have the proper information coming from the reporting.
@@bujin5455 it happened to me as well, i am getting some core temps 2 degrees below ambient (at idle) lol... like is this breaking fundamental laws of thermodynamics? lol my cooler often gives 2-3 degrees delta above ambient, but its hard to believe even lower temps.
I found something interesting. If I used the Intel Default Profile and MCE off on my 12900K, I found my temperatures were incredibly high, sometimes hitting upwards of 95C+ in games. When I switched to the Asus Advanced OC profile and also disabled MCE, I found my temperatures were back to normal and hovering in the
I'm seeing the same with the 13700k which is curious. I wonder if Asus is now optimizing Intel defaults with their profile and the intel profile default isn't really the safer settings.
thats due to intel's high LLC and VID specifications. ASUS and motherboard vendors were undervolting the cpus out of the box via ACLL and DC_LL....which is actually a good thing.
14900k user. Asus ROG Strix z790. The latest bios raised my voltages past 1.5v and increased temperatures across the board so I went back to my old bios v1102 and everything is a lot better. Pl1=125 PL2=253 ICC Max=307. MCE disabled. All Cores 57x. Voltage never passes 1.3v and temps never above 75c. Smooth sailing. I will wait till the mid August microcode update and see if it's any better at that time.
Exactly same with 13900k and z790 strix e wifi II Asus motherboard. As everyone is saying to do that I updated bios to 1402 and had mine first crash since 8 months with unreal engine. Switched back to 1201 and 5 days of playing. Not a single crash
@@evan-du3vk yeah exactly same Mobo and results as me with the new Bios. It's like they're trying to kill our CPUs faster. And almost all of these tech UA-cam channels are pushing the new BIOS which make it worse.
The reason the voltages you read out where still so high is that these where the VID or the voltage that the CPU requests not supplied voltage After the microcode update there is most of the time a quite big gap between VID and Vcore
The value we need to check is the Vcore on the motheboard info panel in HWINFO? under the MOS / PCH etc values? What are the numbers to check to know if there is a degradation? thanks
@@BornIntoThis20 The thing is that you cant really check for degradation just through the voltages. Even the bin of the CPU changes the voltage curve/frequency curve, with lower quality silicon increasing required voltages. The only way to kinda gauge if and a rough estimate of possible degradation is through undervolting and benchmarking to find the lowest stable voltage
@@GamesfriendLP Thanks. Yeah thats what I thought but I'm still a bit confused with the current issue I'm just discovering tbh. Initially I went through all the undervolt msi Liteload presets with extended stress tests (OOCT and all) to find out mode 6 was the lowest truly stable one. Never had any crash ever since, Vcore doesn't go higher than 1,397 V without undervolt or with it and it still performs as new under CBR23. Does it means I'm good for this issue or I'll have to check again the benchmarks and stress tests results regularly under different UV modes to be sure? (Z790i - 13700k - 8 months old bios..) If I understand correctly the new microcode will resolve the problem completly but introducing some perfomance limitations or anything?
@@BornIntoThis20 That sounds about good as the most common threshhold currently people are targeting to stay under is about 1.4 V. Im using a 13700kf (so basically the same chip) and the highest im seeing my Vcore spike after setting my AC loadline down to 0.35 is 1.355 V so I am betting on that being low enough
I got a 13980HX laptop... what can we laptop owners do? I'm still under warranty from Asus and I haven't had any issues but I've been undervolting the CPU and since I first became aware of this have been limiting its power usage to around 55-75w and also increased the fan speeds to keep it running cool. Going to reapply new thermal paste soon as well.
Good info as always. Bought my 13700k a month after release... you CAN NOT have it back. Drop in a Thermalright Anti-Bending Buckle and drop 12 degrees. $10 parts, worth $200 of cooling.
After update of the BIOS, the Vcore went down, from 1,45V to 1,30 V. the temp of the p-cores went down from 85+ C to 73 degrees C whith my I5 13600KF. Maybe it was nothing to worry about bit it did lower temps, and that is always good. the results with Cinebench went down a little as well, since the CPU got down from 110% to 100% at testing. In realtime conditions these lower results aren;t noticeble. Thank you for the info .
14700k, Asus Z790 ProArt, enhanced profile but manually undervolted as soon as I built the PC. Perfectly stable for near a year now and my voltage never went over 1.36.
how do u manually undervolt it? I’m building a pc soon and made my list and i will buy the i7 14700kf, so I’m genuinely interested if i should do all of this stuff undervolt it or idk what else, once i finished the build
I have a 13600k on a msi z690 pro p ddr4 mobo. There's a setting called cpu lite load. Have put it on mode 3 after trial and error. Now the cpu runs on 1.2v max all core load and the performance is within 1 percent of mobo default settings. Default max temp in cine bench was 95c and with mode 3 it's high 70s in cinebemch and low 70s in gaming. Using a deepcool assassin 3 for cooling. It's worth a try for those with msi mobos
Why can’t i run neither of XMP profiles without having crashes? I have 4 ram slots 64gb (16gb each) 6800mhz. When i run the lowest xmp 6000mhz it crashes and it does for even higher. I got i9-14900k rtx4090 Z790 maximus formula. Any fix for this beside lowering mhz of ram to 5600mhz or any lower numbers?
I heard something a while ago that there's stability issues with people who run 4 dimm configurations of DDR5 RAM. I would try running your system with 1-2 sticks and see if you still crash. While that might not be what you wanna hear, and might not fix your issue; that was a problem for a lot of people which is why I stuck to 2 sticks. Edit: added 2 words for specificity
@@chrissoto4878 i have 3 xmp profiles for 6000mhz 6400mhz and 6800mhz it works for me on 6000mhz profile but manually put it to 5200mhz on 4 sticks. I have tried two a while ago and still couldn’t run XMP profiles as they are but going to try tomorrow and let you know the case. Thanks for the reply
Try an offset to voltages(over and above intel defaults) to under-volt your CPU, I've undervolted mine (0.1v) and it has helped the temperatures dramatically and mine still happily turbos to 5.3Ghz all core for the first 56 Sec.
@@_Mystic1978_ for me intel default settings applied too high voltage so i went to asus optimized and set some limits, on volt vcore -o.o5 and cpu vid to -0.04 and under stress test my voltage wont go over 1.38 and max temp is about 82C on a 13700k
Thanks man! I didn't know about that setting but I changed it for my i7-14700K and I went from 31853 (multicore) and 2196 (single core) points on Cinebench R23 with vcore of 1.46v to 30773 (multicore) and 2074 (single core) points with vcore of 1.323 which I don't mind... Temps also decreased a lot.
I read that supposedly Vrel for 13th gen is 1.45V under 70c, and 1.3V for 100c. It's probably fine to run those voltages at idle anyway, if you're scared about them disable 2-core boost, that's mostly what makes high requests I think. Depends on silicon too, worst i9 14900k will want 1.5V for 6Ghz, best one 1.4V (based on igor's lab article) About running cinebench on my system, I'm running 14900ks with -110mV offset (dunno LLC, as it's auto, left most voltages at auto/default) limited to 253/253 it's running with 1.2V, at light loads averages 1.3V.
@@michalwiktorow2188 you are replying to a 12day message , before 0129 was released, also even after that even BZ is not 100% confident that it will stop the damage, he himself said if you TRUST Intel then just update the bios and run it like that, IMO anything over 1.45v is sus AF and I won't trust it, specially not after they spent so many months blaming the motherboard manufacturer when it was Intel's fault
I have an Asus Proart Z790 wifi motherboard and an intel I9 13900k, to have a cooler temperature but contain the loss of performance how should I do it and which BIOS parameters should I change? I have been following your UA-cam channel for years, please can you give me a well-made guide, I trust you, you are very prepared and very professional and competent. Thanks from Italy
On my 14600K i have set the IA VR Limit to 1400 mV and the highest I've seen is 1.372 V. Before setting the limit the max I saw was 1.403 V. Running cinebench 24 it goes anywhere from 1.250 to 1.270 V while keeping all p-core 5ghz (and 2-3 of them 5.1ghz). Max temp 92C with freezer 36 cooler.
I don't think this is well known enough - to find the part in the BIOS that can limit the CPUs internal voltage regulator, rather than the more obvious VID settings etc. I set mine to 1400 and my Cinebench score went up by 300 points. 13700k on a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X. Max 80 degrees with a EK 240mm AIO.
@@stevexc222 Hi man, I have similar setup (13700K, on a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX). Can I please ask where to find the option to limit my voltage to 1.400 in Bios?
@@RQ_play There's a video on youtube for it, search for "One setting to limit max core voltage on Gigabyte Z790/Z690 motherboards" Edit: You can skip the first 11 minutes
You need to monitor the Vcore voltage not the Core VID, as Core ViDs is the voltage requested by the CPU, while the Vcore is the actual voltage sent to CPU.
As said: The 0x125 bios will give more Vcore and temp! Do not download unless you are having stability issues. This bios is done from broken CPU's! I had the same issue and tackled it at once! Wait till the new Intel microcode gets out!
@@ZombieLincoln666 It did not matter if i used intel fail safe because that is what the standard according to intel should be. Also the Asus extreme profile had to much voltage. I just limited the SVID in total now and not exceeding 1.275volts in any scenario. CPU stays cool and performance is not really inpacted. Also way beter powerwise, consuming a lot less watts.
Dont forgot to mention that the Usb drive needs to be reformatted to FAT32 by right clicking on the drive. That ensures the drive is cleared completely in preparation for the CAP file.
Just updated my Z790 Carbon wifi and again nno issues but I always fix or use adaptive vcore with a max limit of 1.325v...I have never let the motherboard handle voltages on auto as it is just abbsurd and can go over 1.45v with ease and it just is not needed. 1.3v should be enough to allow any 13th and 14th gen to boost properly and 1.350v if you really want to push for max scores. Getting 41K in cinebench r23 multi test with temps all under control though using a 360mm aio.
Hi there, I'm a big fan of your videos! I’m curious about the network speed you use for your NAS. Is it 10GbE, 25GbE, or even 100GbE? I'm wondering how much of an impact network speed has on video editing performance. What do you think is the best balance between speed and cost for video editing setups? Thanks for your insights!
I have an i9 14700K processor that I purchased from Newegg, and I experienced blue screen issues ('watchdog_timeout') during the first 3 months. I wasn’t aware of any problems with this model, but I recently discovered that there are known issues with the 13th and 14th gen CPUs. Fortunately, MSI recently released a BIOS update, and since then, I haven’t had any stability issues like I did before the update. Should I still consider returning the processor under warranty, or is it safe to keep using it now that the issues seem resolved?
I own i9-14900k, latest bios 2402 on ROG STRIX Z790-H GAMING WIFI VID MAX reach at max 1.492V 96°C and average is around 1.18V, before I always undervolted -0.07 V but bios 2402 with intel default does not allow it anymore, I do not find the offset option. Using Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 with push pull and no throtling at all. Congratulations for your channel, I learned a lot from you !!
Intel default bios enables undervolt protection setting. search for it in bios and disable. Restart. Go back to bios and now you can undervolt again if thats what you want to do.
@@Abra_Ka_Dabra_008 Hi, thank you for your reply; I searched again this morning and found the option again, I undervolted by default to -0.07V and now all ok, I decreased by 3-4 degrees the temperature.
@@Abra_Ka_Dabra_008 what does there fix actually do ? Is it just updating the bios or do I have to do something additional in the bios after the update?
CPU:13900k: Vid Max 1.528. Package max power: 253W. I've noticed with the new BIOS the power is maintained, where previously is still jumped to like 285W. The voltage is still very high, although under load the voltage goes down to 1.25.
I have never seen my i7 13700k go above 1,360V (with CEP disabled) and i still have my first BIOS from 2022 when i bought my ASUS Prime Z790. I also have no issues with my CPU. Everyone recommends that you set IA & SA CEP to ENABLED in BIOS, but when i do that, my VID voltages jump to 1,45V. When i leave it on DISABLED, my voltages never go above 1,360V.
Hey Bro, I was going to get I5 13600K but I prefer now to go with AMD so, will ryzen 9 7900x + rx 7800xt will be fine with moderate content creation + some gaming?
@@ZiadMustafa-x8n Depends on what you mean by content creation. High core count is generally only good for parallelized processes and of little to no use for most people.
When I did a test in Cinebench today I got over 1.4 volts in core VIDs, core temp and cpu package temp of 100 C maximum and a result of about 38000. I noticed PL1 and PL2 were set on default. All I did was set IA VR Voltage Limit to 1400, set PL1 to 125W and PL2 to 253W as shown on Intel website for 14700k and disabled enhanced-multicore performance. Now the result is about 29500 but core VIDs voltage does not go above 1.390, and core temp and cpu package temp go up to 90 C.
Thanks for the video ! I'm glad i'm on a ryzen for my desktop pc! But i'm a little afraid as I've got a brand new laptop (1 month) with a i7 13620h, do you think it will be affected by the issue ?
I've heard inconclusive information regarding laptops being affected. Some report they are, but I imagine they would be the chips with higher power usage.
I'm on Z690 DDR4 Gigabyte with a 13700K and similar issues with still high voltages being requested by the CPU with the newest BIOS. With Intel default profile I also went in to manually set PL1/PL2 to 253W, IccMax to 307A, IA VR to 1385 (1.385V) and undervolted by -75mV adaptive offset. Cinebench R23 multicore scores now at 28,200ish. With only applying the Intel defaults profile, peak CPU temps hit ~86c, with the rest of my limits applied, ~76c
I have a similar setup as you, 13700k + Gigabyte z690 gaming X DDR4. I'm still on a F21 BIOS Version though. What's your turbo power limit set to? Mine is set to Intel POR which limits the PL1/PL2 to 253W, but after testing i've noticed a huge performance loss in C R23. My multicore result went from 30167 (all bios default settings + XMP) to 17545.
When testing for performance my 14900K, fixed at 1.325v temps high 80's early 90's when running Cinebench R23 with a 41K cinebench r23 multi score. For daily use, fixed vcore 1.3v and again no issues and temps even better. Also I would never lead vcore on auto. Set a fixed or adaptive with a max 1.350v limit as that will provide all the performance and more without any temprature issues whatsoever.
If you have a 13400f or 13600k just enjoy. The server devs released the failure rates and said the 13600k was less then 2% so enjoy. Mine is perfect and people need to remember motherboard manus are and have been replying bios that don't allow it to go over 1.4volts my asus motherboard already did it and ive never ever ever had and issue yet. I got lucky I didn't run it before that. It's stable has never crashed and is running fantasticly.
Do you have any sources for that 2%? It sounds about right (13600K is not even mentioned in warframe crash report) but I would be interest to know more. I'm also an owner of stable 13600K (so far), so that's why I'm interested.
Its neck and neck with the 12600k but yes. Luckily my new 13600k is very nice also. Hasnt gone over 1.4volts I swear asus has there bios dialed in. I havent had to touch a single thing. Also i had no idea the 13600k was so good lol. @multiicore_
@@reviewforthetube6485 it’s neck and neck but the 13400f runs like 200-300mhz slower on the p cores as it is designed for a 65w tdb and that crap stock cooler. It’s not like it’s 10 times slower than the 12600k lol. It’s Alder Lake so it’s fine. I’d tweak the 13600k if I was you tbh. Disable pointless 1-2 core boost. I5s generally run around 1.3 Volts so you don’t really need to undervolt. But definitely do disable the 1-2 core boost. Raptor Lake was a rushed out architecture.
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I just bought the 2023 Asus ProArt studiobook 16 with the i-9 13980HX. Is this an issue? It's BIOS is a year old. Also can't run 5200mhz RAM which should be changed @ASUS!
hi Tech Notice i very much enjoy your videos but i am wondering? did you know that this new micro code update may actually be making the problem worse then it is and if it doesnt we still can not get the performance we paid for do you think there will be a 15th gen cpu line?
My i7 13700K was sometimes reaching 1.5v even with the latest bios, but after locking all my cores at 53x (5.3Ghz), it only goes up to 1.4v rarely now. I heard (and noticed in HWinfo) that it was 2 of my cores that sometimes would boost to 5.4Ghz and then also wanting to pull upwards of 1.5v. I'm still going to try to see if I can reduce the core voltage a little further though. So to keep you CPU from cooking you should really lock all your cores to the same default boost of the CPU you are running to avoid the "single" core boost that Intel has implemented.
@@multiicore_ As I have already locked all cores to 5.3Ghz, I don't experience the single-two core boost anymore, or at least not to the degree as before, if I'm understanding correctly, and my voltage is at 1.35 now, so that's the only thing I want to try to get a little lower, but I haven't experienced any type of problems since I bought and built my PC back at the start of November '23. Also in all of this debacle, I've noticed that generally, it's been people with ASUS boards who have been having problems, and it's not to shift blame unto the board manufacturers, but I still think that it needs to be discussed why this is the case. I had to go with an Asrock board, as there was no ASUS boards in my price range that would fit my requirements, and as I've said, I haven't had any problem since I built my system, oh except for a bad RAM stick that died after a few months.
@@TigonIII Asus has that automatic OC crap which overvolts like crazy. 1.35 is fine, if you can go lower would be dope. Raptor Lake was a rushed out architecture.
I’ve had my I9 13900k for about a year in about 2 weeks. I have had no issues, I am kinda contemplating waiting for the full release of this BIOS version. Any thoughts on this from people would be appreciated. Don’t want to rush it.
I have tuned my 14900k since 2023 and runs fine. Ia cep and cep off, llc 4, ac line .28 and DC line 0.98. Short and long duration 253w. Vcore sits @1.38v under load temps around 80. Have tested multiple dx12 games and vx2 stress test. Hope stays like that.
meh... ignore the power limits, and just change the v-core voltages to say 1.35 max. U migh have to go to the LLC setting and choose a setting depening if u want the voltage to droop under load or not. on some motherboards the lowest values(1-10) droop more and on some the highest value droop more under load. So now u are done.
I've been using a 13700F for over an year now without a BIOS update - not a single issue so far, temps under load can reach 100C for short periods but only 1.2-1.3V on average. May update BIOS once Intel release the new microcode but only after I see tests.
13900k I've used for a few years on custom water. Voltages on latest bios is around 1.3v idle and 1.25 under load. The only thing I have tweaked with the latest bios is increasing my power limits since even under load my temps are under 75C.
14700k died. Would add that Asus seem to be producing some strange bios updates, lots of people saying. To avoid further issues, went with AMD on Aorus.
I have a slightly earlier bios version. I currently have voltage offset by -30mV (from day 1). Voltage peaks at 1.18v in cinebench r23 and manages a score of ~35500
I keep hearing bad things about ucode 129, so I stuck with ucode 125. I then undervolted by -.100v. It keeps my max VID and Vcore under 1.4v. It actually raised my R23 score from 35.5K to about 38.5K as well. Fingers crossed this keeps my 14900KF safe.
This is why everyone should learn to overclock and monitor voltage . I’ve had my 13700k since launch cores locked to 5.5 ghz at 1.32v and no issues since release date
The specs for my Inspiron 15 laptop, with 13th gen Intel 1355U, say "Power Supply: 65 Watt AC Adapter; Battery: 54Wh". Since it's not over 65W does that mean it's safe and doesn't need the microcode patch, or is this something completely different?
İ've been using my 13600KF with undervolting since day one. So no worries for me here. But this is a major problem and Intel is the one to blame. At least the warranty time is longer now. Shall I remove the UV and let it burn and replace with a new one?
I have a 14900K, an ASUS Maximum Z970 Dark Hero, and the latest 1402 BIOS with the 0x125 microcode update. I kept the AI Overclock Tuner set to AUTO and the DRAM frequency to DDR-6400 MHz. I see 6400 MHz in the memory section of the Performance tab in Windows Task Manager, so it appears stable with the AI Overclock Tuner at AUTO.
Thanks for making this easy to find. I fount out about the issue the day after i got my cpu and am in the peocess of building my computer today so i wanted to know ehat settings to use to minimize degeneration.
Since you're a content creator have you noticed any changes/lagging or any other issues in any video or photo editing software, I'm interested in DaVinci Resolve, Lr, & Ps, that's what I use. I have the ASUS z690i & i9-13900k. I don't game so I don't tax my system as hard as someone who does. My temps at idle are 39C & when editing my temps top out at around 52C. All well within normal operational limits. Hence holding off on the update. I've been on the fence about doing the update since I read a review that stated it affected Adobe Premiere Pro by like 42%, as for games most were ok with a few taking a 2-4% hit in performance & a few that didn't perform so well. The article also went on to say it could have just been an anomaly with Adobe Premiere Pro at the time it was tested. If my editing software takes a hit & lags this is a non starter for me. I would like to do the update to protect my cpu long term but not at a cost of workflow interruptions. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
they are trying to fix xx900k series , not xx700k series . that is why you see high voltage . intel default setting is f up for xx700k series . you can put max voltage limit (IA VR Voltage Limit) under cpu power management until they release the magical bios update IF IT BE TRUE edit : as a xx700k user you should never see anything over 1.35 at all and that is high too.
My System 13900K Aorus Master Z790 I changed on Mainboard TPL 1 to 125 Watts and TPL 2 to 253 Watts like Intel recommend, no problems! My new Bisoupdate set both to 253 Watts and it causes crashes
Hi, Just a question, im running an i5 13600KF processor atm the pc is 1 year old and bios has not been updated since i got the pc. I have ran the CinebenchR23 program with the HWinfo and my cpu voltage did not go above 1.23/1.24 the maximum. Would you still do a bios update regardless there is no issue with the CPU? Thanks in advance
Power limit aint gonna fix this because the problem is with single core boost and a 14900k boosting on 2 cores to 6ghz does not exceed a 125W power limit. Set ratio limit per core to whatever your cpu goes on all core boost example with i9 14900k 2 cores go to 6ghz and 5,6ghz with all cores so u need to set all the cores with a limit 5,6ghz. Another thing you can do is set a core voltage limit but that depends what cpu you got for example with 14900k i would set 1,4V max
I use gigabyte z790 ud ax. In the Intel default settings, the voltage is high, the TDP usage time is long. offset undervolt does not work. Bench test score is low. I use the gigabyte optimization setting with undervolt. TDP unlimited and still much more efficient (better TDP times, uses less Watts) and better performance. of course the temperatures are also much better. for example intel settings cinebench watt usage continuous 253 w max voltage 1.4xx V, Gigabyte optimization setting and undervolt continuous 200W and still better performance max. voltage 1.268V.
I updated to the latest bios on MSI Z790 GAMING PRO WIFI for my i7-14700KF hoping it will resolve the crashing and bluescreens and unexpected shut downs. I just gave up and returned back to my MSI B550 Gaming Plus paired with AMD R9 5900x no issues at all. I just wasted a lot of money sadly on Z790 GAMING PRO WIFI and Intel CPU
13900K user here running on a Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X mobo and DDR4. No issues or a hint of any gliches at all. Although I'm not a gamer, I do run Handbrake a lot (Often for 1 hour+) and the CPU sure gets hot, but it simply throttles back and all remains well. All the issues I've so far heard about seem to be on systems running DDR5 RAM. Could this be an issue that no-one seems to have considered.
Thank you for posting this. Just returned a 13th Gen i9 and got a replacement under warranty. Now I need fix the BIOS after an update failed with the faulty CPU - I could not access the BIOS after the update. I will try Q Flash plus in the Gigabyte Aero G Z790 before fitting the new Intel i9-14900K. The issue might have been the file name not being renamed to 'GIGABYTE.bin' on the USB - although every instruction suggested the rename only if updating without the CPU.
Well done for common sense and not treating those with 13th and 14th gen as lepers. Have had a 13700K and a 14900K, no issues though I always dropped voltage to a max of 1.325v as motherboard auto settings were always way too much. Just downloaded the latest MSI bios that dropped today and again no issues with my 14900K running nicely. PS have you had issues with your 13th and 14th gen that you having been using on Tech Notice?
Updated my MSI motherboard to the latest and had to go back to the previous bios. My system started running hotter so hopefully the next bios update will be better off
Just as a notifier for my budget friends out there. You got an i5-13500, i5-13400, i3-13100. Don't worry your die size is at 215 square mm, you have an alder lake die and therefore are less affected by the so called "Raptor Lake issues".
Interesting... the new BIOSes/microcodes gave me almost 5% boost in benchmarks, with slightly lower temps in-use (idle temps unchanged), and max core and cache voltages now barely kiss 1.3V at full bore. Both my systems saw a similar performance gain (13700K on Asus Z790 and 13600K on Asus B760). I undervolt both as much as possible without performance loss, and don't overclock other than XMP. The update seems to obey my undervolt settings more strictly than before.
Lock the P-Cores (limiting them all to same max possible clock, as close to "out of the box"), so that there is no single/dual-core boost. Reduce the CPU core voltage to about 1.35v (or lower). Worst scenario, you might have to lower the "all P-Core clock" a hundred MHz less than stock. Which won't make any difference to whatever use (unless it's competitive benchmarking?) and the degradation is now drastically mitigated. ....as should've been done imediately when this problem appeared (IMO).
With a TDP of 125 W, the Core i9-11900K. This is a giant POS, I had to under-volt offset by -0.050v to -0.065v and enable all power limits or it will reach 90 - 100c and thermal throttle to hell. But now in underclocks to 4400mhz instead of maintaining the 4700mhz all core-clock. I have only noticed a difference in performance in Cinebench but zero difference in games.
We have 250 Dell's with these chips in.. Zero issues. Everything was correctly setup to begin with as they got it right out of the box. I have similar at home and guess what, i setup and updated the bios correctly. One set of chips were bad... So what, not like amd didn't do that a few years ago or all the macbook keyboards broke for four years.
We just Ordered the MSI Aegis R2 with the i9 1400f cpu not sure what motherboard but it has 32 gigs of ram and a 4070 graphics card the best card I have ever had. I have been using the i7 7700 cpu with 16 gigs of ram and a 1070 then went to a 1650 which is a downgrade. But I do have a psu of 850 watts from corsair. I just hope the new computer comes with an 850 or I might have to change it out.
My 14900K had instability since I got it but I never thought it was the problem until I had tried literally everything else and saw the intel news. Now it can’t even run at 5.7GHz , it still BSODs
I am using gigabyte z790 aorus elite ddr4 + i7 14700k, for me Intel default 253W compare to gigabyte 280+W is still to high, lets set power package p1 and p2 on 200W both, you will have still above 30K in Cinebench r23 and temperature will be 10-15 degress less, maybe Vcore aswell. On Intel default profile from August 2024 I have 1.45v and 30K points, on Gigabyte optimization profile I have 1,36v and almost 34k points which is crazy.... (both tested on 200W limit), this Intel default profile decrease performance a lot.
Alright. Finaly succeeded with the Update on an Asus Strix 760-F. Alot of bluescreens afterwards, and the bios takes like 15-20 sec to get passed before starting the windows startup. Really slow bios. Intel Baseline is in check, and XMP. I did get a few bluescreens at first, but finaly got that out of the way aswell. 14700k. 32GB Corsair Vengance 6000mhz. 2tb Corsair NVMe. Corsair AIO 240mm. As for cinebench, i seam to get about the same points, with the CPU capped at 90c.
Edit!: After a 1.35v cap in AI VR, was totally worth it. It maxes 82c. Instead of 90c (Or 105c uncapped). And i only lost from about 1792 too 1930 points in Cinebench. Thanks @_Mystic1978_ for that tweek, apreciate it. I'd rather be a lill bit slow, but within safe temparatures, than the other way around.
There is another small tweak in the bios that should be changed, i don't remember exactly how it's called but it has something to do with the cpu voltage, instead of auto change it to adaptive, in auto it will mostly stay at max voltage in idle for some reason then change when the cpu is used, but adaptive will use only what it needs when needed
I’ve not noticed any major spikes on mine, my core vid goes up to 1.470 and my vcore goes upto 1.420, this is when running multiple cinebench benchmarks. Still not applied the bios update though but probably will do today.
Are Intel Core Ultra 7 and 9 affected for the issue itself and is this update useful for those chips? I know they are a new architecture but effectively treated as 14 Gen too.
I have 14900k and i locked all P cores 5600 and E cores 4400 with global adaptive voltage 0.100 i use pc only for gaming and zero issues and i get like 70C on most cpu demanding games i use rtx4090 strix as well and managed to get 39700 cinebench score with this set up as well
Hi, very good video. Very well explained. In June I bought an i 9 14900k, I didn't know about the errors that they present. I was thinking about building my PC, but with all that. Do you think I should continue building the PC with that processor or should I look for another one? It is an investment what one makes to the other components. 🎉🎉🎉help…. !
I’m not sure why this happened. When I entered the BIOS to update it to the latest version, I followed the instructions in the video. After waiting as the video suggested, a message popped up saying I needed to restart. I didn’t press "OK" right away, and the screen went black. According to the video, it should have shown the AMI screen to press F1, but it didn’t. Instead, it went straight to BIOS EZ Flash. At first, I didn’t think it was a big deal. However, when I set everything up and saved and exited, it looped back to the BIOS again. I found a suggestion on UA-cam to enable CSM, but that didn’t work either. Feeling desperate, I reinstalled the BIOS, and somehow that fixed the issue. I don’t know if anyone else has experienced the same situation, but I just wanted to share my experience. Thanks😅
Thanks for the information. I actually did something similar manually a few months ago with my 13700K - Instead of bios update, I changed the bios settings manually to PL1 and PL2 253W, and ICCMAX to 307A. Also disabled the 'Enhance multi core performance'. I wonder if I should also update the bios, or what I did is basically the same thing. But I think I'll update the bios mid August at this point, when intel release the new microcode.
i also capped my power limits to 230watts from bios, because over 230watts, my air cooler cant keep temps below 90... also, instead of updating bios again and again, i am just waiting for intel microcode update (i am scared of bios update lol)
Why do I get the same 31K in R23 on my 13900K as you with 14700K? I can't believe they have equal level of performance, at least before all these microcode updates they have around 4-5K difference. Intel Optimized Defaults, just set IA VR to 1350.
WHAT PEOPLE DONT SEEM TO BE POINTING OUT IS THAT , WE GOT ARE 13 AND 14900K BASED ON A PERFORMANCE ADVERTISED , WITH LASTEST ASUS BIOS YOU GET HUGE PERFORMANCE LOSS OVER OLDER SETTINGS , IN SOME CASES, GAMING MOSTLY 12900K PERFORMANCE , YOU DONT SEE 6GIG MAYBE FIR FRACTION OF SEC WHEN COU IS PRETTY IDLE MORE LIKE 5.2G
I just went full on safe mode until the bios update. Underclocked my 13600K to 4,5 GHz / 3,5 GHz and disabled xmp. And the performance drop is not even that huge, I have 21k in cinebench r23 multicore (instead of 23k stock) and 1750 single core (I don't remeber the original number but it was something colse to 2000). Temps and power consumption dropped even more, 60C max on AK620 and 100W under full load. And maximum Vcore is now 1,08V instead of stock 1,3V. This is obviously an overkill, but I probably won't go back to stock settings after the update, something like 4,8 GHz (P) / 3,7 GHz (E) seems perfectly fine for me, while not pushing the chip to its limits. PS. My cpu is also slightly undervolted since the begging with vf curve points (- 90mV at max frequency) and with lite load set to mode 6.
ua-cam.com/video/sxsvPdQ2aKk/v-deo.html Here's the video about the issue and what's going on :)
Is there a way i can email you or talk to you on Discord so i can share my Bios photos with you so you can see the settings i use for yourself ?
Fyi i never used the new bios or any new microcode this will initially bork my chip if i do so
i've updated to the latest bios and now my pc is superslow..............
whats about performance ? any decrease performance ?
@@arfanariyanto297
From no-limits/4096W to 253W? Yeah. But it's nothing too bad, literally unnoticeable outside a multi core benchmark score.
Thank you! Instead of talking how people who got a 13-14th gen processor are idiots, you are actually helping them. This is how a Tech channel should function, not have any bias remarks and bs against people who use products they chose to buy.
I myself have zero issues with my 13900k but this is a good video.
As for the comments, people should just ignore them as always.
I have 13600kf no problems so far from dec last year are you gonna ignore the issue and not update?
@@lawv622 No, I'm still gonna update regardless since I'll eventually run into a BSOD with a program or something that I use due to code and stuff.
Indeed, it's been annoying to see people saying the solution to all of this is to "buy AMD"; most people who are affected by this issue here are running relatively-new PCs or PC builds (my own PC is only around a year old or so), and it just wouldn't make much practical sense to switch over to AMD since it would also involve changing to a new motherboard, and potentially new RAM and other associated parts as well.
Yes, Intel screwed up, but this is not the fault of us Intel users. Rather than ridiculing us, people should be trying to help us find a practical, workable solution. This whole "buy AMD" solution is not a real solution for us, at least for now - people will want to use their PCs for at least 3-5 years before upgrading, and it makes little sense to toss out an otherwise-nearly new PC just because of this whole debacle.
They are doing it for clicks and views, it's sad because for them, if every customer ended up with an unusable CPU which didn't get RMA'd by Intel, they would be happy, because they get the most views reporting on the carnage..... happy i9 14900k owner here, I set limits and kept voltages in check and have never had any issues with better than stock performance.. they don't want to report on that.
@HyperionZero
"I myself have zero issues with my 13900k" so far.
but yes, excellent for practical support.
Tha fact that something so critical to the health of the chip is just now being addressed blows my mind
Maybe you aren't aware, but investigations take a while.
If you been in the industry long enough, you would remember the games AMD played from 1995-2015. 5 years is not enough of a benchmark for me to trust them.
It's not. I've been using stock Asus OC profile for over 15,000 hours and absolutely no issues.
@@the12gaugeshottybro can you please tell me which Mobo you r using ?
i just wanna buy a motherboard for my new gaming PC . and tell me Cpu also
@@DingleBerryschnapps Maybe you aren't aware, but Intel wasn't investigating until a few weeks ago.
There is something so many of these builders, and recommendations do not consider.
Some of us CANNOT bring our chips back to retailer, as that would leave us without a running system.
Waiting 6-8 lifetimes for an RMA to be rejected doesn't solve my computer issues when I have a WFH shift tonight.
If the suggestion is RMA, then stow it and just suggest we buy AMD.
Hey. I've had the same issue as you do. After reaching Intel's support, they denied me the "cross-shipping" option which is basically "Send me the new CPU and i'll send you the faulty one after". After explaning why it was important for me to have it, i asked the same question 3 times and eventually they escalated the ticket to some higher resp. which granted me the cross-shipping. You should try and be as annoying as you can, eventually they will accept.
I did the same test with my 13600k and ended up with around 1.4v and around 90'C in HWinfo. What fixed it was going into the 'SVID Behaviour' settings and selecting 'Best Case Scenario'. Now my Voltages are around 1.2 - 1.25 during Cinebench.
Typical scenario is actually the one to use The Best Case will crash because it is running too lean.
did you lose or gain performance?
ive always done manual OC's on my PCs so i wouldnt be surprised that the motherboard manufactures or even intel are aware of the overvoltes of their "Auto" settings
The problem we have here, is at present, we can't even trust Intel's instrumentation on these chips. These chips have been known to report that they are running cooler than ambient, which is physically impossible. It could be that part of the reason these updates Intel keeps put out are not working, is because their algorithms don't have the proper information coming from the reporting.
@@bujin5455 it happened to me as well, i am getting some core temps 2 degrees below ambient (at idle) lol... like is this breaking fundamental laws of thermodynamics? lol my cooler often gives 2-3 degrees delta above ambient, but its hard to believe even lower temps.
I found something interesting. If I used the Intel Default Profile and MCE off on my 12900K, I found my temperatures were incredibly high, sometimes hitting upwards of 95C+ in games. When I switched to the Asus Advanced OC profile and also disabled MCE, I found my temperatures were back to normal and hovering in the
I'm seeing the same with the 13700k which is curious. I wonder if Asus is now optimizing Intel defaults with their profile and the intel profile default isn't really the safer settings.
thats due to intel's high LLC and VID specifications. ASUS and motherboard vendors were undervolting the cpus out of the box via ACLL and DC_LL....which is actually a good thing.
The 12900K is not in the affected SKU's
You actually have one of the MOST stable i9 chips intel ever made.
AC and DC LL is probably increased in intel defaults?
@@johndough48713930k, 4790k, 10900k has enter the chat.
14900k user. Asus ROG Strix z790. The latest bios raised my voltages past 1.5v and increased temperatures across the board so I went back to my old bios v1102 and everything is a lot better. Pl1=125 PL2=253 ICC Max=307. MCE disabled. All Cores 57x. Voltage never passes 1.3v and temps never above 75c. Smooth sailing. I will wait till the mid August microcode update and see if it's any better at that time.
Exactly same with 13900k and z790 strix e wifi II Asus motherboard. As everyone is saying to do that I updated bios to 1402 and had mine first crash since 8 months with unreal engine. Switched back to 1201 and 5 days of playing. Not a single crash
I have heard people mentioning that updating to the bios with the microcode 0x125 was worse, so maybe you experienced the same.
this is the way. 1.5V = death voltage
@@evan-du3vk yeah exactly same Mobo and results as me with the new Bios. It's like they're trying to kill our CPUs faster. And almost all of these tech UA-cam channels are pushing the new BIOS which make it worse.
@@TigonIII yep, the new microcode bios updates are complete garbage and make things way worse than they already are.
High voltage is due to peak turbo boost jumps - disable turbo boost max 3.0 and thermal velocity boost, not high tdp.
Your CPU is not cooked. Just do a negative offset on your BCLK Adaptive voltage to about 01.0000 and you'll be stable with temps around the high 80's.
Can you dumb this down for a noob 😅
@@MsVamPireChicit’s in you bios cpu settin, named that
After the BIOS update im not able to put offset voltage :| Any ideas why?
@@BlezzUMen same here. Cant undervolt.
The reason the voltages you read out where still so high is that these where the VID or the voltage that the CPU requests not supplied voltage
After the microcode update there is most of the time a quite big gap between VID and Vcore
The value we need to check is the Vcore on the motheboard info panel in HWINFO? under the MOS / PCH etc values? What are the numbers to check to know if there is a degradation? thanks
@@BornIntoThis20 HWmonitor makes this easier to find but in HWINFO i think it is VR VCC voltage directly from the CPU or the Vcore from the mainboard
@@BornIntoThis20 The thing is that you cant really check for degradation just through the voltages. Even the bin of the CPU changes the voltage curve/frequency curve, with lower quality silicon increasing required voltages. The only way to kinda gauge if and a rough estimate of possible degradation is through undervolting and benchmarking to find the lowest stable voltage
@@GamesfriendLP Thanks. Yeah thats what I thought but I'm still a bit confused with the current issue I'm just discovering tbh. Initially I went through all the undervolt msi Liteload presets with extended stress tests (OOCT and all) to find out mode 6 was the lowest truly stable one. Never had any crash ever since, Vcore doesn't go higher than 1,397 V without undervolt or with it and it still performs as new under CBR23. Does it means I'm good for this issue or I'll have to check again the benchmarks and stress tests results regularly under different UV modes to be sure? (Z790i - 13700k - 8 months old bios..) If I understand correctly the new microcode will resolve the problem completly but introducing some perfomance limitations or anything?
@@BornIntoThis20 That sounds about good as the most common threshhold currently people are targeting to stay under is about 1.4 V. Im using a 13700kf (so basically the same chip) and the highest im seeing my Vcore spike after setting my AC loadline down to 0.35 is 1.355 V so I am betting on that being low enough
While my temps and voltages are fine with the new microcode, my 13600k won't boost to 5.1Ghz during cinebench anymore. It goes as far as 4.8Ghz.
I got a 13980HX laptop... what can we laptop owners do? I'm still under warranty from Asus and I haven't had any issues but I've been undervolting the CPU and since I first became aware of this have been limiting its power usage to around 55-75w and also increased the fan speeds to keep it running cool. Going to reapply new thermal paste soon as well.
I don't know if it's even been an issue for laptops. They're already ran with a lot less voltage.
@@tradingnichols2255 Not as much but they still easily go over 1.4hz with the 13900hx+ at least in my experience.
Good info as always.
Bought my 13700k a month after release... you CAN NOT have it back. Drop in a Thermalright Anti-Bending Buckle and drop 12 degrees. $10 parts, worth $200 of cooling.
how is that related to voltage?
After update of the BIOS, the Vcore went down, from 1,45V to 1,30 V. the temp of the p-cores went down from 85+ C to 73 degrees C whith my I5 13600KF. Maybe it was nothing to worry about bit it did lower temps, and that is always good. the results with Cinebench went down a little as well, since the CPU got down from 110% to 100% at testing. In realtime conditions these lower results aren;t noticeble. Thank you for the info .
14700k, Asus Z790 ProArt, enhanced profile but manually undervolted as soon as I built the PC. Perfectly stable for near a year now and my voltage never went over 1.36.
how do u manually undervolt it? I’m building a pc soon and made my list and i will buy the i7 14700kf, so I’m genuinely interested if i should do all of this stuff undervolt it or idk what else, once i finished the build
@@stevenstramturean Negative VID offset and a hard volt limit in BIOS. It's going to be different for each BIOS. Plenty of tutorials out there.
I have a 13600k on a msi z690 pro p ddr4 mobo. There's a setting called cpu lite load. Have put it on mode 3 after trial and error. Now the cpu runs on 1.2v max all core load and the performance is within 1 percent of mobo default settings. Default max temp in cine bench was 95c and with mode 3 it's high 70s in cinebemch and low 70s in gaming. Using a deepcool assassin 3 for cooling. It's worth a try for those with msi mobos
Why can’t i run neither of XMP profiles without having crashes? I have 4 ram slots 64gb (16gb each) 6800mhz. When i run the lowest xmp 6000mhz it crashes and it does for even higher. I got i9-14900k rtx4090 Z790 maximus formula. Any fix for this beside lowering mhz of ram to 5600mhz or any lower numbers?
I have the exact same specs and I am crashing even without xmp on multiple games seems our cpus are cooked
I heard something a while ago that there's stability issues with people who run 4 dimm configurations of DDR5 RAM.
I would try running your system with 1-2 sticks and see if you still crash.
While that might not be what you wanna hear, and might not fix your issue; that was a problem for a lot of people which is why I stuck to 2 sticks.
Edit: added 2 words for specificity
@@chrissoto4878 i have 3 xmp profiles for 6000mhz 6400mhz and 6800mhz it works for me on 6000mhz profile but manually put it to 5200mhz on 4 sticks. I have tried two a while ago and still couldn’t run XMP profiles as they are but going to try tomorrow and let you know the case. Thanks for the reply
It’s because the memory controller can’t handle 4 sticks of ram. Google it
Check the manual to make sure your memory is sitting in the right slots. This fixed the problem for me.
Try an offset to voltages(over and above intel defaults) to under-volt your CPU, I've undervolted mine (0.1v) and it has helped the temperatures dramatically and mine still happily turbos to 5.3Ghz all core for the first 56 Sec.
I applied an offset voltage of -0.100v on my 14900k with bios updated and is still running fine
-.1 is way too high your probably clocking stretching turn of cep and let’s how stabl that undervolt is
@@merkedgg6322 my 14900k with an AsRock Nova Wifi is perfectly stable.
Waiting for the bios fix probably i'll put it back to -0.050
@@merkedgg6322 it's just until Intel release the fix. For now everything is stable on my Asrock Nova Wifi.
You forgot the most important setting to keep the voltages flat. Go to IA VR voltage limit and set it to 1350mv . Done!
@@michaelalexander7879 yep you only need to set it like i said. Nothing else and you Will be safe
@@_Mystic1978_ for me intel default settings applied too high voltage so i went to asus optimized and set some limits, on volt vcore -o.o5 and cpu vid to -0.04 and under stress test my voltage wont go over 1.38 and max temp is about 82C on a 13700k
How to set it? it is in "enable" mode and can't change it for my own setting. Asus BIOS.
Thanks man! I didn't know about that setting but I changed it for my i7-14700K and I went from 31853 (multicore) and 2196 (single core) points on Cinebench R23 with vcore of 1.46v to 30773 (multicore) and 2074 (single core) points with vcore of 1.323 which I don't mind... Temps also decreased a lot.
How do you configure the IA VR Voltage Limit when it’s set to Auto and greyed out without allowing to change it?
I read that supposedly Vrel for 13th gen is 1.45V under 70c, and 1.3V for 100c.
It's probably fine to run those voltages at idle anyway, if you're scared about them disable 2-core boost, that's mostly what makes high requests I think.
Depends on silicon too, worst i9 14900k will want 1.5V for 6Ghz, best one 1.4V (based on igor's lab article)
About running cinebench on my system, I'm running 14900ks with -110mV offset (dunno LLC, as it's auto, left most voltages at auto/default) limited to 253/253 it's running with 1.2V, at light loads averages 1.3V.
No, anything over 1.40v will do damage to the ring, you want to undervolt/underclock the CPU to the point it never requests more than 1.40v
@@ivantsipr Dude, it is shown on MANY YT vids that after 0x129 CPU (measured socket voltages) are above 1,45V this was checeked by Buildzoid?!
@@michalwiktorow2188 you are replying to a 12day message , before 0129 was released, also even after that even BZ is not 100% confident that it will stop the damage, he himself said if you TRUST Intel then just update the bios and run it like that, IMO anything over 1.45v is sus AF and I won't trust it, specially not after they spent so many months blaming the motherboard manufacturer when it was Intel's fault
@@ivantsipr My bad then, also YT suggestion alghorithm.
@@michalwiktorow2188 no hard feelings 👍
I have an Asus Proart Z790 wifi motherboard and an intel I9 13900k, to have a cooler temperature but contain the loss of performance how should I do it and which BIOS parameters should I change? I have been following your UA-cam channel for years, please can you give me a well-made guide, I trust you, you are very prepared and very professional and competent. Thanks from Italy
On my 14600K i have set the IA VR Limit to 1400 mV and the highest I've seen is 1.372 V. Before setting the limit the max I saw was 1.403 V. Running cinebench 24 it goes anywhere from 1.250 to 1.270 V while keeping all p-core 5ghz (and 2-3 of them 5.1ghz). Max temp 92C with freezer 36 cooler.
I don't think this is well known enough - to find the part in the BIOS that can limit the CPUs internal voltage regulator, rather than the more obvious VID settings etc. I set mine to 1400 and my Cinebench score went up by 300 points. 13700k on a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X. Max 80 degrees with a EK 240mm AIO.
@@stevexc222
Hi man,
I have similar setup (13700K, on a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX).
Can I please ask where to find the option to limit my voltage to 1.400 in Bios?
@@RQ_play There's a video on youtube for it, search for "One setting to limit max core voltage on Gigabyte Z790/Z690 motherboards" Edit: You can skip the first 11 minutes
You need to monitor the Vcore voltage not the Core VID, as Core ViDs is the voltage requested by the CPU, while the Vcore is the actual voltage sent to CPU.
As said: The 0x125 bios will give more Vcore and temp! Do not download unless you are having stability issues. This bios is done from broken CPU's! I had the same issue and tackled it at once!
Wait till the new Intel microcode gets out!
I've noticed that. Thanks. I've never gone over 77 degrees and after updating. It went to 100c 😮
It’s probably because you have SVID behavior set to “intel failsafe”
@@ZombieLincoln666 It did not matter if i used intel fail safe because that is what the standard according to intel should be.
Also the Asus extreme profile had to much voltage.
I just limited the SVID in total now and not exceeding 1.275volts in any scenario.
CPU stays cool and performance is not really inpacted. Also way beter powerwise, consuming a lot less watts.
My 13900k died. Was using performance mode while gaming and it took a toll
Dont forgot to mention that the Usb drive needs to be reformatted to FAT32 by right clicking on the drive. That ensures the drive is cleared completely in preparation for the CAP file.
yes, thanks for the addition!
Thank you for creating this mate
MSI just releases new bios x129 today
for those MSI user can now update to the latest bios right now
Just updated my Z790 Carbon wifi and again nno issues but I always fix or use adaptive vcore with a max limit of 1.325v...I have never let the motherboard handle voltages on auto as it is just abbsurd and can go over 1.45v with ease and it just is not needed. 1.3v should be enough to allow any 13th and 14th gen to boost properly and 1.350v if you really want to push for max scores. Getting 41K in cinebench r23 multi test with temps all under control though using a 360mm aio.
@@vMaxHeadroom did u OC ur mobo and how much did u get?im trying 5.6 but the temp too high
Hi there, I'm a big fan of your videos! I’m curious about the network speed you use for your NAS. Is it 10GbE, 25GbE, or even 100GbE? I'm wondering how much of an impact network speed has on video editing performance. What do you think is the best balance between speed and cost for video editing setups? Thanks for your insights!
I have an i9 14700K processor that I purchased from Newegg, and I experienced blue screen issues ('watchdog_timeout') during the first 3 months. I wasn’t aware of any problems with this model, but I recently discovered that there are known issues with the 13th and 14th gen CPUs. Fortunately, MSI recently released a BIOS update, and since then, I haven’t had any stability issues like I did before the update. Should I still consider returning the processor under warranty, or is it safe to keep using it now that the issues seem resolved?
Thanks for keeping us up with this saga!
Wondering if myi3 13th i3 gen is weak enough to not be affected?
I own i9-14900k, latest bios 2402 on ROG STRIX Z790-H GAMING WIFI VID MAX reach at max 1.492V 96°C and average is around 1.18V, before I always undervolted -0.07 V but bios 2402 with intel default does not allow it anymore, I do not find the offset option. Using Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 with push pull and no throtling at all. Congratulations for your channel, I learned a lot from you !!
Intel default bios enables undervolt protection setting. search for it in bios and disable. Restart. Go back to bios and now you can undervolt again if thats what you want to do.
@@Abra_Ka_Dabra_008 Hi, thank you for your reply; I searched again this morning and found the option again, I undervolted by default to -0.07V and now all ok, I decreased by 3-4 degrees the temperature.
So does new bios protect intel chips or what????
@@TheOneGhost12 no one knows for sure. Too early to make a call. Intel says it does if you are willing to believe them
@@Abra_Ka_Dabra_008 what does there fix actually do ? Is it just updating the bios or do I have to do something additional in the bios after the update?
CPU:13900k: Vid Max 1.528. Package max power: 253W. I've noticed with the new BIOS the power is maintained, where previously is still jumped to like 285W. The voltage is still very high, although under load the voltage goes down to 1.25.
I got the same degits there, so should we leave as its now or ?
I have never seen my i7 13700k go above 1,360V (with CEP disabled) and i still have my first BIOS from 2022 when i bought my ASUS Prime Z790. I also have no issues with my CPU.
Everyone recommends that you set IA & SA CEP to ENABLED in BIOS, but when i do that, my VID voltages jump to 1,45V. When i leave it on DISABLED, my voltages never go above 1,360V.
Hey Bro, I was going to get I5 13600K but I prefer now to go with AMD so, will ryzen 9 7900x + rx 7800xt will be fine with moderate content creation + some gaming?
The i5-13600K competes with the Ryzen 7700X, not 7900X.
it will be fine.
@@JAnx01 yes but I've saw reviews says that when we talk about content creation the 7900x is much better, or this is wrong?
@@ZiadMustafa-x8n Depends on what you mean by content creation. High core count is generally only good for parallelized processes and of little to no use for most people.
@@JAnx01 thanks bro I got it, you ar correct I will do video editing beside designing but at most times I only do one task then the other
When I did a test in Cinebench today I got over 1.4 volts in core VIDs, core temp and cpu package temp of 100 C maximum and a result of about 38000. I noticed PL1 and PL2 were set on default. All I did was set IA VR Voltage Limit to 1400, set PL1 to 125W and PL2 to 253W as shown on Intel website for 14700k and disabled enhanced-multicore performance. Now the result is about 29500 but core VIDs voltage does not go above 1.390, and core temp and cpu package temp go up to 90 C.
Thanks for the video ! I'm glad i'm on a ryzen for my desktop pc!
But i'm a little afraid as I've got a brand new laptop (1 month) with a i7 13620h, do you think it will be affected by the issue ?
I've heard inconclusive information regarding laptops being affected. Some report they are, but I imagine they would be the chips with higher power usage.
I'm on Z690 DDR4 Gigabyte with a 13700K and similar issues with still high voltages being requested by the CPU with the newest BIOS. With Intel default profile I also went in to manually set PL1/PL2 to 253W, IccMax to 307A, IA VR to 1385 (1.385V) and undervolted by -75mV adaptive offset. Cinebench R23 multicore scores now at 28,200ish. With only applying the Intel defaults profile, peak CPU temps hit ~86c, with the rest of my limits applied, ~76c
I have a similar setup as you, 13700k + Gigabyte z690 gaming X DDR4. I'm still on a F21 BIOS Version though. What's your turbo power limit set to? Mine is set to Intel POR which limits the PL1/PL2 to 253W, but after testing i've noticed a huge performance loss in C R23. My multicore result went from 30167 (all bios default settings + XMP) to 17545.
When testing for performance my 14900K, fixed at 1.325v temps high 80's early 90's when running Cinebench R23 with a 41K cinebench r23 multi score. For daily use, fixed vcore 1.3v and again no issues and temps even better. Also I would never lead vcore on auto. Set a fixed or adaptive with a max 1.350v limit as that will provide all the performance and more without any temprature issues whatsoever.
If you have a 13400f or 13600k just enjoy. The server devs released the failure rates and said the 13600k was less then 2% so enjoy.
Mine is perfect and people need to remember motherboard manus are and have been replying bios that don't allow it to go over 1.4volts my asus motherboard already did it and ive never ever ever had and issue yet. I got lucky I didn't run it before that. It's stable has never crashed and is running fantasticly.
13400F here and that sounds bliss... Thx for the info! 👌
Do you have any sources for that 2%? It sounds about right (13600K is not even mentioned in warframe crash report) but I would be interest to know more. I'm also an owner of stable 13600K (so far), so that's why I'm interested.
13400f is Alder Lake. Unaffected and runs slower than a stock 12600k anyways so no issues at all with this CPU.
Its neck and neck with the 12600k but yes. Luckily my new 13600k is very nice also. Hasnt gone over 1.4volts I swear asus has there bios dialed in. I havent had to touch a single thing. Also i had no idea the 13600k was so good lol. @multiicore_
@@reviewforthetube6485 it’s neck and neck but the 13400f runs like 200-300mhz slower on the p cores as it is designed for a 65w tdb and that crap stock cooler. It’s not like it’s 10 times slower than the 12600k lol.
It’s Alder Lake so it’s fine.
I’d tweak the 13600k if I was you tbh. Disable pointless 1-2 core boost. I5s generally run around 1.3 Volts so you don’t really need to undervolt. But definitely do disable the 1-2 core boost.
Raptor Lake was a rushed out architecture.
I just bought the 2023 Asus ProArt studiobook 16 with the i-9 13980HX. Is this an issue? It's BIOS is a year old. Also can't run 5200mhz RAM which should be changed @ASUS!
hi Tech Notice i very much enjoy your videos but i am wondering? did you know that this new micro code update may actually be making the problem worse then it is and if it doesnt we still can not get the performance we paid for do you think there will be a 15th gen cpu line?
My i7 13700K was sometimes reaching 1.5v even with the latest bios, but after locking all my cores at 53x (5.3Ghz), it only goes up to 1.4v rarely now. I heard (and noticed in HWinfo) that it was 2 of my cores that sometimes would boost to 5.4Ghz and then also wanting to pull upwards of 1.5v.
I'm still going to try to see if I can reduce the core voltage a little further though.
So to keep you CPU from cooking you should really lock all your cores to the same default boost of the CPU you are running to avoid the "single" core boost that Intel has implemented.
disable single-two core boost and aim for 1.3 Volts all core.
@@multiicore_ As I have already locked all cores to 5.3Ghz, I don't experience the single-two core boost anymore, or at least not to the degree as before, if I'm understanding correctly, and my voltage is at 1.35 now, so that's the only thing I want to try to get a little lower, but I haven't experienced any type of problems since I bought and built my PC back at the start of November '23.
Also in all of this debacle, I've noticed that generally, it's been people with ASUS boards who have been having problems, and it's not to shift blame unto the board manufacturers, but I still think that it needs to be discussed why this is the case. I had to go with an Asrock board, as there was no ASUS boards in my price range that would fit my requirements, and as I've said, I haven't had any problem since I built my system, oh except for a bad RAM stick that died after a few months.
@@TigonIII Asus has that automatic OC crap which overvolts like crazy.
1.35 is fine, if you can go lower would be dope.
Raptor Lake was a rushed out architecture.
I’ve had my I9 13900k for about a year in about 2 weeks. I have had no issues, I am kinda contemplating waiting for the full release of this BIOS version.
Any thoughts on this from people would be appreciated. Don’t want to rush it.
I have tuned my 14900k since 2023 and runs fine. Ia cep and cep off, llc 4, ac line .28 and DC line 0.98. Short and long duration 253w. Vcore sits @1.38v under load temps around 80. Have tested multiple dx12 games and vx2 stress test. Hope stays like that.
Coming back to this video, Even with the Bios update my CPU killed itself 3 days ago
meh... ignore the power limits, and just change the v-core voltages to say 1.35 max. U migh have to go to the LLC setting and choose a setting depening if u want the voltage to droop under load or not. on some motherboards the lowest values(1-10) droop more and on some the highest value droop more under load.
So now u are done.
yeah
I've been using a 13700F for over an year now without a BIOS update - not a single issue so far, temps under load can reach 100C for short periods but only 1.2-1.3V on average.
May update BIOS once Intel release the new microcode but only after I see tests.
Same with a 13600K bought in February.
13900k I've used for a few years on custom water. Voltages on latest bios is around 1.3v idle and 1.25 under load. The only thing I have tweaked with the latest bios is increasing my power limits since even under load my temps are under 75C.
14700k died. Would add that Asus seem to be producing some strange bios updates, lots of people saying. To avoid further issues, went with AMD on Aorus.
I have a slightly earlier bios version. I currently have voltage offset by -30mV (from day 1). Voltage peaks at 1.18v in cinebench r23 and manages a score of ~35500
Golden sample you got
@@Abra_Ka_Dabra_008 Unfortunately I think ive got the instability issue anyway. Cinebench runs fine but CS2 and fortnite have issues
@@slimjim2971 sorry to hear
14900k.... LImit power at 253w then undervolt to 0.800, and is Gold. (I'm averaging 1.2v per core with maximum performace)
I keep hearing bad things about ucode 129, so I stuck with ucode 125. I then undervolted by -.100v. It keeps my max VID and Vcore under 1.4v. It actually raised my R23 score from 35.5K to about 38.5K as well. Fingers crossed this keeps my 14900KF safe.
This is why everyone should learn to overclock and monitor voltage . I’ve had my 13700k since launch cores locked to 5.5 ghz at 1.32v and no issues since release date
The specs for my Inspiron 15 laptop, with 13th gen Intel 1355U, say "Power Supply: 65 Watt AC Adapter; Battery: 54Wh". Since it's not over 65W does that mean it's safe and doesn't need the microcode patch, or is this something completely different?
İ've been using my 13600KF with undervolting since day one. So no worries for me here. But this is a major problem and Intel is the one to blame. At least the warranty time is longer now. Shall I remove the UV and let it burn and replace with a new one?
hi, I have that same cpu, have you tried updating with the new microcode 0x129 ? should I undervolt it or do something else even after the update ?
I have a 14900K, an ASUS Maximum Z970 Dark Hero, and the latest 1402 BIOS with the 0x125 microcode update. I kept the AI Overclock Tuner set to AUTO and the DRAM frequency to DDR-6400 MHz. I see 6400 MHz in the memory section of the Performance tab in Windows Task Manager, so it appears stable with the AI Overclock Tuner at AUTO.
My 13700k was 1.25 volts. I set it to 1.35 with an offset -0.03. Great temp all core 5.4
Thanks for making this easy to find. I fount out about the issue the day after i got my cpu and am in the peocess of building my computer today so i wanted to know ehat settings to use to minimize degeneration.
14600K stable overclock @ 1.32V
p-cores 5300 => 5600 ghz
e-cores 4000 => 4400 ghz
limited by 80°C TJmax and 181W TDP
I set my max to 1.5v. If you limit to 1.2 it’s not stable. The highest stable max I could achieve was 1.42. During loading it always spikes.
1.5? Are you crazy or are you crazy?
Since you're a content creator have you noticed any changes/lagging or any other issues in any video or photo editing software, I'm interested in DaVinci Resolve, Lr, & Ps, that's what I use. I have the ASUS z690i & i9-13900k. I don't game so I don't tax my system as hard as someone who does. My temps at idle are 39C & when editing my temps top out at around 52C. All well within normal operational limits. Hence holding off on the update. I've been on the fence about doing the update since I read a review that stated it affected Adobe Premiere Pro by like 42%, as for games most were ok with a few taking a 2-4% hit in performance & a few that didn't perform so well. The article also went on to say it could have just been an anomaly with Adobe Premiere Pro at the time it was tested. If my editing software takes a hit & lags this is a non starter for me. I would like to do the update to protect my cpu long term but not at a cost of workflow interruptions. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
they are trying to fix xx900k series , not xx700k series .
that is why you see high voltage .
intel default setting is f up for xx700k series .
you can put max voltage limit (IA VR Voltage Limit) under cpu power management until they release the magical bios update IF IT BE TRUE
edit : as a xx700k user you should never see anything over 1.35 at all and that is high too.
My System 13900K Aorus Master Z790
I changed on Mainboard TPL 1 to 125 Watts and TPL 2 to 253 Watts like Intel recommend, no problems! My new Bisoupdate set both to 253 Watts and it causes crashes
Hi,
Just a question, im running an i5 13600KF processor atm the pc is 1 year old and bios has not been updated since i got the pc. I have ran the CinebenchR23 program with the HWinfo and my cpu voltage did not go above 1.23/1.24 the maximum. Would you still do a bios update regardless there is no issue with the CPU?
Thanks in advance
Power limit aint gonna fix this because the problem is with single core boost and a 14900k boosting on 2 cores to 6ghz does not exceed a 125W power limit. Set ratio limit per core to whatever your cpu goes on all core boost example with i9 14900k 2 cores go to 6ghz and 5,6ghz with all cores so u need to set all the cores with a limit 5,6ghz. Another thing you can do is set a core voltage limit but that depends what cpu you got for example with 14900k i would set 1,4V max
I use gigabyte z790 ud ax. In the Intel default settings, the voltage is high, the TDP usage time is long. offset undervolt does not work. Bench test score is low. I use the gigabyte optimization setting with undervolt. TDP unlimited and still much more efficient (better TDP times, uses less Watts) and better performance. of course the temperatures are also much better. for example intel settings cinebench watt usage continuous 253 w max voltage 1.4xx V, Gigabyte optimization setting and undervolt continuous 200W and still better performance max. voltage 1.268V.
I updated to the latest bios on MSI Z790 GAMING PRO WIFI for my i7-14700KF hoping it will resolve the crashing and bluescreens and unexpected shut downs. I just gave up and returned back to my MSI B550 Gaming Plus paired with AMD R9 5900x no issues at all. I just wasted a lot of money sadly on Z790 GAMING PRO WIFI and Intel CPU
13900K user here running on a Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X mobo and DDR4. No issues or a hint of any gliches at all. Although I'm not a gamer, I do run Handbrake a lot (Often for 1 hour+) and the CPU sure gets hot, but it simply throttles back and all remains well.
All the issues I've so far heard about seem to be on systems running DDR5 RAM. Could this be an issue that no-one seems to have considered.
it's too much voltage.
@@multiicore_ According to HWINFO, my CPU plods along quite happily at a PEAK of 1.384v when on sustained 100% Handbrake usage.
@@limitlesswave too much try undervolting.
Thank you for posting this. Just returned a 13th Gen i9 and got a replacement under warranty. Now I need fix the BIOS after an update failed with the faulty CPU - I could not access the BIOS after the update. I will try Q Flash plus in the Gigabyte Aero G Z790 before fitting the new Intel i9-14900K. The issue might have been the file name not being renamed to 'GIGABYTE.bin' on the USB - although every instruction suggested the rename only if updating without the CPU.
Well done for common sense and not treating those with 13th and 14th gen as lepers. Have had a 13700K and a 14900K, no issues though I always dropped voltage to a max of 1.325v as motherboard auto settings were always way too much. Just downloaded the latest MSI bios that dropped today and again no issues with my 14900K running nicely.
PS have you had issues with your 13th and 14th gen that you having been using on Tech Notice?
Out of curiosity is the stuff you mention in what to do after bios update. Does it effect the performance?
Updated my MSI motherboard to the latest and had to go back to the previous bios. My system started running hotter so hopefully the next bios update will be better off
Just as a notifier for my budget friends out there. You got an i5-13500, i5-13400, i3-13100. Don't worry your die size is at 215 square mm, you have an alder lake die and therefore are less affected by the so called "Raptor Lake issues".
@@xxzmk that's a relief 😅... (13500 user)
not affected at all*
What about us i5-14500 users??😅.
@@ashpatel1022 not affected at all. The 14500 is a higher clocked Alder Lake 13500. An insanely good chip.
@@xxzmk Actually, for the 13400F, stepping B0 is Raptor Lake, C0 is Alder Lake.
Interesting... the new BIOSes/microcodes gave me almost 5% boost in benchmarks, with slightly lower temps in-use (idle temps unchanged), and max core and cache voltages now barely kiss 1.3V at full bore.
Both my systems saw a similar performance gain (13700K on Asus Z790 and 13600K on Asus B760). I undervolt both as much as possible without performance loss, and don't overclock other than XMP. The update seems to obey my undervolt settings more strictly than before.
What bios settings did you do?
@@JayRSan13 Look up some undervolting guides. There's a lot of trial-and-error involved. It isn't as simple as copying someone else's BIOS settings.
Lock the P-Cores (limiting them all to same max possible clock, as close to "out of the box"), so that there is no single/dual-core boost. Reduce the CPU core voltage to about 1.35v (or lower).
Worst scenario, you might have to lower the "all P-Core clock" a hundred MHz less than stock. Which won't make any difference to whatever use (unless it's competitive benchmarking?) and the degradation is now drastically mitigated. ....as should've been done imediately when this problem appeared (IMO).
With a TDP of 125 W, the Core i9-11900K. This is a giant POS, I had to under-volt offset by -0.050v to -0.065v and enable all power limits or it will reach 90 - 100c and thermal throttle to hell. But now in underclocks to 4400mhz instead of maintaining the 4700mhz all core-clock. I have only noticed a difference in performance in Cinebench but zero difference in games.
We have 250 Dell's with these chips in.. Zero issues. Everything was correctly setup to begin with as they got it right out of the box. I have similar at home and guess what, i setup and updated the bios correctly.
One set of chips were bad... So what, not like amd didn't do that a few years ago or all the macbook keyboards broke for four years.
Intel's profile still overvolts up to 1.5 at times x129 Bios. There problem isn't resolved yet waiting for new bios.
We just Ordered the MSI Aegis R2 with the i9 1400f cpu not sure what motherboard but it has 32 gigs of ram and a 4070 graphics card the best card I have ever had. I have been using the i7 7700 cpu with 16 gigs of ram and a 1070 then went to a 1650 which is a downgrade. But I do have a psu of 850 watts from corsair. I just hope the new computer comes with an 850 or I might have to change it out.
My 14900K had instability since I got it but I never thought it was the problem until I had tried literally everything else and saw the intel news. Now it can’t even run at 5.7GHz , it still BSODs
Whole video is about how update bios. Nice this is what we need it. Well done.
Hope you have a support bracket for that Noctua cooler....
I am using gigabyte z790 aorus elite ddr4 + i7 14700k, for me Intel default 253W compare to gigabyte 280+W is still to high, lets set power package p1 and p2 on 200W both, you will have still above 30K in Cinebench r23 and temperature will be 10-15 degress less, maybe Vcore aswell. On Intel default profile from August 2024 I have 1.45v and 30K points, on Gigabyte optimization profile I have 1,36v and almost 34k points which is crazy.... (both tested on 200W limit), this Intel default profile decrease performance a lot.
The priority is performance and reliability. This channel covered both well.
Last bios up my voltage to 1.65V for 6ghz.... 1.55 for 5.8Ghz, it's a now way... temp are already rather crazy.
Alright.
Finaly succeeded with the Update on an Asus Strix 760-F. Alot of bluescreens afterwards, and the bios takes like 15-20 sec to get passed before starting the windows startup.
Really slow bios. Intel Baseline is in check, and XMP. I did get a few bluescreens at first, but finaly got that out of the way aswell.
14700k.
32GB Corsair Vengance 6000mhz.
2tb Corsair NVMe.
Corsair AIO 240mm.
As for cinebench, i seam to get about the same points, with the CPU capped at 90c.
Edit!: After a 1.35v cap in AI VR, was totally worth it. It maxes 82c. Instead of 90c (Or 105c uncapped). And i only lost from about 1792 too 1930 points in Cinebench.
Thanks @_Mystic1978_ for that tweek, apreciate it.
I'd rather be a lill bit slow, but within safe temparatures, than the other way around.
There is another small tweak in the bios that should be changed, i don't remember exactly how it's called but it has something to do with the cpu voltage, instead of auto change it to adaptive, in auto it will mostly stay at max voltage in idle for some reason then change when the cpu is used, but adaptive will use only what it needs when needed
probably vcore. adaptive with a negative offset is a good idea
I’ve not noticed any major spikes on mine, my core vid goes up to 1.470 and my vcore goes upto 1.420, this is when running multiple cinebench benchmarks. Still not applied the bios update though but probably will do today.
Are Intel Core Ultra 7 and 9 affected for the issue itself and is this update useful for those chips? I know they are a new architecture but effectively treated as 14 Gen too.
ONLY do this if you have a K ending on the CPU. Other plus the Mobile ones like HX are not faulty.
I have 14900k and i locked all P cores 5600 and E cores 4400 with global adaptive voltage 0.100 i use pc only for gaming and zero issues and i get like 70C on most cpu demanding games i use rtx4090 strix as well and managed to get 39700 cinebench score with this set up as well
Hi, very good video. Very well explained. In June I bought an i 9 14900k, I didn't know about the errors that they present. I was thinking about building my PC, but with all that. Do you think I should continue building the PC with that processor or should I look for another one? It is an investment what one makes to the other components. 🎉🎉🎉help…. !
I’m not sure why this happened. When I entered the BIOS to update it to the latest version, I followed the instructions in the video. After waiting as the video suggested, a message popped up saying I needed to restart. I didn’t press "OK" right away, and the screen went black. According to the video, it should have shown the AMI screen to press F1, but it didn’t. Instead, it went straight to BIOS EZ Flash.
At first, I didn’t think it was a big deal. However, when I set everything up and saved and exited, it looped back to the BIOS again. I found a suggestion on UA-cam to enable CSM, but that didn’t work either. Feeling desperate, I reinstalled the BIOS, and somehow that fixed the issue.
I don’t know if anyone else has experienced the same situation, but I just wanted to share my experience. Thanks😅
Thanks for the information.
I actually did something similar manually a few months ago with my 13700K -
Instead of bios update, I changed the bios settings manually to PL1 and PL2 253W, and ICCMAX to 307A.
Also disabled the 'Enhance multi core performance'.
I wonder if I should also update the bios, or what I did is basically the same thing.
But I think I'll update the bios mid August at this point, when intel release the new microcode.
i also capped my power limits to 230watts from bios, because over 230watts, my air cooler cant keep temps below 90... also, instead of updating bios again and again, i am just waiting for intel microcode update (i am scared of bios update lol)
brute forcing a voltage limit is also a fine way of tuning, but itll ofc take some trial and error with benching for stability, nice vid! (no pun)
Why do I get the same 31K in R23 on my 13900K as you with 14700K? I can't believe they have equal level of performance, at least before all these microcode updates they have around 4-5K difference. Intel Optimized Defaults, just set IA VR to 1350.
WHAT PEOPLE DONT SEEM TO BE POINTING OUT IS THAT , WE GOT ARE 13 AND 14900K BASED ON A PERFORMANCE ADVERTISED , WITH LASTEST ASUS BIOS YOU GET HUGE PERFORMANCE LOSS OVER OLDER SETTINGS , IN SOME CASES, GAMING MOSTLY 12900K PERFORMANCE , YOU DONT SEE 6GIG MAYBE FIR FRACTION OF SEC WHEN COU IS PRETTY IDLE MORE LIKE 5.2G
I just went full on safe mode until the bios update. Underclocked my 13600K to 4,5 GHz / 3,5 GHz and disabled xmp. And the performance drop is not even that huge, I have 21k in cinebench r23 multicore (instead of 23k stock) and 1750 single core (I don't remeber the original number but it was something colse to 2000). Temps and power consumption dropped even more, 60C max on AK620 and 100W under full load. And maximum Vcore is now 1,08V instead of stock 1,3V. This is obviously an overkill, but I probably won't go back to stock settings after the update, something like 4,8 GHz (P) / 3,7 GHz (E) seems perfectly fine for me, while not pushing the chip to its limits.
PS. My cpu is also slightly undervolted since the begging with vf curve points (- 90mV at max frequency) and with lite load set to mode 6.
Only 100W with 13600k. I got 13500, and it draws around 150W, and when I undervolt it, it becomes unstable.