My good friend Nate here in Florida is a well known cosplayer. The dead assaultron laying in the sand in episode 2 is actually his costume that they bought from him to use. He had to keep it secret for a long, long time and was super excited to finally see it on the screen.
@@CainOnGames I'm glad you liked the show Tim, I thought it was great, my only gripe was the lack of deathclaws and Super-Mutants, but that leaves something for season 2. The lore changes were fine in my book, making Vault-Tec, Big MT, and others the conspirators was a great touch, and explained all the weird Vault experiments perfectly. I'm glad the enclave got a place as well.
@@Carcerianconsidering that Sinclair was the only nice rich pre-War guy, it's a terrible lore change. Giving Ghouls a healing factor (outside of a high rad area) is also bad. And bombing Shady Sands screws over New Vegas. Though most of the "Lore changes" seem to mess with NV.
@@giancarlo5945 damn I must be stupid I never caught on to that. I just assumed that they were willfully ignorant of trying to change their situation but this does make since. I suppose I got too distracted from the vault 31 stuff.
@@dmsnotesadventuresofthethi779 even if it wasn't a lie, they had vaults 32 and 31 as well they could've gone to to get their water filter They weren't dead in the water (excuse the pun) just yet
I was gonna say, Lucy's arc reminded me a lot of when I first ever played fallout. Coming out of the vault and just learning as I went along. Brought me back to those days watching her. And like you said, I definitely play the games a lot more like Cooper when I hop on these days
@@Nicolatteaur When the show adds a character running around in spotted underwear and shooting a pink handmade rifle with explosive rounds you know its 76.
Lucy-FP: Let's see what is under this rock. Maximus-FP: I WANT THAT POWER ARMOR AND SMASH EVERYONE TO BITS. Ghoul-FP: I can do this all day. Full Perception/Endurance/Agility.
My favorite 'easteregg' so far was Cooper wanting to buy a 5 acre farm in Bakersfield.... Bakersfield shows up as Necropolis in Fallout and Cooper turns soI thought it hilarious he thought he is safe there haha
I love how you didn't pull the "I made Fallout" card. I also love how you, as one of the creators of Fallout still theorize about Fallout. Your acceptance of other storytellers' take on the franchise is really commendable.
I agree that vault tec was planning on nuking but didnt actually, they had so many unfinished vaults. You'd think they'd finish construction on all their projects before pushing the button.
It also just feels very realistic that there would be a half dozen factions that all thought they were super clever and ahead of everybody else, but events were really just spiraling out of everybody's control. Vault Tec would have gotten overconfident because they thought they were the only ones that could control the timing. But there were too many fingers on too many buttons. "US was going to defeat China, so China responded to territorial invasion with nukes" is *also* a perfectly plausible scenario, no matter how much other lore gets laid alongside it. I like that it's vague. Vague feels honest. It's always layers with war, history becomes like an onion where you keep peeling back layers to find deeper causes. If they set a Fallout game in China, I am sure all the information in China that the player could find would blame events on the US government, etc.
in the endcard of episode8 you see a billboard, advertising for CryoTubes. VaultTec definitely plan to sell even more slots for the upcoming Armageddon, there is no way they woulda nuked before they found a way to control the situation on who will make it to the future
Doesn't Operation:Anchorage confirm Chinese spies gave their gov the Intel on VaultTec planning to drop the bombs so they decided to get the jump on the US while they were scrambling to get their ducks in a row?
Well we know vault tec did drop nukes in America because we can find an unexploded VT nuke in Megaton. We also know the corporations had taken over n had amassed more money than the government was worth making them huge assets to the US. In my mind, I think peace talks were to be had between US n China but when VT found out about it, they jumped the shark before the public could find out. That could be why the weather guy at the start was talking about how the nukes could go off any day now even though we know there were plans for peace talks. Or I could be getting the lore wrong. Pls correct me if I'm wrong 🙏
You're not seeing the big picture. Most of the vaults didn't matter. You heard her cut them loose on their own in the board meeting. They were squabbling. Only certain vaults were given central priority. That didn't go over my head.
(Not so) fun fact! In South Korea, there are very sad and lonely guys who think any time they see the two fingers close together, it’s mocking them. It doesn’t matter the context or if it’s a single second or even single frame. They will try to cancel whatever it is.
The three protagonists basically being player character builds doing the same campaign but via different routes / sidequests was BRILLIANT. It translated so well into TV. Never expected the show to be as good as it was.
Yeah I have to admit I wanted it to be a continuation of the dumpster fire that bugthesda is but, It was pretty good I have to admit. Some people say the chem Cooper was taking the stave off turning is a retcon but, I disagree. In Nuka World in FO4 you do a mission (I forget everyones names) where you help a Ghoul find his ghoulfriend who was on the trail of such a chem IIRC.
@@maximvsdread1610 There is a large amount of precedent for rad drugs being developed during the war that cause ghoulification in the lore, so really its a GOOD retcon in my opinion, because i think they are working towards Coop having a ghoul back story similar Eddie winters ro Hancock, where he didn't just ghoulifiy naturally, reason for this is because every other ghoul we see going fearl has mental problems but never huge shut downs, but when coop is withdrawing for lack of a better term, he seems sick, not like he is going crazy, which leads me to believe his ghoulification is different enough that his symptoms are completely different from other ghouls So i honestly feel like the retcon is to highlight this difference.
@@maximvsdread1610why would you want something that you enjoy to be a dumpster fire? I just can’t get behind that logic. This is the issue I have with Fallout fans is that they LOOK for ways to hate on the IP they love. If you don’t like it, that fine, but wanting it to be bad before you even watch it is just silly
@@Teej56 I never loved them. They sh*t on the lore. They sh*t on Obsidian. FO4 was a sh*t RPG. 76 was them sh*tt*ing on the ones that did Love them. They will never make ES6 or FO5. AND IF THEY DO.... It will be a bigger disappointment than Starfield. I'm just reading the tea leaves and enjoying the warmth of a toasty dumpster fire that's well deserved.
Not gonna lie I wish Tim would bless us with 1h long videos :D It's hard to watch them all but when I do sit and watch him, I could sit and listen to him for hours :D
Tim is literally a legend, so positive. Must feel incredible seeing something you worked on from the beginning evolve into such an IP and now with a show too.
@@forrestnolan1168 uh check again, Fallout was created by a few people. He was just one of the creators, clearly he was one of the guys who went and got coffee for Todd, Chris, Josh and the rest of them. Of course he will say "oh the show was so great." He most likely got paid by Amazon to say that. Anyone who likes your comment is just riding you because they're just as clueless how games are made.
Wilzig asking Lucy "The question is, will you still want the same things, when you've become a different animal altogether?" was such a good piece of foreshadowing for the conclusion.
House alluded to this theme as well in his brief cameo. 'If you confine a group of rats to a nest for a long time they end up eating each other, who's to say your rats will be able to survive better than the animals on the surface?'
Maybe Wilzig knew something about her dad!!! Didn't he also tell Lucy things about her own vault and that he knew alot of things that only other vault dwellers would know? Hmmm! Great comment and good catch!!!
Todd Howard confirmed in a interview that nuking of Shady Sands happened shortly after events of Fallout New Vegas (2281) and that Fallout 1, 2, FNV and Tactics are also still canon. "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" is not referencing nuking in 2277, but something different.
@@Burning_Soul they previously said Tactics and BoS weren't canon but Emil put out an official timeline and it does now include Tactics, so they seemingly went back on that. I think BoS is still non-canon though.
@@ltbqEmil also said some wild stuff about canon the past week, including stuff that was so off base that he needed to go back on it (fallout 4 guy was in the intro to fallout 1?) so we should probably take anything that’s not directly confirmed in a piece of media with a massive grain of salt
@@filthycasual8187 could be someone in vault tec went rouge and launched early, could be vault tec never got to enacted their plan and this is the chinese or even something else starting the war
My favorite easter egg is the 101097 code! Oh, and as far as the Shady Sands nuking date goes, I can see all sorts of ways that the writers can write around that. It seems like the kind of moment meant as an attention-grabber--with an explanation already in mind. We're still waiting to find out what happened to the NCR, and the writers still have tons of open pathways that they can take the NCR. For example, the leadership simply might not have been there. Judging by the way the timeline was drawn, some unknown amount of time passed between the fall of Shady Sands, and it being nuked. If Shady Sands fell, that doesn't mean the leadership died; it just means that Shady Sands was no longer ground zero for the NCR. If the key figures aren't there, then nuking Shady Sands is not enough to kill off the NCR. Also, even though the show seems to have altered the location of Shady Sands--or maybe Shady Sands itself is supposed to have been re-founded at some point in a new place?--I can't help but remember that it was settled by former Vault 15 residents. Perhaps the location of Vault 15 followed the location of Shady Sands, meaning that the leadership had a handy bolt hole... one that could have been repaired enough to be nuke-proof, during the many years after it was last abandoned. Oh, and for you who do not know your history, on August 24, 1814, Washington, DC was captured; British troops burned down the White House, the Capitol, and a lot more big chunks of DC--our equivalent of Shady Sands. The seat of our government was destroyed. And yet, somehow, here we are, over 2 centuries later. Crazy, huh?
Laf uTube edited my comment for me, removing the 101097 passALLONEWORDcode part! And the italics, and the bold words. Thanks, uTube. You're soooooooo good at keeping the world safe for humanity, you are.
I really enjoyed Ep. 4. The one where Cooper drags Lucy around and they meet a ghoul named Rog and Lucy finds out the consequences of her accidentally destroying Cooper's vials. Then, Cooper has to put him down as a result. Later in the same episode, she releases a bunch of ghouls in a Super Duper Mart and has to do the same with Martha. The episode then ends with Lucy saving Cooper by bringing him the vials despite what he put her through. The tone of the episode was pretty much close with the original Fallout in that you could do everything right and still lose but still not give up anyway.
Episode 4 was an incredible hour of TV. It captures the whole idea of why people play RPGs, Fallout in particular. And it even works as a self-contained story because of how tight Lucy/Cooper plot is. Sadly, Episode 5 is where the series started to lose me because it diverged more and more into signature Jonathan Nolan's tract (see later seasons of Westworld). And I did not appreciate changes to the lore.
He's what started this series. All the obsidian fanboys are wild. As a NV fan I loved the show. Tim Cain is more based than Sawyer regardless of what you say@@8bitchiptune420
because Fallout is no longer in his control, he can just theorize, like, dislike or cope about any lore consistency or inconsistency like the rest of us.
hi Tim! I asked Michael Abbott Jr., the actor who played the sand purifier diaper guy, if he was familiar with the original game. his answer was: "To this day I’ve never played any of the #FALLOUT games or seen any of the animation. The physicality was based solely on what I thought someone living under those conditions might look like and luckily Jonah & Graham were into it. The cloth diaper on the other hand-THEIR idea;-)" this is a very interesting convergence of interpretation of what being in the wasteland would look like!
Yes! The guy with the “water filter” I loves that part! I told my wife that scene felt straight out of fallout, especially the end where he says “thanks for not shootin me with that gun” 😂
“A fella hand you a bottle of clean water, ya drink it. Even if you’re not thirsty, ya drink it” Loved that line. He’s a genuine good dude but comes off as rude and entitled due to the common sense sentiments of the surface dwellers. He’s just doing as his mamma taught him 🥺
Funny because to me that scene had every negative feature of the show dialed up to the max. The jokes are so obvious and fall so flat it is insane, I can imagine the same crowd that thinks Big Bang Theory is funny would find this funny. The world building is fucking atrocious, as in there simply isn't any, most settlement scenes could be swapped around with scenes from Mad Max Thunderdome and you wouldn't notice the difference, entirely box-standard post apocalypse design. The by now royalty free music is the only thing creating even a hint of atmosphere. Also, food stuff packaged in cardboard exposed to the elements for over two centuries isn't edible, it wouldn't even be there to be found in the first place, glad to see Bethesda didn't feel the need to right any of their wrongs for the show. The overall level of CGI is also horrendously bad (a lot of it done by a Bulgarian crowd, and it really shows), especially the surrounding wasteland in exterior shots is very very poor. Fallout 3 does an infinitely better establishing shot of the wasteland upon the vault dweller's emergence on the surface, a game from nearly 20 years ago that looked like dog shit even then, how fucked up is that? The movement of all creatures and the power armor is often even worse than the scenery. In the end the show was exactly what I thought it would be, a completely sterile marketing exercise with the non existent production values of a straight to streaming show.
@@JohnDaubSuperfan369 anyone who takes fallout this serious, as a game and especially as a TV show, is clearly unaware that there's almost nothing serious about it. The visuals are supposed to appear somewhat corny, almost cartoonish. The only serious characters in the entirety of fallout was Ulysses, Frank Horrigan, father Elijah and elder maxson. Virtually any other character in fallout is generally an outline. So if you didn't like that particular scene for whatever reason I feel like fallout is not a show for you.
It has recently come out that the Writers of the TV show asked permission from Todd Howard to Blow up Shady Sands. So I definitely think that they have a plan in mind already for what is going to happen in season 2.
or could be Bethesda being Bethesda, you know? could have said the show is not canon.. like a spin-off in its own universe, like an alternate timeline where Bethesda soft-reboot the series so all of this would've make sense, in term of their own stupidity. I mean, Fallout 2 has its own stupidity, but.. damn nigga! all of you people really defending this mediocre crap, would be fine if it set in East Coast.
Hi Tim! Big Fallout fan here since 1998 (got to it a little later), and your work in general, writing to you fron half a world apart. Love that you use UA-cam yo let us hear your ideas, and that you actually read us back. Been waiting to throw something relevant just as an excuse to first show my true appreciation: kudos to you. I loved the Fallout show. It got me drilled to my seat. I got actual shivers when I heard the now famous “War never changes”, and felt like a little kid finding everything that was on screen releted to the games. I would have much preffered if they kept the FO1/2 aesthetic, but I get it: it’s Bethesda doing their own thing, and I deeply respect that. So, here is my 2 cents: it’s true, Fallout is known for it’s unreliable narrators, some inconsistencies are to be expected from game to game, and even on the same one (looking at you backstory about Jet!), given the amount of extension, time and people involved. But beyond that and on a “canonical” review, I belive that “The Fall of Shady Sands” was an exaggeration (after all the Fall of Rome didn’t mean the destruction of the City of even the Empire, that continued east for years to come), then we see a nuked city. Which striked me as off, given that Shady Sands was a post war town, made by adobe settlements, in close proximity to Vaults 13 and 15 (the latter, where most of its population came from), near the mountains, and far from any City. The Shady Sands, close to LA, could mean the State of Shady Sands, as part of NCR, that we see in the show: still is on. Maybe its some mix up, and the city is actually the LA Boneyard. What was really off for me was that the post ending scenes that show a desolate New Vegas, filled with downed NCR vertibirds. A thing that sent my suspension of disbelief haywire was the MacGuffin cold fusion: I mean wasn’t that what fueled most cars, cities and even power armor. And energy weapons used self contained, portable micro fusion reactors. The thing it came too little too late, kept it from preventing the Resource Wars, in a world that still dependen mainly on fossil fuel? Vault-Tec didn’t stopped its use, nor did the US gov. Sorry for the long rant and thanks for all your work!
Thanks for the heads up, @malif1279 ! I’m really not tech saavy in general, or in UA-cam in particular, this is all kind of hacus pocus for me. So, had to spend some well earned skill points on Science (or, actually, Google search what that means). Very glad you liked that Tim! Also, this comes to me somewhat later: Cooper Howard (gessing, some kind of tribute to Bethesda’s own Todd Howard?) comments several time on being a US soldier in the power-armored division in what we can guess was at the latest the Battle of Anchorage, the “final” part of the Sino-American War, previous to the “Big One”. Coop lets it slide that he used a T-60, which experience tought him had a vulnerability in the chest plate, that he infamously exploits to down several Brotherhood Knights. So I have at least 2 questions: how was he using a T-60 in Alaska, when they came to be only “months before the Great War” (gessing it shoud have said a T-51b); and if this was a known secret for him for several years, how come he didn’t use that with his first encounter with Maximus? Also: I want to see in the future a “Power Armor Sweet Spot” perk in the future
I agree that Vault Tec didn't start the war but were planning to. Other than Barb sending her daughter to a birthday party when the war was kicking off, Mr. House was at that meeting where Barb announced the plan. In New Vegas, House mentions how he miscalculated and the bombs dropped before he was ready with the laser defence system and the platinum chip. How could he have miscalculated if he was involved with Vault Tec's plan? My bet is that Vault Tec were beaten to the punch, hence why House was caught surprised and Barb's daughter was at the party
The show is literally telling us they did, and that they had the most reasons too as well. They didn't make that investment for nothing! We have to remember that the company was a defense contractor, a part of the military industrial complex, which is what becomes the Enclave. It wasn't just the President and the military brass, House was a member, everyone we see in that room was a member, though apparently there was a disagreement somewhere along the line on when the war should begin, or House in particular was excluded from having that knowledge, but the idea that Barb would have had the authority to delay the timing because of her daughter being at a birthday? We know by that point, Cooper and her were divorced, she might not have even been aware were her daughter was exactly at that time and unable to do anything about it. But the show seems to hint she might have gotten a hold of her somehow. We still have no idea what happened to Barb or to their daughter, only that ghoul Cooper is still looking for the both of them after more than two centuries.
@@menghao737 Ok but why would she even let her daughter go to a birthday party at all if she knew? Even if she was having problems with her husband you think she would do the very minimum of telling him when the nukes were falling to make sure her daughter would be safe? The games also heavily imply that china launched the nukes first so its very possible they were planning on doing it but were beaten to the punch. Also also, they had plenty of unfinished vaults, youd think they would have wanted to have finished them all before launching there nukes. They need all there precious data from there totally moral experiments.
They weren't planning to start the war, because they had no capability to do so. Their masters in the Enclave probably planned on starting the war once their preparations were complete, but both them were caught by surprise when China started it.
@@menghao737 The military industrial complex didn't become the Enclave, the Enclave already existed before the war, they were the ones who essentially created Vault-Tec for the sake of performing experiments for their long-term space colonization project. Vault-Tec also didn't start the war, nor did they have any power to do so. Only the Enclave did, but they were beaten to the punch by the chinese, which ruined their plan and allowed for their ultimate defeat in Fallout 2.
Especially when Lucy kept autistically pointing the gun at him in the beginning while the two were conversing. Like knowing 80% of the time my character and other NPCs casually has their piece out and chatting about what's happening around town.
It must be so surreal to watch something you and a team of other great minds created over 25 years ago come to the screen. Tim, I hope you get a cameo in season 2!
And while he is watching that, he is probably saying to himself: "Look how they (Turd Coward and Bughtesta) massacred my boy (Interplay's and Obsidian's vision of Fallout universe)." Talk about bastardezing a franchise...
So happy you liked it Tim. I loved seeing you at the event with Todd. Fallout is really being enjoyed by the world now in all it's forms and it started with you. Thank you once more for that world to play around in.
I really enjoyed it as a piece of television entertainment. Nailed the aesthetics and the tone and it feels like Fallout. But it also really feels like Bethesda finally rug-pulled the "West Coast Trilogy" to reset the canon for their own story. They never cared about those games because they didn't make them, and as such, their stories were disposed of out of convenience to steal their ideas. Which, frankly, sucks.
The show ends at that point in the games where you feel like things are really getting started: Bringing back the water chip, returning Arroyo, reaching New Vegas. The ending feels like that point and it's tough to wait for more.
Nice catch on her daughter. It's possible she didn't order the nukes. There's the lore that makes it unclear who launched them but it's possible Valt-Tec set things up but maybe a trigger happy operator launched them. In any case Season 2 has been confirmed.
I think the visual nod to Dr.Strangelove in the Vault-Tec War Room may imply that despite their plans, something went wrong and the War happened by accident. The next season will probably expand on that pre-War storyline.
Didn’t the Mr house say something about not being ready for the nukes? It was prolly planed but since it was kicked off by someone els it would make since that he wasn’t ready, unless I’m misremembering what he said
@@moonlightingjamthat actually seems to cover up a plot hole in house’s plan, he planned the delivery around the plan he was told by vault tec which would explain why he was sure that it would be delivered on time, of course we know it wouldnt arrive until over two centuries later
It could be anything from a misunderstanding with the babysitter (Copper was divorced paying alimony and he took her daughter to work) to Vault-Tec having a Chinese spy inside the company making China decide to rush an attack after learning about V-tech plans.
Ron is not very popular right now in Hollywood due to his outspoken opinions regarding his political beliefs and Hollywood elites. I don't know if he has been blackballed entirely, but his presence in productions has definitely decreased. The actor's guild holds a lot of sway in the industry and if you don't march in lockstep with their narrative you do not succeed without large outside backers.
@@ashuggtube Yeah, it's unfortunate, I enjoy Ron's acting and VO work. I don't believe that those things should matter in a professional setting. It is what it is nowadays, optics and all, I guess.
Ghoul's wife is not CEO, it's not her decision when to drop bombs. Todd explained that "The Fall of Shady Sands" is not equal to nuking it, two separate events.
We see a shadowed figure presumably send her an order when she checks her pip-boy. Assuming it's the Enclave pulling all the strings, she's just following their orders by selling the idea of dropping the nukes first to all the other conglomerate leaders. We know she doesn't have actual complete power to order the nukes herself as even she's keeping appearances to be in good light for securing her and her family into a vault.
You and your team must be so proud of the work you did that your IP survived to go mainstream idk if it has hit that state yet but that moment when you know they get it and this is amazing must feel so good.
Oh it's definitely mainstream now! My friends who've never played fallout are actually playing the games (I bought them some) on account of the show! It just goes from big to bigger!
People are going to get very mad to this comment but Bethesda also deserves praise because they are the ones that got the franchise back in good tracks. You may not like the new games or direction that the franchise took, but remember that there's a reason why it was sold in the first place.
@@jorgeloredo100 People who get mad at that need to get over reality and realize you gotta give credit where it's due. I have a lot of things against Bethesda but I would never disagree that Bethesda gave Fallout the popularity it reached today.
@@jorgeloredo100 Only the hardcore NV fans have the braindead take of "every bethesda game bad". I think everyone (except for that loud annoying minority), can think of at least SOMETHING they like about each game.
brother it's definitely mainstream now and is good. it's a billion dollar IP and success is what keeps things alive you always want things to be successful nothing wrong with it being "mainstream" I welcome all the new fans and love all the games and believe they are all valid 👍 Enjoy
It’s funny you mention how much you liked the random encounter with the guy who drunk Lucy’s water. I remember telling my son after that scene was over that I could totally see that scene playing out in the video game. The actor definitely nailed the demeanor and attitude of a Fallout NPC and the dialogue was spot on. Also thank you so much for all of your hard work. Fallout gave me countless hours of fun when I was a teenager and is still my favorite.
Someone mentioned that Lucy keeping her gun pointed at the dude is a hilarious reference in the games where for some reason the player character always has their gun drawn while talking to an NPC. Even if not true (never played Fallout 3 onwards), it’s still a funny scene to watch lol. Ella Purnell is amazing.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on the full season, I was going to ask if you'd make a video on this! I'm really impressed and surprised by the TV show paying so much tribute towards the franchise, from all over the games, but still being willing to take risks and make waves in the timeline. It makes me feel optimistic about the future of the franchise and what they'd be willing to do with stories branching off from here. Thanks again Tim, love the videos and so happy to see your brain-child done justice and shown all the love it deserves.
The thing that got me the most about the show recreating the feeling of the games was that Lucy and Maximus each felt like different takes on how a player character could go through a Fallout game's choices. More than that, however, Maximus really felt like how it felt for me to TRY and play a real jerk of a character only for it to actually be extremely difficult to keep it up without falling into doing the right thing
This is the coolest perspective I’ve seen on a character in the show so far. I am so guilty of doing this when I intend to do low karma runs. Brilliant
I appreciate how the show doesn't go out of its way in terms of exposition; it gives you all the information you need as long as you pay attention. It's written in a way that respect the intelligence of the audience, even in the way that the show handles it's comedic elements-- it doesn't go out of its way to tell you that you are supposed to laugh at the moments that are intended to be funny or silly. The brief shot of Lucy and Maximus looking shocked and confused at the fact that they were unharmed after being missed by the gratuitous amount of bullets that had just been shot at them honestly cracked me up.
How wonderful to hear that you are enjoying it and is excited for more, just like me! Really hits it home to me how much love and respect was put in the show. There are definitely some people online that should take some time and watch this video lol
Love it! It really felt like the core pillars, experience promises of Fallout were the pillars in the show, that the player personas were the characters. The emphasis on environmental storytelling. The lack of 'Oh you didn't get the joke? You must not be a fan'-jokes. It felt so *harmonized*. And I've been iffy on modern TV writing lately, and having the dialogue really express the world, factions, and character's traits with every line was a breath of fresh air. Also, so glad to have found your channel through this! I teach game design and just love delving into folks' experience and I'm so ready to deep dive your ramblings :) Really appreciated.
Hi, Tim. I didn't realize you had a youtube channel. I'm a long time Fallout fan, since the original game. I know you haven't been involved with the franchise in a long time but I still wanted to thank you for all the work that you did with the IP. The Fallout franchise is one of my favorite game franchises of all time, particularly the pre-Bethesda games, so thank you for helping to create it. On the subject of Vault-Tec dropping the bombs, I totally agree and have been saying basically the same thing. They talked about it, and may have even been planning to, but given that Cooper's wife was on the board deciding that stuff, there's no way she'd have let her daughter be anywhere but with her on the day VT was going to start a nuclear war. Furthermore, there have been unfinished vaults either directly seen or mentioned in terminal entries and such in the games over the years, at least two of them in Fallout 4, which is another piece of evidence that VT didn't drop the first nuke because they weren't yet ready to do it. At this point, we still don't know who launched first. We see the bombs landing in LA which might, at first glance, make it seem like China attacked first, but those could have been retaliatory for the US bombing China first. Unless it was blasted on the news somehow, "THIS JUST IN, WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS HAVE INFORMED US HERE AT THE NEWS STATION THAT WE HAVE LAUNCHED NUKES AT CHINA. HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTTS," your average Joe citizen wouldn't know the US was launching nukes at China.
There was definitely some exposition, but it's good that they hid it enough for you not to notice. For example, in the first episodes while the brotherhood scribes are in class they talk about the purpose of the brotherhood.
I agree and I'm dying to rewatch the series with a friend who knows nothing about Fallout, I'm curious to see whether it'll make sense to someone who doesn't know the background...
Just finished the series with my wife, she didn't even know the Fallout games existed. She had surprisingly little difficulty following the show and even predicted some of the twists I didn't see coming. If anything, I think putting together the world of Fallout from an outside perspective was an even better experience for her, when the Shady Sands/NCR reveal comes she was floored by the revelation that society had been rebuilt, only to be taken back to square 1. The only thing that confused her was when the show took place, for the first few episodes she assumed that the pre-war was meant to be the 1950s and that the series took place in an alternative timeline where the Cold War went hot early on.
Glad to see someone that has been there before explain it. Things have to change a little bit and we have seen lots of controversy about lore changes. I’m guessing they have an idea and kind of knew a season 2 would be coming so they put it in to get ppl talking then it went in the wrong direction so they had to step in and say hey it’s still cannon just wait and you will see how it works out. If there was no season 2 we would need some explaining
Happy to let you know that as of yesterday season 2 is confirmed by amazon. Although, seeing how much praise it was getting, it seemed inevitable. Glad you liked the show, I do too!
@@crunchysalmons It was greenlit before the premiere, but amazon didn't officially confirm that until yesterday on April 18th. Rumor and speculation are encouraging, but confirmation from the studio and distributor itself is better, bud.
You know, it's a pretty good feeling to know that Tim Cain and I share similar perspectives and feelings about Fallout, and how he seems to take the thought out of my brain and into youtube videos. Makes me feel good that I am at least on the same page of understanding, with most people I feel. I know I cant be alone in feeling this way
I like how you said you have to figure the show out. I have never played a fallout game and I immediately wanted to know everything so I bought all the games without looking anything up. The mystery and wanting to know what power armor was is what pulled me in and now I'm obsessed with this world.
I don’t know if you will see this but, thank you Tim and your team for Fallout 1. I played it for the first time during the pandemic and I just adored it. One of my most memorable video game moments is when I tried and failed to fix Necropolis’s water pump. And it was heartbreaking because I already knew exactly what the consequences were. So thank you and everyone at Interplay who worked on Fallout 1.
I love your videos, too many videos on UA-cam these days are made without real personal interest. All of your videos feel as though they are made because you have something to say about something you are connected to and I love that. Even your videos about working in programming and design, they are an absolute gold mine of small details that could really help people manoeuvre through that world. Keep doing what you are doing man, your channel is great and I hope to see more seasoned veterans of other industries doing the same thing!
Fallout 76 was the most lore friendly fallout My favourite parts of fallout were the new vegas dlcs, old world blues, honest hearts and the sierra madre, I'm not all that big on lore, except I would say that the master is one of the coolest villains ever created Whoever came up with the idea of the master is the genius behind fallout imo
Todd already addressed "The fall of Shady Sands" and it getting nuked are two different times. The fall refers to something else and the nuke drops shortly after New Vegas. Makes me feel the Mr. House ending is the canon ending.
If the house ending is Canon then why is new vegas in ruin? End slides shown the streets were efficient and cold. House would have modernized everything, not left it in ruin.
It's probably the Yes Man ending? Ulysses did have a *whole mess of nukes to decimate the Long-15,* too. That situation looks like that. So 6 probably nuked the 15 and Caesar, House was 9-ironed in his coffin, and the Lucky 38 is left intact but depopulated. Vault Tec Daddy is likley on his way to claim something from the lucky 38 and the leave.
@@mikeleslie5905end slides aren’t relevant. They always just show destruction. They even show the BoS destroyed despite the BoS winning at the end of this story.
@@mikeleslie5905 The canon house ending takes place fifteen years before the show does. I'm sure literally nothing happened in the proceeding time and it was just exactly as players left it over a decade later.
I think losing the NCR is probably the weirdest part of the show to me. My favorite part of Fallout 2’s setting is that all of the settlements and cities are distinct political groups with their own agendas and the NCR was the coolest one because its agenda was at odds with everyone else’s. Also I don’t buy that it’s just “gone” after a nuke goes off in their capital, my friend thinks they’re hiding but that would be like hiding a state government and it’s entire national guard, it just doesn’t make sense to me that they would lose after losing one city. Maybe if the Legion figured out that they were reeling from a nuke going off and capitalized, but the Boneyard is right next to Arizona so why aren’t they there. I dunno, they didn’t give me a believable reason for the NCR being gone I guess.
Yeah. In fallout 2 I'm pretty sure they were like 700000ish strong, and I don't doubt they became at least a million strong by new vegas. I feel like the NCR may have RETREATED FROM CALIFORNIA, which I find funny because they're the New CALIFORNIA Republic.
They aren't gone. That one group got destroyed in the show but as Todd Howard discussed in his interviews the NCR covered a huge area and they're still plenty of people out there.
In the show the sign said it was the "first capital of the NCR". To me that implies that the NCR isn't gone, and is more laying low with smaller scale settlements elsewhere, like you've said.
Todd said he doesn't think that's the last we'll see of the NCR. They're probably just not active in the area and might still be going in places like the Hub, Vault City and even San Francisco maybe.
Very interesting point about Vault-Tec nuking first. It definitely never says explicitly in the text of the show that they actually did it. I think that's very deliberate on the part of the writers and that they're going to subvert a few expectations in the coming seasons. Also, as someone who only ever played (and loved) Fallout 1 and 2, the show definitely felt like Fallout to me and I'm so happy to see that Tim agrees. Seeing the world come to life like this decades later is thrilling enough for an old fan so I can imagine how exciting and fulfilling it us for Tim.
Mr. Cain, there have been videos of yours where you relent that you feel like your audience appreciates some videos or your thoughts on subjects rather than others. This may be true, but it does not matter to me. For those who were raised without either Grandfathers, your voice, your stories, your experience, and your opinions are much respected to me and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts to young adults like myself who need to hear these experiences and stories to come back to when times are tough. Thank you for your time and your uploads. I look forward to every video you post whether you think it's going to be popular or not.
I think my favorite episode was 4, where Lucy is brought to the Super Duper Mart. A story was being told there and you didn’t have it completely spelled out. The show kept making me go “I would play this game” and that means they did it right. As a fan of the show, I did love how it didn’t over saturate with lore drops. We easily could’ve had the Master and Bone Yard history dropped, but instead they decided to focus on the elements important to telling this season’s story. I’m excited to see what is brought up next season
LOVE the show! Must be insane to see your work come to life like this! My favorite bit was when Lucy and Max were debating on if they should keep the fusion core or leave a whole community to die. Felt like a classic Fallout decision and I’m glad that they had something like that in it!
I'm glad you enjoyed it Tim, I really liked your point about the unreliable narrator I agree and think they'll probably lean into it more. One of my favorite parts that made me laugh pretty hard was when Thaddeus unloaded his 10mm at Lucy and Maximus and completely missed. Felt like a totally classic fallout moment, he should have put more points into Small Guns.
I've seen some people theorize that the 2277 date for Shady Sands isn't actually when it was nuked but when the survivors consider "the beginning of the end" to be. IIRC, it's some time during the Brotherhood War and NCR's expansion into the Mojave. If the show is going for a non-NCR canon ending for FNV (which the ending does seem to point towards), then it could make some sense.
2277 is actually when the First Battle of Hoover Dam happens, so it makes sense why they'd consider that the start of the fall as it's when the NCR really starts stretching themselves so thin.
@@TheRedKing247 Thanks for the reminder, I couldn't remember if it was Hoover Dam or Helios One that happened in 2277. But yeah, it does make a lot of sense when you think about it.
This show got my non gamer wife into the Fallout games lmao she’s obsessed with the universe after picking my brain for a bit and wants to experience the series. For me there were so many “I’ve been there” moments like the Yoa Guai going after Titus. I was rolling.
Will you attempt to get her into Fallout 1 & 2 as well since they take place where the tv show does? They are old games and take a certain kind of temperament, turn based combat and really high difficulty.. But i feel they are truly worth it. Or are you going only Fallout 3+, the fps games? only New Vegas makes sense with the story besides some story beats for the Brotherhood and i guess the Enclave in 3.
@@gejnormcswipe8435 oh yeah. She wants to know how it all began lmao im actually exited. She’s watched me play NV, 3, 4, knows I love the lore, and now after season 1 of the show, she wants to go all the way back. Im starting her off with lore to helo understand the show. We’ll probably go through 1,2, and NV first since those are more relevant rn. Especially the stuff with the water chip and such, so she can understand the references and stuff.
@@-whiskey-4134 Cool! Really great to be able to show off those things one finds special, and Fallout is for sure one of those in my case as well. I'm a bit jealous actually! Hope it all goes well :)
Came from Alanah! Loved your review! I wasnt very familiar with the games before watching the series, I have to agree there is a bit of a bump like you mentioned for those of us experiencing this world for the first time! But thankfully I just asked my youtube peeps to point me in the right direction lol. Fallout fans are very helpful, I find!
As for the date of shady sands getting nuked: The chalkboard in vault 4 dates the "Fall of Shady Sands" to 2277, but there is an arrow between that and the mushroom cloud. It notably does not date the mushroom cloud. So the Fall of Shady Sands could refer to another event that predates the bomb by potentially several years.
Well max was a kid and like 8-10 years old. He’s like 20 something in the show so the timeline would be just after NV which lines up with Todd’s comments about the nuking which would have taken place after the 2nd battle of Hoover dam. Maybe threw houses plans of vampirising the ncr
@@lrinfi Yeah, I've watched that Oxhorn video and I had to turn it off because it honestly made me a bit mad. He missed so much stuff and misinterpreted things as a result.
The only thing I didn’t like is that the “past” doesn’t really illustrate that it’s not actually the 1950’s, but rather an alternate future where that aesthetic continued. All we get is a quick shot of a Mr Handy at the birthday party some people may have missed. So a lot of casuals might think the show actually takes place in the 50s. Needed more bots and futuristic cars in those flashback scenes.
8:03 EXACTLY! Thank you Tim. I have seen very few people mention this and you had exactly the same thought I did. I even said to my wife after it ended, there is no way Barb knew the bombs were going to go off and sent her daughter to a birthday party with no means of keeping her safe. Barb seemed like she was fully in on the plan, and fully in with ‘the management’, so there is no way she would have let that happen. This is the reply I have given to a few threads that have been unhappy with Vault-Tec dropping the bombs. I think Vault-Tec and the other companies were escalating the situation behind the scenes, but the actually timing for dropping of the bombs were just a surprise to them as everyone else.
I see a lot of people talking about the destruction of Shady Sands and the date, but no one talks about them moving Shady Sands 100 miles south to the ruins of Los Angeles. To me that goes against stablished lore much more than the nuke.
A non issue for me... Capitols, towns and villages have moved in history. USA moved the capitol twice early on. NYC to Philly finally to DC. Probably will explain in season 2. My guess it was moved do to a drought and/or famine. The chalkboard timeline indicates the start of the fall, which eventually lead to the bomb.
@@wilfredonievesjr I'm not complaining that they moved "the capital". That's an abstract concept. It's as simple as saying "Now the Hub is the capital of the NCR". I'm saying they moved the location of Shady Sands, as if they lifted the entire city in the sky and dropped it 100 miles south. If you play FO1 you see that Shady Sands was nowhere close to Los Angeles and Junktown and the Hub were between them.
Meh, not a major issue since a couple of locations move around from FO1 to FO2 alone. Shady Sands isn't where it's supposed to be, Vault 15 is in a slightly different spot but also looks radically different than it did in FO1, it's not all that important and looks more visually interesting.
I happened to find the channel, by chance. What an awesome guy you are, Tim. I can tell you’re a genuinely good man, and I have really enjoyed the content that you’ve created on UA-cam. Thank you so much for bringing the Fallout IP to so many of us who love the franchise. You deserve all of the good things, my friend.
The show certainly had a very high production quality, and in many ways they were respectful to the games. What makes me really sad is not the confusing dates regarding the destruction of Shady Sands, but rather the choice to Destroy Shady Sands. For Fallout 1, 2, and even New Vegas, Shady Sands is the reference point for how humanity is doing in terms of rebuilding. For me, I have a real soft spot for Shady Sands since it’s the first place you discover in Fallout 1, and they’re struggling. But by Fallout 2 they have paved streets and they’re doing great. I think Bethesda isn’t interested in doing any rebuilding in the Fallout Universe. Throughout all their games, their settings find some way to be a permanent wasteland. And in destroying Shady Sands, they’ve effectively made California just the same bland wasteland in like in all of Bethesda’s other stuff. They could’ve just as easily set the show anywhere else and destroyed any other town, and it makes me really sad that they did it to Shady Sands.
I couldn’t agree more about exposition, I’m not a fan when they lay it on so thick. Lately it seems every writer takes the lazy route and relies way too heavily on it. With a visual medium, it’s so important to show rather than tell, and the ability to expertly convey all relevant information to the audience is what separates talented writers from hacks.
As the dad of Fallout, it would be great if you collaborated with the TV show creators or Bethesda. The tone and the themes would be instantly elevated to new heights !
Hello there! Just wanted to let you know: Bethesda monitored the responses and Todd Howard clarified the timeline a bit in the first after show interview, which I think is really cool. When asked about this, Howard said, “All I can say is that we’re spinning it a little bit thinner there, but the bomb drops right after the events of New Vegas. That’s when Shady Sands explodes,” clarifying that “The Fall of Shady Sands” is not necessarily about the destruction of a nuke.
Wow, sounds like an important event that would be better shown on-camera, rather than just saying it happened as a justification for shaking the entire setting to be a looter-shooter paradise instead of a political timebomb. Also "Fall means Decline" is writer's cope and everyone knows it. They botched the dates, because they don't care.
Love ya, Tim! I enjoy hearing you voice your thoughts and opinions. Also, I just started my first playthrough of Arcanum. Bravo, good sir 👏! I absolutely love the game.
In the last episode, I love how the passcode was 101097 for the release of Fallout 1. It felt like they really tried to honor all of the installments and paid homage to the Interplay games. Thanks again for your thoughts!
Awesome video! This felt like Fallout big time. I loved the subtle easter eggs about the water chip and how it was freaking everyone out when the tech was telling them about it haha. This show really sets the bar very high for future shows and movies revolving around video games.
Would you consider doing a cameo in future seasons of the TV show if the creators would offer it to you? Maybe together with Leonard as scientists in the background. Or maybe for a oneliner.
You're not radical as us gamers nor are you naive as David Jaffe. This video however made me respect you even more because you're a man with patience.🤝
The idea that vault tech just said that because it was a contingency and it wasn't actually them was my first initial thought when the show revealed that. I'm so glad that I'm finally seeing someone suggest this in a video, even more glad it's you.
@@ThisisCitrus Yeah, i feel like they also reference this with Maximus. He had no idea the bombs dropped 200 years ago since his only reference is "when I was a kid nukes dropped" and no one taught him that it was the second time. History is probably partially lost or twisted, who knows.
i imagine a lot of things in Fallout's universe are told through word of mouth for the most part, while a few others know more due to being able to read and write - which I'm sure is lacking in a post-apocalyptic setting.
I mean it's also INCREDIBLY common in large frnachises with a lot of lore and it just comes with the territory. Even Lord of the Rings had inconsistencies. As a matter of fact, the Lord of the Rings movies violated some of the stuff in the source material! And, much like the fallout show, those movies were piles of garbage, right?
Still the biggest question is "how did master miss vaults 4 and 31-33 that aren't even hidden under a mountain?" This and complete lack of supermutants in the area they make the most sense feels wrong to me.
@@John1045even then, supermutants were rare by the time of FO2 because most of them either died or fled after the Master died. The largest community of them in California scattered and went east to the Mojave. This was also like 5 decades before the show takes place. Any remaining mutants either died, left, or we just didn't see them. It would make no sense for the place to be crawling with them.
hey tim, i dont know if you are going to read this message but i just wanted to thank you for fallout 1 and 2. As a young kid 20'ish years ago my brother introduced me into fallout 1 and 2. i was just a toddler from south america and fallout games were not patched for spanish readers yet so i was forced to use an english to spanish dictionary to translate 99% of the dialogues and in the process i started to learn a second language and it was thanks to this that in high school I had A+'s in English. i know this aint much but its thanks to the fallout franchise now a days i speak "decent" english. PS: i'm never going to forget playing fallout 1 with a dictionary on my lap, trying to figure out every single word of dialogue trying to figure out the best outcome for my character (i hated it when townfolks started to attack me because i made them mad lol). Can't thank you enough. ps2 - related to the tv serie show, i kind of love it, the nuking of shady sands (not so much, there was so much nostalgia for me there), the raiders in ep1 (vault dwellers with their pipboys should have detected their rads the moment the door was open) other than that, it was great. its like a dream come true for people like to watch a tv serie like fallout
The "nuking of shady sands" doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme, the show is a continuation of the story and lore of the games and not everything stays the same always in life. They're not gonna ever go back to that story and rehash the original games, thing always change which isn't always a bad thing and plus we don't know the whole story yet and that's whats fun about experiencing the show as a continuation of this IP 👍 other than that nice comment bro 👍
SPOILER ALERT! According to an interview with Todd Howard for IGN, the date of The Fall of Shady Sands (2077) is NOT the date the city got nuked, those are two separate events. He also mentioned that everything that happened in Fallout New Vegas DID happen and nothing was retconned, also stating that those bombs fell shortly after events of New Vegas.
My good friend Nate here in Florida is a well known cosplayer. The dead assaultron laying in the sand in episode 2 is actually his costume that they bought from him to use. He had to keep it secret for a long, long time and was super excited to finally see it on the screen.
that's sooo cool, tell him he did a great job on it lol
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@@jetrifle4209 the part that it was a cosplay is true. you can fact check it online.
that’s amazing! how you know showrunners care about the show.
@@jetrifle4209rude
It's official, Tim Cain is a self-confessed Murder-Hobo! 😆
Hey, we’ve all been a murder hobo once or twice.
@@CainOnGames I'm glad you liked the show Tim, I thought it was great, my only gripe was the lack of deathclaws and Super-Mutants, but that leaves something for season 2. The lore changes were fine in my book, making Vault-Tec, Big MT, and others the conspirators was a great touch, and explained all the weird Vault experiments perfectly. I'm glad the enclave got a place as well.
@@CainOnGames my mr shank from fallout 2 will always be my alter ego. Stabbing before asking is just fun sometimes i guess
@@CainOnGames or all the time. And in the game.
@@Carcerianconsidering that Sinclair was the only nice rich pre-War guy, it's a terrible lore change.
Giving Ghouls a healing factor (outside of a high rad area) is also bad.
And bombing Shady Sands screws over New Vegas.
Though most of the "Lore changes" seem to mess with NV.
The part with the "water chip broke and we only have two months" FO1 reference was a bit weird, because no one talked about it later. 😂
Because it was a lie to elect the supervisor of 31
@@giancarlo5945 damn I must be stupid I never caught on to that. I just assumed that they were willfully ignorant of trying to change their situation but this does make since. I suppose I got too distracted from the vault 31 stuff.
@@dmsnotesadventuresofthethi779 even if it wasn't a lie, they had vaults 32 and 31 as well they could've gone to to get their water filter
They weren't dead in the water (excuse the pun) just yet
@@blinkachu5275That was honestly probably what they told the vault dwellers. “Vault 31 had a spare.”
Oooo member when the story was actually original?
Yes exactly! I thought the same!
Lucy: First playthrough
Maximus: second playthrough
Ghoul: third playthrough
Almost exactly what I said
3 different levels of experience with the game just like they have 3 different levels of experience with the outside world.
Lucy: FO3
Maximus: Tactics
Ghoul: New Vegas
I was gonna say, Lucy's arc reminded me a lot of when I first ever played fallout. Coming out of the vault and just learning as I went along. Brought me back to those days watching her. And like you said, I definitely play the games a lot more like Cooper when I hop on these days
@@Nicolatteaur When the show adds a character running around in spotted underwear and shooting a pink handmade rifle with explosive rounds you know its 76.
Lucy-FP: Let's see what is under this rock.
Maximus-FP: I WANT THAT POWER ARMOR AND SMASH EVERYONE TO BITS.
Ghoul-FP: I can do this all day. Full Perception/Endurance/Agility.
My favorite 'easteregg' so far was Cooper wanting to buy a 5 acre farm in Bakersfield....
Bakersfield shows up as Necropolis in Fallout and Cooper turns soI thought it hilarious he thought he is safe there haha
I grew up in Bako. That's funny.
Bakersfield is truly a meme among Californians lol, there’s a reason why they chose Bakersfield to be Necropolis
@dathunderman4 yes. And it's a meme even to those of us from there "armpit of California" lol
Disappointed that there weren't any fallout 76 eastereggs
Necropolis isn’t particularly worse than the rest of the wasteland, it’s just populated by ghouls.
I love how you didn't pull the "I made Fallout" card. I also love how you, as one of the creators of Fallout still theorize about Fallout. Your acceptance of other storytellers' take on the franchise is really commendable.
Did you not see the video about the special treatment he gets from Bethesda?
@@GypsumGeneration yes, he gets that because he is a person like @browney described, no one invites selfish people like the other dude.
@@GypsumGeneration No. Wdym?
@@kaanozkuscu5079 Leonard? Oh is that why Leonard is always checked out of these things? Is he anti-Beth or something?
I agree that vault tec was planning on nuking but didnt actually, they had so many unfinished vaults. You'd think they'd finish construction on all their projects before pushing the button.
It also just feels very realistic that there would be a half dozen factions that all thought they were super clever and ahead of everybody else, but events were really just spiraling out of everybody's control. Vault Tec would have gotten overconfident because they thought they were the only ones that could control the timing. But there were too many fingers on too many buttons.
"US was going to defeat China, so China responded to territorial invasion with nukes" is *also* a perfectly plausible scenario, no matter how much other lore gets laid alongside it. I like that it's vague. Vague feels honest. It's always layers with war, history becomes like an onion where you keep peeling back layers to find deeper causes. If they set a Fallout game in China, I am sure all the information in China that the player could find would blame events on the US government, etc.
in the endcard of episode8 you see a billboard, advertising for CryoTubes.
VaultTec definitely plan to sell even more slots for the upcoming Armageddon, there is no way they woulda nuked before they found a way to control the situation on who will make it to the future
Doesn't Operation:Anchorage confirm Chinese spies gave their gov the Intel on VaultTec planning to drop the bombs so they decided to get the jump on the US while they were scrambling to get their ducks in a row?
Well we know vault tec did drop nukes in America because we can find an unexploded VT nuke in Megaton. We also know the corporations had taken over n had amassed more money than the government was worth making them huge assets to the US. In my mind, I think peace talks were to be had between US n China but when VT found out about it, they jumped the shark before the public could find out. That could be why the weather guy at the start was talking about how the nukes could go off any day now even though we know there were plans for peace talks. Or I could be getting the lore wrong. Pls correct me if I'm wrong 🙏
You're not seeing the big picture. Most of the vaults didn't matter. You heard her cut them loose on their own in the board meeting. They were squabbling. Only certain vaults were given central priority. That didn't go over my head.
You are mocking me with this thumbnail, Tim.
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(Not so) fun fact! In South Korea, there are very sad and lonely guys who think any time they see the two fingers close together, it’s mocking them. It doesn’t matter the context or if it’s a single second or even single frame. They will try to cancel whatever it is.
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The three protagonists basically being player character builds doing the same campaign but via different routes / sidequests was BRILLIANT. It translated so well into TV. Never expected the show to be as good as it was.
Yeah I have to admit I wanted it to be a continuation of the dumpster fire that bugthesda is but, It was pretty good I have to admit. Some people say the chem Cooper was taking the stave off turning is a retcon but, I disagree. In Nuka World in FO4 you do a mission (I forget everyones names) where you help a Ghoul find his ghoulfriend who was on the trail of such a chem IIRC.
@@maximvsdread1610 There is a large amount of precedent for rad drugs being developed during the war that cause ghoulification in the lore, so really its a GOOD retcon in my opinion, because i think they are working towards Coop having a ghoul back story similar Eddie winters ro Hancock, where he didn't just ghoulifiy naturally, reason for this is because every other ghoul we see going fearl has mental problems but never huge shut downs, but when coop is withdrawing for lack of a better term, he seems sick, not like he is going crazy, which leads me to believe his ghoulification is different enough that his symptoms are completely different from other ghouls So i honestly feel like the retcon is to highlight this difference.
@@ZombieKitty321 Yeah. Could be...lol... :)
@@maximvsdread1610why would you want something that you enjoy to be a dumpster fire? I just can’t get behind that logic. This is the issue I have with Fallout fans is that they LOOK for ways to hate on the IP they love. If you don’t like it, that fine, but wanting it to be bad before you even watch it is just silly
@@Teej56 I never loved them. They sh*t on the lore. They sh*t on Obsidian. FO4 was a sh*t RPG. 76 was them sh*tt*ing on the ones that did Love them. They will never make ES6 or FO5. AND IF THEY DO.... It will be a bigger disappointment than Starfield. I'm just reading the tea leaves and enjoying the warmth of a toasty dumpster fire that's well deserved.
I wish this video was 3x longer, could listen to you talk Fallout all day
Agreed. Tim, please considering doing a deeper dive review, maybe episode by episode if you're up to it.
Not gonna lie I wish Tim would bless us with 1h long videos :D It's hard to watch them all but when I do sit and watch him, I could sit and listen to him for hours :D
Agreed. Tim could do hour long vids in general and I'd watch. The guy is just interesting.
Same
His channel is THE goldmine!
dude so wholesome and inspiring to see you talk anything game related especially Fallout related
Tim is literally a legend, so positive. Must feel incredible seeing something you worked on from the beginning evolve into such an IP and now with a show too.
It would be so cool to see the original Fallout devs get a cameo in the next season
He should play his same character from Nuka break
@@Kawmbat_Veteran It would be so sool if you touched grass and tried speaking to actual people in person, you absolute mentalist.
@@Kawmbat_Veteranbro do u realize this review is by the creator of fallout…
@@forrestnolan1168 uh check again, Fallout was created by a few people. He was just one of the creators, clearly he was one of the guys who went and got coffee for Todd, Chris, Josh and the rest of them. Of course he will say "oh the show was so great." He most likely got paid by Amazon to say that. Anyone who likes your comment is just riding you because they're just as clueless how games are made.
@@Kawmbat_Veteranhe's like the main reason we have fallout stfu and respect tim cain you pleebian
Wilzig asking Lucy "The question is, will you still want the same things, when you've become a different animal altogether?" was such a good piece of foreshadowing for the conclusion.
How do you mean? I don't remember Lucy becoming a dog :P
I think it's just a general "Harsh experiences will change us all" kinda line.
@@phattjohnson Man, that joke was ruff.
House alluded to this theme as well in his brief cameo. 'If you confine a group of rats to a nest for a long time they end up eating each other, who's to say your rats will be able to survive better than the animals on the surface?'
That's just the ending of Fallout 1 rewritten
Maybe Wilzig knew something about her dad!!! Didn't he also tell Lucy things about her own vault and that he knew alot of things that only other vault dwellers would know? Hmmm! Great comment and good catch!!!
Fallout was your baby, dude. To see it elevated to the small screen, recognising your ideas and influences must have felt amazing.
Todd Howard confirmed in a interview that nuking of Shady Sands happened shortly after events of Fallout New Vegas (2281) and that Fallout 1, 2, FNV and Tactics are also still canon. "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" is not referencing nuking in 2277, but something different.
Wait Tactics is Canon? i thought Tactics was considered Loose Canon
@@Burning_Soul they previously said Tactics and BoS weren't canon but Emil put out an official timeline and it does now include Tactics, so they seemingly went back on that. I think BoS is still non-canon though.
@@ltbqI actually would’ve preferred if they remade it and then make that canon
@@ltbq Tactics is the only game ive not looked into at all, What made it non-canon originally?
@@ltbqEmil also said some wild stuff about canon the past week, including stuff that was so off base that he needed to go back on it (fallout 4 guy was in the intro to fallout 1?)
so we should probably take anything that’s not directly confirmed in a piece of media with a massive grain of salt
Tim, i thought the same thing. Why would she send her kid to the party knowing the bombs would fall? Something is up there.
im surprised that not many people have mentioned this
There's still a lot of context we haven't seen yet. Plenty of gaps to be filled via flashbacks in future seasons.
I personally think Vault-Tec betrayed her too.
yes, i agree. like The Ghoul said "there's always somebody behind the wheel."
@@filthycasual8187 could be someone in vault tec went rouge and launched early, could be vault tec never got to enacted their plan and this is the chinese or even something else starting the war
My favorite easter egg is the 101097 code! Oh, and as far as the Shady Sands nuking date goes, I can see all sorts of ways that the writers can write around that. It seems like the kind of moment meant as an attention-grabber--with an explanation already in mind. We're still waiting to find out what happened to the NCR, and the writers still have tons of open pathways that they can take the NCR.
For example, the leadership simply might not have been there. Judging by the way the timeline was drawn, some unknown amount of time passed between the fall of Shady Sands, and it being nuked. If Shady Sands fell, that doesn't mean the leadership died; it just means that Shady Sands was no longer ground zero for the NCR. If the key figures aren't there, then nuking Shady Sands is not enough to kill off the NCR.
Also, even though the show seems to have altered the location of Shady Sands--or maybe Shady Sands itself is supposed to have been re-founded at some point in a new place?--I can't help but remember that it was settled by former Vault 15 residents. Perhaps the location of Vault 15 followed the location of Shady Sands, meaning that the leadership had a handy bolt hole... one that could have been repaired enough to be nuke-proof, during the many years after it was last abandoned.
Oh, and for you who do not know your history, on August 24, 1814, Washington, DC was captured; British troops burned down the White House, the Capitol, and a lot more big chunks of DC--our equivalent of Shady Sands. The seat of our government was destroyed. And yet, somehow, here we are, over 2 centuries later. Crazy, huh?
Laf uTube edited my comment for me, removing the 101097 passALLONEWORDcode part! And the italics, and the bold words. Thanks, uTube. You're soooooooo good at keeping the world safe for humanity, you are.
Arent there signs "Last outpost of NCR" or something like that ? I think saw such signs in last episode
I really enjoyed Ep. 4. The one where Cooper drags Lucy around and they meet a ghoul named Rog and Lucy finds out the consequences of her accidentally destroying Cooper's vials. Then, Cooper has to put him down as a result. Later in the same episode, she releases a bunch of ghouls in a Super Duper Mart and has to do the same with Martha. The episode then ends with Lucy saving Cooper by bringing him the vials despite what he put her through. The tone of the episode was pretty much close with the original Fallout in that you could do everything right and still lose but still not give up anyway.
The shootout on the bridge was also chef's kiss. She really tried to be better, and that got Maximus shot.
That episode also serves to introduce people to Ghouls as a concept too, as up to this point you’ve only seen Cooper who is still fully functional
"No good deed goes unpunished "
Episode 4 was an incredible hour of TV. It captures the whole idea of why people play RPGs, Fallout in particular. And it even works as a self-contained story because of how tight Lucy/Cooper plot is.
Sadly, Episode 5 is where the series started to lose me because it diverged more and more into signature Jonathan Nolan's tract (see later seasons of Westworld). And I did not appreciate changes to the lore.
So agree!
It's funny that the Creator of Fallout is now theorizing like a fan about what the lore is.
He isn’t involved in the new lore development.
He's what started this series. All the obsidian fanboys are wild. As a NV fan I loved the show. Tim Cain is more based than Sawyer regardless of what you say@@8bitchiptune420
@@8bitchiptune420 Thats why he's theorizing, the comment is mentioning how it's ironic one of the creators is now theorizing like a fan would.
because Fallout is no longer in his control, he can just theorize, like, dislike or cope about any lore consistency or inconsistency like the rest of us.
@@pell9538Thank you, at least someone gets it.
hi Tim! I asked Michael Abbott Jr., the actor who played the sand purifier diaper guy, if he was familiar with the original game. his answer was:
"To this day I’ve never played any of the #FALLOUT games or seen any of the animation. The physicality was based solely on what I thought someone living under those conditions might look like and luckily Jonah & Graham were into it. The cloth diaper on the other hand-THEIR idea;-)"
this is a very interesting convergence of interpretation of what being in the wasteland would look like!
Neat
Please tell Michael he was one of the high points of the show for me. His walk, his appearance, his dialog…all very Fallout.
Yes! The guy with the “water filter” I loves that part! I told my wife that scene felt straight out of fallout, especially the end where he says “thanks for not shootin me with that gun” 😂
“A fella hand you a bottle of clean water, ya drink it. Even if you’re not thirsty, ya drink it”
Loved that line. He’s a genuine good dude but comes off as rude and entitled due to the common sense sentiments of the surface dwellers. He’s just doing as his mamma taught him 🥺
I hope that guys Lucy's love interest after everything is said and done, he legit is just a chill wastelander lol
Funny because to me that scene had every negative feature of the show dialed up to the max.
The jokes are so obvious and fall so flat it is insane, I can imagine the same crowd that thinks Big Bang Theory is funny would find this funny.
The world building is fucking atrocious, as in there simply isn't any, most settlement scenes could be swapped around with scenes from Mad Max Thunderdome and you wouldn't notice the difference, entirely box-standard post apocalypse design. The by now royalty free music is the only thing creating even a hint of atmosphere. Also, food stuff packaged in cardboard exposed to the elements for over two centuries isn't edible, it wouldn't even be there to be found in the first place, glad to see Bethesda didn't feel the need to right any of their wrongs for the show.
The overall level of CGI is also horrendously bad (a lot of it done by a Bulgarian crowd, and it really shows), especially the surrounding wasteland in exterior shots is very very poor. Fallout 3 does an infinitely better establishing shot of the wasteland upon the vault dweller's emergence on the surface, a game from nearly 20 years ago that looked like dog shit even then, how fucked up is that? The movement of all creatures and the power armor is often even worse than the scenery.
In the end the show was exactly what I thought it would be, a completely sterile marketing exercise with the non existent production values of a straight to streaming show.
That and the guy coming in during the election campaign to tell everyone the water chips broken 😂
@@JohnDaubSuperfan369 anyone who takes fallout this serious, as a game and especially as a TV show, is clearly unaware that there's almost nothing serious about it. The visuals are supposed to appear somewhat corny, almost cartoonish. The only serious characters in the entirety of fallout was Ulysses, Frank Horrigan, father Elijah and elder maxson. Virtually any other character in fallout is generally an outline. So if you didn't like that particular scene for whatever reason I feel like fallout is not a show for you.
It has recently come out that the Writers of the TV show asked permission from Todd Howard to Blow up Shady Sands. So I definitely think that they have a plan in mind already for what is going to happen in season 2.
Todd said he was very sad 😢
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116yeah well he gave us starfield… so he still owes us a lot more
@@thebazhammer2610 He can't seem to stop taking L's lately
He prob said "what's that? Sure whatever."
or could be Bethesda being Bethesda, you know? could have said the show is not canon.. like a spin-off in its own universe, like an alternate timeline where Bethesda soft-reboot the series so all of this would've make sense, in term of their own stupidity. I mean, Fallout 2 has its own stupidity, but.. damn nigga! all of you people really defending this mediocre crap, would be fine if it set in East Coast.
Hi Tim! Big Fallout fan here since 1998 (got to it a little later), and your work in general, writing to you fron half a world apart. Love that you use UA-cam yo let us hear your ideas, and that you actually read us back. Been waiting to throw something relevant just as an excuse to first show my true appreciation: kudos to you.
I loved the Fallout show. It got me drilled to my seat. I got actual shivers when I heard the now famous “War never changes”, and felt like a little kid finding everything that was on screen releted to the games. I would have much preffered if they kept the FO1/2 aesthetic, but I get it: it’s Bethesda doing their own thing, and I deeply respect that.
So, here is my 2 cents: it’s true, Fallout is known for it’s unreliable narrators, some inconsistencies are to be expected from game to game, and even on the same one (looking at you backstory about Jet!), given the amount of extension, time and people involved. But beyond that and on a “canonical” review, I belive that “The Fall of Shady Sands” was an exaggeration (after all the Fall of Rome didn’t mean the destruction of the City of even the Empire, that continued east for years to come), then we see a nuked city. Which striked me as off, given that Shady Sands was a post war town, made by adobe settlements, in close proximity to Vaults 13 and 15 (the latter, where most of its population came from), near the mountains, and far from any City. The Shady Sands, close to LA, could mean the State of Shady Sands, as part of NCR, that we see in the show: still is on. Maybe its some mix up, and the city is actually the LA Boneyard. What was really off for me was that the post ending scenes that show a desolate New Vegas, filled with downed NCR vertibirds. A thing that sent my suspension of disbelief haywire was the MacGuffin cold fusion: I mean wasn’t that what fueled most cars, cities and even power armor. And energy weapons used self contained, portable micro fusion reactors. The thing it came too little too late, kept it from preventing the Resource Wars, in a world that still dependen mainly on fossil fuel? Vault-Tec didn’t stopped its use, nor did the US gov.
Sorry for the long rant and thanks for all your work!
You got hearted by Tim!
Thanks for the heads up, @malif1279 ! I’m really not tech saavy in general, or in UA-cam in particular, this is all kind of hacus pocus for me. So, had to spend some well earned skill points on Science (or, actually, Google search what that means). Very glad you liked that Tim!
Also, this comes to me somewhat later: Cooper Howard (gessing, some kind of tribute to Bethesda’s own Todd Howard?) comments several time on being a US soldier in the power-armored division in what we can guess was at the latest the Battle of Anchorage, the “final” part of the Sino-American War, previous to the “Big One”. Coop lets it slide that he used a T-60, which experience tought him had a vulnerability in the chest plate, that he infamously exploits to down several Brotherhood Knights. So I have at least 2 questions: how was he using a T-60 in Alaska, when they came to be only “months before the Great War” (gessing it shoud have said a T-51b); and if this was a known secret for him for several years, how come he didn’t use that with his first encounter with Maximus? Also: I want to see in the future a “Power Armor Sweet Spot” perk in the future
He used a T-45. He talks about it after doing the vault tec commercial
I didn’t really like the show tbh.
I agree that Vault Tec didn't start the war but were planning to. Other than Barb sending her daughter to a birthday party when the war was kicking off, Mr. House was at that meeting where Barb announced the plan. In New Vegas, House mentions how he miscalculated and the bombs dropped before he was ready with the laser defence system and the platinum chip. How could he have miscalculated if he was involved with Vault Tec's plan? My bet is that Vault Tec were beaten to the punch, hence why House was caught surprised and Barb's daughter was at the party
The show is literally telling us they did, and that they had the most reasons too as well. They didn't make that investment for nothing! We have to remember that the company was a defense contractor, a part of the military industrial complex, which is what becomes the Enclave. It wasn't just the President and the military brass, House was a member, everyone we see in that room was a member, though apparently there was a disagreement somewhere along the line on when the war should begin, or House in particular was excluded from having that knowledge, but the idea that Barb would have had the authority to delay the timing because of her daughter being at a birthday? We know by that point, Cooper and her were divorced, she might not have even been aware were her daughter was exactly at that time and unable to do anything about it. But the show seems to hint she might have gotten a hold of her somehow. We still have no idea what happened to Barb or to their daughter, only that ghoul Cooper is still looking for the both of them after more than two centuries.
@@menghao737 Ok but why would she even let her daughter go to a birthday party at all if she knew? Even if she was having problems with her husband you think she would do the very minimum of telling him when the nukes were falling to make sure her daughter would be safe?
The games also heavily imply that china launched the nukes first so its very possible they were planning on doing it but were beaten to the punch.
Also also, they had plenty of unfinished vaults, youd think they would have wanted to have finished them all before launching there nukes. They need all there precious data from there totally moral experiments.
@@ClandorSo far we encountered three unfinished vaults in Fallout 4. Vault 114, Vault 118, and Vault 88.
They weren't planning to start the war, because they had no capability to do so. Their masters in the Enclave probably planned on starting the war once their preparations were complete, but both them were caught by surprise when China started it.
@@menghao737 The military industrial complex didn't become the Enclave, the Enclave already existed before the war, they were the ones who essentially created Vault-Tec for the sake of performing experiments for their long-term space colonization project. Vault-Tec also didn't start the war, nor did they have any power to do so. Only the Enclave did, but they were beaten to the punch by the chinese, which ruined their plan and allowed for their ultimate defeat in Fallout 2.
I almost pissed myself laughing at the water guy. Peak Fallout NPC
Especially when Lucy kept autistically pointing the gun at him in the beginning while the two were conversing. Like knowing 80% of the time my character and other NPCs casually has their piece out and chatting about what's happening around town.
RIGHT? And that line, "You're nice for not shooting me" or however he said it. I lost my shit lol
Much respect, sir. You helped bring one of the greatest IPs to life and it was wonderful to hear your thoughts on the show
It must be so surreal to watch something you and a team of other great minds created over 25 years ago come to the screen.
Tim, I hope you get a cameo in season 2!
I hope so too!
He needs to play a remnant of The White Glove Society still in the strip 😂
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 that would be iconic.
And while he is watching that, he is probably saying to himself: "Look how they (Turd Coward and Bughtesta) massacred my boy (Interplay's and Obsidian's vision of Fallout universe)." Talk about bastardezing a franchise...
@@Mistrinho he said he liked it lol. stop coping
So happy you liked it Tim. I loved seeing you at the event with Todd. Fallout is really being enjoyed by the world now in all it's forms and it started with you. Thank you once more for that world to play around in.
Imagine if they'd gone with a different name such as 'Earth A.D.'
Most sane fallout fan
@@UlyssesMyea literally, because that was a perfectly normal comment
I really enjoyed it as a piece of television entertainment. Nailed the aesthetics and the tone and it feels like Fallout.
But it also really feels like Bethesda finally rug-pulled the "West Coast Trilogy" to reset the canon for their own story. They never cared about those games because they didn't make them, and as such, their stories were disposed of out of convenience to steal their ideas.
Which, frankly, sucks.
The show ends at that point in the games where you feel like things are really getting started: Bringing back the water chip, returning Arroyo, reaching New Vegas. The ending feels like that point and it's tough to wait for more.
Nice catch on her daughter. It's possible she didn't order the nukes. There's the lore that makes it unclear who launched them but it's possible Valt-Tec set things up but maybe a trigger happy operator launched them. In any case Season 2 has been confirmed.
I think the visual nod to Dr.Strangelove in the Vault-Tec War Room may imply that despite their plans, something went wrong and the War happened by accident. The next season will probably expand on that pre-War storyline.
Didn’t the Mr house say something about not being ready for the nukes? It was prolly planed but since it was kicked off by someone els it would make since that he wasn’t ready, unless I’m misremembering what he said
@@BallPlayer17127 Yeah, the whole plot of FNV revolves around the fact that he was supposed to receive the platinum chip BEFORE the bombs went off.
@@moonlightingjamthat actually seems to cover up a plot hole in house’s plan, he planned the delivery around the plan he was told by vault tec which would explain why he was sure that it would be delivered on time, of course we know it wouldnt arrive until over two centuries later
It could be anything from a misunderstanding with the babysitter (Copper was divorced paying alimony and he took her daughter to work) to Vault-Tec having a Chinese spy inside the company making China decide to rush an attack after learning about V-tech plans.
The only thing they didn't do, that I wish they'd done, was bring Ron Perlman in to say "War… war never changes" 😊
Hoping he shows up as the Vault-Tec CEO in a future season and says it himself.
@@Wylkus42 yep. it's exciting to think how much can be added in future seasons.
Ron is not very popular right now in Hollywood due to his outspoken opinions regarding his political beliefs and Hollywood elites. I don't know if he has been blackballed entirely, but his presence in productions has definitely decreased. The actor's guild holds a lot of sway in the industry and if you don't march in lockstep with their narrative you do not succeed without large outside backers.
@@DookRahool Oh, I was not aware. Thanks.
@@ashuggtube Yeah, it's unfortunate, I enjoy Ron's acting and VO work. I don't believe that those things should matter in a professional setting. It is what it is nowadays, optics and all, I guess.
Damn, tim casually dropping that he's the "Hip Hoppopotamus", what's Steve got to do with it?
Steve!
I thought i was crazy when i saw the reference
What kind of rapping name is "Steve"!?
To be fair, his rhymes are bottomless.
But I wish he'd be productive with his feedback. Please
Ghoul's wife is not CEO, it's not her decision when to drop bombs. Todd explained that "The Fall of Shady Sands" is not equal to nuking it, two separate events.
Her and Bud were at a high enough level that they would have known most likely.
@@Crudecoronet look at the top men faces when Putin post-factum announced the attack on Ukraine:)
I see the Fall akin to the Fall of Rome...Rome kept existing for a while but its impetus and motivation to grow had been lost.
@@Crudecoronet Bud is middle management though, and she might be as well but she answers directly to whoever the real boss is.
We see a shadowed figure presumably send her an order when she checks her pip-boy. Assuming it's the Enclave pulling all the strings, she's just following their orders by selling the idea of dropping the nukes first to all the other conglomerate leaders. We know she doesn't have actual complete power to order the nukes herself as even she's keeping appearances to be in good light for securing her and her family into a vault.
After finishing the show I felt compelled to play Fallout 1 again. At 2AM last night my wife was like, "What are you still doing up? It's sleep time!"
You and your team must be so proud of the work you did that your IP survived to go mainstream idk if it has hit that state yet but that moment when you know they get it and this is amazing must feel so good.
Oh it's definitely mainstream now! My friends who've never played fallout are actually playing the games (I bought them some) on account of the show! It just goes from big to bigger!
People are going to get very mad to this comment but Bethesda also deserves praise because they are the ones that got the franchise back in good tracks. You may not like the new games or direction that the franchise took, but remember that there's a reason why it was sold in the first place.
@@jorgeloredo100 People who get mad at that need to get over reality and realize you gotta give credit where it's due. I have a lot of things against Bethesda but I would never disagree that Bethesda gave Fallout the popularity it reached today.
@@jorgeloredo100 Only the hardcore NV fans have the braindead take of "every bethesda game bad". I think everyone (except for that loud annoying minority), can think of at least SOMETHING they like about each game.
brother it's definitely mainstream now and is good. it's a billion dollar IP and success is what keeps things alive you always want things to be successful nothing wrong with it being "mainstream" I welcome all the new fans and love all the games and believe they are all valid 👍 Enjoy
It’s funny you mention how much you liked the random encounter with the guy who drunk Lucy’s water. I remember telling my son after that scene was over that I could totally see that scene playing out in the video game. The actor definitely nailed the demeanor and attitude of a Fallout NPC and the dialogue was spot on.
Also thank you so much for all of your hard work. Fallout gave me countless hours of fun when I was a teenager and is still my favorite.
Honestly, I felt like it was a bit of a classic 'dumb guy caricature'
Then again, Fallout does this often, like with Fantastic in New Vegas
thanks for not shooting at me" got me of guard lol
Someone mentioned that Lucy keeping her gun pointed at the dude is a hilarious reference in the games where for some reason the player character always has their gun drawn while talking to an NPC. Even if not true (never played Fallout 3 onwards), it’s still a funny scene to watch lol. Ella Purnell is amazing.
Has "OH YEAH SMELL THAT AIR!" energy.
I felt like he falls into the overlap between Fallout and Borderlands and could work in either franchise.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on the full season, I was going to ask if you'd make a video on this! I'm really impressed and surprised by the TV show paying so much tribute towards the franchise, from all over the games, but still being willing to take risks and make waves in the timeline. It makes me feel optimistic about the future of the franchise and what they'd be willing to do with stories branching off from here.
Thanks again Tim, love the videos and so happy to see your brain-child done justice and shown all the love it deserves.
Season two has been announced
Oh gosh no.
The thing that got me the most about the show recreating the feeling of the games was that Lucy and Maximus each felt like different takes on how a player character could go through a Fallout game's choices. More than that, however, Maximus really felt like how it felt for me to TRY and play a real jerk of a character only for it to actually be extremely difficult to keep it up without falling into doing the right thing
Brilliant observation! That really captures the vibe of Maximus.
This is the coolest perspective I’ve seen on a character in the show so far. I am so guilty of doing this when I intend to do low karma runs. Brilliant
I appreciate how the show doesn't go out of its way in terms of exposition; it gives you all the information you need as long as you pay attention. It's written in a way that respect the intelligence of the audience, even in the way that the show handles it's comedic elements-- it doesn't go out of its way to tell you that you are supposed to laugh at the moments that are intended to be funny or silly. The brief shot of Lucy and Maximus looking shocked and confused at the fact that they were unharmed after being missed by the gratuitous amount of bullets that had just been shot at them honestly cracked me up.
You tell yourself that.
@@themightycrixus1131 you sure got him there 😒
*Eric Estrada, yeah, I recognized him as well in episode 7. I was like, wait a minute, I know that guy from CHiPs. 😂👍
It's Marco from Sealab 2021!
@@mboreloh Marco, that mailbox head
He's aged well, doesn't look 75 from my perspective.
@1Draesx he always has
He's got the strength of FIVE gorillas! @@mborel
"popping off the top of my esophagus" I need to use this lmao
Look up ‘Flight of the Conchords Hiphopopotamus vs. Rhymenoceros’. It’s from that. You’re welcome for the rabbit hole you are about to experience.
@@Ryotsu2112 thank you, now I have to use sugarlumps as well
@@Ryotsu2112 Where did you get that preposterous hypothesis?
I love how he kept referring to next season like it was a game sequel.
How wonderful to hear that you are enjoying it and is excited for more, just like me! Really hits it home to me how much love and respect was put in the show. There are definitely some people online that should take some time and watch this video lol
It's amazing to see you excited and giddy about the show, regardless of what other people may think about it.
It'd be extremely hilarious if the NV developers intended for Caeser's Legion to be the canonical ending. lmao
Hope it is. Chose him because he reminded me of Kurtz, (he was based upon him in both the movie and the novella).
@@consciencexp116 The Legion are trash, with no vision of a viable future, so no. No way that is the canonical ending.
@@consciencexp116 we wont go quietly, the legion can count on that
Love it! It really felt like the core pillars, experience promises of Fallout were the pillars in the show, that the player personas were the characters. The emphasis on environmental storytelling. The lack of 'Oh you didn't get the joke? You must not be a fan'-jokes. It felt so *harmonized*. And I've been iffy on modern TV writing lately, and having the dialogue really express the world, factions, and character's traits with every line was a breath of fresh air.
Also, so glad to have found your channel through this! I teach game design and just love delving into folks' experience and I'm so ready to deep dive your ramblings :) Really appreciated.
There's beauty in all of this.
Now you get to be a fan too.
I can only imagine how awesome that is or feels.
Hi, Tim.
I didn't realize you had a youtube channel. I'm a long time Fallout fan, since the original game. I know you haven't been involved with the franchise in a long time but I still wanted to thank you for all the work that you did with the IP. The Fallout franchise is one of my favorite game franchises of all time, particularly the pre-Bethesda games, so thank you for helping to create it.
On the subject of Vault-Tec dropping the bombs, I totally agree and have been saying basically the same thing. They talked about it, and may have even been planning to, but given that Cooper's wife was on the board deciding that stuff, there's no way she'd have let her daughter be anywhere but with her on the day VT was going to start a nuclear war. Furthermore, there have been unfinished vaults either directly seen or mentioned in terminal entries and such in the games over the years, at least two of them in Fallout 4, which is another piece of evidence that VT didn't drop the first nuke because they weren't yet ready to do it.
At this point, we still don't know who launched first. We see the bombs landing in LA which might, at first glance, make it seem like China attacked first, but those could have been retaliatory for the US bombing China first. Unless it was blasted on the news somehow, "THIS JUST IN, WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS HAVE INFORMED US HERE AT THE NEWS STATION THAT WE HAVE LAUNCHED NUKES AT CHINA. HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTTS," your average Joe citizen wouldn't know the US was launching nukes at China.
There was definitely some exposition, but it's good that they hid it enough for you not to notice. For example, in the first episodes while the brotherhood scribes are in class they talk about the purpose of the brotherhood.
I agree and I'm dying to rewatch the series with a friend who knows nothing about Fallout, I'm curious to see whether it'll make sense to someone who doesn't know the background...
Just finished the series with my wife, she didn't even know the Fallout games existed. She had surprisingly little difficulty following the show and even predicted some of the twists I didn't see coming. If anything, I think putting together the world of Fallout from an outside perspective was an even better experience for her, when the Shady Sands/NCR reveal comes she was floored by the revelation that society had been rebuilt, only to be taken back to square 1. The only thing that confused her was when the show took place, for the first few episodes she assumed that the pre-war was meant to be the 1950s and that the series took place in an alternative timeline where the Cold War went hot early on.
Wait is this THE Tim Cain?
* reads channel description*
You sir are a legend. 😊
It is
I just found his channel too, its so awesome!
9:00 That's actually a great point. I have a habit of taking exposition for granted and hadn't considered that it might not be factual to the plot.
Glad to see someone that has been there before explain it. Things have to change a little bit and we have seen lots of controversy about lore changes. I’m guessing they have an idea and kind of knew a season 2 would be coming so they put it in to get ppl talking then it went in the wrong direction so they had to step in and say hey it’s still cannon just wait and you will see how it works out. If there was no season 2 we would need some explaining
Happy to let you know that as of yesterday season 2 is confirmed by amazon. Although, seeing how much praise it was getting, it seemed inevitable. Glad you liked the show, I do too!
season 2 was greenlit before the show ever aired… that’s why there’s post credit scenes bud
@@crunchysalmons It was greenlit before the premiere, but amazon didn't officially confirm that until yesterday on April 18th. Rumor and speculation are encouraging, but confirmation from the studio and distributor itself is better, bud.
lol. Bud..
Finally finished the show and I am blown away. I cannot wait to see what is next. I adored how they captured the tonal balance so perfectly.
You know, it's a pretty good feeling to know that Tim Cain and I share similar perspectives and feelings about Fallout, and how he seems to take the thought out of my brain and into youtube videos. Makes me feel good that I am at least on the same page of understanding, with most people I feel. I know I cant be alone in feeling this way
I can't wait for season 2! They did such a good job on the show! Thanks for doing these Tim! I always look forward to these videos!
I like how you said you have to figure the show out. I have never played a fallout game and I immediately wanted to know everything so I bought all the games without looking anything up. The mystery and wanting to know what power armor was is what pulled me in and now I'm obsessed with this world.
Welcome to The fallout family bud, you are in for a wild ride
I don’t know if you will see this but, thank you Tim and your team for Fallout 1. I played it for the first time during the pandemic and I just adored it. One of my most memorable video game moments is when I tried and failed to fix Necropolis’s water pump. And it was heartbreaking because I already knew exactly what the consequences were. So thank you and everyone at Interplay who worked on Fallout 1.
While i was watching the show i was thinking “what Tim thinks about this”, it’s nice to know your in depth review about it, i enjoyed the TV show too.
I love your videos, too many videos on UA-cam these days are made without real personal interest. All of your videos feel as though they are made because you have something to say about something you are connected to and I love that. Even your videos about working in programming and design, they are an absolute gold mine of small details that could really help people manoeuvre through that world. Keep doing what you are doing man, your channel is great and I hope to see more seasoned veterans of other industries doing the same thing!
yeah Erik Estrada and Fred Armisen (as the fiddle obsessed guy) were great cameos.
you're the very first person who's mentioned Erik Estrada. And I've watched tons of videos
I like to imagine what Fallout would look like today if Fallout 2 chose the Master's Ending as canon.
that would be really cool
It would look the same because Bethesda doesn't care about the lore
@@f1shze4lotwah wah cry cry 😢
Did you even watch this video..? If the dude who wrote the first game can get over it, you should too.
Fallout 76 was the most lore friendly fallout
My favourite parts of fallout were the new vegas dlcs, old world blues, honest hearts and the sierra madre, I'm not all that big on lore, except I would say that the master is one of the coolest villains ever created
Whoever came up with the idea of the master is the genius behind fallout imo
@@f1shze4lot Tim Cain has said they respect the lore, you're not a fan, you're annoying
Todd already addressed "The fall of Shady Sands" and it getting nuked are two different times. The fall refers to something else and the nuke drops shortly after New Vegas. Makes me feel the Mr. House ending is the canon ending.
If the house ending is Canon then why is new vegas in ruin? End slides shown the streets were efficient and cold. House would have modernized everything, not left it in ruin.
@@mikeleslie5905 Probably the NCR got butt hurt for losing the second battle of Hoover Dam and tried to invade The Strip
It's probably the Yes Man ending? Ulysses did have a *whole mess of nukes to decimate the Long-15,* too. That situation looks like that. So 6 probably nuked the 15 and Caesar, House was 9-ironed in his coffin, and the Lucky 38 is left intact but depopulated. Vault Tec Daddy is likley on his way to claim something from the lucky 38 and the leave.
@@mikeleslie5905end slides aren’t relevant. They always just show destruction. They even show the BoS destroyed despite the BoS winning at the end of this story.
@@mikeleslie5905 The canon house ending takes place fifteen years before the show does. I'm sure literally nothing happened in the proceeding time and it was just exactly as players left it over a decade later.
I think losing the NCR is probably the weirdest part of the show to me. My favorite part of Fallout 2’s setting is that all of the settlements and cities are distinct political groups with their own agendas and the NCR was the coolest one because its agenda was at odds with everyone else’s. Also I don’t buy that it’s just “gone” after a nuke goes off in their capital, my friend thinks they’re hiding but that would be like hiding a state government and it’s entire national guard, it just doesn’t make sense to me that they would lose after losing one city. Maybe if the Legion figured out that they were reeling from a nuke going off and capitalized, but the Boneyard is right next to Arizona so why aren’t they there. I dunno, they didn’t give me a believable reason for the NCR being gone I guess.
Yeah. In fallout 2 I'm pretty sure they were like 700000ish strong, and I don't doubt they became at least a million strong by new vegas. I feel like the NCR may have RETREATED FROM CALIFORNIA, which I find funny because they're the New CALIFORNIA Republic.
They aren't gone. That one group got destroyed in the show but as Todd Howard discussed in his interviews the NCR covered a huge area and they're still plenty of people out there.
In the show the sign said it was the "first capital of the NCR". To me that implies that the NCR isn't gone, and is more laying low with smaller scale settlements elsewhere, like you've said.
definitely not gone (as daddy Howard UwU said). I'm just saying it seems like they may have retreated from California which is funny.
Todd said he doesn't think that's the last we'll see of the NCR. They're probably just not active in the area and might still be going in places like the Hub, Vault City and even San Francisco maybe.
Very interesting point about Vault-Tec nuking first. It definitely never says explicitly in the text of the show that they actually did it. I think that's very deliberate on the part of the writers and that they're going to subvert a few expectations in the coming seasons.
Also, as someone who only ever played (and loved) Fallout 1 and 2, the show definitely felt like Fallout to me and I'm so happy to see that Tim agrees. Seeing the world come to life like this decades later is thrilling enough for an old fan so I can imagine how exciting and fulfilling it us for Tim.
Thank you, Tim for giving us so many great memories and stories that keep on giving!
Mr. Cain, there have been videos of yours where you relent that you feel like your audience appreciates some videos or your thoughts on subjects rather than others. This may be true, but it does not matter to me. For those who were raised without either Grandfathers, your voice, your stories, your experience, and your opinions are much respected to me and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts to young adults like myself who need to hear these experiences and stories to come back to when times are tough. Thank you for your time and your uploads. I look forward to every video you post whether you think it's going to be popular or not.
You look great Tim, don’t kid yourself! and shoutout to you for mentioning Nuka Break!
I think my favorite episode was 4, where Lucy is brought to the Super Duper Mart. A story was being told there and you didn’t have it completely spelled out.
The show kept making me go “I would play this game” and that means they did it right.
As a fan of the show, I did love how it didn’t over saturate with lore drops. We easily could’ve had the Master and Bone Yard history dropped, but instead they decided to focus on the elements important to telling this season’s story. I’m excited to see what is brought up next season
LOVE the show! Must be insane to see your work come to life like this! My favorite bit was when Lucy and Max were debating on if they should keep the fusion core or leave a whole community to die. Felt like a classic Fallout decision and I’m glad that they had something like that in it!
I'm glad you enjoyed it Tim, I really liked your point about the unreliable narrator I agree and think they'll probably lean into it more. One of my favorite parts that made me laugh pretty hard was when Thaddeus unloaded his 10mm at Lucy and Maximus and completely missed. Felt like a totally classic fallout moment, he should have put more points into Small Guns.
I've seen some people theorize that the 2277 date for Shady Sands isn't actually when it was nuked but when the survivors consider "the beginning of the end" to be. IIRC, it's some time during the Brotherhood War and NCR's expansion into the Mojave. If the show is going for a non-NCR canon ending for FNV (which the ending does seem to point towards), then it could make some sense.
2277 is actually when the First Battle of Hoover Dam happens, so it makes sense why they'd consider that the start of the fall as it's when the NCR really starts stretching themselves so thin.
@@TheRedKing247 Thanks for the reminder, I couldn't remember if it was Hoover Dam or Helios One that happened in 2277. But yeah, it does make a lot of sense when you think about it.
This has been confirmed. The bomb did not go off until several years later, a few years after the end of New Vegas.
Yep it actually makes perfect sense they lose at Hoover Dam, then things start crumbling in both states.
@@TheRedKing247 2077 was the Great War. I think you mean 2277 right?
This show got my non gamer wife into the Fallout games lmao she’s obsessed with the universe after picking my brain for a bit and wants to experience the series. For me there were so many “I’ve been there” moments like the Yoa Guai going after Titus. I was rolling.
that's really cool! one more member to the big Fallout family
Will you attempt to get her into Fallout 1 & 2 as well since they take place where the tv show does? They are old games and take a certain kind of temperament, turn based combat and really high difficulty.. But i feel they are truly worth it.
Or are you going only Fallout 3+, the fps games? only New Vegas makes sense with the story besides some story beats for the Brotherhood and i guess the Enclave in 3.
@@gejnormcswipe8435 oh yeah. She wants to know how it all began lmao im actually exited. She’s watched me play NV, 3, 4, knows I love the lore, and now after season 1 of the show, she wants to go all the way back. Im starting her off with lore to helo understand the show. We’ll probably go through 1,2, and NV first since those are more relevant rn. Especially the stuff with the water chip and such, so she can understand the references and stuff.
@@-whiskey-4134 Cool! Really great to be able to show off those things one finds special, and Fallout is for sure one of those in my case as well.
I'm a bit jealous actually!
Hope it all goes well :)
Boy shes in for a ride
Came from Alanah! Loved your review! I wasnt very familiar with the games before watching the series, I have to agree there is a bit of a bump like you mentioned for those of us experiencing this world for the first time! But thankfully I just asked my youtube peeps to point me in the right direction lol. Fallout fans are very helpful, I find!
As for the date of shady sands getting nuked: The chalkboard in vault 4 dates the "Fall of Shady Sands" to 2277, but there is an arrow between that and the mushroom cloud. It notably does not date the mushroom cloud. So the Fall of Shady Sands could refer to another event that predates the bomb by potentially several years.
Well max was a kid and like 8-10 years old. He’s like 20 something in the show so the timeline would be just after NV which lines up with Todd’s comments about the nuking which would have taken place after the 2nd battle of Hoover dam. Maybe threw houses plans of vampirising the ncr
@@lrinfi Yeah, I've watched that Oxhorn video and I had to turn it off because it honestly made me a bit mad. He missed so much stuff and misinterpreted things as a result.
@eyriewow4297 He's made plenty of mistakes like that before
The only thing I didn’t like is that the “past” doesn’t really illustrate that it’s not actually the 1950’s, but rather an alternate future where that aesthetic continued. All we get is a quick shot of a Mr Handy at the birthday party some people may have missed. So a lot of casuals might think the show actually takes place in the 50s. Needed more bots and futuristic cars in those flashback scenes.
THIS. Not a huge issue as I love the 50s ., but...ite retroFUTURISM, not 50s frozen in time...
Still a great show !
@@VishnuZutatenAtompunk
@@VishnuZutatenBethesda doesn't know the difference
8:03 EXACTLY! Thank you Tim. I have seen very few people mention this and you had exactly the same thought I did. I even said to my wife after it ended, there is no way Barb knew the bombs were going to go off and sent her daughter to a birthday party with no means of keeping her safe. Barb seemed like she was fully in on the plan, and fully in with ‘the management’, so there is no way she would have let that happen.
This is the reply I have given to a few threads that have been unhappy with Vault-Tec dropping the bombs. I think Vault-Tec and the other companies were escalating the situation behind the scenes, but the actually timing for dropping of the bombs were just a surprise to them as everyone else.
I see a lot of people talking about the destruction of Shady Sands and the date, but no one talks about them moving Shady Sands 100 miles south to the ruins of Los Angeles. To me that goes against stablished lore much more than the nuke.
A non issue for me... Capitols, towns and villages have moved in history. USA moved the capitol twice early on. NYC to Philly finally to DC. Probably will explain in season 2. My guess it was moved do to a drought and/or famine. The chalkboard timeline indicates the start of the fall, which eventually lead to the bomb.
@@wilfredonievesjr I'm not complaining that they moved "the capital". That's an abstract concept. It's as simple as saying "Now the Hub is the capital of the NCR". I'm saying they moved the location of Shady Sands, as if they lifted the entire city in the sky and dropped it 100 miles south. If you play FO1 you see that Shady Sands was nowhere close to Los Angeles and Junktown and the Hub were between them.
Meh, not a major issue since a couple of locations move around from FO1 to FO2 alone. Shady Sands isn't where it's supposed to be, Vault 15 is in a slightly different spot but also looks radically different than it did in FO1, it's not all that important and looks more visually interesting.
I happened to find the channel, by chance. What an awesome guy you are, Tim. I can tell you’re a genuinely good man, and I have really enjoyed the content that you’ve created on UA-cam.
Thank you so much for bringing the Fallout IP to so many of us who love the franchise. You deserve all of the good things, my friend.
The show certainly had a very high production quality, and in many ways they were respectful to the games.
What makes me really sad is not the confusing dates regarding the destruction of Shady Sands, but rather the choice to Destroy Shady Sands.
For Fallout 1, 2, and even New Vegas, Shady Sands is the reference point for how humanity is doing in terms of rebuilding. For me, I have a real soft spot for Shady Sands since it’s the first place you discover in Fallout 1, and they’re struggling. But by Fallout 2 they have paved streets and they’re doing great.
I think Bethesda isn’t interested in doing any rebuilding in the Fallout Universe. Throughout all their games, their settings find some way to be a permanent wasteland. And in destroying Shady Sands, they’ve effectively made California just the same bland wasteland in like in all of Bethesda’s other stuff.
They could’ve just as easily set the show anywhere else and destroyed any other town, and it makes me really sad that they did it to Shady Sands.
Tim Cain should be happy, season 2 was confirmed to be in the works
I couldn’t agree more about exposition, I’m not a fan when they lay it on so thick.
Lately it seems every writer takes the lazy route and relies way too heavily on it.
With a visual medium, it’s so important to show rather than tell, and the ability to expertly convey all relevant information to the audience is what separates talented writers from hacks.
Thanks for helping be apart of something not many fallout fans can’t believe exists
As the dad of Fallout, it would be great if you collaborated with the TV show creators or Bethesda. The tone and the themes would be instantly elevated to new heights !
Hello there! Just wanted to let you know: Bethesda monitored the responses and Todd Howard clarified the timeline a bit in the first after show interview, which I think is really cool.
When asked about this, Howard said, “All I can say is that we’re spinning it a little bit thinner there, but the bomb drops right after the events of New Vegas. That’s when Shady Sands explodes,” clarifying that “The Fall of Shady Sands” is not necessarily about the destruction of a nuke.
tf do they mean about a bomb then? just a small-sized "bomb" enough to destroy an entire city like the capital of the new california republic?
Still makes no sense
Wow, sounds like an important event that would be better shown on-camera, rather than just saying it happened as a justification for shaking the entire setting to be a looter-shooter paradise instead of a political timebomb.
Also "Fall means Decline" is writer's cope and everyone knows it. They botched the dates, because they don't care.
So lazy. The world was almready nuked in 2077. Now they want to reset what was done in f1, f2 and NV so nuke the setting again?
Lol absurd.
@@AKKK1182it makes no sense because the writing is bad.
Thanks for being fun! I loved the show. I enjoyed watching you talk about it. Kudos.
Love ya, Tim! I enjoy hearing you voice your thoughts and opinions.
Also, I just started my first playthrough of Arcanum. Bravo, good sir 👏! I absolutely love the game.
In the last episode, I love how the passcode was 101097 for the release of Fallout 1. It felt like they really tried to honor all of the installments and paid homage to the Interplay games. Thanks again for your thoughts!
Nice touch
Awesome video! This felt like Fallout big time. I loved the subtle easter eggs about the water chip and how it was freaking everyone out when the tech was telling them about it haha. This show really sets the bar very high for future shows and movies revolving around video games.
Would you consider doing a cameo in future seasons of the TV show if the creators would offer it to you?
Maybe together with Leonard as scientists in the background. Or maybe for a oneliner.
I think having them do cameos in the Enclave would be perfect... Part of the masterminds who started all this stuff.
You're not radical as us gamers nor are you naive as David Jaffe.
This video however made me respect you even more because
you're a man with patience.🤝
The idea that vault tech just said that because it was a contingency and it wasn't actually them was my first initial thought when the show revealed that. I'm so glad that I'm finally seeing someone suggest this in a video, even more glad it's you.
"It happened a long time ago and therefore people could be lying or simply be wrong"
is a very good excuse for inconsistency in a franchise lol.
It's also a good way of being true to reality. Our own history is murky and dates aren't totally accurate.
@@ThisisCitrus Yeah, i feel like they also reference this with Maximus. He had no idea the bombs dropped 200 years ago since his only reference is "when I was a kid nukes dropped" and no one taught him that it was the second time. History is probably partially lost or twisted, who knows.
i imagine a lot of things in Fallout's universe are told through word of mouth for the most part, while a few others know more due to being able to read and write - which I'm sure is lacking in a post-apocalyptic setting.
Bro must be so confused when he listens to the legion/NCR and brotherhood in New Vegas. Why are they always contradicting each other!!!
I mean it's also INCREDIBLY common in large frnachises with a lot of lore and it just comes with the territory. Even Lord of the Rings had inconsistencies. As a matter of fact, the Lord of the Rings movies violated some of the stuff in the source material! And, much like the fallout show, those movies were piles of garbage, right?
Still the biggest question is "how did master miss vaults 4 and 31-33 that aren't even hidden under a mountain?"
This and complete lack of supermutants in the area they make the most sense feels wrong to me.
After Fallout 1, the Brotherhood hunted ALL super mutants into near extinction (the ones who survived went east).
@@Scott.webb64 still doesn't answer how the Master missed 3 vaults that's just right near his base?
@@Scott.webb64 What are you talking about? The NCR had laws in place to protect its ghoul and mutant citizens.
@@John1045even then, supermutants were rare by the time of FO2 because most of them either died or fled after the Master died. The largest community of them in California scattered and went east to the Mojave. This was also like 5 decades before the show takes place. Any remaining mutants either died, left, or we just didn't see them. It would make no sense for the place to be crawling with them.
@@f.b.l.9813 He missed them, because they didn't exist in fallout lore, until Todd forced them in.
Just found your channel, thank you for giving us this beautiful franchise
hey tim, i dont know if you are going to read this message but i just wanted to thank you for fallout 1 and 2. As a young kid 20'ish years ago my brother introduced me into fallout 1 and 2. i was just a toddler from south america and fallout games were not patched for spanish readers yet so i was forced to use an english to spanish dictionary to translate 99% of the dialogues and in the process i started to learn a second language and it was thanks to this that in high school I had A+'s in English. i know this aint much but its thanks to the fallout franchise now a days i speak "decent" english.
PS: i'm never going to forget playing fallout 1 with a dictionary on my lap, trying to figure out every single word of dialogue trying to figure out the best outcome for my character (i hated it when townfolks started to attack me because i made them mad lol). Can't thank you enough.
ps2 - related to the tv serie show, i kind of love it, the nuking of shady sands (not so much, there was so much nostalgia for me there), the raiders in ep1 (vault dwellers with their pipboys should have detected their rads the moment the door was open) other than that, it was great. its like a dream come true for people like to watch a tv serie like fallout
Wholesome af.
Love hearing stories like these. Hearing how games impacted people’s lives and their memories of them. Great story.
The "nuking of shady sands" doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme, the show is a continuation of the story and lore of the games and not everything stays the same always in life. They're not gonna ever go back to that story and rehash the original games, thing always change which isn't always a bad thing and plus we don't know the whole story yet and that's whats fun about experiencing the show as a continuation of this IP 👍 other than that nice comment bro 👍
I love this.
SPOILER ALERT!
According to an interview with Todd Howard for IGN, the date of The Fall of Shady Sands (2077) is NOT the date the city got nuked, those are two separate events. He also mentioned that everything that happened in Fallout New Vegas DID happen and nothing was retconned, also stating that those bombs fell shortly after events of New Vegas.