some people feel like accusing me of botting my rotation so if you want to confirm in the log of these runs in the background then you can feel free to do so: www.fflogs.com/character/id/19710094# just open the kills for august 20th and compare with the other wipe logs
I'd also like to bring up in this that the animation lock for some classes is really bad. (Not just Dragoon optimization, but pre-jump change dragoon is also applicable in this.) I primarily play Tank/Melee, so I can only really speak on those. Gunbreaker is basically unplayable at higher ping, because of how long of an animation lock blasting zone has on it, even if you plan to only double weave you hard clip into your gcd. You can argue now that you no longer have your gap closer to press in burst it's not as bad. But continuation combo and blasting zone being as long as they are is insane for an "instant" ogcd. Ninjas mudras used to lock each other out if you were on higher ping. Now there's the issue of how mudras will overlap and not go out, but that's a different ping issue altogether. Reapers enshroud window ogcds will lock you out of the gcd. Even the new class, Viper, has this same issue with animation lock in it's reawaken window. With the Legacy's, you will automatically clip into your generation gcds while inside of reawaken. You technically won't fail reawaken, but your double ouroboros would be nearly impossible to hit. People say will say "Optimization doesn't matter" as a blanket statement, but people forget that on-content ultimates exist. And they're built around people playing correctly at low ping. Not the tiny optimization, but the larger picture of playing a class correctly. Being ABLE to double weave. When playing on higher ping (120-200), it's basically a completely different game. While I don't use them myself, these tools allow my friends who play on high ping from South America to deal with these issues easier.
I think i find myself triple weaving most at round the 2 minute burst more often than not cuz at times it makes things line up just a bit better as far as timers go and at times even just kinda locking myself in to better line up for a mechanic in some cases too
Great vid ty for it! I'm always looking to optimize and DRG has many opportunities for it. Regardless of use of tools, SE designed DRG to be at a direct disadvantage for a lot of people w/o it. For people wanting to optimize at a high lvl they feel like a necessity. Now if only we can get starcross to be a ranged attack/have better ranged options than piercing talon 😅
The way I see it is that every JP player will have ping that's as good as NoClippy if they have decent net, so if anything using Clippy just puts you on an equal playing field with JP players.
ppl r so repulsed by the concept of someone using tools to outperform them that they lose their heads at the mere discussion of why someone might want to use those tools at all. i don't really care one way or another but guys i think its more useful to use this as a means of discussion around job design and the way the 2m meta has only increased the amount of heavy consecutive weaves required, has only reduced the value of sks melds, has only further emphasized a need for a competitively low and reasonably stable ping in order to not grief your party. don't shoot the messenger, ask questions and get thinking about what all this information means for the game as a whole also lets be real, you don't have to bother fighting anim lock, you can just toss GSK out of buff window and as long as you don't screw everything else up you aren't going to troll your group with the potency loss. don't make it into an excuse for why you aren't clearing dps checks.
@@siorainori like i just dont think its useful to talk about tools like a boy scout when job design ends up being so hostile to anyone that wants to perform well and/or play under less than perfect conditions if sqex actually wants to reduce the amount of people using these tools, wagging the finger isnt enough bc the reasons why people turn to them doesn't go away and has only increased each xpac despite them claiming to want to make jobs less Difficult or Busy. they need to step up their game and rethink the way they've made us sandwich our buffs together and stuff as much as humanly possible into 20s windows even on jobs that were originally never intended to function that way. brd and drg have suffered so much for it even if there are things i like about their present incarnations and its just not good enough to sneer and go "well i just wouldn't use tools 😏" and get on a moral high horse bc being a boy scout for a company that we fork over 13 usd a month to for piecemeal qol, uncreative job updates and still no sign of a cross-dc pf. i think thats just corny. in a way i think tool users are an important part of this games ecosystem bc they are the canary in the well indicating friction and pain points ppl are having with the game's services and if sqex is serious about refining the player experience they would work faster and with more care to improve on the things to where people no longer feel a need to break their sacred tos
Alright, I'll take a crack at this discussion and hope I don't get torn up by the parse community in the process- Triple weaving is a DPS/functionality loss in all circumstances, with probably very, very, very few exceptions. In terms of damage, GCDs all have higher potency than oGCDs, resulting in the effect that if you drift a GCD and potentially lose one or more skill uses before the boss kill time, resulting in a loss of potency. Sure, your burst goes up and you'll register higher on a DPS meter in the moment, but does not increase DPS fight-wide. In terms of tanking, if you're triple weaving mitigation, you're either 'kitchen sink'-ing, panicking, or trying to force enable some functionality for your job; or increase your party's survival. In an example, where you lose functionality, Warrior's bloodwhetting does not give health on oGCD skill usages. You're delaying self-healing and violating the prime directive of a tank when doing that. I can't talk about healing and their oGCDs/triple weaving as well as I want to, as I am not skilled enough in healing to do so; perhaps a healer wants to add their thoughts? As for being able to triple weave with the assistance of "NoClippy" or "Alexander"... It breaks the fundamentals of what the combat was designed for and leads to unfair advantages, which you acknowledge in the video and in the comments here. "It's a strict advantage." Yes. It's a modification to FFXIV that I wish to see discontinued because it provides an unfair advantage, breaking the fundamentals of the combat in this game, and leads people onto the wrong path trying to optimize their damage. It is unrealistic to even say "hey you can achieve this [triple weaving] with low ping" since no one from the playerbase will ever have that. Not even the devs themselves. In the interest in promoting discussion, triple weaving may be a madman's way of improving damage (assume no use of NoClippy, assume GCD drift) and may very well lead to an improvement of damage *somewhere*. But someone would have to truly understand this game to know what that case is here. Recognizing non-optimized scenarios, a triple weave can help maintain or practice rotation in the interim to see if a skill can be lined up for use later down the line, in the case of long cooldowns (Dragonfire Dive, Addle, Macrocosmos, etc..) on a singular skill-to-skill basis. I like the video quality itself, script quality is good- love the gameplay. Wish you all a good day!
If you have sub-10 ping you can triple weave without NoClippy/Alex. How can you be ok with someone being at an advantage because they live in a very specific geographical location but not be ok with someone using a tool that is available to anyone who wants to use it to achieve the same result?
I mean, it's literally just fixing the game. This is how the game functions normally if you live close enough to the servers. The third-party tools just allow everyone to get that same experience.
Optimization information is beneficial for raiders interested in improving their damage. Believe it or not, just because someone wants to do better damage, regardless of their reason, it does NOT mean they are all brainrot parsers. This video strictly explains how triple weaving is a damage increase-something not limited to Dragoon, by the way-and how the general playerbase (those without high speed internet and/or those limited by living conditions) can access this intended form of play via third party tools. If it doesn't sit right with you to use them, then simply don't. At the end of the day, this video remains informative regardless of how you approach it. There is no advocating the usage of them anywhere in this video either, but anyone who has the self interest in improving their play whilst having the brain capacity to actually parse this video's info knows that already. Take care, buddy.
-> 3rd party tools -> fair and no cheat -> Parsers got brainrot You guys do know that if you use any 3rd party tool / mod / plugin you are in the same bucket like the ACT parsers? What even is a TOS right? lmao
some people feel like accusing me of botting my rotation so if you want to confirm in the log of these runs in the background then you can feel free to do so:
www.fflogs.com/character/id/19710094#
just open the kills for august 20th and compare with the other wipe logs
why do u use legsweep off cooldown
@@EdgyCF for fun
@@siorainori what.
@EdgyCF for fun (but its not even pressed off cd what a noob lmao)
mans got adhd i guess
I'd also like to bring up in this that the animation lock for some classes is really bad. (Not just Dragoon optimization, but pre-jump change dragoon is also applicable in this.)
I primarily play Tank/Melee, so I can only really speak on those.
Gunbreaker is basically unplayable at higher ping, because of how long of an animation lock blasting zone has on it, even if you plan to only double weave you hard clip into your gcd. You can argue now that you no longer have your gap closer to press in burst it's not as bad. But continuation combo and blasting zone being as long as they are is insane for an "instant" ogcd.
Ninjas mudras used to lock each other out if you were on higher ping. Now there's the issue of how mudras will overlap and not go out, but that's a different ping issue altogether.
Reapers enshroud window ogcds will lock you out of the gcd. Even the new class, Viper, has this same issue with animation lock in it's reawaken window. With the Legacy's, you will automatically clip into your generation gcds while inside of reawaken. You technically won't fail reawaken, but your double ouroboros would be nearly impossible to hit.
People say will say "Optimization doesn't matter" as a blanket statement, but people forget that on-content ultimates exist. And they're built around people playing correctly at low ping. Not the tiny optimization, but the larger picture of playing a class correctly. Being ABLE to double weave. When playing on higher ping (120-200), it's basically a completely different game. While I don't use them myself, these tools allow my friends who play on high ping from South America to deal with these issues easier.
I think i find myself triple weaving most at round the 2 minute burst more often than not cuz at times it makes things line up just a bit better as far as timers go and at times even just kinda locking myself in to better line up for a mechanic in some cases too
Great vid ty for it! I'm always looking to optimize and DRG has many opportunities for it.
Regardless of use of tools, SE designed DRG to be at a direct disadvantage for a lot of people w/o it. For people wanting to optimize at a high lvl they feel like a necessity.
Now if only we can get starcross to be a ranged attack/have better ranged options than piercing talon 😅
The way I see it is that every JP player will have ping that's as good as NoClippy if they have decent net, so if anything using Clippy just puts you on an equal playing field with JP players.
ppl r so repulsed by the concept of someone using tools to outperform them that they lose their heads at the mere discussion of why someone might want to use those tools at all. i don't really care one way or another but guys i think its more useful to use this as a means of discussion around job design and the way the 2m meta has only increased the amount of heavy consecutive weaves required, has only reduced the value of sks melds, has only further emphasized a need for a competitively low and reasonably stable ping in order to not grief your party.
don't shoot the messenger, ask questions and get thinking about what all this information means for the game as a whole
also lets be real, you don't have to bother fighting anim lock, you can just toss GSK out of buff window and as long as you don't screw everything else up you aren't going to troll your group with the potency loss. don't make it into an excuse for why you aren't clearing dps checks.
@@armorparade ty sir for being reasonable
@@siorainori like i just dont think its useful to talk about tools like a boy scout when job design ends up being so hostile to anyone that wants to perform well and/or play under less than perfect conditions
if sqex actually wants to reduce the amount of people using these tools, wagging the finger isnt enough bc the reasons why people turn to them doesn't go away and has only increased each xpac despite them claiming to want to make jobs less Difficult or Busy. they need to step up their game and rethink the way they've made us sandwich our buffs together and stuff as much as humanly possible into 20s windows even on jobs that were originally never intended to function that way. brd and drg have suffered so much for it even if there are things i like about their present incarnations
and its just not good enough to sneer and go "well i just wouldn't use tools 😏" and get on a moral high horse bc being a boy scout for a company that we fork over 13 usd a month to for piecemeal qol, uncreative job updates and still no sign of a cross-dc pf. i think thats just corny. in a way i think tool users are an important part of this games ecosystem bc they are the canary in the well indicating friction and pain points ppl are having with the game's services and if sqex is serious about refining the player experience they would work faster and with more care to improve on the things to where people no longer feel a need to break their sacred tos
Alright,
I'll take a crack at this discussion and hope I don't get torn up by the parse community in the process-
Triple weaving is a DPS/functionality loss in all circumstances, with probably very, very, very few exceptions. In terms of damage, GCDs all have higher potency than oGCDs, resulting in the effect that if you drift a GCD and potentially lose one or more skill uses before the boss kill time, resulting in a loss of potency. Sure, your burst goes up and you'll register higher on a DPS meter in the moment, but does not increase DPS fight-wide. In terms of tanking, if you're triple weaving mitigation, you're either 'kitchen sink'-ing, panicking, or trying to force enable some functionality for your job; or increase your party's survival. In an example, where you lose functionality, Warrior's bloodwhetting does not give health on oGCD skill usages. You're delaying self-healing and violating the prime directive of a tank when doing that.
I can't talk about healing and their oGCDs/triple weaving as well as I want to, as I am not skilled enough in healing to do so; perhaps a healer wants to add their thoughts?
As for being able to triple weave with the assistance of "NoClippy" or "Alexander"...
It breaks the fundamentals of what the combat was designed for and leads to unfair advantages, which you acknowledge in the video and in the comments here. "It's a strict advantage." Yes. It's a modification to FFXIV that I wish to see discontinued because it provides an unfair advantage, breaking the fundamentals of the combat in this game, and leads people onto the wrong path trying to optimize their damage.
It is unrealistic to even say "hey you can achieve this [triple weaving] with low ping" since no one from the playerbase will ever have that. Not even the devs themselves.
In the interest in promoting discussion, triple weaving may be a madman's way of improving damage (assume no use of NoClippy, assume GCD drift) and may very well lead to an improvement of damage *somewhere*. But someone would have to truly understand this game to know what that case is here. Recognizing non-optimized scenarios, a triple weave can help maintain or practice rotation in the interim to see if a skill can be lined up for use later down the line, in the case of long cooldowns (Dragonfire Dive, Addle, Macrocosmos, etc..) on a singular skill-to-skill basis.
I like the video quality itself, script quality is good- love the gameplay. Wish you all a good day!
@@XemsiFaye "not even the devs themselves" Does He Know?
If you have sub-10 ping you can triple weave without NoClippy/Alex. How can you be ok with someone being at an advantage because they live in a very specific geographical location but not be ok with someone using a tool that is available to anyone who wants to use it to achieve the same result?
I can confirm, I can triple weave without addons, but I do live right next to the servers
@@aSmolGoth what
@@aSmolGoth NoClippy simulates 10ms, not 0ms.
some of these comments are so funny HAHAHAHA
Fellas whats the name of the spear he is using at the begining of the video? Im hoping i can find it somewhere
What?! Triple weaving, I struggle to double weave. :(
today i will forego pressing gcds at the end of the fight and just spam ogcds its peak💯
leg sweep
Damn, a lot of the people on FFLogs don't play tanks then. Sometimes triple weaving a defensive in burst windows is necessary
Only if you plan poorly.
5:03 "our best option is to life surge the chaotic spring gcd"
wild opti right here
Insane how cheaters act
Obvious ACR usage lmao
what is it ?
just download 3rd party tools bro so you can do more dmg, totaly fair and no cheat. parsers really got that brainrot.
I'm not advocating for anyone to use them, I'm only explaining the reason behind why they are a strict advantage
I mean, it's literally just fixing the game. This is how the game functions normally if you live close enough to the servers. The third-party tools just allow everyone to get that same experience.
Optimization information is beneficial for raiders interested in improving their damage. Believe it or not, just because someone wants to do better damage, regardless of their reason, it does NOT mean they are all brainrot parsers.
This video strictly explains how triple weaving is a damage increase-something not limited to Dragoon, by the way-and how the general playerbase (those without high speed internet and/or those limited by living conditions) can access this intended form of play via third party tools. If it doesn't sit right with you to use them, then simply don't.
At the end of the day, this video remains informative regardless of how you approach it. There is no advocating the usage of them anywhere in this video either, but anyone who has the self interest in improving their play whilst having the brain capacity to actually parse this video's info knows that already.
Take care, buddy.
-> 3rd party tools
-> fair and no cheat
-> Parsers got brainrot
You guys do know that if you use any 3rd party tool / mod / plugin you are in the same bucket like the ACT parsers?
What even is a TOS right? lmao
@@yep8058 Why do people suddenly start caring about ToS as soon as they install FFXIV? Who even reads ToS for any other game or service that they use?