I’ve had 2 Raptor Lake CPU’s go bad on me. One 13900k and one 14900ks. 13900k was diagnosed as just “bad cpu” at microcenter, and then the 14900ks was diagnosed as “bad due to microcoding issue” also at Microcenter. Luckily, the cpu went bad on me just under 3 months so microcenter replaced it for free, and installed the microcode update that was released a short time ago. I have since switched to a new pc with a 7950x3d, and so far I’m impressed with the stability and performance. I definitely won’t rule out Intel in the future but for now I’m AMD.
@@DingleBerryschnapps my suggestion to you is to stop being a lunatic intel fanboy that shifts the blame of Intel's defective products onto the customers and talks people into remaining on bad platforms because it doesn't suit _your_ fanboy bias.
I just bought an i5 14600K 14th gen a few days ago. This is my first time ever building my own PC, and the timing of me discovering this potential problem couldn’t have been better and worse. Luckily I haven’t started the build yet, but knowing my CPU could potentially have a serious issue already is alarming to say the least. I’m just hoping mine will be normal at this point lol. Some people were telling me since I’m starting from scratch buying that one specifically would be good, but now I’m second guessing that.
With the new microcode update and it being an i5, the odds of you running into issues are extremely low. If anything you got it at the right time as no damage would have been done to your CPU
The Microcode update isn't a true fix, the CPU's still spike to an unacceptably high voltage, but do so in shorter spurts. Intel did the update this way so that it retains the same performance, but the CPU's will still degrade, just at a slower pace - and they think they will only start failing after the warranty period is over. And then there is the oxidation issues inherent to these CPU's I highly suggest taking back that CPU and getting an AM5 motherboard and processor - it offers the best gaming chips anyways, such as the 7800X3D.
Just undervolt ur cpu and you won't have an issue. I have been running my 13600k at 5.6ghz all core at 1.28V and never had any issues. The problem is that at stock settings, some of the higher end CPUs would request 1.6V.
@@ProVishGaming For one, people don't buy the 7800X3D for multicore, they buy it because it has THE BEST gaming performance period. Two, your claims about it's MT performance is outlandishly false, the 14600K is around 10% better in MT according to TechPowerUp's review charts of the 14600K, but falls on average 15% short of the 7800X3D in gaming, which is _what the X3D cpu's are designed for you_ . You are a raging intel fanboy that literally has to make up fake figures because you're blinded by making a company your entire personality.
Overblown is terrible way to describe it. It's not about the fault itself, it's the anti consumer way it was handled, and still is being "handled" to this day...
@@rameezsheikh7576 yikes man, yeah we've had a similar issue where i worked, because the ihs was scratched and they couldnt see the serial number. that customer ended up taking them to small claims court lmao
The reason why I pick Intel is that AMD CPUs confuse me. They have ones that are designated for gaming and others that are designated for productivity / video editing, etc. I want one CPU that does both well, and Intel is that for me.
I mean, any new high-end CPU is going to be great in gaming and productivity. While the 7800X3D is faster than the 7950X in gaming, the 7950X is so fast that it doesn't matter much, especially if you play on 1440P or 4K. Any new 6 core (or more) CPU is plenty fast. already.
In March I updated my Core i5-13500 to a Core i7-14700 (both were non-K). With those two CPUs running for about two years, I have had ZERO issues at all. My upgrade from the i5 bumped the multi-threaded performance by about 55%. I run fairly complex programs, for example training Machine Learning programs with Tensorflow/Keras and Pytorch. Normally I run these on the GPU if I can but have also run things like RESNET50 training on CPU with zero issue. Yes power draw is a problem but that's a known problem with Intel CPUs. But the performance of the i7 is amazing for the money paid. I found the CPU on a deal for $369 which was significantly cheaper than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D at the time. Sure the Ryzen can game a little faster (do I really care about 170 fps vs 180fps if my monitor maxes at 120Hz? No.) but with 28 threads vs 16 threads on the Ryzen, it's no contest between the i7 and Ryzen 7. Intel wins every time on multi-threading and for things I do CPU multi-threading is still important.
I made sure to update bios to 0x12B and switch PL1 to 125W and PL2 253W. That for sure lowered temps and volts. Seem's to be more stable and although my cinebench R23 score dropped to 25,000 from 31,000. Despite my lower cinebench score, my gaming performance and editing time has not been affected. My temp's have gone from 85-95C to 60-70C under load. I wish Intel had these settings out the box but better late than never.
Is that the only thing you did? Just made Turbo Limits - Enable and put this 2 changes? Anything else as undervoltage? I am with 13600k and i am fine by now, but i am undervolted to 0.025 and my PL1 and PL2 are 170. I also didnt blast the ram, but keep it 5600mhz. The trick is with the Intel Default Settings, which are for WATER COOLING, i think. You can change them to ,,Spec" or the one for Air Cooling and then CPU is better with temps.
i'll stick with my intel i9 12900ks setup. i don't need these big fps numbers to game and have a good time playing. pc does everything i need it to do.
I have a 13700KF and have no plans to change it in the near future. Ive had it with undervolt and good cooling from the get go. And Ive updated my mobo with the BIOS that includes the microcode that is supposed to fix the death issues. Only time will tell if it works or not. As you said, the power consumption is the only thing I can really complain about. But I knew about it when I bought it
Same here mate. I knew the power consumption was pretty rough before I bougth my 13700K. But for video editing, it seems to be pretty good on power. I might upgrade when Arrow Lake drops (depending if Intel have made significant gains).
Same. I use intel 13700 non K for my editing and making $$$ because of Quicksync and its IGPU. It's a bummer these issues coming. Been using mine for 8 months, no noticeable issue. If AMD can match the Quicksync, it would be my choice for next upgrade.
I had a 12600k die on me 2 months ago, probably because I used it as this 5700x pc im using!meaning 24/7 and it was installed on a h610m mobo!having had 2600/2700x/5700x/5800x and those pcs Never Ever died on me although using it 24/7!10400f did the same thing as the 12600k... watching yt and 1-2-3 it died in front of me!used Thermalright cpu coolers on both!
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 I have to be honest. Intel and motherboard partners sucks at default settings. You have to undervolt it before using. That's what I do before using the computer
I am sticking with AMD, not through any loyalty, but that I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on the AM4 and AM5 platforms, and that knowledge is adequate for my purposes. That said, my gaming laptop an i5-11400H, and I wouldn't jave a problem with an Intel CPU in a laptop.
I think the Intel situation, is true "to an extent" and I'm grateful for the journalist that covered it and fought for consumers to have support from Intel. The issue I have with this entire debacle is that "the total volume and proportion" of CPUs affected are hidden from us. A game server company says Intel i9 13th and 14th gen have 50% crash rates. Ok then cool. But suddenly a few weeks after, the other SKUs are involved too. But for the other SKUs, no solid number has been given, and vague mentions of crashes and failures are remarked which is very unhelpful. When Puget mentions that they have more AMD Ryzens failing, that's when all hell breaks loose. It seems that for the ordinary computer users who doesn't use their computer 24/7 at full speed (like a server), Ryzens seem to have more failure rates. But because Zen 5 release was just around the corner a lot of journalists and media didn't cover it because they want to be in AMDs good grace so they can review the newer CPUs. At the end of the day, those with Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs that still work, get that motherboard BIOS update, and continue using your computer. Learn you warranty rights from Intel or your CPU sellers. For the moment, this important issue has devolved into drama and click baiting amongst journalistic media.
I agree. But I don't really care how many chips are affected. I only care about my chip. As far as the other skus being added later. That's just Intel covering their bases. There was a graph that was put out that showed which chips were affected the most. I7s were a very small sliver of the pie whereas the i-9s made up almost the entire graph.
I bought a 13600k with asrock z790 pg lightning mobo and 32 gb ddr5 5200 mhz corsair ram. I immediately updated bios to 0x12B after installing w11. No problems for now, i have a 240 aio with very good temps on idle, cinebench and gaming. I saw some weird values on bios by default : icc max 511 AMP, and pl1, pl2 253W. Im running all stock after update with the bios default profile and LLC level 3. I had no diference on benchmarks/gaming performance after update , only a slight decrease on vcore and temps with icc 200 AMP and pl1 , pl2 181W. I had a 6700k since 2015, the upgrade was amazing. I also have the lga 1700 cpu bracket from thermalgrizzly, i recommend it .
I upgraded to a 14700K from a 12700K... honestly, there isn't much difference unless i'm exporting video out of premiere. Hardly any difference gaming.
@@marsMayflower there is a difference in gaming by a noticeable margin i7 14700k is faster than a i9 12900k when it comes to gaming and productivity and you are here comparing it with a i7 12700k
My first 14700k died within a month. I'm on my second now and its still alive at month like... 8. Ironically, my first cpu I undervolted, my second I didn't. Also my first appeared to be a better bin. It could maintain 5.5ghz during cinebench for example. My current 14700k cannot. But it also works, so I guess it gets some points for that.
@@portman8909 What are you talking about? My first 14700k was bought at launch, it had the necessary bios updates to support it obviously, and it died within a month. The one that continued working yeah it has had bios updates but why is that relevant? EDIT: Oh you mean, frequency wise? Yeah no, it was always like that. But meh, its purpose is gaming. cinebench scores aren't all that important.
I've been using my 13600k with a 3080 for gaming since about May last year. It's been rock solid and temps are usually around 60 - 75'c depending on the game. I don't see the point in swapping to AM5 right now as it will be a lot of money for not a lot of performance gain. Maybe I'll go with AMD next time though, depending on what CPUs are good at the time.
I purchase high end CPUs for their default performance, not overclocking ability. I doubt this issue would affect users who stick with vanilla performance settings, at least as much.
As a family member who works at the Oregon facility… big things coming ..these are the people that work on chips 5-7 years before production .. end of 2027 will be chips off the new high N.A. machines ! I’m excited
I'm dealing with persistent issues on my 13900K, where peak VIDs reach over 1.7V at idle, likely due to microcode discrepancies. Additionally, my Z690 Hero motherboard stubbornly refuses to update beyond Version 2602, no matter what I try. What's even more frustrating is the Intel ME firmware, which, despite numerous attempts using the MEUpdateTool in Windows to upgrade to version 16.1.27.2176, annoyingly reverts to version 16.1.25.2020 after every reboot. This glitch also messes with the BIOS updates, as the system keeps failing to update the Intel ME firmware during each attempt. Due to these relentless issues, I’ve decided to RMA both the CPU and motherboard.
@@valentinosgsxr Thanks for the suggestion! I’ve tried tuning the BIOS, but the issue persists. The main problem is that every time I try to update the BIOS, it attempts to update the Intel ME firmware, showing the message 'ME firmware is updating,' and then it just keeps rebooting without completing the update. Because of this, I'm stuck using a very old BIOS version-my Z690 Hero won't update to anything newer than Version 2602. Unfortunately, I believe running the CPU on such outdated microcode from this old BIOS has caused it to degrade, leading to the high VID spikes I'm seeing at idle.
@@saman5986 You are welcome. Being unable to flash BIOS is another problem and it is unacceptable. Whatever is preventing you has to be faulty. But, this is not preventing you from tweaking the BIOS you already run. In fact, of the system is undervolted, it doesn't need 0x129 or any other fix for that matter.
Are laptop processors also experiencing elevated voltage issues? I have an i5-13420H with max TDP of 45W. Should I be concerned about a microcode update?
I recently got 13700k updated bios and have custom voltage offset and lite load and the cpu never goes past 1.290 voltage and really happy with gaming performance, was a huge upgrade from 10700k in modern games edit - 7800x3D in my country is 100 $ more expensive and any decent mobo's similar to intel counterpart are also way too expensive here.
I'm in Canada and had instability issues with my i7 13700k with BSOD and lockups. After a few tests with intel it was determined I had a defective CPU. It took three weeks to the day to receive my replacement from Kentucky which should have taken no more than 3 or 4 days tops. Intel insists on using UPS which is a real mess, losing and redirecting my CPU holding delivery up for a week, then intel insisting I send in my CPU within 14 days or be cancelled when they received it the previous day....This company is so incompetent it's ridiculous and it's no wonder they're in the shitstorm they're in now. I will NEVER buy intel again. After 30 years, this is a colossal screw up and AMD is now the leader of the pack. Intel flat out sucks and isn't to be trusted.
Overblown is a really bad way of describing the issue. Intel to put it bluntly shit the bed with 2 generations of cpu's. Then followed it up with with their anti consumer practicies. They've been vague at best answering questions, and slow to try to fix the problem. There's been no recall, people have been denied RMA's for stupid reasons and they're still selling potentially faulty cpu's to people who don't know about the issues.
It's a really bad take to say that these issues have been "slightly over blown" by people "for clicks". This is not an issue that can be "slightly overblown". the tech sites and channels calling out Intel have a responsibility and job to call out major hardware issues that cause *permanent damage* to a system that cost hundreds of dollars just for the CPU alone. They have a responsibility to use the information to inform and protect consumers as much as possible. Nobody is reasonably going to be upset that you're sticking with Intel for your specific needs, that's all fine, but don't somehow downplay the necessity of informing people about why these products are very flawed, and that 99.9% of people should steer far away from 13th and 14th gen CPU's if they aren't already stuck on that platform.
???????????? If you set your own voltages, you will never have any issue with 13th or 14th gen. They are over blown for clicks. People should buy 13th gen unless if they wanna buy an inferior product from AMD.
@@ProVishGaming This is an absolutely asinine take. Intel sold defective products to millions of people that degrade out of the box, both due to _OXIDATION_ and _OVERVOLTING._ and you have the nerve to somehow think Intel is "superior" to AMD. in your sheer delusion, you are expecting people to predict how terrible these CPU's are with voltage spikes from the start and correct it, but then truly correcting the issue by preventing unacceptably high voltage spikes suddenly the CPU's will simply *not perform how they are marketed to perform* . Not even the current microcode update is a true fix, because it has same issue with spiked voltages, but does it in shorter spurts to maintain benchmark performance. It's extremely deceptive because the CPU's will still degrade on people, just more slowly. You simply have no basis to claim "AMD makes inferior products", it makes you look buffoonish raging intel fanboy, all while the 13th and 14th gen CPU's are literally self-destructing on people.
@@ProVishGaming you cannot do undervolting with a B or H series motherboard. You can only do it with a Z series. New Z790 motherboards costs almost as much as some of the midrange CPUs themselves.
@@ProVishGaming This is an absolutely horrid take. Intel sold defective products to millions of people that degrade out of the box, both due to oxidation and overvolting. yet, you have the gall to somehow think Intel is "superior" to AMD. In your crazed fanboy mentality, you are expecting people to predict the future by 1.5 years about how terrible these CPU's are with voltage spikes from the start and manually correct it. Do you even think about how unreasonable this is? From the get go, Intel pushed these CPU's to market them as being "Fast", but correcting the issue by preventing unacceptably high voltage spikes under any circumstance suddenly means the CPU's will simply not perform how they are marketed to perform. Not even the current microcode update is a true fix, because it has same issue with spiked voltages, but does it in shorter spurts to maintain benchmark performance. It's extremely deceptive because the CPU's will still degrade on people, just more slowly. You simply have no basis to claim "AMD makes inferior products", it makes you look raging intel fanboy, all while the 13th and 14th gen CPU's are literally self-destructing on people.
@@HM-rz8nv If you leave it on auto, yes it will die even with the new microcode updates. But when you tune it, and put an IA VR Voltage Limit, you will be fine. Yes its completely unacceptable to even ship it like this, but people that know how to set voltages shouldn't have an issue.
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I n t e l basically produced very few processors after 4770k: 6700k , 12700k and 155h Taking a 6700k from 90w to 250 watts and then calling it 11700k is not valid. There was a time I n t e l claimed it would void your warranty if you overclocked that high. Now, it sells the overclocks once deemed to be futile and dangerous for cpu's survivabiliy, as new cpus. PS. Likewise 13700k and 14700k are only high overclocks of 12700k.
Stockholm syndrome. You shouldn't stick with anyone, you go with the most cost-efficient, or performant, or ethical or whatever option is important to you. I built a system with a 12100F and a 5500 at around the same time because they both made sense for the use cases. I run a 5700X3D on my own right right now due to cost-performance. I see no reason to upgrade to AM5 due to it's teething issues and bad cost-performance. Saying anything else is manic.
@@donny5707 doesn't make sense since those have massively different single core performance numbers. My cpu and the 7700s single core are almost the same Mine has 6 cores and the 7700 has 4. Bought it for 24$ too
@footballtalk4857 are you an idiot? I edit videos all the time and it's no faster on a ryzen 5500 as it is on a 14900k, people just say that because they are stupid 💀
I don't think you can call this overblown, since people and businesses have been waiting for about half a year waiting for a response from Intel, and it basically disappeared from the news until Level1 Techs and Gamers Nexus re-shone a light with receipts on what was going on. It will be interesting case study, to see how your CPU will fare in the coming years, or for how long you keep it. Fingers crossed that it doesn't fail on you.
Yea sooo, I definitely would NOT call it a “bug” lol. More so incompetence and lack of giving af by Intel, followed by even more lack of communication by mobo manufacturers. Really pretty simple imo.
I have been running my 13600k at 5.6 GHz at 1.28V. I never let my CPU run at stock voltages, because that's what killed the CPU. Some of the higher end CPUs would request 1.5, 1.6V which is DEADLY. This whole thing has been overblown, and people that regulated their voltages never had an issue in the first place.
what about the people who don't even have the option to undervolt in their BIOS because they have a B-series motherboard? Undervolting is only supported on the Z-series motherboards.
@@mikem9536 yeah so your solution is just throwing money at the problem, for a screw up that we didn't cause. I shouldn't have to spend 30% of the budget of my current build to fix a problem that I didn't even cause.
In my opinion, I think you are incorrect and I don't think the situation with Intel is overblown at all. I also think it is irresponsible to say this is overblown as well. When Intel realised there was a problem, they were not upfront about it. Also, don't forget this issue goes back to mid-2023. Intel let a lot of people and organisations waste their time on troubleshooting when they were fully aware of the issues. More importantly, these voltage issues can permanently damage your processor. I think you need to spend some time researching this topic. I am extremely glad that other UA-camrs have been shining a light on these issues, as I was one of those people having problems. Now, in terms of your title - I recently purchased a new Desktop with an Intel 14G processor - it would be insane for me to switch to AMD. But...if I had to buy a new Computer...it definitely would not be Intel.
I just stopped buying new computers and stick with 2nd hand PCs on offerup. I love my Pentium M's, Pentium 4's, Dual-Cores, Duo 2's, and so forth. They can still do modern things just fine with Windows XP, 7, or Linux.
Yeah, I prefer AMD because they have better efficiency at gaming and heavy loads, as well as being cheaper (for AM4 which is what i have) and having more features in midrange level boards; but for your use case intel is better because their quicksync works way better than amd's igpu encoder, plus intel is more efficient than amd at light loads due to using a monolithic design. Just be a bit careful with what voltage spikes your cpu has been getting.
Don't reward bad behavior. They are the reason the CPU market was stagnant for years. I have done a ton of 4k and 8k video editing off of my canon R5 using my AMD 7860X. It does just fine without Quick Sync.
I haven't rewarded their bad behaviour. The reason why Intel were stagnant with their innovation is because they had no competition from AMD. FX was a joke. This is why competition is very important for any market, not just CPUs. Look at what is happening with Zen 5, no substanbtial improvement because AMD know Intel isn't as much as a threat anymore - particually on the gaming front. This is on Intel for not being a compelling enough option for gamers imo. As for your CPU setup, you are comparing a $1400 HEDT chip to consumer socket processors. I should hope it does just fine without QuickSync.
@@SeanBotha Of course yes, it's the users fault that intel sold processors that had literal corrosion issues that were amplified by their own neglect allowing motherboards to pull infinite voltage, yes.. it's all the buyers fault.. you're so stupid.
@@SeanBothaWhile this is true, and if u know what ur doing u should be fine. Although Intel extremely dropped the ball and their incompetence is vast, while lack of communication and/or bad messaging to mobo manufacturers are the 2 main reasons for this failure.
I was probably a victim of the oxidation issue, 13900K degraded, BSOD crashes after a few months of solid stability usage. Intel replaced, no hassle or questions asked in March 2023 when I RMAed. Even with this issue, I still think the reporting is a bit hysterical, I haven’t had any issues since. Intel 12th Gen is also a better choice for building your own NAS because of superior idle power consumption, my old 12900K is in a TrueNAS build.
why is this issue not so big in in UK , My 13900k has not blue screened once , However its only 7 month old , An its a 45l OMEN , An with HPs Bio's is pretty much locked down , though it has improved , My point is HP in themselves hardly overclock to max like ASUS motherboards to blast volts , causing nasty spikes on these CPUs , However you can overclock CPU from omen command software , ! Which i have choose to leave alone ,,,,,,, i learned my lesson with omen 30l with 10900k , boy you could overclock these CPUs they where bullet proof if you had a good RADIATOR/COOLER , which mine was to small an sounded like a spitfire ......
Most people stick with Intel because they just buy a prebuilt PC and run it until it breaks or gets replaced with another one. This is only reinforced by Intel only using a motherboard platform for two iterations of chip. TLDR you go Intel you get stuck with what ya got.
I won't rule out intel again. Previously had intel builds. But right now, if you are choosing, then AMD makes more sense on price, power consumption, and quality. Arguably performance too when it comes to just gaming. If you already bought into intel, then it's best to stick with it.
Intel certainly aren’t going anywhere. They will bounce back with Arrow Lake (I’m fairly certain they will). If Intel and AMD are both offering great CPUs. We all win🙌
stick with mine 12900KS hot but gold😆 another CPUs i5 13400 works fine i3 13100T fine i don't own any higher tier 13 or 14 gen but these which i have are fine
Legally, shouldn't you disclose that you have a commercial interest, an Amazon store link, and that you peddle Intel products like? I don't see 'contains advertising' in your video disclosure, so I've reported it to UA-cam.
yes for gaming amd is certainly the best now but you can undervolt your i7 13700k or i7 14700k for less power consumption and heat output compared to stock settings with minimal to no loss in gaming performance at all and yes in productivity intel is just better compared to amd processors my i7 14700k im running it with the latest bios with the microcode fix but i didnt have any problems on it even before it and im not using intel defaults im using asus oc profile but with my own manually tuned settings which includes undervolting and locking cores and my processor runs cooler and more efficient and is almost as good as a 7800 x3d when comes to performance in gaming its not that far behind i could overclock it and it will perform better than 7800 x3d in most games but i guess its not worth the extra power it will consume and more heat output though but yes if you oc your i7 14700k it does beat 7800 x3d in most games just not at stock settings or out of the box settings same goes for the i9 14900k it will only beat the beast of a gaming 7800 x3d cpu if you overclock it not at stock or out of the box settings.
Been running a 14900KF since launch, haven't had a thing go wrong with it yet (touch wood). I think mine is in good health coz i learned early on with my old 12900K that using Asus' auto-overclocking setting in the motherboard BIOS caused instability issues with RAM. So i always had that setting disabled from the getgo when I upgraded to the 14900KF. I've ran a few stability tests after the new microcode update and everything passed fine. Hopefully it stays that way. Although I think it would be a nice gesture of good will if Intel were to setup a trade-in program with its retail partners. So that people who bought a 13000 or 14000 series CPU can get a bit of money off the Core Ultra 200 CPU's when they trade in their old one against it.
@@jovanienarag3092 Intel has a tool for it themselves that you can run. There are also a ton of benchmarks you can run. If the CPU crashes/blue screens during any of the tests, there’s a chance that it has degraded
Funny how everyone piles onto Intel when they have an issue, but there was crickets from the tech channels on here when the AMD R9-5950X had their massive number of people with BSOD Thermal issues. Just do a search for it. Many thousands of threads on the Internet. AMD was deleting posts on their forums when they first released the 5950X to try to cover it up. I happened to be an early buyer of the 5950, and mine had continual BSOD issues, even just looking at Task Manager would do it. No fix from AMD. No recall. The 5950 will sit there and constantly spike up to 100% usage and over thermal and BSOD with even the smallest app running. This is guaranteed to eventually kill the silicon. Replacements do the same thing.
Same, the hub can continue to ride amd all they want im not gonna stop using intel just csuse they had one bad gen, im on an 11900k overclocked and its perfect, even tho those youtube crybabies kept crying about 100c temps which i have never seen, cannot waitnto upgrade to the 15th gen 285k
@@ProYamYamPC heh, i don't believe your a fanboy in spite of my criticism towards the framing of the degradation issues. however, some actually crazy fanboys certainly came out of the woodworks for this video :D . How insecure they must be that they have to seek validation by someone who wants to keep their 13700K.
@@HM-rz8nv Yeah it is pretty wild. I respect your approach to my takes in this video. More of a let's agree to disagree sorta thing. I think the PC gaming community could benefit from this rigth about now
Same I can't help it. Intel does everything I need and ive tested so many builds this generation. I don't need mainstream opinions telling me what works better or doesn't. I've tested and nvidia/intel have better handshaking it's just a fact. They seek to work better together. Like idc what an overlay tells me either I go by how it functions in real world use and it just works. Also now we know what to look for and what to do to not have the issues happen. I have my cpu set so it doesn't go over 1.4volts. It hasn't crashed a single time. It hasn't done anything. The microcode is nice but I still went in manually and luckily no issues. I did get a new intel processor right after so it's been nice. Put my old one in my other build. I'm using 13th gen also. It also is over blown real users are out there and believe me if it eas as mass thwy would do a recall but if it's under 25% they won't do that especially if it's only a 13900k or 14900k 50% of the time compared to the others. We have a group of like 10k people and only 2 in that group on discord had issues. I mean come on. That's bevause in our group it's all real users not fake accounts or people pretending to have an intel and have issues. People believe everpost ever and it's crazy af.
Except the 13900K uses 200-250W more on average, needing a PSU upgrade just for the CPU, so you should factor that into cost as well, as well as higher running costs over lifetime. All that for less performance and a higher buy price.
@@ArchOfficial Really? The 13900K is almost three times faster then the 7800x3d. Even if you limit it to 100W is still will probably be faster. Now imagine that you are shoving 250W to a 7800x3d, what do you thing is going to happen?
Just explained that my computer keeps having problems. I can't solve it and seemingly come out of nowhere. Will Intel replace my I9? I was watching this thinking their stock is so low. I'd like to invest, but now I understand why. I appreciate this content.
I had to rma my 13900k a few weeks back. It was crashing a lot. General instability, the intel rma went smooth, and i got my replacement with the standard rma in 8 days. I haven't put it into my system yet and probably won't cause i switched over to AMD with a 7800x3d. Probably wont be going for intel for a long time now. Was looking forward to Arrow Lake, but even if my rma went smooth, i dont really trust them anymore.
@@ProYamYamPCIntel f** up yes! but in general Intel runs much better with windows and general programms. also the motherboards have much less issues due to microcode from intel is superior
Most of you have far too much cpu for your needs. I have no idea what non-professionals do with 13900k and 14900k. It's absurd. You don't need that much cpu to game with.
I’ve had 2 Raptor Lake CPU’s go bad on me. One 13900k and one 14900ks. 13900k was diagnosed as just “bad cpu” at microcenter, and then the 14900ks was diagnosed as “bad due to microcoding issue” also at Microcenter. Luckily, the cpu went bad on me just under 3 months so microcenter replaced it for free, and installed the microcode update that was released a short time ago.
I have since switched to a new pc with a 7950x3d, and so far I’m impressed with the stability and performance. I definitely won’t rule out Intel in the future but for now I’m AMD.
7950X3D is so far better than anything Intel has and for less than half of the actual power draw...
My suggestion is to improve your computer skills so you can avoid having issues with your CPUs, and having to waste money switching platforms.
@@DingleBerryschnapps sir yes sir 🤡
@@DingleBerryschnapps my suggestion to you is to stop being a lunatic intel fanboy that shifts the blame of Intel's defective products onto the customers and talks people into remaining on bad platforms because it doesn't suit _your_ fanboy bias.
@@ahmetrefikeryilmaz44327800X3D is better IMO, love both.
I just bought an i5 14600K 14th gen a few days ago. This is my first time ever building my own PC, and the timing of me discovering this potential problem couldn’t have been better and worse. Luckily I haven’t started the build yet, but knowing my CPU could potentially have a serious issue already is alarming to say the least. I’m just hoping mine will be normal at this point lol. Some people were telling me since I’m starting from scratch buying that one specifically would be good, but now I’m second guessing that.
With the new microcode update and it being an i5, the odds of you running into issues are extremely low. If anything you got it at the right time as no damage would have been done to your CPU
The Microcode update isn't a true fix, the CPU's still spike to an unacceptably high voltage, but do so in shorter spurts. Intel did the update this way so that it retains the same performance, but the CPU's will still degrade, just at a slower pace - and they think they will only start failing after the warranty period is over. And then there is the oxidation issues inherent to these CPU's
I highly suggest taking back that CPU and getting an AM5 motherboard and processor - it offers the best gaming chips anyways, such as the 7800X3D.
@@HM-rz8nv but 7800x3d is 40% slower in multicore compared to 14600k.
Just undervolt ur cpu and you won't have an issue. I have been running my 13600k at 5.6ghz all core at 1.28V and never had any issues. The problem is that at stock settings, some of the higher end CPUs would request 1.6V.
@@ProVishGaming For one, people don't buy the 7800X3D for multicore, they buy it because it has THE BEST gaming performance period. Two, your claims about it's MT performance is outlandishly false, the 14600K is around 10% better in MT according to TechPowerUp's review charts of the 14600K, but falls on average 15% short of the 7800X3D in gaming, which is _what the X3D cpu's are designed for you_ .
You are a raging intel fanboy that literally has to make up fake figures because you're blinded by making a company your entire personality.
it is like the stockholm syndrome i believe
Overblown is terrible way to describe it. It's not about the fault itself, it's the anti consumer way it was handled, and still is being "handled" to this day...
and it's been months. months without an answer. btw, never buy an msi motherboard
Intel rejected my i9-13900k RMA request because of Some scratches on IHS, Which Actually...... Don't have anything to do with Bluescreen !!!!😂
@@jacobgaysawyer337btw, why not msi?
@@rameezsheikh7576 yikes man, yeah we've had a similar issue where i worked, because the ihs was scratched and they couldnt see the serial number. that customer ended up taking them to small claims court lmao
@@jacobgaysawyer337 What's wrong with MSI ? I've ran several without issues, so i'm curious why you think people shouldn't buy them.
The reason why I pick Intel is that AMD CPUs confuse me. They have ones that are designated for gaming and others that are designated for productivity / video editing, etc. I want one CPU that does both well, and Intel is that for me.
And that's fair enough, but I only do gaming mainly so the 7800x3D made the most sense.
I mean, any new high-end CPU is going to be great in gaming and productivity. While the 7800X3D is faster than the 7950X in gaming, the 7950X is so fast that it doesn't matter much, especially if you play on 1440P or 4K. Any new 6 core (or more) CPU is plenty fast. already.
@@lycanthoss 7950x cost about $419, I just bought a 14700k new from micro center for $232
@@delanescott7872 That uhh seems like an insane price for a brand new 14700K? But make sure to update BIOS.
AMD is a lesser product, majority of the time, period.
You think an i7 14700F would be as prone to issues with pre 2018 game recording and streaming as well as video and image editing?
Im using the intel core i5 10400F even to know that the CPU is a bit old Its still good for a lot of stuff and should last me for a couple more years.
Old...im still siting on i7 4790k 😊
I went from an i5 4590 to i5 10400 then to now a r7 7800x3D. Biggest uplift I've had yet, CPU is insanely fast.
@@ukaszpiotrkwiatkowski2287 omg same
@@ukaszpiotrkwiatkowski2287I'm still using an i5-4210U
If you don't have issues that don't mean there are non, my 13600k is crashing like crazy.
I acknowledged this in the video
@@ProYamYamPC 🤓
@@ZERARCHIVE2023where do you find the need to express your true emotions contained in the emoji "🤓"?
In March I updated my Core i5-13500 to a Core i7-14700 (both were non-K). With those two CPUs running for about two years, I have had ZERO issues at all. My upgrade from the i5 bumped the multi-threaded performance by about 55%. I run fairly complex programs, for example training Machine Learning programs with Tensorflow/Keras and Pytorch. Normally I run these on the GPU if I can but have also run things like RESNET50 training on CPU with zero issue. Yes power draw is a problem but that's a known problem with Intel CPUs. But the performance of the i7 is amazing for the money paid. I found the CPU on a deal for $369 which was significantly cheaper than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D at the time. Sure the Ryzen can game a little faster (do I really care about 170 fps vs 180fps if my monitor maxes at 120Hz? No.) but with 28 threads vs 16 threads on the Ryzen, it's no contest between the i7 and Ryzen 7. Intel wins every time on multi-threading and for things I do CPU multi-threading is still important.
100%, for productivity workloads, the i7 is the better choice. Also, as it's a non-K model, your power consumption should be great!
I am with 75hz Monitor and i have 750 FPS on Counter Strike 2. 13600k CPU, Aourus Z790, RTX 3060 (12gb), DDR5 on 5600mhz.
I made sure to update bios to 0x12B and switch PL1 to 125W and PL2 253W. That for sure lowered temps and volts. Seem's to be more stable and although my cinebench R23 score dropped to 25,000 from 31,000. Despite my lower cinebench score, my gaming performance and editing time has not been affected. My temp's have gone from 85-95C to 60-70C under load. I wish Intel had these settings out the box but better late than never.
What CPU?
@ 13900k
Is that the only thing you did? Just made Turbo Limits - Enable and put this 2 changes? Anything else as undervoltage? I am with 13600k and i am fine by now, but i am undervolted to 0.025 and my PL1 and PL2 are 170. I also didnt blast the ram, but keep it 5600mhz.
The trick is with the Intel Default Settings, which are for WATER COOLING, i think. You can change them to ,,Spec" or the one for Air Cooling and then CPU is better with temps.
@ I recently upgraded to thermal grizzly thermal paste and am using a backing plate now. I have zero undervolts and my temps don’t exceed 70C.
@@louiienation8497 Oh, well :) I am with Aerocool case and its not actually with good ventilation, so i need to limit stuff if i want speeds.
i'll stick with my intel i9 12900ks setup. i don't need these big fps numbers to game and have a good time playing. pc does everything i need it to do.
i think the best intel cpu was the 10900k, tbh if it had gen 4 pcie lanes instead of gen 3 it would still be my top pick today in 2024
I have a 13700KF and have no plans to change it in the near future. Ive had it with undervolt and good cooling from the get go. And Ive updated my mobo with the BIOS that includes the microcode that is supposed to fix the death issues. Only time will tell if it works or not. As you said, the power consumption is the only thing I can really complain about. But I knew about it when I bought it
Same here mate. I knew the power consumption was pretty rough before I bougth my 13700K. But for video editing, it seems to be pretty good on power. I might upgrade when Arrow Lake drops (depending if Intel have made significant gains).
cmon guys these raptor lakes are awesome also 7950xes die. they kinda both garbage
Same. I use intel 13700 non K for my editing and making $$$ because of Quicksync and its IGPU. It's a bummer these issues coming. Been using mine for 8 months, no noticeable issue. If AMD can match the Quicksync, it would be my choice for next upgrade.
QuickSync is brilliant for video editing. This is why I'll find it hard to move from Intel for the time being
I had a 12600k die on me 2 months ago, probably because I used it as this 5700x pc im using!meaning 24/7 and it was installed on a h610m mobo!having had 2600/2700x/5700x/5800x and those pcs Never Ever died on me although using it 24/7!10400f did the same thing as the 12600k... watching yt and 1-2-3 it died in front of me!used Thermalright cpu coolers on both!
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 I have to be honest. Intel and motherboard partners sucks at default settings. You have to undervolt it before using. That's what I do before using the computer
I am sticking with AMD, not through any loyalty, but that I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on the AM4 and AM5 platforms, and that knowledge is adequate for my purposes.
That said, my gaming laptop an i5-11400H, and I wouldn't jave a problem with an Intel CPU in a laptop.
That i5 is dog water garbage in mid 2024 my guy
I think the Intel situation, is true "to an extent" and I'm grateful for the journalist that covered it and fought for consumers to have support from Intel.
The issue I have with this entire debacle is that "the total volume and proportion" of CPUs affected are hidden from us.
A game server company says Intel i9 13th and 14th gen have 50% crash rates. Ok then cool.
But suddenly a few weeks after, the other SKUs are involved too. But for the other SKUs, no solid number has been given, and vague mentions of crashes and failures are remarked which is very unhelpful.
When Puget mentions that they have more AMD Ryzens failing, that's when all hell breaks loose. It seems that for the ordinary computer users who doesn't use their computer 24/7 at full speed (like a server), Ryzens seem to have more failure rates.
But because Zen 5 release was just around the corner a lot of journalists and media didn't cover it because they want to be in AMDs good grace so they can review the newer CPUs.
At the end of the day, those with Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs that still work, get that motherboard BIOS update, and continue using your computer. Learn you warranty rights from Intel or your CPU sellers. For the moment, this important issue has devolved into drama and click baiting amongst journalistic media.
I mean it doesnt help that even Intel is not releasing data codes for affected cpus
@@RubMySweatyThighs True that.
I agree. But I don't really care how many chips are affected. I only care about my chip. As far as the other skus being added later. That's just Intel covering their bases. There was a graph that was put out that showed which chips were affected the most. I7s were a very small sliver of the pie whereas the i-9s made up almost the entire graph.
I bought a 13600k with asrock z790 pg lightning mobo and 32 gb ddr5 5200 mhz corsair ram. I immediately updated bios to 0x12B after installing w11. No problems for now, i have a 240 aio with very good temps on idle, cinebench and gaming. I saw some weird values on bios by default : icc max 511 AMP, and pl1, pl2 253W. Im running all stock after update with the bios default profile and LLC level 3. I had no diference on benchmarks/gaming performance after update , only a slight decrease on vcore and temps with icc 200 AMP and pl1 , pl2 181W. I had a 6700k since 2015, the upgrade was amazing. I also have the lga 1700 cpu bracket from thermalgrizzly, i recommend it .
Solid system mate. It will serve you well!
Best CPU generation right now: Intel 12th Gen, AMD AM4
Yeah, happy with my 12700kf right now.
just bought an i3 12100F, for 70$ more than happy
I upgraded to a 14700K from a 12700K... honestly, there isn't much difference unless i'm exporting video out of premiere. Hardly any difference gaming.
@@marsMayfloweryou could probably get almost all the performance back with overclocking 😭
@@marsMayflower there is a difference in gaming by a noticeable margin i7 14700k is faster than a i9 12900k when it comes to gaming and productivity and you are here comparing it with a i7 12700k
My first 14700k died within a month. I'm on my second now and its still alive at month like... 8. Ironically, my first cpu I undervolted, my second I didn't. Also my first appeared to be a better bin. It could maintain 5.5ghz during cinebench for example. My current 14700k cannot. But it also works, so I guess it gets some points for that.
You never did BIOS updates?
@@portman8909 What are you talking about? My first 14700k was bought at launch, it had the necessary bios updates to support it obviously, and it died within a month. The one that continued working yeah it has had bios updates but why is that relevant?
EDIT: Oh you mean, frequency wise? Yeah no, it was always like that.
But meh, its purpose is gaming. cinebench scores aren't all that important.
Wouldn't your normal graphics card be better for footage in premiere pro, instead of the igpu?
I've been using my 13600k with a 3080 for gaming since about May last year. It's been rock solid and temps are usually around 60 - 75'c depending on the game. I don't see the point in swapping to AM5 right now as it will be a lot of money for not a lot of performance gain. Maybe I'll go with AMD next time though, depending on what CPUs are good at the time.
I purchase high end CPUs for their default performance, not overclocking ability. I doubt this issue would affect users who stick with vanilla performance settings, at least as much.
I have some computer accessory products, can you help me test them? How can I contact you
As a family member who works at the Oregon facility… big things coming ..these are the people that work on chips 5-7 years before production .. end of 2027 will be chips off the new high N.A. machines ! I’m excited
I'm dealing with persistent issues on my 13900K, where peak VIDs reach over 1.7V at idle, likely due to microcode discrepancies. Additionally, my Z690 Hero motherboard stubbornly refuses to update beyond Version 2602, no matter what I try. What's even more frustrating is the Intel ME firmware, which, despite numerous attempts using the MEUpdateTool in Windows to upgrade to version 16.1.27.2176, annoyingly reverts to version 16.1.25.2020 after every reboot. This glitch also messes with the BIOS updates, as the system keeps failing to update the Intel ME firmware during each attempt. Due to these relentless issues, I’ve decided to RMA both the CPU and motherboard.
Have you try tuning your BIOS? ME firmware has nothing to do with high voltage requests, it is applying security patches to the OS.
@@valentinosgsxr Thanks for the suggestion! I’ve tried tuning the BIOS, but the issue persists. The main problem is that every time I try to update the BIOS, it attempts to update the Intel ME firmware, showing the message 'ME firmware is updating,' and then it just keeps rebooting without completing the update. Because of this, I'm stuck using a very old BIOS version-my Z690 Hero won't update to anything newer than Version 2602. Unfortunately, I believe running the CPU on such outdated microcode from this old BIOS has caused it to degrade, leading to the high VID spikes I'm seeing at idle.
@@saman5986 You are welcome. Being unable to flash BIOS is another problem and it is unacceptable. Whatever is preventing you has to be faulty. But, this is not preventing you from tweaking the BIOS you already run. In fact, of the system is undervolted, it doesn't need 0x129 or any other fix for that matter.
Are laptop processors also experiencing elevated voltage issues? I have an i5-13420H with max TDP of 45W. Should I be concerned about a microcode update?
As your TDP is lower than 65W you are fine. The issue only affects CPUs with a TDP of 65W or higher
@@ProYamYamPC The base tdp is 45w however turbo tdp is 95w. I used throttle stop to disable the intel's turbo mode.
I recently got 13700k updated bios and have custom voltage offset and lite load and the cpu never goes past 1.290 voltage and really happy with gaming performance, was a huge upgrade from 10700k in modern games
edit - 7800x3D in my country is 100 $ more expensive and any decent mobo's similar to intel counterpart are also way too expensive here.
I'm in Canada and had instability issues with my i7 13700k with BSOD and lockups. After a few tests with intel it was determined I had a defective CPU. It took three weeks to the day to receive my replacement from Kentucky which should have taken no more than 3 or 4 days tops. Intel insists on using UPS which is a real mess, losing and redirecting my CPU holding delivery up for a week, then intel insisting I send in my CPU within 14 days or be cancelled when they received it the previous day....This company is so incompetent it's ridiculous and it's no wonder they're in the shitstorm they're in now. I will NEVER buy intel again. After 30 years, this is a colossal screw up and AMD is now the leader of the pack. Intel flat out sucks and isn't to be trusted.
So is 12th Gen intel CPU is enough for blinder or adobe premiere without changing any settings in the BIOS or in the voltage???
yeah
Overblown is a really bad way of describing the issue. Intel to put it bluntly shit the bed with 2 generations of cpu's. Then followed it up with with their anti consumer practicies. They've been vague at best answering questions, and slow to try to fix the problem. There's been no recall, people have been denied RMA's for stupid reasons and they're still selling potentially faulty cpu's to people who don't know about the issues.
It's a really bad take to say that these issues have been "slightly over blown" by people "for clicks". This is not an issue that can be "slightly overblown". the tech sites and channels calling out Intel have a responsibility and job to call out major hardware issues that cause *permanent damage* to a system that cost hundreds of dollars just for the CPU alone. They have a responsibility to use the information to inform and protect consumers as much as possible.
Nobody is reasonably going to be upset that you're sticking with Intel for your specific needs, that's all fine, but don't somehow downplay the necessity of informing people about why these products are very flawed, and that 99.9% of people should steer far away from 13th and 14th gen CPU's if they aren't already stuck on that platform.
???????????? If you set your own voltages, you will never have any issue with 13th or 14th gen. They are over blown for clicks. People should buy 13th gen unless if they wanna buy an inferior product from AMD.
@@ProVishGaming This is an absolutely asinine take. Intel sold defective products to millions of people that degrade out of the box, both due to _OXIDATION_ and _OVERVOLTING._ and you have the nerve to somehow think Intel is "superior" to AMD. in your sheer delusion, you are expecting people to predict how terrible these CPU's are with voltage spikes from the start and correct it, but then truly correcting the issue by preventing unacceptably high voltage spikes suddenly the CPU's will simply *not perform how they are marketed to perform* . Not even the current microcode update is a true fix, because it has same issue with spiked voltages, but does it in shorter spurts to maintain benchmark performance. It's extremely deceptive because the CPU's will still degrade on people, just more slowly. You simply have no basis to claim "AMD makes inferior products", it makes you look buffoonish raging intel fanboy, all while the 13th and 14th gen CPU's are literally self-destructing on people.
@@ProVishGaming you cannot do undervolting with a B or H series motherboard. You can only do it with a Z series. New Z790 motherboards costs almost as much as some of the midrange CPUs themselves.
@@ProVishGaming This is an absolutely horrid take. Intel sold defective products to millions of people that degrade out of the box, both due to oxidation and overvolting. yet, you have the gall to somehow think Intel is "superior" to AMD.
In your crazed fanboy mentality, you are expecting people to predict the future by 1.5 years about how terrible these CPU's are with voltage spikes from the start and manually correct it. Do you even think about how unreasonable this is? From the get go, Intel pushed these CPU's to market them as being "Fast", but correcting the issue by preventing unacceptably high voltage spikes under any circumstance suddenly means the CPU's will simply not perform how they are marketed to perform.
Not even the current microcode update is a true fix, because it has same issue with spiked voltages, but does it in shorter spurts to maintain benchmark performance. It's extremely deceptive because the CPU's will still degrade on people, just more slowly. You simply have no basis to claim "AMD makes inferior products", it makes you look raging intel fanboy, all while the 13th and 14th gen CPU's are literally self-destructing on people.
@@HM-rz8nv If you leave it on auto, yes it will die even with the new microcode updates. But when you tune it, and put an IA VR Voltage Limit, you will be fine. Yes its completely unacceptable to even ship it like this, but people that know how to set voltages shouldn't have an issue.
I’m not smart about Advanced Technology but one of those not only interested in but concerned about it. I hope High Tech Companies consider more throughly developing devices or functions on semiconductor to protect biometrics. That’s really important for people using electronics based on Application of Biometric Information Service like a smartphone since that’s been a big part of human life these days. I’m 100% for sure that’s been manipulating BRAIN WAVES . Privacy nowhere
I n t e l basically produced very few processors after 4770k:
6700k , 12700k and 155h
Taking a 6700k from 90w to 250 watts and then calling it 11700k is not valid.
There was a time I n t e l claimed it would void your warranty if you overclocked that high.
Now, it sells the overclocks once deemed to be futile and dangerous for cpu's survivabiliy, as new cpus.
PS. Likewise 13700k and 14700k are only high overclocks of 12700k.
Stockholm syndrome. You shouldn't stick with anyone, you go with the most cost-efficient, or performant, or ethical or whatever option is important to you. I built a system with a 12100F and a 5500 at around the same time because they both made sense for the use cases. I run a 5700X3D on my own right right now due to cost-performance. I see no reason to upgrade to AM5 due to it's teething issues and bad cost-performance. Saying anything else is manic.
I described how the 13700K is the best for my workload. If it wasn’t I’d have a 7900X/7950X by now
I'm still on i7-4790 so yeah 😂
Im on a xeon e5 1650 v4 which is like a 6 core 7700
@@fv101 im on 7700 whis is like a 4 core 12100
@@donny5707 doesn't make sense since those have massively different single core performance numbers. My cpu and the 7700s single core are almost the same
Mine has 6 cores and the 7700 has 4. Bought it for 24$ too
If i were u id sell that asap and buy a 7800x3d for $200, what brain dead decision is that?
Did you not watch the video? he uses this for editing and in that case, intel is still the best.
@footballtalk4857 are you an idiot? I edit videos all the time and it's no faster on a ryzen 5500 as it is on a 14900k, people just say that because they are stupid 💀
Yeah let's pretend that you wouldn't need a new mobo too. And maybe new RAMs.
200 DOLLARS???? where because in france its like 400 bucks + 200 bucks for the motherboard and another 100 bucks for compatible ram
@@zebra7462 you shouldn't be using ddr4 on a new pc build 💀
I don't think you can call this overblown, since people and businesses have been waiting for about half a year waiting for a response from Intel, and it basically disappeared from the news until Level1 Techs and Gamers Nexus re-shone a light with receipts on what was going on. It will be interesting case study, to see how your CPU will fare in the coming years, or for how long you keep it. Fingers crossed that it doesn't fail on you.
What a lot of self confessed assumptions. Do your research BEFORE making the video. Most of your assumtions are wrong.
Bro im still using a i7 4790k and its still running. I wont ever abandon intel. Waiting on the 15th gen
Bro even 13th gen is a huge upgrade from that old CPU. You don't even need to wait really.
wait untill ddr5 and pcie5 common and BTF is regular
GOGO NOW
Before Intel release a new gen of CPU that's on another socket !
Yea sooo, I definitely would NOT call it a “bug” lol. More so incompetence and lack of giving af by Intel, followed by even more lack of communication by mobo manufacturers. Really pretty simple imo.
I have been running my 13600k at 5.6 GHz at 1.28V. I never let my CPU run at stock voltages, because that's what killed the CPU. Some of the higher end CPUs would request 1.5, 1.6V which is DEADLY. This whole thing has been overblown, and people that regulated their voltages never had an issue in the first place.
what about the people who don't even have the option to undervolt in their BIOS because they have a B-series motherboard? Undervolting is only supported on the Z-series motherboards.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf Get a better B series board I guess?
@@Dhruv-qw7jf Those people should look into AMD or undervolt the CPU.
@@mikem9536 yeah so your solution is just throwing money at the problem, for a screw up that we didn't cause. I shouldn't have to spend 30% of the budget of my current build to fix a problem that I didn't even cause.
@@ProVishGaming so.. just throw money at the problem? For a problem that I didn't even cause?
In my opinion, I think you are incorrect and I don't think the situation with Intel is overblown at all. I also think it is irresponsible to say this is overblown as well.
When Intel realised there was a problem, they were not upfront about it. Also, don't forget this issue goes back to mid-2023. Intel let a lot of people and organisations waste their time on troubleshooting when they were fully aware of the issues. More importantly, these voltage issues can permanently damage your processor. I think you need to spend some time researching this topic.
I am extremely glad that other UA-camrs have been shining a light on these issues, as I was one of those people having problems.
Now, in terms of your title - I recently purchased a new Desktop with an Intel 14G processor - it would be insane for me to switch to AMD. But...if I had to buy a new Computer...it definitely would not be Intel.
I just stopped buying new computers and stick with 2nd hand PCs on offerup. I love my Pentium M's, Pentium 4's, Dual-Cores, Duo 2's, and so forth. They can still do modern things just fine with Windows XP, 7, or Linux.
Yeah, I prefer AMD because they have better efficiency at gaming and heavy loads, as well as being cheaper (for AM4 which is what i have) and having more features in midrange level boards; but for your use case intel is better because their quicksync works way better than amd's igpu encoder, plus intel is more efficient than amd at light loads due to using a monolithic design. Just be a bit careful with what voltage spikes your cpu has been getting.
Don't reward bad behavior. They are the reason the CPU market was stagnant for years. I have done a ton of 4k and 8k video editing off of my canon R5 using my AMD 7860X. It does just fine without Quick Sync.
I haven't rewarded their bad behaviour. The reason why Intel were stagnant with their innovation is because they had no competition from AMD. FX was a joke. This is why competition is very important for any market, not just CPUs. Look at what is happening with Zen 5, no substanbtial improvement because AMD know Intel isn't as much as a threat anymore - particually on the gaming front. This is on Intel for not being a compelling enough option for gamers imo.
As for your CPU setup, you are comparing a $1400 HEDT chip to consumer socket processors. I should hope it does just fine without QuickSync.
@@ProYamYamPC Before this I used an Intel 9820X. So I used to have Intels. :) They just use too much juice.
There was no "potential" failures. There were failures, and plenty of them as documented. Stop coping.
Because mb overclocked out of the box. If you installed correctly you had no issue
@@SeanBotha Of course yes, it's the users fault that intel sold processors that had literal corrosion issues that were amplified by their own neglect allowing motherboards to pull infinite voltage, yes.. it's all the buyers fault.. you're so stupid.
@@SeanBothaWhile this is true, and if u know what ur doing u should be fine. Although Intel extremely dropped the ball and their incompetence is vast, while lack of communication and/or bad messaging to mobo manufacturers are the 2 main reasons for this failure.
why have so many people disliked this?
new microcode is coming
I'll install it when it drops!
I was probably a victim of the oxidation issue, 13900K degraded, BSOD crashes after a few months of solid stability usage. Intel replaced, no hassle or questions asked in March 2023 when I RMAed. Even with this issue, I still think the reporting is a bit hysterical, I haven’t had any issues since. Intel 12th Gen is also a better choice for building your own NAS because of superior idle power consumption, my old 12900K is in a TrueNAS build.
Glad to hear you managed to get your RMA sorted with no struggles. Hopefully now, your replacement 13900K will be free from these issues
why is this issue not so big in in UK , My 13900k has not blue screened once , However its only 7 month old , An its a 45l OMEN , An with HPs Bio's is pretty much locked down , though it has improved , My point is HP in themselves hardly overclock to max like ASUS motherboards to blast volts , causing nasty spikes on these CPUs , However you can overclock CPU from omen command software , ! Which i have choose to leave alone ,,,,,,, i learned my lesson with omen 30l with 10900k , boy you could overclock these CPUs they where bullet proof if you had a good RADIATOR/COOLER , which mine was to small an sounded like a spitfire ......
Your info is wrong, intel put out a statement earlier
Most people stick with Intel because they just buy a prebuilt PC and run it until it breaks or gets replaced with another one. This is only reinforced by Intel only using a motherboard platform for two iterations of chip.
TLDR you go Intel you get stuck with what ya got.
People use intel because its faster and cheaper. Better value.
@@valentinosgsxr I encourage you to continue buying intel. Why would I argue with someone who self harms.
@@quintrapnell3605 Thank you for your concern. Next time I will build a new computer I ll reach out for your recommendation.
@@valentinosgsxr ☺
your choise, i don’t like file corruption, even memory corruption... risk is too high..
I won't rule out intel again. Previously had intel builds. But right now, if you are choosing, then AMD makes more sense on price, power consumption, and quality. Arguably performance too when it comes to just gaming. If you already bought into intel, then it's best to stick with it.
Intel certainly aren’t going anywhere. They will bounce back with Arrow Lake (I’m fairly certain they will). If Intel and AMD are both offering great CPUs. We all win🙌
Ultra is launching in weeks. The ultra is crushing amd the ultra 7 and 9 are even better. Entery level ultra 3 has 8 CORES
stick with mine 12900KS hot but gold😆 another CPUs i5 13400 works fine i3 13100T fine i don't own any higher tier 13 or 14 gen but these which i have are fine
13500's are safe but 14400's are sus.
@@mikem9536 yes i won't buy anything from 14th gen maybe 14700 was worth a shot before this "drama" now i am not interested
Legally, shouldn't you disclose that you have a commercial interest, an Amazon store link, and that you peddle Intel products like? I don't see 'contains advertising' in your video disclosure, so I've reported it to UA-cam.
look at the bottom of the description mate...
I have an i9 13900kf no bsod
Me too
I would fully overclock that sucker and complain when it doesn't work 😂😂😂
yes for gaming amd is certainly the best now but you can undervolt your i7 13700k or i7 14700k for less power consumption and heat output compared to stock settings with minimal to no loss in gaming performance at all and yes in productivity intel is just better compared to amd processors my i7 14700k im running it with the latest bios with the microcode fix but i didnt have any problems on it even before it and im not using intel defaults im using asus oc profile but with my own manually tuned settings which includes undervolting and locking cores and my processor runs cooler and more efficient and is almost as good as a 7800 x3d when comes to performance in gaming its not that far behind i could overclock it and it will perform better than 7800 x3d in most games but i guess its not worth the extra power it will consume and more heat output though but yes if you oc your i7 14700k it does beat 7800 x3d in most games just not at stock settings or out of the box settings same goes for the i9 14900k it will only beat the beast of a gaming 7800 x3d cpu if you overclock it not at stock or out of the box settings.
Random lag spike 😢 just buy a new pc😢😢 12th gen
Been running a 14900KF since launch, haven't had a thing go wrong with it yet (touch wood). I think mine is in good health coz i learned early on with my old 12900K that using Asus' auto-overclocking setting in the motherboard BIOS caused instability issues with RAM. So i always had that setting disabled from the getgo when I upgraded to the 14900KF. I've ran a few stability tests after the new microcode update and everything passed fine. Hopefully it stays that way. Although I think it would be a nice gesture of good will if Intel were to setup a trade-in program with its retail partners. So that people who bought a 13000 or 14000 series CPU can get a bit of money off the Core Ultra 200 CPU's when they trade in their old one against it.
how to run stability test?
@@jovanienarag3092 Intel has a tool for it themselves that you can run. There are also a ton of benchmarks you can run. If the CPU crashes/blue screens during any of the tests, there’s a chance that it has degraded
My 14700K has been flawless, knock on wood.
my 14700KF rocking solid up to date. i did update my BIOS too
Funny how everyone piles onto Intel when they have an issue, but there was crickets from the tech channels on here when the AMD R9-5950X had their massive number of people with BSOD Thermal issues. Just do a search for it. Many thousands of threads on the Internet. AMD was deleting posts on their forums when they first released the 5950X to try to cover it up. I happened to be an early buyer of the 5950, and mine had continual BSOD issues, even just looking at Task Manager would do it. No fix from AMD. No recall. The 5950 will sit there and constantly spike up to 100% usage and over thermal and BSOD with even the smallest app running. This is guaranteed to eventually kill the silicon. Replacements do the same thing.
How much did Intel pay you...?
Enough to have more Ryzen PCs than Intel ones
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Same, the hub can continue to ride amd all they want im not gonna stop using intel just csuse they had one bad gen, im on an 11900k overclocked and its perfect, even tho those youtube crybabies kept crying about 100c temps which i have never seen, cannot waitnto upgrade to the 15th gen 285k
So glad my recent used build was done with 8086K
Good honest video
fanboy
I have more PCs with AMD CPUs than Intel CPUs
@@ProYamYamPC heh, i don't believe your a fanboy in spite of my criticism towards the framing of the degradation issues. however, some actually crazy fanboys certainly came out of the woodworks for this video :D . How insecure they must be that they have to seek validation by someone who wants to keep their 13700K.
@@HM-rz8nvmany probably live in the parents basement have only a phone and like to rant and trigger people
@@HM-rz8nv Yeah it is pretty wild. I respect your approach to my takes in this video. More of a let's agree to disagree sorta thing. I think the PC gaming community could benefit from this rigth about now
Same I can't help it. Intel does everything I need and ive tested so many builds this generation. I don't need mainstream opinions telling me what works better or doesn't. I've tested and nvidia/intel have better handshaking it's just a fact. They seek to work better together. Like idc what an overlay tells me either I go by how it functions in real world use and it just works. Also now we know what to look for and what to do to not have the issues happen. I have my cpu set so it doesn't go over 1.4volts. It hasn't crashed a single time. It hasn't done anything. The microcode is nice but I still went in manually and luckily no issues. I did get a new intel processor right after so it's been nice. Put my old one in my other build.
I'm using 13th gen also.
It also is over blown real users are out there and believe me if it eas as mass thwy would do a recall but if it's under 25% they won't do that especially if it's only a 13900k or 14900k 50% of the time compared to the others. We have a group of like 10k people and only 2 in that group on discord had issues. I mean come on. That's bevause in our group it's all real users not fake accounts or people pretending to have an intel and have issues. People believe everpost ever and it's crazy af.
Good point. I feel the same.
For 4k gaming the i9 13900k and 7800X3D is almost the same depending on the game.
Except the 13900K uses 200-250W more on average, needing a PSU upgrade just for the CPU, so you should factor that into cost as well, as well as higher running costs over lifetime. All that for less performance and a higher buy price.
@@ArchOfficial Really? The 13900K is almost three times faster then the 7800x3d. Even if you limit it to 100W is still will probably be faster. Now imagine that you are shoving 250W to a 7800x3d, what do you thing is going to happen?
@@valentinosgsxr What? 7800X3D is about 10-15% faster in gaming than 13900K. It'd only be a bit slower in some single-core 100% use scenarios.
@@ArchOfficial You should define gaming. Before x3d "invention" gaming was done by the graphics cards. Sorry... it still does!
@@valentinosgsxr Inteltards need to have gaming defined now? How about "running a game app"?
Just explained that my computer keeps having problems. I can't solve it and seemingly come out of nowhere. Will Intel replace my I9? I was watching this thinking their stock is so low. I'd like to invest, but now I understand why. I appreciate this content.
I had to rma my 13900k a few weeks back. It was crashing a lot. General instability, the intel rma went smooth, and i got my replacement with the standard rma in 8 days. I haven't put it into my system yet and probably won't cause i switched over to AMD with a 7800x3d.
Probably wont be going for intel for a long time now. Was looking forward to Arrow Lake, but even if my rma went smooth, i dont really trust them anymore.
"overblown"? Wow copium.
No one was this outraged when AMD X3D chips where exploding.
The real answer is because you already paid for it and they are too greedy to replace them
Because INTEL is and Will ALWAYS be the Best.
Intel should get sued for this and forced to recall 13&14th gen
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raptor lake fiasko , now ryzen 9000 fiasko. both pure garbage
AMD are doing what Intel did 10 years ago. This is why competition is so important
@@ProYamYamPCIntel f** up yes! but in general Intel runs much better with windows and general programms. also the motherboards have much less issues due to microcode from intel is superior
I am not able to use Ryzen, so Intel 4 life!
wdym "not able"
@@mparagamesI do not like bending pins back.
@@RobertFixit well, then get am5, they don't use pins on cpu; or just don't bend the pins on am4...
@@mparagames no amd here 🚫
@@RobertFixit why
Most of you have far too much cpu for your needs. I have no idea what non-professionals do with 13900k and 14900k. It's absurd. You don't need that much cpu to game with.
Exactly. Don't forget the enthusiasts.