This research has the potential to heal the minds of thousands of descent, heartbroken parents who have for decades blamed themselves for the divergent their child turned out to be. Thank you Dr. Peter for courageously speaking truth.
on the other hand it has implication for the genetic profile of the parent, im just wondering if my dad would own his own genetic significance in ths regard.
@@indijamahjoeddin5195 genetic traits can exist invisibly in potential in parents so it's worth looking at the wider family. In our case it seems to zigzag through the generations so there always seems to be one but you don't know where they'll pop up.
Such a huge relief and release for parents of adult narcs who feel responsible for such a person. And yes it was evident from early childhood. Wow, I feel liberated - thank you.
Please don’t stop doing these videos!! After watching over 100 videos about narcissists I was still ruminating about the narc. After hearing ONE video of YOURS i totally stopped immediately!! It finally all makes sense. Something was missing and this is it, genetic!!! I can easily walk away with love now. Now when I look at his pictures I see the real him. He does not look at all the same all of a sudden. Mind blowing, finally. THANK YOU SO MUCH ❤❤
BRAVO and kudos to you, dark horse Dr. Salerno! You are giving a heroic voice to those victimized first by a perpetrator, and secondly by a system which continues to spout old, errant ideology.
I will 100 percent validate your experience of life with a partner with this. I was given the exact advice. I had a hard time leaving because couples counseling and ministers with good intentions were the first people consulted. The partner was a highly intelligent and genius with the highest academic letters and convinced me to stay longer than I should have. By that time, it was dangerous. I wish people could understand that you cannot call them out but make a plan to exit. Once they know you are aware of how they operate it will literally become almost impossible. No one wants to believe the person they chose is not who they pretended to be. Young people need to know what these character traits look like and what to look for.
@kpf2014 I am sorry Dr. Salerno had this experience, but very glad he shared it. Specifically how attachment theory was shoved down his throat instead of 1) getting the trauma therapy he needed and, 2) being left in the line of fire where his safety was in grave danger. This is why the pop-psychology use of Attachment Styles lost my favor long ago. Too many therapists have either gotten complacent and use attachment styles as a broad stroke or they insist on using attachment styles because they're in their own toxic relationships and are delusional about it.
I appreciate you. You are the first person who has ever explained the narcissism experience that captures what I have experienced. I haven’t even been able to describe it, because I feel like I have been in a blender….
I married and raised children with a NPD partner, it was very very difficult. I have thought for a long time that NPD is mostly genetic, based on observations over that time. In my opinion you offer a far more realistic and material explanation of personality disorders, the way you describe the nuances of the behaviours really hits the nail on the head. No magic, faulty wiring is what it really seems like, way more than learned behaviour.
I appreciate your research. I work with adults and teens who have experienced trauma. I have found that I am carefully screening to ascertain if relationship distress fits the criteria for ptsd. Relationship trauma from someone who has experienced narcissistic abuse does not fit neatly from the criteria in the DSM. It is refreshing and useful for us clinicians working in the field to have someone who is carefully studying the research and disseminating information. I also like that you cite your resources. The actual victims who have suffered are often stuck trying to figure out why someone would act in abusive ways and they themselves are offering explanations that it is because of trauma. When I tell them that they are operating in a different paradigm and different understanding of relationships than the narcissist, they start finding relief. Thank you for talking about the ACE! I cringe when I hear professionals using this as an absolute to screening clients and readily make a ptsd diagnosis. Thank you!!
Having read his new book and having read everything I could over the last 5 years, finally here is a learned Dr, who has written extensively with a level of professional curiosity and research and most importantly allowed the EVIDENCE to lead the way forward. Knowledge, research and wisdom are clearly his main tools which he has used to build on previous understanding and question where necessary to develop our understanding and knowledge. Having read his book it has finally clicked and where previously accepted views just didn't add up, he has filled the gaps. I urge you to read the book, cross reference his data. The key to the lock opens and an "OH MY GOD, YES THIS MAKES SENSE MOMENT" filled my questioning mind. Truly a big thank Dr Salerno. Kind regards, James.
You're supposed to get a formal education, not go running around scraping up pop psychology..which this basically is..unbalanced, biased, and leaning on VERY thin research compared to trauma-based. He's got an angle to profit off of...I'm with him..its a viable debate but will solve nothing. Except paying his rent lol.
@@stoneneils His work is far from pop psychology. Pop psychology is what we see in the mainstream. Trauma-based research applies more to victims of narcissistic abuse than it does to narcissists. If you bothered to actually read his book and check out his resources, it's very plain for all to see that his work is cutting-edge.
Thank you so much Dr. Salerno for making this video. I have been married to a narcissist for 39 years and it has almost killed me. I ended up with cancer and then finally got out. He got counseling for 2 years and it never touched narcissism. What you are saying, makes so much sense! I am so greatful for your wisdom.
Exactly! The issue is that psychopathy/narcissism/etc.. research were largely based on what the most notorious criminals reported, but these individuals are often the biggest liars. Therefore, we cannot fully trust their accounts. Unfortunately, much of what is taught in schools about those people is based on these studies, which is not accurate or reliable. This highlights the urgent need for a review and update of the educational material on this topic.
@@blackdog1392 The problem is, they don't ask mothers, and that could change a lot of things... but as we know, women have no credibility in the medical field, or anywhere else for that matter. Usually, their first victims were their mothers, and that's why they portray them so negatively. They live in a fantasy world where their mothers are their enemies, when in fact she's the exact opposite. Not in all cases, but often.
If not lying outright their use of the word seems random, incommensurate and staged for effect. My sister uses it for her mild discomfort whilst dismissing the lifeshattering trauma of others. how can you measure the semantic intention of their historical reportage?
Sorry you have to protect yourself from those self style experts out there. You were the first therapist I found who truly helped me and understood what I was going through. I had been through four therapists and I was circling the drain. I can’t thank you enough for your perspective, passion and dedication to your work.
Thank You Science is dynamic We need to stay open to new research and keep learning I’m frustrated with doctors who stay attached to data that is antiquated and proven invalid That is a disorder of its own I appreciate your diligence to discover the truth This topic in particular and my struggle with my confusion over what went wrong with my son He’s a lost soul either BPD like my mother or NPD like my dad Not sure which But you help me sleep at night I tried so hard to help him over the years I can’t imagine how I screwed him up yet I have been blaming myself to no end What you have discovered make sense I finally can see this is not my fault
You are salvo for my soul. I'm a resident therapist with a grown son who shows a great deal of narcissism. He was doted on snd fully supported so it baffled me that as a mom, I was blamed or somehow responsible for his personality. I am living proof that nurture doesn't conquer nature. May you continue to receive affirmative acknowledgements that will drown out the misguided and dangerous voices of thise of us who are not receptive to learning or change.
I have a narcissistic son and I blamed myself because I doted on him and supported him. I thought I spoiled him. This research brings me a lot of relief.
Thank you so much!!!! I tried so hard to understand why we try so hard to change people! And how many lives are lost and destroyed and run havoc in our lives understanding people hoping they will change! I have a daughter it will helps me a lot! In the Bible why Jesus walked on people who don’t accept His teaching and tell his disciples to shake their feet leaving a country who don’t accept the gospel! Why He said don’t give away your pearls to the pigs! Now even God is telling us all along we can’t change people we just need to accept who they are ! If you see the first signs of them being dangerous you don’t rationalize it you leave!!! Such a genuine enlightened soul that blessed this Earth! Your truly created in such times like this !!!❤
Thank you. Finally, what I have suspected, my son and his father have the same behaviours. And my son, in therapy just gets worse in his behavior toward me.They also excuse each other.
So sorry. I went no contact with my oldest in 2017 because I couldn't take the abuse anymore. She was in therapy since the age of 9, no help at all. Also got divorced in 2018 from a horribly toxic and abusive man.
I feel for you and will pray for you. I gave birth to a child in early 80's who remains an absolute nightmare in my life as well as the lives of 4 sibs. I knew by the time this child was 3 that there was something wrong. The guilt I have carried over the decades because of Pros reinforcing my now grown monster that their miserable life is all my fault has stolen little pieces of my soul over and over again. This new research is going to save the sanity of so many parents. Please take care of yourself emotionally and physically.
@@stellablue7435 I agree. It is so painful to think that you have done this to a child. I ruminate all the time about my pregnancy, because I was so ill, that the sickness could have caused it, or maybe it was the tuna I ate. My pediatrician told me she had a temper on her first visit at 1 week old, and she was my first, so I didn't know her behavior was different. When I had my second daughter I couldn't believe how easy she was compared to my first, and I knew their were huge differences between the two then, my oldest was almost 2 years old at the time. So sorry you have been going through this too, it is heartbreaking.
I’m so thankful for your knowledge and your book! I have always thought as a victim of a pathological husband, and learning about these disorders on my own (because honestly, I think all of us had to learn and figure out ourselves what was happening,as trying to explain it to someone who hasn’t an experienced it, or a mental health professional who does not have any understanding of how diabolical these people truly are, are clueless) that trauma wasn’t the problem! I have ran across a few other mental health providers online recently who have also expressed your same viewpoints. I hope that other mental health professionals get on board with this theory so that victims can be saved. When I look back on what I have been through, it sounds unbelievable to describe it to someone, lunacy even. If it wasn’t for me researching and coming across knowledgeable people, I would have never known what was wrong with him, now I have learned so much. I never knew that people like this existed, and I don’t think those who haven’t experienced it can understand. I hope this makes sense my phone kept freezing up for some reason but thank you for your dedication and thank you for your book
A client pointed me to your work I have bought your books. I also follow some of the other Narcissist "experts" like Dr. Ramani and will be doing an intensive training through her starting next month. I think one of the hard parts for most people is we seek "security and safety" in what we know to "be true", but when that might change, it really shakes us up. My interests in multicultural and feminist ideology, started my persuit to be open to understanding that we can go with what we know, but we have to be open as much as possible to the chance that change may come. Especially, as science has deepened, technology also has provided extreme advances, but to be responsible therapists, we have to continue to learn and consider. I look forward to reading your books as a I a ton with Attachment wounds, trauma (EMDR trained), and now really want to get a grasp on narcissistic abuse and how to support clients.
Love it! We need to revise how we view things as new research comes out, and I applaud you for re-considering past “known” facts. I think that there is such push-back on Cluster B personality disorders having a large genetic component because of how we view the world. We want to believe people can change, and the large heritable factor limits that quite significantly. The rubber band theory - PD folks can move a little if they do the hard work, but revert immediately in the face of any stressor. And we want to believe there is a reason why we are used and betrayed - hurt people hurt people - instead of the reality that the way they are made increases the likelihood they will believe they are entitled to act the way they do. I still agree that environment/upbringing can influence somewhat, but there is definitely no “Tabula Rasa”. The innate temperament is born. And if they’re difficult babies, kids who annoy the teacher by their behaviors, teens who are avoided by others because of their actions of demand or grumpy entitlement, etc. then they also get more negative feedback than peers or siblings without that genetic temperament. So, even without traditional childhood trauma, I can see how the temperament influences the environment and they can experience more punishment and negative social interactions, further feel like they aren’t liked and it’s them against the world, etc. So, that childhood environment ends up reinforcing the Cluster B traits. That is still not an excuse for their behaviors, and the reality is that allowing (instead of punishing) their behaviors in childhood isn’t a good option because it further allows them to act in unhealthy ways. I don’t know the answer on how to support pro-social behavior in childhood with kids with these extremely difficult temperaments, and that says a lot since youth & family work has been my specialty for 15+ years.
Whether narcissism is mostly influenced by hereditary traits, or by a reaction to something traumatic , does either make a person sinister or morally wrong? Or does it stem from a reaction to negative emotions like anxiety and an attempt to avoid it? My own conformational bias tells me that the trauma responsible could be as simple as a failure of parents to recognize anxiety in their children who have a genetic predisposition to be extra sensitive to anxiety/negative emotions and therefore being unable to help them cope with anxiety/negative emotions in a healthy manner. And so many of us are so clueless when it comes to emotional health that it’s no wonder we can inadvertently be responsible for the development of personality disorders in our children with certain genetic traits and sensitivities.
A therapist still seeking full certification as a licensed professional counselor diagnosed me as having “avoidant personality disorder”; I am not totally sold on that diagnosis. My five siblings and I have been medicated for depression on and off again. Two of my sisters have been diagnosed with bipolar mood disorder but I believe I see aspects of borderline personality disorder in both. My mother had very strong but undiagnosed borderline and sociopathic aspects. So, based on this video your theory would be that my family is quite genetically challenged - as opposed to behaviorally challenged - as concerns personality disorders.
That's actually what convinced my therapist is I gave them an opportunity to listen to a recording I made of how he talked to me. She still believes it's based on his trauma but recommended that I keep myself safe from his anger. I still feel victim blamed for codependency but working on that is the only way to recover from a trauma bond, so I will take it.
OMG, thank you! I was brought up with 2 alcoholic/narcissists. My 4 siblings are narcissistic and I am an empath and was the scapegoat. I had to be in therapy for many years from the gross abuse. I married 3 narcissists over the years because that is what I knew and was comfortable with. I didn't like it but was comfortable with it. I have always said it must be genetics because why didn't I become a narcissist? I must have gotten a gene or two a few generations back that weren't narcissists. It is eerie now when I speak to my husband now that I am aware to see his total lack of empathy and he just doesn't get it or his lack on conscience. I would leave but he is 82 (and was a psychologist) and I am 73 so I'm not sure what I will do yet. He literally works to mentally try to destroy me as my family did but I ignore him now. Who does that?? Same with every narcissist I know. I think the 7% of the population is referring to the malignant narcissist like Trump which is the extreme. There are many degrees and people having "traits" versus NPD. If someone has no empathy I don't see how that can possibly be taught to feel empathy in therapy. It is like they have a missing a chip. Great information. My husband and I would have a fight right before bed. I would be up for hours upset and he would turn over and be snoring in 2 minutes. They feel no shame at all. I have also found that a narcissist cannot have a genuine conversation and they are evil. I am sure you know of Dr Vankin. I really believe he understands narcissism and he claims he is a narcissistic psychopath!
I have two thoughts: 1. WOW! This is so important and helpful!! It explains so much! 2. Now what? What hope is there for people with PDs? What can be done? (I've seen a couple of people ask this in the comments with no answer - is there no hope?)
Greetings from sunny SW Florida. Now I understand your conviction. I'm so sorry you went through that. I speak from experience. I'm trying to heal now. Thank you for sharing
I agree completely with your research findings. My opinion comes from real life experience. Brief story…my youngest son took his life due to his mental illness last December, he was a narcissistic with probably other cluster B personality disorders, he was a psychologist at Boys Town in Omaha, NB, his biological Father has been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder close to 40 years ago, my son was 46 years old. No one else can even connect the dots in seeing his true personality disorder. I want to Thank You for your research and integrity to do the right thing by publishing your results. It answers my question to Why did my son take his life, which I have been to three different therapists in four months, and they were clueless. The last therapist left me traumatized.
Thank you for sharing your research. I was in a relationship that caused me to believe differently than what my conventional therapists were telling me 30 years ago. I feel seen and heard when listening to your videos.
Dr. Salerno, if personality disorders are genetic (which I believe) why does one family member-often the scapegoat-not develop a personality disorder? Why does it seem to skip that person? Is there an explanation for this? The scapegoat is usually the most traumatized but, miraculously, the most empathetic of them all. What makes two people with the same trauma background so different? Thank you.
I feel that scapegoats become scapegoats due to them not having the cluster b genetics. Like ,its an instinctal thing for a cluster B to make the child with normal genetics the target while the golden child already is marked by same gentics as the parent so they become narural selection "golden".
Hi. Great question. I cover this in my book in more detail, but essentially, there are all kinds of genetic conditions and disorders that are not inherited by every single member of a family. This is often due to varying inheritance patterns and a phenomenon known as spontaneous mutation, which is, quite simply, a mutation or alteration that spontaneously occurs. If someone in your family has a personality disorder like narcissism, it is not a given that you will automatically have a personality disorder too. This is also the case with other disorders, including autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, and schizophrenia, to name a few. Two people from the same shared environment can be so different because of their personality traits and temperament from the start.
@@DrPeterSalerno what about you only inherit your mothers or your fathers gene? - I (dxd) match my mothers (undxd adhd and empathy). im the scapegoat of course. The rest all sliding into psychopathy at late middle age and still enabling narc dad at 94!
I had a narcissistic father and several narcissistic relationships. Out of my three siblings and myself, I believe only one inherited the condition. And I would say we were all abused in different ways. But what I find amazing is that I recently read Angels, Demons and the Nephilim by Kieth Baldwin. He talks about the depravity of mind in the Nephilim before the flood, then it was tamed or watered down after the flood. Once all of the giants were killed society forgot all about them, but the evil continues in the bloodlines, and the theory is that it is genetic through the male line in particular. That's why Jesus couldn't have an earthy father. Anyway, I have been convinced ever since that narcissistim is genetic, now you have given more proof of my theory. Not only that, but I had a friend growing up that was very controlling and bullied me , she was always like that from a very young age. Interestingly though, a lot of people who are narcissistic claim they were severely abused. Perhaps they are lying, but again, narcissistic parents are usually abusive so it is easy to draw the conclusion, even if it's wrong.
Thank you so much Dr Salerno! I had too much life experience with immediate & extended family members who I now realise seemed to be exhibiting symptoms of Cluster B & other personality disorders, psychopathy & other mental & physical health issues. I have come to similar conclusions to you. I have to say though that even if a person accepts that the root cause of their issues is genetic, they could have a better life by trying in various ways to get on better with other people. Thank you for publically speaking a potentially unpopular &, in some cases, strongly resisted truth. In my experience, accepting even disturbing truths, can be a precursor to feeling & having many positive emotions & experiences eventually. T
My ex husband had childhood trauma and he was a monster (cluster B), my nephew experienced similar trauma and he thought he was a monster slayer(schizophrenia) I don’t know if the trauma caused schizophrenia, but he was hit by a train in Dallas, so we will never know 😢 Saying that abusive people are this way because of trauma is a lie, and it leaves victims feeling sorry for their abusers, making it hard to escape their abusive grasp. Thank you for shining a light on this misconception.
Dr. Salerno, my grandson was just diagnosed with Asperger’s disease. I read that it can sometimes be confused with Narcissistic Personality Disorder which both my daughter has (I was told and fully believe she is a malignant narcissist/psychopath) and her husband is also a narcissist but a better parent although he allows her to abuse all 4 children in different ways. This particular child is abused verbally, mentally & psychologically by her and sometimes his father. Have you heard of this? I just got your book on audible. I can’t wait to read it.
Dr Salerno, if I can piggy back onto this, myself and many others have observed SO many large, extended families full of multiple generations of children diagnosed with autism and many people who show all the behaviors of Cluster B. Is there research being done on the genetic link between Autism, ADHD, and Cluster B? I understand they are not the same brain differences but there has to be a genetic link between them if so many families are full of both. I hope the question is not offensive to anyone.
So - do you think that therapists are resistant to the idea that perhaps they can’t be treated?? Is this why there still seems to be predominant opinions in the public that it’s (PD) childhood trauma?? Do you have any opinions on what a solution is , particularly for the cluster B people?? I have been bullied/abused by this type - by a variety of cluster B - they do so much damage to people who aren’t having these problems. What are we going to do as a society??
Hi. I believe the prevailing notion among professionals that PDs are caused by trauma is because people are still being taught that and not questioning what they are being taught, even though this explanation does hold any weight in empirical research or produce any results in clinical practice. I'm hoping my book and these videos will at least make a small impact on society and the field of mental health that works to increase awareness.
Dr. Kent Kiehl has a book titled, 'The Psychopath Whisperer'. He's still doing research in Alburquerque, NM which involves brain scans showing that psychopaths have underdeveloped amygdalas. His prison research follows Dr. Robert Hare's research. So glad I found your channel.
Thank you for sharing this. I e played this over and over again, just because there’s so much information. I’m definitely going to get your book to learn more. Thanks again for sharing.
@@DrPeterSalernoYou said Barnes and Noble? Thank you so much for doing this. I suspected that it was genetic for years and this is so important. I need to understand.
One thing I'm curious about is: it's a known fact that the golden child of a family will most likely grow up to become a narcissist him/herself. If the basic factor of narcissism is genetic, does that mean narcissistic parents tend to select as golden children those who display narcissistic traits from an early age?
He’ll yeah! The long-drawn-out trauma-train catch all in psychology and social work needs this critique- perpetrators use it to keep blaming & victimising others
This is fantastic! Thank you for telling us the truth. Makes sense. My narc ex husband has a brother, father, grandmother, and probably an uncle with Cluster B. Glad my children did not inherit (though they suffered in childhood by their dad’s behavior.) My son has high-functioning autism. He is living independently, yay. I would be very interested to know if there is a link between narcissism and autism. Thanks again!!
I just found your channel….please keep up the good work, you are answering and confirming my doubts and questions how trauma creates narcissism in one child but not another. Now I need to learn how to help / relate to the child who is trauma bonded. Please keep putting out your information
Wow. An answer to my long observations of the narcissicist up close and personal for most of my 72 years. I always wondered how the narcissist could confess all their sins so casually and never change behaviors.
You’re a breath of fresh air to these so disputed and disputable interpretations. The objective data and experience is courageous and far from cultivated, which is what abounds from very respected talking heads. At times I feel like personality worship and not sufficiently application of the critical thinking and scientific method analysis. Stay principled about these objectives and I see a (reluctant) growth of your message.
I think your field of work is just beginning to understand why we behave the way we do. I think normal behaviour and personality disorders are all genetic and you must feel frustrated as to why people cannot understand this when there is more and more evidence to prove that behaviour is genetic. I am no scholar but it seems to me very obvious that behaviour is based on genes. We inherit everything from genes, that includes the wiring of our brains. Hang in there with your message to enlighten people who are misinformed for you are a visionary ahead of your time. People will eventually know your research and work to be extremely insightful and helpful and your book, which I agree with everything you’ve written, will become extremely significant to lay people and professionals alike.
I was married to a malignant naracisisst for 22 years. It is definitely genetic. According to his family, he was always this way. He does have several other naracisissts in his family. We had two children and the traits are very strong in one of them and these traits were there from a very young child.
We always knew it was partically genetic, but any attemp to claim our parents/environment had nothing to do with it is laughable. My childhood friends who were bullied in school both have severe avoidance fear disoders somewhere in cluster-c probably. And my friends with dads who beat us are all psychopathic animals...two became cops fired for abuse, myself arrest 30+ times in 54 years, two dead from being in gangs. My friends with good sweet normal loving parents got married, had kids, no disorder or mental health issues.The entire USA is chock full of violence on a daily basis...psychopathy is everywhere..explain.
That's a bunch of bad assumptions. I was physically and sexually abused as a small child of 4 until I was 17, the sexual part only happened once due to my standing up for myself. There were six of us children and none of them are psychopaths, very normal and very successful except for 2 of the children who belonged to the abuser. Because of their genetics they were like their father, the abuser. Face it, it is genetics. I'm not saying we weren't affected, we were but not in the way you are speaking of. Relationships were more difficult for most of the kids except for me. I have been married a long time but who knows relationships are difficult anyway. If a person wants to be a failure or whatever they can always say poor me I was abused. It is a choice in other words not your mothers fault.
@@blee309 You just used yours and your family as the only example. That's both subjective and anecdotal. I am talking about hundreds if not 1,000-2,000 adult males who I know from the streets and jails. We all had very similar childhoods. And you were only abused once because you stood up for yourself is very revealing my friend:. How was i supposed to stand up for myself at six months old..from male penetration by my bioiolgical faterh lol..and how do you think that affected us boys when he was around us acting nice for the next 40 years. You would have become psychopathic too.
so brilliant this format the brevity of social media with the rigor of cited sources. thank you. i bemoan the vaults of research locked away from public and even professIonal access in $cholarly databa$e$. Id note - Most genetic sources (parent) will (normatively) treble their influence as an environmental factor being also nurturer and behavioural teacher as well so its understandably ambiguous. But sibling variation is so frequently binary. While everyone is traumatised in varying degrees the pd type seems distinctly switched either on or off. Of three variations in relating to environment - respond to, seek out, and influence - that we "Evoke different responses from the environment" is ground-shatteringly pertinent!!!!!
i read this as when the empath walks through the menagerie the pets stay calm the flowers bloom. When the N walks though the monsters snarl the flowers wilt . Their reality is literally different. when they blame me for the environment its an environment that only manifests when they arrive and they can never see it differently. . really hard to argue in a legal context!
Yes, no maybe so. We generally believe people are hard wired to be nurturing and sexual. Accounts of feral children indicate little sexual interest in the majority of cases. In the experiment on monkeys where babies were raised with a wire mother. Those without comforting cloth grew up to have poor social skills. The males did not engage in sexual activity and the females submitted but did not nurture their offspring. Further this does not allow for nutrient and or toxin effects on the forming embryo. Also the gut biome and mitochondria are inherited but are affected by food, medications, stress and toxins. Their makeup and activity affects mental and physical performance. The environment can affect epigenetic expression. We are still figuring out how epigenetic expression can affect people. It's a complex mosaic, but thank you for reminding me of the critical importance of genetic inheritance. It's like you can't have blue eyes without the genes, but if one isn't blue then that trait is unlikely to be expressed or may have compromised expression.
It reminds me of old disagreement about nature of light. Is it partical or is it wave? Guess what, it is both and in some cases it behaves as partical and in others it behaves as wave.
From what I am hearing today, genetics are the initial cause of personality disorders, and namely, cluster Bs. I’ll put this in my own words here so that I can ask questions. A baby comes into the world with a compromised brain via genetic mutations. Does this brain cause the cluster b personality disorder or cause a propensity toward having one or more PD? To what degree do ACEs contribute to the early formation of, or enhancement toward personality disorders? As sources acknowledge, trauma can make any cluster B traits harder to handle-- in others or oneself. ACE’s certainly create a different level of coping ability. I’m especially interested in the ability of different cluster Bs to make better choices and use self-control, with or without ACEs; especially those with NPD or BPD. The interplay of an NPD parent and a BPD child seems to be showing up and I’m watching for findings there as well. I’ll give an example and explain the connection of self-control and behavior differences. Though not differentiated in the current DSM, some clients with BPD and some clinicians have used the term, “Quiet BPD” to categorize different types of behaviors from the common client with BDP. While most (*up to 80%) with BPD have used self-harm to cope with extreme emotional dysregulation, it seems that there are a number of clients with BPD criteria, who choose to regulate their emotions more often with inward abuses rather than the outward of harming others. From what I’ve read and heard, they (Quiet BPD) feel the same extreme, tormenting pain as do all with BPD, but Quiet BPDs do whatever it takes not to harm others, ruin relationships, or lose jobs. Put simply, they try to act normally. Initially, this means that they choose to hurt themselves, isolate, or medicate in whatever way needed not to harm others. Coupled with Dialectical Behavioral Therapy tools, some clinicians find that it is easier to work with those who respond to their BPD with these Quiet BPD behaviors AND that they respond to therapy more quickly (don’t have data close by, sorry). An essential clarification is that the unofficial classification of Quiet BPD is not an indication that the client is quiet themselves. Or shall we say, a person with Quiet BPD may show consistently extroverted tendencies. It is the BPD that is “quieter,” not necessarily the person. I give the Quiet BPD example to ask about each of the cluster B’s ability to make choices (understanding how complex this can be with dual/more diagnoses and issues that may contribute). In other words, since we know through data that you have presented here that it is genetic mutations that initially cause cluster B traits, are we to understand that a person with cluster B cannot in fact change their inner experience? If they cannot change their inner experience due to their experience being caused apart from environment and apart from their response to environment, (meaning they started permanently disabled and will stay likewise) what ability do they have to change or to cope? It is certainly more convincing for those with partners and loved ones with cluster B's that the ability to change may be more questionable if a person was born with and permanently has a cluster B PD. This is why I am very interested in the ability to choose better behavior for those with cluster B. Does anyone reading know of any published work on this? As for BPD specifically, I’ve highly appreciated Dr. Daniel Fox’s work, in his publications and his UA-cam channel ua-cam.com/video/u_WS3vKT7iA/v-deo.html . There is massive hard data from both Linehan and Aguirre’s works that in fact people with BPD can do work that makes them no longer diagnosable with BPD criteria. What I don’t know is whether this is because the person changes behavior mainly, or whether they actually suffer less. If thousands with BPD are no longer diagnosable after treatment, what is the interplay with genetic, ACEs, healing as needed, and personal choice? As with any physical, mental, physiological, emotional issue, I believe to my core that most people can take whatever disability or trauma combination and impact at least some of the aspects through their attitudes, choices, and dare I say, love. I know, that belief is not very scientific and I don’t have or know of any study on love and dealing with one’s genetic mutations. But I have found that for those BPD clients who hate hurting others seem to work toward not doing so, and I would like it if they could also suffer less by making choices. Thank you in advance for reading my thoughts and any reply. *pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19068333/
" If they cannot change their inner experience due to their experience being caused apart from environment and apart from their response to environment, (meaning they started permanently disabled and will stay likewise) what ability do they have to change or to cope?" I would like to know the answer to that, too. Also your question about whether it's just a behavioral change or if they suffer less. Two great questions!
You sir are my hero! I have fervently studied all that has been presented about cluster Bs with extensive experience s with this personality disfunction . Genetics spiritual? Yes ! If our creator’s name can be found written on our genes then when God says the sins of the father can travel down through their offspring to four generations . Bible , truth . I would love to hear your thoughts on this Dr.
Thanks for your work. There is way to much pseudo science, opinions and personal bias in psychiatry and psychology, perhaps way too many PDs in the field haha.
@@believer1625 as an open ended question. A great deal. Self direction, realization you are an individual.....etc. I dunno how to fully respond to that
Thank you for this and clarifying some of the current misconceptions in the public consciousness. I believe I was a victim of Cluster B abuse. What do you believe a victim of PD abuse should tell a therapist so that they get effective treatment? Ie: is it necessary for the therapist to know that the abuse was performed by a BPD or an NPD? Or would the therapist just need to know that someone was subjected to sustained psychological abuse through gas lighting, reactive abuse, etc. Thank you for your work.
What's your opinion of children raised by narcisstic parents who dont become narcissts themselves? Did they get lucky and miss those genes? I agree with your research and this is probably concerning for people with narcisstic parents...
I feel like I'm being argued with. From my own personal experience, I agree with you. It stands to reason that someone with cluster B genetics would engage in cluster B-type abuse. The trauma is probably the result of the genes and not vice versa
If abusive personality is caused by genetics (which I have no doubt about), then that sort of absolves the abusers of responsibility too. No one would say that someone is guilty of having a Tourette syndrome, for example. What are the treatment modalities then, that actually work on this? I believe there are specific personality traits that are difficult to uproot, but the person still can choose to tame their emotionality, learn communication skills, act in congruence with a moral code, etc. By repeated behaviour, also the brain and personality should somewhat adapt. Is it simply a matter of choice and working against innate tendencies, then? Is my assumption right?
Who do you think opposes this information? Is it people with said disorders? Who else would believe they benefit from this not being true? Do you have some theory? I have another question, not related to this. Would you say AIs have a similar behavioural pattern to npds? To me there seem to be some similarity in the way they speak or interact. Maybe it's just the fact that both simulate emotions they don't feel and do the mirroring thing? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on AI interactions, with your expertise.
Dr., my sister in law is in the process of trying to escape her husband, an abuser who has already been arrested for strangling her in front of their young children. (He has a history of torturing animals, sibling abuse on his siblings from a young age, and is extremely destructive). She is working with a therapist attempting to do couples counseling with him- she is of the belief that he can change despite every source I find stating the contrary- how can I support her? My husband is a law enforcement officer who says her domestic homicide risk assessment is sky high- i worry that if she goes back to him, he will kill her, but am afraid to tell her that we can't support her returning to him out of fear that she will withdraw and not lean on us for help anymore....
Hi there. I have heard of him, mainly because some individuals who comment on my posts use his name more as a weapon against me to try and prove that I am incompetent. My understanding, after reading a bit about his history, is that he is a self-admitted narcissist. However, when he was in prison for committing fraud, he was diagnosed formally as a psychopath. While psychopaths and narcissists can be very smart people and very successful and accomplished, I think we have to factor in the reality that even a "self-aware" narcissist or psychopath, due to the nature of how their brain is wired, and their deficiencies and impairments, may not be the most credible sources when it comes to talking about the very disorders they are afflicted with. This just makes sense to me. However, if people find his work helpful, and they can trust that his intentions are sincere, I'd say that's a good thing. Also, to reiterate a point in my video, it is very common for professionals in one field to be on opposing sides when it comes to research, and these arguments should considered helpful rather than problematic. I hope this answers your question.
@@DrPeterSalernothank you for reading and responding. I just like to see opposing points of view and ponder them. Not to start a UA-cam war. I’m really trying to be objective.
@DrPeterSalerno I agree with your take on Professor Vaknin. Most of his information is very enlightening but as he is a self aware narcissist it does make me think that sometimes his intentions may not be pure. Sometimes I find that he contradicts himself alot for instance one minute he is appearing to help the victims of narcissistic abuse by giving them the information about narcissism and how to heal and the next minute he's telling the victims that there's no hope for them to heal from the abuse and that they are just going to keep on attracting the same sort of people to themselves because there is something inherently wrong with them and they projected the whole thing on to themselves because of their hidden psychodynamic expectations. It was really sadistic of him to say that and I think he enjoyed the victim blaming. I heard a few of his somewhat negative videos and wondered what his point was. I stopped trusting him after that and his constant referrals to self styled experts. I agree we all must be very careful about what we listen to but I for one want to learn as much as I can and form a well rounded balanced view. He is probably protecting himself and trying to monopolise the audience on this topic. He also had a very public disagreement with Richard Grannon and accuses him whenever possible of stealing his work. He can't help himself sometimes and the narcissism really shines through. I still watch him all the time as he is quite entertaining.
Being traumatized in childhood doesn't justify anything. It is like damaging stem of seedling, it will grow up crooked and nothing will make it perfectly normal.
I thought it has been said they wish to put all cluster B under the umbrella of CPSD eventually. That's also coming from the Power, threat, meaning framework
We have the example of Charles Manson a psychopath the reason he became that way he had a dysfunctional upbringing his mother sold him for drugs his mother was a prostitute and a drug addict . Manson from an adolescence he was involved in crime all through his life he was charming and amoral he had no remorse for his actions. So his environment was not an environment that is stable so our environment plays a huge role in shaping us then and throughout a person's life with this disorder it's environmental not DNA . You can find the info in the DSM 5 I would say is the most accurate book on mental and personality disorders .
To add, sorry if I do not want to read your book. It seems that your research papers that influenced you is all there. So I will assume that among one of the research papers that may have influenced you is the: A behavioural genetic investigation of the dark triad and the Big 5, Veron et al 2007.... They did not screen for childhood s*xual abuse amongst the twin participants... Yet claim they found a genetic link with twins....bad science there.
To add further to the twin study genetic link: the Bouchard etc al 1990, on the big MISTRA study. Again, there was no specific screening for childhood abuse! The family Moos scale does NOT pick up abuse in the family. I have tried finding out what other scales and assessments they did, but it was mostly physical and checks on personality, IQ. Why??? When we are all debating here, let's debate the foundational studies of these genetic Vs environmental on personality disorders. You say twin studies but when people actually look into the methods used in these studies. Major missing data here on childhood abuse!! Why bring up these twin studies, as far as science is concerned at best these are casual linkages to genetic over childhood nurture for why people end up with personality disorders. Advice to people is read the data, look at how these studies are conducted and people can see these holes as clear as day.
Did you see that owning a cat increases your chance of having Schizophrenia by like 60%? Toxoplasmosis yo. Those brain infections... That's the rabbit hole u should go down. It would seem to run in families but in reality the whole household is probably exposed to the cat box in the bathroom.
This research has the potential to heal the minds of thousands of descent, heartbroken parents who have for decades blamed themselves for the divergent their child turned out to be. Thank you Dr. Peter for courageously speaking truth.
on the other hand it has implication for the genetic profile of the parent, im just wondering if my dad would own his own genetic significance in ths regard.
@@indijamahjoeddin5195 genetic traits can exist invisibly in potential in parents so it's worth looking at the wider family. In our case it seems to zigzag through the generations so there always seems to be one but you don't know where they'll pop up.
Such a huge relief and release for parents of adult narcs who feel responsible for such a person. And yes it was evident from early childhood.
Wow, I feel liberated - thank you.
Please don’t stop doing these videos!! After watching over 100 videos about narcissists I was still ruminating about the narc. After hearing ONE video of YOURS i totally stopped immediately!! It finally all makes sense. Something was missing and this is it, genetic!!! I can easily walk away with love now. Now when I look at his pictures I see the real him. He does not look at all the same all of a sudden. Mind blowing, finally. THANK YOU SO MUCH ❤❤
BRAVO and kudos to you, dark horse Dr. Salerno!
You are giving a heroic voice to those victimized first by a perpetrator, and secondly by a system which continues to spout old, errant ideology.
I will 100 percent validate your experience of life with a partner with this. I was given the exact advice. I had a hard time leaving because couples counseling and ministers with good intentions were the first people consulted. The partner was a highly intelligent and genius with the highest academic letters and convinced me to stay longer than I should have. By that time, it was dangerous. I wish people could understand that you cannot call them out but make a plan to exit. Once they know you are aware of how they operate it will literally become almost impossible. No one wants to believe the person they chose is not who they pretended to be. Young people need to know what these character traits look like and what to look for.
@kpf2014 I am sorry Dr. Salerno had this experience, but very glad he shared it. Specifically how attachment theory was shoved down his throat instead of 1) getting the trauma therapy he needed and, 2) being left in the line of fire where his safety was in grave danger. This is why the pop-psychology use of Attachment Styles lost my favor long ago. Too many therapists have either gotten complacent and use attachment styles as a broad stroke or they insist on using attachment styles because they're in their own toxic relationships and are delusional about it.
I appreciate you. You are the first person who has ever explained the narcissism experience that captures what I have experienced. I haven’t even been able to describe it, because I feel like I have been in a blender….
I married and raised children with a NPD partner, it was very very difficult. I have thought for a long time that NPD is mostly genetic, based on observations over that time. In my opinion you offer a far more realistic and material explanation of personality disorders, the way you describe the nuances of the behaviours really hits the nail on the head. No magic, faulty wiring is what it really seems like, way more than learned behaviour.
I appreciate your research. I work with adults and teens who have experienced trauma. I have found that I am carefully screening to ascertain if relationship distress fits the criteria for ptsd. Relationship trauma from someone who has experienced narcissistic abuse does not fit neatly from the criteria in the DSM. It is refreshing and useful for us clinicians working in the field to have someone who is carefully studying the research and disseminating information. I also like that you cite your resources. The actual victims who have suffered are often stuck trying to figure out why someone would act in abusive ways and they themselves are offering explanations that it is because of trauma. When I tell them that they are operating in a different paradigm and different understanding of relationships than the narcissist, they start finding relief. Thank you for talking about the ACE! I cringe when I hear professionals using this as an absolute to screening clients and readily make a ptsd diagnosis. Thank you!!
I don't understand your post. I suffered childhood trauma and I have C-PTSD.
Are you saying that I don't have PTSD?
Having read his new book and having read everything I could over the last 5 years, finally here is a learned Dr, who has written extensively with a level of professional curiosity and research and most importantly allowed the EVIDENCE to lead the way forward. Knowledge, research and wisdom are clearly his main tools which he has used to build on previous understanding and question where necessary to develop our understanding and knowledge. Having read his book it has finally clicked and where previously accepted views just didn't add up, he has filled the gaps. I urge you to read the book, cross reference his data. The key to the lock opens and an "OH MY GOD, YES THIS MAKES SENSE MOMENT" filled my questioning mind.
Truly a big thank Dr Salerno.
Kind regards,
James.
Reading his book would give some closure and understanding about narcissistic abuse I guess!
You're supposed to get a formal education, not go running around scraping up pop psychology..which this basically is..unbalanced, biased, and leaning on VERY thin research compared to trauma-based. He's got an angle to profit off of...I'm with him..its a viable debate but will solve nothing. Except paying his rent lol.
Thank you James! I'm glad this material is helpful!
@@stoneneils His work is far from pop psychology. Pop psychology is what we see in the mainstream. Trauma-based research applies more to victims of narcissistic abuse than it does to narcissists. If you bothered to actually read his book and check out his resources, it's very plain for all to see that his work is cutting-edge.
Don't worry about being long winded. It's important to give the data.
Thorough. More precise regarding his communication.
Thank you so much Dr. Salerno for making this video. I have been married to a narcissist for 39 years and it has almost killed me. I ended up with cancer and then finally got out. He got counseling for 2 years and it never touched narcissism. What you are saying, makes so much sense! I am so greatful for your wisdom.
Loving this entire video still listening as I walk around . Completely shifting the way I approach sessions with cluster b’s.
Lol same
Thank you!
Exactly! The issue is that psychopathy/narcissism/etc.. research were largely based on what the most notorious criminals reported, but these individuals are often the biggest liars. Therefore, we cannot fully trust their accounts. Unfortunately, much of what is taught in schools about those people is based on these studies, which is not accurate or reliable. This highlights the urgent need for a review and update of the educational material on this topic.
Totally agree. I've been pointing this out for years: pathological liars are a reliable source of auto biograhical information ? Ridiculous ...
@@blackdog1392 The problem is, they don't ask mothers, and that could change a lot of things... but as we know, women have no credibility in the medical field, or anywhere else for that matter. Usually, their first victims were their mothers, and that's why they portray them so negatively. They live in a fantasy world where their mothers are their enemies, when in fact she's the exact opposite. Not in all cases, but often.
If not lying outright their use of the word seems random, incommensurate and staged for effect. My sister uses it for her mild discomfort whilst dismissing the lifeshattering trauma of others. how can you measure the semantic intention of their historical reportage?
Sorry you have to protect yourself from those self style experts out there. You were the first therapist I found who truly helped me and understood what I was going through. I had been through four therapists and I was circling the drain. I can’t thank you enough for your perspective, passion and dedication to your work.
Thank You
Science is dynamic
We need to stay open to new research and keep learning
I’m frustrated with doctors who stay attached to data that is antiquated and proven invalid
That is a disorder of its own
I appreciate your diligence to discover the truth
This topic in particular and my struggle with my confusion over what went wrong with my son
He’s a lost soul either BPD like my mother or NPD like my dad
Not sure which
But you help me sleep at night
I tried so hard to help him over the years
I can’t imagine how I screwed him up yet I have been blaming myself to no end
What you have discovered make sense
I finally can see this is not my fault
This is groundbreaking and confirms what I’ve long suspected. It’s genetics vs. generational trauma.
I swear if i hear "Hurt people, hurt people" 😅 one more time.
Hi there. Yes it has become a bit of a catchphrase that not's always helpful
I agree, its just an excuse with no accountability
I agree. Tired of all the excuses for extremely abusive behavior.
You are salvo for my soul. I'm a resident therapist with a grown son who shows a great deal of narcissism. He was doted on snd fully supported so it baffled me that as a mom, I was blamed or somehow responsible for his personality.
I am living proof that nurture doesn't conquer nature.
May you continue to receive affirmative acknowledgements that will drown out the misguided and dangerous voices of thise of us who are not receptive to learning or change.
I have a narcissistic son and I blamed myself because I doted on him and supported him. I thought I spoiled him.
This research brings me a lot of relief.
Thank you so much!!!! I tried so hard to understand why we try so hard to change people! And how many lives are lost and destroyed and run havoc in our lives understanding people hoping they will change! I have a daughter it will helps me a lot! In the Bible why Jesus walked on people who don’t accept His teaching and tell his disciples to shake their feet leaving a country who don’t accept the gospel! Why He said don’t give away your pearls to the pigs! Now even God is telling us all along we can’t change people we just need to accept who they are ! If you see the first signs of them being dangerous you don’t rationalize it you leave!!! Such a genuine enlightened soul that blessed this Earth! Your truly created in such times like this !!!❤
Thank you. Finally, what I have suspected, my son and his father have the same behaviours. And my son, in therapy just gets worse in his behavior toward me.They also excuse each other.
It's genetic. Of course being raised by people like this doesn't HELP because it normalizes it all but....
So sorry. I went no contact with my oldest in 2017 because I couldn't take the abuse anymore. She was in therapy since the age of 9, no help at all. Also got divorced in 2018 from a horribly toxic and abusive man.
I feel for you and will pray for you. I gave birth to a child in early 80's who remains an absolute nightmare in my life as well as the lives of 4 sibs. I knew by the time this child was 3 that there was something wrong. The guilt I have carried over the decades because of Pros reinforcing my now grown monster that their miserable life is all my fault has stolen little pieces of my soul over and over again. This new research is going to save the sanity of so many parents. Please take care of yourself emotionally and physically.
@@stellablue7435 I agree. It is so painful to think that you have done this to a child. I ruminate all the time about my pregnancy, because I was so ill, that the sickness could have caused it, or maybe it was the tuna I ate. My pediatrician told me she had a temper on her first visit at 1 week old, and she was my first, so I didn't know her behavior was different. When I had my second daughter I couldn't believe how easy she was compared to my first, and I knew their were huge differences between the two then, my oldest was almost 2 years old at the time. So sorry you have been going through this too, it is heartbreaking.
I’m so thankful for your knowledge and your book! I have always thought as a victim of a pathological husband, and learning about these disorders on my own (because honestly, I think all of us had to learn and figure out ourselves what was happening,as trying to explain it to someone who hasn’t an experienced it, or a mental health professional who does not have any understanding of how diabolical these people truly are, are clueless) that trauma wasn’t the problem! I have ran across a few other mental health providers online recently who have also expressed your same viewpoints. I hope that other mental health professionals get on board with this theory so that victims can be saved. When I look back on what I have been through, it sounds unbelievable to describe it to someone, lunacy even. If it wasn’t for me researching and coming across knowledgeable people, I would have never known what was wrong with him, now I have learned so much. I never knew that people like this existed, and I don’t think those who haven’t experienced it can understand. I hope this makes sense my phone kept freezing up for some reason but thank you for your dedication and thank you for your book
Your husband did not victimize you. It was your genetics.
Thank you! I'm hoping this perspective and the research reaches more people and more professionals as well!
@@stoneneils Do what
A client pointed me to your work I have bought your books. I also follow some of the other Narcissist "experts" like Dr. Ramani and will be doing an intensive training through her starting next month. I think one of the hard parts for most people is we seek "security and safety" in what we know to "be true", but when that might change, it really shakes us up. My interests in multicultural and feminist ideology, started my persuit to be open to understanding that we can go with what we know, but we have to be open as much as possible to the chance that change may come. Especially, as science has deepened, technology also has provided extreme advances, but to be responsible therapists, we have to continue to learn and consider. I look forward to reading your books as a I a ton with Attachment wounds, trauma (EMDR trained), and now really want to get a grasp on narcissistic abuse and how to support clients.
Love it! We need to revise how we view things as new research comes out, and I applaud you for re-considering past “known” facts. I think that there is such push-back on Cluster B personality disorders having a large genetic component because of how we view the world. We want to believe people can change, and the large heritable factor limits that quite significantly. The rubber band theory - PD folks can move a little if they do the hard work, but revert immediately in the face of any stressor. And we want to believe there is a reason why we are used and betrayed - hurt people hurt people - instead of the reality that the way they are made increases the likelihood they will believe they are entitled to act the way they do. I still agree that environment/upbringing can influence somewhat, but there is definitely no “Tabula Rasa”. The innate temperament is born. And if they’re difficult babies, kids who annoy the teacher by their behaviors, teens who are avoided by others because of their actions of demand or grumpy entitlement, etc. then they also get more negative feedback than peers or siblings without that genetic temperament. So, even without traditional childhood trauma, I can see how the temperament influences the environment and they can experience more punishment and negative social interactions, further feel like they aren’t liked and it’s them against the world, etc. So, that childhood environment ends up reinforcing the Cluster B traits. That is still not an excuse for their behaviors, and the reality is that allowing (instead of punishing) their behaviors in childhood isn’t a good option because it further allows them to act in unhealthy ways. I don’t know the answer on how to support pro-social behavior in childhood with kids with these extremely difficult temperaments, and that says a lot since youth & family work has been my specialty for 15+ years.
Whether narcissism is mostly influenced by hereditary traits, or by a reaction to something traumatic , does either make a person sinister or morally wrong?
Or does it stem from a reaction to negative emotions like anxiety and an attempt to avoid it? My own conformational bias tells me that the trauma responsible could be as simple as a failure of parents to recognize anxiety in their children who have a genetic predisposition to be extra sensitive to anxiety/negative emotions and therefore being unable to help them cope with anxiety/negative emotions in a healthy manner. And so many of us are so clueless when it comes to emotional health that it’s no wonder we can inadvertently be responsible for the development of personality disorders in our children with certain genetic traits and sensitivities.
A therapist still seeking full certification as a licensed professional counselor diagnosed me as having “avoidant personality disorder”; I am not totally sold on that diagnosis. My five siblings and I have been medicated for depression on and off again. Two of my sisters have been diagnosed with bipolar mood disorder but I believe I see aspects of borderline personality disorder in both. My mother had very strong but undiagnosed borderline and sociopathic aspects. So, based on this video your theory would be that my family is quite genetically challenged - as opposed to behaviorally challenged - as concerns personality disorders.
Hi from South Africa , THANKYOU for this balanced, truthful, valuable and free-ing info.
Narc experiences (2), therapists (5+), Dr Peter videos and book. Increased understanding and peace of mind. Thank you.
That's actually what convinced my therapist is I gave them an opportunity to listen to a recording I made of how he talked to me. She still believes it's based on his trauma but recommended that I keep myself safe from his anger. I still feel victim blamed for codependency but working on that is the only way to recover from a trauma bond, so I will take it.
I'm so happy I found you; amazing work and insights desperately needed.
Thorough, thought provoking and extremely convincing. Thank you. Have ordered your book to study this approach further.
OMG, thank you! I was brought up with 2 alcoholic/narcissists. My 4 siblings are narcissistic and I am an empath and was the scapegoat. I had to be in therapy for many years from the gross abuse. I married 3 narcissists over the years because that is what I knew and was comfortable with. I didn't like it but was comfortable with it. I have always said it must be genetics because why didn't I become a narcissist? I must have gotten a gene or two a few generations back that weren't narcissists. It is eerie now when I speak to my husband now that I am aware to see his total lack of empathy and he just doesn't get it or his lack on conscience. I would leave but he is 82 (and was a psychologist) and I am 73 so I'm not sure what I will do yet. He literally works to mentally try to destroy me as my family did but I ignore him now. Who does that?? Same with every narcissist I know. I think the 7% of the population is referring to the malignant narcissist like Trump which is the extreme. There are many degrees and people having "traits" versus NPD. If someone has no empathy I don't see how that can possibly be taught to feel empathy in therapy. It is like they have a missing a chip. Great information. My husband and I would have a fight right before bed. I would be up for hours upset and he would turn over and be snoring in 2 minutes. They feel no shame at all. I have also found that a narcissist cannot have a genuine conversation and they are evil. I am sure you know of Dr Vankin. I really believe he understands narcissism and he claims he is a narcissistic psychopath!
Thank you Dr Salerno
I had a dad and a brother with antisocial personality disorder. I ended up with CPTSD and major depressive disorder 😟
I have two thoughts:
1. WOW! This is so important and helpful!! It explains so much!
2. Now what? What hope is there for people with PDs? What can be done? (I've seen a couple of people ask this in the comments with no answer - is there no hope?)
Greetings from sunny SW Florida. Now I understand your conviction. I'm so sorry you went through that. I speak from experience. I'm trying to heal now. Thank you for sharing
Im so glad i found you today. Great information. Thank you.
Very informative. Thank you for reading from such wonderful sources!
I agree completely with your research findings. My opinion comes from real life experience. Brief story…my youngest son took his life due to his mental illness last December, he was a narcissistic with probably other cluster B personality disorders, he was a psychologist at Boys Town in Omaha, NB, his biological Father has been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder close to 40 years ago, my son was 46 years old. No one else can even connect the dots in seeing his true personality disorder. I want to Thank You for your research and integrity to do the right thing by publishing your results. It answers my question to Why did my son take his life, which I have been to three different therapists in four months, and they were clueless. The last therapist left me traumatized.
Sending you much love. May you heal.
Thank you for sharing your research. I was in a relationship that caused me to believe differently than what my conventional therapists were telling me 30 years ago. I feel seen and heard when listening to your videos.
That is wonderful to hear that this work has contributed to you feeling seen and heard. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for this amazing material.
Dr. Salerno, if personality disorders are genetic (which I believe) why does one family member-often the scapegoat-not develop a personality disorder? Why does it seem to skip that person? Is there an explanation for this? The scapegoat is usually the most traumatized but, miraculously, the most empathetic of them all.
What makes two people with the same trauma background so different? Thank you.
I feel that scapegoats become scapegoats due to them not having the cluster b genetics. Like ,its an instinctal thing for a cluster B to make the child with normal genetics the target while the golden child already is marked by same gentics as the parent so they become narural selection "golden".
Hi. Great question. I cover this in my book in more detail, but essentially, there are all kinds of genetic conditions and disorders that are not inherited by every single member of a family. This is often due to varying inheritance patterns and a phenomenon known as spontaneous mutation, which is, quite simply, a mutation or alteration that spontaneously occurs. If someone in your family has a personality disorder like narcissism, it is not a given that you will automatically have a personality disorder too. This is also the case with other disorders, including autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, and schizophrenia, to name a few. Two people from the same shared environment can be so different because of their personality traits and temperament from the start.
@@DrPeterSalerno thank you!
@@itb7439 I always thought that to, it makes sense... they can sense we are different and they ostracized us for that reason
@@DrPeterSalerno what about you only inherit your mothers or your fathers gene? - I (dxd) match my mothers (undxd adhd and empathy). im the scapegoat of course. The rest all sliding into psychopathy at late middle age and still enabling narc dad at 94!
I had a narcissistic father and several narcissistic relationships. Out of my three siblings and myself, I believe only one inherited the condition. And I would say we were all abused in different ways. But what I find amazing is that I recently read Angels, Demons and the Nephilim by Kieth Baldwin. He talks about the depravity of mind in the Nephilim before the flood, then it was tamed or watered down after the flood. Once all of the giants were killed society forgot all about them, but the evil continues in the bloodlines, and the theory is that it is genetic through the male line in particular. That's why Jesus couldn't have an earthy father. Anyway, I have been convinced ever since that narcissistim is genetic, now you have given more proof of my theory. Not only that, but I had a friend growing up that was very controlling and bullied me , she was always like that from a very young age.
Interestingly though, a lot of people who are narcissistic claim they were severely abused. Perhaps they are lying, but again, narcissistic parents are usually abusive so it is easy to draw the conclusion, even if it's wrong.
Thank you so much Dr Salerno! I had too much life experience with immediate & extended family members who I now realise seemed to be exhibiting symptoms of Cluster B & other personality disorders, psychopathy & other mental & physical health issues. I have come to similar conclusions to you. I have to say though that even if a person accepts that the root cause of their issues is genetic, they could have a better life by trying in various ways to get on better with other people.
Thank you for publically speaking a potentially unpopular &, in some cases, strongly resisted truth. In my experience, accepting even disturbing truths, can be a precursor to feeling & having many positive emotions & experiences eventually. T
I think this Doctor is definitely narrowing in on cause of narcissism.
My ex husband had childhood trauma and he was a monster (cluster B), my nephew experienced similar trauma and he thought he was a monster slayer(schizophrenia) I don’t know if the trauma caused schizophrenia, but he was hit by a train in Dallas, so we will never know 😢
Saying that abusive people are this way because of trauma is a lie, and it leaves victims feeling sorry for their abusers, making it hard to escape their abusive grasp. Thank you for shining a light on this misconception.
Dr. Salerno, my grandson was just diagnosed with Asperger’s disease. I read that it can sometimes be confused with Narcissistic Personality Disorder which both my daughter has (I was told and fully believe she is a malignant narcissist/psychopath) and her husband is also a narcissist but a better parent although he allows her to abuse all 4 children in different ways. This particular child is abused verbally, mentally & psychologically by her and sometimes his father. Have you heard of this? I just got your book on audible. I can’t wait to read it.
Dr Salerno, if I can piggy back onto this, myself and many others have observed SO many large, extended families full of multiple generations of children diagnosed with autism and many people who show all the behaviors of Cluster B. Is there research being done on the genetic link between Autism, ADHD, and Cluster B? I understand they are not the same brain differences but there has to be a genetic link between them if so many families are full of both. I hope the question is not offensive to anyone.
So - do you think that therapists are resistant to the idea that perhaps they can’t be treated?? Is this why there still seems to be predominant opinions in the public that it’s (PD) childhood trauma?? Do you have any opinions on what a solution is , particularly for the cluster B people?? I have been bullied/abused by this type - by a variety of cluster B - they do so much damage to people who aren’t having these problems. What are we going to do as a society??
Hi. I believe the prevailing notion among professionals that PDs are caused by trauma is because people are still being taught that and not questioning what they are being taught, even though this explanation does hold any weight in empirical research or produce any results in clinical practice. I'm hoping my book and these videos will at least make a small impact on society and the field of mental health that works to increase awareness.
Such important questions. They do extreme damage to other people.
Dr. Kent Kiehl has a book titled, 'The Psychopath Whisperer'. He's still doing research in Alburquerque, NM which involves brain scans showing that psychopaths have underdeveloped amygdalas. His prison research follows Dr. Robert Hare's research. So glad I found your channel.
Thank you so much for your research. My years in this earth line up with your research.
Thank you for sharing this. I e played this over and over again, just because there’s so much information. I’m definitely going to get your book to learn more. Thanks again for sharing.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy the book and find it helpful!
@@DrPeterSalernoYou said Barnes and Noble? Thank you so much for doing this. I suspected that it was genetic for years and this is so important. I need to understand.
One thing I'm curious about is: it's a known fact that the golden child of a family will most likely grow up to become a narcissist him/herself. If the basic factor of narcissism is genetic, does that mean narcissistic parents tend to select as golden children those who display narcissistic traits from an early age?
interesting i didnt know its a default , its a good question.
He’ll yeah! The long-drawn-out trauma-train catch all in psychology and social work needs this critique- perpetrators use it to keep blaming & victimising others
This is fantastic! Thank you for telling us the truth. Makes sense. My narc ex husband has a brother, father, grandmother, and probably an uncle with Cluster B. Glad my children did not inherit (though they suffered in childhood by their dad’s behavior.) My son has high-functioning autism. He is living independently, yay. I would be very interested to know if there is a link between narcissism and autism. Thanks again!!
I just found your channel….please keep up the good work, you are answering and confirming my doubts and questions how trauma creates narcissism in one child but not another. Now I need to learn how to help / relate to the child who is trauma bonded. Please keep putting out your information
Wow. An answer to my long observations of the narcissicist up close and personal for most of my 72 years. I always wondered how the narcissist could confess all their sins so casually and never change behaviors.
You’re a breath of fresh air to these so disputed and disputable interpretations. The objective data and experience is courageous and far from cultivated, which is what abounds from very respected talking heads. At times I feel like personality worship and not sufficiently application of the critical thinking and scientific method analysis. Stay principled about these objectives and I see a (reluctant) growth of your message.
I think your field of work is just beginning to understand why we behave the way we do. I think normal behaviour and personality disorders are all genetic and you must feel frustrated as to why people cannot understand this when there is more and more evidence to prove that behaviour is genetic. I am no scholar but it seems to me very obvious that behaviour is based on genes. We inherit everything from genes, that includes the wiring of our brains. Hang in there with your message to enlighten people who are misinformed for you are a visionary ahead of your time. People will eventually know your research and work to be extremely insightful and helpful and your book, which I agree with everything you’ve written, will become extremely significant to lay people and professionals alike.
Your data matches completely my experiences with various people with NPD !
This information is of inestimable value !!
Thankyou Dr. Salerno
I was married to a malignant naracisisst for 22 years. It is definitely genetic. According to his family, he was always this way. He does have several other naracisissts in his family. We had two children and the traits are very strong in one of them and these traits were there from a very young child.
Very informative and explains A LOT. hope you continue to inform us. Thank you 🙏🏻 ☺️
We always knew it was partically genetic, but any attemp to claim our parents/environment had nothing to do with it is laughable. My childhood friends who were bullied in school both have severe avoidance fear disoders somewhere in cluster-c probably. And my friends with dads who beat us are all psychopathic animals...two became cops fired for abuse, myself arrest 30+ times in 54 years, two dead from being in gangs. My friends with good sweet normal loving parents got married, had kids, no disorder or mental health issues.The entire USA is chock full of violence on a daily basis...psychopathy is everywhere..explain.
That's a bunch of bad assumptions. I was physically and sexually abused as a small child of 4 until I was 17, the sexual part only happened once due to my standing up for myself. There were six of us children and none of them are psychopaths, very normal and very successful except for 2 of the children who belonged to the abuser. Because of their genetics they were like their father, the abuser. Face it, it is genetics. I'm not saying we weren't affected, we were but not in the way you are speaking of. Relationships were more difficult for most of the kids except for me. I have been married a long time but who knows relationships are difficult anyway. If a person wants to be a failure or whatever they can always say poor me I was abused. It is a choice in other words not your mothers fault.
@@blee309 You just used yours and your family as the only example. That's both subjective and anecdotal. I am talking about hundreds if not 1,000-2,000 adult males who I know from the streets and jails. We all had very similar childhoods. And you were only abused once because you stood up for yourself is very revealing my friend:. How was i supposed to stand up for myself at six months old..from male penetration by my bioiolgical faterh lol..and how do you think that affected us boys when he was around us acting nice for the next 40 years. You would have become psychopathic too.
so brilliant this format the brevity of social media with the rigor of cited sources. thank you. i bemoan the vaults of research locked away from public and even professIonal access in $cholarly databa$e$.
Id note - Most genetic sources (parent) will (normatively) treble their influence as an environmental factor being also nurturer and behavioural teacher as well so its understandably ambiguous. But sibling variation is so frequently binary. While everyone is traumatised in varying degrees the pd type seems distinctly switched either on or off. Of three variations in relating to environment - respond to, seek out, and influence - that we "Evoke different responses from the environment" is ground-shatteringly pertinent!!!!!
i read this as when the empath walks through the menagerie the pets stay calm the flowers bloom. When the N walks though the monsters snarl the flowers wilt . Their reality is literally different. when they blame me for the environment its an environment that only manifests when they arrive and they can never see it differently. . really hard to argue in a legal context!
Yes, no maybe so. We generally believe people are hard wired to be nurturing and sexual. Accounts of feral children indicate little sexual interest in the majority of cases. In the experiment on monkeys where babies were raised with a wire mother. Those without comforting cloth grew up to have poor social skills. The males did not engage in sexual activity and the females submitted but did not nurture their offspring. Further this does not allow for nutrient and or toxin effects on the forming embryo. Also the gut biome and mitochondria are inherited but are affected by food, medications, stress and toxins. Their makeup and activity affects mental and physical performance. The environment can affect epigenetic expression. We are still figuring out how epigenetic expression can affect people. It's a complex mosaic, but thank you for reminding me of the critical importance of genetic inheritance. It's like you can't have blue eyes without the genes, but if one isn't blue then that trait is unlikely to be expressed or may have compromised expression.
It reminds me of old disagreement about nature of light. Is it partical or is it wave? Guess what, it is both and in some cases it behaves as partical and in others it behaves as wave.
From what I am hearing today, genetics are the initial cause of personality disorders, and namely, cluster Bs. I’ll put this in my own words here so that I can ask questions. A baby comes into the world with a compromised brain via genetic mutations.
Does this brain cause the cluster b personality disorder or cause a propensity toward having one or more PD? To what degree do ACEs contribute to the early formation of, or enhancement toward personality disorders? As sources acknowledge, trauma can make any cluster B traits harder to handle-- in others or oneself. ACE’s certainly create a different level of coping ability.
I’m especially interested in the ability of different cluster Bs to make better choices and use self-control, with or without ACEs; especially those with NPD or BPD. The interplay of an NPD parent and a BPD child seems to be showing up and I’m watching for findings there as well.
I’ll give an example and explain the connection of self-control and behavior differences. Though not differentiated in the current DSM, some clients with BPD and some clinicians have used the term, “Quiet BPD” to categorize different types of behaviors from the common client with BDP. While most (*up to 80%) with BPD have used self-harm to cope with extreme emotional dysregulation, it seems that there are a number of clients with BPD criteria, who choose to regulate their emotions more often with inward abuses rather than the outward of harming others.
From what I’ve read and heard, they (Quiet BPD) feel the same extreme, tormenting pain as do all with BPD, but Quiet BPDs do whatever it takes not to harm others, ruin relationships, or lose jobs. Put simply, they try to act normally. Initially, this means that they choose to hurt themselves, isolate, or medicate in whatever way needed not to harm others.
Coupled with Dialectical Behavioral Therapy tools, some clinicians find that it is easier to work with those who respond to their BPD with these Quiet BPD behaviors AND that they respond to therapy more quickly (don’t have data close by, sorry). An essential clarification is that the unofficial classification of Quiet BPD is not an indication that the client is quiet themselves. Or shall we say, a person with Quiet BPD may show consistently extroverted tendencies. It is the BPD that is “quieter,” not necessarily the person.
I give the Quiet BPD example to ask about each of the cluster B’s ability to make choices (understanding how complex this can be with dual/more diagnoses and issues that may contribute). In other words, since we know through data that you have presented here that it is genetic mutations that initially cause cluster B traits, are we to understand that a person with cluster B cannot in fact change their inner experience? If they cannot change their inner experience due to their experience being caused apart from environment and apart from their response to environment, (meaning they started permanently disabled and will stay likewise) what ability do they have to change or to cope?
It is certainly more convincing for those with partners and loved ones with cluster B's that the ability to change may be more questionable if a person was born with and permanently has a cluster B PD. This is why I am very interested in the ability to choose better behavior for those with cluster B. Does anyone reading know of any published work on this?
As for BPD specifically, I’ve highly appreciated Dr. Daniel Fox’s work, in his publications and his UA-cam channel ua-cam.com/video/u_WS3vKT7iA/v-deo.html . There is massive hard data from both Linehan and Aguirre’s works that in fact people with BPD can do work that makes them no longer diagnosable with BPD criteria. What I don’t know is whether this is because the person changes behavior mainly, or whether they actually suffer less. If thousands with BPD are no longer diagnosable after treatment, what is the interplay with genetic, ACEs, healing as needed, and personal choice?
As with any physical, mental, physiological, emotional issue, I believe to my core that most people can take whatever disability or trauma combination and impact at least some of the aspects through their attitudes, choices, and dare I say, love. I know, that belief is not very scientific and I don’t have or know of any study on love and dealing with one’s genetic mutations. But I have found that for those BPD clients who hate hurting others seem to work toward not doing so, and I would like it if they could also suffer less by making choices.
Thank you in advance for reading my thoughts and any reply.
*pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19068333/
" If they cannot change their inner experience due to their experience being caused apart from environment and apart from their response to environment, (meaning they started permanently disabled and will stay likewise) what ability do they have to change or to cope?"
I would like to know the answer to that, too.
Also your question about whether it's just a behavioral change or if they suffer less.
Two great questions!
You sir are my hero! I have fervently studied all that has been presented about cluster Bs with extensive experience s with this personality disfunction . Genetics spiritual? Yes ! If our creator’s name can be found written on our genes then when God says the sins of the father can travel down through their offspring to four generations . Bible , truth . I would love to hear your thoughts on this Dr.
This is the most balanced opinioned Dr, i have found on this Topic. Some light in the dark for understanding.
I'm so glad to hear the material and the way it's presented is helpful. Thank you!
So Dr. does this mean all narcs have a parent or 2 that's also a narc, or can it skip a generation ? Thank you for your research !
I LOVE this video, please do more of these! I need to go back to university.
Found you on Instagram and Subscribed here. Thankyou!
Thank you for subscribing!
Thanks for your work. There is way to much pseudo science, opinions and personal bias in psychiatry and psychology, perhaps way too many PDs in the field haha.
Thank you for this, im keeping "me" together but getting discarded has reallly hurt my life and nobody gets it.
What can help in recovery?
@@believer1625 as an open ended question. A great deal. Self direction, realization you are an individual.....etc. I dunno how to fully respond to that
Thank you for such a candid approach. Looking forward to your content.
Exactly as, there are some people who are born color-blind.
Thank you Dr. Can u pls make a video on how to best treat the disorder ...thank you
Thank you for this and clarifying some of the current misconceptions in the public consciousness.
I believe I was a victim of Cluster B abuse.
What do you believe a victim of PD abuse should tell a therapist so that they get effective treatment?
Ie: is it necessary for the therapist to know that the abuse was performed by a BPD or an NPD?
Or would the therapist just need to know that someone was subjected to sustained psychological abuse through gas lighting, reactive abuse, etc.
Thank you for your work.
What's your opinion of children raised by narcisstic parents who dont become narcissts themselves? Did they get lucky and miss those genes? I agree with your research and this is probably concerning for people with narcisstic parents...
I’m Like Nr. 100 💯 😂👍🏻
OK, I'm convinced. Born not made. Now what do we do? I keep getting into relationships with these type people. What do I do?
I feel like I'm being argued with. From my own personal experience, I agree with you. It stands to reason that someone with cluster B genetics would engage in cluster B-type abuse. The trauma is probably the result of the genes and not vice versa
If abusive personality is caused by genetics (which I have no doubt about), then that sort of absolves the abusers of responsibility too. No one would say that someone is guilty of having a Tourette syndrome, for example. What are the treatment modalities then, that actually work on this? I believe there are specific personality traits that are difficult to uproot, but the person still can choose to tame their emotionality, learn communication skills, act in congruence with a moral code, etc. By repeated behaviour, also the brain and personality should somewhat adapt. Is it simply a matter of choice and working against innate tendencies, then? Is my assumption right?
Great video. 100% truth
Who do you think opposes this information? Is it people with said disorders? Who else would believe they benefit from this not being true? Do you have some theory?
I have another question, not related to this. Would you say AIs have a similar behavioural pattern to npds? To me there seem to be some similarity in the way they speak or interact. Maybe it's just the fact that both simulate emotions they don't feel and do the mirroring thing? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on AI interactions, with your expertise.
This is facinating. Is there a blood type correlation? Thanks for this wonderful presentation 🙂👍
Dr., my sister in law is in the process of trying to escape her husband, an abuser who has already been arrested for strangling her in front of their young children. (He has a history of torturing animals, sibling abuse on his siblings from a young age, and is extremely destructive). She is working with a therapist attempting to do couples counseling with him- she is of the belief that he can change despite every source I find stating the contrary- how can I support her? My husband is a law enforcement officer who says her domestic homicide risk assessment is sky high- i worry that if she goes back to him, he will kill her, but am afraid to tell her that we can't support her returning to him out of fear that she will withdraw and not lean on us for help anymore....
Dr Peter, so have you ever heard of psychologist Sam Vaknin? And if so, what is your take on him/his ideas?
Love to know this too
+1
Hi there. I have heard of him, mainly because some individuals who comment on my posts use his name more as a weapon against me to try and prove that I am incompetent. My understanding, after reading a bit about his history, is that he is a self-admitted narcissist. However, when he was in prison for committing fraud, he was diagnosed formally as a psychopath. While psychopaths and narcissists can be very smart people and very successful and accomplished, I think we have to factor in the reality that even a "self-aware" narcissist or psychopath, due to the nature of how their brain is wired, and their deficiencies and impairments, may not be the most credible sources when it comes to talking about the very disorders they are afflicted with. This just makes sense to me. However, if people find his work helpful, and they can trust that his intentions are sincere, I'd say that's a good thing. Also, to reiterate a point in my video, it is very common for professionals in one field to be on opposing sides when it comes to research, and these arguments should considered helpful rather than problematic. I hope this answers your question.
@@DrPeterSalernothank you for reading and responding. I just like to see opposing points of view and ponder them. Not to start a UA-cam war. I’m really trying to be objective.
@DrPeterSalerno I agree with your take on Professor Vaknin. Most of his information is very enlightening but as he is a self aware narcissist it does make me think that sometimes his intentions may not be pure. Sometimes I find that he contradicts himself alot for instance one minute he is appearing to help the victims of narcissistic abuse by giving them the information about narcissism and how to heal and the next minute he's telling the victims that there's no hope for them to heal from the abuse and that they are just going to keep on attracting the same sort of people to themselves because there is something inherently wrong with them and they projected the whole thing on to themselves because of their hidden psychodynamic expectations. It was really sadistic of him to say that and I think he enjoyed the victim blaming. I heard a few of his somewhat negative videos and wondered what his point was. I stopped trusting him after that and his constant referrals to self styled experts. I agree we all must be very careful about what we listen to but I for one want to learn as much as I can and form a well rounded balanced view. He is probably protecting himself and trying to monopolise the audience on this topic. He also had a very public disagreement with Richard Grannon and accuses him whenever possible of stealing his work. He can't help himself sometimes and the narcissism really shines through. I still watch him all the time as he is quite entertaining.
Being traumatized in childhood doesn't justify anything. It is like damaging stem of seedling, it will grow up crooked and nothing will make it perfectly normal.
I thought it has been said they wish to put all cluster B under the umbrella of CPSD eventually. That's also coming from the Power, threat, meaning framework
I like the overstreched introduction to be fair.
We have the example of Charles Manson a psychopath the reason he became that way he had a dysfunctional upbringing his mother sold him for drugs his mother was a prostitute and a drug addict . Manson from an adolescence he was involved in crime all through his life he was charming and amoral he had no remorse for his actions. So his environment was not an environment that is stable so our environment plays a huge role in shaping us then and throughout a person's life with this disorder it's environmental not DNA . You can find the info in the DSM 5 I would say is the most accurate book on mental and personality disorders .
I agree otherwise the narcissist can’t be held liable for his behaviour as after all he was born that way
ummm his mother was so cluster B she sold him! how can you discount genetics in his story?!
You are a godsend.
Okay I'm on listen #3. SO good.
Wow… Great lesson! Gives new perspectives! Have you seen into Dr. Franz Rupert (German) about trauma?
Thx ♥️ from Nr. 💯
This is really useful and helpful! Thank you. ❤
Could you list the main research papers that back up your assertions on this topic?
To add, sorry if I do not want to read your book. It seems that your research papers that influenced you is all there.
So I will assume that among one of the research papers that may have influenced you is the: A behavioural genetic investigation of the dark triad and the Big 5, Veron et al 2007.... They did not screen for childhood s*xual abuse amongst the twin participants... Yet claim they found a genetic link with twins....bad science there.
To add further to the twin study genetic link: the Bouchard etc al 1990, on the big MISTRA study. Again, there was no specific screening for childhood abuse! The family Moos scale does NOT pick up abuse in the family. I have tried finding out what other scales and assessments they did, but it was mostly physical and checks on personality, IQ. Why??? When we are all debating here, let's debate the foundational studies of these genetic Vs environmental on personality disorders. You say twin studies but when people actually look into the methods used in these studies. Major missing data here on childhood abuse!! Why bring up these twin studies, as far as science is concerned at best these are casual linkages to genetic over childhood nurture for why people end up with personality disorders.
Advice to people is read the data, look at how these studies are conducted and people can see these holes as clear as day.
wow.mind blown.very intresting
Thank you.
Is it possible to criminilize narcissistic abuse?
Did you see that owning a cat increases your chance of having Schizophrenia by like 60%? Toxoplasmosis yo. Those brain infections... That's the rabbit hole u should go down.
It would seem to run in families but in reality the whole household is probably exposed to the cat box in the bathroom.