The threatening nature of ... Rap music? | Charis Kubrin | TEDxOrangeCoast
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. Charis Kubrin, a renown specialist in criminology and law, shares with passion and mastery a story of Rap on trial that elucidates the fundamental issues our society faces in relation to freedom of speech, liberty, equality and justice.
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Charis E. Kubrin, Professor of Criminology, Law and Society at the University of California, Irvine researches and teaches about crime and justice. In addition to publishing five books and dozens of journal articles, she is a frequent media contributor whose writing has been featured in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Forbes, CNN.com, Seattle Post Intelligencer, OC Register, and American Banker.
She has received many awards including the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar Award from the American Society of Criminology, a national award given to recognize “outstanding scholarly contributions to the discipline of criminology.”
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I read the title & came straight to the comments lol
Same 💀😂
Same here lol
Wanted to know the 300+ people that didn’t like it and if they left comment
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Same.
Nobody prosecuted Pink Floyd for hate crimes when they made In The Flesh.
I'm not saying that they should be accused of hate crimes dumb ass. I'm not coming for your free speach
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forget about PF, have you read Cannibal Corpse's lyrics.. I don't see nobody trying to shackle them down!
TheGodEmperorofMankind hella anti-blackness
I agree with her on most of what she says, but....... the more violent or misogynistic a rap means doesn't mean anything, just means the rapper is more basic.
exactly
She didn't say it was BETTER. She said it would sell better. And empirically speaking, she's right. Sadly.
+Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot true .. but lyrical rappers are just as prevalent
Magpie Smyth | Exactly, but the surface is all they see. Searching you can find amazing things. But I do believe this is a big difference between rap and hip hop.
Magpie Smyth What type of mcee / rapper do you listen too?
Why is everyone commenting stuff that makes it look like she was against rap when really she was supporting and standing up for it. Most of these people probably didn’t even watch the video
Because they only read the title and didn't watch the video.
Who is saying that
@@subwaytacoman *everyone*
The lyrics she cited, though offensive, misogynistic and degrading to women, are not worthy of jail time.
Tell that to the white supremacists in law enforcement.
@@froggodoggo79 how is the law enforcement white supreme cist, you reakonthey would have let a white boy off when they found the note?
@@te1327
😂😂😂
So simplistic bro.
Unless he committed a crime..doesnt help his case.
Johnny Red what would you be saying about law enforcement if they’d let him go and then he shot up a school? Free speech does not mean you can say anything at all.
this woman should testify for bobby shmurda since he was also charged with the prosecutor and police saying that his song lyrics are autobiographical. #FreeShmurda
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+Matt Matey but she failed to defend her client. man got 5 years in jail.
True that, I hate her
C OG well maybe it would turn out different for bobby.. who knows
Benisjamin55 she couldn't really do much in all honesty. Her in depth research was followed after the sentencing. So maybe she might actually be able to help shmurda. It wasnt her fault that the jury was full of racist and stereotypical cunts.
It's still kinda wild that the biggest defense of rap is that these rappers be faking it
Jarron Williams most of them now r faking it.
Most of them are kind of like ex-gang bangers now. They made it out the hood, so despite not doing it no more, they mostly just stick with the type of songs and styles that made them blow up because it sells
@@playboi_caid8301 So despite not committing crimes they still brag about committing crimes. Lmao ok.
@@playboi_caid8301 I love rap. I hate gangster rap. Especially new age gangster rap ugh
Trying to defend the indefensible.
crazy video! Going into it thought she was gonna talk bad about rap. Just thought that because she was white. Shows how we all have racism inside us. Even when we don't mean it. Great talk!!!
Tyson Delacy Not Racism..
its not racist it's supposed to grab you like that
Skyrim cause that's your fear don't place it on us
Tyson Delacy Or because thats exactly how its been treated since it came out
This doesnt show that we all have racism inside, just you
Articulately presented and clear/concise. The only hope of progress this country has is having people like you share logical, intelligent, and unbiased trains of thought. Your work is infinitely appreciated.
Business Scrub Thanks so much for the kind words...much appreciated (especially in light of all the hate mail I get in doing this work).
Not a problem. Keep doing what you do
Charis Kubrin So what makes u talk about this?
What do you do though when people share unbiased, intelligent logic in a country where the ruling people make all their decisions on fearful emotions, like in this video?
I used to believe that logic would eventually win the day.
It’s 2022 now and now we know it’s way deeper than a mental adjustment based on logical deduction.
So all those 60's-80's groups that had songs about underage girls and cocaine? Wait actually I think most them were living that life.
Still you can't just make assumptions, but most people no matter rich or poor have such ignorant views especially when in a group.
Excellent talk! Very useful to point out the covert racism that our society, specifically the socio-legal system continuously uses, yet ignores. My only point of criticism is regarding the notion that with rap "the more violent, and misogynistic the better", I think this is only true for mainstream rap. That is the rap that reaches the masses, which is through record companies, largely owned by older, white, males. There is rap out there that challenges stereotypes and misogyny. However, these artists are probably less likely to receive million dollar contracts, unless they change their music to fit what the companies want.
Becky Hayes I love this comment, as an underground hip hop artists because my biggest thing is not to be a stereotypical style mcee, even though I have some songs that are different, however lyrical and the message is important. Thankful I'm not a fake gangster nor a thug, grew up from that childish mess.
So the one thing you criticized you actually agree with?🤔
True
she a sister from he hood....
deharleyva bro your damn af lmao.
Just
She got them thick thighs!
@@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001 :???
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This was a surprisingly good TED Talk. I think some of the comments below show that people aren't watching the video. She uncovered some very thought provoking content.
Everything this woman argued is 100% true. The hard part is what do you do when you shoot a music video with lyrics like this and the artist is arrested 2 weeks later for first degree murder (like we have). And when kids are dying by the dozens from violence in your city (Chicago). How are you supposed to think then?
so what about the children dying in our schools by the 100s because of gun violence, what i am suppose to think? I am so tired of people using Chicago as so some sort of example?
ELEVATOR dont use chicago and dont act like white ppl dont play a role in this
so true
Aint no kids dying by the 100s cause of school shootings..
Yeah because of poverty and low income jobs plus high living expense = survival, and what do people who are broke tend to do to survive? Illegal activity, yeah some make it out with sheer will but some are stuck in a vicious cycle that's been going long and hard since the 80s
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS MANY DIFFERENT SUB-GENRES OF RAP❗️
Joel Gutierrez this has nothing to do with anything watch the video
EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS MANY DIFFERENT DON’T of CARE
underground is best
A rap music scholar
Hearing that made me wheeze
Wish I could upvote you more.
Hi all, for those interested, here is a transcript of the talk with annotations by Law Genius: law.genius.com/Charis-e-kubrin-rap-on-trial-transcript-of-tedx-orange-coast-talk-annotated
depends who and what you listen to
Fortnite is more dangerous than rap music on kids.
Dang free speech is free speech! It should be defended! I got in trouble once for drawing a gun in school. I got pulled aside and asked questions by the school counselor with the campus cop in the room and I was just thinking about James Bond when I drew it, no bad intentions lol.Bringing race into the picture gives you the disadvantage though. I remember ICP the rap group got really big for a year in my neighborhood and my parents worrying about it lol. It's not about racism. Rap is the most prominent right now so of course it's going to trump other genres in the stats. I definitely think you should have won the case but much of the research you mentioned focused on the race card where we lost steam on the right to speech. Honestly there will always be racists! I hope that there will always be good hip hop though! If theres no freedom of speech than technically we couldn't have either. Again though, awesome talk. Made me think... Thank you
Freedom of Speech doesn't extent to violent threats. If you say you are going to harm someone that is a verbal assault. That's against the law. A crime.
Lol, I thought you meant drew a gun as in took it out of a holster in the hallway.
Lucas Levon lyrics are lyrics how do you know it’s a actual threat or just entertainment ? Music is apart of the entertainment industry after all (;
Jacob Gooch who are the dominant participants of rap and what are its cultural roots?
Jacob Gooch this scenario u went thru is ridiculous but ultimately they wanna keep u seperated. And u got profiled in class because the active shooter tends to look like u
Which is 1000% moronic and backwards
Fantastic talk. One of the better TED talks i've seen.
TEDx talk. TED probably wouldn't deal with this subject.
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Knowledge not Violence .
Life Stories not Glorification .
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My brother also hates hip-hop. He's right.
Is he now..
You say also like she was talking bad about rap.
What that guy wrote is not okay, end of.
Let them booty cheeks hop?
Sorry but even if this is supposedly an art form, it has degenerated the literacy and moral judgment of kids and teenagers for decades now. People think rhyming on a beat is new.
Teach kids these days to play an instrument, or poetry, not rap.
Idolizing ghetto culture is getting people killed and abused. Did jazz ever do that? Or blues? Did heavy metal go that far?
In 2022 rap music has become culture materialism and reality devoted to stupidity. 🥤🐑
Bruh no one deserves 5 years of jail for that
Also it seems like you have no idea what rap is
plot twist: ottowole is really wale
NandoBeats plot twist: is really my 1st Mate
A piece of paper tucked in a book is a terroristic threat?
6 years ago I may have agreed with her but today... The music especially gangsta rap has a different kind of ring to it and they are dying by these lyrics and the youth are agressively trying to mimic these words! This generation of music and the young brothers are different breed! That's my 2 cents.. Peace
Hip hop saved my life. Eminem especially. I thought this was gonna be one of those people who bashes hip hop...pleasantly surprised
Much Respect for Her ✊✊✊
I don't understand how people can defend rappers and the music genre in general. They want to brag about being violent, murderous, misogynistic, criminals and then want to cry when that's what they are treated like.
Same thing as dark humor. The bad is a front for entertainment not an honest lecture.
Like humans mimicking animals they think look cool, they're *trying to look cool* not condoning it.
Dark humor isn't encouraging kids to commit acts of violence, promoting ignorance and a hatred for civil society. And if you consider someone bragging about killing someone over drugs or shoes art then maybe you're the one that needs to reassess their values
So you're trying to use the 1% to defend an entire genre that gained its popularity promoting ignorance, violence, and a hatred for the very same society they're trying to exploit? All they're doing is selling excuses for failure.
@@kevindavid1385 lmao moron they never asked you to kill anyone
One of the best TED talks
Azaan Barlas agreed
TED talk should do the same for movies and other genres of music
As I said, Republicans and their allies in academia stopped criticising violence in white music in the 1990s around the time of the Republican Revolution. The same is true of movies, if to a lesser degree perhaps. The goal was to attract poor whites who were extremely resentful of blacks possessing even basic political and other rights (as far back as the Fifteenth Amendment) but who nonetheless disliked the economic policies of the Reagan and Bush Senior administrations. That this policy has been a resounding success for the Republicans there can be no doubt, because it has allowed them to pursue extreme right-wing policies for over a quarter of a century and at the same time solidify their base on a basis of racial fear.
Emotions trump logic....every time...amen
Anthony Thomas don’t put Logic and Trump in the same sentence again!! 😂
What
Misogyny is misogyny. Misandry is misandry. It doesn't matter if it is never spoken or acted on. If you feel compelled to be violent towards someone, there is something wrong with you. It is not ok or justified to be violent or aggressive towards another person or group of people. Hate speech is hate speech. I don't care if it has a nice melody or beat attached to it. We excuse people's violence way too much.
So false. Words can hurt.
shawty is thick tho.
U blind vro?
Benjamin Yu are you cause she is
Watch the video before judging
Seems like these comments either have people in strong support or poised rejection of her arguments. The critics seem to be trying to pick apart her argument by choosing one thing she said that they didn't exactly like, whereas the supporters aren't discussing or contributing relevant arguments/information, but simply stating support.
sorry i listened right to the end and it was good well done for being there for them
Thanks for sharing.
Making America great again.
rap has lowered people into an animalistic state. rap is cancer of the world
The IORNY of what she is definitely bringing to light is evident in the FACT that Ice T aka "Cop Killer" has been playing Detective Finn on "Law and Order" for as long as one can remember 😀
Also country is usually seen as fictional and rap is seen as autobiographical
True.
Moreover, heavy metal is usually seen as even more fictional than country. I have never noticed anything that could potentially be viewed as autobiographical in heavy metal songs - indeed heavy metal has drawn massively from fantasy literature ever since its beginnings in the early 1970s. That may mean that conservative rap critics, if they do notice violence in heavy metal lyrics, see it as a form of fantasy, or a depiction thereof.
100 percent spot on. All the negativity is coming from the people who have been sub consciously destroyed by rap music. Period end of story
Great comedy, killed me at 13:22
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Also yeah this is really true, show this to your friends who say racism is dead.
yea its not hip hop its the people, its just a genre with many subgenres its just the legends in hip hop tell stories and peotry with emotion that shits on rock even though i started with rock
I'm soooo sick of gangster rap
I always know the title is to just get you to watch when it's a ted talk
This is a truly good hearted lady! Salute for adding my article to this at 9:48 she and a handful of people with a voice listened to my story and actually understood the injustice which means the world! Charis Kubrin for president! Anyone interested just google Avalanche The Architect and the stories of my matter should appear on the first page and my documentary will be on netflix in May
We need more talks like this and more people like Charis. We go to galleries and pay millions for the art of Dali and Goya. The homes of horror films scriptwriters are not searched by police. But the people of color, especially young men, and especially those who aspired to be rappers are viewed as thugs. She is right, until we acknowledge that the racism is alive and rampant in the good old USA, we won't be able to move forward as ONE nation, in liberty and justice for all.
The title is clickbait, this woman is speaking well of rap
Music, video games and movies DO NOT make people violent. Proven time and again, violent people gravitate to aggressive media because it resonates with them better. Do people listen to Taylor swift and play super Mario when they're enraged? Media can show you aggressive actions, but they CANNOT pass aggression on to you. The people who listen to aggressive music and do violent things are generally toughened people who already have a violent history, mental problems, or have been pushed to the edge by circumstances.
I’m white, a student, and enjoy rap, but not a wanna be rapper...
So if gangster rap has no influence on criminal behavior, what music is listened to before a drive by? I doubt it's Luther Vandross or Frankie Beverly. Images and music feed our eyes and ears just like food feeds our belly.
I Rap, but I disagree, what she is saying is that I can threaten you since i am rhyming its ok?
Not even for authors/film producers, hmmm. No surprise.
This poor lady lives in an ideal world in her head...god bless her
Great lecture! And thanks for posting the Avalanche The Architect story in the slide show! keep up the great work.
Thanks Avalanche!
Charis Kubrin No problem! :-)
That was absolutely incredible, professor.
Rosalinda Rodriguez please tell her I would like to speak with her. I'm the person she is discussing in this talk
I agree and disagree, there are actual statistics that link negative behavior to rap music, most of it is filth, and there is a general difference between the way it effects different CULTURES, if you only have one parent in the home you are most likely to be negatively affected by it, in my personal experience it seems as if some cultures view it as a proper lifestyle while others look at it for what it is, JUST ENTERTAINMENT
So rap music causes violence but not rock music and violent video games?
Having fear of being terrorized does not excuse the terror you promulgate.
people have to realise that the rap they here today is night rap its club rap ex talking about drinking, fucking bitches, just house music having fun drinking wanting to fucking bitches and so on because it's fun to dance to, but real rap is talking about the corruption of the world, school, love, real world problem's, and so on
This is exactly the question I was asking a group of young incarcerated men. I asked them to explain why I (an old white lady) should not be scared by the hip-hop and gangster rap lyrics. I was preparing a class session for them and found this video. I will use it...but I don't know what conclusions we will draw from the predominantly rural, white and poor young guys who are listening to this kind of music. :-)
Andrea Wittwer good music is good music. Humans hear sound BEFORE you hear lyrics.
thats the irony of the trump voter, is it not??? they glorify rap music, yet vote for the politicians who jail the actual creators of the genre. .ITs like Kid Rock.. He spent years making money off of hip hop as a rap artist, and now in his middle age, he is one of trumps most cultish cult members. PAthetic.
@@raidermaxx2324 What they glorify is heavy metal, which is equally violent as rap, and which in its early years was undoubtedly politically radical like rap.
@@guodade2239 wait, who glorifies heavy metal? also, heavy metal was politically radical?? hardly. Sure, you have the Sepulturas, the Rage Against the Machines, the "one Minute of Silences, but as a definition of a genre, " politically radical" it was not. And i lived it.
People can be mad if they want. Most rap music is dark now. It’s sad the effect it is having on young people. I appreciate her attempt to defend however gangster rap needs to be censored.
Rap is subliminal programming. If you look into it and listen to the lyrics there is a lot of threats. Subliminal war? Fined out for yourself.
Who controls rap?
*find
FFS. 🤷🏻♀️😩🤣
@@ashotofmercury oh well.
Not all rap is the same. There is so much more to rap she just wants to demonize it. I dont think she does a good job at trying to defend other rap.
She acts like her research taught her “don’t judge a book by its cover” with the whole “years of research told me you can’t take things at face value”.
emotions triumph logic every time.
Why violent words?
Rap sucks it's so bad rap has a bad message it's really disappointing that kids are listening to rap these days because rap is all about drugs and cursing and hurting other people rap is very profane and violent it's really bad I hate it
bruh, have you listen to rock? its not any better message wise
what rap have you listened to ?there is more to hiphop then just gangsta rap
The stereotypical level of ignorance in this comment doesn't suprise me one bit........i bet you've never purchased a concious hip hop album in your entire life. Smh the fact that a random musician has more power over a child than their mother/father puts the parents in a way higher tier of accountability in my opinion. 🤷🏽♂️
Wonderful speech
A rap music scholar, rap ain’t teaching anyone anything they don’t already know about! So when it’s art imitating life anyone can grasp it but when life imitates art only the artist knows what he was trying to say the rest is open to interpretation
She can get it!!
i am putting this cmnt 7 years later and i would lika to thank this awesome beautiful lady and wath she said was all true to the point even tho the producers cut some things in between
13:23 my nigga with the Google Glass back in '14
This is the type of lady to walk into a Discount Tire as say, “I know for a fact they were yelling SKANK at me when I walked in and it’s very rude to treat customers that way and I don’t know if it was directed at me but it was very rude.”
Rap isnt misogynistic though, if you actually listened to it you would understand that.
Klown Beats yes it is
"yes it is" nice argument
It's not necessarily misogynistic, but it often is
I love how nobody here backs up their arguments. Opinions are worthless without evidence.
@@somekid7 Can you provide some evidence for that please? I disagree.
Continue the fight for this great cause. Excellent speech
Thanks!
Metal dudes are some of the best people I have met. You won't find a bad guy there.
yeah sure buddy
Idk if u being sarcastic or not 😂😂
There's some great rap dudes to.
Yeah man, metalheads are all about that music. It's true.
Ok.
"I think, therefore I am" -Rene Descartes
Sadly, she's not even wrong lol. Anyways, at least we got plenty of good albums still coming out.
ima rapper and i like this woman so far. 9:10 in. thought i would hate her when i saw the title lol
I'm not for sending men to prison but I'm not for men using all means to make their situation better. Rap has caused so many deaths and addictions. As well as ruined relationships and our morals over Money. It's gave up on the modest working man and handed all the focus to criminals.
You really believe that?
God Bless Your Soul.
One nation (she skips under God)
Why they change the tittle?
I don't even care if it sounds good. If it's rap music, I just don't listen to it. I saw what it did to my friends, who were innocent and clear-headed, at one point.
It's sad that you weren't informed enough to introduce your friends to more thought provoking or meaningful rap lyrics due to pure ignorance & their parents were such poor leaders for them to the point where a random musician could have more power..........sad.
Keep blaming rappers for your own actions 🤷🏽♂️
@@DuckDodgers345 That's a good point
I tried not to cringe
Why cringe 😒😩
Koron Redding your comment is cringy
This about music not about colour.
Also it the words that still threatening by nature so does not help the listen.
your talk should be colour not rap
She damn near got cake
Hang on, those people convicted in the 'rap cases' did commit crimes, didn't they? I really can't imagine you can be convicted just for writing lyrics if there is absolutely no further evidence. Why where they in court in the first place? And could it be that many people are less suspicious of other genres of music because country and metal artists actually do commit fewer crimes?
I think that she pulls the race card a bit too much throughout her points don’t get me wrong he shouldn’t of been charged but it does look like she is a very far leftist but racism is a problem but she exaggerates a lot so hate comments can be left below
I love rap music. Music is not a crime.
2021 anyone
Your name says it
So many people commenting before watching the whole video
rap is one of my favorite genres of music but i dont like the things that modern rappers promote. Why does it always have to be about drugs and murder/
9 9 i listen to rap. But mostly r&b
you don’t like rap. You like that kick on the 1 and the 4 and the snare on the 2 drum pattern.
Listen to people like Vince Staples, Joey Bada$$, Logic, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, Earl sweatshirt, Tyler the creator, and some uk artists like santan Dave and Wretch 32
Because that’s the culture… If you don’t like it try listening to pop
ItzPrincess Esmeralda rap is pop as well. So I don’t think you understand my point
Very good speech.
this is cool
Even though he is white, this video makes me think about Eminem's song criminal.
saw the thumbnail. came for the comments
Watching this just weeks after the arrest of Young Thug and YSL and it is ALARMING how much worse it’s gotten
Read the Title, clicked on it and then scrolled down straight to the comments.
Oh my gosh.
Stables of gangsta rap. Your analysis is so off. You have provided no real context or history. Your research provides no talks of environment or community that pioneer artists have endured. Race always has a factor but the defendant wasn’t bright at all. You needed to address so much more. So disappointed the way you approached this so serious and the follow through was lacking. The other cases just show the injustice for African Americans.