Freaking Out Over Fallout
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Fun fact: Mr house was born in 2020, making him gen alpha.
Good point! I can't wait to see what Gen Alpha's kids will be called. . . no one's going to want to be known as Gen Beta.
Bet they skip it and go straight to Gen Gamma. . .
Mr house is probably watching skibidy toilet right now
@@zxyatiywariii8 gen2 I'm guessing
I liked how in New Vegas humanity on the US Southwest had rebuilt and reestablished itself enough that you now had emergent nations conquering the wastes, having formed their own internal economies with functional production, logistics, education, and organized military.
To be fair, it should have happened far sooner in the setting.
Anarchy doesn't really last long in a region with a strong military power.
@@techpriest6962 How much earlier? Most of the factions had already existed for decades, some over a century at the point the game takes place.
@@Syaniiti What I meant to say is that there should be many more factions like the NCR. Not just NCR vs BoS, Enclave, and Legion.
@@techpriest6962 There should be yes, not (necessarily) in New Vegas though since NCR has absorbed so many smaller ones over the years (as is the way of the Legion too), and is attempting to do so to some of the small groups around New Vegas. There should be different factions on the East Coast though.
New Vegas was so good, they'll never let them make an another game.
And then they maliciously destroyed the legacy of 1 & 2 with the TV show.
I'd settle for a remake with next gen graphics
I mean.. Obsidian did make another one tho.. The Outer Worlds..
Wasn't as good as New Vegas either.
@@AcolyteofRlyeh I liked outer worlds, but it wasn’t new Vegas.
@@Steve-du2nz Yeah, I enjoyed it tbh. But definitely no New Vegas.
I think praise of this show speaks more to the general lowering of writing quality in our culture than the show itself. The bar is in hell.
People are just happy it wasn't total shit and didn't shit all over the fans of the IP.
That's a win in today's culture. The show is pretty good, it's not amazing other than it turned out to be good and everyone expected a woke trainwreck
Yeah, "stop hating it!!! At least it's better than the other trash nowadays", is something I see waaaaay too often.. It's crazy how quickly people lower their standards, and then find some way to cope with themselves, when they decide to shame the people who still got standards and don't like the new thing.
@@kemeras3689 Except it IS shit. The only thing it has going for it is that it *looks* like Fallout.
@@kemeras3689 But it was a woke trainwreck, and it did shit all over the fans of the IP? That's why a bunch of fans of the IP were super pissed off about it. Did you like, miss the gigantic plotpoint where they blamed the end of the world on capitalism and turned Robert House and Frederick Sinclaire into evil caricatures?
@@TrueChaoSclx It looks like Bethesda-Fallout, which is not Fallout. So it's shit in that regard too.
I'm glad Carl is here to educate relative children on the details
including Callum, who represents the "Fallout bro" side of the fandom who represents the "nobody hates Fallout more than Fallout fans". Carl seemed to enjoy Fallout 3.
@@hengineerFallout 3 is okayish, but it doesn't capture the spirit of the originals like New Vegas does. I don't think Bethesda knows what Fallout is supposed to be and their popularity is purely coasting off of their normie Elder Scrolls audience who just wanted Oblivion but with a different skin.
@@Darkington okay gatekeeper
@@hengineergatekeeper is a compliment and proper in anything meaningful.
@@hengineerCallum has the correct take
In my case all I've wanted was a faithful adaptation to the source material that made it popular to begin with. Doesn't matter the universe.
LOTR got close back in the day, and look how still vlaued those movies are. It's for a reason.
You'd think all these braindead media companies would be able to even observe something that basic and act accordingly. It's too difficult for them to do. Can't imagine what their personal lives look like with that amount of cognitive dissonance.
The tv show isn't even a adaptation, it is supposed 2 be canon.
It's not about the money.......
@@PureMaddnessOne Even worse :/
Lotr had good writing, that's the reason.
Still standing guard at the hanger. Only 494 years until retirement.
On the bright side, at least you know what's going on. Me, I killed everyone in that outpost except the blind cook, and whenever i return, he's still standing there, confused why the alarm is still going...
It's a shame that the show is so awful and people will still praise it. We'll never get back to good writing or taking a premise seriously.
I genuinely don't know what Callum's talking about. Those graphics are _really good_ for 1997.
"for 1997" he made plenty clear that was in comparison to modern graphics and brought up older games and how they looked rough to people in the 90s, he didn't say Fallout looked uniquely trashy lol
art style is a lot more memorable than realism in video games
Honestly the original fallouts still look pretty good.
@appropriate-channelname3049 Ikr, I'll always like it, the style works.
well when 75% of your budget isn't wasted on ex new age Disney artists, that leaves a lot of money left for writing and programming
I love that liberty prime is so much like starship troopers where they tried to make the America the bad guys with sayings like "better dead than red" but everyone who played it loves liberty prime.
They tried to make a characature of America in the 60s failing to understand the actual setting of fallout in the process. But I will admit while its inclusion is stupid its too good of meme to not like in its own bubble.
I think Sargon had a bot on Discord that was called Liberty Prime for a while.
Well in the lore of the Fallout universe it was always established that China launched the first nukes.
There was always speculation of vault tec firing the first shot to instigate it or planning to do it eventually to allow their experiments to happen but they flat out state in the games that America only started launching nukes because they detected chinese nukes coming for them.
But imagine a show/franchise with China as the primary reason for the world's annihilation? Couldn't happen, both for the Chinese market and to make the west the bad guys yet again.
COMMUNISM IS A TEMPORARY SETBACK ON THE ROAD TO FREEDOM.
I'd just reccomend Maulers video on this.
It may not be a show that insults you directly but for sure insults you if you pay attention to anything beyond the aesthetics.
Another masterpiece from the Longman.
There is a theory that fallout 3 was supposed to take place 10ish years after the bombs fell but they moved everything back in the time line later in production
That theory flies for fallout 4 too
AFAIK there is no """official""" record for that. Its basically a popular fan myth.
But goddamn does it explain so much of the game's illogical worldbuilding if it was true.
All that's left is to replace the BoS and the Enclave with new factions native to the East Coast.
It doesn’t make much sense since the whole main story line relies on a lot of things happening that could only happen if it took place like at least 100 years after the bombs fell. First of all the whole twist that you were born outside of the vault. Or that the two main factions are the enclave and the brotherhood of steel.
@@appropriate-channelname3049 the main story sucks donkey ass, though. So that getting changed to fit with the appropriate timeframe would only make the game better.
@@DJWeapon8 It isn't as bad as FO4 though. FO4 was all "You must find your son! NOW! GO! ASAP! FAST AS YOU CAN!" And my response was along the lines of "who cares?" Also with FO3 you could at least skip all the pointless crap of fetch quests for information about where James when and just go directly there. Can't do that with FO4's awful writing and plotting. You HAVE to do the stupid quests rather than just go directly to Fort Hagen.
I used to defend the Bethesda Fallout series because I thought the idea in Fallout 3 was that the bombs fell so hard on Washington that it got so messed up with so many problems that it was hard for communities to build there.
I didn’t see a contradiction between liking New Vegas and 3.
Then Fallout 4 came out and I was very disappointed. It had so few communities and side quests compared to 3. I hated how limited the dialogue option was and the story was very disappointing.
I still sort of defended the lack of factions by saying that the idea was that you were going to be the rebuileder but that this was not ideal.
I liked the BoS though.
Then the Fallout show came out and they nuked Shady Sands and destroyed the NCR. I was so pissed off because they basically reset all the progress to get back to where the BoS was the strongest faction.
And the show admitted that the reason they did nuke Shady Sands was because they didn’t want things to be rebuilt like today, missing the entire point of the original which asked questions like ‘What lessons would new factions in a post-post-apocalyptic world take with them and would they repeat the mistakes of the past?’
Instead, Bethesda wants to keep them in the post-apocalypse, never advancing from their tribal ways with only the BoS being the major factions.
Everything the anti-Bethesda fans said about Bethesda’s Fallout turned out to be true and that pissed me off so much. They were entirely right and Bethesda hates the world of the New Vegas creates but you can be damned sure they are going to market it to everyone who liked it!
Fallout 3 world building was so retarded, bethesda literally forgot to put any source of food into the lore. In NV you have corn growing everywhere, brahmin, etc. In fallout 3 - there is NOTHING.
In fallout 3 they hunt the mole rats that are everywhere because the Chinese salted the earth (figuratively as they used cobalt bombs on the east coast) and they can only grow their local food in the hydroponics labs of rivet city, the caves like little lamp light and vaults.
But...There's toilet water to drink. 😂
@@MDPToaster and what do animals that they hunt eat?
@@john_squatson
Mole rats supposedly eat the same fungus as the kids in little lamplight as it grows in the ground. yao-gui eat the molerats, feral ghouls, people. Brahmin eat grass but the region is too dangerous to sustainably farm them. Bloat flies eat rotting filth.
@@john_squatson
Mole rats eat the same fungus as the kids in little lamplight as it grows in the soil, they also scavenge dead things. Yao-gui eat anything including people. Brahmin graze on grass but aren’t farmed for meat since the region is too dangerous. Bloat flies eat anything decomposing. You get the idea.
That is not the origin of Ghouls, Callum. The ghouls assume it was radiation that caused the mutation, but it was the corporation West-Tek's research into the Forced Evolutionary Virus at the Mariposa Facility.
The Chinese nuked the Mariposa facility, causing the FEV to be thrown into the atmosphere. Its that explosion which causes ghouls, deathclaws, radscorprions, etc.
A fact that most forget about. Radiation isn't what made the mutants, rather it was the mutated FEV.
Correct, but it was the FEV at the West-Tek facility in The Glow if I recall.
@@flintglockwood Just looked it up to confirm that you are correct. Seems it's been so long since I played F1 that I've started to forget things, time to replay
As I remember it was only Harold that turned into a ghoul, and maybe just maybe the enslaved workers that were tunneling through Mariposa at the behest of the Enclave in Fallout 2.
Not correct. This was an AGE OLD argument ever since FO2, where FO1 fans felt that the sequel had retconned the origin of ghouls (I was one of them).
It was clarified that it IS radiation which makes Ghouls, which is why Vault 12 (beneath Necropolis) which was designed never to close its door, allowing radiation to seep into the vault, was where ghouls came from in FO1.
Harold was a ghoul-like mutant, who referred to himself as a "mutant down on his luck" who was mutated by FEV. Typhon (IIRC) was another ghoul-like mutant found in the Follower's library who was the Vault Dweller's predecessor, who got captured and mutated and didn't return to Vault 13 after being rescued by the Follower's. These 2 characters implied that FEV created ghouls, but that was not the case with Necropolis.
The airborne, radiation mutated FEV that was the result of the nuking of Westek (The Glow) had the INDIRECT effect of creating ghoul-like mutants, because it INOCULATED wastelanders against pure FEV, so dipping them results in failed mutants. This is why after decades of experiments, the Master sought out pure humans for dipping (like vault dwellers) because they hadn't been exposed to airborne irradiated FEV. (He didn't know the cause, but he determined the best candidates.)
Ghouls come from radiation, but not just anyone exposed to radiation becomes a ghoul. It's a "special", lucky mutation and adaptation to radiation exposure. Most suffer radiation sickness and perish.
What Bethesda Fallout ALWAYS got wrong was this feral nonsense. Ghouls don't go feral. If they did, all the prejudice against them would be warranted. But it's actually just bigotry over how they look and smell, because they don't have intact skin. They're human, sentient, rational, but looked down upon unfairly. There are no such things as feral ghouls.
It is called turn BASED for a reason.
Liberty Prime has to be the best most based part of the franchise.
And he was supposed to be a satire of American jingoism. Turns out, it's just awesome.
"COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE!!!"
@@arcdecibel9986
I like to think that Optimus Prime hears and sees Liberty Prime in action and gives a thumbs up.
@@arcdecibel9986 it’s kinda like what happened to Archie Bunker from the show “all in the family”. The liberal show creator tried to paint Archie as a caricature of a blue-collar lout from Queens, but audiences loved him and hated on his freeloading hippie son-in-law, Meathead.
@@leonardticsay8046 Or Judge Dredd, which 2000AD's creators said "Judge Dredd was meant to be an over the top parody of American Police, but everyone liked him so we made him even more a fascist arsehole, but the more fascist we made him the more popular he became".
The TV show turned Fallout into Borderlands.
F3 did that, NV continued it.
@@Shockguey No. Even Bethesda's Fallouts weren't that goofy (although they really tried at times...). At least not until Fallout 76, where Bethesda completely broke any pretense, and Fallout became a comedy skit.
@@AShockToTheSystem So becoming an adult flim star in 2 was serious business?
Ironically a better Borderlands adaptation than whatever that Borderlands live action thing is.
"I just murder every1 " ... this is what i wanted to hear from the warlord him self.
It hurts my soul to see people say that the Fallout show was good. Mind you, I can see why people got pulled in by it - there's nothing else really like it in American television right now. However - this is another "Force Awakens" scenario where the "wow" factor wears off and the crippling writing flaws of work have nothing to hide behind.
Last Of Us tv show was even worse. A real struggle to finish it
It was better than the Witcher or Halo, but yeah the writing was poor.
Give it time, remember the witcher the fans knew it was DoA, still everybody gave it a chance. Season 1 was good by normie standards, 2 went a bit downhill and 3 was the trainwreck Henry Cavill managed to delay by 2 whole seasons.
The same for the Castlevania cartoon. Honestly, I'm just not watching any of these shows. People's tastes suck.
people need to start realising that coomers arent people and their opinions are irrelevant. they will eat litteral dog shit if its marketted as the current thing.
I found the fan theory of why Fallout 3 looks so grim compared to other games quite compelling; It's set in the US capital which means it probably suffered the most nuclear strikes anywhere in the USA. In New Vegas we know from a first hand account Salt Lake city was hit with something like thirteen atom bombs. If they throw that many at a city like Salt Lake Imagine how many the Chinese would commit to destroying the seat of American government. This also explains why Fallout 76 looks so lush so soon after the war (literally nothing in appalachia) and why the Pitt is still a hellscape (massive industrial complex)
I like that theory but it doesn't explain WTF happened with Boston in Fallout 4. Seemed like only one bomb hit the area which seems like under kill when compared to other cities.
@@steeltywars1 Well there is the huge crater South of Boston which must of been the main warhead but remember the Glow exists too which must of taken a few bombs to create. It is kind of strange how in all the Fallout games there are very few bomb craters though. D.C. should look like Swiss cheese.
@@steeltywars1There is a lore behind why Boston is so intact. 1. Because the northeast was one of the last areas attacked the airforce had already intercepted a lot of the Chinese atomic bombers on their way to the common wealth and the air units stationed in the north east had more notice than other areas so they where more preped to shoot down the remaining Chinese bombers. Also the main nuclear missile meant to hit Boston itself went off course and hit outside the city.
The developers actually said they had to tone down the nuke damage, because in reality with the way the Great War went, the entire DC region would be one vast sheet of glass and craters! Not much fun to play in :P
They used a truly huge amount of mostly "small" nukes, as megaton-sized "city killer" weapons were rare, but more "small" actually results in MORe damage, same principle as cluster bombs. "Big" nukes waste most of their energy into space or in pointless overkill
@@appropriate-channelname3049 Mostly correct :) But, the "big" nuke was MEANT to hit the area that became the "Glowing Sea" as that was a "sentinel" site, antiballistic missiles etc, but also was being used to develop new ICBMs, you find this out when you explore the site and find all the nukes
In the game lore, megaton sized weapons were rare, but one did hit there to try and take out the site, but, since their missile tech regarding accuracy and miniaturization wasn't nearly as good as in our world, the missile missed.
The wiki says it was a 100 megaton but that is not correct, it was 10 megatons or your character would have been fried at Vault 111 and the crater would be almost 3 miles across, but it caused the nearby reactor to melt down and shattered some of the nukes around the Sentinel site, ergo, extreme radiation
No surprise that Leo has the perspective of a toddler, where colors and flashing lights is all that's needed to keep his attention. Good story and writing? No, that's a waste of time.
You now understand what modern fallout fans are or rather modern gamers. No longer is it about thinking but rather turning off your brain and becoming a consooomer.
Some people take hobbies more seriously than others? Why judge?
He's just a degenerate.
Says a lot about Carl - mind you he did marry a single mother lol
@@mitchf.4450You can blame modern shooters like Fortnite, Siege, COD, and the like for that
That's a key difference between Gamers and people who play games. I don't fault people who want to just kick back after work or etc, I do fault companies completely destroying themselves and IPs chasing these customers though
Ok so you're in a struggle for the survival of humanity but you're going to bother with gender identity and pronouns. Turned it off halfway the first episode.
Good on you. It does not get better.
"What are the good Fallouts? For someone with a Playstation 4, not a BBC Micro."
😐
76 would suit Leo.
He plays destiny so it probably would be up his alley
New Vegas & 3 are he best after the two originals
New Vegas if you want a good 3D one, otherwise just go with 1 and 2, as they mentioned in the video, you actually gotta use your brain in those.
There are 3 fallout games, 1 good spinoff and several terrible spinoffs that have nothing to do with Fallout but the name.
Tactics is the good spinoff
Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas are some of the best writing and well executed themes in all of gaming
Hell this was worth it just for Harry and Josh ripping the piss out of each other. Some fine hits landed!
Good if you enjoy it, but I personally despise it for the fact that it's canon, and as such, will affect future games in the setting.
3, 4, 76, the TV show, and anything made by Bethesda in the future is not cannon. Simple as.
It's canon? That's a disappointment
I don't consider it canon. Bethesda might own the IP, but that don't mean I gotta take their lore as truth.
@@mitchf.4450 says who?? but I guess you'll say NV is canon because you like it more?
@@thelordraj5412 Yes, in the same way Disney Star Wars isn't canon. Bethesda understands Fallout about as well as Disney understands Star Wars, and it shows
The show is awful. People have lowered their standards so fsr.
It's a turd sandwich. They just gave you ketchup to drown out the taste. It doesn't change what it is.
The show is awful and everyone has OD'd on copium.
Walton Goggins is great and most of the cast is alright. That's about it.
Sure the actor is good, the character is terrible though.
It was, once. But Todd, Todd never changes.
Its weird how when russia was communist they were our "allies," and folks will condemn you for forgetting that or arguing against it. But when they're NOT communist but rather oligarchal theyre world enemy #1. There wasnt this backlash when they invaded Georgia.
Because people don’t care about Georgia. Ukraine has actual geopolitical importance. It borders nato, it’s one of the top exporters of grain and other food products, energy production etc…. Also the soviets where only our allies during ww2 before that and right after it ended they where our sworn enemies.
Unfortunately for Georgia, it was never on the radar of the West.
Fallout. New. Vegas.
Boring desert, F3 had more personality
Nah Fallout 2 mogs New Vegas.
@@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866Written by the same guy, Chris Avalone.
@@frdsg8350I seriously doubt you can back this up friend, Fallout 3 is a literal barren wasteland that hasn't progressed in 200 years with so little thought put into the world design that no factions has a renewable source of food.
@@Darkington
Fallout 3 has the caves like little lamp light the hydroponics labs of rivet city and the vaults to grow food, the reason they can’t grow food in the overworld is because the Chinese used a nuclear warhead that was also designed to salt the earth (a cobalt bomb as it only makes sense as to why radiation is still bad in DC). Their other source of food are things like Molerats, Mirelurks squirrels and Brahmin they they hunt and farm. you can even meet traveling hunters in the over world that will sometimes sell you suspicious meat.
Of course, if you played the game, instead of watching some shitty video essay you would’ve known that.
it was from a time when games allowed you freedom. not fallout, but in morrowind, you could kill any npc, and in a few case you get a popup: the main questline may be impossible to finish without this npc, reload or enjoy a doomed world or something like this. not the bs of the next one, where the important npcs are all immortal and the children are invincible and such.
Fallout 1, 2, and NV you can literally kill everyone including children in one and two (unless you get the Bethesda altered versions) and destroy the world.
Ur Quan Masters also.
That was true in Fallout too, in 1 and 2 you could kill anyone, and New Vegas you could kill almost anyone with the exception of Yesman, the Gun Runner Vendor, and a handful of children in Freeside and Nelis.
PSA for a low intelligence build in Fallout. The dialogue does indeed change but not to your benefit outside of a few rare instances. People will refuse to deal with you. Story characters won’t engage with you. You basically need to know where all the things you need are and how you can acquire them.
What saves the Fallout TV show is Walter Goggins and Ella Purnell are infinitely charasmatic and talented. Also, it was competently shot and looks aesthetically like it should.
The problems with the show are....exhausting. Bethsrda purposefully destroying the west coast lore because the audience clearly prefers Black Isles and the original writers' stories to their own. The obvious anti-capitalism that is cartoonish, the pro-communist beliefs of the TV writers. The nonsensical faction interpretations, Maximus us a horrible person...none of his choices makw any sense. Etc. Etc.
Indeed, it's very telling that they felt a need to return to the west coast in the show...only to destroy everything there.
its not really anti-capitalist, but anti-corporofascist which is different. I agree its a common trope in sci-fi though. If anything the Wasteland is purely capitalist, very free-market.
@@hengineer You are correct it is anti-corporatist, but I doubt the majority of the Hollywood writers room really know the difference.
Dude you literally get to nuke the NCR in Lonesome Road.
"Anti Capitalism that is cartoonish"
We literally have our Managerial Elites doing way worse things.
This is the problem with being a Mauler type. He has such a sterile view of the world where he wants all characters to be smart and rational when the real world (if you're writing realistic characters) are nothing like that.
I’m a citizen in the United States. I hope you guys conquer the world of media. We all need you.
Good vodka
Shit tv show
Fallout 1 had a time limit, but only to (IIRC) find the irradiated former vault and retrieve the water chip from it for your vault. Once you've done that there are other quests that don't have time limits, and you're free to explore. You'll also have occasional random encounters while you're exploring the map.
I played Fallout with a very different character to Carl - I went with decent charisma, intelligence 9, and high luck, and the 'Night Person' trait to boost my intelligence to 10 every night, which would unlock more conversation options. I might have to fire it up again!
Correct, iirc also (its been a while, didn't realise it was that long ago!)
Character build sounds cool btw
Luck 10 Jinx is where it's at. Everything else is up to you.
@@Syaniiti What happens then? That sounds like you'd probably encounter disaster after disaster! 🙈
@@Stormy177 Sometimes you break your arm trying to punch a man or hit yourself with your supersledge. But most of the problems happen to your enemies since you're luck 10 baby. Just don't expect to get much loot with the amount of weapons exploding (but you get to pick many up during combat)(not that it would be terribly safe to use one anyway (with luck 10 you're unlikely to impossible to have your own gun explode, but hitting yourself is quite likely still)).
Jinxed turns 50% of all misses to critical failures. Luck determines how bad the crit failure is.
Just installed Fallout 2 again a few days ago. You get the car, the Highwayman don't forget. One cool thing i learned last time i played, was how to unpack the dat file where the character and companion info is located. The player character and companions all have several versions, one for each level up, and you can modify their stats , levelling stats, HP ect and also change what weapon types they can use although that is dependent of the character model and what animations it can do so it's limited. Despite what people think about Bethesda's 3 and 4, i think we are still lucky to have fallout games in any form because for a long time the fallout franchise was dead, lifeless and void with seemingly very little hope of another Fallout for starved fans. Personally i like all the games including tactics and fallout shelter. Bunch of crashy games though! - I'm really looking forward to the Fallout London mod. Sadly they've had to delay the release of this work of art but maybe in six months? I doubt i'll be able to play it on my laptop but i'll be really fascinated to watch others play it. So that's the next fallout game essentially ... the Fallout London mod for Fallout 4.
Have just been having a look and there's a very nice looking Fallout 1 remake mod for F4 ... there's some nice attention to detail, and a New Vegas remake also for F4 that looks good.
Yeah no, saying “at least we still get Fallout games with Bethesda” is like saying “at least we still get Star Wars content with Disney,” I would rather the franchise be dead and buried with what remaining dignity it still has, rather than see its continued bastardization by people who only care about it for its iconography. It’s arguably even worse than Star Wars, in TFA we saw the undermining of Luke, Han, and Leia’s legacy with the destruction of the New Republic, but in Fallout the NCR was founded as a direct result of the Player’s actions in Fallout 1, in Fallout 2 there’s a statue of the Vault Dweller in the center of Shady Sands, for it to be off-screened and written off with a “well if it makes you feel any better it didn’t work out” is f**king insulting.
@@Slender_Man_186 Oh look at you all insulted. Your problem. I don't care for your petty criticisms. - Way to ruin your enjoyment.
@@hardywatkins7737 oh f**k off, now you’re just being a corporate simp, basically regurgitating the “you were watching it wrong” argument. The only thing petty is Bethesda’s treatment of their own fanbases.
Carl should play ATOM RPG it's basically Russian Fallout done in the style of Fallout 1 and 2 excellent game
I loved Fallout 1 and 2 - thanks for the recommendation!
@@Stormy177 you wlcome
Also, in the city of Megaton, why would an unexploded bomb leave a crater? Yes, Bethesda's version of Fallout is comparatively derpy.
Apparently the bomber made it when it crashed.
Even though a crater that big woyld be impossible even with the largest plane in real life going at terminal velocity straight down.
There also wouldn't be any wreckage left as the relatively lightweight structure of the plane would disintegrate upon impact.
And said crater would either be filled up with sand from the in-universe sandstorms that used to be prevalent before the Megaton was founded. Or if was more realistic, flooded by the rainstorms that are prevalent along the Eastern Seaboard where the game takes place in that have now been strengthened by the nuclear holocaust.
@DJWeapon8 that’s actually another big issue, you know those plane parts that make up Megaton? Yeeeaaah, those aren’t from the plane that was carrying the bomb. No, instead one of the NPCs, an old woman if I remember correctly, says that the founders of the town tore down an entire airport to the point where you can’t even tell that there was an airport (don’t ask me wtf they did with all of the asphalt) and moved all of that salvage *miles* to where the bomb is. Fallout 3 it utterly retreaded.
Ohh, i wanted to see you guys clearly state the Fallout TV show is atrocious. Mauler and Creetosis already covered that, but i need more. The production design is great and the acting his good across the board, but i cant turn my brain functions low enough to enjoy the show.
One of the writers is actually in an interview saying "We always create characters that are smart. Why not make them dumb?". Also bragging about throwing references about the games and not creating any story behind the references. And people are gushing over the show! Its the Mandalorian all over again. A completely moronic bounty hunter that gets saved by indestructible armor and weapons grade level incompetence of his enemies. And people think its great.
Bethesda have utterly butchered the lore of Fallout, if they aren't wholesale copy/pasting factions and plots nonsensically then they are intoducing ideas and concepts that do not fit the setting...for example synths don't work in Fallout, the idea a" rail road" would form up to free them in a apocalyptic hell hole is laughable 😂
Now they are going out of their way to destroy the west coast in the show, so expect more sub 80 IQ factions in Fallout 5 when it moves to the west.
The Railroad was the peak of idiocy in Bethesdas writing. Like who has their own name as the password to their secret headquarters?
@@flintglockwood That's surface level stupidity atleast 😂 The faction is moronic at a conceptual level, that's what gets me.
A game world in which people have yet to even bother removing rotten corpses from their homes and places of business, a world in which monstrosities are everywhere, a world that's barely on par with a neolithic tribe... apparently has a faction that's willing to DIE for the rights of a robot...skewered priorities. Bethesda just don't think through anything they introduce.
you vill join zee brotherhood (for the 100th time) and you vill like it - todd schwab at e3
To the defense of Megaton, they did have water cleaning equipment and distribution system. There is a whole quest to repair it for them. They also had walls at the rim of the crater which was uphill from the surrounding.
Not to mention the Enclave and the BoS and the Institute iexist. If those aren't some sort of "civilization" then I don't know what is.
@@hengineerit's not, a cabal of conspirators isn't a civilization. The BOS in 3 are definitely a civilization, but not really anything that is comparable to a growing mission until 4.
now now, that's being fair to Fallout 3 and that's not allowed!
@@hengineer The Enclave who were destroyed in 2, but somehow make their way to the east coast in about 40 years. The BoS who were a declining insulated group on the west coast who somehow rebuild to be larger than before and make their way across the entirety of post-apocalypse America in 40 years. The institute who, big props for something basic Bethesda, are an original group with seemingly no way to gather resources and have synth's because reasons that Shaun thinks we're too dumb to understand.
Midwestern chapter is the only “civilization” for the BOS as its an empire. It borders the Legions eastern most territories and goes all the way Chicago and possibly to Michigan and beyond.
the children of atom, praise the greatness of radiation, lick plutonium.
Supposedly plutonium tastes sweet, although I've never called that bluff lol
I love the periodic jabs taken! This is such a great channel!
The Brotherhood destroyed the NCR's gold reserves.
Enclaves dead on the west coast, and they had gold backing long after they where killed off. The brotherhoods war destroyed their economy and reserves before it ended with the remnants being killed or incorporated into the NCR. As such they are no longer a major economic powerhouse which has some of the old caravans grabbing caps in the event shit hits the fan.
It was actually the Brotherhood.
@@rangerboo788 My bad.
I'm having a cigar and some whisky on the porch for this. Seems appropriate.
That premium vodka was wasted on Leo, as is oxygen...
I don't know, lack of oxygen might be what caused the problem to begin with.
@@Syaniiti At birth.
Leo is making a very good argument for late term abortion.
I mean, REALLY late term.
Fallout 1, 2 and NV = fallout fans. We value the lore, writing, story, immersions and RPG aspects
Fallout 3, 4 and 76 = Bethesda fan. You value mechanics, base building, pretty colours and FPS aspects
You’re allowed to be a Bethesda fan but please ffs stop blabbering you’re a fallout fan. You’d still like the ones you like if they were any others game
100% accurate. Bethesda do not understand the Fallout IP, they offer a skinsuit version that's completely reliant on nonsensically copy/pasting the factions and plots of what came before.
They’ve ruined it with all their retcons many of which seem to be done just out of spite cause they’re sick of having theirs dogshit story writing compared to the original 2 and NV
So far my only experience has been with 4. I didn't hate it, but thought it left a lot to be desired. I did however enjoy the lore, and it inspired me to get New Vegas. Where do I fit in? 😅
lmao
@@GleichUmDieEcke nowhere, these nerds are pissed off that Fallout is popular with the masses.
Leo adds as much to this show as a brick wall does to a race.
I stopped playing video games after New Vegas, I knew nothing else would ever surpass it.
You haven’t played wasteland then. Although while I haven’t played the latest installments I do know the NV devs and the f1, 2, and tactics devs work on them at inexile. So maybe theyre worth a try if you want something reminiscent of fallout
@@mitchf.4450 Wasteland is older than New Vegas (older than Fallout too you silly goose). Wasteland 2 is great though and post New Vegas in our timeline. I didn't find 3 as good but still okay.
Play the Someguy series of mods for NV, quality stuff.
The writing of older games are SIGNIFICANTLY better and generally more mature....because there were less censors breathing down their necks. The diversity and inclusion censors demand everything be filed down and made as safe as possible so that even the post apocalypse will still somehow have the same problems as current year California.
Zenimax Fallout - Dark and grim, story about civilization rebuilding. Jokes are gen x, where it's cynical but doesn't remove suspension of disbelief.
Bethesda Fallout - Over the top and millenial, started with Fallout 3. 1950s never ended.
I think you mean Interplay/Black Isle. Zenimax is (was?) the parent company of Bethesda.
Leo being a console peasant 😂
7:45 he better be getting dressed up as the hunter from JUMANJI when hes running around shooting tigers. Winning
Just one man’s opinion….. Fallout New Vegas is the greatest game ever created! (Don’t tell me otherwise)
Actually, Megaton was considered a trading Hub before the Church of Atom was even realized. The reason why the original traders settled there was because the bomb was being carried via plane when it crashed, and the traders simply built the town out of the airplane, eventually constructing the walls to keep out the raiders and super mutants.
From my understanding, the nukes in fallout were not like the ones we have but salted nukes instead. so if you wanted to handwave fallout 3's d.c. being a desolate wasteland for 200 years, you could say it was carpet bombed by these salted nukes and only recently became somewhat habitable.
Bethesda installments are created by people who don’t understand the lore hence why instead of a game set in civilization which rose from the ashes they set it in the ashes. Trying to make head cannon and make work arounds doesn’t do anything except buy Bethesda a cop out and allows them to profuce more trash without actually caring about it the lead dev Emil says he doesn’t care about the lore or the game hes just there for the money he did backtrack this but then did it again and again
They've arguably captured the feel of the game and that's pretty much all that most ask for in a TV series. The writing apparently comes afterwards.
Fallout 1 and South Park started in 1997. Fallout 1 contained a reference to South Park. It's pretty crazy also that Fallout 1 came out in '97 and Fallout 2 in '98. One year between fully formed games that didn't need 1000 updates to make them playable.
Usually watch the vids on the main channel, but just found this.
The guys are more laid back here and it was more entertaining watching & listening to them.
I was waiting for them to mention that Liam Neeson is your father in FO3.
Or that New Vegas is the most popular, in spite of (or maybe because) not being made by Bethesda.
Excellent stuff, thanks for this...! 👍🏻
It's a show where the game's meta is prominent function. Every major character is an identifiable character build.
Show was trash. Retcon nonsense.
I could see how the show might be appealing to people who know nothing or almost nothing about Fallout, but as a certified ‘no life nerd’ with hundreds of hours in FO1, 2, Tactics, 4 and over a thousand in New Vegas, I have no interest in this nostalgia baiting incoherent mess. Todd has already been doing his best to take a massive poopy all over the world of Fallout, the last ‘good’ game released by a Todd Howard team was Fallout 4 nearly a decade ago. And I use the term ‘good’ very generously, that game is rife with issues, especially narrative issues, but it’s overall fun and the gunplay is great. 76 is garbage. Starfield is a joke. I’m so worried about Elder Scrolls VI, it’s gonna be awful. Please Todd, either make a good game again, or just give up and stop milking everything dry like the corporate rat you’ve become. Why can’t companies just be creative any more… granted I give credit for trying Starfield, but in execution, that game is about as unambitious as it gets. I’m just so sick of these massive corporations trying to squeeze every singular dime they can out of an IP, canon matters, and I’m left so jaded because the things I love are just constantly getting shit on.
"With Leo here, I thought straight vodka is appropriate..."😅
HAHAHA DEGENERATE LEO
97 was a great year
Every Bethesda entry comes with a suite of massive basal issues to the setting.
For example, the Prydwen and how it stays aloft. That massive block of metal, holding up a mountain of arms, ammunition and tons of power armor alongside itself, the interior of which is also used to house its crew -- clothing, scientific apparatus and all -- is kept in the air by... helium.
Just helium.
Let that sink in.
17:18 Manton? That's one of the pioneer names in percussion firearms technology!
The show is an incoherent mess
Well it's totally fine with those sensible and normal people. Making you should learn English.
Says you
@@Time-traveller777You may need to take some of your own advice there. My statement is in proper English.
It's not enough, I need more chaos
...as are Fallout 3 and 4 😂 Bethesda struggle with everything beyond the aesthetics.
The good thing about letting the ghouls in is that you get this really handy ghoul mask though!
Rivet City was quite advanced. Entire area was Extra Heavily Irradiated because it was the Capitol. Also the entire region was under Military Occupation of the Brotherhood. I have my qualms about FO3's setting, but over all it was appropriate for the details provided.
Personally I think it should’ve been based a hundred years earlier, 200 years is a long time for so little to change, even accounting for the mutants and radiation.
@@EliteKnight97
Not really when a bunch of city states in Greece and Rome fell people are still living in the rebel of the cities for like 100 years
The BoS were a minor faction that could just barely protect their own outposts from mutants and raiders
@@ThePlayer920 true, but they were also treated as the main and biggest good guy faction
I would've rather seen the brotherhood sail in on what once was Rivet city but refurbished and rebuilt than the Prydwen, that airship was and is the dumbest concept ever
Binged this last week. Started watching because of all the hype, ended it by hate watching. It’s a steaming dollop of dog crud.
That woke “fallout” show retconned FNV out of the lore on accident.
How is it woke?
It has just one character that people object to despite having 3 minutes of screen time tops.
And Shady Sands getting nuked yet nobody seems to have finished Lonesome Road WHERE YOU GET TO DO THE SAME THING.
@@Shockguey’how is it woke”? Are you serious?
You have fat people in racially diverse vaults which limit resource usage
The show is a DIE sandwich.
Male characters are cowards and emasculated at every turn, while female characters are calling all the shots.
the traditionally masculine and Orderly Brotherhood are all now Meathead cowards who don’t know what Sex is
‘You are beginning to understand.. Power is not given, it is taken.”
You have established Lore and factions being completely altered (or completely destroyed offscreen) to make way for new factions (or in this case no factions to replace them at all)
Weird blood orgy sex cult, created from the remains of a beloved Old Lore Faction, which now worships a literal communist woman
‘I’m not a communist. Communist is just a word used to describe people who aren’t insane.”
The Communist ‘hero” is a villainous dingbat who murders hundreds of innocent people and yet is portrayed as the ‘misunderstood hero”.
‘Hypocrisy is a weapon, if you only let your enemies use it, they’ll win.”
‘That’s how we will ‘win the game” of Capitalism.” -by blowing up the world, our customers, our workers, our shareholders, our factories, our supply lines.. etc etc..
The entire concept of Capitalism ‘having an endgame”, (rather than just a system of Trade and Commerce for goods and services) is Communist propaganda 101..
I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point.
This show is a woke buffet…
@Shockguey Bruh you nuke the passageway from the NCR to Vegas, accidentally mind you, that's not even remotely the same thing, don't pretend otherwise.
@@flintglockwood Okay lets get down to brass tacks. Why is it wrong that the Shady Sands got nuked then?
No seriously it's a world full of warring factions. Is this your first time encountering a place being destroyed in a work of fiction?
@@Shockgueyhow is it woke?
Are you serious?
Name one person that hasn't been beaten near-to-death by the ugly stick.
It's woke at the core. Kid yourself it's not.
That babe in the background... That's some real waifu material.
Nigel farage is a saucy babe anit he
The millenials hadn't come of age yet, we could do what we wanted.... yeah, except play D&D, or Mortal Kombat, or read Harry Potter....
Every generation has its share of stupidity.
I don't disagree that there's some retarded world-building in Fallout 3, I just think it's taken over the top sometimes and the fact that it's a great game is lost because of it.
Bethesda never understood world building. They never understood that characters in the game would have motivations and want to improve their lives. They just put characters in destroyed buildings and said "Here's your apocalyptic setting".
It was when gen x got to managerial age that things went bad. Millennials were the recipients of what gen x made.
A lot of people Hate 76 but I love it over Fallout 4, funny enough seeing the hypocrites scatter back to it now is just bothersome.
I heard 76 was a different game now. I tried it when it dropped and didn't like it. Not to mention the bugs and crashes. I was thinking about giving it another go.
76 makes a lot of sense for Bethesda.
No focus on plot, because nobody cares and it wouldn't be good anyways.
All the focus on world building.
@@radagast7200 Yeah same but I ignored all of that and just checked it out for myself and it really isn't that bad after all.
Josh. Shafted out of the gate.
Fallout 3 and 4 are the best Fallout games, fight me.
Whose the best Fallout boss: The Master, Frank Hoorigan, or Lanius? I'm going with Lanius.
Best in what way? Strength, size, intimidation factor, intelligence,…? For size and strength it would be Frank, for a mix of everything its Lanius, and then the master is an odd ball as he literally absorbs people into him increasing intelligence, knowledge, size, strength, resistances, etc… hes also fused to a vaults computer data base and defense systems. So it all depends really on whats being asked.
This was beautiful. Loved it. Really think I'll D.L this to watch at leisure.
This segment could have easily been titled Falling Out on Fallout. 😂
16:07 what happens if you convince them to live together but then after succeeding you murder all the ghoul's? but do it in a way that almost no one noticed?
So f*cking sick of member berries.
The Fallout show is ok, but it not great. It could have been a lot worse, and I personally think it will go downhill in either season 2 or 3.
I think it is basically the new Mandalorian... season 1 was not bad and because everything else is so bad it seemed good by contrast, but then season 2 was worse and season 3 was flat out bad.
If the fallout show was ‘not bad” I would hate to see what bad looks like…
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon in fairness I am saying "not bad" in relation to how it could have been utter crap. My expectations were very low going in and I didn't hate it.
I expected it to be a 1/10 show, but it was a 2/10. Still absolutely terrible writing, action, plot, characters and breaks the lore every chance it gets but it looks occasionally okay (occasionally terrible) and it has 1 good actor in it (another decent one).
@@Syaniiti yeah I'd agree with all of that except I'd give it a 5/10 for not being completely worthless.
Without Goggins as the Ghoul it would get less.
@@danielwhite1135 For me a single good actor does not a good show make. And the fact that some parts look terrible counter the point that some parts look fine.
But then all ratings are subjective so I can't fault your choice, I can only explain mine.
Every show (or movie) starts at a 10/10 and every time there's an issue it loses score (usually only 1 per issue, unless it's egregious). The way a show can lose more at once if the issue breaks the entire world of the show, for instance a small remote village being as diverse as modern day California, when travel is supposed to be arduous with no one really having a reason to visit, let alone stay in, the village.
I also rate 10 would be perfect, 8-9 would be great, 6-7 would be good, 5 is okay, 3-4 is bad, 1-2 is terrible. No, I've yet to see a 10/10 show.
It saddens me that Bethesda bought fallout, whrn it seems so clear to me that the company doesnt even want to make games in the same genre.
ATOM Rpg is a good Soviet themed fallout.
The Fallout show is just as bad as Paramount's Halo, the difference is they hired better actors and leaned on member berries better. The writing is just as, if not more, stupid.
I'm really disappointed that Fallout 3 and 4 didn't have special dialogue for intelligence lvl 1.
>trying to apply logic to a game made for an exciting experience with varied goals for the whole community
I'm playing fallout 1 and it's amazing.
Leo all gaming boils down to menu management
Tenpenny came to america in a submarine
Normies watching fallout meanwhile I'm going back to play fallout 1 from 1997. Screw modernity.
Wow you’re so different. Definitely not like everyone else.
@@joeymedina7115 Blood rich coming from the guy with a wojakchad as your profile pic.
@@AnonymousAnonposter Yes
i've read that microsoft shut down a couple of bethesdas studios which may indicate they are getting pissed off at their lack of direction, stale gameplay systems, and lack of story. Microsoft ordinarily seems to have a very soft touch when it comes to the developers they have acquired. Interestingly, microsoft also owns obsidian so perhaps they will just give the IP back to them to make Fallout 5.
Love the banter.❤
Shadowrun is the best.
My favourite semi recent RPG type game is definitely Wasteland 3.