They CENSORED Casey Neistat's DRONE comments…
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2023
- Hey everyone! In a recent interview for Wired’s UA-cam channel, Casey Neistat talked about drone content in his videos and flying drones in New York city. As regular viewers of his UA-cam channel will know, this has previously been a controversial issue for him but it still shocked me to find his onscreen answer beeped with a legal disclaimer, although a little tongue in cheek, displayed. Today, we talk about the interview and the wider concerns I have in terms of censorship around the topic of drones…
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Hi there, I've always been a fan of this channel. You have got the message across, and you're absolutely right about the way things could easily pan out for us drone enthusiasts and professionals alike. One thing I have noticed is how viewers can be easily distracted from the actual drone footage when that footage is incorporated in a documentary or film sequence. No drone police seem to comment when it's in a constructive viewing experience, but as soon as you post a video of, say, a flight around a building, then the drone police feel the need to become investigative. I have posted several documentary shoots involving all sorts of drone flights and never once did I receive a dig at my drone footage. I was a PfCO holder at the time but never advertised it as such. We watch on TV, many films or documentaries and do we ever have a dig at the TV company for the drone footage... answer is no, we don't.. so my question is, why dont they? . Keep up the good work Sean, your making a big difference.
One of your best commentaries Sean and so very astute an observation of our current societal actions on all social networking platforms. Looking forward to your new method of interviewing. Regards.
Thank you Dan. Much appreciated!
Apparently it's a loophole, if you fly from the river off a boat? They probably censored it so others don't use it! As you said, it's up to each person to decide if they are going to do what's right rather than wrong! Being safe to others should always be taken seriously! Any reasonable person would understand that! But you will always get some that just don't care, its a shame but that's life!
That could be it Tony! Certainly, I think Casey was probably trying not get pulled back into the drone debate....
Yep - recently posted a video where someone in the comments called me out on flying BVLOS even though I specifically stated IN THE VIDEO that my son was spotting for me. Quickly and politely acknowledged that a full risk assessment had been done that resulted in a low risk score AND that I had a spotter. Some people are just out to criticise. Personally I have a secret appreciation of Range Test videos and am envious but would rarely consciously fly BVLOS and if I did it would only be where there was extremely low risk. As you’ve said before, if you know the rules but still choose to break them then you have to be prepared to face the consequences. The bigger concern is the ‘Droniacs’ out there that aren’t even aware that there are rules! Apols for the rant! 😉
Please post a link to your video. It would be interesting to see the comment about VLOS in context
@@Bob_Burton apols - out of respect for Sean and @geeksvana I won’t self promote on his channel but I’m fairly sure you should be able to find it quite easily.
Really interesting insight, thank you! Precisely the kind of thing I was discussing. The importance of the spotter is a technical regulation and not reflective of the safety of the flight. Frustrating that people jump there straightaway, when you had explained.
@@amoktimeflies I found it and have seen the context. From what you say in the video you were flying at a distance of "about a kilometre". Is that correct ? Does the fact that your son was acting as a spotter make any difference ?
I thought the spotter, had to be stood within earshot of the operator ? @@Bob_Burton
It's an interesting one actually - There was a drone flying around and over our local fireworks display on the 5th. Looked larger than a mini, looked more Mavicy, so >250g, but it was dark so... They would obviously have had the permission of the organisers, but I immediately wondered if they had a GVC and an OA, or were flying on an A2 CofC. I don't know any local drone pilots who have a GVC so I was trying to figure out how I could find out, spent more time wondering about the drone than watching the fireworks! So there's me, as an A2 CofC holder, questioning the competence and quals! Still on the fence about whether to even buy a new drone to replace the Mavic 2 I sold. It's really not a good place for a hobby / industry to be....
I find the “drone police” where I live, are usually people who don’t fly drones, but look up the regulations on the CAA website, but fail to find ( or just dismiss) the regs applying to sub 250gm drones. ( I think on the CAA website it simply says “different rules apply to sub 250gm drones” , without actual reference to these rules.) They could of course rectify this, but last time I looked a few weeks ago, the reference to the actual rules for sub 250gm drones was still missing, just the general statement.
I do believe as a hobbyist group, we generally police ourselves quite fairly.
For those of us who are also keen photographers and for whom the drone is a flying camera, @seantucker made a video recently about who our audience on the socials are likely to be(not about drones as such) especialy when it comes to reactions “likes” or feedback and especialy in the area of feedback and comments. There are many parallels but the big takeaway is that the most vocal commenters are more likely to to be the least qualified whereas the experienced or discerning viewers are more considered and most likely refrain from engaging most likely because they dont have the time or willpower to argue with idiots!
I agree that there is a real sense that the behavior and attitudes of many seems like there is a self fulfilling prophecy developing which many will see as vindication of their views and failing to see that their behavior was more of a factor
It's a really great point you're making, I follow quite a few walking content creators, and frequently the drone footage is over National Trust land, and was captured with a take off point on National Trust land ... I've never mentioned it, because I happen to think the NT has the wrong policy on recreational drone flights, but the creators are breaking the rules, probably unknowingly, and mentioning it I think may pressure the content creator to drop the flights and lose brilliant content.
Hey Sean, good video, many good points. I would say this is a hugely complex subject, and whilst the I take issue with the "drone police" at times, I have also been accused for been the "drone Police". I think you are right about the negative views taken, but when you see somebody posting stuff that is blatantly breaking the law, not just flouting, its hard not to point it out becuase this is what could make it harder for all us. Having said that, your points here are valid, but its complex, and defiantly worth debating as i think there valid points on most sides.
Thanks Sean for the video and info about what happened to Casey's video.
The more regulations flying in the face of the drone hobby maybe not just for safety alone. Probably due to the upcoming uptick in air traffic in the class G airspace with drone deliveries, VTOL air taxis and of course the wealthier individuals who can afford the latest and greatest VTOL’s that can fly themselves.
This isn’t all about money but also safety and common sense. It’s why we as a community end up obtaining drone certification’s, in which you do learn quite a bit and it’s useful for adhering to the regulations.
With the drone community weather you’re a hobbyist or a certified pilot it’s mostly about attitude. Everyone’s different, we all have our own preferences, opinions but we’re all just going to have to roll with the punches, you do that eventually better opportunities come out in the open like pull backs on regulations.
Really interesting take. Thank you so much for sharing it!
Hi Sean as you have probably seen DJI have now launched the new delivery drones ..! Just wondering what your thoughts are on these and they affect us as recreational flyers and those who operate drone businesses etc 🤔
probably will, have you noticed how regulations are coming out to limit what we do while at the same time Amazon etc are coming out with delivery drones that can deliver up to 10 miles away? I wouldnt be surprised if businesses like Amazon are trying to lobby to restrict the hobby so they can have a monopoly.
The line of sight law/rule/regulation is ridiculous and needs to go. What if I buy some amazing binoculars and can still see the drone a few miles away, is that ok?
VLOS must be with your own eyes. The definition needs clarifying, though. As there is too much out there in terms of advice vs legislation.
@@Geeksvana Have they thought about sight deteriation as you get older also? Asking for a freind 🤣
@wayneharry8696 your friend and me together on that one! 🤣
@@Geeksvana it definitely does especially if you're flying FPV, because when you're flying FPV you're technically viewing from the eyes of the quad, which gives you a better reference for controlling. The whole rule needs to go if you're FPV. Because as it stands its basically a subtle way of saying that FPV or certain types of RC hobby are completely illegal, when its been legal and completely fine with zero incidents for years.
Agree and very true that we can destroy our own hobbies/incomes by being negative and not talking openly and being honest. This is true of all ‘dodgy’ topics.
Thank you thank you thank you for your tremendous support for the drone community! We really appreciate it.
I've had five DJI drones and I"m still puzzled by this line of sight. I often take the mini4pro up looking at the screen and look over to where it is and it's blended into the background and unless I move it, it just stays invisible against a similar colour background. Am I technically illegal? I often fly round the back of a large tree does the same apply. Coming to the damage caused be drones, more people get killed by dogs and I've suffered more damage from my sisters cat than has been caused to anyone including myself by any of my drones over the last five years. When you think of the people and animals including that blind dog or the oldish man who'd slipped into a reed filled drainage ditch in Norfolk, I wonder if they have a Karen effect as far as drones go? Best Dave
Hey Dave! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences, genuinely been fascinating reading the comments to this video.
I think both of those scenarios would be argued as in breach of the legislation on VLOS. However, the other factor here is enforcement. These kind of issues might become more of a problem if something goes wrong. Certainly, a lot of the recent fines have had VLOS tagged on. Although there are no police officers hiding in hedges to jump out and get you for it alone. If that makes sense?
That might change when the fixed penalties come, but even then proving where a drone was becomes a bit of a nightmare in my opinion.
@@Geeksvana Thank you for the reply. I had my first drone up above my house and a police man knocked on the door and told me about it and I said it was mine. He said there was no way they'd be able to police the use of them, so I invited him in and we had a chat, then I showed him some correspondence from a firm that wanted to buy some plots of land and managed to con me out of £62k. He took away copies of the paper works and a CD of all the telephone conversations. Did I hear back from any of the police fraud squad or the FCA no. So if you don't now need a dog licence then the same now applies to my drone use.
About NYC, it has 5 bouroughs or counties. I'm not sure but it seems the local regulations, about taking off, siting a GCS, and landing apply to Manhattan. We don't have that issue in Chicago.
Sean. It was most disturbing to hear your comments about negativity and frankly, probably trolling, in response to the absolutely wonderful stuff you cover and the really influential people you attract (cajole?) onto your show. I understand how hard you work to get this stuff and these people front and centre.
There is no place for that sort of behaviour, either toward your good self or to your guests, let alone on such a needed and helpful place as Geeksvarna.
These idiots would not dare to behave in such a manner in a face to face context and if they did, they would be called for it and maybe even taken to one side for some corrective interactions. Anyone behaving like this should be banned outright. They have no interest in the hobby or it's furtherance and so their negative contributions are irrelevant. Keep your chin up and don't let the ******** get you down, those of us who have an interest in the positive outcome of all the current shilly-shallying on the regulatory front are relying on you and others like you to help us. Brian
Hey Rupert! Thank you! From a channel perspective it is frustrating as it prevents others from wanting to appear etc. I don't mind as I have a very thick skin, but it takes my breath a little when I see comments on interviews etc.
I’m Happy you did this video Sean , got me thinking m8 , well done 👍
Does anybody know a good lipreader?
I did actually give it go 🤣
It's not just drones freedom of speech is under threat I feel.
Well done and said as always brother!
another dumb rule is you can not fly your drone in national parks (with out writing permission) Facebook is the worst for un educated ill informed drone police yet here in Australia you have idiots ripping up dirt tracks on there motor bikes and 4wds yet i cant fly a sub 250g drone in our national parks wonce you are 15 to 25mts you can not even hear it 🙄
Really crazy
Being a drone pilot myself in the US, and the comment Casey made stating that's it's illegal to fly in NYC, I can see why it was taken out. He came forward and said I'm doing things illegally and this is how you do it. I do like that we have rules and regs for drones but there are some that really make no sense, like posting drone footage to social media. Legally a pilot must have a Part 107, or commercial drone license, in the US to post any drone footage that creates an income. This includes all social media (all social media companies make money via ads even if the actual owner isn't making money), selling drone footage, or being hired to make a video. Now there is a bill trying to be passed that will make all chinese made drones illegal to fly in the US (DJI, Altel, etc). So do we need rules and regs for flying drones? Yes we do, especially since we share the airspace with manned aircraft. However I think they need revisited and revamped to keep the hobby alive.
They left the footage in as part of a classic storytelling technique - Mythbusters did it every time Adam and Jamie were dealing with Explosives.
Casey has been doing this for years, it's nothing new that there has been controversy over his use of drones in new york, way back on 2017 he was investigated by the FAA.
But it seems he's either found a viable loophole OR there are rules for us and a different set for him? 😁👍
Maybe it was censored because he implicated himself, maybe.he films his flights in.such a way that it's not ckear, who is flying?
Maybe he doesn't care, is making that much money, he'll just pay the fine regardless if he is caught?
It’s a symptom of the World now: One half of people want to tell the other half how they must behave.
Well said, we do need to unite and be positive ambassadors of our hobby, I hope all will listen to you on this and spread the word.
I'm with you on the "drone police" bores and agree there's always some there in the comments. I think there may be a side of this however that's mocking the rules. i.e. there's a stunning photo and someone picks up that it's misty, saying "I hope you had VLOS at all times" in the way of highlighting how ridiculous some of the rules are and following the absolute letter of the law rather than the spirit of it can ruin some of the most enjoyable aspects of owning a drone.
He isn't a part 107 holder I believe, so didn't comply with the FAA rules for those flights in New York.
Probably got a way to circumvent the law with a sub 250g in NYC
Yes, clearly some advice from somewhere to get around things. Hopefully he repeats it somewhere uncensored.
At least the ones that are 249 g should be allowed in national parks, is really to much
The hobby is adopting Fight Club rules…. er… rule. Club flying is being replaced by crew flying. UA-cam only exists to gather evidence.
That is the perfect reference...
@@Geeksvana That’s why I started Flight Club… I’d love to tell you all about it but alas…
It's becoming a toxic world , Unfortunately .
How can they have line of sight if they are above the fog
The earlier video from them showed the gap in the fog where they were stood.
In meteorological temperature inversion conditions, cold, damp air - being more dense than warm air - falls into hollows, and flows down valleys if there is no wind. Further cooling of the air by proximity to cold ground causes condensation - making fog which cloaks the ground and can be as low as knee-deep, so you can have thick fog near ground level but great visibility at eye level when standing. That puts soldiers in trenches at a disadvantage, so they "stand to" for first light and dusk to reduce the chance of being taken by surprise in such conditions - and hunters' hides are up ladders to give them the edge over deer or wild boar.
Theatrical fog is made using dry ice to cool the air, or cold water with a piezo-electric ultra-sonic atomiser to increase humidity enough to form such a fog; Disinfection foggers use ultrasonic atomisers and sodium hypochlorite or sodium lactate solutions.
Victorian greenhouses had pits along their sides, enclosed by glazed cold-frames which were low against the greenhouse wall. In winter, the pits were filled with autumn leaves or horse manure to generate heat through fermentation along the bottom of the outside of the greenhouse wall. This reduced fuel consumption during temperature inversions significantly. I pile dead leaves around the outside of my green house up to a few feet deep at this time of year to keep the fog and frost at bay - saving a lot on heating bills. Worth knowing. 🙂
Didn't ask for a weather report. Thanks for the reply, Gerksvana
amazon bought the lower airways in my opinion, thats it.
I don't think it is that simple. Certainly, it is a huge factor in lower airspace and the future, but there is a lot more going on than that.
I recall that Neistat reached some sort of "agreement" with the FAA once. ... And this interview was a single take (that's mentioned at the front end of the interview). I have this scenario in my head where Neistat's counsel says, "You said WHAAT!?" ... and then Neistat quickly calls Wired and requests some sort of bleep over his answer. Just a thought. 😏
100% my thoughts on the order of events. It was possibly removed to just avoid Casey having to go down that rabbit hole again. Although as we are talking drone flight, I really wish we didn't need to censor the conversation.
I often fly beyond line of sight, because God speaks to me in my dreams and says "go for it dude" 😉
In all seriousness, if the Gov. can't stick to the rules (Covid Parties and all the other corrupt things they do), then why the F should I stick to the rules from a Gov. agency?
People like you are why we have more regulations. You’re obviously not mature enough to be responsible flying.
The FPV community is much more understanding and positive around this stuff in general compared to the normal drone community. There are some annoying ********* of course but when you understand actual risks more (like when you build your own drones) you tend to become more sensible and less of a jobsworth. Makes the hobby/profession a lot more fun!
He censored himself to make himself more important. Now you want to know because its censored.
I bet it has something to do with 9/11.
It's hard to have an open debate when the powers of the different contributors are so one sided. Basically, what the regulator says goes, and they know it and act accordingly.
I have never got the feeling from any 'official person' being interviewed that they were genuinely interested in the hobbyists and their needs and concerns, it tends to be more "this is it, take it or leave it" even when nicely sugar coated.
That is not to say one should not interview such people - all information is useful, just that such interviews tend show the divide. But that is not the fault of the interview, it is just how it is.
Knowing Casey, and not very well, perhaps he bleeped himself.
Just hand out the A2 C of C leaflet Shaun published on this channel to anyone complaining.
That's social media all over.... everyone's an expert and qualified to make comments! After all, I have 187 degrees in various subjects because I watched some UA-cam videos 🤪
I have sooooo many UA-cam degrees... Still waiting for the certificates though 🤣
Well said Sean, this is happening more and more now - many thanks for sharing the info
A drone flies into a bar...
Casey has an exemption, because he's just special. Lol
if you take the CAA drone rules literally i'd guess that almost all of your viewers/subs are breaking drone rules in regards to flying FPV wither it be sub 250g or not.
People don’t like drones,hardfelt if more people would just keep line of sight I wouldn’t have flown 98.6 % more time in the air than any pilot worldwide .keeping eyes on your drone keeps your UAS and the airspace safe and that be the number one goal to keep the airspace safe and one more thing an sd card turns all the 249g drones useing the over that needs remote ID the people need that and I’m sick of always getting herrassed I’m down to one battery so please run away from the UAS and please don’t interrupt or try and get under the drone to video the drone cause if your going to walk the drone off course cause you peanut bean heads. God is great beer is good and people are crazy! Interfereing in a crime and shooting and telling story’s to try to talk way out of it is wrong and god is great beer is nasty and people are crazy ! DJI drone useing automotive grade gps have all the proff we need
Quite ironic that you are actually pro THE counter drone police. (IE the ones who will go out to try to find reasons to arrest/stop a hobbyist)
I am pro the correct information. I have constantly spoken out against police not having the right knowledge and I am now directly involved in a project to educate them.
We also gained police backing to produce a leaflet hobbyists can hand to police to show them the rules.
Your comment is PRECISELY the type that stops debate and conversation. You think you know me? My motivations? Sorry, you clearly have no clue.
@@Geeksvana I’m just an ex FPV hobbyist who had to stop due to not having a spotter. I’m not a UA-camr with all the kit either, just a DJI mini (original). Are you saying unless we agree with you we’re ruining the hobby? I find that interesting. Me being able to question your alliance is in no way stifling debate. I only write because I’ve never seen you asking the anti drone police about if they feel they’re killing the hobby. Every step of the way I’ve seen no pushback for any regulations Sean. I’ve been a subscriber to you for a few years now; it’s because I love your content, but I just don’t like the way you accept every control that’s been put in place, and frankly, knowing you are having a pop at me because I’m debating you is pretty surprising. Don’t we all need to talk?
@Rooonga your initial comment and the follow shows me you do not actually watch my content, or much of it. Therefore, it is understandable that you have a characterisation of me in your mind.
But it is very wrong. There is little point me shouting or harassing someone invited on the show to answer questions, when they are answering them.
I do not feel the counter drones team are doing anything to stiffle or stop the hobby. They are focused on far worse use of drones and stopping bad actors.
The police and the CAA take their lead and instructions from the government and the legislation they pass. If you want to direct your passion towards the correct people I suggest that might be more useful.
There is a power in having the police, CAA and others on air to repeat the things we already know they will say. It is on record and creates a point of accountability for others to follow and be kept to. We have the police on camera confirming how officers should act and how they should enforce the rules. If you don't see a value, then move on to the next video. Others see the value.
Also, you state you are an ex FPV hobbyist who stopped due to no spotter. I am unaware of even a single person who has ever been fined or prosecuted in any way for lack of spotter. I think the over focus on a few videos showing police officers acting like idiots sometimes creates a false narrative about the scale of an issue. Police are not hiding in the bushes to fine you for not having a spotter. Thousands of flights a week happen without one. If it was a priority, they would act.
So no, I welcome people having opposing views. Hence we have every type of guest from all niches, but I won't be told what my own views and alliances are. I am not two dimensional.
Remember this channel is a news channel and not purely an opinion one too. Any report given does not express my own views, the longer live shows shows a little more.
If you are part of a body that regulates an activity and don't want to talk to the community of that activity, you're a dictator.
Self-censoring to avoid censureing? That sounds so sound...
BUT...
it is SO close to Cancel Culture, isn't it? Someone - far wiser and a good tad more godly than me - once commented:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone";
and
"Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the scantling in your own? [...] You hypocrite!".
Sage words that we should heed, indeed. 🙂
I agree: being the "drone police" on social media needs to be considered antisocial and treated as such. We have a hard enough time dealing with massive unjustified over-regulation and bad public perception without creating problems for ourselves.
The "drone police" seems to come mainly the It's my drone and I'll fly it any way I want. I personally don't want to call anyone out, but people do post videos mainly that are breaking the rules - very obvious. Photos are a different story. Hard to say someone broke the rules. We ALL hate the rules and about 99% break at least a few. It's the blatant DJI says my drone can fly 5 miles so it must be okay. I don't care how you fly, don't post to drone public pages. Esp videos that definitely are beyond VLOS. I do have issues that the few are going to make me flying my drone more restricted. Fly how you want but don't post it. Kind of simply. Post to your page all day long. Or be ready to speak to the Real Drone Police and it's consequences. Getting the word out to new flyers is an issue. I suggested the drone companies out a sticker on the box, but that got poo poo'd. So what do we as the community do to fix the issue, esp with new pilots?